Author Topic: CCDev-2 Awards PRE-Announcement Discussion - April 18  (Read 56143 times)

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MEDIA ADVISORY : M11-073
 
NASA To Announce Awards For Commercial Crew Development

 
WASHINGTON -- NASA will host a media teleconference at 4:30 p.m. EDT on Monday, April 18, to announce awards for the second round of the Commercial Crew Development (CCDev2) effort.

These awards are a continuation of NASA's CCDev initiatives begun in 2009 to stimulate efforts within U.S. industry to develop and demonstrate human spaceflight capabilities. The selected proposals will advance commercial crew space transportation system concepts and mature the design and development of elements, including launch vehicles and spacecraft.

Teleconference participants are:
-- Philip McAlister, acting director, Commercial Spaceflight Development, NASA Headquarters, Washington
-- Edward Mango, program manager, Commercial Crew Program, Kennedy Space Center, Fla.
-- Andrew Hunter, deputy chief financial officer, NASA Headquarters

To participate in the teleconference, reporters need to e-mail their name, media affiliation and telephone number to Michael Braukus at [email protected] by 3 p.m. EDT, Monday, April 18.

Audio of the teleconference will be streamed live on NASA's website at:
http://www.nasa.gov/newsaudio

For more information about NASA's Commercial Crew Program, visit:
http://www.nasa.gov/exploration


http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/apr/HQ_M11-073_CCDev.html
« Last Edit: 04/18/2011 07:47 pm by Chris Bergin »
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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #1 on: 04/18/2011 02:41 pm »
Well, I'll open up the floor here by posting who I'd like to win. Please don't flame me for mentioning Liberty! :D

Who I want to win:
• SpaceX (Dragon Capsule).
• Sierra Nevada (Dream Chaser spaceplane).
• Paragon (advanced ECLSS hardware).
• ATK/Astrium (Liberty rocket).
« Last Edit: 04/18/2011 02:41 pm by Space Pete »
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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #2 on: 04/18/2011 02:44 pm »
List of proposals submitted:

ATK/Astrium: Liberty rocket

Blue Origin: advance technologies in support of the New Shepard vehicle

Boeing : Continue work on CST-100

Excalibur Almaz Inc.: reuse Almaz capsules for commercial use.

Orbital Sciences: Prometheus lifting-body spacecraft utilizing Atlas V

Paragon Space Development Corporation:continue work on Commercial Crew Transport-Air Revitalization System (CCT-ARS)

Sierra Nevada Corporation: Continue work on Dreamcatcher

SpaceX : LAS for Dragon

t/Space: eight-person crew or cargo transfer vehicle, Launch on Atlas V/Falcon 9/Taurus II

ULA:  continue CCDEv-1 work on human-rating the Atlas V rocket.

USA: Commercial Space Transportation Service, or CSTS, meaning flying Atlantis and Endeavour from 2013-2017.

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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #3 on: 04/18/2011 02:46 pm »
I can't see SpaceX not getting the nod.  Thye're pretty far a long on the Dragopn and designed it with HSF rating in mind. Plus the committment they're making with Falcon Heavy and making it human rated as well sems to that NASA would give them a contract for CCDev2.  After that who know but Musk has poured a lot of time, money and energy into making SpaceX the first private HSF operator.

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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #4 on: 04/18/2011 02:52 pm »
Never underestimate the power of ATK. That's all I'll say.

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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #5 on: 04/18/2011 02:55 pm »
I am going to go out on a limb here and state that at least one award will go to ULA ;)

And another prediction will be Boeing/Sierra Nevada since they received funds for CCDev-1


All I know is that whoever is awarded, there will be criticism and argument....
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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #6 on: 04/18/2011 02:59 pm »
I am rooting for Prometheus. Yee haw.

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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #7 on: 04/18/2011 03:03 pm »
Was it ever clear to anyone what the appropriated amount was?
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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #8 on: 04/18/2011 03:03 pm »
Well, I'll open up the floor here by posting who I'd like to win. Please don't flame me for mentioning Liberty! :D

Who I want to win:
SpaceX (Dragon Capsule).
Sierra Nevada (Dream Chaser spaceplane).
Paragon (advanced ECLSS hardware).
ATK/Astrium (Liberty rocket).

Totally agree with your 1st 3, but not the 4th.
Please don't consider that statement to be a flame - it's not. You're entitled to have and express your opinions.

As for me, in spite of being one of the co-founders of DIRECT, I would prefer to see the age of the huge segmented SRB come to an end. By way of explanation, The SRB-powered Jupiter was created to comply with the law, which required the solid. My personal preference would be to replace them with LRB's, as in AJAX. I don't think the huge SRB's are a good deal economically and they severely limit growth options by their shear mass.

But I don't think you are alone in having a favorable opinion of Liberty. I would be interested in your reasoning.
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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #9 on: 04/18/2011 03:04 pm »
MEDIA ADVISORY : M11-073
 
NASA To Announce Awards For Commercial Crew Development

 
WASHINGTON -- NASA will host a media teleconference at 4:30 p.m. EDT on Monday, April 18, to announce awards for the second round of the Commercial Crew Development (CCDev2) effort.

finally!!!
(though we all know the reason for the delay, it's still a welcome moment)

Never underestimate the power of ATK. That's all I'll say.

ditto on that.
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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #10 on: 04/18/2011 03:05 pm »
Was it ever clear to anyone what the appropriated amount was?

A LOT less than probably required ??  ;)

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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #11 on: 04/18/2011 03:06 pm »
Was it ever clear to anyone what the appropriated amount was?

spacenews saying ~300 million. Thats all I've seen but haven't been following that amount too closely.

http://www.spacenews.com/civil/110418-ccdev-awards-expected-today.html

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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #12 on: 04/18/2011 03:09 pm »
Was it ever clear to anyone what the appropriated amount was?

spacenews saying ~300 million. Thats all I've seen but haven't been following that amount too closely.

http://www.spacenews.com/civil/110418-ccdev-awards-expected-today.html

Thanks.  So of the 11 bidders, that allows ~27 million per company.  Obviously at least one will not get any money and some will not require that much.  So there should be some big things done here with and time put the money where the CSF's mouth is. 
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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #13 on: 04/18/2011 03:12 pm »
My completely non-scientific opinion, but I am rooting for :

Space X
Sierra Nevada
Boeing
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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #14 on: 04/18/2011 03:15 pm »
But I don't think you are alone in having a favorable opinion of Liberty. I would be interested in your reasoning.

In a nutshell, the reason that I prefer Liberty over Atlas V is because:

A) Liberty is a "simple" rocket, which does exactly what it says on the tin (launch to LEO, nothing else). One of my favourite sayings: "The simpler a plan is, the less things can go wrong". ;)

B) A lot less work is required to man-rate Liberty than to man-rate Atlas V, since both Liberty's SRB and 2nd stage were designed with crew in mind.

C) The support for Liberty is mostly already in place. For example, a new gantry would need to be constructed for Atlas V in order to allow for crew access, whereas Liberty would use the Ares I ML.

All of the above would likely make Liberty ready to fly crew before Atlas V.

However, having said all that, by my own admittance I'm not a religious follower of new/commercial space, so I'm sure there are some things that I have overlooked.
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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #15 on: 04/18/2011 03:16 pm »
My predictions is that there will be many CCDev-2 awards (as was the case with CCDev-1). So I am predicting that all of the CCDev-1 recipients will also receive awards for CCDev-2 and I am adding SpaceX and ATK to that list. Here are my predictions in order of probability:

1- Dream Chaser (SNC)
2- SpaceX
3- Boeing
4- ULA
5- Paragon
6- Blue Origin
7- ATK
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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #16 on: 04/18/2011 03:19 pm »
All of the above would likely make Liberty ready to fly crew before Atlas V.

I would beg to differ on all your 3 points.

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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #17 on: 04/18/2011 03:19 pm »
1.  Boeing
2.  SpaceX
3.  Orbital
4.  SNC
5.  ATK

These will be the main winners.
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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #18 on: 04/18/2011 03:21 pm »
I sincerely hope they select at most 3 so as to actually offer enough money to the winners to accomplish substantial development goals. We need to move on this.

Are we not far enough along in the development cycles of the competing systems for NASA to make an educated decision as to which of the executions is most likely to succeed, with the greatest speed to market, most economical to develop and maintain, factoring in capabilities?

I'd be interested in a non-partisan opinion / fact based analysis as to which of the systems truly qualifies to get funded at levels commiserate with their current development accomplishments and future lifecycle costs..
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Re: LIVE: CCDev-2 Awards Announcement - April 18
« Reply #19 on: 04/18/2011 03:22 pm »
B) A lot less work is required to man-rate Liberty than to man-rate Atlas V, since both Liberty's SRB and 2nd stage were designed with crew in mind.

Hmm. And what is going to be different with this SRB than the Ares-I wrt the thrust oscillation issue? All that TO was shown to be pretty much a crew-killer. I have no difficulty using it for cargo only, but not for crew. It would be dead-man-walking according to all the analysis documentation that has been collected.
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