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KIBO going to ISS in three sections, plus JAXA ISS crew news
by
Martin FL
on 03 Jan, 2006 01:46
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#1
by
mr.columbus
on 03 Jan, 2006 01:53
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This is correct, Kibo consists of 3 separete parts: 1. the pressurized science lab 2. the exposed facility and 3. the experiment logistic module. According to the updated unofficial launch schedule (
http://www.sworld.com.au/steven/space/shuttle/manifest.txt updated Jan 3, 2006!), parts of Kibo are planned to be delivered Nov 2007, Feb 2008 and Oct 2008.
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#2
by
Jamie Young
on 03 Jan, 2006 02:38
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Damn, that's a lot of station
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#3
by
Mark Max Q
on 03 Jan, 2006 04:20
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What are we getting from the Japanese for spending three Shuttle missions taking their module up?
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#4
by
Jamie Young
on 03 Jan, 2006 05:07
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I've looked at the image again, how will this all go up in three stages?
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#5
by
CuddlyRocket
on 03 Jan, 2006 12:50
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Mark Max Q - 3/1/2006 5:20 AM
What are we getting from the Japanese for spending three Shuttle missions taking their module up?
Use of the modules and attached equipment, and some logistics flights using their equivalent of Russia's Progress or ESA's ATV.
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#6
by
Hotol
on 03 Jan, 2006 13:00
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Anyone got a quick explanation as to the difference between NASDA and JAXA?
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#7
by
anik
on 03 Jan, 2006 13:28
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Hotol - 3/1/2006 5:00 PM
Anyone got a quick explanation as to the difference between NASDA and JAXA?
JAXA is former NASDA!...
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#8
by
Hotol
on 03 Jan, 2006 13:53
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#9
by
anik
on 03 Jan, 2006 14:50
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Jamie Young - 3/1/2006 9:07 AM
how will this all go up in three stages?
Stage 1: STS-124 (ISS-1J/A) - ELM-PS;
Stage 2: STS-125 (ISS-1J) - PM and RMS;
Stage 3: STS-129 (ISS-2J/A) - EF and ELM-ES.
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#10
by
possum
on 17 Jan, 2006 18:00
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Jamie Young - 2/1/2006 9:38 PM
Damn, that's a lot of station
It sure is, and it's a damn shame a lot of it will stay on the ground. The best of possibilities for Shuttle fly-out is 18 Station flights + 1 Hubble servicing. Under this scenario, the PM an RMS will be the only ones going up, worst case is none of it will fly. They delivered the PM module to KSC in spring of '04 when it was supposed to fly in '07, one of the few that delivered on-time. Here's a pic of it in the SSPF.
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#11
by
mr.columbus
on 18 Jan, 2006 01:57
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rmathews3 - 17/1/2006 2:00 PM
Jamie Young - 2/1/2006 9:38 PM
Damn, that's a lot of station
It sure is, and it's a damn shame a lot of it will stay on the ground. The best of possibilities for Shuttle fly-out is 18 Station flights + 1 Hubble servicing. Under this scenario, the PM an RMS will be the only ones going up, worst case is none of it will fly.
The 18-ISS launch manifest that I saw has all parts of KIBO scheduled to be launched. As far as I see it the only way parts of KIBO will stay on the groud forever is when Shuttle flights are cut to below 10-12.
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#12
by
possum
on 18 Jan, 2006 13:43
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mr.columbus - 17/1/2006 8:57 PM
The 18-ISS launch manifest that I saw has all parts of KIBO scheduled to be launched. As far as I see it the only way parts of KIBO will stay on the groud forever is when Shuttle flights are cut to below 10-12.
I was going from memory of a chart I saw from the early ESAS in June timeframe which showed the elements not flying. I found the chart (attached) and it was a 16-flight manifest and the EF was flying, but not the ELM-PS. Next time, I will check my facts first. Here's a link to the article:
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=17990
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#13
by
hornet
on 18 Jan, 2006 22:36
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i think nasa said the outstanding construction on the iss when the shuttle retires will be finshed by the cev. is this true or is this a hopeless dream?
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#14
by
possum
on 18 Jan, 2006 23:07
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hornet - 18/1/2006 5:36 PM
i think nasa said the outstanding construction on the iss when the shuttle retires will be finshed by the cev. is this true or is this a hopeless dream?
Remember, the CEV is just the capsule and service module; the CLV is the "single stick" SRB rocket that will put the CEV into orbit. NASA has said it would be possible to put ISS modules into orbit, but it would require the development of a structural adapter to provide attach points similar to the Shuttle and the development of a "space tug" to manuever the module to the ISS. It is physically possible but not likely to happen.
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#15
by
hornet
on 19 Jan, 2006 02:01
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could the cev not be used as a tug? on a moon mission it would attach to a LEM or something like that why cant a cev attach to a special type of shuttle like attachment that could be used over and over to carry the modules to and from the station
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#16
by
possum
on 19 Jan, 2006 11:12
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hornet - 18/1/2006 9:01 PM
could the cev not be used as a tug? on a moon mission it would attach to a LEM or something like that why cant a cev attach to a special type of shuttle like attachment that could be used over and over to carry the modules to and from the station
I'm only speculating, but the CEV would be designed with the only fuel capacity to operate alone. It would not have the capability to maneuver an additional 30,000 lbs. around on-orbit. The special attachment would add more weight and more money to the development costs as well. Then there's the issue of needing the Shuttle arm in addition to the Station arm to finish some of the ISS construction. What you are suggesting may be possible, but it is not practical or efficient. One of the things that made Shuttle so much more expensive than originally planned was a tremendous amount of add-on requirements for additional capabilities, many of which were never used but added to the cost of development and operations. A space tug is an excellent example of the type of service that a private company could develop and then sell to the space industry, not only NASA but the international community. I would think there is a fairly decent market for being able to maneuver anyone's spacecraft around on orbit for them, just as there is a market for tow trucks here on Earth.
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#17
by
JulesVerneATV
on 19 Jan, 2006 11:41
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JAXA is former NASDA!... 