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#920
by
block51
on 08 Feb, 2013 17:12
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#921
by
Skyrocket
on 08 Feb, 2013 18:59
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Thank you very much, block51!
And rightaway the next question: What has happened to the "Mesquito" mesospheric sounding rocket. Was it cancelled after the troubled first three flights or is it still lingering around?
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#922
by
jcm
on 08 Feb, 2013 20:24
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45 = Oriole ?? (= Terrier Oriole)
47 = Oriole ?? (= Terrier Oriole Nihka)
48 = Oriole ?? (= Talos Terrier Oriole)
49 = Oriole ?? (= Talos Terrier Oriole Nihka)
What are the vehicles with number 43 and 44, which are not present on this diagram?
Per the diagram supplied to me by our vehicles group a few years back
43 = Talos-Tarus-Oriole
44 = Talos-Oriole
Per the poster in our hallway
45 = Oriole II (= Terrier Oriole)
47 = Oriole III-A (= Terrier Oriole Nihka)
48 = Oriole III (= Talos Terrier Oriole)
49 = Oriole IIII (= Talos Terrier Oriole Nihka)
Thanks for this, very useful! Do you actually see these "Oriole III"
type designations used much? (and really, Oriole IIII rather than Oriole IV?) I saw "Oriole XII" used for 49.001 on one of the Poker Flat documents, presumably by analogy to Black Brant XII, but I gather that was unofficial.
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#923
by
Lewis007
on 09 Feb, 2013 06:28
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Here's a video of the VISIONS launch from Poker Flat.
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#924
by
block51
on 11 Feb, 2013 14:35
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Thanks for this, very useful! Do you actually see these "Oriole III"
type designations used much? (and really, Oriole IIII rather than Oriole IV?) I saw "Oriole XII" used for 49.001 on one of the Poker Flat documents, presumably by analogy to Black Brant XII, but I gather that was unofficial.
Given that we've just started launching these vehicles (I think the Rowland launch was the first one that was an operational launch of a more than two stage Oriole based vehicle), I haven't heard any commonly accepted names for these vehicle configurations yet. I think that the "Oriole III", etc designations are what SRPO calls them though. For now, among co-workers, we'd prob just say "such and such mission number" and know what the vehicle is, or actually say "Talos, Terrier, Oriole, Nihka. I think the Talos Terrier Oriole vehicle has been refered to by a few people as a "Tater" (spelling?) because it sounds funny.
No enough launches to know what we are going to actually end up calling it. I suppose we'll end up going with the NASA designations though.
Also, Rowland was supposed to go on a BBXII origionally, but for various reasons it didn't go on one. The Oriole gave it a bit of a higher apogee as I recall.
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#925
by
Skyrocket
on 11 Feb, 2013 14:49
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I think the Talos Terrier Oriole vehicle has been refered to by a few people as a "Tater" (spelling?) because it sounds funny.
There has already been a rocket named "Tater" - a
Talos
Terrier
Recruit - which was flown in the 70ies
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#926
by
block51
on 11 Feb, 2013 14:58
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Ha! Awesome. I'll have to mention this at lunch.
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#927
by
kch
on 11 Feb, 2013 15:13
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#928
by
jcm
on 11 Feb, 2013 19:51
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... (and really, Oriole IIII rather than Oriole IV?) ...
It's not that unusual to see IIII as an alternative to IV:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals#.22IIII.22_on_clocks
True for the example you give and historically more generally,
but for contemporary non-clock usage it's pretty unusual I would say...
of course, NASA and SRPO can do what they like, I was just surprised.
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#929
by
block51
on 12 Feb, 2013 12:16
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Per the diagram supplied to me by our vehicles group a few years back
43 = Talos-Tarus-Oriole
44 = Talos-Oriole
Per the poster in our hallway
45 = Oriole II (= Terrier Oriole)
47 = Oriole III-A (= Terrier Oriole Nihka)
48 = Oriole III (= Talos Terrier Oriole)
49 = Oriole IIII (= Talos Terrier Oriole Nihka)
So, erm, uh... yeah. I had a typo and per the poster in our hallway it should be 49 = Oriole IV, not IIII. Not sure how I let that one slip through.
Sorry!
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#930
by
Lewis007
on 23 Feb, 2013 08:07
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A Terrier-improved-Orion sounding rocket was launched from White Sands on Feb 15.
The flight tested several technologies to improve pointing control and data collection capabilities during suborbital flights. The primary purpose of the mission was to verify the ground based command uplink equipment from when it was recently moved into a new facility at White Sands. The sounding rocket program also took this opportunity to test technology developments, as well as provide an educational experience for students at the White Sands Middle School.
source: Wallops Facebook
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#931
by
jcm
on 01 Mar, 2013 02:01
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Per the diagram supplied to me by our vehicles group a few years back
43 = Talos-Tarus-Oriole
44 = Talos-Oriole
Per the poster in our hallway
45 = Oriole II (= Terrier Oriole)
47 = Oriole III-A (= Terrier Oriole Nihka)
48 = Oriole III (= Talos Terrier Oriole)
49 = Oriole IIII (= Talos Terrier Oriole Nihka)
So, erm, uh... yeah. I had a typo and per the poster in our hallway it should be 49 = Oriole IV, not IIII. Not sure how I let that one slip through.
Sorry!
Thanks! Easily done, that's why I am always a pain in the ass about chasing down anomalies.
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#932
by
jcm
on 01 Mar, 2013 02:08
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Perhaps worth mentioning here that there have been at least 20 Scud launches and 3 Fateh-110 launches in Syria between Dec 10 and Feb 22, launched by the Syrian regime mostly
from An Nasriyah near Damascus towards Aleppo, causing casualties in rebel areas.
The Scuds probably were mildly exoatmospheric over the 300 km range; not sure if the Fateh-110 goes as high.
Also the first flight of the Israeli Arrow 3 exoatmospheric missile defense interceptor was on Feb 25 from Palmachim.
And on Feb 13, a Terrier Oriole ARAV-B was launched from Kauai and intercepted by an Aegis SM-3.
Looking forward to some more NASA scientific launches!
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#933
by
jcm
on 01 Mar, 2013 02:30
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To complete block51's list, here is the full set of NASA sounding rocket code numbers
1 Aerobee 100
2 Arcon
3 Nike Asp
4 Aerobee 150
5 Iris
6 Aerobee 300 (Aerobee-Sparrow)
7 Argo E-5 Jason (not flown)
8 Argo D-4 Javelin (HJ Nike Nike Altair)
9 Skylark
10 Nike Cajun
11 Journeyman (Sergeant-Lance-Lance-Altair)
12 Special Test
13 Nike Aerobee (Aerobee 170)
14 Nike Apache
15 Arcas
16 Astrobee 1500 (Aerojet Jr-Alcor)
17 Aerobee 350 (Nike/AJ60-91)
18 Nike Tomahawk
19 Black Brant IVA
20 Bullpup Cajun
21 Black Brant VB/C
22 Black Brant IIIB
23 Astrobee D
24 M56A1 (A r i e s)
25 Astrobee F
26 Aerobee 200A
27 Nike Black Brant (BB8)
28 Nike Malemute
29 Terrier Malemute
30 Orion
31 Nike Orion
32 Nike Javelin
33 Taurus Orion
34 Taurus Tomahawk
35 Terrer Black Brant Nihka (BB10)
36 Terrier Black Brant (BB 9)
37 Viper 3A
38 Taurus Nike Tomahawk
39 Black Brant XI
40 Black Brant XII
41 Terrier Imp. Orion
42 Terrier Lynx
43 Talos-Taurus-Oriole
44 Talos-Oriole
45 Terrier-Oriole (Oriole II)
46 Terrier-Imp.Malemute
47 Terrier Oriole Nihka (Oriole IIIA)
48 Talos Terrier Oriole (Oriole III)
49 Talos Terrier Oriole Nihka (Oriole IV)
The NASA "12" special test series has included tests using rockets in the above list as well as Aerobee, Nike, Terrier and Taurus booster stages with dummy sustainers, and the Mesquito, Strypi, and Strypi 7AR rockets.
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#934
by
jcm
on 01 Mar, 2013 02:32
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Chris, do you have one of your special autocorrects that stops me typing "Ar i e s"?
Presumably because people usually mean "Ares"? There is an "A ri e s" rocket too and I'd like to be able to mention it! Or even talk about the constellation of that name!
[Edit: Chris says he's removed it - let's see
Aries Aries Aries wheeee!
Aries is the Ram
Ares is the God of War
OK!]
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#935
by
russianhalo117
on 01 Mar, 2013 04:44
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THE FOLLOWING MDA AEGIS BMD TEST LAUNCH OCCURRED ON: 12 Feb 2013: SM-3 Block IA Flight Test Standard Missile-20 (FTM-20)
Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense Intercepts Target Using Space Tracking and Surveillance System-Demonstrators (STSS-D) Data
The Missile Defense Agency (MDA) and U.S. Navy sailors aboard the USS LAKE ERIE (CG 70) successfully conducted a flight test of the Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) system, resulting in the intercept of a medium-range ballistic missile target over the Pacific Ocean by a Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) Block IA guided missile.
At 11:10 p.m. HST (4:10 a.m. EST) a unitary medium-range ballistic missile target was launched from the Pacific Missile Range Facility, on Kauai, Hawaii. The target flew northwest towards a broad ocean area of the Pacific Ocean.
The in-orbit Space Tracking and Surveillance System-Demonstrators (STSS-D) detected and tracked the target, and forwarded track data to the USS LAKE ERIE. The ship, equipped with the second-generation Aegis BMD weapon system, used Launch on Remote doctrine to engage the target.
The ship developed a fire control solution from the STSS-D track and launched the SM-3 Block IA guided missile approximately five minutes after target launch. The SM-3 maneuvered to a point in space and released its kinetic warhead. The kinetic warhead acquired the target reentry vehicle, diverted into its path, and, using only the force of a direct impact, engaged and destroyed the target.
Initial indications are that all components performed as designed. Program officials will assess and evaluate system performance based upon telemetry and other data obtained during the test.
Today's event, designated Flight Test Standard Missile-20 (FTM-20), was a demonstration of the ability of space-based assets to provide mid-course fire control quality data to an Aegis BMD ship, extending the battlespace, providing the ability for longer range intercepts and defense of larger areas.
FTM-20 is the 24th successful intercept in 30 flight test attempts for the Aegis BMD program since flight testing began in 2002. Across all Ballistic Missile Defense System programs, this is the 58th successful hit-to-kill intercept in 73 flight tests since 2001.
Aegis BMD is the sea-based component of the MDA's Ballistic Missile Defense System. The Aegis BMD engagement capability defeats short- to intermediate-range, unitary and separating, midcourse-phase ballistic missile threats with the Standard Missile-3 (SM-3), as well as short-range ballistic missiles in the terminal phase with the SM-2 Block IV missile. The MDA and the U.S. Navy cooperatively manage the Aegis BMD program.
Approved for Public Release, 13-MDA-7152 (12 Feb 2013).
Aegis BMD Video LINK:
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#936
by
Salo
on 10 Mar, 2013 06:03
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http://brazilianspace.blogspot.com/2013/03/duas-novas-missao-para-foguetes.htmlSee below for all missions planned or foreseen in the Brazilian rockets in Europe in the period 2013 to 2015:
TEXUS 50 Apr 2013 Esrange VSB-30
TEXUS 51 Apr 2013 Esrange VSB-30
WADIS 1 Jun/Jul 2013 Andøya VS-30
HIFIRE - 7 Sept 2013 Andøya VSB-30
Scramspace I Sept 2013 Andøya VS-30/Orion
MAPHEUS – 4 Oct 2013 Esrange VS-30
Cryofenix Nov 2013 Esrange VSB-30
ICI - 4 Nov/Dec 2013 Andøya VS-30/Orion
WADIS 2 Jan/Feb 2014 Andøya VS-30
HIFIRE - 5B Apr 2014 Andøya VS-30/Orion
Maxi Dusty-1 Jun/Jul 2014 Andøya VS-30
HIFIRE - 4 Sept. 2014 Andøya VSB-30
MAIUS-1 Nov 2014 Esrange VSB-30
SPIDER-1 Feb/Mar 2015 (?) Esrange VSB-30
MASER-13 Feb/Mar 2015 (?) Esrange VSB-30
TEXUS 52 Apr 2015 (?) Esrange VSB-30
TEXUS 53 Apr 2015 (?) Esrange VSB-30
HIFIRE - 8 2015 or 2016 (?) Andøya VS-40
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#937
by
isro-watch
on 11 Mar, 2013 02:41
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I know this may be a dumb question...But, considering the political and economic impact on U.S. and the rest of the world including India...
Is the U.S. sufficiently protected against any missile launch from North Korea ?
Is the MDA AEGIS BMD TEST LAUNCH part of that preparedness ?
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#938
by
Jason1701
on 11 Mar, 2013 06:24
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Where are the sounding rockets produced?
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#939
by
block51
on 11 Mar, 2013 10:38
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Where are the sounding rockets produced?
NASA's sounding rocket program office (SRPO) is located at Wallops Flight Facility (WFF) on the Eastern Shore of VA (the little penisula part of VA that most people don't think about, the VA in DELMARVA).
The vehicles (rocket motors) come from several sources. The Black Brant and Nihka rockets are produced by Bristol Aerospace in Canada. The Oriole rocket motor is produced by ATK and the booster as supplied to NASA is "built up" by Kratos Defense. All other motors come from the military in some way or another. Some are former Navy hardware (Terrier, Talos). Some are former Army hardware (Improved Malemute [Patriot of some flavor], Improved Orion [Hawk], Taurus [Honest John]).
SRPO contracts out essentially 100% of the engineering and manufacturing functions of the program via the NSROC II contract. NSROC II is located on base at WFF. Orbital Sciences Corp is the prime on this contract with several sub contractors forming the rest of the team. NSROC makes, or subs out to other shops (prob ~10% of all hardware is made at outside shops), all vehicle AND payload hardware. This includes but is not limited to nose-cones (actually, many of them are subed out), skins, structures, igniter safe and arm components, mechanisms, electrical components, Telemetry systems, power systems, etc. All of the hardware that NSROC makes is made on base at WFF. Sometimes experimenters will build their own structure for supporting their experiments and sometimes NSROC has to build most of it.
