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Title: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: Chris Bergin on 04/18/2007 03:38 am
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5079
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: svenge on 04/18/2007 06:43 am
What do you think the odds are of this proposal actually taking place and how (if at all) would that affect future missions past 118?  

P.S.  On a somewhat selfish note, if this happens I'll have to shell out $10 for new patches since I've already got the ones for STS-117 and STS-118...  :laugh:
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 04/18/2007 06:52 am
I remeber a few post in this forum before about this change, the point being that it would be too heavy for Clayton to go up aswell with STS-117. Would it be possible to bring Suni down with 117, and then have a crew of 2 for two months until Clay comes come on 118? :)
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: Ben E on 04/18/2007 07:55 am
I can't see the Americans finding it acceptable to have no US occupant on the ISS.
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: shuttlefan on 04/18/2007 02:56 pm
If Clayton Anderson were added to STS-117, would this be the latest-ever that a crewmember has been added to a shuttle mission? I think so, but just trying to confirm. ;)
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: ETEE on 04/18/2007 03:09 pm
Wayne Hale was only saying the other day in his presser that they would only consider doing this if either Sunni wanted to come home or they foresaw a further delay to the August launch.  My betting is on the latter.
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: shuttlefan on 04/18/2007 04:43 pm
You'd think that they'd have to make a decision on this very soon as STS-117 is scheduled to be launched in just 1.5 months.
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: rdale on 04/18/2007 09:01 pm
I'd have to believe that whatever changes might be needed won't take more than 90 days...
Title: RE: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: Chris Bergin on 04/26/2007 07:14 pm
This has now been made official by NASA following today's meeting to confirm the rotation for 117.
Title: RE: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 04/26/2007 07:21 pm
Does this mean the name 'Anderson' will have to get added to the Mission patch? ;)
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: jacqmans on 04/26/2007 07:26 pm
NASA release here:
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2007/apr/HQ_07093_Williams_Return.html

(I posted it to the live news feed but for some reason it was removed, do not understand why...)
Title: RE: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: jacqmans on 04/26/2007 07:28 pm
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ShuttleDiscovery - 26/4/2007  9:21 PM

Does this mean the name 'Anderson' will have to get added to the Mission patch? ;)

That is possible, but we have to wait and see, also Anderson's name will have to be removed from the STS-118 patch, so that one is going to change...
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: nathan.moeller on 04/26/2007 07:28 pm
I bet Anderson isn't complaining ;)  An early launch and later return.  He's going to get about four months instead of 2.5-3.
Title: RE: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 04/26/2007 07:39 pm
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jacqmans - 26/4/2007  8:28 PM

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ShuttleDiscovery - 26/4/2007  9:21 PM

Does this mean the name 'Anderson' will have to get added to the Mission patch? ;)

That is possible, but we have to wait and see, also Anderson's name will have to be removed from the STS-118 patch, so that one is going to change...

Oh yeah, forgot about the 118 one aswell. I bet loads of people are going to be disappointed if they've already bought them  ;)
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 04/26/2007 07:41 pm
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nathan.moeller - 26/4/2007  8:28 PM

I bet Anderson isn't complaining ;)  An early launch and later return.  He's going to get about four months instead of 2.5-3.

I suppose, but then again he's being split up from the 118 crew who has trained with for a long time and made really good friends with... :o
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: Chris Bergin on 04/26/2007 08:00 pm
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jacqmans - 26/4/2007  8:26 PM

(I posted it to the live news feed but for some reason it was removed, do not understand why...)

Obviously because it was a duplicate thread.
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: STS-500Cmdr on 04/26/2007 08:56 pm
Whats this do for weight considerations, etc for Atlantis with the 18 ton truss and now a 7th crewmember on the ride up.  This isn't going to be like flying a freight train??
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: psloss on 04/26/2007 09:28 pm
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STS-500Cmdr - 26/4/2007  4:56 PM

Whats this do for weight considerations, etc for Atlantis with the 18 ton truss and now a 7th crewmember on the ride up.  This isn't going to be like flying a freight train??
It's been noted in the on-going thread on the rollback and repairs; a recent post:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=6938&mid=132214#M132214

Edit: I can't find the other post I was thinking of, but there is documentation on L2...I believe the gist of it being that middeck experiments will be off-loaded.
Title: RE: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: TJL on 04/26/2007 09:56 pm
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jacqmans - 26/4/2007  3:28 PM

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ShuttleDiscovery - 26/4/2007  9:21 PM

Does this mean the name 'Anderson' will have to get added to the Mission patch? ;)

That is possible, but we have to wait and see, also Anderson's name will have to be removed from the STS-118 patch, so that one is going to change...

Guess we'll be seeing two new (or modified) flight crew photos as well.
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: Lee Jay on 04/26/2007 10:18 pm
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psloss - 26/4/2007  3:28 PM

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STS-500Cmdr - 26/4/2007  4:56 PM

Whats this do for weight considerations, etc for Atlantis with the 18 ton truss and now a 7th crewmember on the ride up.  This isn't going to be like flying a freight train??
It's been noted in the on-going thread on the rollback and repairs; a recent post:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=6938&mid=132214#M132214

Edit: I can't find the other post I was thinking of, but there is documentation on L2...I believe the gist of it being that middeck experiments will be off-loaded.

I think you can't find it because it's in the thread that Chris deleted.

I asked who wasn't going to get to go (remembering that this flight is very performance-limited), and Jorge answered "some middledeck payloads".  ;-)

Lee Jay
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: tmckinley on 04/27/2007 02:13 am
Tonight on ABC, Gibson made this change sound as if something is terribly wrong with Suni, and made it seem that this was some great alteration in order to go and save her from radiation and bone loss. Of course those are concerns, but it seems to me that the change was done more because it just makes sense with a flight going up anyways, plus it gives Clayton a longer stay. I understand the weight limitations on the shuttle but it already seems that they have that figured out, so is this just the press sensationalizing the situation or is NASA truly worried that another two months in orbit would be disastrous for Suni?
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: Chris Bergin on 04/27/2007 02:45 am
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tmckinley - 27/4/2007  3:13 AM

Tonight on ABC, Gibson made this change sound as if something is terribly wrong with Suni, and made it seem that this was some great alteration in order to go and save her from radiation and bone loss. Of course those are concerns, but it seems to me that the change was done more because it just makes sense with a flight going up anyways, plus it gives Clayton a longer stay. I understand the weight limitations on the shuttle but it already seems that they have that figured out, so is this just the press sensationalizing the situation or is NASA truly worried that another two months in orbit would be disastrous for Suni?

Wow, the guy should be sacked for saying that without foundation. The move has nothing to do with that....STS-118 was simply due to launch around the time 117 is now set to launch.

This Gibson fella sounds like a moron.
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: Chris Bergin on 04/27/2007 02:46 am
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Lee Jay - 26/4/2007  11:18 PM

I think you can't find it because it's in the thread that Chris deleted.

Lee Jay

Hmmm, I didn't delete any thread. Might of been mod, given we have this thread.
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: nathan.moeller on 04/27/2007 04:41 am
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Chris Bergin - 26/4/2007  9:45 PM

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tmckinley - 27/4/2007  3:13 AM

Tonight on ABC, Gibson made this change sound as if something is terribly wrong with Suni, and made it seem that this was some great alteration in order to go and save her from radiation and bone loss. Of course those are concerns, but it seems to me that the change was done more because it just makes sense with a flight going up anyways, plus it gives Clayton a longer stay. I understand the weight limitations on the shuttle but it already seems that they have that figured out, so is this just the press sensationalizing the situation or is NASA truly worried that another two months in orbit would be disastrous for Suni?

Wow, the guy should be sacked for saying that without foundation. The move has nothing to do with that....STS-118 was simply due to launch around the time 117 is now set to launch.

This Gibson fella sounds like a moron.

I think he's referring to Charlie Gibson.  He's been around a while and is a pretty good anchor.  But I think we all need to keep in mind that most mainstream media sources will botch up any news when it comes to manned spaceflight and make it sound like the worst is coming.
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: TNCMAXQ on 04/27/2007 12:46 pm
Nothing new for the media to create an inaccuracy like this. Reminds me of 1996 when the mission to return Shannon Lucid from Mir got off after a long delay and one anchor referred to it as the "rescue shuttle."
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: svenge on 05/08/2007 03:43 am
Any clue when the modified STS-117 patch will be unveiled/released?
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: astrobrian on 05/08/2007 03:55 am
Nothing as of yet. Also just checked the "official" site and nothing there yet.  
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: Ender0319 on 05/08/2007 08:55 pm
The 117 crew was working on a new patch last week.  I'd expect to see Anderson added to the bottom of the existing patch rather than a complete new design.
Title: Re: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: ETEE on 05/09/2007 02:46 pm
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tmckinley - 27/4/2007  3:13 AM

Tonight on ABC, Gibson made this change sound as if something is terribly wrong with Suni, and made it seem that this was some great alteration in order to go and save her from radiation and bone loss. Of course those are concerns, but it seems to me that the change was done more because it just makes sense with a flight going up anyways, plus it gives Clayton a longer stay. I understand the weight limitations on the shuttle but it already seems that they have that figured out, so is this just the press sensationalizing the situation or is NASA truly worried that another two months in orbit would be disastrous for Suni?
On his last teleconference, Wayne Hale said that the decision to rotate Suni earlier than scheduled would be either because she wanted to come back early or because the next flight was likely to be further delayed.
Title: RE: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: Moonbase_Alphan on 05/10/2007 11:47 pm
here's a copy of just released patch

as expected, Anderson's name will be added as a tab at the base

Title: RE: Crew rotation being evaluated for STS-117 - Soyuz return delayed
Post by: Endeavour118 on 05/27/2007 09:57 pm
new crew photo released