Terry Rocket - 12/6/2007 3:24 PMThat is a view from the Space Shuttle FCR, not ISS FCR.
Meanwhile, ISS controller Tony is dismayed to hear that the staff shop has run out of "My mate went to space and all he got me was this lousy OMS Pod blanket" t-shirts ;)
DaveS - 12/6/2007 8:42 AMQuoteTerry Rocket - 12/6/2007 3:24 PMThat is a view from the Space Shuttle FCR, not ISS FCR.
Meanwhile, ISS controller Tony is dismayed to hear that the staff shop has run out of "My mate went to space and all he got me was this lousy OMS Pod blanket" t-shirts ;)
Zachstar - 12/6/2007 4:07 PM
Some songs just do not sound good at all! Over the coom.
I've never heard the song before? Who here wants to guess at it?
So ISS gets wakeup songs now?
Chris Bergin - 12/6/2007 10:11 AMQuoteZachstar - 12/6/2007 4:07 PM
Some songs just do not sound good at all! Over the coom.
I've never heard the song before? Who here wants to guess at it?
So ISS gets wakeup songs now?
I think it's one of Mushroomhead's songs. Never thought I'd hear that over NASA TV!
http://www.mushroomheadmusic.com/images/header-2006.jpg
backspace - 12/6/2007 4:20 PM
Anyone know what delta that is on channel 5 right now? (non sequiteur)
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/countdown/video/chan5large.jpg
Chris Bergin - 12/6/2007 11:22 AMQuotebackspace - 12/6/2007 4:20 PM
Anyone know what delta that is on channel 5 right now? (non sequiteur)
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/countdown/video/chan5large.jpg
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7468&start=1 - it'll be that one :)
Zachstar - 12/6/2007 11:40 AM
sts1 I notice that these programs assume sun fully risen to a point before reporting day.
So I suggest about 2-3 mins -+ that of reported time to account for the golden light of Sunrise Sunset.
haywoodfloyd - 12/6/2007 5:58 PMImage: Adjusting the iris on the camera to control the amount of light coming into the camera
Why are the close-up images so bad?
It seems to be cycling between dark and light constantly.
And why the apparent gaps between panels? Are they sticking again?
haywoodfloyd - 12/6/2007 10:58 AM
Why are the close-up images so bad?
It seems to be cycling between dark and light constantly.
And why the apparent gaps between panels? Are they sticking again?
sts1canada - 12/6/2007 11:01 AM
Due to the changing angle of the sun and the complex as they orbit the earth, they are opening the iris of the camera to let in more light, but not too much to damage the camera, it is a balance and as they approach orbital noon (the sun will be directly overhead them on this day pass) the lighting conditions will change again.
Richard
haywoodfloyd - 12/6/2007 10:58 AMdefine "bad"?
Why are the close-up images so bad?
It seems to be cycling between dark and light constantly.camera white balance tends to cycle a little with bright reflections
And why the apparent gaps between panels? Are they sticking again?not gaps, just panels that are still overlapping (same thing happened with the P4 deployments)... that's normal and expected until the array is under tension approaching full deployment
Zachstar - 12/6/2007 12:01 PMDon't forget that these views are being used for more than just casual observation -- they may need to pay close attention to the mast canister as the different batons come out. And they may also want to watch the guide wires and tensioning.
They were horrid! Indeed! Sad that whoever is routing the feed to NASA TV spent more time on that crappy zoomed view while the deployment happened. After a few bays those folds diddn't move too much so it was a boring view as opposed to the wide view.
Norm Hartnett - 12/6/2007 12:07 PMGood point.
I believe the close up was used to count bays as the wing deployed.
Norm Hartnett - 12/6/2007 12:07 PM
I believe the close up was used to count bays as the wing deployed.
dawei - 12/6/2007 5:14 PM
I agree that some of the live video was less than what I would have hoped for. But if that is the only thing "wrong" with the deploy then we should all be thankful. There is a lot more at stake here than whether I am happy about the video quality.
Zachstar - 12/6/2007 11:10 AMQuoteMKremer - 12/6/2007 11:08 AM
I'm not sure NASA-TV has a lot of choice in which onboard/external views are selected, only selecting between the MCC cameras and onboard feeds.
I'm sure they were getting downlink of both views during the time (For more views in case of problems developing) and I could not believe that the PAO was "restricted" to what MCC was viewing.
Zachstar - 12/6/2007 11:20 AMReason is, Ku only allows one broadcast tv signal at a time, so MCC decides which view is important (or switching between views as wanted or required for different console operators for whatever is happening at the time).QuoteMKremer - 12/6/2007 11:19 AM
I believe PAO really *is* restricted to the onboard/external views selected to show on the big MCC screen.
Got a source for that? I want to read what these PAOs are restricted to.
dawei - 12/6/2007 12:14 PM
I agree that some of the live video was less than what I would have hoped for. But if that is the only thing "wrong" with the deploy then we should all be thankful. There is a lot more at stake here than whether I am happy about the video quality.
sts1canada - 12/6/2007 12:30 PM
Forward Array deployment going well to 100%, 13 minutes to sunset and loss of KU.
Richard
YesRushGen - 12/6/2007 10:32 AM
Looks like there is some sticking on the left side, about 1/3 of the way down, from the Atlantis's view. Or is this just a lighting artifact?
hyper_snyper - 12/6/2007 1:02 PMOnly on the Education Channel, I believe.
A bit off topic: So I guess no NASA Update with Griffin at 1pm EDT as per the TV schedule?
Zachstar - 12/6/2007 9:54 AM
And just to give credit where credit is due. Whoever came up with this idea for Flight Day Highlights from the crew is a genius!
That is what can build excitement in the effort and help save NASA from this epidemic of lack of interest.
bsegal - 12/6/2007 12:04 PM
While we're waiting for next deploy activity, I'm still thinking there's a story out there not being told about why more get-ahead tasks weren't performed yesterday. The stujff about EVA choreographing for EVA-2 doesn't hold water as it would have been no upset to the timeline for them to tackle the additional SARJ locks as was being suggested by mission control. None of the crack press corps even thought to ask about it at the mission status briefing. Now, I just heard talk about the crew wanting a private conference with some of the controllers to talk about some things from yesterday.
ShuttleDiscovery - 12/6/2007 12:34 PM
Great pictures everyone! Keep 'em coming :)
sts1canada - 12/6/2007 12:41 PM
36 minutes to sunset, 35 minutes left of KU TV through TDRS East until we have a ZOE of about 6 minutes starting at 6:13 PM GMT or 2:13 PM EDT. The sun is starting to lower in the horizen and the backside of the 3A array is starting to lighted by the sun.
Richard
bsegal - 12/6/2007 1:47 PM
Looks like there's something hanging off the edge of the port array about midway up. ??
Edit: LOL - shadow I think
Wildthing - 12/6/2007 7:52 PMHave to have both the rads and SAWs retracted.
When P6 is moved in the future, will they have to fold the wings or can they move it with arrays retracted but wings extended ??
Wildthing - 12/6/2007 1:52 PM
When P6 is moved in the future, will they have to fold the wings or can they move it with arrays retracted but wings extended ??
jmjawors - 12/6/2007 6:59 PM
Magnificent. I wonder how much brighter ISS will be in the sky after these deployments?
Norm Hartnett - 12/6/2007 1:50 PM
Anyone catch the spring reference? Is it on 1A or 3A?
bsegal - 12/6/2007 11:03 AMQuoteNorm Hartnett - 12/6/2007 1:50 PM
Anyone catch the spring reference? Is it on 1A or 3A?
Believe they're referring to something observed on the array they're going to try to retract tomorrow. They said they got some detailed pictures of it. Also made reference to their training.
haywoodfloyd - 12/6/2007 2:12 PM
They have to retract the remaining P6 array before they can allow the S4 array to rotate, right?
Just like they did for the P4 array?
sts1canada - 12/6/2007 1:15 PM
Sunrise is about 35 minutes away at 2:45 PM EDT. we will be on TDRS-West starting at 2:19 PM EDT, the KU coverage should resume shortly after TDRS-West acquisition but the coverage should improve by sunrise (unless there is some blockage by the complex).
Richard
bsegal - 12/6/2007 12:15 PMThat's right, full retract is not essential to allow SARJ rotation. Obviously full retract is desirable while working on this, since it must be done anyway for the redeploy of P6.Quotehaywoodfloyd - 12/6/2007 2:12 PM
They have to retract the remaining P6 array before they can allow the S4 array to rotate, right?
Just like they did for the P4 array?
Yeah - think the minimum that needs to be retracted to allow for SARJ rotation is 11 bays.
Zachstar - 12/6/2007 2:15 PM
Ku Loss 18:14:30 UTC Just for reference on this attitude.
Ratty Comm as well.
edit: Sorry was in Sim mode for the :40 time, It's actually 18:14:30
Zachstar - 12/6/2007 2:24 PM
If Anyone has a good flyover viewing chance today. Go out and Look! We still have that single P6 array deployed and now is when it will be even brighter! It wont be this bright again until after the P6 Redeploy on STS-120.
Speedracer - 12/6/2007 2:23 PMMaybe not yet, but...
This marks the first time that 5 arrays have been deployed at the same time.
Perhaps the complex can now be seen in the daytime with the naked eye?
Zachstar - 12/6/2007 2:02 PM
Caution tone!
andymw - 12/6/2007 2:05 PM
Quick question: When will the solar arrays be connected to the space station's power supply? BTW: As a nine-year-old when Apollo 11 landed I was blown away last night by the spacewalk videos - awesome to see it in real-time and a little bit scary - they packed so much in in 6 hours and seemed so close to catching their suits/gloves on things
andymw - 12/6/2007 2:14 PM
On the NASA video they said 32kW per arm ( approx 60kW for both sides) - You say 14kW additional before they retract the old ones - which is nearer reality?
Flightstar - 12/6/2007 1:27 PMQuoteandymw - 12/6/2007 2:14 PM
On the NASA video they said 32kW per arm ( approx 60kW for both sides) - You say 14kW additional before they retract the old ones - which is nearer reality?
Per arm? That's nonsensical for a start. NASA PAO is not your friend.
Each array adds 7. So 14 were added today. 7 will be taken away by one retraction.
rcaron - 12/6/2007 9:34 PM Any word on the handover to CMG?
I've just caught ISS MCC saying they're back on normal ops.
kneecaps - 12/6/2007 4:17 PM
Got to say! Just saw the MOST AMAZING pass i've ever seen. The stack got very very bright as it reached zenith and literally flared in almost the same way Iridium looks. It was a pure brilliant white flare which almost doubled the visible size!
Thrilled! I wonder if its the extra array or just coincidence!
Zachstar - 12/6/2007 1:24 PM
If Anyone has a good flyover viewing chance today. Go out and Look! We still have that single P6 array deployed and now is when it will be even brighter! It wont be this bright again until after the P6 Redeploy on STS-120.
kneecaps - 12/6/2007 4:17 PM
Got to say! Just saw the MOST AMAZING pass i've ever seen. The stack got very very bright as it reached zenith and literally flared in almost the same way Iridium looks. It was a pure brilliant white flare which almost doubled the visible size!
Thrilled! I wonder if its the extra array or just coincidence!
Jon_Jones - 12/6/2007 3:14 PM
Wing........ OMS Pod.... what's the difference. The associated press, another fine source of confusion.
Zachstar - 12/6/2007 5:33 PMSounded more emphatic than angry to me.
Did anyone notice that Clay seemed angry?
Andrewwski - 12/6/2007 11:31 PMIt's Columbia, please. No association with the nation.
EDIT: Allright, I just heard it on MSNBC. They're claiming that there's an impact on the left wing near where Colombia was hit. They are talking about an MMOD.
Zachstar - 12/6/2007 5:35 PMMaybe. From the press standpoint, it's a similar story (different details, though) to the incident after Atlantis undocked last time.
The press is going to have a FIELD DAY! with NASA today at the briefing.
Who here bets they may even forget to ask about blanket repair?
DaveS - 12/6/2007 5:39 PMQuoteAndrewwski - 12/6/2007 11:31 PMIt's Columbia, please. No association with the nation.
EDIT: Allright, I just heard it on MSNBC. They're claiming that there's an impact on the left wing near where Colombia was hit. They are talking about an MMOD.
Norm Hartnett - 12/6/2007 5:41 PMThought I heard from the Russian translator that there may have been a connection between restarting computer(s) and the fire alarm (PAO noting that now, too).
I wonder if the fire alarm was a low power issue too.
emg - 12/6/2007 3:05 PM
Anyone have a link that shows how the solar array telescopic masts work? Neat bit of engineering...
Andrewwski - 12/6/2007 4:42 PM
Am I out of my right mind to send MSNBC an email heavily criticizing their severly dramatized report?
Joffan - 11/6/2007 10:45 PMQuoteemg - 12/6/2007 3:05 PM
Anyone have a link that shows how the solar array telescopic masts work? Neat bit of engineering...
They're made by AEC and called FASTMast... hope this get you a bit further.
Lee Jay - 12/6/2007 10:40 PM
Chris reported it yesterday.
"MMOD event being investigated. Hit was registered on WLE sensors." -- Chris Bergin
Ankle-bone12 - 12/6/2007 4:49 PMQuoteAndrewwski - 12/6/2007 4:42 PM
Am I out of my right mind to send MSNBC an email heavily criticizing their severly dramatized report?
No, i encourage it.
Chris Bergin - 12/6/2007 5:52 PMSure would like to know how "extremely low magnitude" is interpreted as "downplaying."
Only deserved a one line mention as it was only a 0.5. Nothing to go overboard with.
Chris Bergin - 12/6/2007 3:55 PM
Maybe they are talking about something else (another potential hit). I've not seen any note of it, so I don't know.
Let's get back on to mission coverage.
psloss - 12/6/2007 10:57 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 12/6/2007 5:52 PMSure would like to know how "extremely low magnitude" is interpreted as "downplaying."
Only deserved a one line mention as it was only a 0.5. Nothing to go overboard with.
Without knowing who said what, it's hard to not be biased against the press on this...
Chris Bergin - 12/6/2007 6:03 PMNot your report, Chris, the MSNBC one.
I didn't say anything in relation to downplaying. I report what I get, and don't add anything around it (I'm not an engineer, so I can't).
Norm Hartnett - 12/6/2007 4:13 PM
I would love to be a fly on the wall of the pre-mission status briefing meeting. They have a lot to talk about.
JimO - 12/6/2007 6:07 PMWas the magnitude of this hit larger than previous events or was this event more significant than the events that occurred on the previous flights during ascent and on-orbit?
Re the potential MMOD hit signal, here is what I have been advised:
"At 162/07:41:22 (MET 02/08:03:18) the Wing Leading Edge Sensor on Port Panel 7/8 returned a possible MMOD indication."
This is the way NBC news is reporting it, as far as I have any influence over it is concerned.
Norm Hartnett - 12/6/2007 2:45 PM
Rather impressive response from MCC M. They were all over it, good work by the on station guys too.
Andrewwski - 12/6/2007 2:53 PM
Now that you mention the 0.5, I remember it. I also remember thinking that it shouldn't be a cause of concern.
I'm searching for an appropriate email address right now.
Andrewwski - 12/6/2007 5:30 PM
OK, so there was indeed a bigger impact, but still nothing of concern?
spaceamillion - 12/6/2007 10:19 PMQuotekneecaps - 12/6/2007 4:17 PM
Got to say! Just saw the MOST AMAZING pass i've ever seen. The stack got very very bright as it reached zenith and literally flared in almost the same way Iridium looks. It was a pure brilliant white flare which almost doubled the visible size!
Thrilled! I wonder if its the extra array or just coincidence!
Same here from Leeds!!
Absolutely stunning. Took out my binoculars - didn't need them!!
Now to see a daylight pass ?
Joffan - 12/6/2007 5:14 PMQuoteNorm Hartnett - 12/6/2007 4:13 PM
I would love to be a fly on the wall of the pre-mission status briefing meeting. They have a lot to talk about.
I get the impression those flies are the source for L2...
bsegal - 12/6/2007 6:29 PM
Zach: Any suggestions on how to convert your .ogg file to .wma or another format supported by Windows Media Player?
bsegal - 12/6/2007 8:51 PM
ISS still maintaining attitude control?
Zachstar - 12/6/2007 9:52 PMQuotebsegal - 12/6/2007 8:51 PM
ISS still maintaining attitude control?
CMGs lost control. Station is in free drift for 30 mins.
They will recover with the Orbiter.
MySDCUserID - 13/6/2007 3:55 AMQuoteZachstar - 12/6/2007 9:52 PMQuotebsegal - 12/6/2007 8:51 PM
ISS still maintaining attitude control?
CMGs lost control. Station is in free drift for 30 mins.
They will recover with the Orbiter.
Is this normal when an orbiter is docked?
ZeeNL - 12/6/2007 8:55 PMThat has nothing to do with it (in fact the previous, 'lopsided' configuration would have been even more difficult to maneuver based on drag and c/g).
Hmm, hope they can solve this problem soon. What would happen if somehow the CMG's can't control the ISS anymore with the addition of the new solar arrays?
Speedracer - 12/6/2007 9:53 PM
Maybe it's just me, but using a sharp pointy needle next to a space suit just gives me the willies when seeing that video of the repair using "stitches".
MKremer - 13/6/2007 4:47 AMQuoteZeeNL - 12/6/2007 8:55 PMThat has nothing to do with it (in fact the previous, 'lopsided' configuration would have been even more difficult to maneuver based on drag and c/g).
Hmm, hope they can solve this problem soon. What would happen if somehow the CMG's can't control the ISS anymore with the addition of the new solar arrays?
The problem is the CMG controls also interface through the control computers on the Russian side. The Russian computers crashed heavily, so MCC's been trying to do a temporary workaround to leave the Russian control side completely out of the loop. The Shuttle being there (with its extra offset mass) is probably what's making everything that much more difficult to get that accomplished successfully.
Joffan - 12/6/2007 10:25 PM
I'd just like to express my appreciation for the excellent commentary you've given us today, Zachstar. Great work.
geminy007 - 13/6/2007 5:56 AM
Is it FD 05 or FD 06!?!?: Commands sent for initial retraction P6 2B array at 10:47 GMT!