haywoodfloyd - 10/6/2007 2:57 PM
How so?
How does it affect the water spray boilers?
haywoodfloyd - 10/6/2007 10:03 AMYou can see them in this diagram:
Can you be more specific?
Are there vents on the OMS pods?
haywoodfloyd - 10/6/2007 3:03 PM
Can you be more specific?
Are there vents on the OMS pods?
haywoodfloyd - 10/6/2007 4:15 PMThey're NOT on the pod, but the aft engine compartment to which the OMS pods are bolted to. The OMS pods are removable.
haywoodfloyd - 10/6/2007 10:03 AM
Can you be more specific?
Are there vents on the OMS pods?
Yes...you can see them in this diagram:
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/shuttle/reference/sodb/2-4a.pdf
OK Thanks.
With the vents being on the starboard OMS pod and the rip being on the port pod, what is the issue? The concern is that the ice would block the steam vents for the WSBs.
haywoodfloyd - 10/6/2007 10:15 AM
With the vents being on the starboard OMS pod and the rip being on the port pod, what is the issue?
Chandonn - 10/6/2007 3:20 PM
Probably just an attitude change to heat them in the sun post-docking.
JimO - 10/6/2007 10:14 AMIt's an interesting discussion topic, although I think there'd be more breathing room for it (timewise) in between missions. I think the networks have something like a Catch-22 for subjects like this (and audiences like the one for this site).
dcaron yesterday noted: "That's why we are all here, and not watching the news networks. "
Some networks try very hard to have the best advice and avoid embarrassing themselves and misinforming viewers, at least regarding space topics. They have decided (bless them and their mothers) to expend money and time on this. I hope they continue to decide it's worth the effort (selfish reasons!). Being noticed for their efforts wouldn't hurt. A major aspect is in the stories they do NOT choose to run -- good example, the hype last month about "rejected Mercury women astronauts" getting honorary PhD's in Michigan. Most major networks fell for the NOW propaganda scam, but NBC followed its expert's advice and ignored the non-story.
eeergo - 10/6/2007 5:25 PMIt's just still-imagery, no video.
4 minutes from NC4 burn. I wonder if they'll show downlink of the pods...
JimO - 10/6/2007 11:52 AMThey might be easy for mission ops people, but could you spell it out for sofa jockeys like me?
"Ti" -- you might be amused to learn that when I documented rendezvous crew procedures for the mission operations handbook back in the mid-1980s, people had already forgotten what "TI" stood for, and we had to make up a new meaning for it. "NC" and "NPC" and "NCC" -- those were easy. "Ti" was actually a puzzler, but we invented something that sounded credible.
JimO - 10/6/2007 4:52 PM
"Ti" -- you might be amused to learn that when I documented rendezvous crew procedures for the mission operations handbook back in the mid-1980s, people had already forgotten what "TI" stood for, and we had to make up a new meaning for it. "NC" and "NPC" and "NCC" -- those were easy. "Ti" was actually a puzzler, but we invented something that sounded credible.
Thomas ESA - 10/6/2007 5:00 PM
Did anyone at NASA become concerned about RPM? It must have seemed risky in simulations with the orbiter losing sight of its target?
kneecaps - 10/6/2007 12:03 PMActually, that's almost exactly how I recall someone expressing the concern...just can't recall who...QuoteThomas ESA - 10/6/2007 5:00 PM
Did anyone at NASA become concerned about RPM? It must have seemed risky in simulations with the orbiter losing sight of its target?
I don't see that it was of any concern for target sighting. The orbiter could spin about all day there (if it wasn't closing in on the station) and know EXACTLY where to turn to to resight the station.
Do Shuttles Dream - 10/6/2007 6:26 PMYes. Simple orbital mechanics. The higher the orbit, the slower you travel. This is how satellites in GEO appear fixed in the sky, they're in an orbit where the velocity relative to Earth is almost non-existant.
I would post this in Shuttle Q&A but it's happening now and others may want to know. Orbiter is whizzing around the world, faster than the ISS, so catching up. So are all these burns slowing down the approach speed in stages?
psloss - 10/6/2007 11:05 AMQuotekneecaps - 10/6/2007 12:03 PMActually, that's almost exactly how I recall someone expressing the concern...just can't recall who...QuoteThomas ESA - 10/6/2007 5:00 PM
Did anyone at NASA become concerned about RPM? It must have seemed risky in simulations with the orbiter losing sight of its target?
I don't see that it was of any concern for target sighting. The orbiter could spin about all day there (if it wasn't closing in on the station) and know EXACTLY where to turn to to resight the station.
ardy - 10/6/2007 1:33 PMHere's an old answer:
What's the "big loop"? STS to TDRS to ground to TDRS to ISS?
psloss - 10/6/2007 1:39 PMAttached an MP3 of that exchange.
Atlantis calling ISS on the big loop again...loud and clear.
Edit: sounded like a little good-natured teasing... :)
psloss - 10/6/2007 6:52 PMQuotepsloss - 10/6/2007 1:39 PMAttached an MP3 of that exchange.
Atlantis calling ISS on the big loop again...loud and clear.
Edit: sounded like a little good-natured teasing... :)
Chris Bergin - 10/6/2007 3:10 PM
Images arriving on the ground of the RPM already, according to PAO. Wrong.
NASA S&MA Decison For Focused Inspection:
RPM photos will be downlinked once we are docked to ISS. The OPO decision time for focused inspection will be determined at 8 PM CT tonight (FD3).
bsegal - 10/6/2007 8:13 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 10/6/2007 3:10 PM
Images arriving on the ground of the RPM already, according to PAO. Wrong.
NASA S&MA Decison For Focused Inspection:
RPM photos will be downlinked once we are docked to ISS. The OPO decision time for focused inspection will be determined at 8 PM CT tonight (FD3).
Specifically heard Suni call out before that the card with the 800 mm pix was already in their KFX and ready for download. Thought ISS MC replied they were taking it.
Chris Bergin - 10/6/2007 3:14 PMQuotebsegal - 10/6/2007 8:13 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 10/6/2007 3:10 PM
Images arriving on the ground of the RPM already, according to PAO. Wrong.
NASA S&MA Decison For Focused Inspection:
RPM photos will be downlinked once we are docked to ISS. The OPO decision time for focused inspection will be determined at 8 PM CT tonight (FD3).
Specifically heard Suni call out before that the card with the 800 mm pix was already in their KFX and ready for download. Thought ISS MC replied they were taking it.
They aren't going to ISS MC. They are downloaded to MER and S&EI etc.
Zachstar - 10/6/2007 9:26 PMI'm still getting 1200 kbps.
Getting a camera ready to go.
Hey anyone else lose the High Quality Yahoo NTV Stream? I can only get 500 now as opposed to 1200 a few mins ago.
DaveS - 10/6/2007 1:28 PMQuoteZachstar - 10/6/2007 9:26 PMI'm still getting 1200 kbps.
Getting a camera ready to go.
Hey anyone else lose the High Quality Yahoo NTV Stream? I can only get 500 now as opposed to 1200 a few mins ago.
ShuttleDiscovery - 10/6/2007 3:39 PM
How long until hard dock?
Chandonn - 10/6/2007 8:40 PMQuoteShuttleDiscovery - 10/6/2007 3:39 PM
How long until hard dock?
Depends... They'll be in free drift until all motion between the two vehicles dampens out.
jabe - 10/6/2007 2:59 PM
any chance of getting a video of the "flipping" of the orbietr? I missed it live :(
Zachstar - 10/6/2007 3:00 PMQuotejabe - 10/6/2007 2:59 PM
any chance of getting a video of the "flipping" of the orbietr? I missed it live :(
It will be on SpaceMultiMedia soon enough.
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/
Andrewwski - 10/6/2007 2:00 PM
For those who are wondering, here's the link to 1200 kbps.
http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1368163
kneecaps - 10/6/2007 4:05 PM
Anybody know what gets powered off in the 'Group B' Powerdown?
Zachstar - 10/6/2007 10:29 PMThe S1 radiator tray.
What is that!?
Zachstar - 10/6/2007 9:24 PM
Quick Downlink of RPM Images. Hopefully we will see a few at the meeting today and then more on L2 later.
kneecaps - 10/6/2007 3:40 PM
Clearances between the Shuttle RMS and the Destiny lab will be as close as 29 inches during the S3/S4 grapple procedure.
JJ.. - 10/6/2007 9:53 PM
I note that Miles O'Brien keeps referring to the torn blanket as "the heat shield." Is he correct or just generalising ?
And is NASA TV playing up at the moment ?
mdrapp - 10/6/2007 3:22 PM
Did ya just hear that happiness in Suni's voice! :D
emg - 10/6/2007 4:39 PMLooked to me like very highly flattened tshirts.
Anybody know what the flat, purple 'gift' given to the ISS crew is?
MKremer - 9/6/2007 10:42 PMQuoteemg - 10/6/2007 4:39 PMLooked to me like very highly flattened tshirts.
Anybody know what the flat, purple 'gift' given to the ISS crew is?
Gary - 10/6/2007 5:36 PMQuotemdrapp - 10/6/2007 10:30 PM
I wonder what is said in the safety briefing. It seems to be rather short and informal and they all stay in one room. I'm sure the crew has studied safety procedures on the ground....so I wonder what is communicated up there.
I was wondering that as well.
Also was amused to hear the 'troubleshooting' procedure for a dodgy camera is a reboot!
JJ.. - 9/6/2007 11:04 PMQuoteemg - 10/6/2007 10:56 AM
switch to windows media - looks like a problem with realplayer feed.
the "channel 2" screen is the same,so i didn't think it was the player feed,
il try windows,
but a fantastic series of grabs from everyone else :)
Chris Bergin - 10/6/2007 12:09 AM Just seen the ISS and Atlantis go over my house. Stunning, truely stunning. Never seen that before. Clear night and racing across the sky.
Lucky man! I've been trying to see them and every day the sky was cloudy. I've even got my telescope prepared, just in case I can manage to track them :)
On other news, Clay's and Suni's seatliners have been transferred.
ardy - 10/6/2007 11:15 PM
Can anybody point me to information about the orange displays I see on each end of the desks in Huston?
kneecaps - 11/6/2007 12:22 AMDVIS(Digital Voice Intercommunications System).Quoteardy - 10/6/2007 11:15 PM
Can anybody point me to information about the orange displays I see on each end of the desks in Huston?
they are called interphones, they are the same sort as used in modern air traffic control facilities, however I cannot remember the proper name (VSCS Interphones or something). Basically they are touchscreens used to select which loops you listen and transmit on.
gordo - 10/6/2007 6:58 PM
calm down on the grabs from a media conference please.
MySDCUserID - 10/6/2007 8:54 PMFWIW, NASA usually puts up the status briefing "show and tell" slides:Quotegordo - 10/6/2007 6:58 PM
calm down on the grabs from a media conference please.
Thank you for these. Having missed the conference, I was glad to see these screen shots.
psloss - 10/6/2007 8:57 PMQuoteMySDCUserID - 10/6/2007 8:54 PMFWIW, NASA usually puts up the status briefing "show and tell" slides:Quotegordo - 10/6/2007 6:58 PM
calm down on the grabs from a media conference please.
Thank you for these. Having missed the conference, I was glad to see these screen shots.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/sts117/news/msb_061007.html
haywoodfloyd - 11/6/2007 3:03 AM
Thank you but also for those of us who do not have high-speed Internet a recap of the finer points would be appreciated.
Some of us live in the boonies.
Thanks.
haywoodfloyd - 10/6/2007 10:03 PM
Thank you but also for those of us who do not have high-speed Internet a recap of the finer points would be appreciated.
Some of us live in the boonies.
Thanks.
Lee Jay - 10/6/2007 9:16 PM
I hope they have the time to repair it, and that they choose to do so whether it needs it or not. If for no other reason, I'd like them to be able to test how these materials and repairs perform under real, flight conditions.
Lee Jay - 10/6/2007 10:16 PM
I hope they have the time to repair it, and that they choose to do so whether it needs it or not. If for no other reason, I'd like them to be able to test how these materials and repairs perform under real, flight conditions.
rdale - 10/6/2007 8:48 PMQuoteLee Jay - 10/6/2007 10:16 PM
I hope they have the time to repair it, and that they choose to do so whether it needs it or not. If for no other reason, I'd like them to be able to test how these materials and repairs perform under real, flight conditions.
No reason to send someone out to do something risky "just because" -- instead they should spend their time on something productive (like get-ahead tasks.)
MKremer - 10/6/2007 10:42 PMQuoteLee Jay - 10/6/2007 9:16 PM
I hope they have the time to repair it, and that they choose to do so whether it needs it or not. If for no other reason, I'd like them to be able to test how these materials and repairs perform under real, flight conditions.
Push it back in and slap some 'space tape' over it. ;)
(duct tape fixes almost everything) :laugh:
c.steven - 10/6/2007 10:05 PM
Seeing all of the add-on electronics in the cabin makes you wonder how the early missions ever succeeded! Just think, no digital cameras, mini monitors, laptops to speak of, or any of those things. Just imagine what kind of vehicle could be designed today, with networks, wireless routers, etc. all built in. I guess that's the downfall of flying a 1970's designed vehicle in the 21st century! Speaking of the digital cameas, does JSC even process old fashioned film after missions any more?
Lee Jay - 10/6/2007 9:49 PMAs they said this evening, any aerodynamic loading or buffeting in that area comes well after max heating, so even losing the whole blanket at that point won't matter.
I love my 200mph tape, and use it for all sorts of things. Trouble is, the Shuttle is just a touch faster than 200mph.
rdale - 10/6/2007 8:48 PM
No reason to send someone out to do something risky "just because" -- instead they should spend their time on something productive (like get-ahead tasks.)
c.steven - 10/6/2007 9:05 PM
Seeing all of the add-on electronics in the cabin makes you wonder how the early missions ever succeeded! Just think, no digital cameras, mini monitors, laptops to speak of, or any of those things.
MySDCUserID - 10/6/2007 8:54 PMQuotegordo - 10/6/2007 6:58 PM
calm down on the grabs from a media conference please.
Thank you for these. Having missed the conference, I was glad to see these screen shots.
Chris Bergin - 10/6/2007 12:14 PM
Ku Band Angle Tracking Problem being worked. Temp drop in tracking when being switched from Auto to GPC mode.
kneecaps - 10/6/2007 11:11 AM
RENDEZVOUS PRPLT PAD just copied up to Atlantis. Information of note. No Lo Z permitted when L or R RCS QTY < 55 or FRCS QTY < 17
Do Shuttles Dream - 10/6/2007 11:26 AM
I would post this in Shuttle Q&A but it's happening now and others may want to know. Orbiter is whizzing around the world, faster than the ISS, so catching up. So are all these burns slowing down the approach speed in stages?
Jorge - 11/6/2007 4:57 AMQuoteChris Bergin - 10/6/2007 12:14 PM
Ku Band Angle Tracking Problem being worked. Temp drop in tracking when being switched from Auto to GPC mode.
Catching up at the end of a long day...
This was the expected behavior of the knob. The KU SELECT rotary knob has four positions; GPC, GPC DESIG, AUTO TRACK, and MAN SLEW. GPC and AUTO TRACK support closed-loop angle tracking while GPC DESIG and MAN SLEW do not. When rotating the knob from AUTO TRACK to GPC or vice versa, a momentary loss of track may sometimes occur while the switch is moving through the GPC DESIG position, depending on how fast the crewmember rotates the knob.
kneecaps - 10/6/2007 11:03 AMQuoteThomas ESA - 10/6/2007 5:00 PM
Did anyone at NASA become concerned about RPM? It must have seemed risky in simulations with the orbiter losing sight of its target?
I don't see that it was of any concern for target sighting. The orbiter could spin about all day there (if it wasn't closing in on the station) and know EXACTLY where to turn to to resight the station.
psloss - 10/6/2007 11:02 AMQuoteJimO - 10/6/2007 11:52 AMThey might be easy for mission ops people, but could you spell it out for sofa jockeys like me?
"Ti" -- you might be amused to learn that when I documented rendezvous crew procedures for the mission operations handbook back in the mid-1980s, people had already forgotten what "TI" stood for, and we had to make up a new meaning for it. "NC" and "NPC" and "NCC" -- those were easy. "Ti" was actually a puzzler, but we invented something that sounded credible.
Orbiter Obvious - 10/6/2007 11:13 PM
I'll third that. Thanks for the coverage. 16,500 views half a Sunday? Who said no interest in Shuttle? :)
Chris Bergin - 10/6/2007 11:01 PMQuoteJorge - 11/6/2007 4:57 AMQuoteChris Bergin - 10/6/2007 12:14 PM
Ku Band Angle Tracking Problem being worked. Temp drop in tracking when being switched from Auto to GPC mode.
Catching up at the end of a long day...
This was the expected behavior of the knob. The KU SELECT rotary knob has four positions; GPC, GPC DESIG, AUTO TRACK, and MAN SLEW. GPC and AUTO TRACK support closed-loop angle tracking while GPC DESIG and MAN SLEW do not. When rotating the knob from AUTO TRACK to GPC or vice versa, a momentary loss of track may sometimes occur while the switch is moving through the GPC DESIG position, depending on how fast the crewmember rotates the knob.
Thanks Jorge. This is priceless for the learning curve and I - as I'm sure we all do - appreciate you spending time to give such clarifications at the end of a long day. Heck, I'm shattered and I'm only reporting the mission, so I don't know how you guys do it!
Jorge - 11/6/2007 12:34 AMThanks as always, Jorge.
The following are ground targeted burns. In all cases, the "N" used to be a placeholder for an orbit count (e.g. "2H" would be a height-adjust burn on orbit 2, etc), but that nomenclature is no longer used and the "N" now literally stands for "Nothing". :)
(snip)