Good question - also, what is the diff between the BB XIA XIIA and the original BB XI, BB XII ?
Maybe block51 can tell us?
The Honest John second stage motors have been replaced with Terrier Mk.70
Huh. For the Terrier Black Brant they didn't give a new number for this change - the BB IX Mod 1 which has been flying since the 1990s mixed in under the NASA 36.xxx label.
(I'm sure you agree that it would be nice to get someone at Wallops to go back and tell us which NASA 36.xxx flights
were Terrier Mk 70 and which were Terrier Mk 12 !!! I wonder if that info would be available if I went to visit there...)
Good question - also, what is the diff between the BB XIA XIIA and the original BB XI, BB XII ?
Maybe block51 can tell us?
The Honest John second stage motors have been replaced with Terrier Mk.70
Huh. For the Terrier Black Brant they didn't give a new number for this change - the BB IX Mod 1 which has been flying since the 1990s mixed in under the NASA 36.xxx label.
(I'm sure you agree that it would be nice to get someone at Wallops to go back and tell us which NASA 36.xxx flights
were Terrier Mk 70 and which were Terrier Mk 12 !!! I wonder if that info would be available if I went to visit there...)
For the BB IX 36.xxx label all versions use a Terrier (either Mk.12 or Mk.70)
For the BB XI-A / XII-A versions, the Honest John has been replaced with a Terrier, therfore it is not only a different version of one motor, but a completely different motor.
For the BB XI-A / XII-A versions, the Honest John has been replaced with a Terrier, therfore it is not only a different version of one motor, but a completely different motor.
D'oh. I am slow today - too much late night coding. Thanks for pointing that out twice, I needed it . :-)
I had forgotten the old ones were Talos-Taurus, not Talos-Terrier.
The set of NASA Sounding rocket numbers has been extended: (http://sites.wff.nasa.gov/code810/files/BlueBook.pdf)
50 ?
51 Black Brant XI-A (Talos Terrier Black-Brant)
52 Black Brant XII-A (Talos Terrier Black-Brant Nihka)
Anyone an idea, which rocket configuration got 50.xxx ?
Gunter
To complete block51's list, here is the full set of NASA sounding rocket code numbers
...
39 Black Brant XI
40 Black Brant XII
The NASA "12" special test series has included tests using rockets in the above list as well as Aerobee, Nike, Terrier and Taurus booster stages with dummy sustainers, and the Mesquito, Strypi, and Strypi 7AR rockets.
Good question - also, what is the diff between the BB XIA XIIA and the original BB XI, BB XII ?
Maybe block51 can tell us?
Enough to give them a whole new pair of numbers?
I can't speak to the 50.xxx series (I can't find any info that says it exists, but I'll ask around), but the 51.xxx and 52.xxx rockets are pretty straight forward.
The 2nd stage of the 39.xxx and 40.xxx vehicles is called a Tarus. Well, the Taurus is actually the motor from the Honest John missile (MGR-1B specifically). It is a very old motor with the last one being made in 1965 (per wikipedia, also that date agrees with what I've heard). The 51.xxx and 52.xxx are the same as the 39.xxx and 40.xxx with a different second stage. The second stage has been replaced with a Mk. 70 Terrier motor. With exception of the new hardware needed to interface between the stages, the new motor is the only difference.
An interesting sidebar: The spin motors that are used on every one of NASA's sounding rockets are harvested from the Honest John motors, which has 4 of them per motor.
Edit: Oops, I didn't read to the next page! I'll make up for it with a mega high resolution version of that sounding rocket stable picture!
Edit 2: I like the separate thread idea! I can ramble on about all kinds of fun NASA sounding rocket design stuff!
May i suggest, that the NASA sounding rocket designation topic is separated from this thread and moved to a thread of it's own. Perhaps an Admin can help.
May i suggest, that the NASA sounding rocket designation topic is separated from this thread and moved to a thread of it's own. Perhaps an Admin can help.
I informed them so help should be on the way for your issue.
May i suggest, that the NASA sounding rocket designation topic is separated from this thread and moved to a thread of it's own. Perhaps an Admin can help.
I informed them so help should be on the way for your issue.
Maybe we should have a whole separate Suborbital section in the International area with multiple threads.
Missiles, US sounding rockets, other sounding rockets, designations, etc
May i suggest, that the NASA sounding rocket designation topic is separated from this thread and moved to a thread of it's own. Perhaps an Admin can help.
I informed them so help should be on the way for your issue.
Maybe we should have a whole separate Suborbital section in the International area with multiple threads.
Missiles, US sounding rockets, other sounding rockets, designations, etc
I remember Chris Bergin or someone else here told me that there was a forum rule about how many threads on same subject would be needed to require a separate section, but I do not remember the number at this time.
High resolution, most up to date NASA sounding rocket "stable" picture.
Israel conducted a successful non-intercept test of an Arrow III ABM earlier today. The missile reportedly launched from Palmachim and flew for 10 minutes, including manoeuvres while outside of the atmosphere. Not sure what time the launch took place, but from the time reports came out, probably in the morning UTC.
http://rt.com/news/israel-arrow-interceptor-test-123/
Israel conducted a successful non-intercept test of an Arrow III ABM earlier today. The missile reportedly launched from Palmachim and flew for 10 minutes, including manoeuvres while outside of the atmosphere. Not sure what time the launch took place, but from the time reports came out, probably in the morning UTC.
http://rt.com/news/israel-arrow-interceptor-test-123/
So, this was an anti-satellite test?
Israel conducted a successful non-intercept test of an Arrow III ABM earlier today. The missile reportedly launched from Palmachim and flew for 10 minutes, including manoeuvres while outside of the atmosphere. Not sure what time the launch took place, but from the time reports came out, probably in the morning UTC.
http://rt.com/news/israel-arrow-interceptor-test-123/
So, this was an anti-satellite test?
Anti-missile, but with no target
India successfully test-fires nuclear-capable missile
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/sci/2014-01/07/c_133026120.htm
Apogee of 43.5 km according to this:
http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/nuke-capable-prithvi-ii-missile-successfully-test-fired-from-odisha_902078.html
Not sure how that squares with some of the previous launches - Jonathan has some in his lists with apogees of around 100km - if this test was successful I'm surprised to see it so much lower.
tl;dr: "100 km" is a guess.
There is at least one Prithvi target launch in 2007 with a quoted apogee of 110 km. The other flights that I have
listed as "100 km?" are guesses based on the range, and indeed it's possible that 40-50 km apogee is the regular
apogee. I erred on the higher side to keep them visible in the list of things that may have reached space, but welcome
any accurate information - and it looks like I should consider downgrading them.