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#80
by
William Graham
on 15 Mar, 2008 00:28
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#81
by
YzeStudent
on 15 Mar, 2008 00:39
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Ups… Seems to be problem at 2nd burn.
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#82
by
jaythehokie
on 15 Mar, 2008 00:43
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was it just me or did I see a flash of lightning in the background at around T- 38 seconds?
I don't know if that has anything to do with this problem that seems to have cropped up with the second firing of the upper stage.
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#83
by
eeergo
on 15 Mar, 2008 00:47
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YzeStudent - 15/3/2008 2:39 AMUps… Seems to be problem at 2nd burn.
Any more details?
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#84
by
Jester
on 15 Mar, 2008 00:48
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where did you see the lightning?, I just got back from the launch site and didnt see any lighting.....
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#85
by
WHAP
on 15 Mar, 2008 01:20
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Any more info? It's been a while since you guys alluded to a problem....
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#86
by
jaythehokie
on 15 Mar, 2008 01:46
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what I thought was a flash of lightning was back behind the rocket in the distance... just above and to the right of the nose cone of the Breeze-M.
As far as the problem that's being alluded to... I don't have any info about it... I may have been giving the previous post to mine more credence than it may have been due...
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#87
by
Nick L.
on 15 Mar, 2008 03:24
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#88
by
Chris Bergin
on 15 Mar, 2008 03:57
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Just seen that too. That's a real blow.
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#89
by
.gif
on 15 Mar, 2008 03:58
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this sucks. i subscribe to Dish Network.
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#90
by
Ford Mustang
on 15 Mar, 2008 04:02
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Ouch. That's gotta hurt, quite frankly!
So close yet so far.
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#91
by
edkyle99
on 15 Mar, 2008 04:50
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Nick L. - 14/3/2008 11:24 PM
LAUNCH FAILURE! Occurred during second Breeze-M burn.
http://www.ilslaunch.com/news-031408/
That was the third Proton M/Briz M failure in 22 flights, and the 5th ILS Proton mission failure in 45 flights since the first in 1996.
For several years, Proton could boast the highest reliability among commercial GTO launch vehicles. This is no longer true. Proton has now fallen firmly behind Ariane 5, Zenit 3SL, H-2A, Atlas 5, and the CZ-3 series in terms of demonstrated reliability. At some point, the failures will start costing Krunichev and ILS customers.
- Ed Kyle
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#92
by
Jirka Dlouhy
on 15 Mar, 2008 05:06
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It looks like 2006 february when similar glitch kill Arabsat 4-1
2006-006A 2006 02.28. Arabsat 4-1 Proton-M/Briz-M 3340 BAJ SAR telecommunication EA 51,53 274,07 506 14691 23,248 D 2006 03.24. Arabsat Astrium Khrunichev, Moscow failure of Briz-M, E2000+
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#93
by
edkyle99
on 15 Mar, 2008 05:59
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The Briz M stage, presumably bound for an unplanned reentry from a 51.5 deg inclined orbit, could have more than 16 tonnes of toxic hypergolic propellant still aboard.
USA-193, the satellite that everyone made such a fuss over, had 0.453 tonnes (perhaps 1/35th as much propellant).
- Ed Kyle
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#94
by
Skyrocket
on 15 Mar, 2008 06:35
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edkyle99 - 15/3/2008 8:59 AM
The Briz M stage, presumably bound for an unplanned reentry from a 51.5 deg inclined orbit, could have more than 16 tonnes of toxic hypergolic propellant still aboard.
USA-193, the satellite that everyone made such a fuss over, had 0.453 tonnes (perhaps 1/35th as much propellant).
- Ed Kyle
But it is not (yet) frozen. And the tanks are not protected inside the satellite structure, which might prevent it from freezing.
Probably the perigee is low enough to ensure a rapid decay. Does anyone have the parameters of the orbit reached?
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#95
by
edkyle99
on 15 Mar, 2008 06:40
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Skyrocket - 15/3/2008 2:35 AM
edkyle99 - 15/3/2008 8:59 AM
The Briz M stage, presumably bound for an unplanned reentry from a 51.5 deg inclined orbit, could have more than 16 tonnes of toxic hypergolic propellant still aboard.
USA-193, the satellite that everyone made such a fuss over, had 0.453 tonnes (perhaps 1/35th as much propellant).
- Ed Kyle
But it is not (yet) frozen. And the tanks are not protected inside the satellite structure, which might prevent it from freezing.
Probably the perigee is low enough to ensure a rapid decay. Does anyone have the parameters of the orbit reached?
The parking orbit was supposed to be 173 km x 51.5 deg. It isn't clear to me if the Briz M stage managed to perform any of its second burn or not.
- Ed Kyle
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#96
by
Satori
on 15 Mar, 2008 06:59
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Satori - 14/3/2008 7:08 PM
According to my records this was the:
- 2800th successful orbital launch for Russia;
- 1204th successful orbital launch from Baykonur;
- 4554th successful orbital launch since Sputnik-1...
...damn! It reached orbit, but not successfuly... so much for statistics!
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#97
by
Damon Hill
on 15 Mar, 2008 07:04
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Reaching orbit, but not being able to deliver the payload to an orbit from which it might recover, seems like a complete launch failure.
The core Proton launch vehicle has been pretty solid (so to speak), but the upper stages aren't. It will be interesting to see what the failure analysis turns up.
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#98
by
jacqmans
on 15 Mar, 2008 08:04
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#99
by
jacqmans
on 15 Mar, 2008 08:06
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15.03.2008 communication for THE MEDIA about the automatic spacecraft "AMS -14"
http://www.roscosmos.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=3032On 15 March 2 hours 18 minutes 55 seconds Moscow time from the spaceport Baikonur was realized the commercial launch of space rocket "Proton-m" (production GKNPTS im. M.V.Khrunicheva) with the American telecommunication automatic spacecraft "AMS -14".
V of 2 hours 28 minutes 41 second (msk) space head part in the composition of the starting of the unit "Breeze- M" and of automatic spacecraft AMS -14 successfully was separated from the third step RN "Proton-m" and continued autonomous flight along the suborbital trajectory. All steps of carrier rocket fell in the assigned regions. Thus, carrier rocket worked out in the normal mode.
the Pervoye start of starting block occurred regularly. As a result head block was brought out in reference orbit with the parameters, close to the calculated. With the second start starting block "Breeze- M", after working out 32 minutes, was turned off earlier than the established period for 2 minutes of 13 seconds.
Kosmicheskiy apparatus "AMS -14" was separated from the starting block, we govern, but it find in orbit with the parameters of 28 thousand kilometers (instead of the required (calculated) 36 thousand km further solution by it will be accepted by customer - American corporation "SES AMERICOM, Inc" (USA). Is formed interdepartmental commission for the analysis of causes of the premature engine cutoff of starting block.
The Press- service Of roskosmosa
Occurred during second Breeze-M burn.