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anik · « **on:** 12/15/2007 06:57 am »

The launch of Dnepr rocket with THEOS satellite from Dombarovskiy is officially scheduled at 06:33:59 UTC on January 20th...

According to http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1133&mid=219738#M219738 the satellite is already in Dombarovskiy and the preparation to launch has begun on December 5...

Danderman · « **Reply #1 on:** 12/15/2007 02:26 pm »

There will be lots of frozen Thai people in Siberia in January. I wonder how they will get to Dombarovsky, I hope its not via Moscow?

anik · « **Reply #2 on:** 12/27/2007 02:58 pm »

http://www.ln.mid.ru/ns-dvbr.nsf/a84cf38ed768735943256ccc003bcff1/7da79325461a02a4c32573be0028719b?OpenDocument

New launch date is January 30...

osiossim · « **Reply #3 on:** 01/02/2008 08:08 am »

http://www.industrywatch.com/pages/iw2/Story.nsp?story_id=113285246&ID=iw&scategory=Telecommunications%3ASatellite&P=&F=&R=&VNC=hnall

Seems that Theos launch has been postponed indefinitely. Lets see how Astrium, Thailand and ISC Kosmotras will manage.

William Graham · « **Reply #4 on:** 01/02/2008 09:28 am »

Interesting. Can they launch to a polar orbit from anywhere else? Baikonur?

sammie · « **Reply #5 on:** 01/02/2008 08:23 pm »

THEOS was first supposed to be launched by a Rockot from Plestek, but due to a shortage of upperstage engines, the launch was switched to the Dnepr. Polar orbit from Plestek is easy, especially with a Rockot, which has been used mainly for such missions.

Polar orbit from Baikonur with a Dnepr is also possible, IIRC, with the dropzone of the first stage in Turkmenistan.

Satori · « **Reply #6 on:** 01/13/2008 02:47 pm »

Any news about the THEOS launch? Is it still schedule for January 30th or is this date TDB?

osiossim · « **Reply #7 on:** 01/14/2008 06:35 am »

Seems that Turkmenistan will squeeze more and will make problem to Russians about southern direction launch. Does that really matter if they launch on the same angle to northern direction launch, in terms of orbital dynamics?

anik · « **Reply #8 on:** 01/15/2008 01:37 pm »

The launch is postponed to February...

« **Reply #9 on:** 01/16/2008 03:14 am »

Some pictures of spacecraft components provided for EADS Astrium

osiossim · « **Reply #10 on:** 01/16/2008 06:09 am »

Strange that Russians could not solve the problem with Uzbeks. Why didint they switch to Baikonur rather than keeping the satellite delayed on the storage?

Theos launch is very unfortunate as Astrium already had to switch from Rockot to Dnepr and wait on the ground with Dnepr...

eeergo · « **Reply #11 on:** 02/16/2008 02:58 pm »

Spaceflightnow's launch calendar is now reporting this Dnepr launch as the next one, with a Feb 27 launch date. This information is from Jan 28, so is it old or wrong info?

EDIT: Ok, I've just checked the "Plan of Russian launches" thread (something I should have done before posting, agreed ) and discovered this info was already known. Well, let's consider this a bump!

Jirka Dlouhy · « **Reply #12 on:** 02/17/2008 07:07 pm »

Next picture of THEOS:

osiossim · « **Reply #13 on:** 02/19/2008 08:50 am »

Theos removed from "Russian Launch Manifest". Does that mean Theos will not be launched from Dombarovskiy or not from any other Russian launcher, as it happened to Sumbandilasat?

William Graham · « **Reply #14 on:** 02/19/2008 08:52 am »

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osiossim - 19/2/2008 9:50 AM

Theos removed from "Russian Launch Manifest". Does that mean Theos will not be launched from Dombarovskiy or not from any other Russian launcher, as it happened to Sumbandilasat?

What "Russian Launch Manifest"?

osiossim · « **Reply #15 on:** 02/19/2008 08:58 am »

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GW_Simulations - 19/2/2008 11:52 AM

What "Russian Launch Manifest"?

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1133&start=586&posts=592

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astropl · « **Reply #16 on:** 02/19/2008 09:07 am »

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osiossim - 19/2/2008 10:58 AM

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GW_Simulations - 19/2/2008 11:52 AM

What "Russian Launch Manifest"?

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1133&start=586&posts=592

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TBD – THEOS – Dnepr – Dombarovskiy

osiossim · « **Reply #17 on:** 02/19/2008 11:20 am »

Lets look at Dnepr Launches from Dombarovskiy (Yasny) in 2008-2009;

2008 second quarter – five RapidEye satellites – Dnepr – Dombarovskiy
2008 fourth quarter – DubaiSat-1, Deimos-1, Nanosat-1B, UK-DMC2 – Dnepr – Dombarovskiy
2008 TBD – THEOS – Dnepr – Dombarovskiy
2009 middle of year – TanDEM-X – Dnepr – Dombarovskiy

Is there anybody in the forum who is aware about the consequences of these satellites above? Seems that Theos postponement is because of Uzbekistan. Uzbekistan doesnt want Dnepr to use its territory as 1st stage drop zone.

anik · « **Reply #18 on:** 06/19/2008 04:29 pm »

According to Novosti kosmonavtiki forum, the preliminary launch date is July 25.

osiossim · « **Reply #19 on:** 06/20/2008 06:46 am »

Quote from: anik on 06/19/2008 04:29 pm

According to Novosti kosmonavtiki forum, the preliminary launch date is July 25.

From?

anik · « **Reply #20 on:** 06/20/2008 03:31 pm »

Quote from: osiossim on 06/20/2008 06:46 am

From?

The launch will be from Dombarovskiy. The impact zone for the first stage of Dnepr rocket will be in Mangistau region of Kazakhstan. Instead of Uzbekistan.

input~2 · « **Reply #21 on:** 06/23/2008 08:10 am »

According to to-day's Bangkok Post, launch is now planned for September.

osiossim · « **Reply #22 on:** 06/23/2008 02:35 pm »

Quote from: input~2 on 06/23/2008 08:10 am

According to to-day's Bangkok Post, launch is now planned for September.

Thanks,

http://www.bangkokpost.com/230608_News/23Jun2008_news13.php

Danderman · « **Reply #23 on:** 06/23/2008 07:26 pm »

Quote from: anik on 06/20/2008 03:31 pm

Quote from: osiossim on 06/20/2008 06:46 am
From?

The launch will be from Dombarovskiy. The impact zone for the first stage of Dnepr rocket will be in Mangistau region of Kazakhstan. Instead of Uzbekistan.

Looking at a map, I don't see how the Dnepr can fly to a 98 degree orbit and leave the first stage in that part of Kazakhstan, far to the west of Dombarovskiy.

anik · « **Reply #24 on:** 06/24/2008 03:35 pm »

Quote from: Danderman on 06/23/2008 07:26 pm

Looking at a map, I don't see how the Dnepr can fly to a 98 degree orbit and leave the first stage in that part of Kazakhstan, far to the west of Dombarovskiy

According to http://kz-today.kz/index.php?lang=rus&uin=1138536794&chapter=1153446755 and http://kz-today.kz/index.php?lang=rus&uin=1138536794&chapter=1153446760 the impact zone for the first stage of Dnepr rocket will be in 177 km east of Senek village, close to the border with Uzbekistan.

anik · « **Reply #25 on:** 06/25/2008 05:26 pm »

Quote from: anik on 06/19/2008 04:29 pm

According to Novosti kosmonavtiki forum, the preliminary launch date is July 25

Quote from: input~2 on 06/23/2008 08:10 am

According to to-day's Bangkok Post, launch is now planned for September

According to http://www.ln.mid.ru/ns-dvbr.nsf/a84cf38ed768735943256ccc003bcff1/d297c70989da871fc32574730038e607?OpenDocument the launch is planned on July 24.

Funnily...

Danderman · « **Reply #26 on:** 06/25/2008 07:01 pm »

The ground track plot now begs the question as to why Kosmotras was trying to get permission from Uzbekhistan in the first place, if a 98 degree orbit leaves the 1st stage in Kazakhstan.

anik · « **Reply #27 on:** 07/15/2008 04:38 am »

Russia to launch Thai satellite
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-07/14/content_8544846.htm

"MOSCOW, July 14 (Xinhua) -- Russia is to launch a carrying rocket on Wednesday [on July 16??? - anik] to send into orbit a Thai satellite for Earth observation, local media reported on Monday.

The Dnepr, a satellite carrier modified from an intercontinental ballistic missile, will blast off from the Dombarovsky missile launching site in Russia's Ural mountains region with the THEOS (Thailand Earth Observation System) satellite atop.

"We are on schedule. The cone with THEOS has been attached to the rocket. The rocket will soon be filled with fuel," Interfax cited a space center source"

anik · « **Reply #28 on:** 07/16/2008 02:59 pm »

According to http://www.ln.mid.ru/ns-dvbr.nsf/a84cf38ed768735943256ccc003bcff1/162de77bdccc258dc32574880041cb08?OpenDocument the launch is postponed to the later date.

anik · « **Reply #29 on:** 07/17/2008 02:58 pm »

According to Novosti kosmonavtiki forum, the current launch date is July 29.

Satori · « **Reply #30 on:** 07/28/2008 01:18 pm »

Quote from: anik on 07/17/2008 02:58 pm

According to Novosti kosmonavtiki forum, the current launch date is July 29.

Any news on this mission?

input~2 · « **Reply #31 on:** 07/28/2008 05:18 pm »

The launch has been postponed to August 5 according to an item posted on Novosti kosmonavtiki forum on July 24.

osiossim · « **Reply #32 on:** 07/29/2008 11:40 am »

Shall we bet on the launch date?

Jirka Dlouhy · « **Reply #33 on:** 08/04/2008 07:43 pm »

Launch is planed on August 6 (EADS info from today)

mildertduck · « **Reply #34 on:** 08/05/2008 10:00 pm »

EADS website, 5th August:

"The launch of the THEOS (Thailand Earth Observation System) satellite, planned for 6 August, has been delayed. The new launch date will be communicated as soon as it is confirmed."

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #35 on:** 08/06/2008 12:31 pm »

Was wondering what happened to this one, thanks.

DmitryP · « **Reply #36 on:** 08/07/2008 04:38 am »

Quote from: Chris Bergin on 08/06/2008 12:31 pm

Was wondering what happened to this one, thanks.

Rumors from Novosti Kosmonavtiki forum is that there are unresolved issues with Kazakhstan (or Uzbekistan) regarding areas for rocket debris fall. And the rocket and satellite sit fueled at the launch pad.

MiHC · « **Reply #37 on:** 08/07/2008 08:27 am »

Why normally fuel filled activity would happen just before launch? Could anybody advice the impact of staying on launch pad for long time with fuel filled?

Thx in advance !!

Skyrocket · « **Reply #38 on:** 08/07/2008 08:34 am »

Quote from: MiHC on 08/07/2008 08:27 am

Why normally fuel filled activity would happen just before launch? Could anybody advice the impact of staying on launch pad for long time with fuel filled?

Thx in advance !!

In this case probably none. The Dnepr is a nearly unmodified R-36M ICBM, which is designed to sit fueled for years in its Silo.

input~2 · « **Reply #39 on:** 08/07/2008 10:15 am »

"Kazakhstan suddenly withdrew permission for the first-stage booster to fall within its borders."

from Bangkok Post dated to-day

William Graham · « **Reply #40 on:** 08/07/2008 10:32 am »

Quote from: input~2 on 08/07/2008 10:15 am

"Kazakhstan suddenly withdrew permission for the first-stage booster to fall within its borders."

from Bangkok Post dated to-day

Strange, they've never had problems with it in the past. Is this just for this launch, or for all launches - if it affects all launches, there could be serious issues with anything launching from Baikonur.

DmitryP · « **Reply #41 on:** 08/07/2008 10:58 am »

Quote from: GW_Simulations on 08/07/2008 10:32 am

Strange, they've never had problems with it in the past. Is this just for this launch, or for all launches - if it affects all launches, there could be serious issues with anything launching from Baikonur.

You have to remember that this launch is managed by private company (Kosmotras). Even for the Russian Government negotiations on drop zones were very difficult and here there is a smell of private money all around negotiation table...

William Graham · « **Reply #42 on:** 08/07/2008 11:03 am »

Quote from: DmitryP on 08/07/2008 10:58 am

Quote from: GW_Simulations on 08/07/2008 10:32 am
Strange, they've never had problems with it in the past. Is this just for this launch, or for all launches - if it affects all launches, there could be serious issues with anything launching from Baikonur.

You have to remember that this launch is managed by private company (Kosmotras). Even for the Russian Government negotiations on drop zones were very difficult and here there is a smell of private money all around negotiation table...

Kosmotras have launched from Baikonur. So have Starsem, ILS and Land Launch. I'm sure some of them have dropped stages in Kazakhstan.

Danderman · « **Reply #43 on:** 08/07/2008 01:59 pm »

Quote from: GW_Simulations on 08/07/2008 10:32 am

Strange, they've never had problems with it in the past. Is this just for this launch, or for all launches - if it affects all launches, there could be serious issues with anything launching from Baikonur.

This is the first launch from Dombarisky that will drop the first stage in Kazakhstan, and the part of the Kazakhstan where the stage will drop has never previously been used as a drop zone. Typically, SSO Dnepr launches from Baikonur drop the first stage in Turkmenistan.

MiHC · « **Reply #44 on:** 08/08/2008 02:13 am »

Understood that Genesis I and Genesis II had been launched from Dombarovskiy since two and one year ago respectively. As the specific inclination of 65 degree, what should be the first stage drop zone area for Genesis cases? Seem like still in Kazas but different zone? If true, why not applicable for THEOS .. Just my wondering

Danderman · « **Reply #45 on:** 08/08/2008 02:34 pm »

Quote from: MiHC on 08/08/2008 02:13 am

Understood that Genesis I and Genesis II had been launched from Dombarovskiy since two and one year ago respectively. As the specific inclination of 65 degree, what should be the first stage drop zone area for Genesis cases? Seem like still in Kazas but different zone? If true, why not applicable for THEOS .. Just my wondering

You literally have it backwards. 65 degrees is a posigrade orbit, meaning that the spacecraft is traveling eastwards. Therefore, the lower stages would drop eastwards from the launch site. Since mission planners don't want to drop stages in China, one has to assume that the launch was to a northeasterly azimuth, and therefore the lower stages would drop over Siberia.

On the other hand, THEOS is to be launched to a 98, retrograde orbit.

anik · « **Reply #46 on:** 08/12/2008 05:23 am »

According to http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=200154 the launch likely will be in the end of August if there will be agreement between Kosmotras and Kazkosmos about the using of Kazakhstan territory as the impact zone for the first stage of Dnepr rocket.

Olaf · « **Reply #47 on:** 08/23/2008 08:32 pm »

Here is a summary of the problems with THEOS by Jim Oberg.

http://www.space.com/news/080822-dnepr-thailand-woes.html

anik · « **Reply #48 on:** 08/29/2008 03:32 pm »

According to http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=59287&cid=125 the head of Roskosmos Anatoliy Perminov said that THEOS satellite will be launched till the end of 2008.

osiossim · « **Reply #49 on:** 09/10/2008 09:31 am »

According to verbal the sources, after the successfull launch of Rapideye from Baikonur, EADS Astrium, ISC Kosmotras and Thailand MICT aggreed to move the satellite from Yasny to Baikonur to launch at the end of 2008. Moving operation expected to take some 3 months.

But this time the question is; if Theos moved to Baikonur, what will happen to Dubaisat and UK-DMC2 and others?

pm1823 · « **Reply #50 on:** 09/10/2008 10:26 am »

I think, that all this commercial launching from Yasniy(Dombrovskiy) in south direction was some kind of dark business from Kosmotras and RVSN side. Why they thought, that someone gift them new "fall areas" in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, if old "fall areas" (for Proton) in Kazakhstan having troubles and shrinking every year?! What they could offer for Kazakhs?

anik · « **Reply #51 on:** 09/10/2008 06:21 pm »

As per Novosti kosmonavtiki forum, the next attempt of THEOS launch is planned in the end of September. Still from Dombarovskiy cosmodrome.

osiossim · « **Reply #52 on:** 09/12/2008 01:02 pm »

Quote from: anik on 09/10/2008 06:21 pm

As per Novosti kosmonavtiki forum, the next attempt of THEOS launch is planned in the end of September. Still from Dombarovskiy cosmodrome.

The problem is not a launch window but the drop zone. If Kazak, Turkmen and Uzbek Governements provide necessary permissions, ISCK may try launch attempt any time. They do not have to wait until the end of September. Rocket and satellite are fuelled, battary of THEOS is charged.

So, I assume we should expect a transfer operation from Yasny to Baikonur.

anik · « **Reply #53 on:** 09/19/2008 08:30 pm »

According to Novosti kosmonavtiki forum, the launch is currently scheduled for September 30th (the backup date is October 1).

anik · « **Reply #54 on:** 09/24/2008 04:28 pm »

According to my source, the final launch date is October 1.

anik · « **Reply #55 on:** 09/26/2008 06:49 pm »

Quote from: anik on 09/24/2008 04:28 pm

According to my source, the final launch date is October 1

But according to http://www.rbc.ua/rus/newsline/2008/09/24/436576.shtml the launch date is October 4/5.

anik · « **Reply #56 on:** 09/30/2008 04:44 pm »

According to http://www.regnum.ru/news/1062030.html the launch will be tomorrow.

I was told that the launch time is 06:37[:16] UTC (I am not sure about seconds).

Se Elmeri · « **Reply #57 on:** 10/01/2008 06:50 am »

Did it go?

William Graham · « **Reply #58 on:** 10/01/2008 06:54 am »

Quote from: Se Elmeri on 10/01/2008 06:50 am

Did it go?

No news yet, either way. This is not unusual for Russian launches, though.

William Graham · « **Reply #59 on:** 10/01/2008 06:59 am »

Launch confirmed (I think - can't read Russian - had to translate with Google)

http://gazeta.ru/news/lenta/2008/10/01/n_1277165.shtml

Nicolas PILLET · « **Reply #60 on:** 10/01/2008 08:23 am »

Confirmation of the launch from Itar-Tass :

http://www.itar-tass.com/level2.html?NewsID=13124884&PageNum=0

Warning : the photo may not be the one of this launch, Tass is used to publish wrong pictures...

sammie · « **Reply #61 on:** 10/01/2008 02:20 pm »

from the kosmotras website; some more news

It took a while to launch this bird, but there you go....

Satori · « **Reply #62 on:** 10/05/2008 01:18 pm »

I'm looking for images of the THEOS launch for an article I'm writing about this mission. Please, if someone has any image of this launch can post it here or PM me.

Thanks!

Nicolas PILLET · « **Reply #63 on:** 10/05/2008 08:28 pm »

Did yoi remark this sentence in the official release of MKK Kosmotras after the launch :

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Contract for the launch of THEOS SC was concluded between ISC Kosmotras and Eurockot, Germany.

What does it mean ? I agree the launch was initially planned on Rokot, but I don't understand why there has been a "contract between MKK-K and Eurockot"...

Thanks !

Skyrocket · « **Reply #64 on:** 10/05/2008 08:47 pm »

Quote from: Nicolas PILLET on 10/05/2008 08:28 pm

Did yoi remark this sentence in the official release of MKK Kosmotras after the launch :

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Contract for the launch of THEOS SC was concluded between ISC Kosmotras and Eurockot, Germany.

What does it mean ? I agree the launch was initially planned on Rokot, but I don't understand why there has been a "contract between MKK-K and Eurockot"...

Thanks !

The THEOS launch was contracted with Eurockot, but due to the upper stage engine shortage Eurockot was not able to fulfill the contract. So Eurockot contracted a launch for THEOS with Kosmotras.

osiossim · « **Reply #65 on:** 10/06/2008 12:44 pm »

Quote from: osiossim on 10/06/2008 11:16 am

Is there any post launch result? What about the injection accuracy? If ISCK changed the launch direction, did that result in loss in 3 sigma?

?

Sorry I found something just now..

http://www.bangkokpost.com/topstories/topstories.php?id=131044 (**)
http://www.ssc.se/?id=5104&cid=13241
http://enews.mcot.net/view.php?id=6590
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/Thai100208.xml&headline=Thai%20Surveillance%20Sat%20Orbited&channel=space
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20081001/117363703.html
http://www.space.com/spacenews/spacenews_briefs.html (5th story)
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-10/01/content_10138652.htm

Nicolas PILLET · « **Reply #66 on:** 10/14/2008 11:02 am »

Launch pictures are here :

http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lancements/2008/01102008/01102008photos.html

Nicolas PILLET · « **Reply #67 on:** 08/23/2009 01:15 pm »

I have added a pictue of THEOS inside the Yasni's clean room :

http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lancements/2008/01102008/01102008photos.html