Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 12:14 pm
Post by: Skinny on 06/13/2007 12:00 pm
Live update thread for Flight Day 6 of STS-117:
Post by: leetdan on 06/13/2007 12:06 pm
Post by: Gary on 06/13/2007 12:36 pm
Post by: Jester on 06/13/2007 12:39 pm
Post by: Gary on 06/13/2007 12:55 pm
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/13/2007 01:22 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 02:27 pm
Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/13/2007 02:38 pm
Post by: haywoodfloyd on 06/13/2007 02:38 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 02:39 pm
"JR, you're going to be responsible for powering on the MDA in accordance to the procedure and if you see a panel folding in the wrong direction, hit the abort.
If the panels are not retracting evenly, we will implement the BGA wiggle technique which is step 19,8. The MDA power to on at the completion is an indication that you have cleared the wiggle step, we have completed the wiggle step but we will cap the communication to verify that.
And we need you to assess during and after the wiggle tests and when you pick up step 19,2."
This is verbatim from the ISS CapCom.
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 02:41 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 02:42 pm
Post by: Felix on 06/13/2007 02:43 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 02:43 pm
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/13/2007 02:47 pm
Post by: Felix on 06/13/2007 02:47 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 02:48 pm
Post by: Felix on 06/13/2007 02:48 pm
Post by: Felix on 06/13/2007 02:48 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 02:52 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 02:57 pm
Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/13/2007 02:58 pm
Post by: Felix on 06/13/2007 02:59 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 02:59 pm
Post by: Felix on 06/13/2007 03:03 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 03:03 pm
Post by: Felix on 06/13/2007 03:03 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 03:04 pm
Post by: Felix on 06/13/2007 03:05 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 03:05 pm
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/13/2007 03:05 pm
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Norm Hartnett - 13/6/2007 8:58 AM
I would like to see the justification for attempting the retraction without planning for the extensive EVA's that were required for P6-4B. I cannot think of any reason for optimism for a successful remote retract.
The optimism is limited to their feeling that they can get it done with less EVA time, *not zero*, based on the lessons learned from the last time. I think that's reasonable.
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 03:06 pm
Post by: Felix on 06/13/2007 03:06 pm
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/13/2007 03:06 pm
Post by: Felix on 06/13/2007 03:06 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 03:06 pm
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/13/2007 03:07 pm
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/13/2007 03:08 pm
Post by: kneecaps on 06/13/2007 03:09 pm
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Lee Jay - 13/6/2007 4:05 PMQuoteNorm Hartnett - 13/6/2007 8:58 AM
I would like to see the justification for attempting the retraction without planning for the extensive EVA's that were required for P6-4B. I cannot think of any reason for optimism for a successful remote retract.
The optimism is limited to their feeling that they can get it done with less EVA time, *not zero*, based on the lessons learned from the last time. I think that's reasonable.
Um...they are planned for...there are 45 mins in EVA2 and 5 whole hours in EVA3
Post by: JesseD on 06/13/2007 03:09 pm
Post by: Felix on 06/13/2007 03:14 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 03:15 pm
Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/13/2007 03:16 pm
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kneecaps - 13/6/2007 8:09 AMQuoteLee Jay - 13/6/2007 4:05 PMQuoteNorm Hartnett - 13/6/2007 8:58 AM
I would like to see the justification for attempting the retraction without planning for the extensive EVA's that were required for P6-4B. I cannot think of any reason for optimism for a successful remote retract.
The optimism is limited to their feeling that they can get it done with less EVA time, *not zero*, based on the lessons learned from the last time. I think that's reasonable.
Um...they are planned for...there are 45 mins in EVA2 and 5 whole hours in EVA3
You must have a different flight plan/exe package than I do. I see 5 hours of retract on flight day 7 but no EVA.
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 03:23 pm
Post by: ApolloLee on 06/13/2007 03:27 pm
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Norm Hartnett - 13/6/2007 8:16 AM
You must have a different flight plan/exe package than I do. I see 5 hours of retract on flight day 7 but no EVA.
Well, I just hope they have the right one up there...... ;)
Post by: whitewatcher on 06/13/2007 03:30 pm
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JesseD - 13/6/2007 5:09 PM
LOL!!! that was hilarious! I was wondering who forgot to turn their mic off... :laugh:
what happened?
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 03:33 pm
Post by: ApolloLee on 06/13/2007 03:38 pm
Other bays:
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 03:51 pm
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/13/2007 03:53 pm
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/13/2007 04:06 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:09 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 04:09 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 04:10 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:13 pm
Now!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:14 pm
View of it zoomed in.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:19 pm
Another attempt to retract in 3 mins after wiggle cycle.
Post by: JesseD on 06/13/2007 04:20 pm
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whitewatcher - 13/6/2007 11:30 AMQuoteJesseD - 13/6/2007 5:09 PM
LOL!!! that was hilarious! I was wondering who forgot to turn their mic off... :laugh:
what happened?
Someone played "Walking on the moon" (the song) over the audio link. interrupted about 3 different conversations. :)
Post by: jaredgalen on 06/13/2007 04:22 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:23 pm
Now.
Post by: chksix on 06/13/2007 04:23 pm
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/13/2007 04:26 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:26 pm
Now.
(BTW EVA getting ready to go. You can hear the sounds on NASA TV)
Post by: Oli4 on 06/13/2007 04:26 pm
Post by: TrueBlueWitt on 06/13/2007 04:26 pm
Post by: jmjawors on 06/13/2007 04:28 pm
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Zachstar - 13/6/2007 11:26 AM
(BTW EVA getting ready to go. You can hear the sounds on NASA TV)
You sure could. Thank goodness that finally stopped!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:32 pm
Go for repress.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:36 pm
Post by: stroker on 06/13/2007 04:36 pm
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TrueBlueWitt - 13/6/2007 11:26 AM
How many bays have they retracted now?
About seven with one currently in progress.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:38 pm
(Array wants a rest while his brother didn't :bleh: )
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/13/2007 04:39 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:39 pm
Go for wiggle. at 16:42 UTC
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 04:42 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:45 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:52 pm
Considering giving them that go real quick.
Close to sunset.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:55 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 04:55 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:56 pm
Success! Alot further on this run than anticipated!
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/13/2007 04:57 pm
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 04:59 pm
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Lee Jay - 13/6/2007 6:57 PMUnder 19.5 bays.
Did they have to get under 20 still extended or over 20 retracted before the SARJ could go to work?
Post by: TrueBlueWitt on 06/13/2007 05:01 pm
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/13/2007 05:06 pm
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DaveS - 13/6/2007 10:59 AMQuoteLee Jay - 13/6/2007 6:57 PMUnder 19.5 bays.
Did they have to get under 20 still extended or over 20 retracted before the SARJ could go to work?
Thanks, I keep getting that confused.
So, this means they're already pretty close. Nice!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 05:06 pm
Waiting for Ku
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 05:07 pm
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TrueBlueWitt - 13/6/2007 7:01 PMI guess that they don't want put more than the necessary stress on the array.
Have they decided against doing any re-extend then retract cycles this time? I remember they tried that quite a bit when they had all the problems retracting the other array.
This is the reason why they won't shake the Solar Array Blanket Boxes(SABBs).
Post by: Speedracer on 06/13/2007 05:17 pm
"Shake, shake, shake, senora..."
/tomorrow's wakeup call?
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 05:24 pm
The coom has been pretty poor on this mission.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 05:26 pm
They can hear them tho.
Control will cycle and repair it.
Post by: Ankle-bone12 on 06/13/2007 05:30 pm
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Zachstar - 13/6/2007 12:24 PM
The coom has been pretty poor on this mission.
I concur. whats the deal?
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/13/2007 05:40 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 05:41 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 05:42 pm
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/13/2007 05:43 pm
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/13/2007 05:46 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 05:47 pm
Some big issue with the big loop.
Post by: jmjawors on 06/13/2007 05:49 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 05:49 pm
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/13/2007 05:49 pm
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Zachstar - 13/6/2007 6:47 PM
The comm system is all messed up!
Some big issue with the big loop.
Yeah, all sounds a bit dodgy at the moment! :)
Post by: jmjawors on 06/13/2007 05:51 pm
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/13/2007 05:51 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 05:52 pm
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ShuttleDiscovery - 13/6/2007 12:51 PM
Worrying sounds coming from my speakers at thw moment! :( :o
Just some buzz with the handheld mic.
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/13/2007 05:53 pm
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Zachstar - 13/6/2007 6:52 PMQuoteShuttleDiscovery - 13/6/2007 12:51 PM
Worrying sounds coming from my speakers at thw moment! :( :o
Just some buzz with the handheld mic.
Yeah, reminds me of electric hair clippers! :)
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 05:55 pm
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 05:56 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 05:56 pm
Very ratty comm.
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/13/2007 05:58 pm
Post by: Ankle-bone12 on 06/13/2007 05:59 pm
EDIT: just got it back.
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/13/2007 05:59 pm
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Ankle-bone12 - 13/6/2007 6:59 PM
I just lost coverage, did that happen to anyone else?
Nope.
Post by: jmjawors on 06/13/2007 05:59 pm
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Ankle-bone12 - 13/6/2007 12:59 PM
I just lost coverage, did that happen to anyone else?
It's still going strong for me.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:00 pm
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/13/2007 06:01 pm
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Zachstar - 13/6/2007 7:00 PM
Lots of EVA air sound! Cool!
How long until depressurisation complete? :)
EDIT: Just heard when
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:01 pm
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Ankle-bone12 - 13/6/2007 12:59 PM
I just lost coverage, did that happen to anyone else?
No
Try the different links and software at.
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=5791
Try VLC
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:03 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:04 pm
Expect alert tone.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:06 pm
at 5 they will pause to perform a suit leak check.
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/13/2007 06:07 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:10 pm
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 06:11 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:13 pm
Pump off.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:16 pm
If all goes well this wont take too long.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:21 pm
Psi falling as it is dumped overboard. If enough remains you may see the fabric cover "pop" off. If they have a view that is.
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 06:24 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:25 pm
Almost ready!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:28 pm
Ku bad.
Post depress.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:29 pm
1:28 CDT
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 06:30 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:31 pm
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 06:34 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:35 pm
Better than nothing!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:35 pm
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 06:37 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:39 pm
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 06:40 pm
Richard
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/13/2007 06:42 pm
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 06:45 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:46 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:50 pm
---------------------------
Leader spring to be cut.
Look at FCC leader. Wasn't folding exactly right.
Inboard along box releasing any binding.
Steve working on box and wiggle.
Handoff hockey stick to go to outer leader.
Move to left blanket box... same.
Move out for retract!
Down to 24 bays before EVA.
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Heading up the away. Warning to avoid sensors.
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Image: ISS Attitude for Ku reference.
Post by: Johnny Rönnberg on 06/13/2007 06:50 pm
I want the KU now! It's the tax-payers that have pay for the station and all the hardware. Ok, it's not my tax money, but it's the principle. ;)
edit. It's my tax money! Sweden it also in on it.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:52 pm
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Johnny Rönnberg - 13/6/2007 1:50 PM
waiting impatient on the KU!
I want the KU now! It's the tax-payers that have pay for the station and all the hardware. Ok, it's not my tax money, but it's the principle. ;)
Comm has been absolutely horrid on this mission.
Maybe they need to purchase Ku time on Russian and private sats for video feeds.
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 06:52 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:54 pm
But from setup they were supposed to translate to Z1 then up to P6. There Steve goes up to the Canister and pat starts working on getting stuff setup to climb onto the CanadaArm2.
This should be inwork now.
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 06:57 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:57 pm
Bring arm port towards the truss.
Happening now.
Good Motion.
Complete.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 06:58 pm
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 06:59 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:00 pm
They say they have a "better view" :cool:
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:01 pm
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sts1canada - 13/6/2007 1:59 PM
As I keep saying, don't expect KU for about 10 - 15 more minutes, sunrise in 9 minutes.
Richard
And you are right. Dang you sure know how to do these Ku predictions!.
Maybe we ought to deem you "TDRS expert" ;)
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:01 pm
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 07:02 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:03 pm
HelmetCam on Steve.
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 07:05 pm
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Zachstar - 13/6/2007 3:01 PMQuotests1canada - 13/6/2007 1:59 PM
As I keep saying, don't expect KU for about 10 - 15 more minutes, sunrise in 9 minutes.
Richard
And you are right. Dang you sure know how to do these Ku predictions!.
Maybe we ought to deem you "TDRS expert" ;)
Thanks Zach, I just have been following these STS missions for the past 30 years, and the past 10 years on the web with satellite tracking, so these KU predicts become predictable. I appreciate your compliments and your coverage, hope everyone else does too!
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:06 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:07 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:08 pm
Images
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:09 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:11 pm
Steve is working with the "Hockey Stick" on the blankets.
Arm in motion.
Steve has access to the guide wire.
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 07:11 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:12 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:13 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:14 pm
Station forward 3-4 feet.
Station Zenith
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:15 pm
Wish we could see some HelmetCams or ISS Cameras.
Post by: Speedracer on 06/13/2007 07:15 pm
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Zachstar - 13/6/2007 3:11 PM
Steve is working with the "Hockey Stick" on the blankets.
He shoots, he scores!
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 07:17 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:18 pm
We can see some work on the arm but PAO isnt giving us much to work with.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:21 pm
Steve on the canister Pat on the Arm.
Working!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:22 pm
Now he is heading to the other.
Fast!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:23 pm
Steve getting set up to work the right away.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:25 pm
Using the Digital Camera
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 07:26 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:26 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:27 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:28 pm
View from Pats HelmetCam of the P6 array and S4 array!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:30 pm
View of Batteries on P6
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:30 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:31 pm
1:22 Duration EVA so far.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:33 pm
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 07:33 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:34 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:35 pm
He is now very close to the array.
Post by: ace007 on 06/13/2007 07:36 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:36 pm
Looks good so far on the array!
18 inches right now.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:37 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:38 pm
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 07:38 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:39 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:40 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:41 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:41 pm
Cut on the metal!
SUCCESS!!!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:43 pm
Wow pat handled the cut extremely fast!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:44 pm
Another image.
Post by: eeergo on 06/13/2007 07:44 pm
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 07:44 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:45 pm
Down and Away from the array.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:46 pm
Post by: Speedracer on 06/13/2007 07:47 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:48 pm
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Speedracer - 13/6/2007 2:47 PM
Passing the baton
Hockey Stick! Don't Diss it!
Back to the array!
3/4 repairs complete!
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 07:49 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:49 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:50 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:51 pm
Gonna reach around and fix.
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 07:52 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:52 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:53 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:54 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:55 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:56 pm
Sliding it out!
SUCCESS!
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 07:57 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:57 pm
Post by: jabe on 06/13/2007 07:58 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 07:58 pm
Good eyes pat!
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 07:59 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:00 pm
Thinks he can flatten it out.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:01 pm
Post by: Johnny Rönnberg on 06/13/2007 08:01 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:02 pm
Image of this orbit.
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 08:02 pm
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Johnny Rönnberg - 13/6/2007 10:01 PMThis was expected as they're entering the Zone of Exclusion(ZOE).
No!! :(
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 08:02 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:02 pm
3 feet ready to go!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:02 pm
Looks great so far!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:03 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:04 pm
Ready to Retract!
Sunset coming!
Going to back one more bay!
Retract!
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 08:04 pm
Richard
Post by: Johnny Rönnberg on 06/13/2007 08:04 pm
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DaveS - 13/6/2007 10:02 PMQuoteJohnny Rönnberg - 13/6/2007 10:01 PMThis was expected as they're entering the Zone of Exclusion(ZOE).
No!! :(
I know that, it's was only a spontaneous reaction.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:05 pm
One more!
Ready!
Retract!
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 08:06 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:06 pm
Yet again! One more!
Ready!
Retract!
Going VERY VERY GOOD!
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 08:07 pm
Richard
Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 08:07 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:07 pm
Pat goes to do a bit more work.
Haha needs his tool!
Reporting there is Alot of light on the array.
Post by: hornet on 06/13/2007 08:08 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:09 pm
Pat moving in to work!
6 more inches.
Hold!
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 08:09 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:12 pm
Post by: Jorge on 06/13/2007 08:12 pm
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sts1canada - 13/6/2007 3:07 PM
I wish they would say "stop" instead of "abort" as abort sounds more serious especially when there is no KU available to see what they see.
Richard
They use "abort" because that's the name of the PCS command the crew sends to stop the array. Sticking to the standard nomenclature is policy because it prevents confusion between the crew and the ground.
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 08:12 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:13 pm
I miss Ku :(
Moving Pat back now!
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 08:14 pm
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Jorge - 13/6/2007 4:12 PMQuotests1canada - 13/6/2007 3:07 PM
I wish they would say "stop" instead of "abort" as abort sounds more serious especially when there is no KU available to see what they see.
Richard
They use "abort" because that's the name of the PCS command the crew sends to stop the array. Sticking to the standard nomenclature is policy because it prevents confusion between the crew and the ground.
Thanks Jorge, I did not know that and I have been wondering about it since STS-116.
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:14 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:15 pm
Repair: SUCCESS!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:16 pm
Image
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:17 pm
Good Visual!
Asking ground for retract permission!
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 08:17 pm
Right now we have Ku through TDRS-Z, it will not last long.
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:18 pm
Ready!
Retract!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:19 pm
Watching for Hangs!
One more bay!
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/13/2007 08:19 pm
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hornet - 13/6/2007 9:08 PM
so thats 10 or 11 retracted so far right?
12 now I believe.
Post by: TrueBlueWitt on 06/13/2007 08:20 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:20 pm
Retract!
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 08:21 pm
Richard
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:21 pm
Big picture plan.
Fluff
great job!
Retract Tomorrow
Press on to SARJ Tasks.
Bay count: Soon enough.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:23 pm
Quick Glove Inspection before and after the fluff.
Then its back to the airlock to switch tethers!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:24 pm
Post by: Captain Scarlet on 06/13/2007 08:26 pm
14 bays retracted
7 Wiggles
0 Bounces
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Captain Scarlet - 13/6/2007 4:26 PM
I've counted:
14 bays retracted
7 Wiggles
0 Bounces
Any shimmers? ;)
Post by: TrueBlueWitt on 06/13/2007 08:31 pm
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Speedracer - 13/6/2007 9:30 PM
So is P6 cleared of S4? Can S4 and SARJ be activated?
I think they are about three to five bays short. Waiting for someone to confirm.
Post by: Blade_Pride on 06/13/2007 08:31 pm
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 08:31 pm
Richard
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/13/2007 08:33 pm
Same image still, so won't be adding any new ones unless it's of something different.
Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/13/2007 08:33 pm
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Speedracer - 13/6/2007 10:30 PMS4 is already active and generating power. It's not tracking the sun however. And they are below the 19.5 bay limit for SARJ rotation, they're at 16 bays currently.
So is P6 cleared of S4? Can S4 and SARJ be activated?
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/13/2007 08:34 pm
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Chris Bergin - 13/6/2007 4:31 PMMegan McArthur called up to CJ a little while ago while they were retracting to let them know that they won't be able to start the SARJ today even if they get inside the clearance threshhold.QuoteSpeedracer - 13/6/2007 9:30 PM
So is P6 cleared of S4? Can S4 and SARJ be activated?
I think they are about three to five bays short. Waiting for someone to confirm.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/13/2007 08:36 pm
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Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 08:39 pm
Richard
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 08:56 pm
Just had lunch. Amazing! what a few PB,& Js can do for ya!
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 08:57 pm
Richard
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 09:01 pm
Arm moving out. Thanks CanadaArm2!
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Post by: mkirk on 06/13/2007 09:04 pm
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Chris Bergin - 13/6/2007 3:52 PM
Brew being asked to move the arm aft a bit more. Making his way down the array nicely.
Just FYI because it is semi interesting;
BREW is actually BRU - for Bomb Release Unit - not to be confused with his bartending or beer drinking ability.
On aircraft such as the F-16 and F-15 the practice bombs are attached to the aircraft via a rack called the BRU. Apparently early on in Archambaults career he was making a run in a Lawn Dart uhm I mean F-16 at the practice range and somehow managed to drop the whole bomb rack instead of just the practice bomb(s) oops! Damn switchology will get you every time! That is considered bad form and you tend to loose cool points for something like that.
As is standard in the flying community when you screw something up everyone makes sure you never forget it a call sign is a good way to ensure people you havent even met yet will evetually hear how you messed something up
Mark Kirkman
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/13/2007 09:07 pm
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Zachstar - 13/6/2007 10:06 PM
Looks like they found some piece of glove?
There's a guy called Beamer who'd like that back (I hope!)
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 09:08 pm
Richard
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Richard
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mkirk - 13/6/2007 5:04 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 13/6/2007 3:52 PM
Brew being asked to move the arm aft a bit more. Making his way down the array nicely.
Just FYI because it is semi interesting;
BREW is actually BRU - for Bob Release Unit - not to be confused with his bartending or bear drinking ability.
On aircraft such as the F-16 and F-15 the practice bombs are attached to the aircraft via a rack called the BRU. Apparently early on in Archambaults career he was making a run in a Lawn Dart uhm I mean F-16 at the practice range and somehow managed to drop the whole bomb rack instead of just the practice bomb(s) oops! Damn switchology will get you every time! That is considered bad form and you tend to loose cool points for something like that.
As is standard in the flying community when you screw something up everyone makes sure you never forget it a call sign is a good way to ensure people you havent even met yet will evetually hear how you messed something up
Mark Kirkman
Poor Bob. Why would they release him from an F-16? What'd he ever do to Archambault?
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 09:16 pm
Post by: spacequestioner on 06/13/2007 09:17 pm
From EVA - 5:05 pm EST
"Hey JR can you see my (WBF? ) what I see right here. Kinda interesting."
"Let me get the...Let me get your left camera on. Hold on."
"Ok, point at it again."
"Looks like some discoloration in the Metal."
"It's about a 3/4 inch by 1/2 inch piece of RTV from a glove from a
previous spacewalk."
"Really!"
"So I'm just going to go grab it I think."
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 09:18 pm
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 09:18 pm
Richard
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Speedracer - 13/6/2007 5:15 PMQuotemkirk - 13/6/2007 5:04 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 13/6/2007 3:52 PM
Brew being asked to move the arm aft a bit more. Making his way down the array nicely.
Just FYI because it is semi interesting;
BREW is actually BRU - for Bob Release Unit - not to be confused with his bartending or bear drinking ability.
Mark Kirkman
Poor Bob. Why would they release him from an F-16? What'd he ever do to Archambault?
Forget Bob! I wanna hear about the bear. ;)
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 09:23 pm
Post by: sts1canada on 06/13/2007 09:24 pm
Richard
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Post by: Speedracer on 06/13/2007 09:25 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 09:27 pm
Continues working on the Brace Beam.
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joncz - 13/6/2007 4:22 PMQuoteSpeedracer - 13/6/2007 5:15 PMQuotemkirk - 13/6/2007 5:04 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 13/6/2007 3:52 PM
Brew being asked to move the arm aft a bit more. Making his way down the array nicely.
Just FYI because it is semi interesting;
BREW is actually BRU - for Bob Release Unit - not to be confused with his bartending or bear drinking ability.
Mark Kirkman
Poor Bob. Why would they release him from an F-16? What'd he ever do to Archambault?
Forget Bob! I wanna hear about the bear. ;)
Okay so I'm not the best typer in the world. I actually did catch those and I thought I had them fixed right after I posted...I guess they didn't take.
The system is probably overwhelmed since Zachstar has gone picture crazy... ;)
Bob and the Bear might have made for a more interesting story than the one I told...
Mark Kirkman
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 09:34 pm
More Images.
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3:15 Into today's EVA
Post by: elmarko on 06/13/2007 09:45 pm
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elmarko - 13/6/2007 4:45 PM
When's the next Ku pass?
Just a guess at 20 mins.
Post by: DwightM on 06/13/2007 09:50 pm
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 09:55 pm
They are driving in something to the brace beam: Success!
View of the attitude of the station.
Post by: Johnny Rönnberg on 06/13/2007 10:00 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 10:00 pm
Waiting on Ku
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 10:02 pm
Steve has started on the launch locks.
They are covered with launch lock covers which have to be removed first and reinstalled afterwards.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 10:04 pm
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 10:08 pm
Looking for that wonderful Ku ;)
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 10:09 pm
View of the Quest airlock.
3:40 Eva Duration
Sunrise!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 10:13 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 10:16 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 10:18 pm
Steve going to the next Launch Lock cover.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 10:28 pm
Image of the quest airlock.
Post by: rio on 06/13/2007 10:28 pm
Post by: steve_slitheen on 06/13/2007 10:29 pm
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Zachstar - 13/6/2007 11:16 PM
Hey Europe! Y'all are about to get some NICE flyovers! and its long night overthere meaning its going to be BRIGHT!
Oh yeah! Went outside about an hour ago and saw ISS go straight overhead. Even without knowing it was ISS there's no mistaking it. Nothing else gets that bright. Looking forward to 2 more sets of solar arrays!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 10:32 pm
Has to remove Multi Insulation Covers first.
Steve still on launch locks and restraints.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 10:37 pm
EVA3: OMS Pod Blanket Repair!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 10:40 pm
Steve: HelmetCam view of stowing the next launch lock!
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Image from Pats helmetcam
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Zachstar - 13/6/2007 5:16 PM
Hey Europe! Y'all are about to get some NICE flyovers! and its long night overthere meaning its going to be BRIGHT!
Bright like never before :)
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Post by: sbt on 06/13/2007 11:09 pm
From the sound of it, due to being in 'Drive' the drive pinion is not rotating as the unit is pushed down and hence the teeth are clashing with those on the drive ring.
Rick
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Post by: DaveS on 06/13/2007 11:12 pm
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makims - 14/6/2007 1:00 AMQuoteZachstar - 13/6/2007 5:16 PM
Hey Europe! Y'all are about to get some NICE flyovers! and its long night overthere meaning its going to be BRIGHT!
Bright like never before :)
Will fade a bit when Atlantis undocks, though.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 11:18 pm
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JimO - 13/6/2007 6:07 PM
I've been advised to pay attention to A/G discussions about the Russian flight computers. There seems to be something unusual going on regarding them. I've been away the last hour so I haven't been able to monitor. I may go over to the post-MMT presser at 9 CDT. Any other questions need asking, on-line or off-line?
JimO, I was wondering this. If after Atlantis departs, and the Russian flight computers are non-functional/degraded, what happens if the CMG's saturate? Is there a tertiary control system?
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JimO - 13/6/2007 6:07 PMMy question would be: How confident are you that that the 2B array will come in nicely without any EV assistance?
I've been advised to pay attention to A/G discussions about the Russian flight computers. There seems to be something unusual going on regarding them. I've been away the last hour so I haven't been able to monitor. I may go over to the post-MMT presser at 9 CDT. Any other questions need asking, on-line or off-line?
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 11:24 pm
Post by: gordo on 06/13/2007 11:29 pm
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gruff68 - 14/6/2007 12:19 AMQuoteJimO - 13/6/2007 6:07 PM
I've been advised to pay attention to A/G discussions about the Russian flight computers. There seems to be something unusual going on regarding them. I've been away the last hour so I haven't been able to monitor. I may go over to the post-MMT presser at 9 CDT. Any other questions need asking, on-line or off-line?
JimO, I was wondering this. If after Atlantis departs, and the Russian flight computers are non-functional/degraded, what happens if the CMG's saturate? Is there a tertiary control system?
The service module takes over attitude control.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 11:30 pm
The gear teeth may not be meshing properly.
Possible the wires may be crossed!
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DaveS - 14/6/2007 12:23 AM
My question would be: How confident are you that that the 2B array will come in nicely without any EV assistance?
It had some assistance already earlier today didn't it? I particualrly liked the 'Hockey Stick'...did they make that on-orbit? :)
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kneecaps - 13/6/2007 6:30 PMQuoteDaveS - 14/6/2007 12:23 AM
My question would be: How confident are you that that the 2B array will come in nicely without any EV assistance?
It had some assistance already earlier today didn't it? I particualrly liked the 'Hockey Stick'...did they make that on-orbit? :)
Suni made it I believe.
Suni is awesome!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 11:36 pm
Here is another view of the launch lock bag.
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Time is getting kinda short. When are they going to start removing Launch restraints?
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 11:38 pm
DLA 1 and 2 possibly Crosswired
Position DLA1 Manually.
While Holding DL2 to Neutral.
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Went fast so I only picked up some of it.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 11:38 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 11:39 pm
...... Or not
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Had an effect.
The wires were crossed!
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Zachstar - 14/6/2007 1:39 AMIt's lighting from the cameras.
Another Sunrise on the Quest Airlock!
...... Or not
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DaveS - 13/6/2007 6:40 PMQuoteZachstar - 14/6/2007 1:39 AMIt's lighting from the cameras.
Another Sunrise on the Quest Airlock!
...... Or not
The track shows sunrise right about now.
Sunrise!
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Zachstar - 14/6/2007 12:40 AM
Commanding the DLA!
Had an effect.
The wires were crossed!
Doh! S3/S4 Built by Homer Simpson inc....not Boeing
Post by: ZeeNL on 06/13/2007 11:54 pm
Post by: gordo on 06/13/2007 11:56 pm
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ZeeNL - 14/6/2007 12:54 AM
A lot of discussions going on in the control rooms.
Joe Tanner is in there along with Megan(capcom). Joe did the P3/P4 install EVAs on STS-115
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gordo - 13/6/2007 4:42 PM
Doh! S3/S4 Built by Homer Simpson inc....not Boeing
Doh indeed...
At least its fixable... Not like they made the wires three feet when they should have been three meters. (Sorry, Lockheed)
Post by: ZeeNL on 06/13/2007 11:58 pm
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:00 am
2 more of these to go!
Meanwhile Steve removes more Launch locks.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:01 am
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CWC #3 Started at 00:14 and delivered.
IMU Align is not needed.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:02 am
Ready to engage!
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:05 am
3 launch locks left.
Pat is going to do some Photo Documentation while the ground is talking about the plan.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:10 am
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:11 am
JR asking to break torque on launch restraints.
View of a truss.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:18 am
They are going to send commands now.
If all goes well it will be vice versa and they will verify on a different EVA.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:20 am
DLA2 start sent. Watching DLA1
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:21 am
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:23 am
NOW!
Sees motion! Good Engage!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:25 am
Waiting on word on Launch Locks and Restraints.
Not much I think they can do in 30 mins.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:28 am
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Stop now
or
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Complete Launch Locks.
Temp rail stops.
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Crew wants to break torque on launch restraints.
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Pat concurs.
Words from manager so they wait.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:28 am
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:30 am
Once all locks are removed with cover on DLA they will break torque on launch restraints.
Launch Locks first.
EVA Way behind.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:31 am
1 or 5
Due to questionable status of DL2
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:32 am
Not much time and there is alot to do.
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Post by: ETEE on 06/14/2007 12:37 am
ps Raining in London so no views.
Would appreciate a list tomorrow night's viewing opportunities for London. Thanks.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:38 am
Post by: Pete at Edwards on 06/14/2007 12:39 am
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Zachstar - 13/6/2007 7:32 PM
6:02 into a 6:30 spacewalk :(
Not much time and there is alot to do.
Can someone give a two line roundup of what went wrong?
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:42 am
Good news! They are GO for a 7 hour EVA.
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Pete at Edwards - 14/6/2007 1:39 AMQuoteZachstar - 13/6/2007 7:32 PM
6:02 into a 6:30 spacewalk :(
Not much time and there is alot to do.
Can someone give a two line roundup of what went wrong?
DLAs are supposed to be bolted down with the assembly in neutral; ie with the gears not engaged. The wiring for the DLAs was swapped meaning that DLA2 was in "engage" instead of "neutral" while they were bolting it down. DLA1 was presumably in neutral instead of engage. They will check DLA1 physically on the next EVA. DLA2 has already been confirmed as swapped over by this EVA team.
Post by: shuttlefan on 06/14/2007 12:43 am
OK, really, how much damage do they seriously expect to the orbiter if they re-enter with the torn thermal blanket not repaired and is it really worth going through all this testing on the ground, reference to Chris's article, and actually sending an astronaut to the OMS pod to do this?
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shuttlefan - 13/6/2007 7:43 PM
I hope I'm posting this in the right thread--
OK, really, how much damage do they seriously expect to the orbiter if they re-enter with the torn thermal blanket not repaired and is it really worth going through all this testing on the ground, reference to Chris's article, and actually sending an astronaut to the OMS pod to do this?
Possibly enough to send Atlantis to a Museum when she lands.
You don't want that do you? We need Atlantis bad!
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:46 am
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Zachstar - 14/6/2007 2:44 AMEasy answer is: They don't know. They have entered with waay worse OMS pod issues before and always got the orbiters+the pods back.Quoteshuttlefan - 13/6/2007 7:43 PM
I hope I'm posting this in the right thread--
OK, really, how much damage do they seriously expect to the orbiter if they re-enter with the torn thermal blanket not repaired and is it really worth going through all this testing on the ground, reference to Chris's article, and actually sending an astronaut to the OMS pod to do this?
Possibly enough to send Atlantis to a Museum when she lands.
You don't want that do you? We need Atlantis bad!
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shuttlefan - 14/6/2007 1:43 AM
I hope I'm posting this in the right thread--
OK, really, how much damage do they seriously expect to the orbiter if they re-enter with the torn thermal blanket not repaired and is it really worth going through all this testing on the ground, reference to Chris's article, and actually sending an astronaut to the OMS pod to do this?
Reason given by Mr Shannon was that damage to the orbiter structure could result if no repair was made. The mission could easily be extended for a fourth EVA so non problemo do the repair.
Post by: Ankle-bone12 on 06/14/2007 12:48 am
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shuttlefan - 13/6/2007 7:43 PM
I hope I'm posting this in the right thread--
OK, really, how much damage do they seriously expect to the orbiter if they re-enter with the torn thermal blanket not repaired and is it really worth going through all this testing on the ground, reference to Chris's article, and actually sending an astronaut to the OMS pod to do this?
They said in the briefing yesterday that its happened before alot aand they didn't do anytrhing about it. They also said that it would be fine if the whole blanket came off. No I dont think its worth the extended mission. but then again Im not an nasa engineer, Im a freshman In college.
EDIT: so im not telling anyone how to do there job.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:50 am
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Zachstar - 13/6/2007 6:44 PMQuoteshuttlefan - 13/6/2007 7:43 PM
I hope I'm posting this in the right thread--
OK, really, how much damage do they seriously expect to the orbiter if they re-enter with the torn thermal blanket not repaired and is it really worth going through all this testing on the ground, reference to Chris's article, and actually sending an astronaut to the OMS pod to do this?
Possibly enough to send Atlantis to a Museum when she lands.
You don't want that do you? We need Atlantis bad!
Actually we need Atlantis good... :laugh:
I think the chance of serious damage is less than 1 in a thousand, probably much less than that, but repairing it is worthwhile anyway, because they can, because any time spent practising repairs may be useful in future missions, and because knowing the effects of re-entry on the repairs will itself be useful.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:51 am
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:52 am
2/4 bolts for lock then the cover install.
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Ankle-bone12 - 14/6/2007 1:48 AM
They said in the briefing yesterday that its happened before alot aand they didn't do anytrhing about it. They also said that it would be fine if the whole blanket came off. No I dont think its worth the extended mission. but then again Im not an nasa engineer, Im a freshman In college.
They didn't say it would be fine if the whole blanket came off, they said it wouldn't be a flight safety problem, as in loss of vehicle.
They know that there will likely be damage to the OMS Pod if they don't effect a repair. So considering there is the capabillity to add an extra EVA to try and repair and hopefully prevent/reduce damage....why not do it? How is it not worth it..you lose nothing by trying and gain majorly if you succeed (Non-zero sum ;).
Post by: zinfab on 06/14/2007 12:53 am
This just made it a "no brainer" in the words of NASA. If they can take an hour or two to try to protect it a little more there, they will have LESS to work on the ground. We need to protect the equipment. They were REASONABLY confident that they COULD have entered with this, however--given previous missions.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:55 am
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:56 am
All but 1
Helmetcam: Steve
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/14/2007 12:56 am
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zinfab - 14/6/2007 1:53 AM
The option to extend was there with or without the blanket issue. If they had the consumables, they were GOING to consider a 4th EVA anyway.
This just made it a "no brainer" in the words of NASA. If they can take an hour or two to try to protect it a little more there, they will have LESS to work on the ground. We need to protect the equipment. They were REASONABLY confident that they COULD have entered with this, however--given previous missions.
Exactly.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 12:59 am
Steve still seems to be go to complete the torque break tho.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 01:00 am
Pat is complete on the last Launch Lock Cover. Back to the Airlock.
Steve continues to break torque.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 01:01 am
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 01:03 am
Steve continues to break torques.
Post by: bsegal on 06/14/2007 01:05 am
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 01:05 am
Gonna grab some stuff and head back.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 01:07 am
This will eat up get ahead time but we still have that EVA4
I assume the new EVA plan for 3 and 4 will be on L2 right?
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 01:09 am
sockets and vice grips stuff like that.
4 mins to sunrise.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 01:12 am
Sunrise!
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Clarified by Megan as being a prompt begining to a normal rate repress rather than a fast repress.
Rick
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Scrubbers completely saturated.
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Getting ready to close the Hatch.
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Hatch Closing
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Now on hardline comms. There was a short delay whilst they worked round a switch whose 'toggle is missing'.
In Repress
Rick
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jabe - 13/6/2007 6:37 PM
why do they need to wait the 2 minutes?
I assume to ensure that the spray cooling system water has entirely sublimated.
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LONG EVA thats for sure!
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Wow that was fast.
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ETA:... or is he OK? poorly phrased expression on my part, sorry, just glad that they ended up safely.
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Joffan - 13/6/2007 8:57 PM
We need confirmation on Patrick's state... Is he blue or purple?
That isn't funny man. :angry:
EVAs are highly dangerous. Please note that this isn't a walk in the park.
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Ankle-bone12 - 13/6/2007 7:48 PMQuoteshuttlefan - 13/6/2007 7:43 PM
I hope I'm posting this in the right thread--
OK, really, how much damage do they seriously expect to the orbiter if they re-enter with the torn thermal blanket not repaired and is it really worth going through all this testing on the ground, reference to Chris's article, and actually sending an astronaut to the OMS pod to do this?
They said in the briefing yesterday that its happened before alot aand they didn't do anytrhing about it. They also said that it would be fine if the whole blanket came off. No I dont think its worth the extended mission. but then again Im not an nasa engineer, Im a freshman In college.
EDIT: so im not telling anyone how to do there job.
I'm not trying to tell anyone how to do their job either. I'm just wondering if the risk is worth the reward in this case. ;)
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/14/2007 02:03 am
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Zachstar - 13/6/2007 8:00 PM
Please note that this isn't a walk in the park.
They sure make it look easy. Talented and well-trained professionals tend to have that effect on difficult tasks. I'm sure most of us would look like bumbling idiots by comparison.
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Lee Jay - 14/6/2007 4:03 AMQuoteZachstar - 13/6/2007 8:00 PM
Please note that this isn't a walk in the park.
They sure make it look easy. Talented and well-trained professionals tend to have that effect on difficult tasks. I'm sure most of us would look like bumbling idiots by comparison.
Well, from what I saw during this space walk, it sure didn't look easy! And the joke about turning blue or purple was made after hatch open, Zachstar, so I am sure it was just a well meant joke.
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Zachstar - 14/6/2007 3:00 AM
Please note that this isn't a walk in the park.
Quite. I caught a sense of rising concern regarding Pat during the Airlock phase. He took a long time to connect his umbilical than there was an issue with, I think, a power switch either on his suit or the umbilical control.
They got the two of them to connect up simultainiously when, IIRC, they normaly do it one at a time. Plus Megan actually had to clarify whether they were going to do a rapid or normal repress.
Rick
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Lee Jay - 14/6/2007 4:10 AM
This one did look harder than most, but I'm just trying to imagine the difficulty in handling the suit, the gloves, the tools, the tethers, crawling all around, getting onto and off of an arm, maintaining awareness of your location without much reference (like gravity and the ground), having sunrise and sunset every 45 minutes or so, working for 7 hours non-stop, being watched and listened to by tons of people real-time, and yet getting lots done without sounding grumpy. Frankly, I'm always amazed at how well they do and how easy they make it look.
I fully agree with this. Sometimes you see them struggling with things, like putting things in a bag or securing things in place and I am sure I would get very frustrated. :)
Post by: Celebrimbor on 06/14/2007 02:29 am
As for trying a spacewalk. Just give me that chance! :)
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Celebrimbor - 14/6/2007 3:29 AM
Sorry, only got a short time between classes. How did the retraction go. Looks like it only got partially retracted.
As for trying a spacewalk. Just give me that chance! :)
18.5 bays retracted, just short of half way.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/14/2007 02:32 am
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haywoodfloyd - 14/6/2007 3:15 AM
When is the MSB?
Mission Status Briefing.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/14/2007 02:32 am
Have a good night and see y'all if anything interesting happens tomorrow.
Otherwise i'll see yall in full for EVA 3.
Laters!
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Zachstar - 14/6/2007 4:32 AM
Ok everyone. I need to get some rest so yall take over reporting.
Have a good night and see y'all if anything interesting happens tomorrow.
Otherwise i'll see yall in full for EVA 3.
Laters!
You did a good job again, Zachstar!
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Chris Bergin - 13/6/2007 9:59 PM
Mark S says the Russian computer issues are not urgent.
This is VERY interesting though, especially since they're looking at options for Atlantis to stay longer. A real mystery.
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One repair option chosen for EVA repair.
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jmjawors - 14/6/2007 5:01 AMQuoteChris Bergin - 13/6/2007 9:59 PM
Mark S says the Russian computer issues are not urgent.
This is VERY interesting though, especially since they're looking at options for Atlantis to stay longer. A real mystery.
I don't think it is a mystery, it is very simple. If they can't get the Russian computers up, the ISS has to be evacuated, but that is the worst case scenario and that is why they would like another day to avert this scenario.
Post by: jmjawors on 06/14/2007 03:34 am
I found this presser to be very interesting. Lots of finger pointing, but I'm sure they'll find the right solution.
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jmjawors - 14/6/2007 5:34 AM
The mystery is in the cause not the possibilities.
I found this presser to be very interesting. Lots of finger pointing, but I'm sure they'll find the right solution.
I agree with the mystery about the cause. I really hope they will find the cause and fix it, but I feel a bit scared about it (just a personal feeling, not based on knowledge.)
Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/14/2007 03:39 am
Thats what I always look for when my networks start having issues, pretty much SOP. Power is obvious but they also ran that external data cable a couple of weeks ago. I wonder if there are deltas in how Atlantis is linked in. When you see the kind of issue they ran into with the DLAs it starts you thinking about the wireing/data out of the 3/4. First step: isolate the systems sounds reasonable to me.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/14/2007 03:43 am
Seemed to stump Mike S :)
Post by: stockman on 06/14/2007 03:45 am
Great work here guys. I love this site!
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Norm Hartnett - 13/6/2007 10:39 PM
...about the wireing/data out of the 3/4. First step: isolate the systems sounds reasonable to me.
Me too.
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I know its a bit off topic but WOW.. I just saw the ISS/Shuttle pass to the north of me for about 4 minutes.
I believe it! Waiting for my first good look tomorrow night.
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Norm Hartnett - 14/6/2007 5:39 AM
What has changed.
Thats what I always look for when my networks start having issues, pretty much SOP. Power is obvious but they also ran that external data cable a couple of weeks ago. I wonder if there are deltas in how Atlantis is linked in. When you see the kind of issue they ran into with the DLAs it starts you thinking about the wireing/data out of the 3/4. First step: isolate the systems sounds reasonable to me.
I think a lot of people are looking at pictures and diagrams of the newly installed part. Houston was asking Pat to look for a serial number on one of the motor housings. It would be a real shame if the new addition would have serious problems with the wiring etc.
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I know its a bit off topic but WOW.. I just saw the ISS/Shuttle pass to the north of me for about 4 minutes. This is from Southern Ontario at 11:35 pm. The last time I saw this was about 5 years ago and I am quite impressed with how bright it looked even though it was a relatively low elevation to me. I now am going to play a bit with my orbit predicter to see if I can get any overhead passes this week. I might need my sunglasses!!! :)
Great work here guys. I love this site!
The ISS is very bright indeed! I have seen a couple of passes even through some high clouds! For predicting passes, use www.heavens-above.com or software like orbitron or STSplus or your own predictor ;)
Post by: Earth_Bound_Misfit on 06/14/2007 03:51 am
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ZeeNL - 14/6/2007 2:32 PM
I don't think it is a mystery, it is very simple. If they can't get the Russian computers up, the ISS has to be evacuated, but that is the worst case scenario and that is why they would like another day to avert this scenario.
I suspect a power spike has damaged them. Hopefully they can be repaired, otherwise the STS program may be getting wound up early.
Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/14/2007 04:02 am
If it was a non-normal crash then its possible they are looking at a one time event such as a spike, the thing is these are mil spec computers so they are pretty robust.
That new external data line bothers me. Too exposed, possibly unterminated, stuff like that is what I look for.
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Norm Hartnett - 14/6/2007 3:02 PM
these are mil spec computers so they are pretty robust.
Good thing that. Fingers crossed here.
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Earth_Bound_Misfit - 14/6/2007 5:51 AMQuoteZeeNL - 14/6/2007 2:32 PM
I don't think it is a mystery, it is very simple. If they can't get the Russian computers up, the ISS has to be evacuated, but that is the worst case scenario and that is why they would like another day to avert this scenario.
I suspect a power spike has damaged them. Hopefully they can be repaired, otherwise the STS program may be getting wound up early.
I think they are talking about SIX computers being in a non normal state and I am sure not all of those computers are on the same powersystem.
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rcaron - 13/6/2007 9:07 PM
I'm assuming the data cable you're talking about is the one they ran during Russian EVA last week. Its an Ethernet cable - but only the Russian half of it. The side connecting the cable to the US segment is not hooked up yet, so my impression is that the cable is inert. As such, I doubt it had anything to do with the malfunctions the Russian computers are experiencing.
I had an experienced contractor run an un-terminated Ethernet cable that brought down one of my networks. He had coiled it up and lashed it to a power line temporarily and it got induced low voltage surges that looked like bad data. Don't like stuff like this, took most of a day to ID and get the network back up.
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ZeeNL - 13/6/2007 10:51 PM
For predicting passes...
I've found NASA.gov's own tracker to be unfailingly accurate. Add it to the list as well. ;)
Post by: Bubbinski on 06/14/2007 04:18 am
If ISS HAS to be evacuated, I would hope the program would at least proceed with the HST repair job and then they can call it quits. But it's a bit early to be thinking too much about that just yet. Let's see what happens.
ISS is entering sunrise, I'm attaching a pic.
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Norm Hartnett - 14/6/2007 6:15 AMQuotercaron - 13/6/2007 9:07 PM
I'm assuming the data cable you're talking about is the one they ran during Russian EVA last week. Its an Ethernet cable - but only the Russian half of it. The side connecting the cable to the US segment is not hooked up yet, so my impression is that the cable is inert. As such, I doubt it had anything to do with the malfunctions the Russian computers are experiencing.
I had an experienced contractor run an un-terminated Ethernet cable that brought down one of my networks. He had coiled it up and lashed it to a power line temporarily and it got induced low voltage surges that looked like bad data. Don't like stuff like this, took most of a day to ID and get the network back up.
Well, when I was a first year university student, we wanted access in the project room to the internet, so we just unscrewed the weird little bolt on coax cable ;)
But on topic: I think it is either a software problem with the new mass of the ISS+shuttle+S3S4 truss or an EM issue with the shuttle (less likely).
Post by: jmjawors on 06/14/2007 04:22 am
But I am such a novice on such things, and I'm sure I'm incorrect.
*shrug*
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Bubbinski - 14/6/2007 12:18 AM
I would hope the computers come back on line, and being in tech support I agree with Norm....what changed? I would also add, what error messages were they getting on boot up? Can they replicate it on the ground?
If you watched the presser they mentioned that the Russians need to wait for ISS to pass over Russia at the right times for them to get all the details down that they need. And it was mentioned that occurs overnight / early tomorrow morning. So they really haven't been able to fully troubleshoot - to even think to start mentioning a possible end to ISS and Space Shuttle missions is quite surprising to me...
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jmjawors - 14/6/2007 12:22 AM
I guess I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the Russian side was not really patched in to the US side's power grid... and that that was a project for a later date.
In the press conference when they talked about some possibilities, it was mentioned that one of the first things they will probably try is taking the new power sources offline... It was also mentioned that the Russian side can run the computers on their own power, but that's only temporary.
12:30am EDT for SRB video.
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For predicting passes...
I've found NASA.gov's own tracker to be unfailingly accurate. Add it to the list as well. ;)
Got a link? :) Of course it is always nice to track the orbit on your own computer. :)
Post by: JimO on 06/14/2007 04:32 am
My bringing the topic up was based on the inaguration in recent months of two major new space debris monitoring radar nets, one French and one Chinese, and the possibility that they would be pinging the ISS/shuttle now, at high power, simply our of curioisity -- it might be the first docking mission that their best antennas have a chance of seeing. Early shuttle flights ran into Soviet radar EMI on their internal comm circuits, and Chinese voice coming over their a/g.
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I would hope the computers come back on line, and being in tech support I agree with Norm....what changed? I would also add, what error messages were they getting on boot up? Can they replicate it on the ground?
If you watched the presser they mentioned that the Russians need to wait for ISS to pass over Russia at the right times for them to get all the details down that they need. And it was mentioned that occurs overnight / early tomorrow morning. So they really haven't been able to fully troubleshoot - to even think to start mentioning a possible end to ISS and Space Shuttle missions is quite surprising to me...
Yes I am hoping we will hear some translation of the debuging process. There was some very interesting chit chat going on in the background just prior to the EVA. It is going to be tough on the Russian crewmen, they will be up all night. Oh well. That's IT for you.
I agree. It is way to early to start thinking about abandoning ship but they did have last night to debug too so it is not an easy one.
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JimO - 14/6/2007 6:32 AM
Mike S. hiccupped at my question on ground-based EMI because, when we chatted later off-line, he told me the raw data was HIGHLY classified. Then he made ME hiccup when he said they were also considering off-planet external EMI sources -- other satellites. He grinned and it was clear he was NOT going to provide any more background information.
My bringing the topic up was based on the inaguration in recent months of two major new space debris monitoring radar nets, one French and one Chinese, and the possibility that they would be pinging the ISS/shuttle now, at high power, simply our of curioisity -- it might be the first docking mission that their best antennas have a chance of seeing. Early shuttle flights ran into Soviet radar EMI on their internal comm circuits, and Chinese voice coming over their a/g.
Holy cow! So I guess some polite questions are going out to other nations to stop radar activities pointed at the complex for a while.
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ZeeNL - 13/6/2007 11:28 PM
Got a link? :) Of course it is always nice to track the orbit on your own computer. :)
I'm sure this is far simpler than what you're used to, but the times they provide have always been exactly accurate when I've used it:
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/sightings/index.html
Post by: JimO on 06/14/2007 04:42 am
The external EMI stuff is cute, but I doubt very relevant.
The odds are the problems are associated with the new truss element, but tracing EMI is a devlishly frustrating task -- I spend three shuttle missions during planning shifts (crew asleep)seeking the cause of one type of 'noise' in the Ku-band radar, and I suspected it was associated with "impossible" signal leakage across power buses from an instrumentation package, but never could prove it and we just learned to live with it.
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JimO - 13/6/2007 11:32 PM
"Mike S. hiccupped at my question on ground-based EMI"...
Boy, did he! He really had that "deer in the headlight" look.
:laugh:
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jmjawors - 14/6/2007 6:42 AMQuoteZeeNL - 13/6/2007 11:28 PM
Got a link? :) Of course it is always nice to track the orbit on your own computer. :)
I'm sure this is far simpler than what you're used to, but the times they provide have always been exactly accurate when I've used it:
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/sightings/index.html
Thanks for the link. STSPLUS is nice because you can see when the complex is in daylight or when it is in TDRS coverage. Orbitron is nice for the better pictures. How accurate they are depends on the data you feed those programs.
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JimO - 13/6/2007 9:42 PM
The external EMI stuff is cute, but I doubt very relevant.
The odds are the problems are associated with the new truss element, but tracing EMI is a devlishly frustrating task -- I spend three shuttle missions during planning shifts (crew asleep)seeking the cause of one type of 'noise' in the Ku-band radar, and I suspected it was associated with "impossible" signal leakage across power buses from an instrumentation package, but never could prove it and we just learned to live with it.
It was a great question and his reaction showed that they thought so to and were already asking it. I am not so sure about it being a 3/4 electrical/data problem but thats where the smart money is.
Post by: yinzer on 06/14/2007 04:52 am
That said, "If it worked before, and you changed something, and it doesn't work now, chances are you broke it" is practically the first law of troubleshooting. I wish them all good luck.
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A day or so ago, many on this board went ballistic on the media making it sound like the torn insulation means the shuttle may burn up, or the same said with those reports of tps hits yesterday.
Yet now, I'm seeing some of the same behavior on this board.
Let's take a chill pill and let them analyze this before we prognosticate gloom and doom.
Post by: Earth_Bound_Misfit on 06/14/2007 05:55 am
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Yet now, I'm seeing some of the same behavior on this board.
Guilty here, sorry fellas.
It appears their looking at local EMI as a possible culprit.
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Norm Hartnett - 13/6/2007 12:02 AMI missed the press briefing, but another change is that the P6 array is probably no longer providing power with this 2B wing now partially folded up.
That new external data line bothers me. Too exposed, possibly unterminated, stuff like that is what I look for.
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The alarm was coincident with trying to bring power back up to the FGB (Zarya).
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