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USFJoseph - 19/6/2007 7:04 AM
FD12 Execute Package here
Looks like crew wakeup was at 6:38 ET this morning...
Undocking is set for 10:42 ET this morning...
As previously noted, Atlatis will fly a full 360 degree flyaround after undocking. We should see a very different looking ISS!
Undocking and FD12 constantly updated article: http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5141
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EDIT: did anybody catch the crew wakeup?
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ETEE - 19/6/2007 12:29 PM
Are they doing the Atlantis station keeping attitude tests referred to yesterday by Englehof?
That was mainly completed on Sunday and Monday.
Atlantis going through a full power up following the power downs in case of extra docking day:
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Are they doing the Atlantis station keeping attitude tests referred to yesterday by Englehof?
That was mainly completed on Sunday and Monday.
Atlantis going through a full power up following the power downs in case of extra docking day:
Yesterday Englehof said that they had used more Atlantis propellant than expected when the Russian computers failed and that they wanted to do a test before undocking to see if they could explain why that was (ie they had probably got their predicted station attitude wrong for minimum propellant loss).
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seruriermarshal - 19/6/2007 1:40 PM
So they'll land in 6.20 ?
They will make their first attempt to land on Thursday.
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ETEE - 19/6/2007 1:31 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 19/6/2007 1:27 PMQuoteETEE - 19/6/2007 12:29 PM
Are they doing the Atlantis station keeping attitude tests referred to yesterday by Englehof?
That was mainly completed on Sunday and Monday.
Atlantis going through a full power up following the power downs in case of extra docking day:
Yesterday Englehof said that they had used more Atlantis propellant than expected when the Russian computers failed and that they wanted to do a test before undocking to see if they could explain why that was (ie they had probably got their predicted station attitude wrong for minimum propellant loss).
Been looking around the information and nothing sticks out bar yesterday's note:
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Chris Bergin - 18/6/2007 10:27 PM
Atlantis still required for some assist. Helping to gain another 4300ft overnight.
There are no notes of attitude assist or testing this morning, will keep checking, but station keeping could relate to updated flyaround proceedures, which we know about from yesterday (Jorge mentioned it I believe).
I'm probably missing something ;) So I'll leave this open for anyone else to chip in.
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Chris Bergin - 19/6/2007 9:05 AMOnly saw it in the the status briefing with Phil Engelauf, but I'm catching up...he said that they were planning on handing over attitude control to the orbiter for one hour to (IIRC) get more data on prop usage. Not sure where on the timeline, but the execute package might say...
There are no notes of attitude assist or testing this morning, will keep checking, but station keeping could relate to updated flyaround proceedures, which we know about from yesterday (Jorge mentioned it I believe).
I'm probably missing something ;) So I'll leave this open for anyone else to chip in.
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Chris Bergin - 19/6/2007 7:44 AMQuoteseruriermarshal - 19/6/2007 1:40 PM
So they'll land in 6.20 ?
They will make their first attempt to land on Thursday.
Will they call up Edwards for Thursday or just wave off 24 hours if the weather at KSC is bad on both attempts? (Sorry if this was already stated and I missed it.) ;)
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psloss - 19/6/2007 2:16 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 19/6/2007 9:05 AMOnly saw it in the the status briefing with Phil Engelauf, but I'm catching up...he said that they were planning on handing over attitude control to the orbiter for one hour to (IIRC) get more data on prop usage. Not sure where on the timeline, but the execute package might say...
There are no notes of attitude assist or testing this morning, will keep checking, but station keeping could relate to updated flyaround proceedures, which we know about from yesterday (Jorge mentioned it I believe).
I'm probably missing something ;) So I'll leave this open for anyone else to chip in.
Interesting. No note of them doing this so far - and they are fast running out of time to do so.
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Anyway..
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Will they call up Edwards for Thursday or just wave off 24 hours if the weather at KSC is bad on both attempts?
No, EDW not til Friday. It's mentioned in the Landing thread.
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Undock & flyaround (1 lap) 9:42
Sep Burn 10:38
LATE INSPECTIONS:
Unberth OBSS 12:58
Starboard Wing 1:43
Nose Cap 2:58
Port Wing 3:48
OBSS Berth 5:18
RCS Burn 6:48
Crew Sleep 9:08
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Physical seperation!
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OMS/RCS F1F & F2F reselected at 50 ft
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eeergo - 19/6/2007 4:52 PMExterior light on the P1 truss.
What's that light? Too bright to be the docking laser, isn't it?
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eeergo - 19/6/2007 9:52 AMSpotlight on the truss.
What's that light? Too bright to be the docking laser, isn't it?
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eeergo - 19/6/2007 10:52 AM
What's that light? Too bright to be the docking laser, isn't it?
That light is one of the floodlights on the S0 or S1 truss to help illuminate the departing shuttle during this night pass, it is hard to see whether it is on S1 or S0 right now in the dark.
Richard
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Pic 2: Just some floodlights coming into view off the ISS. Still 2/10ths foot per second back-away.
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sts1canada - 19/6/2007 3:59 PM
Sunrise is in 4 minutes as I track it here on STSPLUS. 2 minutes to AOS with TDRS-East, should have some good KU on this East pass at some point after the flyaround starts.
Richard
Good news. Thanking you sir.
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Beautiful sight of the S4 and P4 arrays!, strange to see P6 all folded up after all these years (almost 7 years of extended P6 arrays)
Richard
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You can see the shuttle silhouette!
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stockman - 19/6/2007 4:05 PM
Thats Beautiful!! :)
We're going to get some money shots out of this folks :)
Seperation now 395 feet.
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On the other hand you could see the mounts of the radiators on S1/P1 move very clearly just now! I wasn't even aware that those were moving normally. :o
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you can realy see how big she's got
and the differance that p5 makes on the right compared to the left
JJ..
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Spiff - 19/6/2007 11:12 AM
On the other hand you could see the mounts of the radiators on S1/P1 move very clearly just now! I wasn't even aware that those were moving normally. :o
Why do they move?
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marsguy - 19/6/2007 5:14 PM
Why were those objects on the back of the P1 and S1 trusses rotating back and forth?
Radiators trying to stay off angle off the sun...
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ISS now weighs 509,000 pounds.
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Speedracer - 19/6/2007 11:15 AMQuoteSpiff - 19/6/2007 11:12 AM
On the other hand you could see the mounts of the radiators on S1/P1 move very clearly just now! I wasn't even aware that those were moving normally. :o
Why do they move?
to maximize exposure of the arrays to space (as much out of direct sunlight as possible). This maximizes the efficiency of cooling. Kind of like the same reason the solar arrays rotate. to maximize the direct sunlight hitting them.
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pippin - 19/6/2007 10:15 AMQuotemarsguy - 19/6/2007 5:14 PM
Why were those objects on the back of the P1 and S1 trusses rotating back and forth?
Radiators trying to stay off angle off the sun...
Wait'll all 6 are open and rotating. That'll be impressive. :)
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Ford Mustang - 19/6/2007 9:16 AM
ISS now weighs 509,000 pounds.
Still weighs nothing, but masses 509,000 pounds. (Heh, heh, heh!).
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cookiejar500 - 19/6/2007 5:23 PM
Why are the arrays 180 degrees out of sync, shouldn't the radiator be behind the array for maximum cooling in the shadow of the array?
Uninformed here, but this is why i THINK it is:
The arrays are in feather mode, i.e. they are not tracking the sun. By opposing them you usually have at least 1 of the arrays catching sunlight, thus not missing too much power.
Anyone wanting to correct me; you're more than welcome. ;)
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Colds7ream - 19/6/2007 8:23 AM
I wonder: On the last mission in 2010, do you think the Soyuz crew will undock and do a flyaround of the completed station with the docked Shuttle in the image, like they did for Mir/Atlantis on STS-71?
Whether they plan on it or not, they should.....
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Look at that...
The shuttle's size is also quite noticeable now.
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Very nice photo of Atlantis getting darker!
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Will they have any high-res stills taken during the flyaround?
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Ford Mustang - 19/6/2007 5:45 PMIt's a UHF antenna mounted on the Destiny Lab.
A microphone in space, attached to the outside of the ISS?
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Ford Mustang - 19/6/2007 5:45 PMShit, you're too fast, just wanted to ask, too ;-)
A microphone in space, attached to the outside of the ISS?
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...and the third one ;) What are they?
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pippin - 19/6/2007 5:48 PM
Hey, you see the space-worm?
two of 'em ;-)
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Visiable on the TV. No one is noting what they are yet, but likely ice I'd guess.
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That "space worm" looked as if it went behind the ISS. I guess that's not very likely as it would then be several (as in at least more than one) meters long...
It also loked flexible, but that might have been due to its shape and rotation.
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MKremer - 19/6/2007 4:56 PM
Looked to be from aft. Different speeds and directions.
Yeah. Anyone seen this before at this stage of the flight? Thinking it must be ice from RCS.
ISIS-LCS noting it, nothing more than they've observed it.
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rfoshaug - 19/6/2007 8:50 AM
Ah, the good old ice aliens. :)
One of them must have been rotating in the way it reflected sunlight.... Made me wonder for a second how a passenger plane could get that high with its flashing winglights :-)
Nevertheless, guarantee this is on YouTube with the heading flashing alien craft near ISS.
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sts1canada - 19/6/2007 9:54 AM
they are fixed to the P4 and S4 array truss after the SARJ joint
Richard
Of course, I guess I would have expected them both to be on the opposite side of the SAW's than the sun so as they are more shaded and therefore more effective at rejecting heat. Instead one is like I described and the other will always be in the sun.
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cookiejar500 - 19/6/2007 5:56 PMNope. Both sides generate power.
OK stupid question but I have to ask now, does only one side of the array generate power and the side with the radiator does not?
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Flightstar - 19/6/2007 8:50 AM
You're going to miss this in 2010 onwards.
I figure Soyuz, Dragon, RPK ad Orion could get similar shots.....
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rfoshaug - 19/6/2007 5:56 PMThat "space worm" looked as if it went behind the ISS. I guess that's not very likely as it would then be several (as in at least more than one) meters long...
It also loked flexible, but that might have been due to its shape and rotation.
Nah, I think it looked like it because the station was overexposed. Looked like a string of fabric or something like it...
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The radiators are designed to work by pointing away form the sun, so should be in the shadow of the collectors.
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Oh yeah, and wow...
and wow....
Wow...
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Chris Bergin - 19/6/2007 11:00 AM
Officially classed as an FOD. Requests for analysis may be forthcoming (this is off the loop we use on L2 - which is what the managers, controllers, techs and engineers etc "speak" on - well they type anyway).
It's the cylons, I did warn you all ;)
Stunning pictures, thanks so much.
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They timed the loop nicely with the sunrise and sunset.
They sure did! Great screenshots FordMustang :)
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It's the cylons, I did warn you all ;)
It is.... and they have a plan.....
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Chris Bergin - 19/6/2007 11:03 AMAnd then stationkeeping at a 46 mile distance.
700 ft seperation. At 2000 ft second seperation burn.
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And then stationkeeping at a 46 mile distance.
46 statute or nautical?
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avitek - 19/6/2007 11:06 AMI'll admit I don't know. I was repeating what the NASA TV narrator said. But doesn't NASA generally use nautical miles?QuoteAnd then stationkeeping at a 46 mile distance.
46 statute or nautical?
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ApolloLee - 19/6/2007 5:58 PMQuoteFlightstar - 19/6/2007 8:50 AM
You're going to miss this in 2010 onwards.
I figure Soyuz, Dragon, RPK ad Orion could get similar shots.....
Soyuz seldom does. Dragon and RPK? If they ever leave the drawing board. Orion? Well, lets wait 8 or 9 years :(
Great pictures. They show what has been done. This is truly an achievement. But many will lament we are going in circles, in LEO. I don't.
Analyst
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3.1 nautical miles
2.7 statute miles
PER ORBIT.
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Chris Bergin - 19/6/2007 5:30 PMSounds remarkably similar to the Atlantis/ISS station keeping prop useage. Do they have a leak?
There are notes that the flyaround used more RCS prop than expected. It's been evaluated.
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ETEE - 19/6/2007 5:49 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 19/6/2007 5:30 PMSounds remarkably similar to the Atlantis/ISS station keeping prop useage. Do they have a leak?
There are notes that the flyaround used more RCS prop than expected. It's been evaluated.
If they have it must be a slow leak... I'd expect any major leak to trip a Master Caution alarm.
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Chris Bergin - 19/6/2007 10:01 AM
A little off, but well within centerline requirements (manual control too).
That's how Bru trained. He likes to "hug" the bottom of the corridor. It provides a slight boost in opening rate so he spends less time separating along the Vbar. Also, since the orbiter will tend to drift up if he goes hands-off, it gives more reaction time in the event of a systems failure.
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Jorge - 19/6/2007 6:11 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 19/6/2007 10:01 AM
A little off, but well within centerline requirements (manual control too).
That's how Bru trained. He likes to "hug" the bottom of the corridor. It provides a slight boost in opening rate so he spends less time separating along the Vbar. Also, since the orbiter will tend to drift up if he goes hands-off, it gives more reaction time in the event of a systems failure.
Thanks Jorge! I was working off a previous undocking image (the same as the one used) with the "little off" comment, but that explains it very well.
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Edit: Great minds, or indiffering fools? :D
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Was about to post, "That's not a space station!" :laugh:
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nacnud - 19/6/2007 6:19 PM
Look out Atlantis, there is a TIE fighter on your six! I wish I could take a screen cap :)
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JRThro - 19/6/2007 11:10 AMQuoteavitek - 19/6/2007 11:06 AMI'll admit I don't know. I was repeating what the NASA TV narrator said. But doesn't NASA generally use nautical miles?QuoteAnd then stationkeeping at a 46 mile distance.
46 statute or nautical?
Internally. PAO usually converts to statute miles for NASA TV.
Post by: sts1canada on 06/19/2007 05:22 pm
Sorry Chris, I did not know that you posted the same shot.
Richard
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/19/2007 05:24 pm
CJ: They're coming in! Three marks and 2-10! It's no good down here, I can't maneuver!
MCC: Stay on target.
CJ: *We're too close!*
MCC: Stay on target!
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Chris Bergin - 19/6/2007 1:24 PM
MCC: Stabilize your rear deflectors... Watch for enemy fighters.
CJ: They're coming in! Three marks and 2-10! It's no good down here, I can't maneuver!
MCC: Stay on target.
CJ: *We're too close!*
MCC: Stay on target!
You guys are all showing your age :)
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cookiejar500 - 19/6/2007 10:17 AM That view of the station looks like an Empire fighter approaching from the rear. :)
TIE Fighter. :bleh:
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Greetings from Bulgaria ;) May the Force be with you all! :>
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/19/2007 05:55 pm
I'd post more pictures, but.. They're all like picture 2. Just the Sun and the Earth. Atlantis is in there somewhere!
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/19/2007 05:59 pm
Live video!
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leetdan - 19/6/2007 1:56 PM
This mission has now seen cylons and TIE fighters, one can only expect a tribble or two to show up during these OBSS surveys.
DANGER, Clay Anderson!
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/19/2007 06:08 pm
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Central times:
Unberth OBSS 13:28
Starboard Wing 2:13
Nose Cap 3:28
Port Wing 4:18
OBSS Berth 5:48
Post by: E_ E_ H on 06/19/2007 06:30 pm
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Atlantis heading over Blighty...
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rsnellenberger - 19/6/2007 8:32 PM
Has there been any comments about giving those spots on the leading edge where they thought there might have been an impact (Day 3 or Day 4?) some extra attention, or is this just going to be the standard scan?
Yeah, all WLEDS (Wing Leading Edge Dectection System) "hits" are logged and they get to have a better look during this, but as mentioned at the time, the "hits" were so small they might of not even been "hits". It's such a sensitive system that a lot of things can set it off.
The max we saw over the mission was 1.5g and that's really nothing.
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Some video has been downlinked off the ISS from Atlantis which will be replayed at the top of the hour.
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Super George - 19/6/2007 8:46 PM
Looks like they've found something of interesting. Asking for a photograph.
They do that mostly at the end of each run. Nothing to worry about when that's requested.
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Why are some of the areas very dark?
New tiles (which replace any older tiles that may of been slighty damaged) added to the TPS during post flight/pre-flight processing. They are actually tougher tiles than the previous. You can spot them all over the orbiter's belly as the dark spots.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/19/2007 07:50 pm
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Chris Bergin - 19/6/2007 12:48 PMQuoteSuper George - 19/6/2007 8:46 PM
Looks like they've found something of interesting. Asking for a photograph.
They do that mostly at the end of each run. Nothing to worry about when that's requested.
Hope ABCNews doesn't hear of this or they'll report the shuttle is in peril....
Post by: nathan.moeller on 06/19/2007 07:52 pm
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Ford Mustang - 19/6/2007 6:33 PM
After the burn, which is done, Atlantis now moving away at:
3.1 nautical miles
2.7 statute miles
PER ORBIT.
It must be vice versa - 2.7 nautical miles, 3.1 statute miles, as nautical mile is longer!
2.7 nm = 5.0 km
3.1 st.mi = 5.0 km (bot rounded to the one decimal place)
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Ford Mustang - 19/6/2007 4:02 PM
And this is the last picture. Short replay!
Is that a pulse cannon getting ready to shoot the Tie Fighter? :)
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/19/2007 08:06 pm
Expedition 15 crew is now settling into the expected routine.
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Looks like it's a loss of KU! :(
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EDIT: We have a go for nosecap altitude maneuver!
EDIT2: Great shot of the radiator!
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Ford Mustang - 19/6/2007 10:27 PMThat's one of the radiator panels.
EDIT2: Great shot of the Payload Bay Door!
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Chris Bergin - 19/6/2007 2:34 PMQuotersnellenberger - 19/6/2007 8:32 PM
Has there been any comments about giving those spots on the leading edge where they thought there might have been an impact (Day 3 or Day 4?) some extra attention, or is this just going to be the standard scan?
Yeah, all WLEDS (Wing Leading Edge Dectection System) "hits" are logged and they get to have a better look during this, but as mentioned at the time, the "hits" were so small they might of not even been "hits". It's such a sensitive system that a lot of things can set it off.
The max we saw over the mission was 1.5g and that's really nothing.
Be careful here -- as explained in those pressers, although 10 G's is the destructive force as measured in ground tests of objects impacting during relative velocities typical of launch phase, the official was commendably open-minded in pointing out that we DON'T know the 'G' signature of a dangerous impact at orbital speeds, characteristic of MMOD. Since they are so much faster, they can traverse the structure -- or more likely, vaporize -- in such a brief interval that the time-averaged 'G' picked up on a sensor could be very much lower -- and neighboring sensors might detect nothing. Historically, such past 'detections' have NOT been followed by visual in-flight or close-up post-flight detection of ANY damage, hence no impact was required to trigger those 'hit' signals. But treat these categories logically -- if there exists a phenemonon ("pseudo-impacts") that triggers low 'G' signals, it is NOT logical to conclude that ALL low 'G' signals are caused ONLY by that harmless phenomenon (especially since the on-orbit signature of a hypothesized damaging MMOD impact is NOT known).
Har-UMPH. :angry:
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/19/2007 08:49 pm
2: Party at the ISS control room!
Post by: JimO on 06/19/2007 08:56 pm
I've been passionate about spacecraft-generated debris for many years, and the very first ISS simulation, back about 1997, I scripted an object seen out the window -- it was scripted to be a fist-sized hunk of ice off a radiator leak -- and the crew (and Mission Control) were supposed to say -- "I wonder which direction it is going away," to determine if it might be coming BACK. Instead they oohed and aahed and said "look at that" a lot... but they learned, later.
There's been spacecraft-generated debris since there's been human spacecraft (John Glenn's 'fireflies', for starters), and -- yes :frown: -- there have been UFO buffs who adopted (and creatively adapted) those tales as alien visitors :laugh: and still do. But they also maintain a far more complete archive of crew and TV visual signtings of 'stuff' outside the spacecraft than NASA has ever bothered to do -- so I visited those sites a lot, even to the point of getting reprimanded for misuse of office computers one time :bleh: !!
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"We'd rather have a Tie Fighter than an Imperial Cruiser back there!"
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Off the ISS or the Station. Image specialists just getting in. If it was off orbiter, it was small. If it was from the ISS, then it was large.
Post by: ApolloLee on 06/19/2007 09:13 pm
Sure.... It happened to see itself or look into a really big mirror....
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/19/2007 09:13 pm
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from 3 frames..
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ApolloLee - 19/6/2007 5:29 PM
Big concentration in media questions on the "wormy" debris.
Seems like she was getting 'frustrated' near the end.. :laugh:
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/19/2007 09:30 pm
Loose blankets I believe we just heard?
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Ford Mustang - 19/6/2007 10:30 PMQuoteApolloLee - 19/6/2007 5:29 PM
Big concentration in media questions on the "wormy" debris.
Seems like she was getting 'frustrated' near the end.. :laugh:
Cathy did well there to push home the point that they are still working it via imagary people.
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/19/2007 09:31 pm
Yes, she did push the point that they did not know, but she did seem frustrated. :x
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Chris Bergin - 19/6/2007 11:30 PMWill be in the FD higlights video from the crew made by CJ.
Object spotted coming up from the payload bay.
Loose blankets I believe we just heard?
This one turns out to be another STS-115. Instead of being spotted by the INCO during routine Earth observations after the FCS checkout, this was spotted during undocking.
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ApolloLee - 19/6/2007 11:29 PM
Big concentration in media questions on the "wormy" debris.
Off curse, when the station not fall down becurse the computer problem the media most find a new "dome day" story.
Really fanny Q from Mike (?) about from which spacecraft the "worm" was seen. ;)
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Ford Mustang - 19/6/2007 11:38 PMIt's attitude, not altitude. Altitude is height, attitude is orientation.
Go to proceed with scan. In altitude, good picture:
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DaveS - 19/6/2007 4:45 PMQuoteFord Mustang - 19/6/2007 11:38 PMIt's attitude, not altitude. Altitude is height, attitude is orientation.
Go to proceed with scan. In altitude, good picture:
And a ba-a-a-a-ad attitude is when you are facing the wrong direction.
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/19/2007 10:03 pm
Edit: Heading into Orbit Night.
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Chris Bergin - 19/6/2007 4:16 PM
I hope John 44 is recording this. Quiz time with Clay.
When is John44 not recording NasaTV? :laugh:
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Is it me or does there seem to be something missing in the bottom right hand corner of this shot
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madmardy - 19/6/2007 11:56 PM
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/get-attachment-big.asp?action=view&attachmentid=24647
Is it me or does there seem to be something missing in the bottom right hand corner of this shot
Hard to know. It could be just attach areas for the truss. Then again, it could be where they saw something leaving the payload bay.
At the same time, I know checking these inspection images from the NASA TV feed is nothing like what they'll get back on the ground. I know a few of us turned into babbling fools from thinking we were seeing things out of place during earlier missions :)
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Richard
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Back on topic and talking about orbital burns, we are expecting to have another small burn by the orbiter within the next hour called NC 5, this burn is to increase Atlantis' departure from ISS by 4.5 statue miles per orbit.
Richard
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DaveS - 19/6/2007 7:44 PM
ISS undocking photos: http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-117/ndxpage29.html
I'm Confused!!! I don't know which one to put on my computer desktop!!!! They are all great!! ahhhh
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Edit: Good burn!
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One hour until the NC5 burn, at one foot per second.
And that burn is complete.
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What's so funny about the cabin temp controller? They're busting up laughing!!
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Awesome crew highlights video. Love the closeups of the CRT displays and RPOP laptops. Seeing the ISS thru the COAS. Makes me feel like I was there!
Best one ever. Great info on orbiter flying. Explaining Vbar and Rbar. Ford's getting screenshots, but the video is required viewing (when John 44 publishes it). Loving this one.
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--Michael
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--Michael
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Best one ever. Great info on orbiter flying. Explaining Vbar and Rbar. Ford's getting screenshots, but the video is required viewing (when John 44 publishes it). Loving this one.
I love all the PLT/CDR type info.
Hopefully MKirk or Jorge will give us some insight on some of the stuff CJ was talking about. Spec 21 ops, and reselecting jets in case of DPS failure!
Time to dig out the DPS manual and read up on what SPEC 21 is used for!
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Edit: Undocking from inside the orbiter!
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mdrapp - 20/6/2007 2:27 AM
Did anyone quite get the joke about the valve moving?
--Michael
Some joke with the cabin temp control. Looks like they were winding one of the crew up.
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Sounds like the "worm" came from the shuttle payload bay!
Na, that was a seperate event. The worm was after undocking. The "space spider" was a washer fitting from the payload bay a number of hours later.
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/20/2007 01:36 am
Pic 2: Projected V-Bar course around the shuttle
Pic 3: Instructed to take pictures of the ISS, while drifting away
Pic 4: Watching the ISS, using the RMS to take further pictures
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/20/2007 01:37 am
Pic 2: Suni waving at the camera. Getting a bit emotional, leaving her 6 month stay at the ISS
Pic 3: Watching the ISS float away, realizing she's going home
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Pic 2: Still using the RMS to grab closeup shots of the ISS
Pic 3: Three quarters of the way done with the flyaround, that program came in handy
Pic 4: Manual (primary) way to make sure the positioning of Atlantis is correct
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/20/2007 01:39 am
Pic 2: 4/5ths done with the flyaround, this program is used frequently during the flyaround
Pic 3: Flyaround complete!
Pic 4: Looking at the ISS from the crew quarters on the orbiter, next to the tail
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/20/2007 01:39 am
Pic 2: Microgravity is great
Pic 3: You can do anything in microgravity... Things just keep going!
Pic 4: Fun, fun, fun!
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Pic 2: Pat Forrester watching out the window, making sure the OBSS is on course
Pic 3: Probably making sure settings are correct on the panel
Pic 4: What's next? We'll just look in the book!
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/20/2007 01:41 am
Pic 2: Suni getting ready for re-entry and gravity for the first time in 6 months
Pic 3: Danny playing with his juice.. Didn't his mom tell him not to? :laugh:
Pic 4: Looks like.. jello! Playing with juice and dental floss
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/20/2007 01:42 am
Pic 2: 2...
Pic 3: 1...
Pic 4: CONTACT!
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/20/2007 01:43 am
Pic 2: Lifesaver in a water-ball
Pic 3: Looks strangely like an eye-ball!
Pic 4: Good catch, Suni! There's some water floating around, still.. get it!
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/20/2007 01:44 am
Pic 2: Steve Swanson going over a checklist, making sure things are going as planned
Pic 3: Danny O looking out the window at Earth, making sure the surveys are going good
Pic 4: Another program that is essential to surveys in space
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/20/2007 01:45 am
Pic 2: Sequential pictures of the 'payload' spider
Pic 3: Just a loose washer that held blankets in the payload bay
Pic 4: Sequential photos sent to the ground for further inspection
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Pic 2: The OBSS is berth'd for a final time!
Pic 3: Danny O making sure the OBSS is berth'd, and moving the RMS to its proper position
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/20/2007 01:46 am
Pic 2: Orbit 2 director says goodbye, as he is going to watch the weather for landing
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Any chance someone has a capture of the video?
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=6651&start=76&posts=77 - in about three/four hours I reckon.
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backspace - 19/6/2007 10:40 PM
Stockman, I'm in wyandotte across from Amherstberg - was that a beauty or what? :)
It was fantastic. I had to struggle with it through broken clouds but there was enough clear sky to follow it for quite a while. Nice and bright and watching the two of them move in tandem really was impressive. I am in souther ontario along the southern shore of Lake ontario.
Post by: daveglo on 06/20/2007 02:43 am
Wow, what a sight. If you're lucky enough to have the opportunity, it's worth it!
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/20/2007 02:43 am
Looked to be mere feet away from the other.. But it was MILES! Wow! I can't believe they were miles apart!
I'll remember this for the REST of my life!
P.S. I'm shaking right now. That was GREAT!
Post by: jmjawors on 06/20/2007 02:48 am
At this point after undocking, which spacecraft would appear to be "in the lead?"
The reason I ask is that right on schedule the ISS appeared. Following it was a dimmer speck... Atlantis! I'd forgotten that I might be able to see Atlantis, so it was a real bonus (can you tell I'm excited?)!
So I assumed that the brighter was ISS and the dimmer was Atlantis, but then I saw Atlantis flash... really really brightly. Definitely the brightest thing in the sky by far for just a fraction of a second. I know ISS flashes due to her solar arrays, but Atlantis?
I guess I've just never seen anything like it before. I wondered if it was an engine firing, but I know they should be getting to bed by now (plus, I'd not heard of any planned engine firings).
Ok... I'll settle down now. But any thoughts about what I may have seen? Just a random reflection off the radiators or something?
EDIT :: As I was typing, all these other guys saw it too. I'm glad. Anyone see the flash? Bright as day here in St. Louis (literally!)
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Edit: Yes, I saw.. two.. flashes. Not sure if one was lightning or not, but.. I did see one coming from the ISS and Atlantis pair.
Post by: MKremer on 06/20/2007 02:52 am
Nope, you're right - Atlantis is ahead.
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City lights from the Payload bay of Atlantis!
Must have been the Rio area, just passing the coast of Brazil.
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(they'll be repeating this and the crew video throughout the night)
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If I can get this to work..
I took pictures of the Shuttle and ISS passing over Mid Michigan tonight about 10:34.
Atlantis in Lower right leading? surprised it looks that much brigher than ISS .
Even my 15 and 13 year old kids were impressed.. now they want to go watch a shuttle launch!
!["Shuttle]("http://home.comcast.net/~scottaoncable/Photos/shuttle_ISS_overflight_MI_22H33M_19JUN07.jpg" "\"Shuttle")
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Atlantis is brighter? I'm bamboozled by that too.
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Atlantis is 10-20 miles lower, if what I hear is correct, than the ISS, thus, brighter (bigger).
Ahh. Ok. Thanks, Steven... that makes sense. And thanks for your coverage today too! I had to miss the whole thing, so when I got back from work I got a great overview of the flight day.
Post by: daveglo on 06/20/2007 03:28 am
Thanks to all for the clarification. I've got another brief viewing opportunity in 30 minutes, with both of them passing right next to a crecsent moon. Time to set up the camera!
Post by: TrueBlueWitt on 06/20/2007 03:29 am
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Chris Bergin - 19/6/2007 11:18 PM
Sort of thing that should go on the "Sightings" thread, but that's way too cool to move. Thanks for sharing! :)
Thanks for letting me share! :) I'm happy I was able to contribute something back. I've enjoyed the discussions and info on this website immensely since finding it a few months back. Keep up the great work!
This was the first time I've sighted ISS and the Shuttle.. Seeing the sighting comments from everybody else the last few days really tweaked my interest.
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/20/2007 03:37 am
Post by: MKremer on 06/20/2007 03:58 am
Post by: Jorge on 06/20/2007 04:59 am
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j2_ - 19/6/2007 8:29 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 19/6/2007 6:25 PM
Best one ever. Great info on orbiter flying. Explaining Vbar and Rbar. Ford's getting screenshots, but the video is required viewing (when John 44 publishes it). Loving this one.
I love all the PLT/CDR type info.
Hopefully MKirk or Jorge will give us some insight on some of the stuff CJ was talking about. Spec 21 ops, and reselecting jets in case of DPS failure!
Time to dig out the DPS manual and read up on what SPEC 21 is used for!
I didn't see the video the first time so had to wait until they started replaying it.
SPEC 21 - The normal Group B powerdown has the crew take IMU 2 to standby in order to conserve power. During the Group B powerup, prior to undocking, the crew recovers the IMU by sending the Operate command, then aligning IMU 2 to either IMU 1 or 3. This is all done with entries to SPEC 21, the IMU ALIGN display (it's actually not a DPS display...).
Reselecting jets - You may have noticed, looking at pictures of ISS, that the PV radiator on the P6 truss extends forward of PMA2. From the orbiter's perspective, the radiator hangs down in front of the nose, directly in the plume flowfield from the forward firing RCS jets. There are three such jets, and the Digital Autopilot (DAP) normally fires two of them at a time. This puts high plume loads on the radiator, because two RCS jets firing close together have overlapping flowfields that creates a "shock plane" where the fields intersect, greatly amplifying the dynamic pressure. To reduce loads during final approach and right after undocking, procedures call for the crew to deselect two of the three jets, to force the DAP to fire just one at a time. If that last jet were to fail, the orbiter would lose translation capability in that axis. In that event, the crew has trained to quickly reselect one of the other jets. There are other failures besides a straight jet failure that could cause that jet to become unavailable, such as DPS failures. So the crew must be primed to look for other signatures beyond just a jet fail message to determine that the jet is unavailable. This concern should go away after the P6 is relocated from Z1 to P5 on STS-120.
Post by: Jorge on 06/20/2007 05:01 am
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Ford Mustang - 19/6/2007 8:37 PM
Pic 1: During the Flyaround of the ISS, the green (solid) line is where they are, dotted is projected
It's hard to tell in that picture, but the RPOP predictors are not really a dotted line, but the numbers 1-9, signifying where the orbiter will be at one-minute intervals out to nine minutes.
Post by: Jorge on 06/20/2007 05:38 am
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lcs - 19/6/2007 9:51 PM
The shuttle should be leading the ISS, since it is in a lower and faster orbit.
Hmm, no.
The orbiter performed three burns to separate from ISS. SEP1 was a 1.5 fps radial up burn that put the orbiter above and behind ISS. SEP2 was a 1.0 fps posigrade burn that set the orbiter phasing further back behind ISS for Late Inspection (to protect possible re-rendezvous, which would be from behind). NC5, the last burn of the day, was another 1.0 fps posigrade burn that caused the orbiter to fall behind ISS faster. Atlantis' orbit is not much higher than ISS (about 1 nmi, but it is higher).
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/20/2007 07:01 am
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/180454main_s117e08011_hires.jpg
Post by: madmardy on 06/20/2007 07:41 am
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Jorge - 20/6/2007 6:38 AMQuotelcs - 19/6/2007 9:51 PM
orbit is not much higher than ISS (about 1 nmi, but it is higher).
Then please explain how Atlantis can be higher than the ISS AND have moved in front of it
Post by: steve_slitheen on 06/20/2007 07:53 am
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ShuttleDiscovery - 20/6/2007 8:01 AM
Check out the amazing swirl patterns on the top arrays:
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/180454main_s117e08011_hires.jpg
Those are virtual swirls! Caused by interference between the picture resolution and your display. View the picture at full size and the swirls aren't there!