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#560 by Michael Cassutt on 09 Feb, 2008 22:59
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landofgrey - 10/2/2008 4:51 PM
There was some confusion about Reiter. He does come from ESA and is an ESA astronaut. However, for Expedition 14, he was actually contracted to NASA and was considered to be a NASA ISS Expedition crewmember. Eyharts is the first that ESA has specifically. Each partner in ISS has a certain number of slots they can use for their own astro/cosmonauts. Quotas, as it were. Eyharts is the first one of ESA's allotment. Since Reiter was under NASA, his spot counted against NASA's quota (i.e. he took up a spot that a NASA astronaut could have had instead) and not ESA's. That was, I believe, part of a barter deal NASA had with ESA where ESA provided NASA something (I don't recall what at the moment but I think it was with Italy, maybe partly for Node 3?) and NASA "paid" for it by manifesting one of their guys instead of a NASA astronaut.
Sorry for the slightly off-topic clarification
This VTR playback kicks that word that Peggy didn't say but sounded like she did. I enjoy the video from shuttle more because most of the time all we get is the Destiny camera.
I'll be happy to drop it, too, but an ESA announcement in April 2005 stated that Reiter was actually taking the place of a Russian cosmonaut, not a NASA astronaut.
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#561 by madmardy on 09 Feb, 2008 22:59
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I just want to make a few points
1) there is no such thing as HD audio, do you really mean Audio which is coming from the camera that you are calling the HD cam? as this is technically worse quality than normal MiniDV/DVCAM due to the inadequate mpeg compression involved.
2) are you sure the camera is HD? as the aspect ratio does not match HD and the deck in view on the station is not capable of playing HD video.
although it could be a deck out of view or they are using the camera to downlink
but either way if it is HD then its defiantly being cropped somewhere.
Same goes for shuttle side, the decks you see in view on the aft flight deck are not capable of HD playback
Of course they could be HD cams being used in SD mode which would negate the compatability problems and improve quality over whats previously been seen
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#562 by Ford Mustang on 09 Feb, 2008 23:03
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The camera had to have been HD, because MCC-H said "Getting good audio and video from the HD cam" earlier in the day.
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#563 by landofgrey on 09 Feb, 2008 23:04
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You may be right. However, someone from ESA I asked on launch day said explicitly that Reiter was under contract to NASA. It's possible that Reiter was under contract to NASA but took up a Russian seat. It depends on what kind of arrangement there was. But, honestly, it's not something I actually paid much attention to outside of what I've needed to know (it's fringe to what I have to write about), so I'll defer to your knowledge. I do recall it was part of a barter deal, which would make sense considering the Russians and Europeans worked together to develop various things such as the ATV (Russian docking port).Quote
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I'll be happy to drop it, too, but an ESA announcement in April 2005 stated that Reiter was actually taking the place of a Russian cosmonaut, not a NASA astronaut.
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#564 by Avron on 09 Feb, 2008 23:06
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Also out of interest what kind of speed transfer do they get over KU
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#565 by landofgrey on 09 Feb, 2008 23:09
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Good points. I think it's an HD camera. NASA is putting HD cameras on the station. It's not that the audio is better quality, only that it's unfiltered from the normal downlink comm channels (you get ambient noise too).
Watching on the web, it might not look HD (aspect ratio) because of the streaming NASA does. Even on an HD television, it (I don't think) might not look like it's from an HD camera. It depends on if it's processed in HD format for broadcast, and it may not be even though NASA TV is available in HD now. It could be formatted for NTSC broadcast.
And all of the above... I don't know, just guessing really. If I remember, I'll ask one of the NASA TV guys becasue I'm curious now.Quotemadmardy - 9/2/2008 6:59 PM
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#566 by ntschke on 09 Feb, 2008 23:10
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erioladastra - 9/2/2008 5:32 PM "I don't wish to speculate but before this thread gets too off topic, the concern would most likely be that the affected crewmember has bouts of SAS and then he feels fine unless he moves rapidly." Not corect and why it is not good to speculate.
Well, apparently you know more than most. But whats the point of telling people not to speculate if you know you can't say otherwise?
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#567 by Ford Mustang on 09 Feb, 2008 23:12
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SSRMS poised over the payload bay:
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#568 by Avron on 09 Feb, 2008 23:15
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Quoteerioladastra - 9/2/2008 5:32 PM "I don't wish to speculate but before this thread gets too off topic, the concern would most likely be that the affected crewmember has bouts of SAS and then he feels fine unless he moves rapidly." Not corect and why it is not good to speculate.
Well, apparently you know more than most. But whats the point of telling people not to speculate if you know you can't say otherwise?
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#569 by Ford Mustang on 09 Feb, 2008 23:23
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Very pretty image!
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#570 by sts1canada on 09 Feb, 2008 23:30
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Great images today Ford! You are getting some great shots today!
Richard
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#571 by mtakala24 on 09 Feb, 2008 23:33
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madmardy - 10/2/2008 1:59 AM
I just want to make a few points
1) there is no such thing as HD audio, do you really mean Audio which is coming from the camera that you are calling the HD cam? as this is technically worse quality than normal MiniDV/DVCAM due to the inadequate mpeg compression involved.
Exatcly the same point that I had in mind. There is no HD audio. Close to that would be some kind of multichannel audio, with selectable "with PAO/mute PAO" channels
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#572 by sts1canada on 09 Feb, 2008 23:42
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A new revision to the NASA TV schedule will be available in about a 1/2 hour according to NASA PAO, it will be revision B and it will ONLY cover tomorrow's FD 4 activities. Another revision, rev. C that will cover the rest of the mission will be available sometime tomorrow.
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#573 by Ford Mustang on 09 Feb, 2008 23:44
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NASA TV now playing a crew introduction video:
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#574 by Ford Mustang on 09 Feb, 2008 23:45
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#575 by ntschke on 09 Feb, 2008 23:46
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Quotemadmardy - 10/2/2008 1:59 AM I just want to make a few points 1) there is no such thing as HD audio, do you really mean Audio which is coming from the camera that you are calling the HD cam? as this is technically worse quality than normal MiniDV/DVCAM due to the inadequate mpeg compression involved.
Exatcly the same point that I had in mind. There is no HD audio. Close to that would be some kind of multichannel audio, with selectable "with PAO/mute PAO" channelsIt's not "HD" audio, its just coming from the HD feed. The astronuats, MCC and anyone with who's seen HD will know when it is and isn't HD video. Plain and simple, does the picture look clearer, brighter and more colorful than the grainy almost Apollo-ish video from before? Then its HD, whether or not its down-converted. It will look better on any tv, even streaming on the web. That's clear looking at Ford's images all day long.
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#576 by Ford Mustang on 09 Feb, 2008 23:49
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#577 by ntschke on 09 Feb, 2008 23:52
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Quotentschke - 9/2/2008 7:10 PM
If you look at the safety briefing on L2 you will see he is always at the back of the pack.. could all just be a coincidence ?Quoteerioladastra - 9/2/2008 5:32 PM "I don't wish to speculate but before this thread gets too off topic, the concern would most likely be that the affected crewmember has bouts of SAS and then he feels fine unless he moves rapidly." Not corect and why it is not good to speculate.
Well, apparently you know more than most. But whats the point of telling people not to speculate if you know you can't say otherwise?
Sorry, little lost. WHO is at the back of the pack?
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#578 by landofgrey on 09 Feb, 2008 23:54
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I should have made that point too. I only said it might not "look" like HD because rather than being letterboxed, it may be cropped to 4:3. The quality will still be better.
Has anybody been watching this on an HD TV? I've been stuck in front of a computer all day so haven't been able to (thank god for web streaming)Quotentschke - 9/2/2008 7:46 PM
p>It's not "HD" audio, its just coming from the HD feed. The astronuats, MCC and anyone with who's seen HD will know when it is and isn't HD video. Plain and simple, does the picture look clearer, brighter and more colorful than the grainy almost Apollo-ish video from before? Then its HD, whether or not its down-converted. It will look better on any tv, even streaming on the web. That's clear looking at Ford's images all day long.
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#579 by ntschke on 10 Feb, 2008 00:03
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Yes, I've had it on all day on an HD plasma. Very clear difference between some shots and others. I'm used to seeing HD in a 16:9 ratio. Lots of stations broadcast in that right now as they upgrade to "full" HD. Even though you're not getting the full screen the cropped (or "pillar box") image is still much better.
For example in/near washington, the local NBC station is a much clearer picture-but still cropped. Then for the national NBC nightly news its full HD-widescreen. Both great images compared to any ED broadcast.
The mistake a lot of people make (including me) with a new HD display is to "stretch" any image to fill the screen. Bad idea, burn-in is a long dead issue and if you stretch a cropped HD feed, it will look WORSE than it did in ED.
Now, back to the mission. What can we look forward to tomorrow as far as coverage and preps for the EVA? Is there an revised flight plan out there yet?
Quotelandofgrey - 9/2/2008 7:54 PM I should have made that point too. I only said it might not "look" like HD because rather than being letterboxed, it may be cropped to 4:3. The quality will still be better. Has anybody been watching this on an HD TV? I've been stuck in front of a computer all day so haven't been able to (thank god for web streaming)
Quotentschke - 9/2/2008 7:46 PM p>
It's not "HD" audio, its just coming from the HD feed. The astronuats, MCC and anyone with who's seen HD will know when it is and isn't HD video. Plain and simple, does the picture look clearer, brighter and more colorful than the grainy almost Apollo-ish video from before? Then its HD, whether or not its down-converted. It will look better on any tv, even streaming on the web. That's clear looking at Ford's images all day long.
