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Title: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/12/2007 12:48 pm
Live update thread for Flight Day 5 of STS-117:

S4 solar array deployment.
Solar Alpha Rotary Joint unlocking.
Forrester and Swanson sleep in Quest Airlock for spacewalk prebreathe campout protocol.


CDT times:
Wake up 8:03
Begin Solar Array Deploy 10:38
Full 1A Deploy 11:33
Complete 3A Deploy 13:03
Crew off time (2 hours) 14:33
PAO Event 20:03
Campout P/B 10:18
Depress to 10.2 23:13
Sleep 00:03
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/12/2007 01:03 pm
No idea if this was known but the crews were awoken by an alarm during their sleep cycle. They were sent back to sleep soon after they managed to silence the alarm, but we're investigating with L2 info and will write it up.

Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: DaveS on 06/12/2007 01:10 pm
FD5 has now officially begun!
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: mtakala24 on 06/12/2007 01:11 pm
Execute package is at http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/179404main_FD05_Ex_Package.pdf
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: geminy007 on 06/12/2007 01:11 pm
Wake Up Call! Louis Armstrong, What a wonderful world!
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: shuttlepilot on 06/12/2007 01:12 pm
I think "What a wondeful world!" is the best music for wake up in space ;)
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: DaveS on 06/12/2007 01:14 pm
And the FD5 XPAK is available: http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/179404main_FD05_Ex_Package.pdf
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: geminy007 on 06/12/2007 01:15 pm
Followed by: "here comes the sun" or "Fly away" by Lenny Kravitz,...
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Terry Rocket on 06/12/2007 01:24 pm
Meanwhile, ISS controller Tony is dismayed to hear that the staff shop has run out of "My mate went to space and all he got me was this lousy OMS Pod blanket" t-shirts ;)
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: DaveS on 06/12/2007 01:42 pm
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Terry Rocket - 12/6/2007  3:24 PM

Meanwhile, ISS controller Tony is dismayed to hear that the staff shop has run out of "My mate went to space and all he got me was this lousy OMS Pod blanket" t-shirts ;)
That is a view from the Space Shuttle FCR, not ISS FCR.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: stroker on 06/12/2007 01:48 pm
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DaveS - 12/6/2007  8:42 AM

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Terry Rocket - 12/6/2007  3:24 PM

Meanwhile, ISS controller Tony is dismayed to hear that the staff shop has run out of "My mate went to space and all he got me was this lousy OMS Pod blanket" t-shirts ;)
That is a view from the Space Shuttle FCR, not ISS FCR.

The sacrifices we make for comedy.  :)
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: charlieb on 06/12/2007 01:52 pm
More like GC Johnny Brothers (an old friend of mine from my pre-INCO OST days) leans just enough to the right and dodges an arrow thrown by Flight to get the attention of the daydreaming,  or late in overnights shift drowsy GC....
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 02:28 pm
Beta Angle is really dropping! Longer nights.

Edit: I say from looking at the TLE for today about 33-35 Mins night per Orbit.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 02:41 pm
Ku has appeared.

Image of one of the blanket boxes with one bay deployed.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: on 06/12/2007 02:56 pm
what is holding up deployment?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: psloss on 06/12/2007 03:02 pm
In the execute package, 1A to 49% is in a 10-minute block from about 15:45 GMT...you can see the other blocks in there, too (of course).
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/12/2007 03:04 pm
1A Mast deploy to 49% 11:43 AM EDT, about 43 min from now.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: gocamels on 06/12/2007 03:05 pm
"Club ISS" cranking out the hits to get you moving this Tuesday!!!

At least Suni's dedication wasn't another "dead dog dedication" as Casey Kasam 'loved' so much so long ago
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 03:07 pm
Some songs just do not sound good at all! Over the coom.

I've never heard the song before? Who here wants to guess at it?

So ISS gets wakeup songs now?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: gocamels on 06/12/2007 03:09 pm
Even better...they are sending them back to the ground now...Ipod's are a dangerous thing
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/12/2007 03:11 pm
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Zachstar - 12/6/2007  4:07 PM

Some songs just do not sound good at all! Over the coom.

I've never heard the song before? Who here wants to guess at it?

So ISS gets wakeup songs now?

I think it's one of Mushroomhead's songs. Never thought I'd hear that over NASA TV!

http://www.mushroomheadmusic.com/images/header-2006.jpg
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 03:15 pm
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Chris Bergin - 12/6/2007  10:11 AM

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Zachstar - 12/6/2007  4:07 PM

Some songs just do not sound good at all! Over the coom.

I've never heard the song before? Who here wants to guess at it?

So ISS gets wakeup songs now?

I think it's one of Mushroomhead's songs. Never thought I'd hear that over NASA TV!

http://www.mushroomheadmusic.com/images/header-2006.jpg

NOT an image I wanted to see waking up. :o

When I clicked on it I thought I was looking at a screenshot for some new "Silent Hill" game.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 03:17 pm
Sunset!

Meanwhile all the postwake conferences are underway as usual.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: backspace on 06/12/2007 03:20 pm
Anyone know what delta that is on channel 5 right now? (non sequiteur)

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/countdown/video/chan5large.jpg
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/12/2007 03:22 pm
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backspace - 12/6/2007  4:20 PM

Anyone know what delta that is on channel 5 right now? (non sequiteur)

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/countdown/video/chan5large.jpg

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7468&start=1 - it'll be that one :)
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 03:23 pm
ISS at attitude for start of solar array deployments!
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: backspace on 06/12/2007 03:27 pm
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Chris Bergin - 12/6/2007  11:22 AM

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backspace - 12/6/2007  4:20 PM

Anyone know what delta that is on channel 5 right now? (non sequiteur)

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/countdown/video/chan5large.jpg

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7468&start=1 - it'll be that one :)

Thank you sir!
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 03:36 pm
We are 7 minutes to sunrise on this pass and about 10 minutes to (hopefully) KU coverage on TDRS-East, the complex is currently covered by TDRS-West but it is not in a proper position to transmit KU comm due to the special reorientation of the complex for the SA deploy. This deploy will not happen until after sunrise, they need a daylight pass to extend the first array to 49% and then wait 30 minutes, and then wait for the next daylight pass to extend to 100%. This process will be repeated for the aft array this afternoon (Eastern time).

Richard
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 03:38 pm
Houston asking for crew to zoom out SSRMS camera in prep for the halfway deployment.

No Ku yet.

Sunrise in 5 mins.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 03:40 pm
sts1 I notice that these programs assume sun fully risen to a point before reporting day.

So I suggest about 2-3 mins -+ that of reported time to account for the golden light of Sunrise Sunset.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 03:42 pm
Like now.

Sunrise!

Beta= 50.1

View of the Orbit for this first deploy.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 03:44 pm
CPU Generated sequence of what is supposed to happen today for deploy.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 03:46 pm
S4 FORWARD SOLAR ARRAY HALFWAY DEPLOYMENT BEGINS (Taking notes directly from the TV Schedule today)
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 03:47 pm
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Zachstar - 12/6/2007  11:40 AM

sts1 I notice that these programs assume sun fully risen to a point before reporting day.

So I suggest about 2-3 mins -+ that of reported time to account for the golden light of Sunrise Sunset.

That is right, Zach, the times I am providing may be a minute or two off as I running NASA-TV in a window and STS-PLUS (a DOS program) in another window and my CPU is being taxed here trying to keep up with the tracking of the complex and displaying the video at the same time. Now we are in TDRS-EAST KU coverage, great!

Richard
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: DaveS on 06/12/2007 03:47 pm
ABORT! Deployment halted.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 03:48 pm
4 Bays out!

Waiting for them to resume. (While they have this great KU Coverage)
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 03:50 pm
We will have daylight in this pass for the next 55 minutes and we will be in TDRS-East KU coverage for the next 50 minutes or so, but there may be interruptions in KU.

Richard
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: DaveS on 06/12/2007 03:50 pm
Go to continue deploy.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 03:50 pm
Deployment Continues!
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 03:52 pm
More images during the deploy!
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 03:53 pm
More Images
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 03:54 pm
Another image post to not overload a single page.

Done! 15:53

Halfway!
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Speedracer on 06/12/2007 03:55 pm
Curious, the different camera angles, are they controlled by the astronauts, mission control, NASA TV, or automatic view change?

Does NASA receive the multiple cameras at the same time, or is it one video signal coming down?
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 03:56 pm
Whoever is running the view on NASA TV needs to stop showing the little changing zoomed view.

We missed a whole lot of the deploy thanks to whoever this is.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 03:57 pm
Array being warmed by the sun. This will help reduce sticking and help insure a good, clean, deployment.

Deployed 50% at 15.5 bays!
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: haywoodfloyd on 06/12/2007 03:58 pm
Why are the close-up images so bad?
It seems to be cycling between dark and light constantly.
And why the apparent gaps between panels? Are they sticking again?
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: jaredgalen on 06/12/2007 03:59 pm
Looks like another 18 mins til they start deploying again
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: DaveS on 06/12/2007 04:00 pm
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haywoodfloyd - 12/6/2007  5:58 PM

Why are the close-up images so bad?
It seems to be cycling between dark and light constantly.
And why the apparent gaps between panels? Are they sticking again?
Image: Adjusting the iris on the camera to control the amount of light coming into the camera
Panels: There's no gaps in the panels, they're just panels that have stuck togheter. Saw it 115 too.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Jeff Lerner on 06/12/2007 04:01 pm
Are the arrays already providing added power to the station even at this partial deployment stage ??
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 04:01 pm
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haywoodfloyd - 12/6/2007  10:58 AM

Why are the close-up images so bad?
It seems to be cycling between dark and light constantly.
And why the apparent gaps between panels? Are they sticking again?

They were horrid! Indeed! Sad that whoever is routing the feed to NASA TV spent more time on that crappy zoomed view while the deployment happened. After a few bays those folds diddn't move too much so it was a boring view as opposed to the wide view.

Sigh... At least the astronauts are trying to help PR with their Crew Flight Day Highlight Videos.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 04:01 pm
Due to the changing angle of the sun and the complex as they orbit the earth, they are opening the iris of the camera to let in more light, but not too much to damage the camera, it is a balance and as they approach orbital noon (the sun will be directly overhead them on this day pass) the lighting conditions will change again.

Richard
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 04:03 pm
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sts1canada - 12/6/2007  11:01 AM

Due to the changing angle of the sun and the complex as they orbit the earth, they are opening the iris of the camera to let in more light, but not too much to damage the camera, it is a balance and as they approach orbital noon (the sun will be directly overhead them on this day pass) the lighting conditions will change again.

Richard

Most of these cameras have the sun shining directly into the lens at some point or another. Isnt the change automatic? It looked like somebody at Houston was franticly working the settings creating a crappy view in the process.

Meanwhile a dark view of the array with earth in the background.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: MKremer on 06/12/2007 04:03 pm
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haywoodfloyd - 12/6/2007  10:58 AM

Why are the close-up images so bad?
define "bad"?

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It seems to be cycling between dark and light constantly.
camera white balance tends to cycle a little with bright reflections

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And why the apparent gaps between panels? Are they sticking again?
not gaps, just panels that are still overlapping (same thing happened with the P4 deployments)... that's normal and expected until the array is under tension approaching full deployment
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: psloss on 06/12/2007 04:05 pm
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Zachstar - 12/6/2007  12:01 PM

They were horrid! Indeed! Sad that whoever is routing the feed to NASA TV spent more time on that crappy zoomed view while the deployment happened. After a few bays those folds diddn't move too much so it was a boring view as opposed to the wide view.
Don't forget that these views are being used for more than just casual observation -- they may need to pay close attention to the mast canister as the different batons come out.  And they may also want to watch the guide wires and tensioning.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 04:05 pm
The up close view of the arrays was due to the engineering views of the mast coming out of the mast canister, that is very important to watch as that mast is compressed and folded in the canister and it has to unfold and lock together properly or there will be no array deploy. Remember this view is for MCC's benefit, not the PAO's.

Richard
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/12/2007 04:07 pm
I believe the close up was used to count bays as the wing deployed.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: MKremer on 06/12/2007 04:08 pm
I'm not sure NASA-TV has a lot of choice in which onboard/external views are selected, only selecting between the MCC cameras and onboard feeds.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: psloss on 06/12/2007 04:08 pm
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Norm Hartnett - 12/6/2007  12:07 PM

I believe the close up was used to count bays as the wing deployed.
Good point.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 04:09 pm
Now passing orbital noon on this pass, so the 49% deployed array should become brighter as the sun shines behind as the sun sets in 35 minutes or so.

Richard
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/12/2007 04:11 pm
I also believe the close ups of the blanket boxes are to monitor the tension bar at the base of the wing.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 04:12 pm
Cool View of the Earth as we get ready for the full deployment coming according to schedule at.

11:23 CDT



Edit: Image 2: A closeup view of a blanket box.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: haywoodfloyd on 06/12/2007 04:12 pm
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Norm Hartnett - 12/6/2007  12:07 PM

I believe the close up was used to count bays as the wing deployed.

I figured that as well.
I was referring to the quality (light and dark).
The view from the Orbiter is better.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: dawei on 06/12/2007 04:14 pm
I agree that some of the live video was less than what I would have hoped for.  But if that is the only thing "wrong" with the deploy then we should all be thankful.  There is a lot more at stake here than whether I am happy about the video quality.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 04:15 pm
Now about 25 minutes left in KU coverage and 30 minutes left in this daytime pass before orbital night occurs. The next daylight pass starts at 5:13 PM GMT or 1:13 PM EDT after this one is done.

Richard
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/12/2007 04:15 pm
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dawei - 12/6/2007  5:14 PM

I agree that some of the live video was less than what I would have hoped for.  But if that is the only thing "wrong" with the deploy then we should all be thankful.  There is a lot more at stake here than whether I am happy about the video quality.

Well said. Let's follow this deployment with what we're getting and just hope for success over fancy camera angles.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 04:17 pm
At **:23 they will have 20 mins of sunlight left.

However they are approaching that bad area for KU. So I hope the deployment goes good the first time.

Good Luck!
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: MKremer on 06/12/2007 04:19 pm
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Zachstar - 12/6/2007  11:10 AM

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MKremer - 12/6/2007  11:08 AM

I'm not sure NASA-TV has a lot of choice in which onboard/external views are selected, only selecting between the MCC cameras and onboard feeds.

I'm sure they were getting downlink of both views during the time (For more views in case of problems developing) and I could not believe that the PAO was "restricted" to what MCC was viewing.

I believe PAO really *is* restricted to the onboard/external views selected to show on the big MCC screen.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 04:21 pm
Anyway I just want the camera to be left alone for this view if possible.

Just a few mins before full deploy!

Edit: Image2 Looks sorta like Mars!  ;)
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 04:23 pm
We will lose KU from TDRS-East at 12:43 PM EDT, have a 5 minute ZOE and then shortly after that regain KU through TDRS-West sometime after 12:47 PM EDT, but then the sun will set on this pass at 12:43 PM EDT and rise again for another daylight pass at 1:14 PM EDT.

Richard
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 04:24 pm
S4 FORWARD SOLAR ARRAY FINAL DEPLOYMENT BEGINS
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: MKremer on 06/12/2007 04:25 pm
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Zachstar - 12/6/2007  11:20 AM

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MKremer - 12/6/2007  11:19 AM

I believe PAO really *is* restricted to the onboard/external views selected to show on the big MCC screen.

Got a source for that? I want to read what these PAOs are restricted to.
Reason is, Ku only allows one broadcast tv signal at a time, so MCC decides which view is important (or switching between views as wanted or required for different console operators for whatever is happening at the time).

It's not like PAO has lots of monitors with every camera displayed and can switch between them.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: haywoodfloyd on 06/12/2007 04:25 pm
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dawei - 12/6/2007  12:14 PM

I agree that some of the live video was less than what I would have hoped for.  But if that is the only thing "wrong" with the deploy then we should all be thankful.  There is a lot more at stake here than whether I am happy about the video quality.

I agree.
It was an observation rather than a complaint.
Let's hope it continues to go smoothly.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 04:26 pm
More Images
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 04:27 pm
More Images!
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 04:28 pm
Almost fully deployed!
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 04:30 pm
100%!!

Good Views this time too!
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 04:30 pm
Forward Array deployment going well to 100%, 13 minutes to sunset and loss of KU.

Richard
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: YesRushGen on 06/12/2007 04:32 pm
Looks like there is some sticking on the left side, about 1/3 of the way down, from the Atlantis's view. Or is this just a lighting artifact?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: haywoodfloyd on 06/12/2007 04:32 pm
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sts1canada - 12/6/2007  12:30 PM

Forward Array deployment going well to 100%, 13 minutes to sunset and loss of KU.

Richard

Excellent deployment!
Nice and smooth.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 04:33 pm
Nice view of the Array!

Next deploy is AFT Halfway at 12:13 PM CDT

ISS Moving to Attitude to prepare for the deployment!
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/12/2007 04:34 pm
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YesRushGen - 12/6/2007  10:32 AM

Looks like there is some sticking on the left side, about 1/3 of the way down, from the Atlantis's view. Or is this just a lighting artifact?

Looks like lighting to me.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 04:37 pm
More Views of the fully deployed array.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 04:46 pm
Night view of the S3/S4 Truss
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 04:54 pm
And just to give credit where credit is due. Whoever came up with this idea for Flight Day Highlights from the crew is a genius!

That is what can build excitement in the effort and help save NASA from this epidemic of lack of interest.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 04:56 pm
You can see part of the solar panel in this view. Very nice!
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: hyper_snyper on 06/12/2007 05:02 pm
A bit off topic:  So I guess no NASA Update with Griffin at 1pm EDT as per the TV schedule?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: psloss on 06/12/2007 05:03 pm
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hyper_snyper - 12/6/2007  1:02 PM

A bit off topic:  So I guess no NASA Update with Griffin at 1pm EDT as per the TV schedule?
Only on the Education Channel, I believe.

Edit -- guess not!
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: bsegal on 06/12/2007 05:04 pm
While we're waiting for next deploy activity, I'm still thinking there's a story out there not being told about why more get-ahead tasks weren't performed yesterday.  The stujff about EVA choreographing for EVA-2 doesn't hold water as it would have been no upset to the timeline for them to tackle the additional SARJ locks as was being suggested by mission control.  None of the crack press corps even thought to ask about it at the mission status briefing.  Now, I just heard talk about the crew wanting a private conference with some of the controllers to talk about some things from yesterday.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: triddirt on 06/12/2007 05:05 pm
All, Let's stay on topic here.. There are other threads about NTV coverage and PAO..
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Joey on 06/12/2007 05:06 pm
The mere fact that men and women are in space working together and building a structure such as the ISS is awe inspiring to me, and I can just barely remember the later Apollo missions (41 yo).

The fact we have this level of video coverage is also awe inspiring to me. Anybody want to switch back to those low res B/W video cameras from the Apollo era?   :o
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Post by: j2_ on 06/12/2007 05:07 pm
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Zachstar - 12/6/2007  9:54 AM

And just to give credit where credit is due. Whoever came up with this idea for Flight Day Highlights from the crew is a genius!

That is what can build excitement in the effort and help save NASA from this epidemic of lack of interest.

The downlinked highlights from the crew are fantastic!

However, I prefer it when the crews allow us to come on board live with the flight deck cameras. We saw this a lot on 114 I believe. Was there some kind of policy change asking the flight crew to not downlink live cabin video ?
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:07 pm
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bsegal - 12/6/2007  12:04 PM

While we're waiting for next deploy activity, I'm still thinking there's a story out there not being told about why more get-ahead tasks weren't performed yesterday.  The stujff about EVA choreographing for EVA-2 doesn't hold water as it would have been no upset to the timeline for them to tackle the additional SARJ locks as was being suggested by mission control.  None of the crack press corps even thought to ask about it at the mission status briefing.  Now, I just heard talk about the crew wanting a private conference with some of the controllers to talk about some things from yesterday.

There isn't a story. EVA crews get tired and this was a difficult EVA already. They know what they prefer to handle and really know what effects it has on the program as a whole.

EVA 4 will likely see the repair and nothing but get ahead tasks. There is lots that can still be done and there isn't a reason to worry about what their reasons were.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/12/2007 05:07 pm
Slightly OT Media channel links are functional again!
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Post by: James Lowe1 on 06/12/2007 05:09 pm
Let's keep this on the live coverage. Will delete this thread back a bit to ensure those reading through this later aren't confronted with some of the non-coverage posts.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:10 pm
Positioning the camera for deploy
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:13 pm
Sunrise!
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Post by: JJ.. on 06/12/2007 05:13 pm
sunrise on its way,
awsome pics again thanks fellas
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Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 05:14 pm
1 minute to sunrise on this orbital pass, get ready for SA aft deploy to 49%, wait for 30 minutes and then extend to 100%. We will be in a day pass until 6:16 PM GMT or 2:16 PM EDT. We are on KU through TDRS-West for 18 minutes more.
 
Richard
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:15 pm
Golden Light!
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:16 pm
S4 AFT SOLAR ARRAY HALFWAY DEPLOYMENT BEGINS
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:18 pm
Awesome view!
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:18 pm
More!
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:19 pm
And more images!
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Post by: rcaron on 06/12/2007 05:19 pm
I can't seem to find the "NASA Update" w/ the Administrator on any of the NASA channels. Anybody knows whats up?

I remember when Cassini did its orbital insertion burn around Saturn. There was an ISS EVA @ the same time, so I had my laptop playing one feed and my television on the other (this was before the digital/multi-channel feeds). Back then they could handle simultaneous events... Now I'm not so sure.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:20 pm
Almost there
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Post by: Lee Jay on 06/12/2007 05:20 pm
I think it's interesting that the same sets stick on each side.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:22 pm
Gah! Lost KU just as it completed!
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:22 pm
Ok done!

Paused to be warmed by the sun.

View
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:23 pm
Space Shuttle going to DAP Assuming control of the complex.
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Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 05:24 pm
Handover to TDRS EAST is occurring now, we just had some blockage with TDRS-West, we should have KU through East until 2:13 PM EDT.

Richard
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:27 pm
Halfway at **:21

Start again at **:51
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 05:31 pm
The aft 3A array is at 49% as mentioned before, there will be a half hour pause to warm up the array, before the array is deployed to 100%, we are 45 minutes from sunset on this pass, and we are approaching orbital noon in a few minutes, the sun may shine behind the array more as we get closer to sunset.

Richard
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/12/2007 05:34 pm
Great pictures everyone! Keep 'em coming :)
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:37 pm
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ShuttleDiscovery - 12/6/2007  12:34 PM

Great pictures everyone! Keep 'em coming :)

Allright!

View of the halfway deployed array as we wait for the full deployment sequence.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/12/2007 05:40 pm
Interesting, you can see on the top of the left hand wing that one of the stuck panels has released. Are they depending on differential heating to break stiction?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 05:41 pm
36 minutes to sunset, 35 minutes left of KU TV through TDRS East until we have a ZOE of about 6 minutes starting at 6:13 PM GMT or 2:13 PM EDT. The sun is starting to lower in the horizon and the backside of the 3A array is starting to lighted by the sun.

Richard
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:42 pm
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sts1canada - 12/6/2007  12:41 PM

36 minutes to sunset, 35 minutes left of KU TV through TDRS East until we have a ZOE of about 6 minutes starting at 6:13 PM GMT or 2:13 PM EDT. The sun is starting to lower in the horizen and the backside of the 3A array is starting to lighted by the sun.

Richard

Thanks for the Ku update sts1! Was wondering about that.

Beautiful view of the earth limb in this view.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 05:45 pm
Should be starting the final extension of the 3A array in ten minutes or less according to the timeline, they will have twenty minutes or less of sunlight left for this extension, remember the array extension must occur in daylight for thermal and photo/tv ops.

Richard
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:46 pm
Looks like we are going to have good light for this deploy.

Just hope the Ku holds out!
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Post by: bsegal on 06/12/2007 05:47 pm
Looks like there's something hanging off the edge of the port array about midway up.  ??

Edit:  LOL - shadow I think
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:48 pm
Retract is to start at 12:53 CDT

Ku is going good currently and we have good light!

Looking forward to a great full deployment of the S3/S4 Truss!
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 05:49 pm
Yes Zach, we have KU until 2:13 PM EDT and sunset on this pass is one minute later as the complex enters the ZOE. Tomorrow will be very interesting with the P6 retraction ops, these deployments are running too smooth!

Richard
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 05:50 pm
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bsegal - 12/6/2007  1:47 PM

Looks like there's something hanging off the edge of the port array about midway up.  ??

Edit:  LOL - shadow I think

Nothing to worry about, just some sun glint through the RMS camera.

Richard
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/12/2007 05:50 pm
Anyone catch the spring reference? Is it on 1A or 3A?
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Post by: Jeff Lerner on 06/12/2007 05:52 pm
When P6 is moved in the future, will they have to fold the wings or can they move it with arrays retracted but wings extended ??
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:53 pm
Atlantis going free drift for the SAW Deploy!
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Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 05:53 pm
22 minutes left of daylight in this pass, waiting for the GO for extension of 3A to 100% 21 minutes to KU loss.

Richard
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Post by: nathan.moeller on 06/12/2007 05:53 pm
Deploy resuming!
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Post by: DaveS on 06/12/2007 05:53 pm
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Wildthing - 12/6/2007  7:52 PM

When P6 is moved in the future, will they have to fold the wings or can they move it with arrays retracted but wings extended ??
Have to have both the rads and SAWs retracted.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:53 pm
S4 AFT SOLAR ARRAY FINAL DEPLOYMENT BEGINS
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:54 pm
Continued!
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:55 pm
Close to getting done!
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Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 05:56 pm
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Wildthing - 12/6/2007  1:52 PM

When P6 is moved in the future, will they have to fold the wings or can they move it with arrays retracted but wings extended ??


The P6 array must have both arrays retracted before it is moved from the top of the Z1 truss to the port side of the P3/P4 truss and attached to the P5 truss.

The first array on P6 was retracted on STS-116 last December, and the second array on P6 (right now extended) will be retracted on this flight STS-117 starting tomorrow.

Richard
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:56 pm
Almost done!
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Post by: nathan.moeller on 06/12/2007 05:58 pm
Array extended to 100%!!
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Post by: jmjawors on 06/12/2007 05:59 pm
Magnificent.  I wonder how much brighter ISS will be in the sky after these deployments?
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 05:59 pm
Good Deploy!
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Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 05:59 pm
15 minutes left of KU, 16 minutes to sunset, good deploy of 3A, waiting for verification by MCC-H!

Richard
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/12/2007 06:00 pm
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jmjawors - 12/6/2007  6:59 PM

Magnificent.  I wonder how much brighter ISS will be in the sky after these deployments?

Not sure, but we do know the Total ISS mass is now 509,000 lbs.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 06:01 pm
Altantis going AUTO on DAP Taking over the Complex again.

All deployed at 12:58 CDT
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Post by: bsegal on 06/12/2007 06:03 pm
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Norm Hartnett - 12/6/2007  1:50 PM

Anyone catch the spring reference? Is it on 1A or 3A?

Believe they're referring to something observed on the array they're going to try to retract tomorrow.  They said they got some detailed pictures of it.  Also made reference to their training.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 06:06 pm
It is great to see both arrays of S4 fully extended and to know we don't have to worry about SA retract with these arrays (unless the SSU unit (sequential shunt unit located at the base of arrays to regulate the voltages of the arrays that the arrays produce) fails, then the arrays need to be retracted to allow replacement of the SSU) to avoid high voltage conditions during a repair EVA). I remember reading about this contig. during STS-115 somewhere, that will be the time when these arrays are ever retracted.

Richard
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 06:09 pm
They want to shine some light on some bays at night to count.

KFX Card downlinked.

Nice view of the array!
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/12/2007 06:09 pm
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bsegal - 12/6/2007  11:03 AM

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Norm Hartnett - 12/6/2007  1:50 PM

Anyone catch the spring reference? Is it on 1A or 3A?

Believe they're referring to something observed on the array they're going to try to retract tomorrow.  They said they got some detailed pictures of it.  Also made reference to their training.

Good call bsegal, P6-2B.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 06:11 pm
sts1: What kind of Ku are we going to have for the next sunrise? Id LOVE to get some nice Sunrise shots with this array.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 06:11 pm
Three minutes to KU loss and ZOE, four minutes to sunset on this pass.

Richard
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: haywoodfloyd on 06/12/2007 06:12 pm
They have to retract the remaining P6 array before they can allow the S4 array to rotate, right?
Just like they did for the P4 array?
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 06:13 pm
Reporting that they may be on Shuttle DAP Attitude control for a while longer due to some issue the russian segment is having.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: bsegal on 06/12/2007 06:15 pm
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haywoodfloyd - 12/6/2007  2:12 PM

They have to retract the remaining P6 array before they can allow the S4 array to rotate, right?
Just like they did for the P4 array?

Yeah - think the minimum that needs to be retracted to allow for SARJ rotation is 11 bays.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 06:15 pm
Ku Loss 18:14:30 UTC Just for reference on this attitude.

Ratty Comm as well.

edit: Sorry was in Sim mode for the :40 time, It's actually 18:14:30
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 06:15 pm
Sunrise is about 35 minutes away at 2:45 PM EDT. we will be on TDRS-West starting at 2:19 PM EDT, the KU coverage should resume shortly after TDRS-West acquisition but the coverage should improve by sunrise (unless there is some blockage by the complex).

Richard
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Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/12/2007 06:19 pm
This mission is sure getting better media coverage than I've seen in awhile here in California. I just saw several shots of wing deploy on local news and national coverage seemed pretty good the last couple of nights.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 06:20 pm
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sts1canada - 12/6/2007  1:15 PM

Sunrise is about 35 minutes away at 2:45 PM EDT. we will be on TDRS-West starting at 2:19 PM EDT, the KU coverage should resume shortly after TDRS-West acquisition but the coverage should improve by sunrise (unless there is some blockage by the complex).

Richard

If you look at the image I posted in the Ku Loss post. You see the area sunrise is in is actually in an area of Good Comm so hopefully we will have Ku. Thanks!
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Post by: Joffan on 06/12/2007 06:20 pm
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bsegal - 12/6/2007  12:15 PM

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haywoodfloyd - 12/6/2007  2:12 PM

They have to retract the remaining P6 array before they can allow the S4 array to rotate, right?
Just like they did for the P4 array?

Yeah - think the minimum that needs to be retracted to allow for SARJ rotation is 11 bays.
That's right, full retract is not essential to allow SARJ rotation. Obviously full retract is desirable while working on this, since it must be done anyway for the redeploy of P6.
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Post by: bsegal on 06/12/2007 06:22 pm
They need to change their graphic of ISS on the tracking map to show a new set of arrays on the other end.  :)
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Speedracer on 06/12/2007 06:23 pm
This marks the first time that 5 arrays have been deployed at the same time.  

Perhaps the complex can now be seen in the daytime with the naked eye?
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 06:24 pm
If Anyone has a good flyover viewing chance today. Go out and Look! We still have that single P6 array deployed and now is when it will be even brighter! It wont be this bright again until after the P6 Redeploy on STS-120.
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Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 06:24 pm
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Zachstar - 12/6/2007  2:15 PM

Ku Loss 18:14:30 UTC Just for reference on this attitude.

Ratty Comm as well.

edit: Sorry was in Sim mode for the :40 time, It's actually 18:14:30

The image that you posted shows the complex in the ZOE, right where as I am tracking in STSPLUS, they are out of the ZOE now, but not in direct line of sight yet for TDRS-West for highspeed KU. You are right, as I said around sunrise, KU coverage should improve.

Richard
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Post by: haywoodfloyd on 06/12/2007 06:24 pm
Can't wait to see the picture of the full Station during the fly-around.
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Post by: haywoodfloyd on 06/12/2007 06:29 pm
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Zachstar - 12/6/2007  2:24 PM

If Anyone has a good flyover viewing chance today. Go out and Look! We still have that single P6 array deployed and now is when it will be even brighter! It wont be this bright again until after the P6 Redeploy on STS-120.

I have 2 tonight.

ISS Tue Jun 12/09:44 PM 2 23 23 above N 11 above NE
ISS Tue Jun 12/11:19 PM 2 34 30 above NNW 21 above ENE

I will definitely go have a look.
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Post by: psloss on 06/12/2007 06:30 pm
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Speedracer - 12/6/2007  2:23 PM

This marks the first time that 5 arrays have been deployed at the same time.  

Perhaps the complex can now be seen in the daytime with the naked eye?
Maybe not yet, but...
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=4441
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 06:32 pm
16 minutes to sunrise, about 48 minutes left in this TDRS-West pass, as they move southeast towards Australia, KU coverage should improve, right now comm is still ratty as the complex is blocking the direct comm path to TDRS-West. That is all the updates that I can give for now, I have to do other work, keep up the great coverage everyone!

Richard
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 06:36 pm
Thanks sts1canada! Your updates really REALLY helped me today!
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 06:36 pm
Ku is here! (18:38 UTC) Moving a Camera
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 06:39 pm
Can see one of the deployed arrays.

4 mins to sunrise.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 06:46 pm
3 sets of nice sunrise images!

Sunrise!
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 06:47 pm
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 06:48 pm
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 07:02 pm
Caution tone! They radioed "no action".
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 07:03 pm
Other views of the solar panel.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 07:04 pm
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Zachstar - 12/6/2007  2:02 PM

Caution tone!

Sounds not to be anything as Suni wants to use the IP phone on this Ku pass.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: andymw on 06/12/2007 07:05 pm
Quick question:  When will the solar arrays be connected to the space station's power supply?  BTW:  As a nine-year-old when Apollo 11 landed I was blown away last night by the spacewalk videos - awesome to see it in real-time and a little bit scary - they packed so much in in 6 hours and seemed so close to catching their suits/gloves on things
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Post by: Seattle Dave on 06/12/2007 07:07 pm
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andymw - 12/6/2007  2:05 PM

Quick question:  When will the solar arrays be connected to the space station's power supply?  BTW:  As a nine-year-old when Apollo 11 landed I was blown away last night by the spacewalk videos - awesome to see it in real-time and a little bit scary - they packed so much in in 6 hours and seemed so close to catching their suits/gloves on things

Pretty much right away. 14kw added, then they lose 7kw when they retract one of the other arrays.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 07:10 pm
Russian Computer problem, they cant use thrusters while they are fixing it. Arrays feathered for Shuttle DAP

Nonstandard transfer to CMGs to get it off of Orbiter Control.

Low Power was the issue in that Alarm tone.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/12/2007 07:10 pm
Very smooth S4 array deployment!  ;)
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: andymw on 06/12/2007 07:14 pm
On the NASA video they said 32kW per arm ( approx 60kW for both sides) - You say 14kW additional before they retract the old ones - which is nearer reality?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Flightstar on 06/12/2007 07:27 pm
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andymw - 12/6/2007  2:14 PM

On the NASA video they said 32kW per arm ( approx 60kW for both sides) - You say 14kW additional before they retract the old ones - which is nearer reality?

Per arm? That's nonsensical for a start. NASA PAO is not your friend.

Each array adds 7. So 14 were added today. 7 will be taken away by one retraction.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/12/2007 07:30 pm
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Post by: andymw on 06/12/2007 07:33 pm
Thanks - it did seem a lot of power from those solar panels I must admit
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Post by: rcaron on 06/12/2007 07:34 pm
Any word on the handover to CMG?

Also, anybody have a ballpark on how long the batteries can last while the arrays are feathered? are we talking a few hours? a day?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: ace007 on 06/12/2007 07:35 pm
Also from a Nasa Press kit on 117

Each SAW is capable of generating nearly 32.8
kilowatts (kW) of direct current power. There
are two SAWs on the S4 module, yielding a
total power generation capability approaching
66 kW, enough power to meet the electrical
needs of about 30 2,800-square-foot houses,
consuming about 2kW of power each.
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Post by: Blade_Pride on 06/12/2007 07:41 pm
From a P3/P4 article on Nasaspaceflight.com…

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=4799

Each SAW is capable of generating nearly 32.8 Kilowatts (kW) of direct current power. There are two SAWs on the P4 module yielding a total power generation capability approaching 66 kW, enough power to meet the needs of 30 average homes ? without air conditioning (based on an average 2kW of power.)

Who’s right?
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Post by: Lee Jay on 06/12/2007 07:44 pm
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Flightstar - 12/6/2007  1:27 PM

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andymw - 12/6/2007  2:14 PM

On the NASA video they said 32kW per arm ( approx 60kW for both sides) - You say 14kW additional before they retract the old ones - which is nearer reality?

Per arm? That's nonsensical for a start. NASA PAO is not your friend.

Each array adds 7. So 14 were added today. 7 will be taken away by one retraction.

From Wikipedia:

"Each of the Solar Array Wings are 34 m (112 ft) long by 12 m (39 ft) wide, and are capable of generating nearly 32.8 kW of DC power."

34m*12m=408m^2

408m^2 * 1366 W/m^2 = 557.3kW

32.8kW/557.3kW = 5.9% efficiency

Given the amount of area that is actually mast instead of solar cells, that seems reasonable.

What gives?  Why do we keeping hearing 6-7kW per wing, and also 32-33kW per wing?

Lee Jay
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/12/2007 07:49 pm
There's some confusion over the exact figures. I actually remember Kirk Shireman using the 7 and 14 figures just the other day. Not that it's a big issue. Most people want to see them deploy and retract ok, which is the priority.
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Post by: eeergo on 06/12/2007 07:57 pm
Yes, I also remember the 7 and 14 figures in the other day's press conference. I've been searching in previous articles, though, just in case it was a recent figure error... however even on STS-97 press kit http://www.shuttlepresskit.com/STS-97/payload81.htm it talks about 31 kW per SAW (64 kW per segment)... so maybe Shireman was talking about power per blanket?
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Post by: eeergo on 06/12/2007 08:01 pm

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rcaron - 12/6/2007 9:34 PM Any word on the handover to CMG?

I've just caught ISS MCC saying they're back on normal ops.

Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 08:08 pm
Atlantis Still on DAP. Solar arrays still feathered.

Low power so Flight Rules have to be maintained to keep off some requested lights for 5 mins.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/12/2007 08:09 pm
Maybe they mean you get 6-7kW *mean* while the system is not tracking (like it is right now).  That would be about right from a 33kW peak.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 08:09 pm
The shuttle/station complex just passed out of the ZOE so normal Air to Ground communications are resuming, that what the MCC-H call was for.

Richard


Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 08:10 pm
No Ku and we are close to sunrise  :(

Guess no images this time around.  :frown:
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 08:15 pm
Oh well  :(

Sunrise!

Edit: sts1canada, How is the Ku looking for next Sunrise and next sunset? I want to catch some video this time.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: sts1canada on 06/12/2007 08:18 pm
I'm afraid that we will not get much KU TV for the next couple of hours based on the complex's attitude it is in, (blockage to TDRS), looking at the FD 5 Execute package summary timeline at the bottom of the page where they list the comm passes for all three TDRSS, you will see for orbits 62 - 64 (we are in orbit 62 right now), there are very few white bars that show KU will be available, KU coverage looks to improve later this evening if I am reading these timelines right, we will see what happens. Anyways, the crew is enjoying a 2 hour break and I have to get back to work. Great coverage work everyone!

Richard
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: jaredgalen on 06/12/2007 08:36 pm
Was that an alarm there a second ago?
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: jacqmans on 06/12/2007 08:46 pm
THIRD PAIR OF MASSIVE LOCKHEED MARTIN SOLAR ARRAYS BEGIN PROVIDING POWER TO INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION

SUNNYVALE, CALIF.,June 12, 2007

The third of four pairs of massive solar arrays and a second Solar Alpha Rotary Joint (SARJ), built by Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] at its Space Systems facility in Sunnyvale, have been installed on the International Space Station by the crew of the space shuttle Atlantis. The two new solar arrays have been deployed and are generating electricity.

"It is a testament to the professionalism of the STS-117 crew and the mission support team that they made this difficult ISS construction project look easy, and the deployment of the new arrays was a sight to behold," said Brad Haddock, Lockheed Martin ISS program director. "To see our arrays producing electricity is wonderfully satisfying, and we're confident that this addition will further harness solar energy for the Space Station and provide the power required for many years to come."  

The Space Systems ISS solar arrays are the largest deployable space structure ever built and are by far, the most powerful electricity-producing arrays ever put into orbit. When the Station is completed a total of eight flexible, deployable solar array wings will generate the reliable, continuous power for the on-orbit operation of the ISS systems. The eight array wings were designed and built under a $450 million contract from the Boeing-Rocketdyne Division in Canoga Park, Calif., for delivery to the Boeing Company and NASA.
 
Each of the eight wings consists of a mast assembly and two solar array blankets. Each blanket has 84 panels, of which 82 are populated with solar cells. Each panel contains 200 solar cells. The eight photovoltaic arrays thus accommodate a total of 262,400 solar cells. When fully deployed in space, the active area of the eight wings, each 107 by 38-feet, will encompass an area of 32,528-sq. ft., and will provide power to the ISS for 15 years.

A Solar Alpha Rotary Joint also built by Lockheed Martin, 10.5 ft in diameter and 40 inches long, was installed this week and will maintain the new solar arrays in an optimal orientation to the Sun while the entire space station orbits the Earth once every 90 minutes. Drive motors in the SARJ move the arrays through 360 degrees of motion at four degrees per minute. The joints must rotate the arrays smoothly without imparting vibrations to the laboratories and habitation modules on the station that would impact microgravity-processing activities. At the same time, 60 kW of power at 160 volts and multiple data channels are carried across each joint by copper "roll rings" contained within.

In addition to the arrays and SARJ, Space Systems in Sunnyvale designed and built other elements for the Space Station. The Thermal Radiator Rotary Joints (TRRJ) - each five and a half feet long and three feet in diameter - were launched in 2002. The two joints maintain Space Station thermal radiators in an edge-on orientation to the Sun that maximizes the dissipation of heat from the radiators into space.

Space Systems also produced the Trace Contaminant Control System ?- launched to ISS as an element of the U.S. Destiny Laboratory module in 2001 - an advanced air processing and filtering system that ensures that over 200 various trace chemical contaminants, generated from material off-gassing and metabolic functions in the Space Station atmosphere, remain within allowable concentration levels. It is an integral part of the Space Station's Cabin Air Revitalization Subsystem.

 
Contact:
Buddy Nelson: (510) 797-0349
e-mail: [email protected]
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: bsegal on 06/12/2007 09:04 pm
MSNBC.com reporting issue with hit to left wing.  ???
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: emg on 06/12/2007 09:05 pm
Anyone have a link that shows how the solar array telescopic masts work?  Neat bit of engineering...
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 09:05 pm
12 mins to sunset.

Image of a solar array.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Jon_Jones on 06/12/2007 09:14 pm
Wing........ OMS Pod.... what's the difference. The associated press, another fine source of confusion.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: kneecaps on 06/12/2007 09:17 pm
Got to say! Just saw the MOST AMAZING pass i've ever seen. The stack got very very bright as it reached zenith and literally flared in almost the same way Iridium looks. It was a pure brilliant white flare which almost doubled the visible size!

Thrilled! I wonder if its the extra array or just coincidence!
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 09:18 pm
A nice sunset
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Post by: spaceamillion on 06/12/2007 09:19 pm
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kneecaps - 12/6/2007  4:17 PM

Got to say! Just saw the MOST AMAZING pass i've ever seen. The stack got very very bright as it reached zenith and literally flared in almost the same way Iridium looks. It was a pure brilliant white flare which almost doubled the visible size!

Thrilled! I wonder if its the extra array or just coincidence!

Same here from Leeds!!

Absolutely stunning. Took out my binoculars - didn't need them!!

Now to see a daylight pass ?
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 09:19 pm
Spooky Still image.
Title: Left Wing Impact??
Post by: jeff122670 on 06/12/2007 09:20 pm
just saw on MSNBC (ok, take it for what it is worth) that NASA is examining an impact on the left wing..

anyone have any details?

Jeff
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: makims on 06/12/2007 09:21 pm
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Zachstar - 12/6/2007  1:24 PM

If Anyone has a good flyover viewing chance today. Go out and Look! We still have that single P6 array deployed and now is when it will be even brighter! It wont be this bright again until after the P6 Redeploy on STS-120.

Very much brighter,no doubt about it.ISS be able to see despite some thick clouds.Never happen before :cool:
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 09:22 pm
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kneecaps - 12/6/2007  4:17 PM

Got to say! Just saw the MOST AMAZING pass i've ever seen. The stack got very very bright as it reached zenith and literally flared in almost the same way Iridium looks. It was a pure brilliant white flare which almost doubled the visible size!

Thrilled! I wonder if its the extra array or just coincidence!

I'd say about 90 percent luck 10 percent P6 array


--------

Beeps on NASA TV: Warning Message

Suni said somthing with fire!
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 09:23 pm
Beeps continue: Fire Alarm!

FIRE IN THE FGB!
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: norm103 on 06/12/2007 09:23 pm
fire alrm
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/12/2007 09:23 pm
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Jon_Jones - 12/6/2007  3:14 PM

Wing........ OMS Pod.... what's the difference. The associated press, another fine source of confusion.

Chris reported that a wing leading edge sensor reported a possible MMOD hit.  Do a search for "WLE" from Chris and you'll probably find it.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Jon_Jones on 06/12/2007 09:24 pm
Sorry, now they might have a fire on board in the FGB.

"multiple alarm messages"

may be a false alarm
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 09:26 pm
Removing power.

Said something about propellant.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 09:27 pm
They seem to be powering down the FGB
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: JimO on 06/12/2007 09:28 pm
They're saying it's only on the american laptop and not on two Russian (?) alarm circuits -- but are going through an FGB powerdown per procedure.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Jon_Jones on 06/12/2007 09:28 pm
yep
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: JimO on 06/12/2007 09:29 pm
Clay Anderson reports no evidence of visible smoke or fire.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: norm103 on 06/12/2007 09:29 pm
just siad softwer but still looking
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 09:30 pm
Clay reporting some software glitch.

Clay CONFIRMS no fire!
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Post by: JimO on 06/12/2007 09:30 pm
Clay: "It appears to be a software problem and we are working some recovery operations. There -- is -- no -- fire."
Title: Re: Left Wing Impact??
Post by: Andrewwski on 06/12/2007 09:31 pm
Haven't heard anything.  And this site usually (almost always) has the news before anyplace else.

EDIT:  Allright, I just heard it on MSNBC.  They're claiming that there's an impact on the left wing near where Columbia was hit.  They are talking about an MMOD.

They also claim NASA is "downplaying the situation".

My initial reaction is that MSNBC is overreacting to the situation.  They claim it's "serious" and presents a huge problem.

Chris or L2 members, any news?
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 09:33 pm
Did anyone notice that Clay seemed angry?
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Post by: psloss on 06/12/2007 09:34 pm
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Zachstar - 12/6/2007  5:33 PM

Did anyone notice that Clay seemed angry?
Sounded more emphatic than angry to me.

The clipped way that Suni initially reported it sounded a little more disconcerting...
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: JimO on 06/12/2007 09:34 pm
MSNBC.com reports six minutes ago,
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19189731/,
seems to be more info than initially reported here last night...

HOUSTON - Sensors on the shuttle Atlantis have recorded a hit on the leading edge of the left wing, the same area where Columbia suffered fatal damage four years ago, NASA officials said Tuesday. However, they emphasized that the hit probably did no damage to Atlantis.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, told NBC News that the area would be inspected to make certain that the wing will be safe.

They said the hit was recorded by sensors in two of the reinforced carbon-carbon panels that are designed to keep the heat of atmospheric re-entry from burning up the spacecraft. The sensor system was upgraded after the 2003 Columbia tragedy, which led to the loss of the shuttle and its crew of seven astronauts.


Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 09:35 pm
The press is going to have a FIELD DAY! with NASA today at the briefing.

Who here bets they may even forget to ask about blanket repair?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Andrewwski on 06/12/2007 09:37 pm
There's another thread on this, but I think this would be a more appropriate place, so I'll keep it in here.

MSNBC is going totally ballistic, claiming that NASA is "downplaying the situation" and that there is "serious danger" that is a result of damage "very similar to that of Columbia".
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Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/12/2007 09:38 pm
Clay has not had a good introduction to his new home.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 09:38 pm
Alarm Tone! No action: Sounds like the low battery warning again.
Title: Re: Left Wing Impact??
Post by: DaveS on 06/12/2007 09:39 pm
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Andrewwski - 12/6/2007  11:31 PM
EDIT:  Allright, I just heard it on MSNBC.  They're claiming that there's an impact on the left wing near where Colombia was hit.  They are talking about an MMOD.
It's Columbia, please. No association with the nation.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: psloss on 06/12/2007 09:39 pm
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Zachstar - 12/6/2007  5:35 PM

The press is going to have a FIELD DAY! with NASA today at the briefing.

Who here bets they may even forget to ask about blanket repair?
Maybe.  From the press standpoint, it's a similar story (different details, though) to the incident after Atlantis undocked last time.
Title: Re: Left Wing Impact??
Post by: jeff122670 on 06/12/2007 09:39 pm
yeah, i agree with you too.....i wrote that post initially before MSNBC had a link, then when they made a link to the story, i read it and thought they are completely over reacting.....
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: psloss on 06/12/2007 09:39 pm
Another caution alarm...no action and expect one more.
Title: Re: Left Wing Impact??
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/12/2007 09:40 pm
Chris reported it yesterday.

"MMOD event being investigated. Hit was registered on WLE sensors."  -- Chris Bergin
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/12/2007 09:41 pm
I wonder if the fire alarm was a low power issue too.
Title: Re: Left Wing Impact??
Post by: Andrewwski on 06/12/2007 09:42 pm
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DaveS - 12/6/2007  5:39 PM

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Andrewwski - 12/6/2007  11:31 PM
EDIT:  Allright, I just heard it on MSNBC.  They're claiming that there's an impact on the left wing near where Colombia was hit.  They are talking about an MMOD.
It's Columbia, please. No association with the nation.

Fixed, sorry, I was typing faster than I could think.  I was trying to copy quotes off the TV as they were coming in.

Am I out of my right mind to send MSNBC an email heavily criticizing their severly dramatized report?
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Post by: psloss on 06/12/2007 09:43 pm
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Norm Hartnett - 12/6/2007  5:41 PM

I wonder if the fire alarm was a low power issue too.
Thought I heard from the Russian translator that there may have been a connection between restarting computer(s) and the fire alarm (PAO noting that now, too).

Not sure which cosmonaut was being translated...
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/12/2007 09:45 pm
Rather impressive response from MCC M. They were all over it, good work by the on station guys too.
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Post by: Joffan on 06/12/2007 09:45 pm
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emg - 12/6/2007 3:05 PM

Anyone have a link that shows how the solar array telescopic masts work? Neat bit of engineering...

They're made by AEC and called FASTMast... hope this get you a bit further.
Title: Re: Left Wing Impact??
Post by: Ankle-bone12 on 06/12/2007 09:49 pm
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Andrewwski - 12/6/2007  4:42 PM


Am I out of my right mind to send MSNBC an email heavily criticizing their severly dramatized report?

No, i encourage it.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: emg on 06/12/2007 09:50 pm
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Joffan - 11/6/2007  10:45 PM

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emg - 12/6/2007 3:05 PM

Anyone have a link that shows how the solar array telescopic masts work? Neat bit of engineering...

They're made by AEC and called FASTMast... hope this get you a bit further.

Thanks!
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/12/2007 09:52 pm
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Lee Jay - 12/6/2007  10:40 PM

Chris reported it yesterday.

"MMOD event being investigated. Hit was registered on WLE sensors."  -- Chris Bergin

Only deserved a one line mention as it was only a 0.5. Nothing to go overboard with.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Andrewwski on 06/12/2007 09:53 pm
Now that you mention the 0.5, I remember it.  I also remember thinking that it shouldn't be a cause of concern.

I'm searching for an appropriate email address right now.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: noname_77065 on 06/12/2007 09:53 pm
Oh the mainstream media....this is why websites like this exist. :)
Title: Re: Left Wing Impact??
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 09:54 pm
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Ankle-bone12 - 12/6/2007  4:49 PM

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Andrewwski - 12/6/2007  4:42 PM


Am I out of my right mind to send MSNBC an email heavily criticizing their severly dramatized report?

No, i encourage it.

Seconded! I'm really mad at the way the media has been handling this. No wonder both the Right and Left hate them! They've got to make a scandal out of everything!

They are taking freedom of the press to far! Contributing greatly to the apathy of spaceflight that is apparent in my generation and others!

Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Melroy Fan on 06/12/2007 09:55 pm
Found the following contact page for MSNBC site. Not sure which one to send an e-mail to however.

I hope this helps you out.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10285339/
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/12/2007 09:55 pm
Maybe they are talking about something else (another potential hit). I've not seen any note of it, so I don't know.

Let's get back on to mission coverage.
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Post by: psloss on 06/12/2007 09:57 pm
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Chris Bergin - 12/6/2007  5:52 PM

Only deserved a one line mention as it was only a 0.5. Nothing to go overboard with.
Sure would like to know how "extremely low magnitude" is interpreted as "downplaying."  

Without knowing who said what, it's hard to not be biased against the press on this...
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: psloss on 06/12/2007 09:58 pm
Mission status briefing shortly...
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Post by: JimO on 06/12/2007 09:59 pm
Ballistic? Where? Maybe I haven't seen the earlier stories from AP...?

"... they emphasized that the hit probably did no damage to Atlantis.
The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, told NBC News that the area
would be inspected to make certain that the wing will be safe.

"...a senior NASA official downplayed the sensor detection, saying that a hit could be recorded even if no damage is done to the shuttle."

Sounds pretty well-informed and well-advised to ME?
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/12/2007 10:00 pm
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Chris Bergin - 12/6/2007  3:55 PM

Maybe they are talking about something else (another potential hit). I've not seen any note of it, so I don't know.

Let's get back on to mission coverage.

I may be a newbie around here, but from what I've seen so far, if you don't know about it, it probably doesn't exist.

Lee Jay
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/12/2007 10:01 pm
Sounds like the Russians expended a fire extingusher during the emergency. Does anyone know why the low power period was not better planned? They have had years and an extra 4 months to get this right.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 10:01 pm
Still from a camera on ISS.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/12/2007 10:03 pm
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psloss - 12/6/2007  10:57 PM

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Chris Bergin - 12/6/2007  5:52 PM

Only deserved a one line mention as it was only a 0.5. Nothing to go overboard with.
Sure would like to know how "extremely low magnitude" is interpreted as "downplaying."  

Without knowing who said what, it's hard to not be biased against the press on this...

I didn't say anything in relation to downplaying. I report what I get, and don't add anything around it (I'm not an engineer, so I can't).

All I wrote was - at the end of an article which had a seperate primary subject matter.

"NASA are also investigating a hit registered on Atlantis' Wing Leading Edge. Classed as a MMOD event (the first of the mission), it wasn't stated which wing registered the hit.

'There was also a 0.5g hit on the WLE sensor last night at around 2:41am. This may come during FI (Focused Inspection) since it occurred after the flight day 2 checkout.

'Attempting to determine the time of MMOD Case 01.'"

No interpreting, just wrote it as the info I recieved.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: JimO on 06/12/2007 10:07 pm
Re the potential MMOD hit signal, here is what I have been advised:

"At 162/07:41:22 (MET 02/08:03:18) the Wing Leading Edge Sensor on Port Panel 7/8 returned a possible MMOD indication."

This is the way NBC news is reporting it, as far as I have any influence over it is concerned.

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Post by: psloss on 06/12/2007 10:07 pm
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Chris Bergin - 12/6/2007  6:03 PM

I didn't say anything in relation to downplaying. I report what I get, and don't add anything around it (I'm not an engineer, so I can't).
Not your report, Chris, the MSNBC one.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Andrewwski on 06/12/2007 10:08 pm
CNN Headline News made no mention of this.  They just touched on the OPS issue, but nothing about a wing impact.

I just sent an email to MSNBC.  I'm curious to see if I get any replies.  I was trying to be as nice as possible, but probably did seem quite confrontational.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 10:11 pm
Wonderful view from the shuttle robotic arm.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Joffan on 06/12/2007 10:13 pm
What does the "g" stand for in 0.5g? Does it mean gram, and the true value is 5mN (millinewtons)? or does it mean 9.8m/sē, in which case I have no idea of the force involved, since I don't know the mass of the sensor?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Norm Hartnett on 06/12/2007 10:13 pm
I would love to be a fly on the wall of the pre-mission status briefing meeting. They have a lot to talk about.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Joffan on 06/12/2007 10:14 pm
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Norm Hartnett - 12/6/2007  4:13 PM

I would love to be a fly on the wall of the pre-mission status briefing meeting. They have a lot to talk about.

I get the impression those flies are the source for L2...
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: psloss on 06/12/2007 10:17 pm
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JimO - 12/6/2007  6:07 PM

Re the potential MMOD hit signal, here is what I have been advised:

"At 162/07:41:22 (MET 02/08:03:18) the Wing Leading Edge Sensor on Port Panel 7/8 returned a possible MMOD indication."

This is the way NBC news is reporting it, as far as I have any influence over it is concerned.

Was the magnitude of this hit larger than previous events or was this event more significant than the events that occurred on the previous flights during ascent and on-orbit?

I don't see what is outstanding about this event that makes it a story -- or is this a story because the source of the event hasn't been explained yet?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: ApolloLee on 06/12/2007 10:26 pm
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Norm Hartnett - 12/6/2007  2:45 PM

Rather impressive response from MCC M. They were all over it, good work by the on station guys too.

Nice fire drill...

Wonder if the crews made sure to line up single-file.  ;)
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Post by: ApolloLee on 06/12/2007 10:27 pm
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Andrewwski - 12/6/2007  2:53 PM

Now that you mention the 0.5, I remember it.  I also remember thinking that it shouldn't be a cause of concern.

I'm searching for an appropriate email address right now.

Used to live in Southern California...... I could deal with a 0.5 but don't get me started about those 6.0s.
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Post by: JimO on 06/12/2007 10:29 pm
NASA briefing.

re impact sensor hit..

second, bigger hit last night -- right wing, panels 11 & 12, 1 G.

'something is going on -- could be thermal settling or deformation'
'we've seen it before' -- looked at it before, 'there was nothing there'
'We're not concerned about it.'
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Post by: Andrewwski on 06/12/2007 10:30 pm
OK, so there was indeed a bigger impact, but still nothing of concern?

Plus, I just noticed, the reference you just made was to the right wing, MSNBC is referring to the left wing.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 10:31 pm
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Andrewwski - 12/6/2007  5:30 PM

OK, so there was indeed a bigger impact, but still nothing of concern?

They think its something beside an impact fooling the sensor.

They don't have an impact "ring" so it wasn't an impact.
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Post by: Andrewwski on 06/12/2007 10:33 pm
MSNBC just mentioned Atlantis again, but this time only referred to the OPS issue, not the wing impact.
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Post by: Naraht on 06/12/2007 10:36 pm
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spaceamillion - 12/6/2007  10:19 PM

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kneecaps - 12/6/2007  4:17 PM

Got to say! Just saw the MOST AMAZING pass i've ever seen. The stack got very very bright as it reached zenith and literally flared in almost the same way Iridium looks. It was a pure brilliant white flare which almost doubled the visible size!

Thrilled! I wonder if its the extra array or just coincidence!

Same here from Leeds!!

Absolutely stunning. Took out my binoculars - didn't need them!!

Now to see a daylight pass ?

I saw it in Oxford too! Absolutely stunning, flare and all. Deep blue sky and nothing in it but Venus and the ISS.
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Post by: Launch Fan on 06/12/2007 10:40 pm
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Joffan - 12/6/2007  5:14 PM

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Norm Hartnett - 12/6/2007  4:13 PM

I would love to be a fly on the wall of the pre-mission status briefing meeting. They have a lot to talk about.

I get the impression those flies are the source for L2...

You don't even need flies, L2 gets you a comfy chair and a cup of coffee at the meetings :)
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Post by: triddirt on 06/12/2007 10:45 pm
Nasa Briefing..

Nice description of an ISS fire drill
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 10:49 pm
Schedule for tomorrow.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 10:51 pm
Images from the repair training video.
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Post by: joncz on 06/12/2007 10:51 pm
John Shannon:

"Our big non-decision of the day was ... which EVA to put it on."

Heh.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 10:53 pm
More images
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 10:56 pm
Station arm in motion.

(Cant listen to audio ATM) someone report whats going on please.
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Post by: noname_77065 on 06/12/2007 10:58 pm
The arm is being moved in preparation for tomorrow.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 10:58 pm
Looks like they changed the model on their InfoView
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 11:06 pm
Looks like they will soon turn off the DAP and get the station to take over attitude control.
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Post by: brahmanknight on 06/12/2007 11:08 pm
That's what I like to hear....some offseason college football talk on the ISS!!!
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Post by: otisbow on 06/12/2007 11:09 pm
I like the new stuff on the Mission Control Orbital Map showing when there is GOOD COMM and RATTY COMM.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 11:11 pm
NASA TV Audio Clip from Video recorded from the Yahoo! 1200 feed.

OGG Vorbis form.

Please let me know how it sounds and if it is useful for anything.

There wasn't anything shown on the video feed other than the usual nonKU feeds. So the audio will do.

Study it, Learn or something.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Chandonn on 06/12/2007 11:12 pm
Quick question RE: Tomorrow's 2B array retraction:  During STS-97, when the P6 arrays were unfurled, I seem to recall one of the two arrays had a bigger problem deploying than the other.  Was it 2B or 4B?  And what effect is that likely to have on tomorrow's retraction?

EDIT: typos
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 11:21 pm
Attitude Console

Preparing for Transition.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 11:22 pm
View of the P6 Truss
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Post by: bsegal on 06/12/2007 11:29 pm
Zach:  Any suggestions on how to convert your .ogg file to .wma or another format supported by Windows Media Player?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 11:31 pm
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bsegal - 12/6/2007  6:29 PM

Zach:  Any suggestions on how to convert your .ogg file to .wma or another format supported by Windows Media Player?

Get VLC. Works great for MANY formats!  :)

It's a cross-platform media player that works great in MANY areas of media.

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 11:36 pm
Crew is preparing to downlink some video for analysis of the lighting for retraction tomorrow.

Ku comes at 00:14 UTC
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 11:43 pm
ISS CMGs are in control! Finally they can turn and get these batteries charged!

Atlantis DAP off
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 11:43 pm
Alarm!

DAP back to auto!
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Post by: triddirt on 06/12/2007 11:43 pm
Alarm and an immediate call to DAP auto
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 11:44 pm
Attempt to take back attitude control: Failure

A new attempt will be planned.

Alarm off
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 11:45 pm
View of one of the CanadaArms
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 11:45 pm
Images from the downlink video.
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Post by: bsegal on 06/12/2007 11:45 pm
Someone's gonna have a lot of explaining to do for the CMG software not properly programmed to take the new loads.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: gordo on 06/12/2007 11:45 pm
going to be a long night for the guys :laugh:
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 11:49 pm
You cant really see much from the video.

The crew says the video isn't doing it justice.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/12/2007 11:52 pm
Apparantly that tape had audio that was supposed to be transmitted but wasn't.

Working on a new config to try that.

Quite a day of troubleshooting!  ;)
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: gordo on 06/13/2007 12:00 am
its amazing that with the advances in technology, an upgrade was never done to allow high quality audio to come down with video on KU
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 12:05 am
View of the Unity (Node1) and Destiny Lab.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 12:11 am
Those batteries have got to be getting pretty weak by now.

Hope they can get it back on the CMGs soon.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 12:13 am
Interviews coming up!
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 12:15 am
Some views by cameras on the ISS
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 12:19 am
View of the CanadaArm2

Very Silent on NASA TV
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 12:23 am
Sunset!
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 12:25 am
They can now attempt a normal Transition! This is thanks to the Russians repairing their computer systems enough to use their Nav systems.

15 mins till Atlantis DAP

View of a truss.

Image2: View of the CanadaArm2
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 12:35 am
Suni preparing to do something...

Edit: Oh the track experiment.
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Post by: gordo on 06/13/2007 12:37 am
Suni caught surfing the web :)
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 12:39 am
Suni testing her eye/hand coordination.

She seems pretty fast!
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/13/2007 12:51 am
How much fuel does the Shuttle use when it's in control?  I know the thrusters are very small, but I have no idea how often they actually fire.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 12:52 am
Atlantis DAP: OFF Free Drift!

ISS Taking over Attitude control.

Sunrise!
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 12:54 am
So far so good! No Alarms!

ISS Attitude Control! SUCCESS!

Just in time for sunrise too! Now they can finally turn the panels & charge those tired batteries.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 12:59 am
Hopefully the final low charge alarm today.

4A is now in Autotrack.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 01:02 am
Alarm Tone: As mentioned.

2 more planned due to low power.

Here I will post an OGG of the tone.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 01:07 am
ISS Low Power Alarm
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 01:33 am
The media is asking some ok questions this time around.

I'm going to post the audio of it afterwards.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 01:40 am
The many solar cells of the panel.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 01:43 am
9 Mins of Crew Flight Day Highlights today.

Atlantis uncrewed for now as they head over to the Airlock for the EVA Briefing.

Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 01:49 am
Momentum Spiking above 90% Looks like they may lose control again.

They may just leave the station in free drift.

Also they may turn on DAP in low power mode to allow the solar panels to charge the tired batteries. The orientation will be rough.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: bsegal on 06/13/2007 01:51 am
ISS still maintaining attitude control?
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 01:51 am
Alarm!

CMGs lost control  :(
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 01:52 am
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bsegal - 12/6/2007  8:51 PM

ISS still maintaining attitude control?

CMGs lost control. Station is in free drift for 30 mins.

They will recover with the Orbiter.

----

Sunset!
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: ZeeNL on 06/13/2007 01:55 am
Hmm, hope they can solve this problem soon. What would happen if somehow the CMG's can't control the ISS anymore with the addition of the new solar arrays?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: MySDCUserID on 06/13/2007 01:55 am
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Zachstar - 12/6/2007  9:52 PM

Quote
bsegal - 12/6/2007  8:51 PM

ISS still maintaining attitude control?

CMGs lost control. Station is in free drift for 30 mins.

They will recover with the Orbiter.

Is this normal when an orbiter is docked?  That is... the CMGs losing control.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 01:56 am
OGG File of the Interview.

I cut out most of the silence to help keep down file size. Sorry, but the content is still there.  :cool:
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: ZeeNL on 06/13/2007 01:57 am
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MySDCUserID - 13/6/2007  3:55 AM

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Zachstar - 12/6/2007  9:52 PM

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bsegal - 12/6/2007  8:51 PM

ISS still maintaining attitude control?

CMGs lost control. Station is in free drift for 30 mins.

They will recover with the Orbiter.

Is this normal when an orbiter is docked?

No, they are in an anomalous situation now.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: ZeeNL on 06/13/2007 02:01 am
I wonder which TDRS satellites are used now? From the execution packages and orbitron, I figure TDRS East is TDRS 5, TDRS West is TDRS 4 and TDRS Z is TDRS 3.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/13/2007 02:30 am
Sky News in the UK made a feature out of yesterday's EVA: http://news.sky.com/skynews/picture_gallery/picture_gallery/0,,70141-1270132-1,00.html
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: bsegal on 06/13/2007 02:40 am
still in free drift
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 02:42 am
View of Atlantis docked to Destiny.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: j2_ on 06/13/2007 02:43 am
Why do they have to bee in free drift to charge the arrays?

Why do the CMGs have to disconnect when they get saturated?
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 02:46 am
Mobile Base System on the move to get the CanadaArm2 to a position to support the EVA tomorrow.
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Post by: bsegal on 06/13/2007 02:46 am
SSRMS in motion
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Post by: MKremer on 06/13/2007 02:47 am
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ZeeNL - 12/6/2007  8:55 PM

Hmm, hope they can solve this problem soon. What would happen if somehow the CMG's can't control the ISS anymore with the addition of the new solar arrays?
That has nothing to do with it (in fact the previous, 'lopsided' configuration would have been even more difficult to maneuver based on drag and c/g).
The problem is the CMG controls also interface through the control computers on the Russian side. The Russian computers crashed heavily, so MCC's been trying to do a temporary workaround to leave the Russian control side completely out of the loop. The Shuttle being there (with its extra offset mass) is probably what's making everything that much more difficult to get that accomplished successfully.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 02:48 am
Move Continues.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 02:50 am
They are going to do the downlink and hope for good Ku despite the drift.

Crew Flight Day Highlights soon to start.

Edit: Move Continues
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Speedracer on 06/13/2007 02:53 am
Maybe it's just me, but using a sharp pointy needle next to a space suit just gives me the willies when seeing that video of the repair using "stitches".

Do the astronauts have a thimble?
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 02:54 am
Move Finished
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Post by: MKremer on 06/13/2007 02:56 am
No thimbles, but they do have several types of needlenose pliers.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: JMS on 06/13/2007 02:56 am
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Speedracer - 12/6/2007  9:53 PM

Maybe it's just me, but using a sharp pointy needle next to a space suit just gives me the willies when seeing that video of the repair using "stitches".

I had the same reaction to seeing that.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: ZeeNL on 06/13/2007 03:10 am
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MKremer - 13/6/2007  4:47 AM

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ZeeNL - 12/6/2007  8:55 PM

Hmm, hope they can solve this problem soon. What would happen if somehow the CMG's can't control the ISS anymore with the addition of the new solar arrays?
That has nothing to do with it (in fact the previous, 'lopsided' configuration would have been even more difficult to maneuver based on drag and c/g).
The problem is the CMG controls also interface through the control computers on the Russian side. The Russian computers crashed heavily, so MCC's been trying to do a temporary workaround to leave the Russian control side completely out of the loop. The Shuttle being there (with its extra offset mass) is probably what's making everything that much more difficult to get that accomplished successfully.

Thanks for the insightful answer! So I guess it is just bad luck that the Russian control computers act up now?
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 03:18 am
The Russians are working a patch to prevent the type of computer software fire false alarm we saw today.

Still no downlink.

An image of the truss.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 03:21 am
Few mins till Shuttle DAP to get the station out of free drift.

It's going to be slow.

EDIT: CPU Generated Image showing the bit of drift going on.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Joffan on 06/13/2007 03:25 am
I'd just like to express my appreciation for the excellent commentary you've given us today, Zachstar. Great work.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 03:30 am
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Joffan - 12/6/2007  10:25 PM

I'd just like to express my appreciation for the excellent commentary you've given us today, Zachstar. Great work.

Hey thanks for that!  :cool:

Just want to insure we have some great archives to look back on as we await the launch of some shuttle or Ares flight.  ;)

NASASpaceFlight rules!
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 03:30 am
Shuttle on DAP. However they are on verniers so it will be a SLOW process.

Hopefully they can get it back on CMG for good soon enough.

Question: If it takes longer or they have another attitude loss before the crew is scheduled to rest. Will they leave it on Atlantis DAP overnight? Also will that eat up alot more fuel?
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: MKremer on 06/13/2007 03:37 am
The verniers are pretty good at just sipping propellent. There should be more than enough RCS propellent even if this condition persists. The only detriment may be cancelling the full flyaround after undocking.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 03:54 am
Shuttle DAP off for a few seconds then back on, as planned.

They are going to have Ku under Analog later for the playback.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:00 am
Attitude recovered.

Edit: Image2: Spacewalkers for tomorrow.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:08 am
DAP: Off

Complex in free drift again.

Done to prepare ISS attitude systems and conserve propellant.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:10 am
ISS has attitude control again!

Lets see if this one lasts!
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:28 am
Downlink Started!
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:32 am
Continued.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:35 am
Stopped as they have lost Ku.

They will have a chance to finish it soon enough.

View of a solar array.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:43 am
I was wondering when that was finally going to happen.

Station offers to bring down the rest of the downlink video.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:48 am
Beautiful Image
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:50 am
More Images.
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 04:55 am
All done!

Anyone in Canada look up? Yall just had an awesome sight pass! And I hear the Station is MUCH brighter  ;)

Sunset!
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 05:01 am
If I heard right then it seems the shuttle is back in control.  :(

I guess they are only able to hold CMG control long enough to let the panels track the sun and charge the tired batteries.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 05:10 am
Ok out of the blue they started playing these crew bios.

Song is pretty cool. Tho STS-121's was MUCH better!

Images
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 05:15 am
Crew thanking ground.

The overnight attitude plan is as follows.

ISS is currently in control.

They report that the problem can sneak up again but they are pretty sure it wont.

If it happens, ALARM! and they will have to wake to turn on the DAP.

If it happened suddenly the DAP overnight propellant usage would have been.

80 pounds forward 60 pounds aft.

Crew going to rest now. BIG day tomorrow.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 05:16 am
And goodnight everyone. Any of you night owls willing to watch for any ALARMS! and report if they happen?
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: j2_ on 06/13/2007 05:35 am
Zachstar,

Great coverage today, thanks!
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Post by: geminy007 on 06/13/2007 06:05 am
and we are watching,....! ITīs daytime in Europe:-)
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Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/13/2007 06:23 am
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Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 10:55 am
View of the array on the P6 truss.

5:47 AM CDT 1/2 Mast bay.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: geminy007 on 06/13/2007 10:56 am
Is it FD 05 or FD 06!?!?: Commands sent for initial retraction P6 2B array at 10:47 GMT!
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 11:02 am
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geminy007 - 13/6/2007  5:56 AM

Is it FD 05 or FD 06!?!?: Commands sent for initial retraction P6 2B array at 10:47 GMT!

Chill! Chris hasn't made a FD6 topic yet so i'll post stuff here and let Chris move it later.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Zachstar on 06/13/2007 11:13 am
Another View
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Post by: geminy007 on 06/13/2007 11:33 am
@Zachstar: This was a true Question, no matter if Chris opens a new thread or not, does this acitivity count for FD 05 or 06!?! AFAIK FD06 starts with crew wake-up?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: kneecaps on 06/13/2007 11:42 am
Open up a new thread.... Live: STS-117 Flight Day 6 - EVA 2
Its not a huge issue I don't think..this is clearly FD6 :)
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: Skinny on 06/13/2007 12:01 pm
And on to FD6 :

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=8352&posts=1&start=1
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-117 Flight Day 5 - S4 deploy
Post by: James Lowe1 on 06/18/2007 05:15 pm
Bump to align mission pages in order.