Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/09/2007 12:23 pm
FD02 – OBSS and RNDZ Prep
• RNDZ Burns - NC-2 and NC-3 rendezvous burns are planned to allow adequate time for
RMS surveys using OBSS. NPC is not scheduled since it will likely be combined with one of
the other two burns this day.
• Maneuvers - Prior to crew sleep, the CDR will future load the maneuver for the FD03 simo
dump. The maneuver starts after crew wakeup on FD03.
• OBSS Surveys - Starboard wing, nose cap, and port wing.
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5127
Post by: Zachstar on 06/09/2007 12:34 pm
Here is to a GREAT day of inspections!
Best of Luck!
Post by: SimonShuttle on 06/09/2007 12:59 pm
On the OMS Pod, what have we seen historically like this before?
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Fred Clausen - 9/6/2007 9:06 AMRev A of the TV schedule is out and wake up is on there 30 minutes later...I thought I heard PAO talking about 9:08 Central...I'm sure we'll get another status on that after the FD1 highlights replay concludes.
Crew wakeup scheduled for 0908 eastern.
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For the ongoing with the OMS damage (small version I know) this is not initially thought to be the cause (Tyvek cover).
Post by: jmjawors on 06/09/2007 02:11 pm
Not into country music. Anyone know what this song is?
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/09/2007 02:11 pm
Song for CJ..wife and kids selection on the song.
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SimonShuttle - 9/6/2007 5:59 AM
On the OMS Pod, what have we seen historically like this before?
STS-1 wasn't that far off....
![]("http://a52.g.akamaitech.net/f/52/827/1d/www.space.com/images/060412_sts1_tileloss_02.jpg")
image via space.com
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bsegal - 9/6/2007 3:51 PM
Does anyone have the FD2 execute package?
I bet you want it for the FD02 detailed timelines....they only updated FD01 in the 'FINAL' timeline :)
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Ford Mustang - 9/6/2007 9:51 AMTrue, and we can guess and speculate all we want, but let's also see what NASA says (since they can do all the airflow/heating simulations as well as physical testing). (and give them a few days to do it)
Would this pose an immediate threat to the landing of this crew? I mean, STS-1 had more wrong with her, and she landed fine.
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bsegal - 9/6/2007 10:51 AM
Does anyone have the FD2 execute package?
Look halfway down this page. It's kinda hard to read, it's really small.. But here.
http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/currentglance.html#count
Post by: dsmillman on 06/09/2007 03:09 pm
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/sts117/news/execute_packages.html
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kneecaps - 9/6/2007 10:58 AMQuotebsegal - 9/6/2007 3:51 PM
Does anyone have the FD2 execute package?
I bet you want it for the FD02 detailed timelines....they only updated FD01 in the 'FINAL' timeline :)
Here's what I was looking for. Might be of interest to the rest of you.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/sts117/news/execute_packages.html
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Do Shuttles Dream - 9/6/2007 11:13 AM
So today is mainly inspections? It's not the full set of inspections is it? There's the flip tomorrow?
Right. They'll inspect the RCC panels, nosecap, etc. with the OBSS. Tomorrow is the RPM (rotational pitch maneuver) beneath the station for photography.
Post by: kneecaps on 06/09/2007 04:37 pm
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/09/2007 04:38 pm
Here's some screenshots of one presentation as it's related to what we've ran on the OMS Pod blanket.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/09/2007 04:42 pm
Good burn, no trim required.
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/09/2007 04:42 pm
Next burn: 8 and a half hours away, NC3 burn.
After that: On FD3, there will be an NC4 burn.
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Do Shuttles Dream - 9/6/2007 11:13 AM
So today is mainly inspections? It's not the full set of inspections is it? There's the flip tomorrow?
I believe it's a full inspection.
They're just getting better at it, tweaking the procedures and multi-tasking.
As an example, I read an account this morning that describes taking shots with the Hi-Res camera on the OBSS at the same time as the scan is taking place.
They've been done separately up till now.
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JMS - 9/6/2007 6:21 PMQuoteDo Shuttles Dream - 9/6/2007 11:13 AM
So today is mainly inspections? It's not the full set of inspections is it? There's the flip tomorrow?
I believe it's a full inspection.
They're just getting better at it, tweaking the procedures and multi-tasking.
As an example, I read an account this morning that describes taking shots with the Hi-Res camera on the OBSS at the same time as the scan is taking place.
They've been done separately up till now.
It's the full OBSS check. The RPM tomorrow is another element, based on photography.
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90 minute wing surveys, 50 minute nosecap survey.
Post by: Ankle-bone12 on 06/09/2007 06:17 pm
Never mind I just realized that was the earth.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/09/2007 06:19 pm
Battery charge in progress (EVA suits checkout).
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kneecaps - 9/6/2007 8:47 PMLaser Camera Control? Just a guess, but it's fitting since all cameras on the OBSS(- the ITVC) is laser cameras.
Seems the problem is with the 'LCC' software on the PGSC...but i'm not sure what it is.
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Ford Mustang - 9/6/2007 9:03 PMThis due to that the KU is not available.
OBSS is in motion, still using the SSV Image Capture, no video, just pictures.
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DaveS - 9/6/2007 8:05 PMQuoteFord Mustang - 9/6/2007 9:03 PMThis due to that the KU is not available.
OBSS is in motion, still using the SSV Image Capture, no video, just pictures.
Looks to be due to extra limits to protect RMS...as the flightplan shows we should have coverage.
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STSFan10 - 9/6/2007 9:58 PMNot likely unless there's a huge crack on the panels.
Will we be able to spot anything from these images? This is my first mission here :)
Post by: An0NyM0uS on 06/09/2007 08:02 pm
video is getting clear
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STSFan10 - 9/6/2007 8:58 PM
Will we be able to spot anything from these images? This is my first mission here :)
Dare I mention the imfamous bird poo...no, I daren't ;) You can see details here, but the images that are being taken are super, super hi resolution and you're not seeing it here with the scan. You'd only get to see a big hole via these images, and you really don't want to see that.
I'll find you an example from L2 from 116.
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An0NyM0uS - 9/6/2007 10:02 PMThat is from the ITVC(Intensified TeleVision Camera). The flashing image is from the LDRI(Laser Dynamic Range Imager).
backside
video is getting clear
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MarkD - 9/6/2007 10:16 PMYes.
I saw earlier an arrow on one of the tiles. Is that supposed to be there?
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MarkD - 9/6/2007 3:16 PM
I saw earlier an arrow on one of the tiles. Is that supposed to be there?
Yes, you'll see many things like this.
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Satori - 9/6/2007 5:59 PM
Does anyone has the launch time in the format 2338:04.XXX? Thanks!
23:38:03.976 UTC
:)
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/09/2007 09:22 pm
WLE (Wing Leading Edge) Sensors picked up six hits during ascent. All small and no concern (MMT not worried at all).
One screenshot from one of the presentations going on L2 now:
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OV-106 - 9/6/2007 4:46 PM
My rant: Tyvek covers are always the suspect cause for all damage. Even though all covers separated in spec, with some it is guilty until proven inocent. While I understand, since this is the only real controlled debris on the entire ship and 14 covers rain down over the entire vehicle, it can be annoying. With the speeds and impact energy we are talking about the covers could never cause this type damage when they separate as designed.
Who other than NASA suspected the Tyvek covers?
"Analysis by launch team looking at other camera views show that the tyvek cover did NOT strike the OMS pod. Tyvek cover released 11.2 seconds after launch. Cover passes near port OMS pod but does not contact it."
It was NASA themselves who made the reference to the covers and the OMS Pod Blanket damage.
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Ford Mustang - 9/6/2007 11:22 PM
Now under a period of LOS, not sure how long.
Showing it here:
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I'm thinking what the!? At this point :)
They are either watching it..or somebody with a twisted sense of humour is transmitting it up! :)
Post by: Peter NASA on 06/09/2007 10:37 pm
"100, ok. 200, ok. 300, err disaster for space station."
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kneecaps - 9/6/2007 3:40 PM
I just find the thought of "Apollo 13" orbeing watched on a space mission highly amusing!
Yea but it will remind the crew that no matter what the guys on the ground won't give up on them.
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kneecaps - 9/6/2007 5:30 PM
Did we have the meanings of the bars somewhere?
The key is over on the left edge of the page (which you snipped).
The thick bar on top is orbital night. The staggered sets of three bars below are comm coverage for TDRS W, E, and Z, respectively.
The only part not in the key is what the black and white sub-bars mean - I think it's S-band on top, Ku-band on bottom.
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Ford Mustang - 10/6/2007 12:50 AMI don't see any missing tiles.
Do I see missing tiles, or is that normal?
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The key is over on the left edge of the page (which you snipped).
The thick bar on top is orbital night. The staggered sets of three bars below are comm coverage for TDRS W, E, and Z, respectively.
The only part not in the key is what the black and white sub-bars mean - I think it's S-band on top, Ku-band on bottom.
My bad, I should have been specific about what I meant...I was seeking clarification on only the top and bottom comm coverage bars...so we think that top black bars are S-band and lower (white) are Ku-coverage?
Great.
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Chris Bergin - 10/6/2007 12:52 AMI agree with that.
Looks like a shadow.
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Ford Mustang - 10/6/2007 12:59 AMThe tiles are there, they just have a different shading that the rest. I can see the water proofing injection holes on both of them.
Better shot, not sure if it is a missing tile or shadow. Just posting for different view.
You can see them in this photo: http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/images//large/07pd0284.jpg
They're just below the FRCS servicing panel.
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Post by: Mark Dave on 06/09/2007 11:50 pm
When will the SRB footage be shown?
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MarkD - 10/6/2007 1:50 AMWhen R/V Liberty Star and R/V Freedom Star returns with the SRBs, which should be sometime on Monday afternoon. Maybe around Tuesday/Wednesday.
When will the SRB footage be shown?
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DaveS - 9/6/2007 7:56 PMAt least according to John Shannon in the status briefing, they were going to be back at Port Canaveral tomorrow (Sunday).QuoteMarkD - 10/6/2007 1:50 AMWhen R/V Liberty Star and R/V Freedom Star returns with the SRBs, which should be sometime on Monday afternoon. Maybe around Tuesday/Wednesday.
When will the SRB footage be shown?
John Shannon said he hoped to see the video in the Monday MMT, but when the public will see the playbacks may depend on timing and events of the day(s).
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rcaron - 9/6/2007 8:02 PMThat would be a new speed record; I don't think we've seen excerpts of the recorded video the same day the boosters got back into port.
I could have sworn the briefing said the SRBs would be in tomorrow afternoon, 2 & 4PM EDT. I'd expect to see a little glimpse of it at tomorrow's briefing (they did that on the last couple missions), and the whole videos after the MMT has reviewed it Monday.
If the MMT sees it on Monday, then maybe John Shannon will bring an excerpt to the briefing...
Post by: Zachstar on 06/10/2007 12:08 am
Images
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Edit:
Image 1: Very Close View of blanket damage.
Image 2: Same Angle but with greater exposure by the camera on the OBSS
Image 3: Imaging System (Intensivied TV and Laser) Image of the damage.
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psloss - 10/6/2007 2:13 AMBack to the pod. Imagery team wants more data.
All done...now going to stow the boom and get ready for the burn in 56 minutes.
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Image 2: Berthing Ops
Image 3: Berthing Complete
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Ignition at 01/01:31:45.2 MET (I think this works out to about 01:09:49 GMT)
Delta-V: 143.8 fps
Duration: 93 seconds
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maybe I misheard.. Lagged here on the video anyway
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Chandonn - 9/6/2007 9:02 PMThey haven't maneuvered to burn attitude yet (in about one minute).
On NASA TV, it was just stated "Flight Dynamics Officer reports the burn has started"
Post by: Zachstar on 06/10/2007 01:06 am
Question: Does anyone know how the camera modes work? I guess this is a very low light B&W mode that trips on when there is little light or low KU bandwith?
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EDIT: I was wrong, the puff was from the OMS, I thought I was looking forward.
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ZeeNL - 9/6/2007 9:14 PMThe view is from an aft-looking camera...that was the flash from the OMS...
Burn started with a little jolt and a noticeable red coloured puff from the RCS system in the nose.
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psloss - 10/6/2007 3:15 AMQuoteZeeNL - 9/6/2007 9:14 PMThe view is from an aft-looking camera...that was the flash from the OMS...
Burn started with a little jolt and a noticeable red coloured puff from the RCS system in the nose.
Hmm, thought I heard they said it was an aft-located camera. :) But can be easily settled. At what side of the orbiter is the OBSS?
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ZeeNL - 9/6/2007 9:18 PMYou're looking at the OBSS in its cradle, with the arm grappled to it from the top of the screen.
Hmm, thought I heard they said it was an aft-located camera. :) But can be easily settled. At what side of the orbiter is the OBSS?
(The OBSS cradle is on the starboard sill of the payload bay.)
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psloss - 10/6/2007 3:20 AMQuoteZeeNL - 9/6/2007 9:18 PMYou're looking at the OBSS in its cradle, with the arm grappled to it from the top of the screen.
Hmm, thought I heard they said it was an aft-located camera. :) But can be easily settled. At what side of the orbiter is the OBSS?
(The OBSS cradle is on the starboard sill of the payload bay.)
Yeps, you were right of course. I've found a picture on the net that explains it all. The RMS is on the left side on the orbiter and the OBSS on the right with both of their cradles on the forward side of the orbiter.
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http://www.pbase.com/rod_ostoski/sts117
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Trekkie07 - 9/6/2007 8:41 PM
Does anyone know where hi-res pictures of yesterday's launch are available online? I checked the NASA website and they don't have very many at all. Sorry in advance if this is the wrong place to post this but I'm fairly new to the site and don't know where were this would be appropriate. Thanks.
Here you go!
http://mediaarchive.ksc.nasa.gov/search.cfm?cat=71
L for Large or Super High Res
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MarkD - 9/6/2007 10:17 PM
What caused the AFRSI damage?
That's a good question which has been asked a lot today. During launch, one of the cameras caught a Tyvek cover passing near the OMS pod, but it is not believed to have impacted the orbiter. I'm guessing the blanket was a bit loose to begin with and didn't weather the aerodynamic stresses.
Quote from Space.com: "The current hypothesis is that heat transferred from nearby thermal protection tiles during the shuttle's climb into space caused a piece of the blanket to become unstitched."
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/070609_sts117_atlantis_status.html
And quote from the article on this site: "Latest reports from sources on Saturday speak of a Tyvek cover which was seen to pass by the OMS Pod in question. However, NASA managers believe the cover didn't make contact on first views in hi resolution images - acquired by L2 - of all debris events during ascent.
'Analysis by launch team looking at other camera views show that the tyvek cover did NOT strike the OMS pod,' noted NASA information, following some notes that this was the cause of the damage.
"Tyvek cover released 11.2 seconds after launch. Cover passes near port OMS pod but does not contact it."
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5127
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What caused the AFRSI damage?
That's a good question which has been asked a lot today. During launch, one of the cameras caught a Tyvec cover passing near the OMS pod, but it is not believed to have impacted the orbiter. I'm guessing either it came closer, or the blanket was a bit loose to begin with.
It did not (not believed, it simply didn't) hit the orbiter. I've got an article on site about this.
It's likely to have simply come loose due to aeroloads.
I would also point out a post on this very thread:
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My rant: Tyvek covers are always the suspect cause for all damage. Even though all covers separated in spec, with some it is guilty until proven inocent. While I understand, since this is the only real controlled debris on the entire ship and 14 covers rain down over the entire vehicle, it can be annoying. With the speeds and impact energy we are talking about the covers could never cause this type damage when they separate as designed.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/10/2007 02:55 am
I will post photos in a single post from it for archival. But John44 will you be able to capture the video for posting on Space Multimedia?
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rdale - 9/6/2007 10:50 PM
Any idea where ths space.com hypothesis came from? Doesn't seem to make sense that the low heat of ascent would break down the heat-resistant blanket stitches... As a non-engineer, and the "before" picture from the press conference today, I'd say wind got under there.
I've cited both quotes above. Naturally, Chris' article is more thorough on the subject. Space.com doesn't have a reference for the statement.
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Lee Jay - 9/6/2007 10:58 PM
Is there any informed speculation as to what they could do about it if doing something about it were deemed necessary after analysis?
Covered in the press conference tonight... Tuck it in, put a plate over it, use some of the tile repair materials, pin it -- plenty of options if needed.
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Lee Jay - 9/6/2007 10:58 PM
Is there any informed speculation as to what they could do about it if doing something about it were deemed necessary after analysis? Is simply tucking it back in worth anything? Could some of the various chemicals designed for patching a damaged component of the TPS be used to stick it back down?
I'm wondering if some of the tile repair techniques would work here. would any adhesive substance onboard work under re-entry loads? But the blankets are designed for low-temperature areas of the orbiter. If there is any damage during entry, it will most likely be a maintenance issue.
As for the flight day highlights: I'm hoping to see them on Space Multimedia. There are a few vids I would have liked from FD-01 (like the suit-up. Seems NASA's website doesn't allow downloads of vid for this).
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rdale - 9/6/2007 10:50 PM
Any idea where ths space.com hypothesis came from? Doesn't seem to make sense that the low heat of ascent would break down the heat-resistant blanket stitches... As a non-engineer, and the "before" picture from the press conference today, I'd say wind got under there.
I'm not even aware of whatever hypothesis space.com have russled up. We work off documented information from MMT, MER and OPO during missions. As soon as a documented reason for this minor damage is noted we'll report it, on the site (nothing is kept a big secret on L2, we just use that for where we place the documentation)
We have 15 documents along these lines from FD2 on L2, and this is very much a work in process evaluation.
Bill Harwood (in my opinion) had the best point from the briefing, noting this is simply not a biggy because of flight history. This is getting the main bulk of reporting because it was the only new thing to report on last night, post ascent.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/10/2007 03:12 am
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bsegal - 10/6/2007 3:21 AM
Anyone know when the MMT briefing from today will be replayed, or if there's a link to it?
I'm not sure of repeat times, but I know John 44 will have recorded it, and should be linked soon. Check the video thread on this 117 section, he posts new updates there :)
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/10/2007 03:14 am
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rdale - 9/6/2007 9:03 PMQuoteLee Jay - 9/6/2007 10:58 PM
Is there any informed speculation as to what they could do about it if doing something about it were deemed necessary after analysis?
Covered in the press conference tonight... Tuck it in, put a plate over it, use some of the tile repair materials, pin it -- plenty of options if needed.
Thank you. I missed the conference due to family business and it doesn't seem to be up on space-multimedia yet. I appreciate you providing the information I missed.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/10/2007 03:24 am
Hmm, they decided not to cite that hypothesis? It's certainly not on any presentation today (MER or MMT - and they are the gospel during missions)
SE&I are working the theory of some sort of debris hit a per main presentation on this. Others are evaluating/not given any theories at this stage (likely because they'd want to actually find the cause before stating).
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Edit: These images were taken from a live NASA TV Snapshot page. At a result of some ROTTEN luck it usually took a snapshot at the wrong time. (Such as when a crewmember was blocking the camera or it was pointed wrong)
I got these images but it is MUCH better watching the video. I hope John44 captured some and I hope yall will watch the highlights after the crew rests.
I'm going to work on a method of getting VLC images down to a good size for posting on here so I don't have to rely on that snapshot feed. My goal is for high quality archival images at any time under 30kb.
FD2 Crew Highlights Images.
Post by: ZeeNL on 06/10/2007 03:49 am
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--Michael
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AstroRJY - 9/6/2007 11:06 PM
I think the daily FD highlights are assembled and edited on the ground by the NASA TV people at JSC.
Thats NASA FD highlights. This Crew Flight day highlights seem to be a new feature where they toss a camera around and then talk about it as its being downlinked.
Alot better than STS-121 where you basicly saw no views inside the Orbiter outside of press conferences.
114 managed to have KU during docking so we were able to watch the shake of docking from a camera on one of the seats live! I hope they do that again.
Post by: Ankle-bone12 on 06/10/2007 04:48 am
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Zachstar - 9/6/2007 11:10 PMQuoteAstroRJY - 9/6/2007 11:06 PM
I think the daily FD highlights are assembled and edited on the ground by the NASA TV people at JSC.
Thats NASA FD highlights. This Crew Flight day highlights seem to be a new feature where they toss a camera around and then talk about it as its being downlinked.
Alot better than STS-121 where you basicly saw no views inside the Orbiter outside of press conferences.
114 managed to have KU during docking so we were able to watch the shake of docking from a camera on one of the seats live! I hope they do that again.
Im confused. So is the replay they show in an hour the NTV FDhighlights or the Crew FDhighlights?
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Ankle-bone12 - 9/6/2007 11:48 PMQuoteZachstar - 9/6/2007 11:10 PMQuoteAstroRJY - 9/6/2007 11:06 PM
I think the daily FD highlights are assembled and edited on the ground by the NASA TV people at JSC.
Thats NASA FD highlights. This Crew Flight day highlights seem to be a new feature where they toss a camera around and then talk about it as its being downlinked.
Alot better than STS-121 where you basicly saw no views inside the Orbiter outside of press conferences.
114 managed to have KU during docking so we were able to watch the shake of docking from a camera on one of the seats live! I hope they do that again.
Im confused. So is the replay they show in an hour the NTV FDhighlights or the Crew FDhighlights?
They will mix in the FD Crew highlights into the rest of the stuff they gained today to make the NASA TV FD Highlights.
Post by: Ankle-bone12 on 06/10/2007 04:59 am
Post by: Chandonn on 06/10/2007 05:04 am
CNN.com: "Shuttle docking a 'go' despite gap in heat blanket" That "despite" makes it sound like a bad decision on NASA's part. Seems the media really get going if there's a disaster in the works, or if they can make you THINK there's one in the works...
Wasn't it STS-116 when some news service was reporting a huge amount of damage to the "station's heat shield"?
Post by: rcaron on 06/10/2007 05:35 am
That's why we are all here, and not watching the news networks.
I will admit though, my family out of state called me after what they saw on CNN to "get it from the source." I guess the 15 seconds they spent on it really scared them.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/10/2007 05:44 am
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5128
Remember folks there's different types of media, not all bad.
Post by: Austin on 06/10/2007 06:08 am
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AstroRJY - 9/6/2007 8:36 PM
Some idiot journalist on The Drudge Report has a big headline calling the protruding blanket a "gash" in the shuttle. Just as yesterday CNN was getting apoplectic half an hour before launch about the flight being scrubbed for TAL weather.
The media loves being alarmist. They think that sensationalism will help their ratings. Completely irresponsible. And CNN used to be respectable. Now they're getting sloppy in their attempt to catch FOX News in their ratings.
At least there's still BBC.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/10/2007 06:28 am
You know if they are just going to do this crap. I'd rather have them running after Paris.
I guess when she flies SS2 they will have to have press conferences and alarms when a piece of paint falls off.
Post by: Zachstar on 06/10/2007 06:32 am
As the crew sleeps Atlantis sails to the station!
Post by: Space101 on 06/10/2007 06:48 am
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Austin - 10/6/2007 1:08 AM
The media loves being alarmist. They think that sensationalism will help their ratings. Completely irresponsible. And CNN used to be respectable. Now they're getting sloppy in their attempt to catch FOX News in their ratings.
At least there's still BBC.
BBC??? You're having a laugh mate. They're a complete joke now-a-days.
Besides, they were talking about Shuttle coverage for this mission, so you could have said "At least there's NASASpaceflight.com"
Post by: Zachstar on 06/10/2007 07:49 am
Image 1: Front View
Image 2: Mid View. SARG clearly visible along with the radiator.
Image 3: Rear Payload bay. With one of the canisters.
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Chris Bergin - 9/6/2007 10:11 AM
Yeeee haawww ;) "I like Big Boy's Toys"
Song for CJ..wife and kids selection on the song.
Just to get this into the thread for anybody searching..
Wakeup Calls are archived here...
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/audio/shuttle/sts-117/html/ndxpage1.html
Post by: James Lowe1 on 06/18/2007 05:14 pm