Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/23/2007 04:06 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/23/2007 04:09 pm
Just wondering since we didn't get see the tow live on NASA TV(or anywhere else for that matter!).
Post by: DaveS on 06/23/2007 04:21 pm
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/23/2007 04:42 pm
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DaveS - 23/6/2007 5:09 PM
Any possibility of getting images like this but of Atlantis: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=314&posts=49&start=1 ?
Just wondering since we didn't get see the tow live on NASA TV(or anywhere else for that matter!).
Will do what we can.
Nice movie on the next post too.
Post by: psloss on 06/23/2007 08:59 pm
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/STS-117/index.html
Post by: Pete at Edwards on 06/25/2007 03:20 am
Post by: nathan.moeller on 06/25/2007 06:26 pm
Post by: psloss on 06/25/2007 06:35 pm
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nathan.moeller - 25/6/2007 2:26 PMSeems like it would be weather-dependent...or at least weather forecast dependent.
Do we have a list of bases she'll be stopping at along the way? I remember Discovery stopping off in Oklahoma and Louisiana before making the final hop to Florida.
Post by: nathan.moeller on 06/25/2007 06:39 pm
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psloss - 25/6/2007 1:35 PMQuotenathan.moeller - 25/6/2007 2:26 PMSeems like it would be weather-dependent...or at least weather forecast dependent.
Do we have a list of bases she'll be stopping at along the way? I remember Discovery stopping off in Oklahoma and Louisiana before making the final hop to Florida.
Okay. Well, I'm only 90 minutes from Dyess AFB in Abilene, TX. Columbia paid the base a visit on top of the STA back in 2001 when they shipped her back to KSC from Palmdale after her final OMDP. If Atlantis stops there next week and I can get off work, I'm going to go up there and try to get some pictures/video for you guys.
Post by: psloss on 06/25/2007 06:43 pm
Post by: nathan.moeller on 06/25/2007 06:45 pm
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psloss - 25/6/2007 1:43 PM
This site is probably a good place to find out what the plans are when they are ready to ferry.
As I planned ;) Keep me posted and I'll see if this little roadtrip will happen.
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/25/2007 07:06 pm
Post by: Rocket Guy on 06/25/2007 07:07 pm
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/STS-117/Small/index.html
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/25/2007 07:37 pm
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Ben - 25/6/2007 8:07 PM
Several photos here from Friday:
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/STS-117/Small/index.html
The link has already been posted above for these photos..
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/26/2007 05:01 am
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5147
Post by: mkirk on 06/26/2007 08:50 pm
Current plan and schedule is to mate to SCA on Friday (i.e. be ready to leave late Friday). SCA will leave Dryden on Saturday morning.
Doesn't mean it will happen that way...
Mark Kirkman
Post by: psloss on 06/26/2007 08:54 pm
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/STS-117/index.html
(Note that the attachments are the small versions of the pix -- if you want desktop sized ones, go to the website!)
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/26/2007 10:02 pm
For the landing ops at Dryden in California, USA KSC personnel were deployed as follows:
65 USA employees were deployed to Dryden prior to landing, and were at the landing strip when Atlantis landed.
20 USA employees were sent on Friday evening after landing.
120 USA employees were sent to Dryden on Saturday.
Out of that total of 205 employees, about a dozen are IAM slots, and about half of those were IAM employees who crossed the picket line, the rest
were replacements. These folks are logistics personnel who handle storekeeping, packing and crating.
In addition, the following KSC personnel were deployed to Dryden:
50 NASA
11 Boeing
7 Rocketdyne
It is possible some NASA/contractor employees from JSC and Huntingdon Beach also flew to Dryden. I don't have info on that.
Here are the USA numbers for the Atlantis Demate Operation at the SLF MDD at KSC:
103 total USA employees
Of that total 19 are IAM slots (11 Crane Crew, 7 heavy Equipment and 1 Quality Control)
For this mission, those IAM positions will be filled by other, qualified personnel, including many people from the orbiter operations crew that
executed the mate operation in California.
Post by: Pete at Edwards on 06/27/2007 02:44 am
Post by: DesertCop on 06/27/2007 03:34 am
Post by: Fred Clausen on 06/27/2007 05:05 am
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DesertCop - 26/6/2007 9:34 PM
Why must everyone refer to Dryden Flight Research Center as just "Edwards"? We have an identity. The Air Force is not doing the post flight processing, NASA IS. We are proud of our support of the Shuttle Program with over 50 landings at Dryden. Recognize us for who we are.
Because everybody, including NASA, calls it "Edwards."
Post by: DesertCop on 06/27/2007 01:17 pm
Post by: Jim on 06/27/2007 01:47 pm
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DesertCop - 26/6/2007 11:34 PM
Why must everyone refer to Dryden Flight Research Center as just "Edwards"? We have an identity. The Air Force is not doing the post flight processing, NASA IS. We are proud of our support of the Shuttle Program with over 50 landings at Dryden. Recognize us for who we are.
Live with it. The same thing happens with KSC and Cape. The locale is Edwards.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/27/2007 01:49 pm
Welcome to the site.
Post by: mkirk on 06/27/2007 02:21 pm
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mkirk - 26/6/2007 3:50 PM
Just FYI-
Current plan and schedule is to mate to SCA on Friday (i.e. be ready to leave late Friday). SCA will leave Dryden on Saturday morning.
Doesn't mean it will happen that way...
Mark Kirkman
Well it looks like the timeline has moved up - more in line with what Chris reported yesterday - with mate scheduled for late Thursday and flyout scheduled for Friday.
The weather pathfinder airplane will be the C-9 zero g training aircraft.
This is backed up by the processing notes posted in L2 as well as the NASA PAO pages.
Mark Kirkman
Post by: Namechange User on 06/27/2007 03:31 pm
Post by: James (Lockheed) on 06/27/2007 04:01 pm
Post by: johng on 06/27/2007 08:02 pm
Didn't see anything where the blanket had been pulled off.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/27/2007 08:08 pm
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johng - 27/6/2007 9:02 PM
Where? I looked.
Didn't see anything where the blanket had been pulled off.
The blanket has been removed, he's a smaller image from the L2 STS-117: Atlantis Post Flight Debris/Impacts Report.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/27/2007 08:09 pm
OV 104 turnaround activities continue
Estimate mate to SCA on Friday
Depart the FRC on Saturday pending weather
SCAPE operations complete on orbiter
Hydraulic ops on 2nd shift tonight
Tail cone installation on 1st shift Thursday
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/27/2007 10:01 pm
Post by: johng on 06/28/2007 01:40 am
The Friday flight would really be cool but right now T-storms are predicted 60-80% for Friday afternoon. Cieling 3000 feet or below. Not much better for Saturday.
If weather was any good I'd be looking to stay out at the SLF and take some pics. I don't know if I'll have the same access, but I had a pretty good angle to take pics of approaches before the mission:
Post by: DesertCop on 06/28/2007 02:43 am
Bill
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DesertCop - 27/6/2007 10:43 PM
Hi Chris. Thanks for the welcome. I'd be interested if most of the info posted here is via PAO releases. I saw mention of the SCAPE being finished and did not hear that from the Orbiter control room at Dryden. Anyway......great blog.
Bill
Blog?
"A blog (a portmanteau of web log) is a website where entries are written in chronological order and displayed in reverse chronological order. "Blog" can also be used as a verb, meaning to maintain or add content to a blog."
ref:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog
"displayed in reverse chronological order" --- no there is an order
Post by: Launch Fan on 06/28/2007 03:03 am
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DesertCop - 27/6/2007 9:43 PM
Hi Chris. Thanks for the welcome. I'd be interested if most of the info posted here is via PAO releases. I saw mention of the SCAPE being finished and did not hear that from the Orbiter control room at Dryden. Anyway......great blog.
Bill
This is not a blog site. It's a major news media site that has a forum attached to it. And PAO releases are totally boring and uninterested, so thank god this is not a site that takes that route.
Post by: hardware1197 on 06/28/2007 04:36 am
I have the following resources:
Laptop with EDVO wireless.
Scanner with all the Edwards and Dryden Freqs I could find.
Post by: pippin on 06/28/2007 08:03 am
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Avron - 28/6/2007 4:55 AM
"displayed in reverse chronological order" --- no there is an order
reverse chronological order is an order, pretty strict one, indeed (LIFO)
Post by: johng on 06/28/2007 11:19 am
Post by: haywoodfloyd on 06/28/2007 12:03 pm
Thanks.
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haywoodfloyd - 28/6/2007 2:03 PMHere: http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/STS-117/index.html
Where can I find pictures of the post processing of STS-117?
Thanks.
Post by: haywoodfloyd on 06/28/2007 01:14 pm
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DaveS - 28/6/2007 8:17 AMQuotehaywoodfloyd - 28/6/2007 2:03 PMHere: http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/STS-117/index.html
Where can I find pictures of the post processing of STS-117?
Thanks.
Thanks Dave
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/28/2007 08:51 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/28/2007 09:15 pm
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Chris Bergin - 28/6/2007 10:51 PMAny hints of an wheels up time?
Still targetting Friday - weather permitting. Still a one day trip. If it's Saturday, still a one day trip.
Post by: Joffan on 06/28/2007 09:25 pm
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/28/2007 09:31 pm
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DaveS - 28/6/2007 10:15 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 28/6/2007 10:51 PMAny hints of an wheels up time?
Still targetting Friday - weather permitting. Still a one day trip. If it's Saturday, still a one day trip.
First thing in the morning daylight. No specific time yet.
Post by: lsullivan411 on 06/28/2007 10:34 pm
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Joffan - 28/6/2007 5:25 PMDoes the expectation of arrival in the evening improve the weather chances? And if the weather does NOT run to order, is there a stop-off location en route?As with any launch or landing at KSC - the weather is always somewhat unpredictable. In summer time T-storms can pop up almost anytime in the afernoon, or evening. It really depends on winds, directions storms are going, etc. I think the SCA also has to fly at a lower altitude, so they wouldn't be able to avoid the storms as easliy as say a commercial flight would by flying around, or holding in a pattern someplace.It will be a real time call at the re-fueling stop I am sure.
Post by: Joffan on 06/28/2007 10:57 pm
Post by: GeekDaddy on 06/29/2007 03:50 am
-- Brian Foree
Austin, TX
Post by: MKremer on 06/29/2007 04:24 am
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/29/2007 02:22 pm
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/29/2007 02:27 pm
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Chris Bergin - 29/6/2007 8:22 AM
Ferry Flight doesn't look like it'll be today "based on timely resolution of the LH salad bowl issue".
I afraid that I've never heard of this one. What does that mean?
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Chris Bergin - 29/6/2007 10:22 AMFlorida Today reporting Saturday, too:
Ferry Flight doesn't look like it'll be today "based on timely resolution of the LH salad bowl issue".
http://www.floridatoday.com/floridatoday/blogs/spaceteam/2007/06/atlantis-ready-waiting-on-weather.html
Post by: DaveS on 06/29/2007 02:34 pm
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Lee Jay - 29/6/2007 4:27 PMThe "salad bowls" is where the ET aft connections are. There's a hemispherical ball connector on each side of the the aft ET struts which fits into hollow hemispheres on the orbiter in the ET umbilical wells.QuoteChris Bergin - 29/6/2007 8:22 AM
Ferry Flight doesn't look like it'll be today "based on timely resolution of the LH salad bowl issue".
I afraid that I've never heard of this one. What does that mean?
During post-flight inspections of the orbiter at DFRC, they found that the "salad bowl" on the LH2 side was damaged. They're not sure what caused this damage.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/29/2007 02:52 pm
Certainly was not "just the weather."
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psloss - 29/6/2007 3:30 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 29/6/2007 10:22 AMFlorida Today reporting Saturday, too:
Ferry Flight doesn't look like it'll be today "based on timely resolution of the LH salad bowl issue".
http://www.floridatoday.com/floridatoday/blogs/spaceteam/2007/06/atlantis-ready-waiting-on-weather.html
In fact, that's wrong on a number of counts, as Atlantis isn't even mated on top of the SCA yet.
They were looking to leave at 10am today (no idea if that's local or Eastern)
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/29/2007 03:08 pm
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DaveS - 29/6/2007 8:34 AMQuoteLee Jay - 29/6/2007 4:27 PMThe "salad bowls" is where the ET aft connections are. There's a hemispherical ball connector on each side of the the aft ET struts which fits into hollow hemispheres on the orbiter in the ET umbilical wells.QuoteChris Bergin - 29/6/2007 8:22 AM
Ferry Flight doesn't look like it'll be today "based on timely resolution of the LH salad bowl issue".
I afraid that I've never heard of this one. What does that mean?
During post-flight inspections of the orbiter at DFRC, they found that the "salad bowl" on the LH2 side was damaged. They're not sure what caused this damage.
Thanks, Dave. So, they're the "socket" portion of a "ball-and-socket" joint. I guess this acts as a spherical bearing to relieve loads and maintain alignment during ascent and while on the SCA.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/29/2007 03:19 pm
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5151
(Dave gets credit for the line on the Salad Bowls) :)
Post by: psloss on 06/29/2007 03:27 pm
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/home/
Edit: 15 minutes later or so, those links are now online.
Post by: rdale on 06/29/2007 04:18 pm
Post by: collectSPACE on 06/29/2007 04:27 pm
- the orbiter and SCA are not yet mated;
- there was a 'hydraulic issue' that is now being worked;
- they will not be leaving today but expect to leave early tomorrow morning;
- the decision as to where to touchdown along the way is not expected to be made until they are near that particular location in flight;
Post by: Rob in KC on 06/29/2007 04:34 pm
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rdale - 29/6/2007 11:18 AM
FlaToday reports that NASA confirms the shuttle is mated, and may be starting the trip at 6pm EDT this evening.
Not correct. Best to read this site for better information (and there's posts linking there, with info, above!)
Florida Today's got it badly wrong.
Post by: DaveS on 06/29/2007 04:44 pm
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Rob in KC - 29/6/2007 6:34 PMThey have a new update now made at 11:54 am EDT, which states what has already been stated here.Quoterdale - 29/6/2007 11:18 AM
FlaToday reports that NASA confirms the shuttle is mated, and may be starting the trip at 6pm EDT this evening.
Not correct. Best to read this site for better information (and there's posts linking there, with info, above!)
Florida Today's got it badly wrong.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/29/2007 04:48 pm
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collectSPACE - 29/6/2007 5:27 PM
I just got off the phone with Dryden PAO, who was happy to give an update (confirming much of what Chris reported in his article):
- the orbiter and SCA are not yet mated;
- there was a 'hydraulic issue' that is now being worked;
- they will not be leaving today but expect to leave early tomorrow morning;
- the decision as to where to touchdown along the way is not expected to be made until they are near that particular location in flight;
Thanks for this note Robert, all helps a lot.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/29/2007 05:34 pm
STS 117 / OV 104 / Edwards AFB
OV 104 turnaround
Hydraulic operations on 1st shift today
O-ring R&R is complete
QD remate and leak checks are in work at this time
Orbiter mate to SCA is is estimated for 02:00 EDT Saturday
OV 104 SCA depart from DRFR estimated 10:00 EST/ 07:00 Pacfic Saturday
OV 104 arrival at KSC estimated for noon Sunday July 1st
Post by: rdale on 06/29/2007 05:45 pm
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Rob in KC - 29/6/2007 12:34 PM
Not correct. Best to read this site for better information (and there's posts linking there, with info, above!)
Florida Today's got it badly wrong.
Don't think you can blame the paper if PAO reps at Kennedy say that the shuttle was mated and departing today... They did correct it later.
Post by: UK Shuttle Clan on 06/29/2007 07:21 pm
Post by: rdale on 06/29/2007 08:59 pm
NET 1 p.m. EDT - Live Coverage of Space Shuttle Atlantis' Ferry Flight from DFRC
(Live images of taxi and take-off. No commentary) - DFRC (Public and Media Channels)
Post by: DaveS on 06/29/2007 09:11 pm
Post by: hardware1197 on 06/29/2007 11:27 pm
Today we tooled around and found a potential good spot, verified when an F-16 took off going somewhere taking of from 04.
Thanks for any advice.
Post by: Pete at Edwards on 06/30/2007 12:04 am
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hardware1197 - 29/6/2007 6:27 PM
advised that Lancaster/Mercury might be good depending on the runway used for departure, and depending on whether the Base PD shuts it down.
Probably the best advise. Likely departing on 22.
Post by: jacqmans on 06/30/2007 05:47 am
NASA'S SHUTTLE ATLANTIS SET FOR RETURN TO KENNEDY SPACE CENTER
EDWARDS, Calif. - A week after landing at Edwards Air Force Base,
Calif., NASA's space shuttle Atlantis is about to make its
cross-country journey back to Kennedy Space Center, Fla.
Mounted on a modified Boeing 747 shuttle carrier aircraft, Atlantis is
expected to be flown back to Florida this weekend. Due to the fluid
nature of preparing Atlantis for this ferry flight and changing
weather conditions, the exact date and time of departure are still to
be determined. However, the latest information about the flight will
be available by telephone at 321-867-2525. Current flight information
also will be posted on the space shuttle's main Web site at:
http://www.nasa.gov/shuttle
NASA Television will provide live coverage of Atlantis' departure and
arrival. For NASA TV downlink, the schedule of ferry flight coverage
and streaming video information, visit:
http://www.nasa.gov/ntv
Strict flight weather restrictions may cause unexpected changes to the
flight path and arrival time of the shuttle in Florida. All media
should be at the Kennedy News Center two hours ahead of the announced
arrival time for transport to the Shuttle Landing Facility.
STS-117 media credentials will be honored. U.S. media may drive
directly to the news center, while foreign media must call the press
site at 321-867-2468 to arrange for transportation from off base. TV
stations wishing to cover the arrival live from the Shuttle Landing
Facility must have proper authorizations. Journalists must adhere to
a dress code for the landing site: no skirts, no shorts, no
sleeveless shirts, and only closed, flat shoes.
Shuttle Atlantis and its seven astronauts landed in California on June
22 after completing a 14-day mission, designated STS-117, to the
International Space Station. For more information about Atlantis'
flight or crew, visit the shuttle's main Web site.
-end-
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/30/2007 11:49 am
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5152
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/30/2007 12:18 pm
"STS 117 / OV 104 / Edwards
Turnaround ops at DFRF remain in work
Scheduled departure 1st shift Sunday
Scheduled arrival at KSC 1st shift Monday."
Waiting for more...
Post by: psloss on 06/30/2007 12:20 pm
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Takeoff time is tentatively scheduled for about 9 a.m., although it could occur slightly earlier or as late as 10 a.m. Takeoff time will be determined at a weather briefing, currently scheduled for 6 a.m. Saturday.Not sure when this was posted, but for those who want to watch live, suggest keeping an eye on NASA TV before 1 pm Eastern (10 am Pacific).
Post by: psloss on 06/30/2007 12:21 pm
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Chris Bergin - 30/6/2007 8:18 AMSounds like PAO at Dryden is going to be busy when they open this morning.
Weather might be a problem, as this is an 8am Eastern update from USA (Not Dryden):
"STS 117 / OV 104 / Edwards
Turnaround ops at DFRF remain in work
Scheduled departure 1st shift Sunday
Scheduled arrival at KSC 1st shift Monday."
Waiting for more...
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/30/2007 12:27 pm
Sounds like waiting on the weather.
Post by: psloss on 06/30/2007 12:32 pm
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Chris Bergin - 30/6/2007 8:27 AMBut then the question is: the weather where? Edwards or destination of first leg? Or...?
Source, speaking to someone actually with the SCA, says they "don't know yet, will know more later."
Sounds like waiting on the weather.
Recent observation in the Edwards area has it a little windy (230 at 13 knots), but clear.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/30/2007 12:38 pm
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psloss - 30/6/2007 1:32 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 30/6/2007 8:27 AMBut then the question is: the weather where? Edwards or destination of first leg? Or...?
Source, speaking to someone actually with the SCA, says they "don't know yet, will know more later."
Sounds like waiting on the weather.
Recent observation in the Edwards area has it a little windy (230 at 13 knots), but clear.
High winds at Dryden is the latest we're hearing. About 20 mins to weather breifing which will decide it.
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/30/2007 01:21 pm
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Chris Bergin - 30/6/2007 9:21 AMThanks...any mention of when tomorrow (I would assume around daybreak) or whether the winds may be better?
Dryden call off today due to weather. Try again tomorrow.
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psloss - 30/6/2007 2:29 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 30/6/2007 9:21 AMThanks...any mention of when tomorrow (I would assume around daybreak) or whether the winds may be better?
Dryden call off today due to weather. Try again tomorrow.
Not yet. All we have documented is that USA update. The rest has been coming from another journalist I know who has lots of contacts at Dryden.
Post by: hardware1197 on 06/30/2007 02:13 pm
Today: Sunny and hot, with a high near 100. Breezy, with a west southwest wind between 13 and 23 mph.
Sunday: Sunny and hot, with a high near 104. Breezy, with a west southwest wind between 14 and 23 mph.
Monday: Sunny and hot, with a high near 106. Breezy, with a west southwest wind between 13 and 23 mph.
Post by: starlightmaster on 06/30/2007 02:32 pm
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/30/2007 02:39 pm
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starlightmaster - 30/6/2007 3:32 PM
According to Edwards info (661-276-3520) the delay is due to a technical issue and not weather. In any case, no takeoff today!
Might be a new issue, as previous issues were cleared as of yesterday with the landing gear and salad bowl. With it being a weekend, there's no processing info being written up on the normal loops, so we'll have to see what comes via sources.
"Turnaround ops at DFRF remain in work" - from that 8am USA update might have relation to operational rather than anything else. Don't want to guess, so we'll see what we can find out.
(Welcome to the site).
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/30/2007 02:53 pm
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psloss - 30/6/2007 2:00 PM
Well, it's getting windier...last observation was 240 at 16 knots gusting to 22. Not sure what the rules are for ferry...
Cannot takeoff over 23 mph crosswind.
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Chris Bergin - 30/6/2007 10:57 AMHmm...must not be a steady state situation; the posted observations are an hour apart. Last two have winds at around 12 knots, with mostly headwind for Runway 22:Quotepsloss - 30/6/2007 2:00 PM
Well, it's getting windier...last observation was 240 at 16 knots gusting to 22. Not sure what the rules are for ferry...
Cannot takeoff over 23 mph crosswind.
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METAR KEDW 301355Z 23011KT 85SM CLR 21/11 A2997 RMK AO2A SLP100 T02130109 $
METAR KEDW 301455Z 24012KT 85SM CLR 24/11 A2998 RMK AO2A SLP104 T02420108 53011 $
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/30/2007 03:16 pm
Pilots are Gordon Fullerton and Frank Marlow out of JSC.
The SCA pilot was the pilot of STS-3 and CDR on 51F.
Post by: Jason Davies on 06/30/2007 03:20 pm
Post by: gordo on 06/30/2007 03:22 pm
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Chris Bergin - 30/6/2007 4:16 PM
Some tidbit info while we're waiting for someone to clarify the exact nature of this technical issue.
Pilots are Gordon Fullerton and Frank Marlow out of JSC.
The SCA pilot was the pilot of STS-3 and CDR on 51F.
.......and of course Fullerton was inside Enterprise when it performed the ALT flights off the back of the SCA. Bet you he's love to fly the girl for one final time....save the de-mate efforts :laugh:
Post by: rdale on 06/30/2007 03:39 pm
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Chris Bergin - 30/6/2007 10:53 AM
Plan is to takeoff at 530am PST tomorrow - Dryden PAO. Nothing on the technical issue.
Assume you meant 530a PDT? That'd be 830a EDT / 1230Z.
Post by: DaveS on 06/30/2007 04:49 pm
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rdale - 30/6/2007 5:39 PMWith live coverage on NASA TV starting 15 minutes prior to takeoff.QuoteChris Bergin - 30/6/2007 10:53 AM
Plan is to takeoff at 530am PST tomorrow - Dryden PAO. Nothing on the technical issue.
Assume you meant 530a PDT? That'd be 830a EDT / 1230Z.
Post by: shuttlefan on 06/30/2007 05:47 pm
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Chris Bergin - 30/6/2007 10:16 AM
Some tidbit info while we're waiting for someone to clarify the exact nature of this technical issue.
Pilots are Gordon Fullerton and Frank Marlow out of JSC.
The SCA pilot was the pilot of STS-3 and CDR on 51F.
I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but, just to verify, does anyone ride in the orbiter during the ferry flights?
Post by: Flightstar on 06/30/2007 05:50 pm
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shuttlefan - 30/6/2007 12:47 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 30/6/2007 10:16 AM
Some tidbit info while we're waiting for someone to clarify the exact nature of this technical issue.
Pilots are Gordon Fullerton and Frank Marlow out of JSC.
The SCA pilot was the pilot of STS-3 and CDR on 51F.
I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but, just to verify, does anyone ride in the orbiter during the ferry flights?
No.
Post by: northanger on 06/30/2007 10:07 pm
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northanger - 30/6/2007 12:07 AMNo. And there's two SCA's, N905NA and N911NA. 905 was the original SCA purchased for the Shuttle program from American Airlines. 911 was bought due advicement from the Roger's Commission from Japan Airlines and was used to ferry Endeavour from Palmdale to KSC.
don't laugh. does that 747 have a name?
Post by: northanger on 06/30/2007 10:21 pm
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DaveS - 30/6/2007 5:11 PM
And there's two SCA's, N905NA and N911NA.
Thanks DaveS. Which one?
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northanger - 1/7/2007 12:21 AMIf you mean which one will be used for the ferry flight this time, it's N905NA. NASA has decided to put N911NA in a "flyable storage" state for the remainder of the program.QuoteDaveS - 30/6/2007 5:11 PM
And there's two SCA's, N905NA and N911NA.
Thanks DaveS. Which one?
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DaveS - 30/6/2007 5:32 PMQuotenorthanger - 1/7/2007 12:21 AMIf you mean which one will be used for the ferry flight this time, it's N905NA. NASA has decided to put N911NA in a "flyable storage" state for the remainder of the program.QuoteDaveS - 30/6/2007 5:11 PM
And there's two SCA's, N905NA and N911NA.
Thanks DaveS. Which one?
Exactly what I meant, thanks for answering.
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MarkD - 1/7/2007 12:54 AMNo.
any new photos of Atlantis at Edwards?
And here's the official explanation to what caused today's scrub:
Technical issues related to mounting of Space Shuttle Atlantis atop its modified Boeing 747 carrier aircraft Friday night forced a one-day slip in the shuttle's departure from Edwards Air Force Base on the first leg of its ferry flight back to the Kennedy Space Center.
Shuttle officials advised that although Atlantis was soft-mated on the three supports atop the modified 747 Friday night, difficulties with proper alignment slowed final lockdown, forcing the one-day slip in schedule. As it stands now, the ferry flight departure will not occur until at least early Sunday morning, July 1, with takeoff no earlier than 5:30 a.m. Pacific time. The actual time of departure will be determined after a weather briefing early Sunday morning.
From www.dfrc.nasa.gov.
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STS Tony - 1/7/2007 4:35 AM
Do we know if Atlantis was successfully mated on the SCA for Sunday's trip?
I've not seen anything, but I've been out most of the evening/night due to you-know-what over here so catching up :angry: Will update if we hear anything.
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STS Tony - 30/6/2007 8:35 PM Do we know if Atlantis was successfully mated on the SCA for Sunday's trip?
One of my brothers drove down to Edwards AFB this afternoon to check out Atlantis on his binoculars, and told me it's now mated to the SCA (he was still too far from the main base to take good enough pictures of the orbiter...even with zoom lens). It's ready to go back to FLA tomorrow. :cool:
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rdale - 30/6/2007 10:23 PM
Unless the SCA isn't like a normal aircraft -- it'll land on the runway that has the most headwind.
That's obvious, thus the question about when winds aren't an issue. They are forecast to be light crosswind with very little component down the runway.
Post by: DaveS on 07/01/2007 11:06 am
NASA TV coverage will start at 8:15 am EDT, with take-off scheduled for 8:30 am EDT.
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NET 8:15 a.m. – Live Coverage of Space Shuttle Atlantis' Ferry Flight from DFRC (Live images of taxi and take-off. No commentary) - DRFC (Public and Media Channels)
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haywoodfloyd - 1/7/2007 7:41 AM
Will it be shown on NASA TV?
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Breaking.html
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haywoodfloyd - 1/7/2007 2:41 PMYes. See the listing above.
Will it be shown on NASA TV?
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/01/2007 12:44 pm
Engines running.
Takeoff will be on Runway 22.
Winds out of WNW at 11 to 12 kts.
patherfinder flight taxiing
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C9 - Pathfinder flight is taxiing now.
747 - Engines running
Pathfinder flight hopes to takeoff on Runway 22 in minutes.
Winds out of WNW at 11 to 12 kts.
Shuttle Carrier Aircraft hopes to takeoff at 6am PDT, 9am Eastern.
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Also, is there any word yet on whether they expect the ferry flight to take 1 or 2 days?
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mkirk - 1/7/2007 7:54 AM
I see it is taxing by a real airplane - the C-5...my current ride.
Mark Kirkman
Looks a bit like a RAF Hercules? Similar?
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psloss - 1/7/2007 7:57 AM
See it passing a C-17 now, too...and the control tower...
C-17s, known as Barney's, wish they were real airplanes like Fred - the nickname for the C-5.
I am sure they envy the 747 as well.
Mark Kirkman
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http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA932
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http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA905
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Zachstar - 1/7/2007 2:07 PM
View starting to degrade but great so far!
Hey, thanks for the great screenshots Zachstar. You're really quick! :)
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ShuttleDiscovery - 1/7/2007 8:11 AM
End of coverage!
Yep :( Could have shown more! Gah
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Post by: haywoodfloyd on 07/01/2007 01:15 pm
That SCA really thunders down the runway.
Almost as exciting as a launch.
Anyone know where/when the next stop is and will NASA TV be carrying it?
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USFJoseph - 1/7/2007 8:12 AM
? -- FlightAware is showing an flightplan of only FL150 -- is this normal? Seems a bit low...
Yes, that is the normal altitude for ferry flights and that is why weather is such an issue because they are flying at the altitude of typical buildups and must steer around them.
Mark Kirkman
Post by: mrpoptop on 07/01/2007 01:17 pm
What do all of those abreviations stand for?
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haywoodfloyd - 1/7/2007 3:15 PMNext stop is planned for Rick Husband Amarillo Intl. in TX. And NASA TV will not broadcast that as I doubt there's any good long-range tracking cameras on a commercial airport.
Anyone know where/when the next stop is and will NASA TV be carrying it?
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Chris Bergin - 1/7/2007 2:12 PM
Recorded it to video (10mb) and will place on the video section now for anyone that missed it.
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=8641
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mrpoptop - 1/7/2007 9:17 AM looking at the flight plan on FlightAware it shows: HEC EED DRK ZUN ABQ TCC PNH. What do all of those abreviations stand for? jayson
That is the VOR's (VORTACs) that the flight will take aka the flight plan.
HEC - HECTOR (HECTOR, CA)
EED - NEEDLES (NEEDLES, CA)
DRK - DRAKE (PRESCOTT, AZ)
ZUN - ZUNI (ZUNI PUEBLO, NM)
ABQ - ALBUQUERQUE (ALBUQUERQUE, NM)
TCC - TUCUMCARI (TUCUMCARI, NM)
PNH - PANHANDLE (AMARILLO, TX)
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Zachstar - 1/7/2007 2:21 PM
30 miles so far! You know with cameras getting as small as they are and requiring only so much bandwith I'm surprised NASA hasnt put a few on the SCA to let us watch as she heads east.
That would be really good! :)
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mrpoptop - 1/7/2007 8:17 AM
looking at the flight plan on FlightAware it shows: HEC EED DRK ZUN ABQ TCC PNH.
What do all of those abreviations stand for?
jayson
Those are the abbreviations/identifiers for the various navigational fixes along the route of flight. The 3 letter identifiers are for NAVAIDs such as the VOR/TACAN. Numbers with V or J in front of them depict jet or victor airways, and 5 letter identifiers are normally radial intersections. Typically they use VORs & TACANs, radial intersections, and other airfields as the fixes.
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Zachstar - 1/7/2007 3:21 PMThen you need receiving stations on the ground that can receive the radio signals from those cameras.
30 miles so far! You know with cameras getting as small as they are and requiring only so much bandwith I'm surprised NASA hasnt put a few on the SCA to let us watch as she heads east.
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DaveS - 1/7/2007 2:25 PMQuoteZachstar - 1/7/2007 3:21 PMThen you need receiving stations on the ground that can receive the radio signals from those cameras.
30 miles so far! You know with cameras getting as small as they are and requiring only so much bandwith I'm surprised NASA hasnt put a few on the SCA to let us watch as she heads east.
Thats the only downside of it all. oh well, looking forwad to seeing Atlantis back at KSC very soon!
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mrpoptop - 1/7/2007 8:23 AM
So with a stop in Amarillo for refueling, where would the next stop be after that?
I'm not sure if they can "one hop" it from there to the Cape...it would depend on winds and weather. If fuel is needed the best guess for stops - weather along the route being the biggest factor - would be Tyndall (Florida), Eglin (Florida), Warner Robins (Georgia), Moody ? (also in Georgia but I don't recall if the runway length is enough).
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Post by: USFJoseph on 07/01/2007 01:33 pm
Courtesty of fltplan.com
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I would not bet on anything until they land at AMA, get gas, and review the weather.
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Post by: Zachstar on 07/01/2007 01:51 pm
712 or 2hr 6min to go!
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haywoodfloyd - 1/7/2007 4:00 PMJust like it should be as it flies weather reconn for the SCA.
Looks like the C9 is flying about 100 miles ahead of the SCA.
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USFJoseph - 1/7/2007 9:23 AMVery Route 66/Interstate 40-ish. :)That is the VOR's (VORTACs) that the flight will take aka the flight plan.
HEC - HECTOR (HECTOR, CA)
EED - NEEDLES (NEEDLES, CA)
DRK - DRAKE (PRESCOTT, AZ)
ZUN - ZUNI (ZUNI PUEBLO, NM)
ABQ - ALBUQUERQUE (ALBUQUERQUE, NM)
TCC - TUCUMCARI (TUCUMCARI, NM)
PNH - PANHANDLE (AMARILLO, TX)
Post by: Zachstar on 07/01/2007 02:24 pm
504 to go!
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Over New Mexico now!
409 Miles to go...
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spacequestioner - 1/7/2007 10:44 AM
http://www.fboweb.com posted a note on its top page so users will track the SCA
Great tip!
Love the Google Earth option... very cool.
Post by: Zachstar on 07/01/2007 02:56 pm
310 Miles left!
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Zachstar - 1/7/2007 4:11 PM
Looks like flightaware just junked out. Says it landed in the middle of nowhere. :bleh:
I think I've still got it!
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ShuttleDiscovery - 1/7/2007 10:20 AM
19 mins to go according to flight aware...
Thats the pathfinder :o
The SCA isnt shown on flight aware currently and on fboweb it shows 30 mins.
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Chris Bergin - 1/7/2007 5:15 PMAnd with that I quote SCA Flight Engineer Larry LaRose: "You don't sneak into town with an orbiter," it brings out a big crowd everywhere we go. It's a life experience for a lot of folks who have never seen something like this before."
TV people working to get video. KETV - NBC trying to get a camera there.
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sprtnsky - 1/7/2007 10:28 AM
looks like it is back in the air again!
Its been in the air for hours now. Umm ya :o
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Zachstar - 1/7/2007 4:24 PMQuoteShuttleDiscovery - 1/7/2007 10:20 AM
19 mins to go according to flight aware...
Thats the pathfinder :o
The SCA isnt shown on flight aware currently and on fboweb it shows 30 mins.
Oh, sorry! :)
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RHAnthony - 1/7/2007 11:27 AM
Anyone vid cap it? waiting for it to hit youtube. NASA tv isn't replaying it fast enough for me to be happy ;)
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=8641
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Anyone know of a camera on the SCA exterior or interior that is used, and if any recordings of those views would ever be available?
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RHAnthony - 1/7/2007 5:41 PMThere's no cameras whatsoever on the SCAs, either inside or outside.
I would think they could at least record some inflight video from the inside of the SCA cockpit, or the outside looking at various angles. I would imagine they have some kind of video of the connection spots so they can check them every once in a while at least, right?
Anyone know of a camera on the SCA exterior or interior that is used, and if any recordings of those views would ever be available?
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/01/2007 03:46 pm
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Post by: Zachstar on 07/01/2007 03:46 pm
In flight wireless system with a laptop getting the video. A system to get it transmitted live can be devised later.
Of course such a mod is rather pointless with the amount of flights the SCA will do with a shuttle is limited and over in 2010.
Post by: RHAnthony on 07/01/2007 03:48 pm
No cameras? Wow, that seems odd. Seems like nasa would want to document EVERYTHING. Oh well... if it was MY nasa... ;)
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If nothing else I would think the extra few thousand to scamble a photo op flight would be worth it...
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RHAnthony - 1/7/2007 5:49 PMNo.
Any chance they'll have a chase plane anywhere near it on this trip with a camera?
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sprtnsky - 1/7/2007 10:58 AM
NASA TV is experiencing technical difficulties on Dish Network :angry:
It is not just dish. Seems the entire feed junked out. :o
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Zachstar - 1/7/2007 6:00 PMProbably some problems at GSFC which is where NASA TV is broadcast from.Quotesprtnsky - 1/7/2007 10:58 AM
NASA TV is experiencing technical difficulties on Dish Network :angry:
It is not just dish. Seems the entire feed junked out. :o
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http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2539&Itemid=2
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Zachstar - 1/7/2007 5:56 PMIndeed. Track it here: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA902
A NASA T-38 is on its way to KAMA. Will be there in a hour and a half.
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Takeoff from AMA at around 12:45 ish central time. The 38 will be right behind it and the C-9.
Mark Kirkman
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mkirk - 1/7/2007 11:24 AM
It looks like the folks in Nebraska will get to look after her overnight.
Mark Kirkman
Will they put the two inside a big hanger overnight?
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DaveS - 1/7/2007 11:01 AMQuoteZachstar - 1/7/2007 6:00 PMProbably some problems at GSFC which is where NASA TV is broadcast from.Quotesprtnsky - 1/7/2007 10:58 AM
NASA TV is experiencing technical difficulties on Dish Network :angry:
It is not just dish. Seems the entire feed junked out. :o
Odds are whoever is in charge of the broadcast at GSFC is off for the weekend- this is really a junk broadcast, similar to the landing broadcast problems
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Martin FL - 1/7/2007 12:05 PMQuotemkirk - 1/7/2007 11:24 AM
It looks like the folks in Nebraska will get to look after her overnight.
Mark Kirkman
Will they put the two inside a big hanger overnight?
I was wondering that too but couldn't get any googled images of previous stopovers.
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STSFan10 - 1/7/2007 6:09 PMQuoteMartin FL - 1/7/2007 12:05 PMQuotemkirk - 1/7/2007 11:24 AM
It looks like the folks in Nebraska will get to look after her overnight.
Mark Kirkman
Will they put the two inside a big hanger overnight?
I was wondering that too but couldn't get any googled images of previous stopovers.
Unless it was one very tall hanger. Ain't so.
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RHAnthony - 1/7/2007 6:12 PM
We're on an internal feed of the NASA channels so it's coming in fine here. I'll see if I can track down the JPL video guys and see if they can catch any fun stuff and encode it for me to repost.
Thanks, although I don't think they'll be showing anything interesting anyway ;)
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RHAnthony - 1/7/2007 12:12 PM
We're on an internal feed of the NASA channels so it's coming in fine here. I'll see if I can track down the JPL video guys and see if they can catch any fun stuff and encode it for me to repost.
Hey- we're space buffs- we'll take anything that anyone wants to post concerning spaceflight.
One lesson NASA has NEVER learned, however, is that they get way more milage from what is sent via their OUTSIDE feeds.
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Chris Bergin - 1/7/2007 1:49 PMYeah, typical of SCA stops over the years.
KVII claim to have video of SCA and Atlantis approaching airport and taxing.
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Post by: Zachstar on 07/01/2007 06:17 pm
1 hour 36 mins to go!
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Post by: mkirk on 07/01/2007 06:33 pm
If they can skirt around the weather and get significantly closer to the Cape today the will do so.
We'll just have to see what the weather looks like when they get to Offutt.
Mark Kirkman
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mkirk - 1/7/2007 2:33 PMHave they gone this far north before? Maybe Rob can lend an eye to this, but looking at the radar, it seems like the clearest path would be to stay north today.
Staying at Offutt AFB overnight, while likely, is still not a done deal.
If they can skirt around the weather and get significantly closer to the Cape today the will do so.
We'll just have to see what the weather looks like when they get to Offutt.
Mark Kirkman
Post by: daveglo on 07/01/2007 06:49 pm
http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/index_lite.php
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spacequestioner - 1/7/2007 10:44 AM
http://www.fboweb.com posted a note on its top page so users will track the SCA
I just wanted to reiterate what a neat utility this is. You can load up all three flights in to Google Earth at the same time if you want :)
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daveglo - 1/7/2007 2:49 PMYeah, the question is whether they'd go east today from Omaha to a place like Wright-Patterson in Ohio (and whether something like that makes sense weather-wise and other-wise).
WX for the route from Offutt to southeast looks rotten today. Here's a link to see for yourself:
http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/index_lite.php
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psloss - 1/7/2007 2:48 PM
Have they gone this far north before? Maybe Rob can lend an eye to this, but looking at the radar, it seems like the clearest path would be to stay north today.
It's camped out overnight in Ft. Campbell KY before. It goes wherever the weather will allow it.
Post by: Zachstar on 07/01/2007 07:06 pm
218 Miles to go!
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Speedracer - 1/7/2007 3:00 PMI would think that's within reason -- they could certainly keep going north, but that also takes them farther away from KSC.
It's camped out overnight in Ft. Campbell KY before. It goes wherever the weather will allow it.
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leetdan - 1/7/2007 7:50 PMQuotespacequestioner - 1/7/2007 10:44 AM
http://www.fboweb.com posted a note on its top page so users will track the SCA
I just wanted to reiterate what a neat utility this is. You can load up all three flights in to Google Earth at the same time if you want :)
That is very cool.
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134 Miles!
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RHAnthony - 1/7/2007 8:42 PM
If anyone finds links to video on these news sites, please post here.
Yep, good call. Someone somewhere is going to get this landing, there's TONS of media and people waiting for her arrival. Great level of interest, which is awesome to hear.
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http://www.action3news.com/
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hond - 1/7/2007 9:21 PM
Live interview with some of flight crew on Omaha Action3 news webpage.
http://www.action3news.com/
Excellent (welcome to the site).
That's Leroy Cain (Flight Director - with the shades) and Mr Fullerton.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/01/2007 08:30 pm
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Post by: Jim on 07/01/2007 08:53 pm
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RHAnthony - 1/7/2007 11:49 AM
I just figured they would have had this from before, even back at the approach and landing test phase... but I guess they used chase planes for that. Any chance they'll have a chase plane anywhere near it on this trip with a camera?
If nothing else I would think the extra few thousand to scamble a photo op flight would be worth it...
Why? They have enough file footage
Post by: Jim on 07/01/2007 08:53 pm
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RHAnthony - 1/7/2007 11:48 AM
I have a feeling I'm gonna have this thread on refresh my entire 12 hour shift here at work :P
No cameras? Wow, that seems odd. Seems like nasa would want to document EVERYTHING. Oh well... if it was MY nasa... ;)
There is no need to document it
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/01/2007 08:57 pm
Post by: psloss on 07/01/2007 09:08 pm
And for some reason, I could really use a spa. :)
Post by: Zachstar on 07/01/2007 09:12 pm
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Jim - 1/7/2007 3:53 PMQuoteRHAnthony - 1/7/2007 11:48 AM
I have a feeling I'm gonna have this thread on refresh my entire 12 hour shift here at work :P
No cameras? Wow, that seems odd. Seems like nasa would want to document EVERYTHING. Oh well... if it was MY nasa... ;)
There is no need to document it
While there is no technical reason to put cameras on the SCA the PR value of having them greatly exceeds the cost and problems associated with setting up a system. Had this been 1998 or something.
While there is no use installing a camera system now. There is a need for NASA to "up" it's public access to its many ground cameras and work to greatly improve vision capabilities on the next generation craft. They are making video cameras now that are around the size of a thumb and by the time major systems are installed on the CEV they will be even smaller.
For the SCA a simple wireless system transmitting to a laptop can gain great views that can simply be saved onto a large harddisk which is removed and processed at KSC. But such mods will need time that is better spent on other areas ATM.
Post by: RHAnthony on 07/01/2007 09:13 pm
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Jim - 1/7/2007 4:53 PMCan't disagree technically, but I think in a forum like this, everyone is going to draw the line about where "enough" video is differently.
There is no need to document it
Post by: RHAnthony on 07/01/2007 09:34 pm
again... if it was MY nasa :P but it's not.
Post by: nathan.moeller on 07/01/2007 09:36 pm
Post by: Lee Jay on 07/01/2007 09:41 pm
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nathan.moeller - 1/7/2007 3:36 PM
Funny how they said the wing was damaged.
Other than not knowing the difference between a wing and an OMS pod, I thought they actually did pretty well.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/01/2007 09:41 pm
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nathan.moeller - 1/7/2007 10:36 PM
Funny how they said the wing was damaged. Just another example of the news trying to make things sound much worse than they really are. Thermal blanket yes. But let's get the location correct.
Yeah, that was a boo boo, but otherwise they did really well. Got to remember these are anchor talking heads and wouldn't of gotten much notice to russle up some facts.
Post by: Jim on 07/01/2007 09:45 pm
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RHAnthony - 1/7/2007 5:34 PM
I would just think they would take every opportunity to document major operations, so that in the event of any failures or operational errors, they can deconstruct the nature of the event. I would think the attention they give to the shuttle on the way up, would be given as well to it's maintenance and transport on the ground and in the ferry flights is all.
again... if it was MY nasa :P but it's not.
There is a black box on the SCA. Ferry flights are benign
Post by: leetdan on 07/01/2007 10:07 pm
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/STS-117/index.html
Post by: mkirk on 07/01/2007 10:16 pm
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Chris Bergin - 1/7/2007 3:26 PMQuotehond - 1/7/2007 9:21 PM
Live interview with some of flight crew on Omaha Action3 news webpage.
http://www.action3news.com/
Excellent (welcome to the site).
That's Leroy Cain (Flight Director - with the shades) and Mr Fullerton.
That is not Gordo (Fullerton) standing with Leroy, that is Bill Mumme...best I can tell from the image. Mumme is one of the STA, SCA, T-38, C-9/C-135 pilots out of Ellington.
Mark Kirkman
Post by: mkirk on 07/01/2007 10:20 pm
The weekend anchor called it a "long and expensive journey home" the anchor then spent the rest of the 15 seconds quoting the cost...he never managed to give that price tag any context in terms of overall operational costs and the fact that landing at Edwards was the safe and ultimately cost effectve thing to do...
I guess my biased 2 cents is spilling over...
Mark Kirkman
Post by: collectSPACE on 07/01/2007 10:20 pm
http://spotted.amarillo.com/pages/gallery.php?gallery=387838
http://media.amarillo.com/videos/videoHolder.php?mov=spaceshuttle070107.flv
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/01/2007 10:33 pm
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mkirk - 1/7/2007 11:16 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 1/7/2007 3:26 PMQuotehond - 1/7/2007 9:21 PM
Live interview with some of flight crew on Omaha Action3 news webpage.
http://www.action3news.com/
Excellent (welcome to the site).
That's Leroy Cain (Flight Director - with the shades) and Mr Fullerton.
That is not Gordo (Fullerton) standing with Leroy, that is Bill Mumme...best I can tell from the image. Mumme is one of the STA, SCA, T-38, C-9/C-135 pilots out of Ellington.
Mark Kirkman
Ah right. Thanks Mark.
Post by: SpaceNutz SA on 07/01/2007 10:50 pm
Does anone have any detailed info on the modifications to the SCA?
Is there any monitoring of the Shuttle during flight?
How many flight crew on the SCA?
What is in the cabin of the SCA (ie: where the people normally sit)?
Post by: Jim on 07/01/2007 11:13 pm
3-4 flight crew
cabin is empty
SCA mods can be found by doing an internet search
Post by: zerm on 07/01/2007 11:33 pm
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zerm - 2/7/2007 1:33 AMThe cost esitimate that I have seen for this particular ferry flight is $1.7 million.
Does anyone here have a realistic estimate of what the cost of moving Atlantis back to KSC is? I'd really like to take those figures and feed them back the World Snooze Tonight in my cartoon strip this week.
Post by: Mark Max Q on 07/01/2007 11:50 pm
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zerm - 1/7/2007 6:33 PM
Does anyone here have a realistic estimate of what the cost of moving Atlantis back to KSC is? I'd really like to take those figures and feed them back the World Snooze Tonight in my cartoon strip this week.
Go get them. Compared to NASA's budget, it's pocket money anyway!
Post by: rdale on 07/02/2007 12:12 am
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Chris Bergin - 1/7/2007 4:38 PM
Leroy noted that they are checking on the weather with a depature of either early tomorrow or the day after (weather latest anyone?)
Nothing changing the next few days in the southeast... Typical summer pattern with showers and storms popping up just about anywhere at anytime, but as usual concentrated in the afternoon and evening.
Post by: MKremer on 07/02/2007 12:55 am
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RHAnthony - 1/7/2007 4:34 PMThat can be detailed through the SCA instrumentation/sensors. It's not like an orbiter is going to suddenly fall off or fall apart (if it can go through liftoff and ascent attached to an ET, being attached atop the SCA at fairly low speeds and gentle takeoffs/landings is a piece of cake).
I would just think they would take every opportunity to document major operations, so that in the event of any failures or operational errors, they can deconstruct the nature of the event. I would think the attention they give to the shuttle on the way up, would be given as well to it's maintenance and transport on the ground and in the ferry flights is all.
again... if it was MY nasa :P but it's not.
There's already plenty of PAO pics and videos of previous ferry flight takeoffs, in-flight, and landings. Adding additional megabytes to gigabytes of more of the same just isn't worth the additional resources/costs, IMO.
(Sure, it'd be great for all us space/Shuttle geeks, but we aren't the ones having to do the necessary stuff (and there's *lots* of necessary needed planning and hardware/comm/interfacing 'stuff' to get all of what you're proposing accomplished) just so a limited # of people can be made happy.)
Post by: spacequestioner on 07/02/2007 01:54 am
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Post by: jcm on 07/02/2007 04:13 am
What I don't have more many of the flights is whether NASA 905 or 911 was used in a particular
instance - does anyone know a good source for this?
The list is appended as a PDF - let me know of any mistakes you find.
- Jonathan
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 07/02/2007 06:58 am
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jcm - 2/7/2007 5:13 AM
I've tried to put together a list of SCA flights which carried Shuttle Orbiters.
What I don't have more many of the flights is whether NASA 905 or 911 was used in a particular
instance - does anyone know a good source for this?
The list is appended as a PDF - let me know of any mistakes you find.
- Jonathan
Thanks for that jcm!
Not sure about the 905/911 flying instances. Well 905 is the only one being used now as 911 is in 'flyable condition' storage.
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jcm - 1/7/2007 12:13 AMThere are a couple of resources that can help fill that in.
I've tried to put together a list of SCA flights which carried Shuttle Orbiters.
What I don't have more many of the flights is whether NASA 905 or 911 was used in a particular
instance - does anyone know a good source for this?
The list is appended as a PDF - let me know of any mistakes you find.
- Jonathan
First is Jenkins, 3rd Edition, which goes up through STS-92.
Second is the "green book," which goes up through STS-93, but doesn't have SCA tails:
http://www.spaceflight.nasa.gov/shuttle/reference/green/
And then for remaining holes, you might look at the KSC online archives to see if stops are mentioned...I can't do this from my current location (odd core router problems), but I'll see about info that I wouldn't be regurgitating later.
Post by: johng on 07/02/2007 10:26 am
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johng - 2/7/2007 11:26 AM
Local news is saying no flight today. But then they said the stop at Offut was an unplanned weather stop. Can anyone confirm?
Waiting for it to be documented or direct from sources.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/02/2007 10:47 am
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Post by: SpaceNutz SA on 07/02/2007 11:32 am
Will the next hop from here be to Kennedy??
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/02/2007 11:45 am
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Post by: ItsyAndy on 07/02/2007 12:42 pm
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The 747 carrying Atlantis back to the Kennedy Space Center is expected to fly out of Offutt Air Force Base between 8:00 A.M. and 9:00 A.M. this morning. Watch the take-off live on action3news.com and on Action 3 News.
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Chris Bergin - 2/7/2007 2:01 PM
Atlantis will make one stop before KSC. No word of where yet.
Fort Campbell (like mentioned above) and then KSC or even one more stop in between?
Post by: DaveS on 07/02/2007 12:50 pm
Post by: ArielGold on 07/02/2007 12:54 pm
Rolling out now!
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Post by: mkirk on 07/02/2007 12:57 pm
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spacequestioner - 1/7/2007 8:54 PM
Frank Marlow moved over to the C-9 and David Mumme & Jeff Moultrie took control of the SCA. David was the pilot for the second leg.
Thanks for posting that, I don't know why I called David Mumme, Bill in my post yesterday - It must have been some sort of Freudian slip (Bill Mummy from "Lost in Space" verses David Mumme). Oh well...
Mark Kirkman
Post by: Lee Jay on 07/02/2007 12:57 pm
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Lee Jay - 2/7/2007 7:57 AM
According to FlightAware, the destination is Campbell Aaf (Fort Campbell) (KHOP).
Yes, to be clear that is the destination! For some reason there seems to be some doubt in the thread on this.
The plan is to get gas and check the weather before pressing on to the Cape.
MarK Kirkman
Post by: Lee Jay on 07/02/2007 01:03 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 07/02/2007 01:19 pm
Alt: 15,000 Feet
Speed: 329 kts
106 Miles
441 to go
Post by: johng on 07/02/2007 01:38 pm
Eyeballs at the Cape(mine) show typical morning, lots of low clouds that I'd expect to raise to 2-4K before too long. Also a layer of high clouds at 12K+. Unlike Friday there are no cells visible in the area, and no obvious vertical (thermal) activity in the clouds, yet. If they can keep moving and get here before heating effects take over, should be good weather here.
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spacequestioner - 2/7/2007 8:54 AM
St. Louis affiliates trying to get a shot of the flyby. Local Nashville affiliates heading to the base. Those are WSMV, WKRN, WTVF. Unknown if they'll show it live. At the least, they will get video, and run it in later newscasts and possibly online.
Great going! Thanks for giving heads up to these news stations! It REALLY aids interest in spaceflight!
Hope we can see these station broadcast video!
Post by: Zachstar on 07/02/2007 02:00 pm
http://www.wsmv.com/index.html
http://www.wkrn.com/
http://www.newschannel5.com/
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44 Mins away from SCA Land
225 Miles to go!
Post by: rdale on 07/02/2007 02:01 pm
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rdale - 2/7/2007 10:01 AMWhat does it look like for routes from Ft. Campbell south?
KSC's weather actually looking worse than yesterday... Storms are already offshore, and there's an increased potential for severe weather in the area this afternoon and evening. Excessive lightning and even the potential for hail exists (some small hail reported in the region Sunday.)
Post by: spacequestioner on 07/02/2007 02:32 pm
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psloss - 2/7/2007 10:28 AM
What does it look like for routes from Ft. Campbell south?
Right now it's pretty good, so the sooner they get off the ground the better the odds. But once afternoon kicks in, conditions go bad in a hurry...
Post by: Speedracer on 07/02/2007 03:02 pm
Too bad they can't fly a tad further east towards me. Would love to get a good look as they fly over.
Post by: Chandonn on 07/02/2007 03:03 pm
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Chandonn - 2/7/2007 11:03 AM
How long does it typically take to refuel?
They have to wait for the Credit card to clear...unless they put it in as a debit...
Post by: Bubbinski on 07/02/2007 03:14 pm
Seriously, didn't the SCA spend a couple of hours in Amarillo before taking off for Omaha? Also, do the pilots get out and stretch their legs, get a cup of coffee, get a weather briefing?
Post by: rdale on 07/02/2007 03:16 pm
Post by: Chandonn on 07/02/2007 03:19 pm
EDIT: hmmm... the original story is the same, only the headline is different...
the original headline talked about Atlantis heading "For" Kentucky...
Source: http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/8281437.html
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Bubbinski - 2/7/2007 11:14 AM
LOL! "And, sorry, sir, your credit card is declined."
Seriously, didn't the SCA spend a couple of hours in Amarillo before taking off for Omaha? Also, do the pilots get out and stretch their legs, get a cup of coffee, get a weather briefing?
... and a potty break!
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Chandonn - 2/7/2007 11:19 AM
Ok, one of my local news sources is reporting Atlantis has taken off after refueling at Fort Campbell... If true, I hope she took the SCA with her...
EDIT: hmmm... the original story is the same, only the headline is different...
Source: http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/8281437.html
Still on the ground in Ft. Campbell according to FBOWeb.
I would think they'd have to enter a flight plan before taking off. How long would it take FBOWeb to update once a flight plan is entered?
Post by: rdale on 07/02/2007 03:26 pm
NASA902 T38 Ellington Field (KEFD) 11:30 13:06
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Speedracer - 2/7/2007 11:25 AM
Still on the ground in Ft. Campbell according to FBOWeb.
I would think they'd have to enter a flight plan before taking off. How long would it take FBOWeb to update once a flight plan is entered?
I believe you can check archives if you're a member of that site -- you could look up when the AMA-OFF flight plan was entered in relation to when it arrived.
Post by: rdale on 07/02/2007 03:31 pm
- KSC today
- Go to North Carolina tonight and KSC via the ocean tomorrow morning
- Stay in KY tonight and go to KSC tomorrow morning
http://www.floridatoday.com/floridatoday/blogs/spaceteam/
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Still on the ground in Ft. Campbell according to FBOWeb.
I would think they'd have to enter a flight plan before taking off. How long would it take FBOWeb to update once a flight plan is entered?
I believe you can check archives if you're a member of that site -- you could look up when the AMA-OFF flight plan was entered in relation to when it arrived.
Thanks, but I was referring to the next leg after Ft. Campbell. :)
I assume within a few minutes/hours, and with the interest in this particular flight, it would be quicker.
I'm hoping for a trek towards NC if it has to go overnight somewhere. It would fly almost overhead of my location (Knoxville).
Post by: spacequestioner on 07/02/2007 03:46 pm
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rdale - 2/7/2007 11:31 AM
Options per Florida Today's interview of the KSC weather office:
- KSC today
- Go to North Carolina tonight and KSC via the ocean tomorrow morning
- Stay in KY tonight and go to KSC tomorrow morning
http://www.floridatoday.com/floridatoday/blogs/spaceteam/
From the blog:
"It's probably aviation's most weather-sensitive mission," said John Madura, manager of the KSC weather office. "It's very unlikely they would try to boogie down here late this afternoon."
I take it "boogie" is a NASA acronym I have yet to hear...
Basic Observation Of Getting It Expedited?
Post by: gocamels on 07/02/2007 03:58 pm
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spacequestioner - 2/7/2007 12:04 PMThat sounds like it could do with some clarification or context as they've stopped in Georgia and the Florida panhandle in the past and those would seemingly "qualify."
From NASA PAO with plane: No SCA landing sites between KY and KSC.
(Today, the weather probably isn't so good.)
Post by: gocamels on 07/02/2007 04:19 pm
RAH discussion:
.AVIATION /14Z MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY/...
MOSTLY ALTOCUMULUS AND CIRRUS LEVEL CEILINGS EXPECTED THROUGH THE
PERIOD. SCATTERED CLOUDS NEAR 7000 FEET WILL BEGIN TO ADVANCE INTO
CENTRAL NORTH CAROLINA BEFORE DAWN. BROKEN CEILINGS AT 7000 FEET AT
TIMES ARE NOT FORECAST TO BE PERSISTENT. MVFR VISIBILITIES POSSIBLE
MAINLY EAST OF HIGHWAY ONE UNTIL SHORTLY AFTER SUNRISE. SURFACE
WINDS AT 10 KNOTS OR LESS THROUGH THE PERIOD.
RNK
AVIATION /14Z MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY/...
VFR CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED THROUGH THE FORECAST PERIOD. MID LEVEL
CLOUDS ARE KEEPING FOG FROM DEVELOPING AT LWB THIS MORNING.
MAINLY VFR CONDITIONS ARE ANTICIPATED FOR TUESDAY THRU MIDWEEK AS HIGH
PRESSURE CONTINUES TO BUILD INTO THE REGION FROM THE NORTH AND
SLIDES OFFSHORE EARLY NEXT WEEK. ONLY EXCEPTION WOULD BE MVFR TO
IFR CONDITIONS IN AFTERNOON AND EVENING TSTMS...WHICH COULD BEGIN
AGAIN LATE TUESDAY AND BECOME MORE WIDESPREAD WEDNESDAY/THURSDAY.
LMK
AVIATION (FOR 12Z TAFS)...
VFR THRU THE PD. LIGHT DRY NE FLO TO CONT NEXT 24 HRS AS CENTER OF
HI PRES OVER THE LOWER GREAT LAKES REACHES NEW ENGLAND/MID ATL
COAST. SCT CU TO DEVELOP ARND MIDDAY...OTHERWISE CLR.
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gocamels - 2/7/2007 12:19 PM
And its clear wx from KY to NC today, no precip in forecast.
RAH discussion:
.AVIATION /14Z MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY/...
MOSTLY ALTOCUMULUS AND CIRRUS LEVEL CEILINGS EXPECTED THROUGH THE
PERIOD. SCATTERED CLOUDS NEAR 7000 FEET WILL BEGIN TO ADVANCE INTO
CENTRAL NORTH CAROLINA BEFORE DAWN. BROKEN CEILINGS AT 7000 FEET AT
TIMES ARE NOT FORECAST TO BE PERSISTENT. MVFR VISIBILITIES POSSIBLE
MAINLY EAST OF HIGHWAY ONE UNTIL SHORTLY AFTER SUNRISE. SURFACE
WINDS AT 10 KNOTS OR LESS THROUGH THE PERIOD.
RNK
AVIATION /14Z MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY/...
VFR CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED THROUGH THE FORECAST PERIOD. MID LEVEL
CLOUDS ARE KEEPING FOG FROM DEVELOPING AT LWB THIS MORNING.
MAINLY VFR CONDITIONS ARE ANTICIPATED FOR TUESDAY THRU MIDWEEK AS HIGH
PRESSURE CONTINUES TO BUILD INTO THE REGION FROM THE NORTH AND
SLIDES OFFSHORE EARLY NEXT WEEK. ONLY EXCEPTION WOULD BE MVFR TO
IFR CONDITIONS IN AFTERNOON AND EVENING TSTMS...WHICH COULD BEGIN
AGAIN LATE TUESDAY AND BECOME MORE WIDESPREAD WEDNESDAY/THURSDAY.
LMK
AVIATION (FOR 12Z TAFS)...
VFR THRU THE PD. LIGHT DRY NE FLO TO CONT NEXT 24 HRS AS CENTER OF
HI PRES OVER THE LOWER GREAT LAKES REACHES NEW ENGLAND/MID ATL
COAST. SCT CU TO DEVELOP ARND MIDDAY...OTHERWISE CLR.
We have a 20% chance of Tstorms throughout the afternoon in Knoxville. In between Ft. Campbell and NC.
I think they'd land at Pope AFB since it is close to the coast.
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psloss - 2/7/2007 11:11 AMQuotespacequestioner - 2/7/2007 12:04 PMThat sounds like it could do with some clarification or context as they've stopped in Georgia and the Florida panhandle in the past and those would seemingly "qualify."
From NASA PAO with plane: No SCA landing sites between KY and KSC.
(Today, the weather probably isn't so good.)
I think she meant that they plan to fly direct to KSC SLF, there are planty of places they could stop if they needed to between KY and the Cape.
Mark Kirkman
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Speedracer - 2/7/2007 11:29 AM
I think they'd land at Pope AFB since it is close to the coast.
Not Seymour-Johnson AFB?
Post by: rdale on 07/02/2007 06:44 pm
"After a pre-dawn weather briefing Tuesday at Fort Campbell, the 747 carrying the shuttle is scheduled for takeoff at 6:15 a.m. EDT and arrive at KSC about 8:30 a.m."
Post by: hornet on 07/02/2007 06:49 pm
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spacequestioner - 2/7/2007 11:04 AM
From NASA PAO with plane: No SCA landing sites between KY and KSC.
Except for MSFC of course.
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hornet - 2/7/2007 2:49 PMYeah, at the post landing press conference, Mike Leinbach said they had budgeted about 130 days in the OPF for Atlantis. There were some gives and takes with having to get ready to ferry, but 130 days is still quite a bit more than what they were shooting for last year with ~110 day OPF flow for STS-116 (which I believe ended up being accelerated).
Is there a hit to the processing flow now? I remember at the end of the missionthey said they have about a week before it starts to impact. Because it has nearly been a week and a half now. Thanks
Based on his comments, it didn't seem to be an issue (the availability of the VAB integration cell for stacking the 122 boosters may be a bigger deal in September).
Post by: joncz on 07/02/2007 08:14 pm
Longest: 7300 × 150 ft
Now, Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson-Whoelse'sNameCanWePutHere has a nice long runway:
Longest: 11890 × 150 ft
NASA's welcome to drop on in!
Post by: johng on 07/02/2007 09:48 pm
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joncz - 2/7/2007 4:14 PM
Now, Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson-Whoelse'sNameCanWePutHere has a nice long runway:
Longest: 11890 × 150 ft
It's been done before. I remember as a kid being allowed to stand behind the captain in a 727 as we taxied past the SCA/orbiter that was parked in the Hartsfield cargo area. My recollection was that it was the initial delivery flight as there were boatloads of missing tiles. However, my search for any record of the shuttle using Atlanta does not turn up. Well, I would have been 10-11 years old, so who knows. Might have been one of the initial ferry flights from back Edwards (DFRC).
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johng - 2/7/2007 4:48 PMQuotejoncz - 2/7/2007 4:14 PM
Now, Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson-Whoelse'sNameCanWePutHere has a nice long runway:
Longest: 11890 × 150 ft
It's been done before. I remember as a kid being allowed to stand behind the captain in a 727 as we taxied past the SCA/orbiter that was parked in the Hartsfield cargo area. My recollection was that it was the initial delivery flight as there were boatloads of missing tiles. However, my search for any record of the shuttle using Atlanta does not turn up. Well, I would have been 10-11 years old, so who knows. Might have been one of the initial ferry flights from back Edwards (DFRC).
I grew up in Atlanta and remember around 79-80 Enterprise came through for a day...that was a big deal for me even back then (I was about the same age) and I still have the faded pictures. The place was a zoo with a 2-3 hour long wait just to get one of the shuttle busses out to the ramp for close up pictures.
Mark Kirkman
Post by: spacequestioner on 07/03/2007 12:52 am
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/03/2007 07:53 am
Flight NASA905 has filed a flight plan from HOP to TTS, departing at 05:15 AM CDT (P1015Z).
Route of flight:
HOP..BNA..ATL..MCN..AMG..CRG..OMN..TTS/0220
Post by: Rocket Guy on 07/03/2007 08:48 am
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/03/2007 08:50 am
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Ben - 3/7/2007 9:48 AM
And it looks like they just canceled.
Uggg :( Weather problems?
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Ben - 3/7/2007 4:08 AM
Now the flight tracker says a new flight has been filed!
Yep, that is right and it is 1 minute later than the previous annoucement. Hopefully it can manage to arrive KSC by today
Departing at 05:16 CDT and arriving at KSC at 08:36 EDT
Expected route: BNA ATL MCN TAY GNV ORL
Post by: fernad on 07/03/2007 09:12 am
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/03/2007 09:41 am
Dave Finny and Frank Marlow are SCA pilots
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Route of flight:
HOP..BNA..ATL..MCN..TAY..GNV..ORL..TTS/0220
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Chris Bergin - 3/7/2007 11:43 AMThat means that they should be in the air now or very soon as it is 04:46 AM CDT now.
Flight NASA905 has filed a flight plan from HOP to TTS, departing at 04:39 AM CDT (P0939Z).
Route of flight:
HOP..BNA..ATL..MCN..TAY..GNV..ORL..TTS/0220
Post by: psloss on 07/03/2007 09:54 am
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DaveS - 3/7/2007 4:45 AMQuoteChris Bergin - 3/7/2007 11:43 AMThat means that they should be in the air now or very soon as it is 04:46 AM CDT now.
Flight NASA905 has filed a flight plan from HOP to TTS, departing at 04:39 AM CDT (P0939Z).
Route of flight:
HOP..BNA..ATL..MCN..TAY..GNV..ORL..TTS/0220
The pathfinder has not taken off yet and they have filed a flight plan that is later than the SCA taking off. So we have to wait for the flight plan for the pathfinder to change.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/03/2007 10:06 am
ActualDeptTime N/A
ETA 07:55 AM EDT (1155Z)
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/03/2007 10:07 am
If someone wants to link and take screenshots off any tracking programs, please do.
Post by: DaveS on 07/03/2007 10:14 am
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA932
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/03/2007 10:16 am
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Chris Bergin - 3/7/2007 5:16 AM
SCA takes off.
Flightaware doesnt show that SCA has taken off?
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marktowler - 3/7/2007 12:19 PMPatience. They take a while to get the word. Chris posted the news of the C9 at 7 minutes past the hour and it didn't show up as in-flight until 12 minutes past the hour.QuoteChris Bergin - 3/7/2007 5:16 AM
SCA takes off.
Flightaware doesnt show that SCA has taken off?
Post by: DaveS on 07/03/2007 10:22 am
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DaveS - 3/7/2007 5:20 AMQuotemarktowler - 3/7/2007 12:19 PMPatience. They take a while to get the word. Chris posted the news of the C9 at 7 minutes past the hour and it didn't show up as in-flight until 12 minutes past the hour.QuoteChris Bergin - 3/7/2007 5:16 AM
SCA takes off.
Flightaware doesnt show that SCA has taken off?
Ok, got it thanks. I guess they wont tell us the amended flight plan until just now because of security reasons?
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/03/2007 10:31 am
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Post by: tesheiner on 07/03/2007 10:39 am
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marktowler - 3/7/2007 12:23 PM
I guess they wont tell us the amended flight plan until just now because of security reasons?
No. It's just that the "real time" updates of FlightAware are on the range of minutes.
BTW, the flight plan is still the same but now with an ATD different then the ETD. Normal in this business.
ATD = Actual Time of Departure
ETD = Estimated Time of Departure
Post by: Zachstar on 07/03/2007 10:44 am
100 miles!
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA905
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http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA932
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http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA905
Post by: Zachstar on 07/03/2007 11:17 am
330 kts.
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Post by: leetdan on 07/03/2007 11:36 am
I'll be out biking around Orlando, but I doubt I'll see anything with all this fog hanging around.
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leetdan - 3/7/2007 7:36 AMNice. Thanks.
According to http://www.wunderground.com radar, the clouds near Jacksonville do top out above 15k feet, but are mostly offshore. To see this info, click the left edge of a radar map and select "Echo Tops".
Post by: Zachstar on 07/03/2007 11:46 am
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA905
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haywoodfloyd - 3/7/2007 1:57 PMNo info on this. We will see ;)
Will the landing be televised on NASA-TV?
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08:00 28.90 -81.60 334 14800
08:00 28.83 -81.55 331 11000
08:00 28.85 -81.53 314 14300
08:01 28.78 -81.47 319 11000
There is no way that within a minute it dropped and rose a few thousand feet ;>
Post by: shuttlepilot on 07/03/2007 12:12 pm
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rdale - 3/7/2007 8:17 AMLIVE STREAMING! http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/rrg2.pl?encoder/sspf.rmNow coming on Nasa TV!! too!
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Then it circles around to land. :) Nice of them, I think.
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lsullivan411 - 3/7/2007 2:40 PMThat's a good 6-12 hour process. Then they must be back the SCA out, lower Atlantis' landing gear and then lower the orbiter herself down to the ground.
How long would it take approximately to de-mate and tow to the OPF - hopefully they will be able to beat afternoon storms.
Best case back in the OPF: Sometime late tonight.
Post by: shuttlefan on 07/03/2007 12:45 pm
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DaveS - 3/7/2007 7:42 AMQuotelsullivan411 - 3/7/2007 2:40 PMThat's a good 6-12 hour process. Then they must be back the SCA out, lower Atlantis' landing gear and then lower the orbiter herself down to the ground.
How long would it take approximately to de-mate and tow to the OPF - hopefully they will be able to beat afternoon storms.
Best case back in the OPF: Sometime late tonight.
Is there any weather protection whatsoever in the Mate/Demate Device? :o
Post by: Zachstar on 07/03/2007 12:45 pm
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shuttlefan - 3/7/2007 2:45 PMNo. That is why Atlantis got soaked during rainstorm Edwards following the landing there after STS-104. She had to be dried out in the OPF using heat-lamps.
Is there any weather protection whatsoever in the Mate/Demate Device? :o
Post by: Zachstar on 07/03/2007 12:47 pm
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shuttlefan - 3/7/2007 8:45 AMQuoteDaveS - 3/7/2007 7:42 AMQuotelsullivan411 - 3/7/2007 2:40 PMThat's a good 6-12 hour process. Then they must be back the SCA out, lower Atlantis' landing gear and then lower the orbiter herself down to the ground.
How long would it take approximately to de-mate and tow to the OPF - hopefully they will be able to beat afternoon storms.
Best case back in the OPF: Sometime late tonight.
Is there any weather protection whatsoever in the Mate/Demate Device? :o
none
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DaveS - 3/7/2007 7:47 AMQuoteshuttlefan - 3/7/2007 2:45 PMNo. That is why Atlantis got soaked during rainstorm Edwards following the landing there after STS-104. She had to be dried out in the OPF using heat-lamps.
Is there any weather protection whatsoever in the Mate/Demate Device? :o
Thanks! Hopefully no hail this afternoon with the expected t'storms. :o
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Moving along QUITE quickly!
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Post by: johng on 07/03/2007 01:16 pm
Good for tile inspection though. More pics to come.
Post by: Zachstar on 07/03/2007 01:22 pm
Post by: johng on 07/03/2007 01:27 pm
I'm betting they set a record for hauling that bird down off a there.
Post by: johng on 07/03/2007 01:28 pm
More pics
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Post by: haywoodfloyd on 07/03/2007 01:38 pm
Now it's on to Endeavour and STS-118.
Post by: johng on 07/03/2007 01:39 pm
Coupla more:
Post by: johng on 07/03/2007 01:49 pm
Thanks again to Chris. He was sending status emails to my phone so I could tell what was up with the approach. Still didn't see her 'till she was past the Visitors' Center and turning up the runway.
Nothin like being under the flightpath when somehting like that breaks into the pattern. Flew a relatively tight final too, for having priceless space machinery on board. Not nearly the 10 mile final you'd be used to on a jumbo.
Post by: TALsite on 07/03/2007 02:25 pm
Specially # 001077. It seems like a shuttle launch from the SCA. :)
Thanks for sharing.
Post by: stockman on 07/03/2007 02:48 pm
Anyone know what time Atlantis will arrive in the barn?
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stockman - 3/7/2007 10:48 AM
Looks like White Knight/SS1 on Steroids!! :)
Anyone know what time Atlantis will arrive in the barn?
1. An upside down White Knight/SS1 on Steroids
2. Barn? VAB is closer to a barn than the OPF
Post by: zerm on 07/03/2007 02:54 pm
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Nothin like being under the flightpath when somehting like that breaks into the pattern. Flew a relatively tight final too, for having priceless space machinery on board. Not nearly the 10 mile final you'd be used to on a jumbo.
Back in the mid 80's I was in college in Daytona, walking through the parking lot and heard the sound of a heavy jet overhead. I looked up and there was the SCA with the shuttle heading down to KSC. What a sight! I just stood there with my mouth hanging open. It's amazing to see them fly by.
Post by: stockman on 07/03/2007 03:08 pm
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Jim - 3/7/2007 10:49 AMQuotestockman - 3/7/2007 10:48 AM
Looks like White Knight/SS1 on Steroids!! :)
Anyone know what time Atlantis will arrive in the barn?
1. An upside down White Knight/SS1 on Steroids
2. Barn? VAB is closer to a barn than the OPF
1. - I stand corrected - an upside down variant
2. - OPF was my intended meaning - :)
Post by: fernad on 07/03/2007 03:12 pm
As much as I tried to hedge my bets with an observation point for this one (watched from one of the wildlife drives on Merritt Island - they usually close for shuttle events in an attempt to safeguard the Wildlife Refuge from litter and habitat damage, but this prolonged cross-country trip let the shuttle landing sneak by them) looks as though I should have been on the beach with everyone else.
My few pictures are much hazier than those on here, but by God, I got them myself. Thanks again for giving me the ability to plan, Chris and everyone else on here.
Evelyn
Central Florida
Post by: Felix on 07/03/2007 03:40 pm
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/03/2007 04:08 pm
We'll be moving to STS-122 Processing updates once she's back in the OPF. We'll either start a new thread, or keep going with the current STS-122 processing thread (problem being it was Discovery's flight before the manifest swap-around, but as Jim will tell us, the payload and mission are the same...just the orbiter has changed).
Anyone with a strong view on what we should do, PM me, so I can work with what the majority prefer.
Post by: Speedracer on 07/03/2007 04:21 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 07/03/2007 04:26 pm
The radar shows rain real close :(
Edit: Seriously who is running camera 81?
Post by: Zachstar on 07/03/2007 04:28 pm
DARN!
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stockman - 3/7/2007 12:30 PMFWIW, even though it didn't happen at Edwards this time, the orbiter is mostly exposed there just like it is right now.
Besides the tiles absorbing water am I correct in assuming there is no real damage that can be inflicted on her? Since they are in the early stages of processing my impression is that any absorbed water will have plenty of time to be burned off under some high powered lights.
Post by: lsullivan411 on 07/03/2007 05:27 pm
Interactive weather map, you can zoom in and see SLF, launch pads, etc. I find it's fairly accurate, at least judgeing by around me. If it's accurate it hasn't seemed to rain yet at the SLF, but it's on the way.
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DaveS - 3/7/2007 7:47 AM
No. That is why Atlantis got soaked during rainstorm Edwards following the landing there after STS-104. She had to be dried out in the OPF using heat-lamps.
By the way, just to note, it was after STS-98 in prep for 104 which was delayed a few weeks as a result of this.
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:o :o :o
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johng - 3/7/2007 1:26 PM
It wasn't raining at the MDD at of a few minutes ago. I was out there snapping pics. But, while I was there they called everyone down off the MDD - I assume because of the lightning warnings that are the rule around here.
:o :o :o
Could you post a few of those photos?
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Zachstar - 3/7/2007 2:29 PMQuotejohng - 3/7/2007 1:26 PM
It wasn't raining at the MDD at of a few minutes ago. I was out there snapping pics. But, while I was there they called everyone down off the MDD - I assume because of the lightning warnings that are the rule around here.
:o :o :o
Could you post a few of those photos?
Note the sky in the background.....
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Post by: Zachstar on 07/03/2007 08:08 pm
Running blind as NASA has NO public camera views of that area currently.
Post by: SpaceNutz SA on 07/03/2007 09:17 pm
Post by: psloss on 07/03/2007 09:28 pm
http://mediaarchive.ksc.nasa.gov/search.cfm?cat=4
(This attachment is only "medium" res -- go to the link for high res versions.)
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SpaceNutz SA - 3/7/2007 12:00 AMI would expect 905 to fly back out to Edwards pretty soon after Atlantis have been demated to support STS-118.
Where is the SCA's homebase? KSC? If not when can we expect to see her fly again? And where to?
Post by: johng on 07/03/2007 10:27 pm
I'm off to check demate progress personally on the way home... I'll send an e-mail if anything interesting is up.
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Trekkie07 - 3/7/2007 5:59 PMNot sure there's enough public info to make a guess about "normal," but in the previous case you can get some idea from captions of pictures taken about that timeline. According to those, Discovery arrived back at KSC on the SCA (NASA 905) at about 10 am local on 21 August 2005:
I realize that all of this is weather dependant but, how long does it normally take to get the shuttle off the SCA once it arrives the MDD? Also, do we know when they're planning on towing Atlantis to her OPF?
http://mediaarchive.ksc.nasa.gov/detail.cfm?mediaid=26863
Demate occurred in the early morning hours the next day:
http://mediaarchive.ksc.nasa.gov/detail.cfm?mediaid=26879
And the orbiter gear had been lowered by daybreak:
http://mediaarchive.ksc.nasa.gov/detail.cfm?mediaid=26887
But it's hard to tell whether this is apples or oranges to oranges.
Post by: Lee Jay on 07/03/2007 10:34 pm
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DaveS - 3/7/2007 4:06 PMQuoteSpaceNutz SA - 3/7/2007 12:00 AMI would expect 905 to fly back out to Edwards pretty soon after Atlantis have been demated to support STS-118.
Where is the SCA's homebase? KSC? If not when can we expect to see her fly again? And where to?
Will it take the tail cone with it (disassembled) or is that shipped separately?
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Will be interesting to hear any news from people still around KSC on Atlantis' status. When I left work she was still on the SCA, obviously having some problems being demated.
Do the difficulties have anything to do with the strike?
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MySDCUserID - 3/7/2007 9:03 PMQuoteFlightstar - 3/7/2007 9:30 PM
Will be interesting to hear any news from people still around KSC on Atlantis' status. When I left work she was still on the SCA, obviously having some problems being demated.
Do the difficulties have anything to do with the strike?
Not my area, so I wouldn't like to guess. I'm sure Chris will get any details of any issues via the processing information in the morning on L2.
Post by: John44 on 07/04/2007 06:22 am
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2544&Itemid=2
Images Gallery (Slideshow)
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=410&Itemid=101
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/04/2007 10:11 am
Post by: mkirk on 07/04/2007 02:32 pm
Mark Kirkman
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Someone will find out.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/04/2007 03:59 pm
Anyone know if this may have been used for demating ops (I remember seeing such a lift being used)? Wild guess, but given there's no processing info coming in today due to the holiday, this can be a fun quiz question as to what this platform is used for - and it's potential relevance to the demate ops, seen as processing info said there was only going to be 50 workers at KSC today (doing rollback to OPF and safing of Atlantis)
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We're a bit blind today as everyone's on the July 4 vacation (apart from something like 50 workers with Atlantis).....so unless anyone fancies driving over to KSC and taking a sneak peek... ;)
Someone will find out.
I'd go but I'm being paid time-and-a-half for work today ;)
Post by: ItsyAndy on 07/04/2007 06:07 pm
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Chris Bergin - 4/7/2007 5:59 PM
This is a wild guess, but I was just about to close a browser that had the KSC webcams showing (used for Endeavour rollover) and I noticed that they just opened a small door to the transfer aisle to allow one of the access platform lifts to head back into the VAB.
Where you get those webcam shots from? Is it some reserved feed?
Thanks.
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ItsyAndy - 4/7/2007 1:07 PMhttp://webcams.ksc.nasa.gov/
Where you get those webcam shots from? Is it some reserved feed?
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collectSPACE - 4/7/2007 8:31 PMQuoteItsyAndy - 4/7/2007 1:07 PMhttp://webcams.ksc.nasa.gov/
Where you get those webcam shots from? Is it some reserved feed?
I had missed that. Great! Thanks.
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ItsyAndy - 4/7/2007 1:43 PMQuotecollectSPACE - 4/7/2007 8:31 PMQuoteItsyAndy - 4/7/2007 1:07 PMhttp://webcams.ksc.nasa.gov/
Where you get those webcam shots from? Is it some reserved feed?
I had missed that. Great! Thanks.
Best to actually read through the threads, as these links are mentioned many times!! ;)
Post by: UK Shuttle Clan on 07/04/2007 06:57 pm
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UK Shuttle Clan - 4/7/2007 7:57 PM
So will the SCA fly back to California or somewhere else?
Yes, the SCA (NASA 905) will get refueled and fly back to its base at Dryden ready for next time (if needed). :)
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ShuttleDiscovery - 4/7/2007 3:06 PMQuoteUK Shuttle Clan - 4/7/2007 7:57 PM
So will the SCA fly back to California or somewhere else?
Yes, the SCA (NASA 905) will get refueled and fly back to its base at Dryden ready for next time (if needed). :)
It is not based at Dryden
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Jim - 4/7/2007 2:10 PMQuoteShuttleDiscovery - 4/7/2007 3:06 PMQuoteUK Shuttle Clan - 4/7/2007 7:57 PM
So will the SCA fly back to California or somewhere else?
Yes, the SCA (NASA 905) will get refueled and fly back to its base at Dryden ready for next time (if needed). :)
It is not based at Dryden
So what is the expected plan for it Jim, if you know?
Post by: SpaceNutz SA on 07/04/2007 08:28 pm
Post by: SpaceNutz SA on 07/04/2007 08:42 pm
http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/crew/ferryflight.html
http://www1.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/SCA/HTML/ED06-0202-076.html
Quote from Wikipedia regarding the home base of the 2 SCA's - not sure how true this is.
"The two aircraft are functionally identical, although N911NA has five upper-deck windows on each side, while N905NA only has two. N905NA is depicted in both the photograph and the diagram on this page.
One Shuttle Carrier currently resides at the Dryden Flight Research Center at Edwards Air Force Base, California (likely N911NA). The other Shuttle Carrier is located at Pinal Airpark in Arizona (KMZJ) (likely N905NA)."
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Post by: psloss on 07/04/2007 08:54 pm
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/SCA/HTML/EC95-43339-03.html
(I was going to ask for verification about the upper deck windows as a way of identifying them...was going through some old ferry pictures.)
Post by: SpaceNutz SA on 07/04/2007 09:06 pm
Since Pinal is a 'boneyard' it makes sense that the 'flight-ready storaged' SCA is at Pinal. Would like to post the KMZ's but not sure how to do attachements on this list.
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SpaceNutz SA - 4/7/2007 11:06 PMSimply just make sure the "Attach a file after posting" checkbox is checked. Then simply browse for the file files and press submit.
Would like to post the KMZ's but not sure how to do attachements on this list.
Post by: SpaceNutz SA on 07/04/2007 09:15 pm
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/05/2007 01:21 am
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=5836&start=1
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SpaceNutz SA - 4/7/2007 4:15 PM
Aha! Here they are - thanks - I was using the submit window not the reply.
Actualy this isnt quite accurate. The aircraft labled as N911NA is not an SCA. the end plate fins on the horizontal stabalizer would be conspicous in slightly oblique view. Notice that you can see the tailcone (APU) offset from the vertical stabalizer so the view isn't streight down.
In the photo of Dryden you can actually see booth SCAs one is at the ramp near the NASA hanger and the other is lined up with the MDD at the north end of the field.
Of course, since this is Google Earth, this proves nothing. GE is made up of thosands of photos taken at different times and montoged together. I have seen examples of seing the same thing in 2 different places when I personally knoew ther is only one of them in existence.
Post by: marktowler on 07/05/2007 01:44 pm
Expected route: MLBSO MLB255045 PIE REMIS Q100 LEV J86 ELP SSO J4 PKE DAG
Post by: DaveS on 07/05/2007 02:05 pm
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marktowler - 5/7/2007 3:44 PMThe SCA has departed KSC at 9:50 am EDT.
I got the information from FlightAware saying SCA is due to take off from KSC at 09:30am EDT going to back to Edwards AFB at 12:45 PDT
Expected route: MLBSO MLB255045 PIE REMIS Q100 LEV J86 ELP SSO J4 PKE DAG
Post by: Lee Jay on 07/05/2007 02:33 pm
Post by: DaveS on 07/05/2007 02:39 pm
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Lee Jay - 5/7/2007 4:33 PMNot sure if Atlantis have even been soaked. I can't find any notes of rain at the SLF during the time she was out there.
Will Atlantis' soaking have any impact on processing?
Post by: Lee Jay on 07/05/2007 02:53 pm
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5156
Post by: stockman on 07/05/2007 03:08 pm
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Lee Jay - 5/7/2007 10:33 AM
Will Atlantis' soaking have any impact on processing?
Not sure but I would not be concerned. They are just starting the process flow for its next mission. A few days/weeks under hot lights will bake off any water from tiles/blankets. They should be able to work around those over the course of the process flow. Besides. The bottom tiles should not have gotten wet as they would have been sheltered somewhat. the tiles on the sides of the orbiter and OMS pods are most likely the soaked ones and I am not sure how absorbant the blankets are but even if they are soaked as well we are only looking at the top half of the vehicle that absorbed a bit of rain. Assumptions on my part but it seems logical.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/05/2007 03:12 pm