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Title: Atlantis set for express trip home - more TPS results
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/27/2007 10:01 pm
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Title: RE: Atlantis set for express trip home - more TPS results
Post by: JMS on 06/27/2007 11:06 pm
Have they ever made that trip in one day before?
Title: RE: Atlantis set for express trip home - more TPS results
Post by: Jackson on 06/27/2007 11:10 pm
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JMS - 27/6/2007  6:06 PM

Have they ever made that trip in one day before?

Yes. When this processing information for today was posted on L2, there was the same question and Psloss posted that it has happened on at least three other occasions. I'll let him post what he posted.
Title: Re: Atlantis set for express trip home - more TPS results
Post by: Launch Fan on 06/28/2007 03:32 am
Weather might kill this opportunity. Doesn't look good Friday.

I'll defer to Mr Dale :)
Title: Re: Atlantis set for express trip home - more TPS results
Post by: MKremer on 06/28/2007 04:12 am
Is it possible they would make the first leg to their refuelling base, then consider the KSC weather? If it's not promising, then overnight there and takeoff early enough the next morning to beat the afternoon weather in FL?
Title: Re: Atlantis set for express trip home - more TPS results
Post by: rdale on 06/28/2007 01:53 pm
Definitely into a wet, tropical pattern across the FL peninsula -- I'm sure they can thread the needle but not sure how dry the area has to be for them to try...
Title: Re: Atlantis set for express trip home - more TPS results
Post by: shuttlefan on 06/28/2007 02:57 pm
So they're set to mate the orbiter to the 747 today?
Title: Re: Atlantis set for express trip home - more TPS results
Post by: DaveS on 06/28/2007 03:01 pm
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shuttlefan - 28/6/2007  4:57 PM

So they're set to mate the orbiter to the 747 today?
That depends on whether they have mated the tailcone to orbiter yet. They were concerned that high winds could delay that.
Title: Re: Atlantis set for express trip home - more TPS results
Post by: pippin on 06/28/2007 03:35 pm
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MKremer - 28/6/2007  6:12 AM

Is it possible they would make the first leg to their refuelling base, then consider the KSC weather? If it's not promising, then overnight there and takeoff early enough the next morning to beat the afternoon weather in FL?

refuelling base? They can't fly ftom Edwards to Kennedy with one load of fuel of a 747??? Wow
Title: Re: Atlantis set for express trip home - more TPS results
Post by: Jorge on 06/28/2007 03:48 pm
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pippin - 28/6/2007  10:35 AM

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MKremer - 28/6/2007  6:12 AM

Is it possible they would make the first leg to their refuelling base, then consider the KSC weather? If it's not promising, then overnight there and takeoff early enough the next morning to beat the afternoon weather in FL?

refuelling base? They can't fly ftom Edwards to Kennedy with one load of fuel of a 747??? Wow

That is correct. The problem isn't the mass of the orbiter - it's well within what a cargo 747 can carry - but the fact that it's mounted externally, and so adds a lot of drag.
Title: Re: Atlantis set for express trip home - more TPS results
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/28/2007 03:58 pm
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Jorge - 28/6/2007  9:48 AM

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pippin - 28/6/2007  10:35 AM

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MKremer - 28/6/2007  6:12 AM

Is it possible they would make the first leg to their refuelling base, then consider the KSC weather? If it's not promising, then overnight there and takeoff early enough the next morning to beat the afternoon weather in FL?

refuelling base? They can't fly ftom Edwards to Kennedy with one load of fuel of a 747??? Wow

That is correct. The problem isn't the mass of the orbiter - it's well within what a cargo 747 can carry - but the fact that it's mounted externally, and so adds a lot of drag.

Don't they also fly low and slow (10,000 feet and 250 knots or something like that) for much of the trip?
Title: Re: Atlantis set for express trip home - more TPS results
Post by: psloss on 06/28/2007 04:00 pm
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pippin - 28/6/2007  11:35 AM

refuelling base? They can't fly ftom Edwards to Kennedy with one load of fuel of a 747??? Wow
Here's an article from back when Discovery was ferried back to KSC after STS-114:
http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/crew/ferryflight.html
Title: Re: Atlantis set for express trip home - more TPS results
Post by: Jim on 06/28/2007 04:08 pm
Actually, the low altitude is due to keeping the orbiter systems above the freezing.  The low altitude is not fuel efficent and necessiates refueling
Title: Re: Atlantis set for express trip home - more TPS results
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/28/2007 10:47 pm
Yeah...that's why I mentioned it.  Airliners are efficient at high altitude.  Flying low and slow, and adding a big fat drag device on top conspire together to dramatically reduce the range of the SCA + orbiter.
Title: Re: Atlantis set for express trip home - more TPS results
Post by: Kaputnik on 06/29/2007 09:32 am
How big a difference in drag does hte tailcone make? Or is it just there to protect the engine nozzles?
Title: Re: Atlantis set for express trip home - more TPS results
Post by: Jim on 06/29/2007 03:27 pm
Big difference