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Title: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 11/04/2005 10:41 AM
Does any one know about flight crew assignments beyond STS-115? There must have been a lot of shuffling lately. I guess the original pre-Columbia assigments up to STS-120 are no longer valid -- or are they?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 11/04/2005 11:37 AM
STS-121
CDR Steven Lindsey
PLT Mark Kelly
MS1 Michael Fossum
MS2 Lisa Nowak
MS3 Stephanie Wilson
MS4 Piers Sellers
MS5 [up] Thomas Reiter (Germany)

STS-115
CDR Brent Jett
PLT Christopher Ferguson
MS Joseph Tanner
MS Daniel Burbank
MS Steven MacLean (Canada)
MS Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper

STS-116
CDR Mark Polansky
PLT William Oefelein
MS Christer Fuglesang (Sweden)
MS Robert Curbeam
MS Joan Higginbotham
MS Nicholas Patrick
MS [up] TBD
MS [down] Thomas Reiter (Germany)

STS-117
CDR Frederick Sturckow
PLT Lee Archambault
MS Steven Swanson
MS Richard Mastracchio
MS Patrick Forrester
MS James Reilly

STS-118
CDR Scott Kelly
PLT Charles Hobaugh
MS Scott Parazynski
MS Dafydd Williams (Canada)
MS Barbara Morgan   
MS TBD

STS-119
CDR Pamela Melroy
PLT TBD
MS Michael Gernhardt
MS TBD
MS Tracy Caldwell
MS TBD

STS-120
CDR James Halsell
PLT Alan Poindexter
MS Michael Foreman
MS TBD
MS TBD
MS TBD
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 11/04/2005 11:56 AM
Thanks, anik. So Halsell is still set to command STS-120? Aha. And Melroy replaces Lindsey on STS-119? That was new to me.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 11/04/2005 12:05 PM
It is a very old plan (May 2005)... There might be changes since then...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: MKremer on 11/04/2005 01:49 PM
I'm a Pam Melroy fan. Good to see she's got a chance at commanding another mission.  :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: rsp1202 on 11/04/2005 01:55 PM
I didn't know about Melroy. What's the scoop on her, background-wise?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: MKremer on 11/04/2005 02:13 PM
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rsp1202 - 4/11/2005  8:55 AM

I didn't know about Melroy. What's the scoop on her, background-wise?

Her bio is here:
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/melroy.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: rsp1202 on 11/04/2005 07:57 PM
Thanks. She's got the chops. Hope Tony Blankley leaves her be.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Flightstar on 11/04/2005 08:41 PM
Pam is another Eileen. Great people and great credits to our space program.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/05/2005 07:57 AM
Interesting, but I've found no official references to Melroy or Caldwell's assignments to STS-119. Unless I've missed something, there's nothing on either of their bios which refers to STS-119, nor any recent NASA press releases.

I also heard some time ago that Halsell, like Wilcutt, had chosen to step down from their pre-107 commands to give others a chance to fly. Also, I understand that Ken Bowersox (the Director of Flight Crew Ops) made an announcement a couple of months ago that more-or-less says four flights is the limit. Wilcutt, Parazynski and Gernhardt have already made four and Halsell has five under his belt.

A link, or press release, for the Melroy-Caldwell-Halsell assignments would be much appreciated, as would any comments about the others. Can anyone help?

Thanks

Ben
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: FransonUK on 11/05/2005 09:40 AM
Question of less knowledge alert:

Are all the main NASA astronauts from a Air Force background?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/05/2005 10:11 AM
I heard recently that Dan Tani may no longer be in the running for Expedition 13. Can anyone verify or counter this?

If Tani is to be dropped, will the 'prime' Russian on Expedition 13 (Vinogradov? or Kondratiev?) be kept with another US astronaut, or swapped for the entire Expedition 12 backup crew of Mikhail Tyurin and Jeff Williams?

Ben
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 11/05/2005 10:24 AM
I'll try an e-mail to ISS PR, if no one comes back on this, Ben.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 11/05/2005 11:02 AM
Ben,

Current plan:

ISS Expedition 13 crews

Prime
CDR Pavel Vinogradov (launch on Soyuz TMA-8)
FE1/SO Jeffrey Williams (launch on Soyuz TMA-8)
FE2 Thomas Reiter (launch on Discovery [STS-121])

Backup
CDR Fyodor Yurchikhin
FE1/SO Michael Fincke
FE2 Leopold Eyharts

ISS Expedition 14 crews

Prime
CDR Michael Lopez-Alegria (launch on Soyuz TMA-9)
FE1 Mikhail Tyurin (launch on Soyuz TMA-9)
FE2/SO Clayton Anderson (launch on Endeavour [STS-116])

Backup
CDR TBD
FE1 Yury Malenchenko
FE2/SO Garrett Reisman
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/05/2005 12:34 PM
Thanks anik.

Do you by any chance have a link to any of this. I'm aware that Lopez-Alegria, Reisman et al were all in 'generic' ISS expedition training, but hadn't heard of any official announcements.

Has anything leaked out as to why Tani was dropped?

Ben
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: MKremer on 11/05/2005 02:37 PM
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FransonUK - 5/11/2005  4:40 AM

Question of less knowledge alert:

Are all the main NASA astronauts from a Air Force background?

The Commander/Pilot positions have always (I believe) been limited to military pilots, and they've all been through test pilot training at some point during their military careers. I think the test pilot training is the main factor - you just don't get that type of training and experience with a commercial pilot background.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 11/05/2005 02:45 PM
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Ben E - 5/11/2005  4:34 PM

Do you by any chance have a link to any of this

The part of this information is official... It was confirmed at session of Multilateral Crew Operations Panel (MCOP) on September 20, 2005 and published in Russian "Novosti kosmonavtiki" magazine (November 2005)... Other part of this information I have received from informal sources...

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Ben E - 5/11/2005  4:34 PM

Has anything leaked out as to why Tani was dropped?

I heard that he had problems with studying of Russian language, but it may be a mistake...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 11/05/2005 06:01 PM
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I heard that he had problems with studying of Russian language, but it may be a mistake...

Yes, and also did not understand the Soyuz systems well enough.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/05/2005 09:59 PM
Seems a bit late in the day, after having trained as a prime and backup ISS crewmember AND flown a Shuttle-ISS mission, to have only just realised, with five months to go, that his language or Soyuz proficiency aren't up to scratch.

If it's true, it's almost as ludicrous as the Parazynski-Lawrence "too tall-too short" thing from 1997.

Ben
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: rsp1202 on 11/05/2005 10:44 PM
"Are all the main NASA astronauts from a Air Force background?"

John Young, Bob Crippen, Dick Truly, Rick Hauck were naval aviators (retired), to name a few. Of course, the Air Force guys would agree with "main."
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/05/2005 11:42 PM
Yes, the 'firsts' are by no means all monopolised by Air Force personnel:

Al Shepard - first American in space - was Navy
John Glenn - first American to orbit Earth - was Marines
Neil Armstrong - first man on the Moon - was civilian
Bruce McCandless - first untethered spacewalker - was Navy
Hoot Gibson - who led the first Shuttle-Mir docking - was Navy
Bob Cabana - who led first Shuttle-ISS mission - was Marines
Bill Shepherd - first ISS commander - was Navy

...but on the other hand...

Ed White - first American spacewalker - was Air Force
Frank Borman - who led the first manned circumlunar mission - was Air Force
Jerry Ross - first person to fly seven space missions - was Air Force

The Air Force also (with Buzz Aldrin) was first to put an active military officer on the Moon's surface (Armstrong being a 'civvie')

As for Shuttle Commanders, of the 114 missions flown so far (including 51L and STS-114), Air Force and Navy are neck-and-neck:

* 44 Shuttle missions have been led by an active Air Force officer
* 44 Shuttle missions have been led by an active Navy officer
* 11 Shuttle missions have been led by an active Marines officer
* 15 Shuttle missions have been led by a civilian

I wouldn't be surprised if there's some good-natured rivalry in there somewhere, though...

Ben


Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: rsp1202 on 11/05/2005 11:52 PM
Good research. Yeah, there's rivalry all right. That goes back to the Schirra/Stafford-Borman/Lovell Gemini 6-7 missions when they exchanged "Go Army, Beat Navy" and visa versa signs in cockpit windows. I believe even shuttle crew had to put up with similar when docking with ISS.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 11/05/2005 11:54 PM
Thought out of the service by the time he was with NASA at Edwards, Armstrong also was Navy before that.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Dogsbd on 11/06/2005 12:44 AM
GO NAVY!!

 :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Avron on 11/06/2005 03:31 PM
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Dogsbd - 5/11/2005  8:44 PM

GO NAVY!!

 :)


LOL..

Ben.. overall how do civilians rate in number of flights against non-civilian?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 11/06/2005 05:21 PM
Oh I don't know, but at least 2/3 or even 3/4 of all astronauts were in the military at one point or another.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 11/07/2005 08:48 AM
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Ben - 5/11/2005  8:01 PM

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I heard that he had problems with studying of Russian language, but it may be a mistake...

Yes, and also did not understand the Soyuz systems well enough.
Oh dear...

How silly is that? I concur — definetly a reminder of the Lawrence/Parazynski jumble.

By the way: I've read that Marcos Pontes of Brazil will fly to the ISS on the next crew exchange mission and return with the current crew. Although he was an international member of the 1998 class of NASA astronauts, he is supposed to get that flight opportunity due to a deal between Russia and Brazil, if I'm not mistaken.

Great to see yet another country to join the ranks of ISS visiting nations! America, Russia, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain, South Africa, Japan, Canada — and soon Brazil, Germany and Sweden. Did I forget any nation?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: UK Shuttle Clan on 11/07/2005 01:59 PM
Michael Foale, UK
Piers Sellars, Ex pat UK.  ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/07/2005 06:55 PM
Would Salizhan Sharipov - a native of Kyrgyzstan (is that spelt right?) - be another possibility?

Ben
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 11/08/2005 07:24 AM
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UK Shuttle Clan - 7/11/2005  3:59 PM

Michael Foale, UK
Piers Sellars, Ex pat UK.  ;)
Oh, yes -- of course. If You want it that way, then Andy Thomas would represent Australia, right? So add the UK and Australia to the list. Of course, all three of them are Americans nowadays.

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Ben E - 7/11/2005  8:55 PM

Would Salizhan Sharipov - a native of Kyrgyzstan (is that spelt right?) - be another possibility?

Ben

Hm ...

He's a native of Kirghizia, but he was born when the USSR still existed and -- according to his JSC bio -- he represents the GCTC ...

Hey, could a Russian board member say something about Sharipov?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/08/2005 10:12 AM
Further to earlier post, has there been any official announcement about assignment of Melroy and Caldwell to STS-119?

It has also been hinted that, because of the paucity of flights, veteran pilots will be promoted to command their second flights. Scott Kelly and Mark Polansky have already had that done. Does this mean that Hobaugh (Kelly's pilot on STS-118) will actually get a command and his seat on 118 taken by a rookie?

It's interesting also that the STS-115 through STS-120 crews have (or at least 'had', in pre-107 days) four Mission Specialists assigned, because of the four planned EVAs on each mission - two alternating teams of . But on all previous multiple-EVA missions, there have been five Mission Specialists (one to operate the RMS and a four-person EVA team). I think the last time we had a five-Mission Specialist, multiple-EVA crew was STS-110, in which Ochoa operated the RMS, while Smith, Walheim, Ross and Morin did the spacewalks. Why has an RMS crew member not been added onto STS-115 through STS-120? Will one of the ISS crew members do the job instead?

Ben
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: rsp1202 on 11/08/2005 01:41 PM
Interesting to note that many of the pilots and mission specialists being mentioned are all young enough now to be assigned to CEV crews if they remain with NASA, especially if development schedule is moved up at all. Wonder how many of these joined the shuttle program in the first place because they would actually "fly" the shuttle. NASA posting is still the top of the pyramid for fliers, and none will probably give up chance to take on an early CEV missions, but capsule work is definitely different than shuttle work.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 11/08/2005 01:50 PM
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rsp1202 - 8/11/2005  3:41 PM

Interesting to note that many of the pilots and mission specialists being mentioned are all young enough now to be assigned to CEV crews if they remain with NASA, especially if development schedule is moved up at all.
Given the fact that only 18 or 19 STS flights are scheduled before the end of the program, I would be surprised if any members of the classes of 2000 and 2004 will actually receive a shuttle flight assignment. Uh, well ... the 2000 guys probably, maybe ...

The 1998 astronauts are only beginning to fly next year -- or has anyone of them flown yet? I don't think so. Marcos Pontes will be the first -- but not on the shuttle ...

Actually, not all of the 1996 class of NASA astronauts have flown yet.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: rsp1202 on 11/08/2005 02:13 PM
It's inevitable there will be a large turnover in crew personnel between now and CEV first launch. Unfortunately, many of these exceptional people will miss their chance to fly on the shuttle; this is not dissimilar to what happened during the Apollo/Apollo Applications phaseout period when some astronauts waited years to be assigned missions only to have them cut. Numbers have been released as to how many KSC workers will be let go or retire in next five years, but there hasn't been a mention of astronauts leaving the program simply because most of them have probably not decided yet on whether they will stay. In a perfect world they should all get their chance, and I hope NASA continues to retain and attract the best of the best.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Dobbins on 11/08/2005 02:31 PM
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rsp1202 - 8/11/2005  9:41 AM

Interesting to note that many of the pilots and mission specialists being mentioned are all young enough now to be assigned to CEV crews if they remain with NASA,

I think that many the Mission Specialists are going to find themselves in the position of "odd man out" once the CEV starts flying. The smaller crew size is going to affect them more than it will the pilot astronauts.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Dobbins on 11/08/2005 02:40 PM
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rsp1202 - 8/11/2005  10:13 AM

Numbers have been released as to how many KSC workers will be let go or retire in next five years, but there hasn't been a mention of astronauts leaving the program simply because most of them have probably not decided yet on whether they will stay. In a perfect world they should all get their chance, and I hope NASA continues to retain and attract the best of the best.

I'm afraid that a Shuttle assignment is going to be the last chance for many of the Mission Specialists. The smaller crew size of the CEV is going to mean there won't be as many seats for them on future flights once the Shuttle is phased out and I expect this will result in many of the Mission Specialists leaving as the STS program winds down.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: rsp1202 on 11/08/2005 03:09 PM
Right. Especially the science specialists. I posted earlier that they will be the ones least willing to give up their academic or civilian careers. Many of the younger pilots remaining will have already retired or will be retiring from their miliary careers and will stick it out since it's the only game in town. Many of the CEV moon crews have yet to join NASA. Mars crews are graduating college about now.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/08/2005 03:53 PM
Yes, but it's interesting that maybe some of the younger astronauts around at the moment - those in their mid to late 30s, Mike Fincke being one - will certainly be possible candidates, if they stick it out, to fly Moon missions. Using Fincke as an example, he'll only be 50-ish when the Moon missions take place, which was the same age John Young was when he flew STS-1.

I genuinely do believe that at least one of the next generation of lunar explorers is a current, active astronaut already!

As for astronauts from the 1998, 2000 and 2004 groups getting assignments before the end of the Shuttle programme, I do think it's a possibility that they will ALL get at least one flight. If NASA sticks to its informal rule, cited a couple of months ago by Ken Bowersox, that "four flights will be the limit", that automatically cancels out roughly half of the extant corps. With 19 flights to go, flying at a rate of 1-3 veterans + 1-3 rookies per crew, it should be possible to get everyone flown on the Shuttle.

According to NASA's Astronaut Biographies website (www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios), there are currently 94 active astronauts, of whom 37 are detailed to management responsibilities. If we assume that 'management' astronauts are not immediately eligible for flight assignments, that leaves 57 astronauts, of whom 28 are active Pilots or Commanders and 29 are Mission Specialists. Added to that figure are 13 active international Mission Specialists and 14 candidates (two Pilots and 12 Mission Specialists) from NASA's 2004 intake. All told, that leaves an effectively-active corps of 30 Pilots or Commanders and 54 Mission Specialists

Thirty Pilots and Commanders is clearly more than enough for 19 Shuttle missions, if we assume Pilots fly once or twice before getting a command. Most Shuttle flights have five or six Mission Specialists, so that leaves 95-114 available seats for Mission Specialists. Bearing in mind, too, that many astronauts (Leopold Eyharts, Jeff Williams, Garrett Reisman, Mike Lopez-Alegria, Bill McArthur, Sunita Williams, Clay Anderson et al) will probably hitch a ride on Soyuz for their long-term ISS increments, I really do not see a reason why EVERYONE should not get at least one and possibly two flights before the Shuttle programme ends.    

Unless my maths is wrong, it should work out.

Ben





Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: rsp1202 on 11/08/2005 05:11 PM
Based on Anik's flight/crew outline, I would speculate the earlier STS commanders and pilots might be up for CEV flights. Rather than hijacking this thread, I'll move that over to "CEV Particulars."
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 11/08/2005 06:41 PM
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nethegauner - 8/11/2005  11:24 AM

Hey, could a Russian board member say something about Sharipov?

Sharipov was born in Kyrghyzstan. His nationality - the Uzbek. After the first flight (STS-89) he has received a rank "The Hero of Kyrghyzstan". After the second flight (ISS Expedition 10) Salizhan recently has received a rank "The Hero of Russia"

By the way, the current Expedition 15 prime crew:

CDR Peggy Whitson (launch on Endeavour [STS-118])
FE1 Fyodor Yurchikhin (launch on Soyuz TMA-10)
FE2 Oleg Kotov (launch on Soyuz TMA-10)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/08/2005 07:43 PM
Anik,

Do you have a link for the Expedition 15 crew announcement? And also the Expedition 13 and 14 press releases, too? I can't seem to find official confirmation anywhere on the net.

Thanks

Ben
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 11/08/2005 10:09 PM
They are real and 'official' internally but none of these will be published soon.

The only discrepancy I have with Anik is I have Whitson as FE and Kotov as CDR(?).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Flightstar on 11/09/2005 02:48 AM
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Ben E - 8/11/2005  2:43 PM

Anik,

Do you have a link for the Expedition 15 crew announcement? And also the Expedition 13 and 14 press releases, too? I can't seem to find official confirmation anywhere on the net.

Thanks

Ben

Anik tends to find information out before it is "on the internet to the public" :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 11/09/2005 05:35 AM
So do I...I have a source at JSC who shares all the latest crew changes as soon as they happen, and he has never been wrong once amazingly in the last five or so years I've known him or her :-)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/09/2005 09:31 AM
Yes, the CDRs of ISS crews do seem to alternate between US and Russian, so if Expedition 13 has a Russian CDR (Tyurin?) then Expedition 15 should have one, too (Kotov?)

BTW I'm aware Kotov is an MD, but is he officially classed as a pilot-cosmonaut or an engineer?

Ben
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 11/09/2005 10:26 AM
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Ben E - 8/11/2005  11:43 PM

Do you have a link for the Expedition 15 crew announcement? And also the Expedition 13 and 14 press releases, too?

No, Ben E!... This is unofficial information from Russian “Novosti kosmonavtiki” magazine and Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Centre (GCTC)…

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Ben - 9/11/2005  2:09 AM

The only discrepancy I have with Anik is I have Whitson as FE and Kotov as CDR(?).

Ben, I heard the American side want that the Expedition 15 Commander was the American…

I also have the following unofficial information:

Expedition 15 backup crew:

CDR TBD
FE1 Mikhail Korniyenko
FE2 Maksim Surayev

Expedition 16 crews:

Prime
CDR Yury Malenchenko
FE1 TBD
FE2 TBD

Backup
CDR Yury Lonchakov
FE1 TBD
FE2 TBD

Expedition 17 crews:

Prime
CDR TBD
FE1 Oleg Kononenko
FE2 Sergey Volkov

Backup
CDR TBD
FE1 Aleksandr Kaleri
FE2 Roman Romanenko

There are many “TBDs” in these crews, but I know that the following astronauts maybe included in the Expedition 15/16/17 crews:

Sandra Magnus, Gregory Chamitoff, Michael Barratt, Timothy Kopra, Robert Behnken, Nicole Stott, Leopold Eyharts (France), Andre Kuipers (Netherlands), Frank De Winne (Belgium), Robert Thirsk (Canada) and Koichi Wakata (Japan)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 11/09/2005 10:56 AM
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anik - 9/11/2005  12:26 PM

There are many “TBDs” in these crews, but I know that the following astronauts maybe included in the Expedition 15/16/17 crews:

Sandra Magnus, Gregory Chamitoff, Michael Barratt, Timothy Kopra, Robert Behnken, Nicole Stott, Leopold Eyharts (France), Andre Kuipers (Netherlands), Frank De Winne (Belgium), Robert Thirsk (Canada) and Koichi Wakata (Japan)
Barratt, Kopra, Behnken and Stott? Interesting. They are from the 2000 class ...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 11/09/2005 12:27 PM
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Ben E - 9/11/2005  1:31 PM

so if Expedition 13 has a Russian CDR (Tyurin?)

Vinogradov, not Tyurin!...

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Ben E - 9/11/2005  1:31 PM

I'm aware Kotov is an MD, but is he officially classed as a pilot-cosmonaut or an engineer?

Oleg Kotov will be the Soyuz TMA-10 Commander and the ISS Flight Engineer 2...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/09/2005 12:30 PM
Thanks, anik.
It's interesting also that by the time Expeditions 16 and 17 are flown (2007-2008), Columbus will probably have been installed. As some of the later expeditions have two Russians assigned, presumably the other seat will be taken by an American or a European (or Canadian or Japanese). All of this implies that either Destiny or Columbus - or both - will have to operate for at least one increment without a representative astronaut from its 'home' nation aboard.

My thinking was that the crews would change, after Columbus was attached, to something similar to Expedition 13/STS-121 - with one American, one Russian and one European on each increment, expanding to cover Japanese and Canadian astronauts when extra Soyuz return vehicles become available c 2008-2009.

Obviously, I was wrong.

Ben
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: David AF on 11/09/2005 07:45 PM
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nethegauner - 9/11/2005  5:56 AM

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anik - 9/11/2005  12:26 PM

There are many “TBDs” in these crews, but I know that the following astronauts maybe included in the Expedition 15/16/17 crews:

Sandra Magnus, Gregory Chamitoff, Michael Barratt, Timothy Kopra, Robert Behnken, Nicole Stott, Leopold Eyharts (France), Andre Kuipers (Netherlands), Frank De Winne (Belgium), Robert Thirsk (Canada) and Koichi Wakata (Japan)
Barratt, Kopra, Behnken and Stott? Interesting. They are from the 2000 class ...

If this is refering to astronauts fresh out of boot camp, I did hear that the aim was to give as many different astronauts a shot of riding on a Shuttle before retirement of the fleet as opposed to Collins getting two more flights, for example. Can anyone confirm that?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/09/2005 09:54 PM
I would hedge my bets with Grunsfeld as CDR of Expedition 17. If the timing's right, it'll be about that time that both Columbus and Kibo are being installed. Great opportunity to have NASA's former Chief Scientist aboard...

I did hear rumours that Grunsfeld may also fly the last Hubble servicing mission. Can anyone confirm or counter that?

Other astronauts involved in ISS increment training, I believe, include Camarda and Robinson from STS-114. I'm sure that Wilson and Caldwell were also doing ISS advanced training at one point, although both (it seems) are assigned to Shuttle crews. Veterans of NEEMO undersea expeditions are also 'prime suspects' for future missions - Nick Patrick, Doug Wheelock, Rex Walheim, Cady Coleman and Dave Williams being a few.

Ben
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 11/09/2005 11:47 PM
Collins? She announced her retirement before 114 even launched.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ADC9 on 11/10/2005 04:46 AM
He said Collins by way of giving an example. At least that is how I read it.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/10/2005 02:59 PM
I didn't think Collins actually announced her retirement before 114 flew; rather she said she didn't expect to fly again, but would wait and see. Having said that, having such a high profile and probably countless job offers, I don't expect her to fly again (but I hope she does).

Ben
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 11/10/2005 03:10 PM
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Ben E - 10/11/2005  1:54 AM

I did hear rumours that Grunsfeld may also fly the last Hubble servicing mission. Can anyone confirm or counter that?

Yes, Ben E... Recently John Grunsfeld trained in ISS Expedition 13 backup crew, but in September he was replaced on Michael Fincke because of preparation to Hubble Servicing Mission (HST-SM-04)...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 11/10/2005 06:58 PM
Nah, her exact words were "This is my last flight." at one of the events I was at, maybe crew arrival :-)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/10/2005 09:19 PM
Ah, so Grunsfeld's Hubble assignment would explain the sudden "appearance" of Mike Fincke on the upcoming ISS crew roster.

Since Hubble has got to be the most coveted of the remaining Shuttle missions, can anyone speculate on other contenders for crew positions? Altman as CDR again? Nicollier? Massimino?

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: rsp1202 on 11/10/2005 10:14 PM
Thought Altman moved over to management, since he hasn't flown since. Hope he does; it wouldn't be first time a manager moved up.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 11/23/2005 08:07 AM
Recently I received the new unofficial information about assignments in ISS Expeditions crews...

Michael Fincke is the commander and Fyodor Yurchikhin is the flight engineer 1 of the Expedition 13 backup crew now...

Garrett Reisman is the flight engineer 2 of the Expedition 14 prime crew now...

Peggy Whitson is the commander and Gennady Padalka (possibly) is the flight engineer 1 of the Expedition 14 backup crew now... The flight engineer 2 in this crew is TBD...

Yury Malenchenko (possibly) is the commander, Fyodor Yurchikhin is the flight engineer 1 and Clayton Anderson is the flight engineer 2 of the Expedition 15 prime crew now...

ISS Expedition 13-19 prime and backup crews will be confirmed at the Multilateral Crew Operations Panel (MCOP) meeting in December 3-6, 2005...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/23/2005 10:02 AM
Thanks anik,

Does that mean the Expedition 14 roster is Mike Lopez-Alegria (CDR), Mikhail Tyurin (FE) and Garrett Reisman (FE)?

If so, what's happened to Clay Anderson and Sunita Williams?

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 11/23/2005 12:37 PM
Quote
Ben E - 23/11/2005  2:02 PM

Does that mean the Expedition 14 roster is Mike Lopez-Alegria (CDR), Mikhail Tyurin (FE) and Garrett Reisman (FE)?

Yeah, Ben E!... CDR Michael Lopez-Alegria - FE1 Mikhail Tyurin - FE2/SO Garrett Reisman...

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Ben E - 23/11/2005  2:02 PM

If so, what's happened to Clay Anderson and Sunita Williams?

Unfortunately, I dont know why Clayton Anderson is in the Expedition 15 prime crew now instead of the Expedition 14 prime crew and why Sunita Williams was removed from Expeditions crews... :(
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/23/2005 06:49 PM
Purely speculating here, but in view of the fact that Chief Astronauts generally get plum mission assignments, what mission do you think Kent Rominger will fly next?

After all, Young got STS-1, Brandenstein got Endeavour's maiden mission, Gibson got Shuttle-Mir and Cabana got the first ISS assembly mission.

I suppose the Columbus mission would be a lead contender, but I personally wouldn't be too surprised if he gets the command of the Hubble servicing mission.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 11/24/2005 10:10 AM
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Ben E - 23/11/2005  8:49 PM

Purely speculating here, but in view of the fact that Chief Astronauts generally get plum mission assignments, what mission do you think Kent Rominger will fly next?
I don't know. With missions 73, 80, 85, 96 and 100 (if I'm not mistaken) he has already flown five times. With all that talk about four missions being the limit nowadays, I don't think he'll fly again.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Super George on 11/27/2005 03:07 AM
Also, isn't it now policy that the remaining flights of the Shuttle means they will be trying to give as many rookies a flight as possible, restricting the seasoned astronauts expect for in commander and pilot roles?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ADC9 on 12/06/2005 12:07 AM
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Super George - 26/11/2005  10:07 PM

Also, isn't it now policy that the remaining flights of the Shuttle means they will be trying to give as many rookies a flight as possible, restricting the seasoned astronauts expect for in commander and pilot roles?

I'm not so sure about rookies. I would be more inclined to stick with experienced commanders and pilots for the remaining missions and ensure all seasoned and well trained astronauts who are simply waiting in line to fly get their shot. If there's spare places at the end then at least those rookies will have matured into the experienced, well trained astronauts that went ahead of them. That seems only natural to me.

Maybe some more international partners, as token guestures, especially due to the way we appear to be heading with the ISS and our international partners.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: David AF on 12/06/2005 12:04 PM
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ADC9 - 5/12/2005  7:07 PM

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Super George - 26/11/2005  10:07 PM

Also, isn't it now policy that the remaining flights of the Shuttle means they will be trying to give as many rookies a flight as possible, restricting the seasoned astronauts expect for in commander and pilot roles?

I'm not so sure about rookies. I would be more inclined to stick with experienced commanders and pilots for the remaining missions and ensure all seasoned and well trained astronauts who are simply waiting in line to fly get their shot. If there's spare places at the end then at least those rookies will have matured into the experienced, well trained astronauts that went ahead of them. That seems only natural to me.

Maybe some more international partners, as token guestures, especially due to the way we appear to be heading with the ISS and our international partners.

That would be the correct way to carry out the assignments, imho.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 12/08/2005 11:32 PM
Yes, the "Deke Slayton approach", in which astronauts follow a rotation and anyone can fly any mission, is entirely logical and the best way to keep the corps' morale up. Attrition from the astronaut corps and the actual number of Shuttle flight seats available - 19 missions left x 6 crew members per mission = 114 slots - means that there is more than enough opportunity for the 95-odd astronauts who are currently listed as 'active' and not 'management'.

If it were up to me, a veteran Commander, rookie Pilot and one veteran and three rookie Mission Specialists per flight should provide more than enough opportunities to fly everyone from Groups 16, 17, 18 and even a few of 19 too.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 12/09/2005 08:09 PM
I heard that ISS Expedition 13 and 14 crews were confirmed on the Multilateral Crew Operations Panel (MCOP) meeting in December 2005...

Expedition 13 crews

Prime
CDR Pavel Vinogradov (launch on Soyuz TMA-8)
FE1/SO Jeffrey Williams (launch on Soyuz TMA-8)
FE2 Thomas Reiter (launch on Discovery [STS-121])

Backup
CDR/SO Michael Fincke
FE1 Fyodor Yurchikhin
FE2 Leopold Eyharts

Expedition 14 crews

Prime
CDR Michael Lopez-Alegria (launch on Soyuz TMA-9)
FE1 Mikhail Tyurin (launch on Soyuz TMA-9)
FE2/SO Sunita Williams (launch on Endeavour [STS-116])

Backup
CDR Peggy Whitson
FE1 Yury Malenchenko
FE2/SO TBD
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ras391 on 12/09/2005 09:32 PM
If you are correct on the makeup of the Exp. crews, do we know the makeup of the shuttle crews after the next two?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 12/10/2005 08:39 AM
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ras391 - 10/12/2005  1:32 AM

do we know the makeup of the shuttle crews after the next two?

STS-116
CDR Mark Polansky
PLT William Oefelein
MS Christer Fuglesang (Sweden)
MS Robert Curbeam
MS Joan Higginbotham
MS Nicholas Patrick
MS5 [up] Sunita Williams
MS5 [down] Thomas Reiter (Germany)

STS-117
CDR Frederick Sturckow
PLT Lee Archambault
MS Steven Swanson
MS Richard Mastracchio
MS Patrick Forrester
MS James Reilly

STS-118
CDR Scott Kelly
PLT Charles Hobaugh
MS Scott Parazynski
MS Dafydd Williams (Canada)
MS Barbara Morgan
MS TBD
MS5 (up) TBD
MS5 (down) Sunita Williams

STS-119
CDR Pamela Melroy
PLT TBD
MS Michael Gernhardt
MS TBD
MS Tracy Caldwell
MS TBD

STS-120
CDR James Halsell
PLT Alan Poindexter
MS Michael Foreman
MS TBD
MS TBD
MS TBD
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ras391 on 12/11/2005 02:12 AM
Thank you for the update!!!  Please post any additions or corrections to ANY crew when you learn of them.  The information is quite useful.

Also, any changes to the make up of any astronaut, cosmonaut, etc. Corp, would be appreciated. :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 12/11/2005 10:33 AM
So now Garrett Reisman has been dropped from Expedition 14.

Has he upset George Abbey or something?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 12/11/2005 04:55 PM
I can't tell if you're joking, but Abbey retired about three years ago :-)

Ross and Chang-Diaz would never have had a chance of seven flights with him there.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 12/11/2005 05:16 PM
Yes, I was semi-joking. I think I've read Brian Burrough's DRAGONFLY and taken it a little too seriously... ;-)

Doesn't look like Chang-Diaz will get an eighth flight, having retired in July this year. Jerry's still hanging in there, though.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 12/11/2005 06:19 PM
Dragonfly, while a good read, is full of things which are greatly exaggerated and even made up in some cases, unfortunately.  Whatever you can do for a best-seller!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 12/11/2005 11:07 PM
Is there any news from the Multilateral Crew Operations Panel meeting on future ISS expeditions? I believe it was being held sometime last week.


Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ras391 on 12/13/2005 06:01 PM
Does anyone know what has happened to Garrett Reisman's crew assignment?  Any other changes?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 12/16/2005 08:29 PM
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Ben E - 12/12/2005  3:07 AM

Is there any news from the Multilateral Crew Operations Panel meeting on future ISS expeditions?

ISS Expedition 15-18 prime and backup crews will be confirmed on the MCOP meeting in the first half of 2006...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ras391 on 12/17/2005 02:40 AM
You used the word "confirmed" in 2006.  Can you give us the "unconfirmed" crews?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ras391 on 12/19/2005 09:18 PM
ANIK

Did you see my last post? :(
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 12/20/2005 04:55 PM
Current assignments in ISS Expeditions crews...

Expedition 13

Prime
CDR Pavel Vinogradov (Russia) - launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-8
FE1/SO Jeffrey Williams (USA) - launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-8
FE2 Thomas Reiter (Germany) - launch on Discovery (STS-121), landing on Endeavour (STS-116)

Backup
CDR/SO Michael Fincke (USA)
FE1 Fyodor Yurchikhin (Russia)
FE2 Leopold Eyharts (France)

Expedition 14

Prime
CDR Michael Lopez-Alegria (USA) - launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-9
FE1 Mikhail Tyurin (Russia) - launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-9
FE2/SO Sunita Williams (USA) - launch on Endeavour (STS-116), landing on Endeavour (STS-118)

Backup
CDR Peggy Whitson (USA)
FE1 Yury Malenchenko (Russia)
FE2/SO Clayton Anderson??? (USA)

Expedition 15

Prime
CDR Gennady Padalka??? (Russia) - launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-10
FE1 Fyodor Yurchikhin??? (Russia) - launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-10
FE2/SO Michael Fincke??? (USA) - launch on Endeavour (STS-118)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ras391 on 12/20/2005 05:22 PM
Thanks for the reply.  Please keep sending updates as they are known. :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 12/21/2005 03:27 PM
Is this going to be typical - flying two expedition crew members by Soyuz and then adding the third by Shuttle?

Are we going to see no more pre-107-style missions with a four-person Shuttle crew plus an entire expedition crew?

I notice that several missions which were assigned four crew members in pre-107 days, including STS-116 and (presumably) STS-119, have been boosted up to six crew members. Is there a reason for this?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Justin Space on 12/21/2005 04:21 PM
I think they weren't going to three until they've had at least two STS's go off without problems. Maybe after 121?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 12/21/2005 07:47 PM
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Ben E - 21/12/2005  7:27 PM

Is this going to be typical - flying two expedition crew members by Soyuz and then adding the third by Shuttle?

Yes, Ben E!... If Expedition has two Russians and one American then two Russians will be launched on Soyuz, one American – on Shuttle… If Expedition has two Americans and one Russian then one Russian and one American will be launched on Soyuz, another American – on Shuttle…

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Ben E - 21/12/2005  7:27 PM

Are we going to see no more pre-107-style missions with a four-person Shuttle crew plus an entire expedition crew?

Yeah!… Only one Expedition crewmember (American) will be launched on Shuttle in future…
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 12/21/2005 10:31 PM
Thanks anik.

But why the increased crew sizes? The STS-116 crew, for example, has increased from a 'core' crew of four in 2002-2003 (Wilcutt, Oefelein, Fuglesang and Curbeam) to a new 'core' crew of six since 2005 (Polansky, Oefelein, Fuglesang, Curbeam, Higginbotham and Patrick). Why the two additional crew members? The payload (P-5 segment and Spacehab module) remain the same. Have additional EVAs been added, or is there another reason?

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: STS Tony on 12/29/2005 11:45 PM
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anik - 21/12/2005  2:47 PM

Yeah!… Only one Expedition crewmember (American) will be launched on Shuttle in future…

Hold on, just spotted this. There will never be another Russian flying on a Shuttle flight? Because of Columbia?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jamie Young on 12/30/2005 12:08 AM
So the Russians take up their ISS expedition member on a Soyuz and the US takes up theirs on a Shuttle.

Is this so they have another space for a tourist?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Peter NASA on 12/30/2005 12:19 AM
They are reserving a seat for a US astronaunt (ISS Exped member) on a Soyuz from Soyuz TMA-8, which will be used, onwards through 2006, in support of STS missions re-starting.

There's a possibility that no ISS exped members will ever travel to or from the station on a STS again.

Of course, that's under review, dependant on ISS crew size increase date, US involvement which is under review contray to what commitments some lawmakers like to note at every occasion, and STS mission frequency.

The Russians also have the option, internal to their own matters, of using any spare capacity for commercial wishes. That is their business.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jamie Young on 12/30/2005 12:49 AM
When is the ISS supposed to be up to three crew members?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ras391 on 12/30/2005 12:57 AM
They will be at three when ESA astronaut Reiter arrives on the ISS via the next shuttle, 121.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Peter NASA on 12/30/2005 01:04 AM
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ras391 - 29/12/2005  7:57 PM

They will be at three when ESA astronaut Reiter arrives on the ISS via the next shuttle, 121.

This may change with the next review.  There's an important need not to over capacitate from the onset of what is still a test flight, with a fluid launch possibility. We'll see.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: STS Tony on 12/30/2005 01:10 AM
You mean in case of another event which will ground the fleet again and maybe push flights over the edge and end patience in getting it right with the foam?

So they keep the manifests as they are to show confidence, but it might be too risky to leave an odd number on the ISS if there's no following flight on time for bringing the third member home?

If this stays the same and there's a problem that sees another delay with the Shuttle, could Russia send up another Soyuz in-between regular Soyuz flights to bring him home?

This is all very confusing. A normal launch would be welcome!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 12/30/2005 11:20 AM
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STS Tony - 30/12/2005  3:45 AM

There will never be another Russian flying on a Shuttle flight?

Yes… :(

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STS Tony - 30/12/2005  3:45 AM

Because of Columbia?

No!… Because of the agreement between Roskosmos and NASA!…

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STS Tony - 30/12/2005  5:10 AM

If this stays the same and there's a problem that sees another delay with the Shuttle, could Russia send up another Soyuz in-between regular Soyuz flights to bring him home?

If Shuttles will be grounded again after STS-121, then Thomas Reiter will be returned to Earth on Soyuz TMA-8 on September 23, 2006...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/30/2005 01:18 PM
Thank Anik.

Peter NASA, please respond to the e-mail I've sent you - sent to the e-mail you used to register. Thanks.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Martin FL on 01/02/2006 12:17 PM
I remember that the Russians have said that if there's a problem with a Shuttle, they have options to help with three Soyuz in close successions to bring them off the ISS.

Is this right, is there a capability to process and launch THREE Soyuz in close succession?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 01/02/2006 03:37 PM
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Martin FL - 2/1/2006  4:17 PM

is there a capability to process and launch THREE Soyuz in close succession?

It is not a problem to prepare and launch three Soyuz TMA spacecrafts in close succession, because there are two launch pads (areas 1 and 31) and the big assembly-testing building (area 254) on the Baikonur cosmodrome... :) In 1969, for example, Soyuz-6 spacecraft was launched on October 11 from area 31, Soyuz-7 - on October 12 from area 1 and Soyuz-8 - on October 13 from area 31!... :o ;)

But now it is a problem to make three Soyuz TMA spacecrafts quickly, because of lack of money... :( I think, that RSC Energiya has not three Soyuz TMA spacecrafts now, which are completely made... :( It is necessary one and a half year for the Soyuz TMA spacecraft manufacturing... :(
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 01/02/2006 04:49 PM
I still don't understand the logic of sending an American up on Shuttle, rather than Soyuz, when that American will potentially have to depend on the Soyuz during the course of his/her expedition anyway. If the crew needs to switch docking ports, the Shuttle-launched American will need a seat liner for it. Similarly, if an emergency evacuation is necessary, the Shuttle-launched American will return to Earth via Soyuz. If the Shuttle-launched American will be reliant upon the Soyuz for 99% of his/her expedition anyway, why not just make it 100% and launch/land on it too?

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 01/02/2006 06:47 PM
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Ben E - 2/1/2006  8:49 PM

If the Shuttle-launched American will be reliant upon the Soyuz for 99% of his/her expedition anyway, why not just make it 100% and launch/land on it too?

Probably because Roskosmos wants to keep the third seat on Soyuz TMA spacecraft (at the launch and the landing) for space tourists and astronauts from other countries (for example, Brazil, Japan, South Korea and Malaysia)... Or because NASA does not want to pay for two seats on Soyuz TMA spacecraft...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: To The Stars on 01/04/2006 12:44 AM
Is NASA paying around the same money for that seat as the tourists?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Flightstar on 01/05/2006 06:34 PM
As you know:

RELEASE: 06-002

NASA ANNOUNCES NEXT INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION CREW

NASA and its international partners have selected astronaut Jeffrey
Williams and Russian cosmonaut Pavel Vinogradov as the next crew for
the International Space Station, designated as Expedition 13.

Williams is a U.S. Army colonel and veteran of one space flight. He
will serve as Expedition 13 flight engineer and NASA science officer.
He flew aboard the Space Shuttle Atlantis as a mission specialist in
May 2000 on a 10-day space station assembly mission. During that
mission, he performed a spacewalk lasting almost seven hours. He is a
graduate of the U.S. Military Academy, West Point, N.Y. He has
master's degrees from the Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey,
Calif., and the Naval War College, Newport, R.I. He was selected as
an astronaut in 1996.

Vinogradov, a veteran of one long-duration spaceflight, will command
Expedition 13. He flew aboard a Soyuz spacecraft to the Russian Mir
Space Station as flight engineer for the 24th resident crew in 1997,
a 198-day mission. During the mission, he performed five spacewalks.
A graduate of Moscow Aviation Institute, he was selected as a
cosmonaut in 1992.

Astronaut Mike Fincke and Russian cosmonaut Fyodor Yurchikhin were
selected to train as the back-up crew.

Williams and Vinogradov will launch aboard a Russian Soyuz (TMA-8) in
March 2006. They will discuss their mission during a news conference
Thursday, Jan. 12 at 3 p.m. EST (2 p.m. CST), at NASA's Johnson Space
Center, Houston.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 01/06/2006 09:47 AM
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To The Stars - 4/1/2006  4:44 AM

Is NASA paying around the same money for that seat as the tourists?

Yes... For example, NASA will pay about 21.8 million dollars for Jeffrey Williams flight aboard Soyuz TMA-8 spacecraft...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Justin Space on 01/06/2006 01:37 PM
That's a nice suitcase full of Rubles :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jamie Young on 01/06/2006 10:54 PM
For that money it's the best for all parties. I like this cooperation.

Still a bit disapointed that no Russian will ever travel on a Shuttle again.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: SRBseparama on 01/08/2006 03:28 AM
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Jamie Young - 6/1/2006  5:54 PM

Still a bit disapointed that no Russian will ever travel on a Shuttle again.

Who was the last Russian to travel on a Shuttle? A bit of historical knowledge, if you please :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 01/08/2006 04:28 AM
Expedition 6 on 113; Budarin.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Super George on 01/13/2006 03:33 AM
How far ahead have the crews been projected to?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ras391 on 01/19/2006 09:27 PM
I recently saw a projection for Expedition crews to the ISS.  Except for the next two, do we have any updates?  Also, can we expect any new shuttle crew assignments before 121?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Flightstar on 01/19/2006 10:40 PM
I don't think before 121, but it's a fair question. The new manifest due out will hold answers.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 01/20/2006 07:23 AM
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Flightstar - 20/1/2006  12:40 AM

The new manifest due out will hold answers.
Yeah, sure. I can't wait to see it. Ich bin gespannt wie ein Flitzbogen...

While waiting for the FAWG manifest: try to find out what that means, everyone!  ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 02/25/2006 05:01 PM
According to http://www.spacefacts.de/schedule/e_schedule.htm Tracy Caldwell is in STS-118 crew now!... :o
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Sergi Manstov on 03/07/2006 01:43 PM
Russian Cosmonauts back on Shuttle flights!

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=4125425&PageNum=0
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 03/07/2006 01:58 PM
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Sergi Manstov - 7/3/2006  3:43 PM

Russian Cosmonauts back on Shuttle flights!

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=4125425&PageNum=0
An interesting news article. Did I get that right? US astronauts are set to command the Soyuz? Wow...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Captain Scarlet on 03/07/2006 02:45 PM
Nice deal and I'm glad Russia has U-turned on this.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 03/07/2006 03:25 PM
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Sergi Manstov - 7/3/2006  2:43 PM

Russian Cosmonauts back on Shuttle flights!

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=4125425&PageNum=0

This appears to have been resulting from the talks last week? Certainly happy with the news.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Davros on 03/07/2006 04:27 PM
A good move. I like the cooperation.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Launch Fan on 03/07/2006 05:26 PM
I like Perminov, he's always respectful of the position NASA is in. This is a good sign of willingness and we should play on that over the VSE before they go off with the Chinese.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 03/11/2006 06:55 PM
The information, which is published below, was in L2 section since March 8, because I should receive the permission from my source to place it in an open forum...

Current assignments in ISS Expeditions crews

Expedition 13

Prime
CDR Pavel Vinogradov (Russia) – launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-8
FE1/SO Jeffrey Williams (USA) – launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-8
FE2 Thomas Reiter (Germany) – launch on Discovery (STS-121), landing on Discovery (STS-116)
SFP Marcos Pontes (Brazil) – launch on Soyuz TMA-8, landing on Soyuz TMA-7

Backup
CDR/SO Michael Fincke (USA)
FE1 Fyodor Yurchikhin (Russia)
FE2 Leopold Eyharts (France)
SFP Sergey Volkov (Russia)

Expedition 14

Prime
CDR Michael Lopez-Alegria (USA) – launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-9
FE1 Mikhail Tyurin (Russia) – launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-9
FE2/SO Sunita Williams (USA) – launch on Discovery (STS-116), landing on Endeavour (STS-118)
SFP Daisuke Enomoto (Japan) – launch on Soyuz TMA-9, landing on Soyuz TMA-8

Backup
CDR Peggy Whitson (USA)
FE1 Yury Malenchenko (Russia)
FE2/SO Clayton Anderson (USA)
SFP Arisa (or Arishia) Raishiyan (Japan)  

Expedition 15

Prime
CDR Fyodor Yurchikhin (Russia) – launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-10
FE1 Oleg Kotov (Russia) – launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-10
FE2/SO Clayton Anderson (USA) – launch on Endeavour (STS-118)
SFP TBD – launch on Soyuz TMA-10, landing on Soyuz TMA-9

Backup
CDR Roman Romanenko (Russia)
FE1 Mikhail Korniyenko (Russia)
FE2/SO TBD (USA)
SFP TBD

Expedition 16

Prime
CDR Peggy Whitson (USA) – launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-11
FE1 Yury Malenchenko (Russia) – launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-11
FE2/SO TBD (USA)
SFP TBD (Malaysia) – launch on Soyuz TMA-11, landing on Soyuz TMA-10

Backup
CDR TBD (USA)
FE1 Yury Lonchakov (Russia)
FE2/SO TBD (USA)
SFP TBD (Malaysia)

Expedition 17

Prime
CDR Sergey Volkov (Russia) – launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-12
FE1 Oleg Kononenko (Russia) – launch and landing on Soyuz TMA-12
FE2/SO TBD (USA)
SFP TBD (South Korea) – launch on Soyuz TMA-12, landing on Soyuz TMA-11
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ras391 on 03/11/2006 07:01 PM
Do we have any idea why Fincke is off the board, after being back-up commander?  He should be ahead of Whitson.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/12/2006 08:04 PM
Interesting that there's an all-rookie Russian crew on Expedition-17. I thought after Soyuz-25's failed docking to Salyut-6 in 1977, the Russians had declared they'd always have a flight-experienced crew member on each mission from now on?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 03/13/2006 03:52 PM
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Ben E - 13/3/2006  12:04 AM

I thought after Soyuz-25's failed docking to Salyut-6 in 1977, the Russians had declared they'd always have a flight-experienced crew member on each mission from now on?

I want to remind you, that Yuri Malenchenko and Talgat Musabaev aboard Soyuz TM-19 spacecraft in 1994 were also without experience of space flight...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jamie Young on 03/13/2006 05:41 PM
By the way, is the Soyuz retiring when the Kliper comes into service?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 03/13/2006 07:40 PM
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Jamie Young - 13/3/2006  12:41 PMBy the way, is the Soyuz retiring when the Kliper comes into service?

Kliper is not a sure thing
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 03/14/2006 08:20 PM
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anik - 11/3/2006  10:55 PM

SFP Marcos Pontes (Brazil)

It is a truth!… :) His post is really the spaceflight participant (SFP)…

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anik - 11/3/2006  10:55 PM

SFP Sergey Volkov (Russia)

It is my mistake!… :( His post is the flight engineer 2 (FE2)…
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 03/15/2006 04:37 PM
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anik - 11/3/2006  10:55 PM

SFP Arisa (or Arishia) Raishiyan (Japan)

It is a mistake!... :(

You will find new info here: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=61&start=136
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jamie Young on 04/12/2006 04:59 PM
How many Soyuz flights are there a year and is there an increase expected over the coming years?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 04/13/2006 04:12 PM
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Jamie Young - 12/4/2006  8:59 PM

How many Soyuz flights are there a year?

Two...

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Jamie Young - 12/4/2006  8:59 PM

Is there an increase expected over the coming years?

There will be three Soyuz flights a year from 2009...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: SimonShuttle on 04/18/2006 12:07 PM
What's the highest amount of Soyuz launches in a year? Everyone seems to be praising it, but two a year ain't much.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 04/18/2006 01:06 PM
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anik - 13/4/2006  6:12 PM
There will be three Soyuz flights a year from 2009...
What will be the purpose of the third mission? Will it enable an additional research sortie or will the expedition flight duration be reduced from six back to four months in which case a third Soyuz would be required?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ras391 on 04/18/2006 01:12 PM
I believe the idea is to increase the number of crew members on the ISS to six in 2009.  Thus the need for an additional Soyuz.  This way there will be two Soyuz attached to the ISS for emergencies.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Hotol on 04/19/2006 12:14 PM
A third by 2009 seems to ommit the Shuttle flying regular missions for 2009 and 2010?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Flightstar on 04/19/2006 02:56 PM
No, in addition to...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 05/05/2006 03:45 PM
Today at GCTC one of Russian cosmonauts has told to me and Sergey Shamsutdinov (from Novosti-kosmonavtiki magazine) about unofficial assignments of Russian cosmonauts in ISS Expeditions from 15 till 19... :)

Expedition 15 (prime/back-up) crews: Yurchikhin + Kotov / Romanenko + Korniyenko
Expedition 16 (prime/back-up) crews: Malenchenko / Kaleri (but Kaleri does not want to be a back-up again!)
Expedition 17 (prime/back-up) crews: Volkov + Kononenko / Krikalyov + Surayev (instead of Russian may be Canadian!)
Expedition 18 (prime/back-up) crews: Kaleri / Padalka
Expedition 19 (prime/back-up) crews: Krikalyov + Surayev / Sharipov + Skripochka (Krikalyov's seventh flight!)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 05/05/2006 04:00 PM
Krikalyov is becoming the Russian John Young :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 05/05/2006 05:39 PM
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anik - 5/5/2006  10:45 AM

Today at GCTC one of Russian cosmonauts has told to me and Sergey Shamsutdinov (from Novosti-kosmonavtiki magazine) about unofficial assignments of Russian cosmonauts in ISS Expeditions from 15 till 19... :)

Expedition 15 (prime/back-up) crews: Yurchikhin + Kotov / Romanenko + Korniyenko
Expedition 16 (prime/back-up) crews: Malenchenko / Kaleri (but Kaleri does not want to be a back-up again!)
Expedition 17 (prime/back-up) crews: Volkov + Kononenko / Krikalyov + Surayev (instead of Russian may be Canadian!)
Expedition 18 (prime/back-up) crews: Kaleri / Padalka
Expedition 19 (prime/back-up) crews: Krikalyov + Surayev / Sharipov + Skripochka (Krikalyov's seventh flight!)

Sergey Shamstudinov just wrote me, confirming this information. Also worth noting is that Expeditions 15, 16, and 17 will be on old model Soyuz TMAs (vehicles 220, 221 and 222). Expeditions 18 and 19 will be on the new model Soyuz TMA (vehicles 701 and 702).

The Soyuz TMA numerical designations will remain unchanged.

Dave

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: shuttlefan on 05/07/2006 04:16 PM
Anymore future ISS crews, including American crewmembers, named beyond Expediation 14?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: SMS on 05/08/2006 03:52 PM
see it, but not official yet:
http://astro.zeto.czest.pl/loty/isscrew1.htm  :)

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 05/09/2006 07:51 AM
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SMS - 8/5/2006  5:52 PM

see it, but not official yet:
http://astro.zeto.czest.pl/loty/isscrew1.htm  :)

Hey, I started learning Polish today. Niemcy is Germany (or Deutschland, as we say), right? And dublerzy refers to the back-up crew (Ersatzmannschaft). What about  ladowanie? Is that a landing (Landung)?

Whatever -- that's a good page.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Velomir on 05/09/2006 08:28 AM
ladowanie means landing

Greetings / Mit vielen Gruessen
Michal, Warsaw
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: subzero788 on 05/09/2006 01:27 PM
are there going to be any european long-duration stays (besides Reiter's) in the next couple of years?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: astropl on 05/09/2006 06:54 PM
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subzero788 - 9/5/2006  3:27 PM

are there going to be any european long-duration stays (besides Reiter's) in the next couple of years?

Frank De Winne, Leopold Eyharts, Andre Kuipers and Pedro Duque are in (unofficial) european ISS crewmembers pool. De Winne have chance to be a member of Expedition-20.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 05/15/2006 07:37 AM

BIG NEWS!

...well, at least I think it is -- for non-L2-members!

Attention, everybody -- www.spacefacts.de has new or updated flight crew assignments online. Some names have been circulating on L2, so I guess that the info is accurate. I have not yet seen a NASA news release confirming the assignments.

STS-118
Scott, Hobaugh, Mastracchio, Caldwell, Williams, Morgan + Andeson (ISS-15)

STS-120
Melroy, Zamka, Foreman, Parazynski, Wheelock, Nespoli

STS-122
Frick, Poindexter, Schlegel, Love, Walheim + Tani (ISS-16)

That's all there is with respect to the SSP. Here are some updated Expedition crews:

ISS-15
Yurchikhin, Kotov, Anderson

ISS-16
Whitson, Malenchenko, Tani

ISS-17
Volkov, Fincke, Kononenko

ISS-18
TBD, Kaleri, Thirsk

ISS-19
Krikalev, TBD, Surayev

www.spacefacts.de  also has back-up crews listed. And don't be afraid: although the project is run by two German speaking individuals, they have all their pages available in English, as well.

The original 2002 news release from NASA announcing the flight crews for STS-118, STS-119 and STS-120 can be found here.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 05/15/2006 08:20 AM

Uppsss -- I forgot a crew...

STS-117
Sturckow, Archambault, Swanson, Reilly, Forrester, Olivas

Half the original crew is now assigned to other flights: Polansky to STS-116, Mastracchio to STS-118 and Higginbotham to STS-116, as well.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: astropl on 05/15/2006 10:01 AM
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nethegauner - 15/5/2006  9:24 AM

STS-118 Scott, Hobaugh, Mastracchio, Caldwell, Williams, Morgan + Andeson (ISS-15)

Scott=Scott Kelly, not Winston Scott or David Scott, of course :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: astropl on 05/15/2006 10:05 AM
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nethegauner - 15/5/2006  9:24 AM

STS-122
Frick, Poindexter, Schlegel, Love, Walheim + Tani (ISS-16)

Leland Melvin is in that crew, too.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 05/15/2006 10:45 AM
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astropl - 15/5/2006  11:48 AM
Scott=Scott Kelly, not Winston Scott or David Scott, of course :)
Of course You are right!  ;)

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astropl - 15/5/2006  11:52 AM
Leland Melvin is in that crew, too.
Actually, I was surprised that 1E is now also a crew exchange mission. I thought the crew was limited to six due to weight constraints. Well, if it's seven and if it's Melvin -- fine: that's yet another 98er to get an assignment. Someone on L2 (as the assignments have entered public knowledge, I hope it is OK to mention some quotes from L2) said that Melvin's class would become busy. Seems correct -- Pontes was just the beginning...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 05/15/2006 02:40 PM
It's ironic, isn't it, that Pontes thought he would never fly and actually turned out to be the first 98er to go up!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 05/17/2006 05:49 PM
NASA FINALIZES CREWS FOR UPCOMING SHUTTLE MISSIONS

NASA has finalized crew assignments for two space shuttle missions
targeted for launch in 2007 to continue assembly of the International
Space Station.

Astronaut John D. Olivas will join the crew of shuttle mission
STS-117. Astronaut Tracy Caldwell will join the crew of shuttle
mission STS-118. Olivas and Caldwell will be making their first space
flights.

Astronaut Richard A. Mastracchio, previously assigned to STS-117, has
been reassigned to STS-118. Veteran shuttle flier and spacewalker
Scott Parazynski, previously assigned to STS-118, has left that crew
to prepare for assignment to another mission.

With the changes, the STS-117 crew is commanded by Marine Lt. Col.
Frederick W. Sturckow. The mission's pilot is Air Force Col. Lee J.
Archambault and the mission specialists are James F. Reilly II,
retired Army Col. Patrick G. Forrester, Joan E. Higginbotham, Steven
R. Swanson, and Olivas. STS-117 will deliver the second starboard
truss segment to the space station with the third set of U.S. solar
arrays, batteries and associated equipment.

STS-118 will be commanded by Navy Cmdr. Scott J. Kelly. The pilot will
be Marine Lt. Col. Charles O. Hobaugh. The mission specialists are
Canadian Space Agency astronaut Dr. Dafydd R. Williams, educator
astronaut Barbara R. Morgan, Mastracchio and Caldwell. STS-118 will
deliver to the station the third starboard truss segment; an external
stowage platform; and logistics and supplies in a SPACEHAB single
cargo module.

Olivas was born in North Hollywood, Calif., and raised in El Paso,
Texas. He received a bachelor's from the University of Texas-El Paso,
a master's from the University of Houston and a doctorate in
mechanical engineering from Rice University, Houston. Upon completing
his doctorate, Olivas worked as a senior research engineer at NASA's
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. He was selected as an
astronaut in 1998.

Caldwell was born in Arcadia, Calif. She received a bachelor's from
California State University in Fullerton and a doctorate in physical
chemistry from the University of California at Davis. She was
selected as an astronaut in 1998. Her assignments have included
spacecraft communicator in mission control, shuttle flight software
verification and support of shuttle launch and landing operations.

For complete astronaut biographical information, visit:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 05/17/2006 05:49 PM
NASA FINALIZES CREWS FOR UPCOMING SHUTTLE MISSIONS

NASA has finalized crew assignments for two space shuttle missions
targeted for launch in 2007 to continue assembly of the International
Space Station.

Astronaut John D. Olivas will join the crew of shuttle mission
STS-117. Astronaut Tracy Caldwell will join the crew of shuttle
mission STS-118. Olivas and Caldwell will be making their first space
flights.

Astronaut Richard A. Mastracchio, previously assigned to STS-117, has
been reassigned to STS-118. Veteran shuttle flier and spacewalker
Scott Parazynski, previously assigned to STS-118, has left that crew
to prepare for assignment to another mission.

With the changes, the STS-117 crew is commanded by Marine Lt. Col.
Frederick W. Sturckow. The mission's pilot is Air Force Col. Lee J.
Archambault and the mission specialists are James F. Reilly II,
retired Army Col. Patrick G. Forrester, Joan E. Higginbotham, Steven
R. Swanson, and Olivas. STS-117 will deliver the second starboard
truss segment to the space station with the third set of U.S. solar
arrays, batteries and associated equipment.

STS-118 will be commanded by Navy Cmdr. Scott J. Kelly. The pilot will
be Marine Lt. Col. Charles O. Hobaugh. The mission specialists are
Canadian Space Agency astronaut Dr. Dafydd R. Williams, educator
astronaut Barbara R. Morgan, Mastracchio and Caldwell. STS-118 will
deliver to the station the third starboard truss segment; an external
stowage platform; and logistics and supplies in a SPACEHAB single
cargo module.

Olivas was born in North Hollywood, Calif., and raised in El Paso,
Texas. He received a bachelor's from the University of Texas-El Paso,
a master's from the University of Houston and a doctorate in
mechanical engineering from Rice University, Houston. Upon completing
his doctorate, Olivas worked as a senior research engineer at NASA's
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. He was selected as an
astronaut in 1998.

Caldwell was born in Arcadia, Calif. She received a bachelor's from
California State University in Fullerton and a doctorate in physical
chemistry from the University of California at Davis. She was
selected as an astronaut in 1998. Her assignments have included
spacecraft communicator in mission control, shuttle flight software
verification and support of shuttle launch and landing operations.

For complete astronaut biographical information, visit:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 05/17/2006 08:04 PM
Nethegauner,

Presumably Tani has completed his Soyuz training successfully this time if he becomes a member of Expedition 16?

Interesting that STS-118, with the removal of Parazynski, now has NO EVA-experienced crew members on-board.

Why has Zamka been swapped for Poindexter on STS-120?

Thanks
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 05/17/2006 09:51 PM
NASA has issued a correction on the release today, removing Higginbotham from the release completely. She is still 116 as far as we know, not 117 as they accidentally said today.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 05/19/2006 07:36 AM
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Ben E - 17/5/2006  9:51 PM
Why has Zamka been swapped for Poindexter on STS-120?
That's a good question. Poindexter trained alongside Halsell for the Node-2 mission, while Melroy was training with Kenneth Ham at one point for ISS-ULF2 and later, I think, with Zamka for STS-120. Ham's name has not yet surfaced again.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 05/19/2006 11:54 AM
But if Melroy and Zamka were working together as a CDR-PLT team, why not give them STS-122 instead and keep Poindexter on a mission that he's been training to fly for nearly four years?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 05/19/2006 12:42 PM
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Ben E - 19/5/2006  1:41 PM
But if Melroy and Zamka were working together as a CDR-PLT team, why not give them STS-122 instead and keep Poindexter on a mission that he's been training to fly for nearly four years?
That's FCOD voodoo, I guess...  ;)

Maybe one of them insiders can shed some light on this issue -- either here or on L2.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 05/22/2006 09:20 PM
Any announcement yet on the Melroy and Frick crews?

Or are they still 'unofficial'?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 05/23/2006 09:12 AM
Just because an unassigned CDR and a PLT do sims together (Melroy and Ham), does not automatically mean they are going to be paired together on a flight. It might, but then again, it might not.

Also, re: Poindexter, it would be a big stretch to say he should have stayed on 120 because he trained "for four years" for that flight. After 107 crashed, almost all mission-specific training was halted, and when such training did resume, only the near-term crews did any kind of serious training (114, 121, 115, 116). 117 and 118 only recently resumed significant training. 120 was too far off in people's minds to be given any real consideration in this regard.

Dave

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 05/30/2006 10:43 PM
Interesting read:

http://sptimes.com/2006/05/21/Worldandnation/_Ready_for_blastoff__.shtml
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/19/2006 03:29 PM
This is now official with ESA:
ESA (European Space Agency) astronaut Paolo Nespoli has been assigned to the STS-120
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 06/19/2006 05:22 PM
June 19, 2006

Allard Beutel
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-4769

Doug Peterson
Johnson Space Center, Houston
281-483-5111

RELEASE: 06-242

NASA ASSIGNS CREW FOR SHUTTLE MISSION

NASA has assigned crew members to the space shuttle flight that will
launch an Italian-built U.S. module for the International Space
Station.

Air Force Col. Pamela A. Melroy will command the STS-120 mission to
take the Node 2 connecting module to the station. Melroy, a veteran
shuttle pilot, is the second woman to command a shuttle. Marine Corps
Col. George D. Zamka will serve as pilot. The flight's mission
specialists will be Scott E. Parazynski, Army Col. Douglas H.
Wheelock, Navy Capt. Michael J. Foreman and Paolo A. Nespoli, a
European Space Agency astronaut from Italy. Zamka, Wheelock, Foreman
and Nespoli will be making their first spaceflight.

STS-120 will be Melroy's third shuttle flight. The native of Palo
Alto, Calif., served as pilot of missions STS-92 in 2000 and STS-112
in 2002, both flights to the space station. Zamka, a native of Jersey
City, N.J., has a bachelor's from the U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolis,
Md., and a master's from the Florida Institute of Technology,
Melbourne, Fla.

Parazynski, who also considers Palo Alto, Calif., his hometown along
with Evergreen, Colo., will be making his fifth shuttle flight and is
a veteran spacewalker. Wheelock, a native of Windsor, N.Y., is a West
Point graduate with a master's from Georgia Tech, Atlanta. Foreman is
a Wadsworth, Ohio, native with a bachelor's and a master's from the
U.S. Naval Academy and the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey,
Calif. Nespoli is a native of Milan, Italy. He has a bachelor's and a
master's from the Polytechnic University of New York.

This crew announcement reflects reassignments of other astronauts to
other missions and to technical and management positions within NASA.

Video of the STS-120 crew members will air on NASA TV's Video File.
For schedules, downlink information and links to streaming video,
visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

For complete astronaut biographical information, visit:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios

For more information about space shuttle missions and crews, visit

http://www.nasa.gov/shuttle

   
-end-
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: shuttlefan on 06/25/2006 04:24 PM
Has it been formally decided by NASA that Sunita Williams will go up on STS-116 to stay for a long-duration ISS mission, STS-116 being the mission Thomas Reiter returns on ( obviously that's been decided!)? ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 06/25/2006 04:50 PM
Yes. http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006/may/HQ_06209_14th_ISS_crew.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: shuttlefan on 06/25/2006 06:23 PM
Thanks for the link to that press release, Ben!! :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Spiff on 08/01/2006 01:58 PM
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dcfowler1 - 5/5/2006  7:26 PM


Sergey Shamstudinov just wrote me, confirming this information. Also worth noting is that Expeditions 15, 16, and 17 will be on old model Soyuz TMAs (vehicles 220, 221 and 222). Expeditions 18 and 19 will be on the new model Soyuz TMA (vehicles 701 and 702).

The Soyuz TMA numerical designations will remain unchanged.

Dave


I was just reading some discussions on space.com about upgraded soyuz that suddenly made me remember this post. (How strange the mind works sometimes, this being 2 months old....) But anyway, that made me wonder. Does anyone know what the differences are between the current Soyuz TMA and the above mentioned new model Soyuz TMA?

Thanks in advance!
Spiff
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 08/01/2006 06:46 PM
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Spiff - 1/8/2006  5:45 PM

Does anyone know what the differences are between the current Soyuz TMA and the above mentioned new model Soyuz TMA?

Current Soyuz TMA has onboard systems, which were developed in 1960-70th years... Our enterprises are terminating the manufacture of old elements for these onboard systems... New Soyuz TMA will have less onboard systems... These onboard systems will be based on modern elements... For example, old Argon digital control system will be replaced by new TsVM-101 digital control system, old five separate radio engineering systems (command, telemetry, orbit control, voice, television) will be converted into single radio engineering system... New Soyuz TMA will fly aboard ISS within one year...

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TALsite on 08/01/2006 06:51 PM
Spiff:

New digital control systems
New telemetry system
New Russian approaching and docking system
Improved cooling system
Improved in orbit storage

Take a look at this link:
http://suzymchale.com/kosmonavtka/soyuz.html

Regards.
Carlos
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Spiff on 08/02/2006 12:22 PM
Thanks guys.
Major improvements. Especially the 1 year in orbit sounds good to me. :)
Now let's hope it works.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TALsite on 08/02/2006 05:28 PM
Now:
One ISS Exp. up = One Soyuz TMA up
One ISS Exp. down = One Soyuz TMA down

The increased lifetime in orbit it’s an advance, but then…

Could we expect less flights of TMA’s vehicles, and less flights opportunities for Russian cosmonauts?
anik?

Thanks and regards

Carlos
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 08/13/2006 06:10 PM
I wonder if the two Group 19 Pilots, Randy Bresnik and Jim Dutton, will ever actually fly on the space shuttle or will go straight onto CEV, which is (after all) what they were mainly selected for. With the recent announcement of the STS-122 (Frick) crew, there may be as few as ten shuttle crews left to be named before the program is terminated in 2010. By my reckoning there are three Group 17 pilots still to be assigned to flights – the two Gregory Johnsons (C and H!) and Kenneth Ham – and seven Group 18 pilots. Now, 3 + 7 = 10, so that might well be it. Of course, those figures also assume that none of the Group 17 pilots fly twice in the “Pilot” position.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 08/14/2006 08:16 AM
I think that Hobaugh will be the last astronaut to fly twice in the PLT's seat. With Bowersox' comment that the general rule-of-thumb will be 4 flights per astronaut, I would guess Lindsey and Jett have seen/will be seeing their final flights shortly. I think the Group 17 PLTs will all fly their second missions as CDR. It's strange in a way that, right at the end of Shuttle operations, NASA's reverting to its original, pre-51L practice of flying once as PLT, then receiving a CDR slot.

Who knows? Maybe some of the Group 19 PLTs will get ISS Expeditions, although Jim Dutton is currently working on CEV cockpit displays. Scott Kelly trained for one for a while, and I'm sure Eric Boe, Ron Garan and Terry Virts were doing generic ISS Expedition training at one point, although I could be wrong. I've tried (!) using NEEMO crews as an index of possible future ISS Expedition crew members, which might also remove Reisman, Chamitoff, Magnus, Barratt, Feustel etc from the Shuttle crew mix. Maybe if some of them fly ISS Expeditions, going up via Soyuz, there may still be enough seats for all of Group 19.

Of course, Parazynski, Grunsfeld and Gernhardt will be flying their fifth missions. Obviously Bowersox and Rommel want to keep us guessing ;-)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 08/23/2006 11:45 AM
Yes, I’d noticed that a number of sources still list Mike Gernhardt on STS-119 but I haven’t seen Grunsfeld mentioned anywhere. HST Servicing Mission perhaps (if approved)?

Re Group 19 Pilots. I guess there’s always the possibility that in the absence of enough “pilot” seats, Bresnik and Dutton could fly as Mission Specialists. That happened back in the early 1990s with Readdy & McMonagle and Cockrell & Precourt (and pre-Challenger with Steve Nagel and the late David Griggs). Probably unlikely though; Dutton looks a good bet for the first Manned CEV Flight – whenever that occurs!

What do you think the likelihood of the four “veteran” Group 15 Commanders (i.e. Altman, Ashby, Bloomfield and Gorie) flying again is? They’ve only made three flights each so are all potentially eligible for a fourth but could still miss out in favour of the younger guys. I think Ashby is currently based at Colorado Springs as NASA/USAF liaison, and the others seem to hold quite senior positions within the Astronaut Office.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: astronut7 on 08/23/2006 09:24 PM
I think that Astronauts Gorie, Ashby, Altman, Bloomfield and yes even Melroy may get their fouth flights.  Steve Lindsey just completed his fourth flight and I think you will see other group-15 pilots get their second command on a shuttle flight.  I do realize that Melroy is in training for STS-120 but after that flight she could still be selected for another flight.  I have talked to Scott Altman and he is very interested in flying another shuttle flight.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 08/23/2006 09:41 PM
That'd be good :)   Of course, Rick Sturckow might feel left out  ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: astronut7 on 08/23/2006 09:55 PM
I'm sorry I forgot about Rick Sturckow.  He would be eligible for another assignment after his STS-117 mission.  That way all of the group-15 pilot astronauts would each have four shuttle flights, except for Rick Husband.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 08/23/2006 11:49 PM
aurora899,
I think the PLTs you mentioned flying as MS2s on their first flights did so on dual-shift missions (ie Spacelab or, in McMonagle's case, a dual-shift DoD flight). Okay, yes, I've just realised that Nagel's first flight (STS-51G) wasn't dual shift - perhaps that was just George Abbey trying to add more confusion to those of us who try to predict crew assignments!

I think with so many eligible MS candidates, all PLT astronauts will fly as PLTs and CDRs.

Incidentally, if Bloomfield is the new Deputy Director of Flight Crew Operations, what has happened to the former incumbent, Ellen Ochoa. Flight assignment pending, maybe? HST, perhaps? She has extensive RMS experience...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 08/24/2006 01:07 AM
Ben, I believe Ellen has replaced Ken Bowersox as Director as Sox will move to a Center Staff position in October.  That's per CollectSpace.com.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 08/24/2006 01:20 PM
Thanks DwightM, just checked collectspace and saw it.

Anyone know if Kavandi stays put as deputy chief?

In order of 'rank', is Bloomfield's post more senior than Lindsey's?

Thanks
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 08/24/2006 01:45 PM
yes
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 08/25/2006 11:59 AM
Hi,
Spacefacts is now listing Sandra Magnus as Dan Tani's back-up for ISS Expedition 16.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 08/25/2006 01:04 PM
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aurora899 - 25/8/2006  1:46 PM

Hi,
Spacefacts is now listing Sandra Magnus as Dan Tani's back-up for ISS Expedition 16.
Yes, but they've been listing her for quite a while. What I did not know is that Charmitof (did I write that the correct way?) is also an ISS back-up now...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 08/25/2006 04:43 PM
Chamitoff had previously been listed as a support crew-type person for this flight by NASA. The latest news from NK shows him replacing Reisman as backup on the flight.

Dave

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 08/25/2006 06:04 PM
Apparently, an ESA source is suggesting that Leopald Eyharts could "bump" Tani from ISS Expedition 16. Anyone know anything about that?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 08/25/2006 06:35 PM
I can only say that a well-connected ESA person has told me that, but I have not yet seen it in print.

Dave

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 08/26/2006 10:01 AM
By my reckoning, all of the Group 16 Mission Specialists have either now flown or are preparing for flights with the exception of Frank Caldeiro and Yvonne Cagle. They’re still both listed as active but appear to have been over-looked. Anyone know why?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 08/28/2006 07:39 PM
Ben E wrote on 05/11/2005:

Yes, the 'firsts' are by no means all monopolised by Air Force personnel:

Al Shepard - first American in space - was Navy etc.
 
As for Shuttle Commanders, of the 114 missions flown so far (including 51L and STS-114), Air Force and Navy are neck-and-neck:

* 44 Shuttle missions have been led by an active Air Force officer
* 44 Shuttle missions have been led by an active Navy officer

I wouldn't be surprised if there's some good-natured rivalry in there somewhere, though...


Hi Ben,
There has also been a degree of bad-natured rivalry between the US Air Force and NASA pretty much since the agency’s inception. Your 50/50 split between USAF and USN Shuttle Commanders (I haven’t included the other figures) is probably unsurprising given that most astronaut pilot intakes were split along similar lines, with the odd US Marine (or civilian test pilot) sneaking in. But if you were to do your analysis on Chief Astronauts, you might fight that there is a certain bias towards the US Navy (or rather against USAF). I have to be honest and say that I don’t know whether Al Shepard was Chief Astronaut continuously from 1963 to 1974 when John Young took over (someone must presumably have at least covered his duties whilst he was training for, and flew, on Apollo 14). If the sequence is something like Shepard, ?, Young, Brandenstein, Gibson, Cabana, Cockrell, Precourt, Rominger then I reckon that Charlie Precourt is the only USAF officer to have served as Chief Astronaut! Cabana was USMC, of course, but even “civilian” Ken Cockrell had a Navy background! As I said, I’m not entirely sure about the late 1960s/early 1970s and I’m more than happy for someone to correct me but even if there is a missing USAF officer in there, it doesn’t really change the overall picture i.e. NASA favours the US Navy over the US Air Force.
Regards,
David.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 08/29/2006 02:47 PM
I'm not sure if Deke Slayton (at the time still US Air Force) might have been the first Chief Astronaut, before Shepard.

Didn't Dave Leestma (US Navy Captain) serve as acting Chief in the months between Brandenstein's retirement (Oct 1992) and the start of Gibson's tenure (Dec 1992)? Admittedly, he was Navy, but I think as a former Mission Specialist he marked the first non-CDR or PLT to head the office, albeit temporarily. Think all the other chiefs have been PLTs.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 08/30/2006 11:37 AM
Hi Ben,
I’ve just looked up Deke Slayton’s official bio and it states that he became “Co-ordinator of Astronaut Activities” in September 1962 and “was responsible for the operation of the astronaut office”. In November 1963, he assumed the role of Director, Flight Crew Operations. Shepard’s bio states that he was designated Chief of the Astronaut Office around the same time (i.e.1963), so it may well be that the position was only created around that time. I guess you could argue that from 1962-1963 Slayton was effectively Chief Astronaut in all but name.
I’m not sure about Leestma. I thought he was only ever Deputy Director or Director of FCO (acting or otherwise!). To be honest, I’m not too worried about “acting” chiefs, particularly if their tenures were quite short such as Mike Coats, who covered for Dan Brandenstein whilst he prepared for STS-32. Having said that, Coats was Navy as well….
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 08/30/2006 01:51 PM
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/leestma.html

"From February 1990 to September 1991, when he started training for his third space mission, Leestma served as Deputy Director of Flight Crew Operations. Following this flight, he served as Deputy Chief and acting Chief of the Astronaut Office. Leestma was selected as the Director, Flight Crew Operations Directorate, in November 1992."

Is there a rule that Chief Astronauts have to be veteran CDRs? Mike Mullane alludes to it in 'Riding Rockets'. Or has it just been a remarkable coincidence?

Is there any rationale behind choosing them? Do they volunteer? Are they chosen because they've just flown a particularly 'pivotal' mission?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 08/30/2006 01:56 PM
office politics.   You have to realize the astronaut office isn't any special.  Stand back and look at it like any other organization (which it is) and it acts like any organization.  There might be some military influences in the way the office was set up.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spaceshuttle on 08/30/2006 05:24 PM
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aurora899 - 28/8/2006  2:26 PM

Hi Ben,
There has also been a degree of bad-natured rivalry between the US Air Force and NASA pretty much since the agency’s inception. Your 50/50 split between USAF and USN Shuttle Commanders (I haven’t included the other figures) is probably unsurprising given that most astronaut pilot intakes were split along similar lines, with the odd US Marine (or civilian test pilot) sneaking in. But if you were to do your analysis on Chief Astronauts, you might fight that there is a certain bias towards the US Navy (or rather against USAF). I have to be honest and say that I don’t know whether Al Shepard was Chief Astronaut continuously from 1963 to 1974 when John Young took over (someone must presumably have at least covered his duties whilst he was training for, and flew, on Apollo 14). If the sequence is something like Shepard, ?, Young, Brandenstein, Gibson, Cabana, Cockrell, Precourt, Rominger then I reckon that Charlie Precourt is the only USAF officer to have served as Chief Astronaut! Cabana was USMC, of course, but even “civilian” Ken Cockrell had a Navy background! As I said, I’m not entirely sure about the late 1960s/early 1970s and I’m more than happy for someone to correct me but even if there is a missing USAF officer in there, it doesn’t really change the overall picture i.e. NASA favours the US Navy over the US Air Force.
Regards,
David.

i found this from http://collectspace.com/ubb/Forum38/HTML/000445.html

Deke Slayton(sept1, 1962-Nov.1963)
Alan Shepard(Nov1963-July 1969)
Tom Stafford(July 1969-June 1971)
Alan Shepard(June1971-Aug 1, 1974)
John Young(Jan 14, 1974-April 15, 1987) His deputy was Paul Weitz.
Dan Brandenstein(April 27, 1987-Oct 1992) His Deputy was Steven Hawley.
Robert Gibson(Dec.8,1992-Sept. 6, 1994) His deputy was Linda Godwin.
Robert Cabana(Sept. 6, 1994-Oct. 1997) His deputy was Linda Godwin.
Ken Cockrell(Oct.1997-Oct. 1998)
Charlie Precourt(Oct.1998-?) His deputy was Kent Rominger.
Kent Rominger(?-Sept. 2006) His deputies were A. Thomas and P.Whitson.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 08/30/2006 06:39 PM
Space Shuttle wrote: I found this from http://collectspace.com/ubb/Forum38/HTML/000445.html

Deke Slayton(sept1, 1962-Nov.1963)
Alan Shepard(Nov1963-July 1969)
Tom Stafford(July 1969-June 1971)
Alan Shepard(June1971-Aug 1, 1974)

So Tom Stafford is the missing one! And he was actually USAF wasn’t he? The Air Force is gaining ground! I still say there’s a distinctly Navy bias though.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 08/30/2006 06:39 PM
Jim wrote: office politics. You have to realize the astronaut office isn't any special. Stand back and look at it like any other organization (which it is) and it acts like any organization.

Do you know, you’re absolutely right. And that filters through into flight crew selection as well. Shuttle crews aren’t just based on who’s next in line and whose individual skill sets might meet a particular mission’s needs. It’s also about who’s in favour, and who’s lobbying on so and so’s behalf.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spacedreams on 08/30/2006 08:13 PM

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aurora899 - 30/8/2006 11:26 AM Jim wrote: office politics. You have to realize the astronaut office isn't any special. Stand back and look at it like any other organization (which it is) and it acts like any organization. Do you know, you’re absolutely right. And that filters through into flight crew selection as well. Shuttle crews aren’t just based on who’s next in line and whose individual skill sets might meet a particular mission’s needs. It’s also about who’s in favour, and who’s lobbying on so and so’s behalf.

 

True, and also factor in who was willing to do an ISS rotation to earn their shuttle slot. And the "oh no, we hired too many astronauts and we should probably fly them since we included that in their job description, and let's bring some more on board to satisfy PAO in the meantime. We don't need no stinkin experienced or technical guys, we need more "normal" people" type mentality too.

Reason should not be applied if you are trying to figure out crew assignments and nowadays nothing is written in ink, not even months before flight.  

Just for some perspective, at one point Bill Mcarthur was supposed to be ISS commander of a three man crew (I think Valeri and Suni were supposed to be the other two)for INC-9 that was supposed to do some of the solar array configuration during the STS-115 stage .................

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 08/31/2006 11:37 AM
This does raise the question of who ultimately decides on the make-up of a shuttle crew. Clearly, Bowersox, Rominger - and maybe their respective deputies - sit down and select, or perhaps we should say, “recommend”, a crew. But how many layers of upper management does it then have to pass through? Does it land on the desk of the JSC Center Director, for example? I’m sure I read an article in “Flight International” some years ago which suggested that final approval has to come from NASA HQ in Washington DC.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 09/02/2006 08:23 AM
Hi,
Apparently "Florida Today" is now reporting that both Bowersox AND Rominger will be leaving their respective positions, the latter to pursue a career in private industry. As expected, Ellen Ochoa will succeed Bowersox as Director, Flight Crew Operations whilst Steve Lindsey will be the new Chief Astronaut.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 09/04/2006 05:28 PM
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aurora899 - 31/8/2006  6:24 AM

This does raise the question of who ultimately decides on the make-up of a shuttle crew. Clearly, Bowersox, Rominger - and maybe their respective deputies - sit down and select, or perhaps we should say, “recommend”, a crew. But how many layers of upper management does it then have to pass through? Does it land on the desk of the JSC Center Director, for example? I’m sure I read an article in “Flight International” some years ago which suggested that final approval has to come from NASA HQ in Washington DC.


Since 1987, when Brandenstein succeeded Young as chief astro, flight assignments are proposed by the chief astronaut and submitted to the director, flight crew operations, for initial approval.  They are then passed by the director of JSC and whoever happens to be head of Shuttle/Station at HQ, for final approval.  In practice, it is the chief astro and director, FCOPS, who make the assignments.  Depending on who is head of JSC, the selections are routinely approved -- or repeatedly sent back for adjustment.  ;)

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 09/04/2006 05:30 PM
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aurora899 - 30/8/2006  6:24 AM

I’ve just looked up Deke Slayton’s official bio and it states that he became “Co-ordinator of Astronaut Activities” in September 1962 and “was responsible for the operation of the astronaut office”. In November 1963, he assumed the role of Director, Flight Crew Operations. Shepard’s bio states that he was designated Chief of the Astronaut Office around the same time (i.e.1963), so it may well be that the position was only created around that time. I guess you could argue that from 1962-1963 Slayton was effectively Chief Astronaut in all but name.

I can tell you that Deke thought of himself as the first chief astronaut.

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 09/10/2006 09:59 AM
Re Bowersox and Rominger departing

This raises an interesting point. If the maximum four flight rule was largely a Bowersox/Rominger initiative, could an Ochoa/Lindsey partnership see a change in policy? I suspect that the short answer is probably not because the rationale behind the rule (i.e. to ensure that as many of the newer, younger astronauts get shuttle flights before the program ends) is basically sound. But it will be interesting to see how it pans out.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 09/11/2006 03:34 PM
I can't see it changing, because there simply won't be enough flight opportunities in the next decade. Besides, if you look back historically, most astronauts retire after three or four flights anyway. There's only a handful that stick around for five or six, so presumably they can cater for Parazynski, Gernhardt and Grunsfeld who want to fly again.

A query: Wilcutt and Halsell were removed from their STS-116 and STS-120 commands a few years ago. Does anyone know if they were 'asked' to step down by management or were they 'obliged' to resign their posts?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 09/11/2006 06:38 PM
Both Wilcutt and Halsell were asked to vacate to make way for less experienced PLTs. I understand that Wilcutt went without much fuss, but that Halsell put up a fight.

Dave

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 09/11/2006 08:32 PM
Dave,

So why have Parazynski and Gernhardt been allowed to 'keep' their fifth flights? Too few MS candidates with EVA experience?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spacedreams on 09/11/2006 10:12 PM
Pilots/commanders are onloan from the military. They have to follow "orders". Parazynski and Gernhardt on the other hand are civilian NASA employees. Sure, their bosses could unassign them but that is unlikely to happen. Besides, those two are very well connected.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 09/12/2006 03:27 AM
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spacedreams - 11/9/2006  4:59 PM

Pilots/commanders are onloan from the military. They have to follow "orders". Parazynski and Gernhardt on the other hand are civilian NASA employees. Sure, their bosses could unassign them but that is unlikely to happen. Besides, those two are very well connected.

Nonsense.  Wilcutt was a civilian at the time of his unassignment, and Halsell certainly was by the time it took effect.

As for Parazynski and Gernhardt, both are highly-experienced EVA specialists.   Don't look for a "rule" when what you're seeing is a "guideline".

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 09/12/2006 06:39 AM
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spacedreams - 11/9/2006  11:59 PM

Pilots/commanders are onloan from the military. They have to follow "orders". Parazynski and Gernhardt on the other hand are civilian NASA employees. Sure, their bosses could unassign them but that is unlikely to happen. Besides, those two are very well connected.
Sorry, but Your post does not make much sense, I'm afraid...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 09/12/2006 02:00 PM
Yes, I'm sure Wilcutt and Halsell are both retired military. It seems ludicrous, regardless of the 'amount' of flight assignments remaining, why they'd knock highly-experienced guys like those two off pivotal missions at such relatively short notice.

Mike, your comment about rule vs guideline: suppose either Jett or Tanner came off STS-115 and wanted to fly again. Would such a wish be countenanced or would the reaction be "Sorry, you're too old/got too many flights"?

Parazynski and Gernhardt - "well connected"? I'm intrigued! Pray tell more.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spacedreams on 09/12/2006 05:44 PM


Sorry, I just work with the crew on a regular basis.  Surely the folks here who read the internet all day know a heck of a lot more than I do.

Both Wilcutt and Halsell are active military. If you don't believe me read their bios. http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio_activemgmt.html . There would be a RET after their military rank if they were retired. Look at Jeff Ashby's bio and you will see he is retired from the Navy but considered active in the astronaut core.

And yes, if Jett or Tanner came off this flight and wanted to fly again they would be told politely no, sorry no more than four flights allowed until everyone else gets at least one. I know this, we've talked about it. Other very good crew has already been told the same. They will have a choice of either retiring quietly like Susan Helms or Leroy Chiao did or staying at NASA as an "active" astronaut in a managerial role for the love of the job and with a very slim chance that they may get chosen again like John Young did until he just recently retired two years ago.

The pilots and commanders who are active military really don't have as much control of their destiny. They pretty much go where they are told. They report to both NASA and their branch of the military.  Paul Lockhart was an excellent pilot who stepped in at the last minute on STS-113 when Loria was removed. Where is he now? (and where is Loria now?) . I think Polansky is actually an exception to the military pilot/commander rule but he quit the military to work at NASA before he was selected and trained the crew how to fly before he was selected so it was special circumstances.  Tanner had a similar situation but he was only selected as mission specialist

There is a little more freedom in what is done with non-military mission specialists. They can pretty much hang around as long as they want and they only have to report to NASA management. They have a lot more latitude than the military guys . The retired military guys are pretty much in the same boat with only having to report to NASA.

As for the Parazynski and Gernhardt situation there were a few factors. Most significantly, the 4 flight rule was made after they were assigned and the MS's that were already assigned were pretty much allowed to finish up their assignments. They are not as harsh with the MS slots. Yes, they both have good EVA experience but that wasn't much of a factor. If it was why would they move Scott P from a somewhat difficult EVA flight, 13A.1,  and leave them with two EVA rookies and put him on a very easy EVA flight. And look at STS-114 which ended up to be a very difficult EVA flight with two rookies that they had plenty of opportunities to modify the crew and they left an experienced EVA guy in Thomas on the inside. And if EVA experience was important they would be giving guys like Tanner, Chiao, Ross, L-A, and Beamer all the flights they want. I'm telling you, crew selection does not follow a logical process.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 09/12/2006 09:00 PM
Sorry, but you're wrong. Both Wilcutt and Halsell are retired, from the Marine Corps and Air Force, respectively. NASA bios are notorious for being inaccurate, incomplete and out-of-date.

In fact, if you look at the Astronaut Fact Book, dated January 2005, you will see (Ret) next to their ranks. Please try and do a little research before you pull the trigger.

Dave




Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 09/12/2006 10:03 PM
Does anyone know who the current candidates are for ISS missions? I did hear some time ago that there were a lack of 'takers' and that people with four flights or more might get another shot if they accepted an ISS increment. Don't know how true that might be.

The names I've got for ISS expeditions (US crew members) are: Mike Lopez-Alegria, Suni Williams, Clay Anderson, Dan Tani (I think), Peggy Whitson, Garrett Reisman, Mike Fincke, Greg Chamitoff and Sandy Magnus. I've also seen Patrick, Behnken, Feustel, Barratt and Marshburn mentioned, but am not sure. Are NEEMO assignments a reliable predictor of who will do expeditions?

Does anyone know of any others in 'generic' increment training or assigned as backups/primes for upcoming missions?

Thanks
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: tonyq on 09/12/2006 10:20 PM
Nicole Stott has also featured in previous lists of potential ISS expedition members and did a NEEMO earlier this year, so she should be added to you list.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: MKremer on 09/12/2006 10:48 PM
If I can just interject -

I'm just happy Pammy Melroy has a chance to command a mission. :)   Besides Eileen Collins (who should be a hero to most women regardless), she's the best thing NASA currently has going to encourage young women to reach for their dreams and not be intimidate by the usual male-dominated culture.

I would guess she's reluctant to be put in the spotlight, but even as a guy I've admired her (like Eileen) for her dedication to her chosen career, and succeeding despite that 'glass ceiling' that most women have to deal with.

(I do hope more women are encouraged to apply and be accepted into space-centric companies; and that there are more and more women who won't settle for less than being at the leading edge of space development and exploration) :)


Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 09/12/2006 11:05 PM
I'm not sure if the NEEMO assignments translate directly to an ISS increment assignment.  Dave Williams, Scott Kelly, & Michael Gernhardt have done 2 shifts each and they haven't been assigned to one (thought they're all assigned to a shuttle flight).  Karen Nyberg, Tim Kopra, & Tim Creamer have done, or are doing, NEEMO shifts, but I've no idea whether they're in training for ISS missions.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Penguin Tech on 09/13/2006 12:44 AM
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MKremer - 12/9/2006  6:35 PM

If I can just interject -

I'm just happy Pammy Melroy has a chance to command a mission. :)   Besides Eileen Collins (who should be a hero to most women regardless), she's the best thing NASA currently has going to encourage young women to reach for their dreams and not be intimidate by the usual male-dominated culture.

I would guess she's reluctant to be put in the spotlight, but even as a guy I've admired her (like Eileen) for her dedication to her chosen career, and succeeding despite that 'glass ceiling' that most women have to deal with.

(I do hope more women are encouraged to apply and be accepted into space-centric companies; and that there are more and more women who won't settle for less than being at the leading edge of space development and exploration) :)



It is very interesting that you should say that- the part about more women being encouraged.  As a female currently working in the space industry, specifically the space shuttle program, I would not encourage other girls to follow in my footsteps because it is still too difficult of a path to take.  I can tell you that it is not easy for us at all, and pretty much every woman I know that works in the industry has several horror stories to tell.  I am not talking small things, either.  I am talking major discrimination, intimidation, harrasment, and so on.  None of us (that I know) are easily offended or intimidated- we do anything and everything we can to fit in, be accepted and show our competence, but this industry is so very behind the times it is like we have gone back to the 1950s.  And despite all the laws to protect against this kind of thing happening, it still does happen on a daily basis and there are no consequences for those who perpetuate it as there is a big network of good ol' boys in place to protect them.  I could start a whole other thread (or even a book!) on the topic of women in aerospace, but I'll leave it at that.  Comments are welcome.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Do Shuttles Dream on 09/13/2006 01:07 AM
You should start a new thread as I want to work in the space program, but that is so demoralizing.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 09/16/2006 10:37 AM
Sounds as though Joe Tanner is resigned to not flying again judging by his comments at the end of yesterday's EVA:

"Well I guess this is it for me, huh?" he said.

"Yep. The sun goes down on an era," replied Heidemarie Stefanyshn-Piper.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 09/16/2006 11:32 AM
Well after Collins Melroy and Still, there hasn't been many women pilots selected in the following groups (1998, 2000, 2004)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 09/16/2006 04:58 PM
>I could start a whole other thread (or even a book!) on the topic of women in aerospace, but I'll leave it at that. Comments are welcome.

You should also check out the "All Female Space Shuttle Crew" thread in the Historical Spaceflight section. That contains some relevant stuff as well.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: MKremer on 09/16/2006 05:12 PM
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aurora899 - 16/9/2006  5:24 AM

Sounds as though Joe Tanner is resigned to not flying again judging by his comments at the end of yesterday's EVA:

"Well I guess this is it for me, huh?" he said.

Ask him again in another few weeks. :)

If he wants to stay with the program and be a MS for a future flight (along with being a tutor and MS mentor), I'd imagine NASA management would jump at the opportunity to select him for an EVA MS.
That said, I do think it probably could be his last flight.

I do hope, though, that Heidi (if she wants to) will get the chance at another future assembly mission flight. With her Navy diving experience, and now EVA experience, IMO she would be awesome as an EVA lead MS.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 09/16/2006 05:17 PM
I was rather shocked to hear the news about former astronaut Charles Brady. I'd read that he'd died a couple of months ago, according to some sources from an "extended illness". However, I've just received my latest copy of "Spaceflight" magazine and it is reporting that Brady died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.


Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: MKremer on 09/16/2006 06:33 PM
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aurora899 - 16/9/2006  12:04 PM
I was rather shocked to hear the news about former astronaut Charles Brady. I'd read that he'd died a couple of months ago,

There's a couple of threads already about his death - do a site search for "Brady" to find them.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 09/17/2006 06:09 AM
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aurora899 - 16/9/2006  12:04 PM

I was rather shocked to hear the news about former astronaut Charles Brady. I'd read that he'd died a couple of months ago, according to some sources from an "extended illness". However, I've just received my latest copy of "Spaceflight" magazine and it is reporting that Brady died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.



Local press reports from Washington state in fact indicate that he did not shoot himself; he was carrying a knife at the time; In any case, there is another thread.

Dave

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 09/17/2006 10:03 AM
>I do hope, though, that Heidi (if she wants to) will get the chance at another future assembly mission flight. With her Navy diving experience, and now EVA experience, IMO she would be awesome as an EVA lead MS.

Yes, I’m sure that Heidemarie will fly again, probably within two years. It seems to be NASA policy to give the Group 16 Mission Specialists “early” second flights, even at the expense of some of the older guys. I know that Steve Lindsey was particularly impressed with his two “robochicks”, namely Lisa Nowak and Stephanie Wilson, on STS-121 and I expect to see them assigned to missions again in the not too distant future – especially as Lindsey is now the Chief Astronaut!
I think that the STS-122/Columbus crew is very, very typical of how the remaining shuttle crews will look, with a first-time Commander (Frick), a rookie Pilot (Poindexter), a second time Group 16 Mission Specialist (Walheim), two newbies (Melvin and Love) and an International Mission Specialist, whether Canadian, Japanese or European (Schlegel). That’s not to say that there’ll still be the occasional second-time Commander (Gorie and Altman etc.?) and the “lead” Mission Specialist could still come from Group 14/15 or even be a second-time flyer from Group 17. Interestingly, STS-122 sees a return to repeat pairings i.e. Frick/Walheim, who flew on STS-110 together. Perhaps we will see either Nowak or Wilson on a Mark Kelly-led crew during 2008.
We must only be a few weeks away from learning who the STS-123/Kibo JEM crew will be. Takao Doi has already been assigned but I’m not aware of any other crew members yet, unless anyone has some inside information?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 09/17/2006 12:23 PM
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aurora899 - 17/9/2006  5:50 AM
I think that the STS-122/Columbus crew is very, very typical of how the remaining shuttle crews will look, with a first-time Commander (Frick), a rookie Pilot (Poindexter), a second time Group 16 Mission Specialist (Walheim), two newbies (Melvin and Love) and an International Mission Specialist, whether Canadian, Japanese or European (Schlegel).

no.  You can't make any generalization of crew selection.  It never follows any "rules" or patterns
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spaceshuttle on 09/17/2006 12:24 PM
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Ben E - 12/9/2006  4:50 PM

Does anyone know who the current candidates are for ISS missions? I did hear some time ago that there were a lack of 'takers' and that people with four flights or more might get another shot if they accepted an ISS increment. Don't know how true that might be.

The names I've got for ISS expeditions (US crew members) are: Mike Lopez-Alegria, Suni Williams, Clay Anderson, Dan Tani (I think), Peggy Whitson, Garrett Reisman, Mike Fincke, Greg Chamitoff and Sandy Magnus. I've also seen Patrick, Behnken, Feustel, Barratt and Marshburn mentioned, but am not sure. Are NEEMO assignments a reliable predictor of who will do expeditions?

Does anyone know of any others in 'generic' increment training or assigned as backups/primes for upcoming missions?

Thanks

Peg may go up AGAIN? this may make her the first astronaut to do 2 iss missions...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 09/17/2006 12:35 PM
long duration missions are not a favorite of the astronaut office.   Example, it was the only way Dave Wolf got a flight
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 09/17/2006 02:24 PM
I thought Bob Thirsk was already supposed to be on STS-123 ?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 09/17/2006 03:03 PM
>I thought Bob Thirsk was already supposed to be on STS-123 ?

I'm not aware of that although you might be right. I've just checked his official NASA bio (which has recently been updated) and it states that he is now in training for an ISS Expedition Crew.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 09/17/2006 10:06 PM
I'm sure Sandy Magnus has done some work on the SPDM Dextre that will be aboard STS-123. I know she's also training for an increment, but maybe she will get a shot at STS-123 as well? Or perhaps Julie Payette?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 09/18/2006 07:16 AM
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Jim - 17/9/2006  2:22 PM

long duration missions are not a favorite of the astronaut office.   Example, it was the only way Dave Wolf got a flight
Was a long duration mission also offered to Mark Lee? Never heard again of him following his deletion from the STS-98 crew due to "conduct unbecoming of an astronaut"...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 09/18/2006 10:08 AM
Not sure about Mark Lee. Where did you hear that?

"Conduct unbecoming of an astronaut". I heard that about Lee's removal from STS-98, too. Any more info? I heard a rumour it had something to do with his separation from Jan Davis.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 09/18/2006 10:52 AM
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Ben E - 18/9/2006  11:55 AM

Not sure about Mark Lee. Where did you hear that?

"Conduct unbecoming of an astronaut". I heard that about Lee's removal from STS-98, too. Any more info? I heard a rumour it had something to do with his separation from Jan Davis.
Jan Davis? No, I don't think so. I didn't even know that the STS-47 honeymooners split up...

I remember NASA Watch reporting that Lee's deletion from the STS-98 roster resulted from a dispute with George Abbey, a.k.a. Darth Vader. They fought over the design of a space suit for short astronauts. Lee was involved in that design process representing the astronaut office. He was also withdrawn from that task and later tried to gain back his seat on STS-98 -- without success.

Officially, NASA considered his removal as "non-punitive" -- once more greatly enhancing my English vocabulary...

Must have been quite a fight over that EMU design if it led to Lee being kicked off STS-98 -- but Abbey has been known for drastic measurements...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 09/18/2006 11:57 AM
Lee's removal from STS-98 came at about the same time that his split from Jan Davis was made public, and I know that a number of commentators did link the two events (either rightly or wrongly). He did appeal against the decision and, I believe, Jim Wetherbee (who was the Director, Flight Crew Operations at the time) presided over his appeal hearing, but the original "punishment" stood. It does seem odd if it was only over space suit design, unless there was a stormy meeting in which Lee told Abbey where exactly he could stick his space suit!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Stevo on 09/18/2006 12:17 PM
You wonder if Lee's removal from STS-98 was Abbey's revenge on Lee for roasting him at his going away party as the Director of Flight Crew Operations, as described in "Riding Rockets" by Mike Mullane. Apparently Lee emceed the event and concluded his remarks with "And for those of you who might be feeling a lump in the throat and getting all misty-eyed thinking about George leaving... just remember what an a$$hole he can be!" According to Mullane, as everyone cheered and laughed, Abbey smirked with a look of "...I'll get even with these traitorous *#@!heads if it's the last thing I ever do."

May seem far-fetched but you can't help but wonder given some of the other stories relating to Abbey and the astronaut office over the years.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: oscar71 on 09/18/2006 04:06 PM
I've learned that Shannon Lucid is doing some capcom work, is this indicative of an impending flight assignment?  It would be kind of cool to have Hawley, Lucid and Fisher fly one last mission together seeing as how they are the only members of the 1978 astronaut class to still be active astronauts.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 09/18/2006 04:33 PM
Let's assign crews based only on which astronauts class they are from.  Let's go further and assignment crews based on same school, same military service, same sex, same age, same nation, same race, etc, just because it would be cool.  

Astronaut class date is meaningless.  

They are just people.  Do other vocations make a big deal of "selection" or "graduation" class/date?  No.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spacedreams on 09/18/2006 04:42 PM
Mr. Abbey was never the type of guy to explain decisions. He and Mark did clash on the small EVA suit issue. That was a heated argument on many levels that I just can't go into here. Jan Davis was well liked by everyone including Mr. Abbey. She is just a very nice, sharp woman. Mark's demise had more to do with Mark Jr. which had nothing to do with the small suit or Jan.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: oscar71 on 09/18/2006 05:09 PM
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Jim - 18/9/2006  11:20 AM

Let's assign crews based only on which astronauts class they are from.  Let's go further and assignment crews based on same school, same military service, same sex, same age, same nation, same race, etc, just because it would be cool.  

Astronaut class date is meaningless.  

They are just people.  Do other vocations make a big deal of "selection" or "graduation" class/date?  No.

Well, let me see here.  I do believe that all male crews have flown shuttle missions and the upcoming STS-117 crew is all male, therefore the same sex category isn't far fetched.

There have been many shuttle missions flown by an all U.S. born crew, so same nation flights have been done.

I also believe that all white crews have flown missions, that would fall under same race.

I also believe that "selection" date (also called date of hire) is important to many vocations as they determine seniority, raises, on the job experience, promotions, pensions, healthcare coverage, etc.

Now, I don't know if this will shock you or not so I hope your sitting down....but my suggestion is something called "wishful thinking".  It happens a lot in these forums, so I thought I would add mine to the fold.  Now take a deep breath, let it out slowly and try to relax  :) .
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 09/18/2006 05:35 PM
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oscar71 - 18/9/2006  12:56 PM
I do believe that all male crews have flown shuttle missions and the upcoming STS-117 crew is all male, therefore the same sex category isn't far fetched.

There have been many shuttle missions flown by an all U.S. born crew, so same nation flights have been done.

I also believe that all white crews have flown missions, that would fall under same race.

Those were not selection criteria.

"wishful thinking" ?  I still ask why?  It serves no purpose.  Just as John Glenn's mission.

"selection" date  is not the hire date.  Many of the astronauts were NASA employees or Military member already.  Anyways I was referring to astronaut groups.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 09/19/2006 03:00 PM
spacedreams,

"Mark Jr". What/who was that?

It seems unbelievable that, almost regardless of what the dispute was over (or even IF there was a dispute), Abbey and Wetherbee would countenance removing Lee from STS-98. After all, at the time, he was one of NASA's most experienced spacewalks and STS-98 (with Destiny) was among the most critical US assembly missions. Divorce? Arguments? Who cares? Did it really make Lee, all of a sudden, ineligible to complete the job?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spacedreams on 09/19/2006 07:52 PM
Mark had some new parenting responsibilities arise in that time period that he had to attend to
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 09/22/2006 11:59 AM
Re Bob Thirsk

There is an entry in "Wikipedia" (and I have no idea how accurate this is) that does indeed claim that Bob Thirsk will fly on STS-123 as an ISS Expedition Member. It also claims that when Thirsk comes home on STS-124, Japan's Koichi Wakata will replace him on the ISS Expedition Crew.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hoorenz on 09/22/2006 07:12 PM
So, the small suit failed the leak-check? ;-)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spaceshuttle on 09/23/2006 03:28 AM
y'all heard the Heidi P. passed out?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: MKremer on 09/23/2006 03:56 AM
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spaceshuttle - 22/9/2006  10:11 PM

y'all heard the Heidi P. passed out?

So?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spaceshuttle on 09/23/2006 04:12 AM
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MKremer - 22/9/2006  10:39 PM

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spaceshuttle - 22/9/2006  10:11 PM

y'all heard the Heidi P. passed out?

So?

ooookay...i heard it on the news, so i posted it...is that wrong?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 09/23/2006 11:38 PM
Returning to the unwritten, but apparently pervasive, 'rule' that astronauts most likely won't fly more than four missions, I'm wondering what NASA's plans are for the last few Shuttle missions.

About half of the available missions (STS-116, 117, 118, 120, 122 and bits of 123 and 119) have been filled or part-filled with crew members. Thinking particularly of astronauts like Mark Polansky, Rick Sturckow, Scott Kelly, Pam Melroy and Steve Frick, who are getting ready to command their first missions, I wonder if they too will lose the opportunity to fly a second CDR mission? Purely speculative, but here's the make-believe CDR-PLT spots available for the remaining missions:

STS-116: Polansky (CDR), Oefelein (PLT)
STS-117: Sturckow (CDR), Archambault (PLT)
STS-118: Scott Kelly (CDR), Hobaugh (PLT)
STS-120: Melroy (CDR), Zamka (PLT)
STS-122: Frick (CDR), Poindexter (PLT)

Now, for sake of argument, let's use the 'available' CDRs and PLTs to fill the remaining slots:
STS-123/ELM-PS: Gorie (CDR), Greg C. Johnson (PLT)
STS-124/Kibo: Jim Kelly (CDR), Ham (PLT)
STS-125/Hubble: Altman (CDR), Greg H. Johnson (PLT)
STS-119/S6: Mark Kelly (CDR), Antonelli (PLT)
STS-126/ULF: Ferguson (CDR), Garan (PLT)
STS-127/ELM-ES: Oefelein (CDR), Virts (PLT)
STS-128/MPLM: Archambault (CDR), Boe (PLT)
STS-129/ULF: Zamka (CDR), Wilmore (PLT)
STS-130/Node-3 and Cupola: Poindexter (CDR), Ford (PLT)

Obviously, I'm speculating and I've picked the CDR-PLT names out of the air, but it makes me think that after JEM-KIBO is installed, there are very few missions remaining. Will NASA continue to refly Polansky, Sturckow, Scott Kelly, Melroy etc until they reach the four-flight maximum or drop them after having done one command in favour of giving as many 'others' (Ferguson, Oefelein, Archambault, Zamka etc) their first commands? Will this mean that, far from 'four' flights being the maximum, most first-time CDRs from now until 2010 will only get one shot at a Shuttle command?

I wonder if the Astronaut Office has any plans about this? Logically, I suppose it might be in the office's best interests to get as many CDR-experienced pilots as possible before the end of the Shuttle. In other words, will they just get one Shuttle CDR slot and then, if they want to stick around and fly up to or beyond four times, be reassigned to CEV or ISS? Furthermore, as my make-believe list shows, it will give as many rookie PLTs (all of Group 17 and most of Group 18) a Shuttle seat and thus spaceflight experience prior to CEV. Mission Specialists, I guess, are not quite so problematic because there are four slots per mission...plenty of room to fly everyone at least once.

Any comments?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 09/24/2006 01:09 AM
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Ben E - 23/9/2006  6:21 PM

Now, for sake of argument, let's use the 'available' CDRs and PLTs to fill the remaining slots:
STS-123/ELM-PS: Gorie (CDR), Greg C. Johnson (PLT)
STS-124/Kibo: Jim Kelly (CDR), Ham (PLT)
STS-125/Hubble: Altman (CDR), Greg H. Johnson (PLT)
STS-119/S6: Mark Kelly (CDR), Antonelli (PLT)
STS-126/ULF: Ferguson (CDR), Garan (PLT)
STS-127/ELM-ES: Oefelein (CDR), Virts (PLT)
STS-128/MPLM: Archambault (CDR), Boe (PLT)
STS-129/ULF: Zamka (CDR), Wilmore (PLT)
STS-130/Node-3 and Cupola: Poindexter (CDR), Ford (PLT)

Obviously, I'm speculating and I've picked the CDR-PLT names out of the air, but it makes me think that after JEM-KIBO is installed, there are very few missions remaining. Will NASA continue to refly Polansky, Sturckow, Scott Kelly, Melroy etc until they reach the four-flight maximum or drop them after having done one command in favour of giving as many 'others' (Ferguson, Oefelein, Archambault, Zamka etc) their first commands? Will this mean that, far from 'four' flights being the maximum, most first-time CDRs from now until 2010 will only get one shot at a Shuttle command?

I wonder if the Astronaut Office has any plans about this? Logically, I suppose it might be in the office's best interests to get as many CDR-experienced pilots as possible before the end of the Shuttle. In other words, will they just get one Shuttle CDR slot and then, if they want to stick around and fly up to or beyond four times, be reassigned to CEV or ISS? Furthermore, as my make-believe list shows, it will give as many rookie PLTs (all of Group 17 and most of Group 18) a Shuttle seat and thus spaceflight experience prior to CEV. Mission Specialists, I guess, are not quite so problematic because there are four slots per mission...plenty of room to fly everyone at least once.

Any comments?

Rommel's preference was to spread experience as widely as possible, so his list might have looked a lot like yours (Nit: I think he would have given Hobaugh a command before Zamka).

Lindsey may have other ideas.
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JRF
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: henrycheck on 09/24/2006 02:30 AM
I know that we are not allowed to talk about "rules" or "patterns" in crew assignments, so how about "tendencies." If you look at the end of the Gemini Program, the end of Apollo, and the end of Skylab, there was a tendency to minimize the number of astronauts being trained for flights in dead-end programs.

If this tendency is repeated, we’d find the astronaut cadre being divided into two groups; one to fly out shuttle, and one to work on Orion.


Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 09/24/2006 11:32 AM
It will probably have more to do with who is best buddies with Lindsey!
Having said that, your list is not unreasonable, although I agree with Jorge that Hobaugh should be on there.
Will “most first-time CDRs from now until 2010 [e.g. Polanksy, Sturckow, Melroy] only get one shot at a Shuttle command?”
Yes, I suspect they will, although in practise it will probably be a mixture of first and second time CDRs. There are a couple of “contingency” flights on the manifest as well, which could potentially offer a few more seats, although whether these actually take place is a moot point.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 09/24/2006 01:07 PM
The contingency flights are part of the remaining 15 flights
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 09/24/2006 01:29 PM
Thanks Jim, I wasn't aware of that - and I don't think Ben E has included them on his list, so he could have a couple more CDR/PLT combinations.
Just remembered that Hobaugh was Lindsey's PLT on STS-104 so he should be okay for a Command if he wants one!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: henrycheck on 09/24/2006 03:23 PM
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Jim - 24/9/2006  8:50 AM

The contingency flights are part of the remaining 15 flights


The number of remaining flights that Griffin and Hale have been quoting indicate that they are not counting the contingency flights. So fifteen left.

116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 132  ---  fifteen flights

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 09/24/2006 03:24 PM
This is incorrect. There are 15 flights left starting with 116 plus two contingency flights, making a total of 17, that would only be flown if time/budget permits. I think they probably will wind up flying.
http://spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts115/fdf/manifest.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 09/24/2006 03:25 PM
Yes, what Henry listed, plus the two makes 17.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 09/24/2006 05:03 PM
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aurora899 - 24/9/2006  8:12 AM

Thanks Jim, I wasn't aware of that - and I don't think Ben E has included them on his list, so he could have a couple more CDR/PLT combinations.
Just remembered that Hobaugh was Lindsey's PLT on STS-104 so he should be okay for a Command if he wants one!

I should hasten to point out that my statement "Lindsey may have other ideas" was not aimed at Hobaugh, though it could be misconstrued as such. I was referring to Rommel's policy of spreading experience as widely as possible. I now believe Lindsey will follow Rommel's approach.
--
JRF
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: henrycheck on 09/24/2006 05:48 PM
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Ben - 24/9/2006  11:08 AM

Yes, what Henry listed, plus the two makes 17.


I don’t think anybody should be too dogmatic on this point.

Two-thousand-ten is a long way off, George Bush won’t be President, Mike Griffin probably won’t be Administrator, and the world can change in a morning.

As I understand the legalese, the shuttle flights stop at the end of fiscal 2010 because there is no shuttle line item in the President’s budget after that.

President Hillary Clinton and NASA Administrator Eileen Collins could change that.

Jim --- as our informed man on the scene at KSC, what's your vision for space exploration circa 2010-2020?

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 09/24/2006 06:17 PM
Hi Jorge,
I hadn’t misconstrued your statement [re Hobaugh] but was making the point that as flight crew selection seems to have as much to do with astronaut office politics and who’s in favour etc., then Hobaugh and Lindsey, having flown together, should be quite good friends. Admittedly, my remark was slightly tongue in cheek but who knows?

On a slightly different issue, how do people see Lindsey’s future panning out? He was not an architect of the maximum four flight rule/guideline and is presumably not bound by it. I can’t help wondering whether Lindsey might, just might, fancy assigning himself to command the last ever shuttle mission, particularly if it’s one of the contingency flights. He might, of course, decide to command the first manned CEV flight (rather like John young did with the shuttle) but that could be a long wait….a very long wait.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 09/24/2006 06:42 PM
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aurora899 - 24/9/2006  1:00 PM

Hi Jorge,
I hadn’t misconstrued your statement [re Hobaugh] but was making the point that as flight crew selection seems to have as much to do with astronaut office politics and who’s in favour etc., then Hobaugh and Lindsey, having flown together, should be quite good friends. Admittedly, my remark was slightly tongue in cheek but who knows?

On a slightly different issue, how do people see Lindsey’s future panning out? He was not an architect of the maximum four flight rule/guideline and is presumably not bound by it. I can’t help wondering whether Lindsey might, just might, fancy assigning himself to command the last ever shuttle mission, particularly if it’s one of the contingency flights. He might, of course, decide to command the first manned CEV flight (rather like John young did with the shuttle) but that could be a long wait….a very long wait.

I didn't take your remark that way - I just wanted to get the clarification out on the table in case anyone else interpreted it that way.
--
JRF
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 09/24/2006 07:33 PM
The practice of flying PLTs once and giving them a command on their second flight was being 'tried' again at the time of STS-107. In fact, STS-107 Commander Rick Husband was on his second mission and NASA had just assigned Scott Kelly to lead STS-118. This was the first time the practice had been attempted since Sid Gutierrez commanded STS-59 in April 1994. I think the 107 and 118 missions were exceptions at the time, but did NASA have plans, even pre-107, to start giving people commands on their second missions? And if so, why?

If Columbia had not been lost, for example, would the Frick-Walheim-Love-Schlegel-Melvin (minus Poindexter of course) team have actually flown together on the 'original' Columbus installation mission? Or was the policy of giving all PLTs a command on their second mission only implemented in the wake of the 'four-flights-and-you're-out' rule?

What was the rationale for giving Rick Husband and Scott Kelly, alone, a command on their second flights? If you look at the pre-107 roster, it would appear that the two-flights-as-PLT rule would still have stayed in place for most missions (Polansky was PLT on STS-117, Hobaugh on STS-118 and Mark Kelly on STS-119), so clearly Husband and Scott Kelly weren't about to set a definite precedent for future PLT-to-CDR assignments. What was special about Husband and Scott Kelly?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spaceshuttle on 09/25/2006 06:57 PM
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henrycheck - 24/9/2006  12:31 PM

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Ben - 24/9/2006  11:08 AM

Yes, what Henry listed, plus the two makes 17.


I don’t think anybody should be too dogmatic on this point.

Two-thousand-ten is a long way off, George Bush won’t be President, Mike Griffin probably won’t be Administrator, and the world can change in a morning.

As I understand the legalese, the shuttle flights stop at the end of fiscal 2010 because there is no shuttle line item in the President’s budget after that.

President Hillary Clinton and NASA Administrator Eileen Collins could change that.

Jim --- as our informed man on the scene at KSC, what's your vision for space exploration circa 2010-2020?


JUICY! JUICY! this thread gets more and more interesting by the minute! back to subject, do any of y'all think that the shuttles will EVER go past 2010?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 09/25/2006 07:25 PM
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Ben E - 24/9/2006  3:16 PM

The practice of flying PLTs once and giving them a command on their second flight was being 'tried' again at the time of STS-107. In fact, STS-107 Commander Rick Husband was on his second mission and NASA had just assigned Scott Kelly to lead STS-118. This was the first time the practice had been attempted since Sid Gutierrez commanded STS-59 in April 1994. I think the 107 and 118 missions were exceptions at the time, but did NASA have plans, even pre-107, to start giving people commands on their second missions? And if so, why?

If Columbia had not been lost, for example, would the Frick-Walheim-Love-Schlegel-Melvin (minus Poindexter of course) team have actually flown together on the 'original' Columbus installation mission? Or was the policy of giving all PLTs a command on their second mission only implemented in the wake of the 'four-flights-and-you're-out' rule?

What was the rationale for giving Rick Husband and Scott Kelly, alone, a command on their second flights? If you look at the pre-107 roster, it would appear that the two-flights-as-PLT rule would still have stayed in place for most missions (Polansky was PLT on STS-117, Hobaugh on STS-118 and Mark Kelly on STS-119), so clearly Husband and Scott Kelly weren't about to set a definite precedent for future PLT-to-CDR assignments. What was special about Husband and Scott Kelly?

We will never know because that info isn't released.  Looking for logic where there is none.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: astronut7 on 09/28/2006 01:12 AM
May I please add my views?  I think Steve Lindsey will do an excellant job as cheif astronaut and I think that the plt/cdr from group-15 will all fly four missions.  Steve has four flights and I think the rest of his classmates will get four flights as far as plt/cdr.  I have talked to Scott Altman and he said he would like to fly another mission(infact I will meet Scott again next week and will ask him again).  I think that Scott Altman, Pam Melroy, Rick Sturckow, Jeff Ashby, Mike Bloomfield and Dom Gorie will all make four flights(two as pilot/two as commander).  I'm just sorry that Susan Still, Joe Edwards and Rick Husband will never get to have four flights.  I also think that Scott Kelly, Mark Kelly, Jim Kelly and Charlie Hobaugh will also get to command a shuttle flight before the end.  This is my view only.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: astronut7 on 09/28/2006 01:26 AM
I just met Mark Lee four days ago and it was a pleasant meeting.  I asked Mark about his STS-98 flight assignment and he told me he was taken off the flight due to politics.  He didn't elaborate on it too much.  I also asked him about his original assignment to STS-61-M in 1986 before Challenger tragedy and if he would of have flown that mission I believe he would of have been the first member to fly from his astronaut group.  In 1996  I met Jan Davis and got to sit next to her at dinner.  Very pleasant person to meet.  I'm just sorry that Mark and Jan are no longer married.  I also got to meet Mark's sister and another very nice person to talk to.  I do know that Mark is now remarried and has two children.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 09/28/2006 10:33 AM
Although slightly “off topic”, the crew patch for STS-118 has just been released:

http://www.spacepatches.nl
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spaceshuttle on 09/28/2006 04:50 PM
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aurora899 - 28/9/2006  5:16 AM

Although slightly “off topic”, the crew patch for STS-118 has just been released:

http://www.spacepatches.nl

oh that's tight! it reminds me of sts-51, you know, a bit videogame-esque! pretty cool  ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: martynwilliams on 09/30/2006 05:59 PM
It's been a good year for British born astronauts this year...with Piers Sellers on 121 and Nick Patrick on 116. The only British born astro left to fly now is Greg Johnson (I think he was born on a USAF base in the UK) - I dont think there's anyone else originally from the UK in the astro corps at the moment.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/30/2006 06:36 PM
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martynwilliams - 30/9/2006  6:42 PM

It's been a good year for British born astronauts this year...with Piers Sellers on 121 and Nick Patrick on 116. The only British born astro left to fly now is Greg Johnson (I think he was born on a USAF base in the UK) - I dont think there's anyone else originally from the UK in the astro corps at the moment.


There's one to come (won't be Shuttle obviously), but he's out in the Gulf at the moment flying RAF Tornados. I know him, but won't give any details given he's in active service. Will go to the US, go through the US system, join NASA.

He's a good age, brilliant pilot, could be interesting in the years to come.

Still think it's an absolute disgrace that it's not legal to have UK astronauts. That's Thatcher's fault, right?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 09/30/2006 06:40 PM
There is this legend that she came to ESTEC, received a Columbus / Freedom briefing, and once back in London, shut down all human spaceflight activities in UK.

Maybe urban legend...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Terry Rocket on 09/30/2006 06:55 PM
There's a picture of Thatcher being shown a model of Space Station Freedom by Reagun and after that meeting she shut down what was going to be a really arse-kicking British space program.

We had British Aerospace on the design and engineering, with Hotol and Skylon way advanced over anything the US was producing. We had the scientists, we had the astronaut corp from the Top Gun part of the RAF and we had the money.

Thatcher's relationship with Reagun was full of secret deals. Remember the Falklands War? The US couldn't go against Argentina politically, but we had two fully loaded US Aircraft carriers parked at the Ascention Islands at our disposal. Course, we kicked arse and didn't need them after sending the fleet down to sort it all out :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 09/30/2006 07:05 PM
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Terry Rocket - 30/9/2006  2:38 PM

We had British Aerospace on the design and engineering, with Hotol and Skylon way advanced over anything the US was producing. We had the scientists, we had the astronaut corp from the Top Gun part of the RAF and we had the money.

Paper rockets are not the same as real ones.  Just as Spacex, there is no proof that it could have been pulled off.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 09/30/2006 07:35 PM
I think the Reagan Thatcher picture was at the G7 summit in London (1984).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spaceshuttle on 09/30/2006 09:54 PM
precourt question:

for sts-55, charlie was an MS., but for 71-91 he was PLT turned CDR. was he trained as an MS, and later retrained as a pilot?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: psloss on 09/30/2006 10:18 PM
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spaceshuttle - 30/9/2006  5:37 PM

precourt question:

for sts-55, charlie was an MS., but for 71-91 he was PLT turned CDR. was he trained as an MS, and later retrained as a pilot?
The better question is whether he was selected as an MS (probably not).

This wasn't unique -- a couple of other examples were the late David Griggs (51-D) and Steven Nagel (51-G).

Edit: in fact, already noted more thoroughly in this thread (http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=740&posts=271&mid=59184&highlight=&highlightmode=1&action=search#M59184)!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 09/30/2006 11:00 PM
No, Precourt was hired in January 1990 as a PLT. As with Nagel, Griggs, McMonagle, Readdy and Cockrell, he flew as MS2 for his first mission as a 'third PLT'. Usually this was done on missions that required a dual-shift system of operations or necessitated a 'third pilot', such as Spacelab. That's the official rhetoric.

However, Nagel's and Griggs' first missions as MS2 were satellite-deployment flights that were neither dual-shift, nor Spacelab, so I'm honestly not sure why some MS2s were chosen from among PLTs. Also, in view of the fact that most Spacelab missions (21 out of 24 flown between 1983 and 1998) featured MS2s who were drawn from MS ranks, rather than PLT ranks, I don't quite understand the rationale for needing a PLT-qualified MS2 on some Spacelab flights and not others.

I can virtually guarantee that Jim will respond with his 'it's all down to office politics' and 'you're looking for logic when there is none' points. I understand his point, but in spite of what I've read in Mullane's book, Burrough's book and others, I'd be intrigued to know why some dual-shift Spacelabs required a PLT-qualified MS2 and others (in fact, most!) could get by with an 'ordinary' Mission Specialist in the MS2 seat. I understand the idea of rookie PLTs 'gaining flight experience' by flying as MS2 first, but with a large available 'pool' of astronauts who'd gone through highly expensive MS training, why reassign an astronaut who'd gone through equally highly expensive PLT training to an MS slot?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spaceshuttle on 09/30/2006 11:09 PM
yes indeed. this validates EVEN MORE that astronaout choices are never uniformed.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 09/30/2006 11:35 PM
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Ben E - 30/9/2006  5:43 PM

No, Precourt was hired in January 1990 as a PLT. As with Nagel, Griggs, McMonagle, Readdy and Cockrell, he flew as MS2 for his first mission as a 'third PLT'. Usually this was done on missions that required a dual-shift system of operations or necessitated a 'third pilot', such as Spacelab. That's the official rhetoric.

However, Nagel's and Griggs' first missions as MS2 were satellite-deployment flights that were neither dual-shift, nor Spacelab, so I'm honestly not sure why some MS2s were chosen from among PLTs. Also, in view of the fact that most Spacelab missions (21 out of 24 flown between 1983 and 1998) featured MS2s who were drawn from MS ranks, rather than PLT ranks, I don't quite understand the rationale for needing a PLT-qualified MS2 on some Spacelab flights and not others.

I've spoken to Nagel about this, and heard from other sources (astronaut office and otherwise) that this was simply a way to get 1978 group pilots flown.  Remember, up to STS-5 it was assumed that there would be two MS on each Shuttle crew.... SAS and workload issues caused that to increase to three per mission (in most cases).  So the 1978 group pilots were stuck watching their MS contemporaries rotating to second flights while they were still waiting for their first.

Gerry Griffin, then head of JSC, noticed, and announced to the astronaut office (early 1983, as I recall) that some PLTs would be making their first flights as MS2s.  Within a few weeks, Nagel and Griggs were so assigned.

It was not -- like so many suggestions I see here -- some kind of sentimental gesture: there was a need to use these highly-trained people from the 1978 group before their military details ran out and they would be subject to recall by their parent services.  [The percentage of astros who returned to military duty was never large, but NASA managment -- at this time, Griffin, Abbey and Young -- had to assume they could lose people.]

Nagel was happy to be flying, though several of his PLT and Air Force contemporaries thought the assignment an insult.  What made Nagel happiest was realizing that he would get to train for EVA -- which he did.

As for later PLT-as-MS2 assignments, it wasn't for operational reasons, but personnel management.   In that 1990-92 period you had MS astronauts flying early and often, and PLTs like Curt Brown waiting.... waiting.... waiting.   The rationale was, use these PLTs even if they'll be flying that middle seat.

Michael Cassutt, author of WHO'S WHO IN SPACE, co-author of DEKE! and WE HAVE CAPTURE


Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 09/30/2006 11:43 PM
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Ben E - 30/9/2006  5:43 PM

I can virtually guarantee that Jim will respond with his 'it's all down to office politics' and 'you're looking for logic when there is none' points. I understand his point, but in spite of what I've read in Mullane's book, Burrough's book and others, I'd be intrigued to know why some dual-shift Spacelabs required a PLT-qualified MS2 and others (in fact, most!) could get by with an 'ordinary' Mission Specialist in the MS2 seat. I understand the idea of rookie PLTs 'gaining flight experience' by flying as MS2 first, but with a large available 'pool' of astronauts who'd gone through highly expensive MS training, why reassign an astronaut who'd gone through equally highly expensive PLT training to an MS slot?  


Jim's view is actually quite well-informed.  There is often no "logic" to selection or assignment.... office politics do play a role... and marching orders change with every set of leaders.   There are personal factors that play a larger role than is generally known.... just to name one, I have seen speculation/hope/sentiment that Pam Melroy will not only command one mission, but go on to a second.

Possibly.... but the USAF very badly wanted Melroy back after her first flight on 92 in late 2000.  Whether by her request -- or through some generosity on the part of AF personnel -- she had her tour at NASA extended through a second PLT flight.  That tour has obviously been extended again to account for the Columbia hiatus and an assignment as CDR.

Will she return to the Air Force in fall 2007?  (Look at what's happened with Susan Helms, who is now a brigadier general.  A woman pilot who is a Shuttle commander would have an incredible set of command positions to choose from.)  Or will she stay at NASA as either an Air Force officer or civilian?  We don't know that and can't know that.... and that is just one bit of data dealing with one astronaut.

Which is why Jim -- who has seen this for twenty years -- expresses his frustration at some of the postings.

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 10/01/2006 11:02 AM
>Paper rockets are not the same as real ones. Just as Spacex, there is no proof that it could have been pulled off.

Don’t under-estimate British skill and ingenuity. We just don’t have the political will or the money (at least not in the public sector).
And if you’ve ever seen the film “First Men in the Moon” (based on HG Wells’ novel) you’ll know that we actually got to the Moon first, and claimed it on behalf of Queen Victoria.

On a more serious note, it was a great pity that Squadron Leader Nigel Wood’s Shuttle flight was cancelled after the “Challenger” disaster and the Skynet military comsats transferred to ELVs. Didn’t some sections of the UK press initially report that the Royal Navy guy (Longhurst?) was going to be the first Briton in space, only for the RAF to point out that the final frontier was really their province and lobbied the MoD accordingly?
And wasn’t there some British research scientist from Eastman Kodak who was in discussions about a possible shuttle flight around the time of 51-L?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: SimonShuttle on 10/01/2006 12:02 PM
Good thread on the British Space Program that never was: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=831&start=1
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 10/02/2006 06:30 AM
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aurora899 - 1/10/2006  5:45 AM

And wasn’t there some British research scientist from Eastman Kodak who was in discussions about a possible shuttle flight around the time of 51-L?

John Padday, now deceased.

Dave

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: martynwilliams on 10/02/2006 06:00 PM
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hektor - 30/9/2006  8:18 PM

I think the Reagan Thatcher picture was at the G7 summit in London (1984).

Yeah, that’s right. I researched that event for my dissertation on the politics of the ISS program last year.

Everyone in that meeting, bar Thatcher, enthusiastically endorsed Reagan’s plan to include international partners in the Freedom project. For some reason, Thatcher couldn’t, or maybe didn’t want to, see the huge benefits being a partner in the SSP would have brought to British industry.

I agree Chris, it’s a terrible shame British citizens are bared from becoming astronauts through the ESA. It’s something I’m keen on perusing within the Labour party.  
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 10/05/2006 07:08 AM
Joe Tanner calls it a day:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/5400354.stm
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dutch courage on 10/07/2006 10:44 AM
Possibly a fourth crew member on ISS in october 2007.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5415000.stm

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 10/07/2006 12:32 PM
I don't think so, the article says "The trio of mini-missions would take the place of one of the existing three, six-month resident slots"
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 10/07/2006 04:38 PM
Is the Canadian mission being done just for the sake of it?

I can understand the European and Japanese mini-missions coinciding with the arrival of Columbus and Kibo. Admittedly, the Dextre hand for Canadarm2 is arriving on STS-123, but surely that wouldn't necessitate an entire Canadian expedition in the same way that the arrival of a major pressurised module would?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 10/12/2006 04:35 PM
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Stevo - 18/9/2006  2:00 PM

You wonder if Lee's removal from STS-98 was Abbey's revenge on Lee for roasting him at his going away party as the Director of Flight Crew Operations, as described in "Riding Rockets" by Mike Mullane. Apparently Lee emceed the event and concluded his remarks with "And for those of you who might be feeling a lump in the throat and getting all misty-eyed thinking about George leaving... just remember what an a$$hole he can be!" According to Mullane, as everyone cheered and laughed, Abbey smirked with a look of "...I'll get even with these traitorous *#@!heads if it's the last thing I ever do."

May seem far-fetched but you can't help but wonder given some of the other stories relating to Abbey and the astronaut office over the years.


I'm reading Tom Jones his book Sky Walking right now and on page 250 to 253 there is a lot to read about Mark Lee's removal from STS-98 but a real reason is not given by Jones...but at some point the whole STS-98 crew was about to step down from the flight becouse of Lee's removal and no reason given by Jim Wetherbee...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 10/12/2006 04:52 PM
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hektor - 7/10/2006  7:15 AM

I don't think so, the article says "The trio of mini-missions would take the place of one of the existing three, six-month resident slots"

Yeah that's what it sounds like to me, too.  I'm wondering if they're planning on flying the shuttle in "rapid-fire" fashion to support that.  Probably the wrong term for it but I'm wondering...would the run of missions in that timeline see two and half months in between flights?  Seems pretty fast paced, but then again they'll have Endeavour flying again by then, too.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 10/13/2006 06:43 AM
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dutch courage - 7/10/2006  12:27 PM
Possibly a fourth crew member on ISS in october 2007.
A fourth? I do not think so...

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hektor - 7/10/2006  2:15 PM
I don't think so, the article says "The trio of mini-missions would take the place of one of the existing three, six-month resident slots"
I believe that hektor is right. There was some talk of these mini-expeditions on L2, I remember. That was a while ago. Now the news has been made available to the public domain by that newspaper.

What I did not know was that the idea came from Schlegel. Gee, those Germans -- clever people, indeed...!

 ;)  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 10/18/2006 09:03 PM
Oct. 18, 2006

Katherine Trinidad
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-3749

Nicole Cloutier-Lemasters
Johnson Space Center, Houston
281-483-5111

RELEASE: 06-337

NASA ANNOUNCES NEW INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION CREW

NASA and the Russian Federal Space Agency have named two astronauts
and two cosmonauts to the next International Space Station crew,
known as Expedition 15. Astronauts Clayton C. Anderson and Daniel M.
Tani will travel to the station next year and work as flight
engineers. Cosmonauts Fyodor N. Yurchikhin and Dr. Oleg V. Kotov will
spend six months aboard the orbiting laboratory.

Anderson will get a ride to the station aboard Space Shuttle
Endeavour's STS-118 mission, targeted for launch in June 2007. He
will return to Earth on shuttle Atlantis on mission STS-120. That
flight will carry his replacement, Tani, to the station. Tani will
return on shuttle mission STS-122, targeted for October 2007.

Yurchikhin will command Expedition 15, and Kotov will serve as station
flight engineer and Soyuz commander. Yurchikhin and Kotov will fly to
the complex aboard a Soyuz spacecraft scheduled to launch in March
2007. Until Anderson arrives, astronaut Sunita L. Williams will serve
as Expedition 15's third crew member and flight engineer. She will
fly to the station on STS-116 in December.

A native of Nebraska, Anderson was selected as an astronaut in 1998
following a technical career in mission operations at NASA's Johnson
Space Center, Houston. He managed the Emergency Operations Center at
Johnson for several years before becoming an astronaut. He has a
bachelor's degree from Hastings College in Hastings, Neb., and a
master's from Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa.

A native of Illinois, Tani has a bachelor's and a master's degree in
mechanical engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology, Cambridge, Mass. He was selected as an astronaut in 1996.
Tani's first spaceflight was aboard Endeavour in December 2001 on the
STS-108 mission. During that flight, he performed a four-hour
spacewalk.

Yurchikhin previously visited the space station aboard Atlantis on
STS-112 in 2002. He is qualified as a mechanical engineer and has a
doctorate in economics. Before he was selected as a cosmonaut,
Yurchikhin served as a Russian flight controller and lead engineer
for several missions.

Kotov was selected as a cosmonaut in 1996 and has trained for Soyuz,
Mir and space station missions. He is a graduate of the Kirov Medical
Academy in Russia.

The Expedition 15 backup crew is astronaut Gregory E. Chamitoff for
Anderson; Sandra H. Magnus for Tani; Russian cosmonauts Roman Y.
Romanenko and Mikhail B. Kornienko for Yurchikhin and Kotov.

Video of the Expedition 15 crew members will air on NASA TV's Video
File. For NASA TV downlink, streaming video and scheduling
information, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

For more about the station, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/station

For more about upcoming space shuttle missions, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/shuttle


-end-
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 10/19/2006 06:52 AM
So this ends the Tani discussion, right?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: raj on 10/19/2006 01:04 PM
I heard that a women from India is now assigned a mission.....is it true?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 10/19/2006 01:59 PM
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raj - 19/10/2006  2:47 PM
I heard that a women from India is now assigned a mission.....is it true?
STS-116's Sunita Williams has an Indian background. She was born in the US, but her parents are from India, I think. She will stay on the ISS and will be an ISS-14/-15 crew member.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 10/20/2006 01:39 PM
So with STS-120 (Tani-UP) possibly delayed until early September and STS-122 (Tani-DOWN) in mid October, why are they sending him for such a short (45-day-ish?) expedition? Hardly seems worth it.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 10/26/2006 12:06 PM
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Ben E - 20/10/2006  3:22 PM

So with STS-120 (Tani-UP) possibly delayed until early September and STS-122 (Tani-DOWN) in mid October, why are they sending him for such a short (45-day-ish?) expedition? Hardly seems worth it.
"That's simple", I was about to say. But it isn't...  ;)

You could move Tani's return to STS-123 and let the astronaut to fly to the station on STS-122 launch on STS-123 instead. But that would ruin Schlegel's concept of crew rotation that includes the presence of a European on the ISS immediately after Columbus is delivered, a Canadian when SSRMS hardware arrives and a Japanese in support of Kibo start-up operations.

Gosh, how complicated...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 10/26/2006 12:54 PM
STS-122 is Eyharts-UP :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 10/26/2006 01:31 PM
Any news from the Korean cosmonaut selection process. Last time they were down to 500 candidates.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 10/26/2006 02:08 PM
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hektor - 26/10/2006  2:37 PM
STS-122 is Eyharts-UP :)
Yes, You are right. That is what I wanted to say. Schlegel's concept requires him to be on that flight and "Tani-DOWN" also on 122.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 10/26/2006 04:12 PM
And we'll soon be looking to run the Hubble STS-125 crew. We've got four names going through confirmation on L2.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 10/26/2006 11:40 PM
Why do they need to fly BOTH Anderson and Tani next year? Couldn't Anderson fly STS-118 in June, come home on STS-122 in October (four months), then be replaced by Eyharts until STS-124 in February 2008 (four months), who would then himself be replaced by Wakata? Wakata would then stay four months, being returned aboard STS-119 in June 2008.

I still don't understand the rationale behind Thirsk's assignment to STS-123 for a mini-expedition that, other than the delivery of Dextre, doesn't really REQUIRE a Canadian long-term expedition member. Long-term stays by Eyharts and Wakata, on the other hand, are entirely logical in this timeframe.

Unless its purely political, I just don't see the logic in all these piddly little expeditions. If they're really getting long-duration expertise to prepare for the Moon, Mars and beyond, aren't six months AND ABOVE the durations they should be aiming for?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rob in KC on 10/30/2006 05:32 PM
Is there a chance some astronauts will never get to fly, because of Shuttle end in 2010 and the potential 5-6 year delay with CEV?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 10/30/2006 05:37 PM
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Ben E - 26/10/2006  7:23 PM

Why do they need to fly BOTH Anderson and Tani next year? Couldn't Anderson fly STS-118 in June, come home on STS-122 in October (four months), then be replaced by Eyharts until STS-124 in February 2008 (four months), who would then himself be replaced by Wakata? Wakata would then stay four months, being returned aboard STS-119 in June 2008.

I still don't understand the rationale behind Thirsk's assignment to STS-123 for a mini-expedition that, other than the delivery of Dextre, doesn't really REQUIRE a Canadian long-term expedition member. Long-term stays by Eyharts and Wakata, on the other hand, are entirely logical in this timeframe.

Unless its purely political, I just don't see the logic in all these piddly little expeditions. If they're really getting long-duration expertise to prepare for the Moon, Mars and beyond, aren't six months AND ABOVE the durations they should be aiming for?

You are looking for that thing called logic with flight crew assignments again
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 10/30/2006 05:38 PM
Yvonne and Fernando
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spaceshuttle on 10/30/2006 05:46 PM
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hektor - 30/10/2006  12:21 PM

Yvonne and Fernando

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeexactly!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 10/31/2006 08:08 AM
Did we already mention that Soichi Noguchi is Koichi Wakata's back-up for Expeditions 16 and 17? This info is now available outside of NSF or L2, so I think I can put in on record here.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TALsite on 10/31/2006 11:49 AM
Let’s play to guess (without L2 info) the STS-125 crew
My bet:

Altman  -  CDR - Veteran of STS-109 (last visit to Hubble)
Johnson, G. Harold - PLT
Grunsfeld  -  MS – EVA-Veteran of STS-109
Linnehan -  MS – EVA-Veteran of STS-109
Massimino -  MS – EVA-Veteran of STS-109
Morin - MS – EVA
Creamer  - MS

Why not?
Regards.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 10/31/2006 12:23 PM
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TALsite - 31/10/2006  1:32 PM
Why not?
Why...?  ;)

OK, seriously now: Most people almost exclusively have flight-experienced astronauts on their radars. You, for example, list four 109 veterans and a veteran spacewalker. I have a feeling that  they may send up three rookies. Indeed, many speculative rosters out there have only one or two -- just like Yours.

I cannot wait for later...

Today is crew assignment day!

Just like Xmas -- but I am not the one to get a present. No, it's them, the 125 crew...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TALsite on 10/31/2006 01:03 PM
nethegauner said:
"I have a feeling that they may send up three rookies"

I like rookies flying (G.H.Johnson-Creamer), but I think this is a very "special" mission that needs a very experienced crew.  I bet no more than two rookies.
And I have a malfunctioning radar....   ;)
The answer soon.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 10/31/2006 01:14 PM
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TALsite - 31/10/2006  2:46 PM
I like rookies flying (G.H.Johnson-Creamer), but I think this is a very "special" mission that needs a very experienced crew.  I bet no more than two rookies.
You bring up an interesting point: is SM-04 -- the fifth SM actually! -- a special mission? SM-01 sure was -- the premiere, the challenge. But SM-04?

Of course, any flight to the HST is something special and SM-04 sure is a highlight on the remaining manifest. But when it comes to mission operations, is it still so special? They did it many times before. I was under the impression recently, that some ISS EVAs were more complex than some HST EVAs. Fell free to correct me, anyone.

I think four experienced Hubble flyers are just about right with three rookies on the remaining seats.

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TALsite - 31/10/2006  2:46 PM
The answer soon.

I hope so!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spacedreams on 10/31/2006 05:08 PM
I'm pretty sure you won't see Linnehan or Morin on this flight, at least not as EVA.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 11/02/2006 07:18 AM
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TALsite - 31/10/2006  2:46 PM

nethegauner said:
"I have a feeling that they may send up three rookies"

I like rookies flying (G.H.Johnson-Creamer), but I think this is a very "special" mission that needs a very experienced crew.  I bet no more than two rookies.
Johnson, Feustel, Good, McArthur -- FOUR! What did I say? Three. OK -- slightly off mark...

Three rookies from the class of 2000. They must be celebratin glike it's 1999. Uhm, I mean... -- well, You know what I mean!

 ;)  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/02/2006 12:26 PM
What are Linnehan and Morin doing now?

As EVA veterans, are they up for ISS assembly missions? Expeditions?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 11/02/2006 12:31 PM
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Ben E - 2/11/2006  8:09 AM

What are Linnehan and Morin doing now?

As EVA veterans, are they up for ISS assembly missions? Expeditions?

they are hiding from inquiring minds
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: collectSPACE on 11/02/2006 02:09 PM
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Ben E - 2/11/2006  7:09 AM

What are Linnehan and Morin doing now?

Morin is currently working on the design of Orion's avionic systems. Last night though, he was speaking for New York University at the Cradle of Aviation Museum in Garden City on the subject "Transforming Fantasy - Building a Space Station".
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/02/2006 03:29 PM
So is there a hint that Morin will get an Orion mission? Although, born in 1952, he'll be into his sixties by then...

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 11/02/2006 03:36 PM
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Ben E - 2/11/2006  11:12 AM

So is there a hint that Morin will get an Orion mission? Although, born in 1952, he'll be into his sixties by then...


Not really.  It is not 1 +1 +2 (Orion Avionics + Ornion Flight).  He might have other plans.  How many missions havecrew assignments  at this time?  2?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Dante Wynter on 11/02/2006 07:22 PM
Hmm . . .  I wonder if *anyone* will be around for Orion, or will they have to get yet another group of astronauts?  The following will be around 50 or less when Orion is scheduled to launch (we know how well NASA keeps its schedules, right?):

Bill Oefelein, Soichi Noguchi, Shannon Walker, Stanley Love, Andrew Feustel, Sunita Williams, Robert Satcher, jr., John Olivas, Stephanie Wilson, Douglas Hurley, Edward Fincke, Joseph Acaba, Robert Kimbrough, Dominic  Antonelli, Randolf Bresnik, Terry Virts, Jr., Garrett Reisman, James Dutton, jr., Akihito Hoshide, Tracy Caldwell, Karen Nyberg, Christopher Cassidy, Robert Behnken, K. Megan McArthur, and Dorothy Metcalf-Lindenburger.

. . . Of course, I haven't cross-checked to see if any of the above has stepped down already.  Any thoughts?  Will any astronaut now be around for Orion? I would think so, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 11/02/2006 07:29 PM
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Dante Wynter - 2/11/2006  2:05 PM

. . . Of course, I haven't cross-checked to see if any of the above has stepped down already.  Any thoughts?  Will any astronaut now be around for Orion? I would think so, but that's just me.

That's usually up to them.  And remember...they pick a class of astronauts every two years or so.  So we'll have three or four new classes by the time they fly Orion.  NSF should band together and see if we can get one of "ours" on board ;)  Maybe me!  First student astronaut!  Wouldn't that be a thought.  Oh we can dream.  Hope that helps!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 11/02/2006 07:43 PM
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nathan.moeller - 2/11/2006  3:12 PM
  ..they pick a class of astronauts every two years or so.  So we'll have three or four new classes by the time they fly Orion.  !

This won't be happening if there are flight opportunities
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 11/02/2006 07:43 PM
Well to fly Orion they need about 20 astronauts or so for the few flights they do. So I wouldn't bet they will continue to have a class of astronauts every two years. Maybe every 4 or 5 years would be far enough.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 11/03/2006 01:25 AM
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Dante Wynter - 2/11/2006  2:05 PM

Hmm . . .  I wonder if *anyone* will be around for Orion, or will they have to get yet another group of astronauts?  The following will be around 50 or less when Orion is scheduled to launch (we know how well NASA keeps its schedules, right?):

Bill Oefelein, Soichi Noguchi, Shannon Walker, Stanley Love, Andrew Feustel, Sunita Williams, Robert Satcher, jr., John Olivas, Stephanie Wilson, Douglas Hurley, Edward Fincke, Joseph Acaba, Robert Kimbrough, Dominic  Antonelli, Randolf Bresnik, Terry Virts, Jr., Garrett Reisman, James Dutton, jr., Akihito Hoshide, Tracy Caldwell, Karen Nyberg, Christopher Cassidy, Robert Behnken, K. Megan McArthur, and Dorothy Metcalf-Lindenburger.

. . . Of course, I haven't cross-checked to see if any of the above has stepped down already.  Any thoughts?  Will any astronaut now be around for Orion? I would think so, but that's just me.

Well, I think you can assume that the astronauts selected in 04 will be around... health and fate willing.  They were told they were being selected for CEV, not for Shuttle -- and I don't expect to see any of them on Shuttle missions.  No doubt some of those selected earlier will stick around, but not many.

Twenty astronauts could fly all the CEV Orion missions scheduled prior to 2020, but that won't stop NASA from selecting at least one more group between now and 2010, and no doubt others after that.

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Dante Wynter on 11/03/2006 05:01 AM
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Michael Cassutt said on 2/11/2006  6:08 PM

Well, I think you can assume that the astronauts selected in 04 will be around... health and fate willing.  They were told they were being selected for CEV, not for Shuttle -- and I don't expect to see any of them on Shuttle missions.  No doubt some of those selected earlier will stick around, but not many.

I was wondering about that.  I don't think I would've been very happy being told I'd have to wait ten years for my first flight; but then again, I wouldn't have much choice, would I?

Didn't something similar happen to Group 6 or 7 astronauts?  Getting told that the odds were against them on going to the moon?

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Twenty astronauts could fly all the CEV Orion missions scheduled prior to 2020, but that won't stop NASA from selecting at least one more group between now and 2010, and no doubt others after that.

I seem to recall hearing that selecting more and more astronauts was management's way of controlling them.  But, perhaps I'm mis-remembering the story.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 11/03/2006 06:50 AM
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nathan.moeller - 2/11/2006  9:12 PM
And remember...they pick a class of astronauts every two years or so.
Not quite right. They did not pick one in '02. The next selection comes in '08, I believe.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 11/03/2006 11:26 AM
By the way, I doubt there will be any international astronauts on the CEV. This is a national program I think. I have seen a few Japanese names in your list, for instance;
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 11/03/2006 12:39 PM
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hektor - 3/11/2006  1:09 PM
By the way, I doubt there will be any international astronauts on the CEV.
Hektor is right. The Japanese astronauts in the class of '04 are there because of the ISS. If there will be considerable international participation in CEV development, there will be international candidates. But I guess that ESA and Russia will not take part in this. The Japanese maybe? I have no idea...

Or China?  ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 11/04/2006 08:20 PM
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Dante Wynter - 2/11/2006  11:44 PM

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Michael Cassutt said on 2/11/2006  6:08 PM

Well, I think you can assume that the astronauts selected in 04 will be around... health and fate willing.  They were told they were being selected for CEV, not for Shuttle -- and I don't expect to see any of them on Shuttle missions.  No doubt some of those selected earlier will stick around, but not many.

I was wondering about that.  I don't think I would've been very happy being told I'd have to wait ten years for my first flight; but then again, I wouldn't have much choice, would I?.


Nor do the 2004 astronauts -- and by the way, who wants to bet that not one of them flies until 2016 or later?

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 Didn't something similar happen to Group 6 or 7 astronauts?  Getting told that the odds were against them on going to the moon?
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The seven pilots who transferred from the defunct MOL program in August 1969 (Group 7) were told they had little chance to fly until 1977.  Some of them thought they would or should be assigned to Skylab, but that obviously didn't happen.  The Group 6 scientist-astros were told they would have few chances at flight, or a long wait, the day they showed up for work in September 1967....

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Twenty astronauts could fly all the CEV Orion missions scheduled prior to 2020, but that won't stop NASA from selecting at least one more group between now and 2010, and no doubt others after that.

I seem to recall hearing that selecting more and more astronauts was management's way of controlling them.  But, perhaps I'm mis-remembering the story.

That's one theory about the apparent over-selection in the 1990s, but I'm not sure how valid it is.  In the same way that Slayton "manned up" the astronaut office 1966-67 based on the proposed Apollo/AAP flight rate then in the works, the astronaut office over-selected in 1995-98 based on the requirements of 5-6 Shuttle missions a year, and 4 ISS increments per year starting in 1999.

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 11/04/2006 09:24 PM
I disagree, the CEV will be flying to the ISS and with international modules and committments they will absolutely be flying astronauts of partner nations on the CEV.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: collectSPACE on 11/04/2006 09:57 PM
There are already reports suggesting that NASA is considering barters to put JAXA, Roscosmos and CSA astronauts aboard Orion.

For example, it was reported late last year by both American and Japanese reporters that NASA was proposing to JAXA that they build and deliver to the Moon a nuclear reactor in return for putting one or more Japanese astronauts aboard a lunar landing mission.

Similar trades have been mentioned in the context of the Russians and Canadians, though some appear to have originated with the international partner. (I haven't seen much by the way of ESA's involvement, though its not too far a stretch to think they might be included).

While Orion's and Ares' construction is not being offered to our international partners, there will be plenty of contributions available once off the planet to justify including other countries' astronauts on our lunar missions.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 11/04/2006 10:16 PM
There are only three manned Orion missions to ISS in the manifest that Chris Bergin has outlined. The first one is a two man test mission, so I doubt there will be an international crew there. Then there are two others so maybe yes on one of these both. But the opportunities are quite few.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/05/2006 03:55 PM
With the recent selection of the STS-125 crew, I noticed that - had Columbia not been lost - the SM-4 mission was originally scheduled for April 2004. Would the 'same' crew (ie Altman-Johnson-Grunsfeld-Massimino-McArthur-Good-Feustel) have remained attached to the 'original', pre-Columbia HST crew? As of February 1st 2003, even the EVA crew members for SM-4 hadn't been named - giving them (at most) 14 months to train.

Similarly, with the exception of Poindexter (who was, at the time, assigned as PLT of STS-120), would Frick's crew have flown the 'original' Columbus mission?

Or would there have been a different line-up? Or will we never know?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 11/05/2006 04:21 PM
It would have never been the same crew.  Too many viables and changes since then.   That mission was to be 2 1/2 years ago.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 11/05/2006 05:24 PM
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Ben E - 5/11/2006  10:38 AM

With the recent selection of the STS-125 crew, I noticed that - had Columbia not been lost - the SM-4 mission was originally scheduled for April 2004. Would the 'same' crew (ie Altman-Johnson-Grunsfeld-Massimino-McArthur-Good-Feustel) have remained attached to the 'original', pre-Columbia HST crew? As of February 1st 2003, even the EVA crew members for SM-4 hadn't been named - giving them (at most) 14 months to train.

Similarly, with the exception of Poindexter (who was, at the time, assigned as PLT of STS-120), would Frick's crew have flown the 'original' Columbus mission?

Or would there have been a different line-up? Or will we never know?

Completely different line-up. As Jim said, too many variables, both small and big. Example "small" variable: STS-109 PLT Duane Carey left after the Columbia accident; would he have left if the accident never happened? Wouldn't that put him in the mix for SM-04? Example "big" variable: the Columbia accident led to the 2010 retirement date for the shuttle fleet. NASA had previously been working to a retirement date of 2020 or later. As a result of the earlier retirement, the Astronaut Office has been assigning as many rookies as possible to spread out the experience base as widely as possible and ensure that the astronauts who stick around for Orion have at least some spaceflight experience. I can just about guarantee you there wouldn't have been four rookies on the "original" SM-04 crew if the accident hadn't occurred; previous policy had been to put one or two rookies on each crew.
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JRF
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: collectSPACE on 11/05/2006 06:51 PM
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Jorge - 5/11/2006  12:07 PM

I can just about guarantee you there wouldn't have been four rookies on the "original" SM-04 crew if the accident hadn't occurred; previous policy had been to put one or two rookies on each crew.
While I do not disagree that the "original" SM-04 crew may have been different, I am not sure you can use the number of rookies aboard as an indicator.

Excluding the five ISS crew rotation flights (as they only had four shuttle crew seats), of the remaining 10 missions that led up to and included STS-107, four (STS-106, STS-110, STS-112 and STS-107) had either three or four rookies. While that is not a majority, it does illustrate that one-two rookies was not a steadfast policy.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 11/05/2006 09:00 PM
To expand on collectspace's comment, here's a list of rookies from recent flights, as well as some upcoming missions:

STS-106: Burbank, Mastracchio, Morukov
STS-92: Melroy
STS-98: Polansky
STS-102: Kelly, Richards
STS-100: Lonchakov
STS-104: Hobaugh
STS-105: Forrester, Turin
STS-108: Kelly, Tani
STS-109: Carey, Massimino
STS-110: Frick, Morin, Walheim
STS-111: Lockhart, Perrin, Whitson, Treschev
STS-112: Magnus, Sellers, Yurchikhin
STS-113: Herrington, Pettit
STS-107: McCool, Clark, Brown, Ramon
STS-114: Camarda, Noguchi
STS-121: Nowak, Fossum, Wilson
STS-115: Ferguson, Piper
STS-116: Oefelein, Fuglesang, Williams, Patrick, Higginbotham
STS-117: Archambault, Olivas, Swanson
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 11/06/2006 01:21 AM
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Ben E - 5/11/2006  10:38 AM

With the recent selection of the STS-125 crew, I noticed that - had Columbia not been lost - the SM-4 mission was originally scheduled for April 2004. Would the 'same' crew (ie Altman-Johnson-Grunsfeld-Massimino-McArthur-Good-Feustel) have remained attached to the 'original', pre-Columbia HST crew? As of February 1st 2003, even the EVA crew members for SM-4 hadn't been named - giving them (at most) 14 months to train.

Similarly, with the exception of Poindexter (who was, at the time, assigned as PLT of STS-120), would Frick's crew have flown the 'original' Columbus mission?

Or would there have been a different line-up? Or will we never know?

I'm baffled by this question -- what is supposed to be learned from yet another set of guesses?  It's fairly obvious that very few outside astronaut office management will ever know the reasons certain individuals are assigned to specific missions...  and if so, likely not for years.  While there's an undeniable thrill to be gained from possessing a bit of hard information -- the identify of the STS-125 crew -- two steps ahead of the general public, what is the value of speculating about some momentary set of decisions involving people none of us (well, few of us ;) actually know?

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: fdasun on 11/06/2006 02:40 AM
After STS and before CEV, perhaps astronaut office will assign certain individuals to COTS (given D option of COTS, crew launch and return, is available by then and accepted by NASA & training completed). If so, those who failed to get a seat on shuttle can fly to space and gain space expereince before CEV.

Hardly to believe that NASA would leave US on the ground for 4 or 5 years when other countries are getting more and more achievements in space.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 11/06/2006 11:35 AM
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fdasun - 5/11/2006  10:23 PM

After STS and before CEV, perhaps astronaut office will assign certain individuals to COTS (given D option of COTS, crew launch and return, is available by then and accepted by NASA & training completed). If so, those who failed to get a seat on shuttle can fly to space and gain space expereince before CEV.

Hardly to believe that NASA would leave US on the ground for 4 or 5 years when other countries are getting more and more achievements in space.


If COTS is viable, it would only be used for ISS crew changes.  There is no need for "space" experience.  Crews need vehicle or task (RMS, EVA,etc) experience, COTS doesn't provide this
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 11/06/2006 01:38 PM
And that is a big if.

I think that Soyuz is a better bet to carry crew beyond 2010.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/06/2006 05:45 PM
Michael,

It was purely a question out of interest, that's all. I was particularly interested in astronauts such as Walheim, who (I think) was an EVA representative for the Astronaut Office at the time of STS-107, and wondered how far in advance astronauts are 'groomed' for subsequent and specific assignments. Same for Schlegel - it was obvious that an ESA astronaut would get a slot on the Columbus mission, but for a long time the speculation was that it might be Clervoy, and not Schlegel.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 11/06/2006 05:50 PM
ISS crew requirements documents

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=5169&posts=1&start=1
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TALsite on 11/06/2006 07:38 PM
For all "slaytoners" as (I think) nethegauner, Ben E, or myself, look at this pdf document titled "Improving Management of the Astronaut Corps" posted by ASCAN1984 in the Collectspace forum:

http://collectspace.com/ubb/Forum38/HTML/000493.html


slaytoner: people who would like to work in Deke Slayton's job in the Astronaut Office.  
Probably the worst English word invented by an Spanish....    ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 11/07/2006 04:34 AM
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Ben E - 6/11/2006  12:28 PM

Michael,

It was purely a question out of interest, that's all. I was particularly interested in astronauts such as Walheim, who (I think) was an EVA representative for the Astronaut Office at the time of STS-107, and wondered how far in advance astronauts are 'groomed' for subsequent and specific assignments. Same for Schlegel - it was obvious that an ESA astronaut would get a slot on the Columbus mission, but for a long time the speculation was that it might be Clervoy, and not Schlegel.


Ben,

I don't denigrate interest, but these are questions that simply can't be answered -- they're the equivalent of fantasy football.  How far in advance are astronauts groomed for assignments?  Depends on the assignment.  Mike Lopez-Alegria told me in April 1997 that he was going to be assigned to ISS 3A.... and had been ticketed for that at least six months prior.   But that was one of about sixteen astronaut EVA assembly assignments made at the same time.... an atypical set of events.

Were some of the 125 astronauts ticketed for that mission back in 2002?  You can bet that Grunsfeld and Massimino were, and probably Altman and even Carey -- but definitive data is not only not forthcoming any time soon, and really, what is the point?  There are 100 astronauts with varying skills, training and experience....and they are fed into assignments based on dozens of factors, some of them entirely arbitrary and even chaotic.  Some do well and fly again... some do well and leave.... it can't be predicted or war-gamed from the outside.  Even those inside the astronaut office are often surprised if not completely baffled by what happens.  There's no way that speculating on these decisions is going to be even half-informed.... which, to me, means it's not worth bothering about, especially if we're talking about what-might-have-beens.

Michael Cassutt

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/07/2006 09:07 AM
Michael,

Yes, in a sense, I agree. I recall watching a TV documentary called "Astronauts" in about 1996-97, which covered the training and flight of the STS-72 crew. At one point, cameras were in the Astronaut Office briefing room when Bob Cabana (then chief) named the crew. Winston Scott was congratulated by (I think) Nancy Currie, who told him that he "didn't say a thing last night [about the assignment]", to which Scott replied "I didn't know last night!"
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 11/08/2006 06:55 AM
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Ben E - 7/11/2006  10:50 AM
I recall watching a TV documentary called "Astronauts" in about 1996-97, which covered the training and flight of the STS-72 crew.
Did that air in the UK? Gosh, You are a lucky one. I heard about that documentary, but it never aired here. I would have loved to watch it -- I saw the launch of STS-72!

But now to something completely different: Hey, Ben E, I hope Your Challenger book will be good. I put it on my Wunschzettel for Christmas... -- if I should actually get it, but not happen to like it, I will swim all the way to England and demand the money back!

  :o  ;)  :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: oscar71 on 11/08/2006 02:54 PM
Astronauts aired on PBS.  My favorite scene was when Winston Scott's wife said incredously after the launch "They're up there!  They're really up there!" and then almost wistfully asked, "Are they having fun?".
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/08/2006 03:21 PM
Or even when Winston phoned his wife to tell her that he'd been assigned as MS2, to which her response was "That's nice, dear". Is the film available on DVD? I did tape record it back in 1997, but subsequently taped over it by mistake.

Nethegauner, I've just finished marking up the second set of page proofs for CHALLENGER and it has gone back to the printer for final production, so fingers firmly crossed it should be out in the next few weeks.

BTW Did anyone ever see that Horizon documentary on the night before STS-26's liftoff - I think it was called 'The Diary of Discovery'? That was superb. I was 11 years old at the time and still have it on tape.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 11/09/2006 04:44 PM
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Ben E - 7/11/2006  3:50 AM

Michael,

Yes, in a sense, I agree. I recall watching a TV documentary called "Astronauts" in about 1996-97, which covered the training and flight of the STS-72 crew. At one point, cameras were in the Astronaut Office briefing room when Bob Cabana (then chief) named the crew. Winston Scott was congratulated by (I think) Nancy Currie, who told him that he "didn't say a thing last night [about the assignment]", to which Scott replied "I didn't know last night!"

Ben,

A good example.  The pattern seems to be this: commanders are told weeks, possibly months in advance, of a likely flight assignment.  An experienced mission specialist will be given the same information ahead of time -- both of these will be coordinated, obviously: commanders are usually given veto power over crewmembers, or failing absolute veto, the right to object ;)

The rookie astronauts often learn just prior to the internal announcement -- night before or early on the day of -- or at that time.  There are exceptions to this: ISS crews are usually in place many months before any announcement, and the recent STS-125 crew all knew days if not weeks earlier.

That said -- has anyone noticed that Bowersox is back on flight status, no longer classed as management?  ;)

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 11/09/2006 06:48 PM
Hi Michael,
I hadn't noticed that about Bowersox.
I see that Jim Halsell has now left NASA though:

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/news/releases/2006/J06-100.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/10/2006 08:48 AM
Michael,

Regarding your point about 'experienced' Mission Specialists, a couple of questions:

1) The STS-51 crew is (I think) alone in post-51L crews to have an all-rookie MS complement. I know they did this prior to Challenger, but I'm quite sure STS-51 is the only time they've done it since. Was there ever a reason given? CB certainly wasn't short of veteran Mission Specialists in the 1992-1993 timeframe.

2) Apart from the seating arrangement on the flight deck and middeck, is 'MS1' supposed to be the 'lead' Mission Specialist (or, more correctly, 'lead' on the primary payload)? Looking at previous missions, this mostly seems to be the case, although I've seen Payload Commanders who've been MS3s, MS4s etc in the past. Or are the numbers meaningless and simply chosen at the CDR's discretion?

Incidently, I did read that Husband GAVE Chawla the MS2 seat on STS-107 because he wanted to give her a chance to 'prove herself' after the STS-87 Spartan failure.

Thanks
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 11/10/2006 12:18 PM
I bet answer to #1 is just a random occurance

MS1 is not the lead MS or payload commander but the flight engineer for ascent and entry.  And on some missions there are different MS1's for ascent and entry.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: collectSPACE on 11/10/2006 12:42 PM
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Michael Cassutt - 9/11/2006  11:27 AM

That said -- has anyone noticed that Bowersox is back on flight status, no longer classed as management?
Per NASA:

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Captain Bowersox will continue to serve as the Director of FCOD through the upcoming launch and landing of
STS-115. At that time, he will be named to a position on the Center Director's staff pending his retirement from the Navy.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 11/10/2006 04:16 PM
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Jim - 10/11/2006  7:01 AM

I bet answer to #1 is just a random occurance

MS1 is not the lead MS or payload commander but the flight engineer for ascent and entry.  And on some missions there are different MS1's for ascent and entry.

Not correct about the flight engineer bit. MS2 is *always* the flight engineer.

Dave
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spaceshuttle on 11/10/2006 05:20 PM
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Ben E - 10/11/2006  3:31 AM

Incidently, I did read that Husband GAVE Chawla the MS2 seat on STS-107 because he wanted to give her a chance to 'prove herself' after the STS-87 Spartan failure.

Thanks

that [spartan] wasn't her fault, though...was it?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 11/10/2006 06:23 PM
Let's say that the Spartan didn't fail on its own
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spaceshuttle on 11/10/2006 06:49 PM
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Jim - 10/11/2006  1:06 PM

Let's say that the Spartan didn't fail on its own

aw, KC! what happened? what's the "scoop" :P ?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spaceshuttle on 11/10/2006 06:49 PM
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Jim - 10/11/2006  1:06 PM

Let's say that the Spartan didn't fail on its own

aw, KC! what happened? what's the "scoop" :P ?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 11/10/2006 07:37 PM
If I remember well, a line in the deployment checklist was jumped.

I was very surprised at the time, was very unusual to see an astronaut having been singled out by NASA in such a way, having committed a mistake.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: oscar71 on 11/10/2006 08:19 PM
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hektor - 10/11/2006  2:20 PM

If I remember well, a line in the deployment checklist was jumped.

I was very surprised at the time, was very unusual to see an astronaut having been singled out by NASA in such a way, having committed a mistake.

Although Chawla was partially to blame for the failure, the accounts that I have read based on the incident report (I haven't actually read the report) placed greater blame on training and the software involved.  Apparently, skipping a line in the procedures did not generate any form of error messages and the crew (not just Chawla) was led to believe that everything was go for deploy.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/11/2006 06:12 AM
dcfowler1,

Actually, I'm not sure about the MS2 as 'always' the flight engineer, particularly in the early days. In 2005, I had the opportunity to interview Vance Brand and asked him who served as flight engineer ('MS2') for ascent and entry on STS-5 - he told me Lenoir did it for ascent and Allen did it for entry. Hence those dramatic shots of Brand and Overmyer during the fiery entry are attributed to 'Joe Allen'. Brand told me he did this to give both men some flight engineer experience.

So maybe the positions DO swap on some missions, although this doesn't appear to have happened anytime recently.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 11/11/2006 12:27 PM
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Ben E - 11/11/2006  1:55 AM

dcfowler1,

Actually, I'm not sure about the MS2 as 'always' the flight engineer, particularly in the early days. In 2005, I had the opportunity to interview Vance Brand and asked him who served as flight engineer ('MS2') for ascent and entry on STS-5 - he told me Lenoir did it for ascent and Allen did it for entry. Hence those dramatic shots of Brand and Overmyer during the fiery entry are attributed to 'Joe Allen'. Brand told me he did this to give both men some flight engineer experience.

So maybe the positions DO swap on some missions, although this doesn't appear to have happened anytime recently.


MS2 is a seat position, not a title.  Who ever sits in the flight engineer position is MS2.  Technically, anyone flying in the left foward cockpit position is the CDR, same PLT for the right position.  In fact, during ground processing, any technician in those seat positions take on those call signs.

A crew is made up of CDR, PLT and X # of MS's.  The call signs of MS's are more for seating positions, than task assignments (other than FE). The payload commander can be any MS.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 11/13/2006 05:41 PM
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Ben E - 11/11/2006  12:55 AM

dcfowler1,

Actually, I'm not sure about the MS2 as 'always' the flight engineer, particularly in the early days. In 2005, I had the opportunity to interview Vance Brand and asked him who served as flight engineer ('MS2') for ascent and entry on STS-5 - he told me Lenoir did it for ascent and Allen did it for entry. Hence those dramatic shots of Brand and Overmyer during the fiery entry are attributed to 'Joe Allen'. Brand told me he did this to give both men some flight engineer experience.

So maybe the positions DO swap on some missions, although this doesn't appear to have happened anytime recently.

The MS2 "swap" on STS-5 was due to the unique nature of seating on the flight deck -- still had the ejection seats for CDR and PLT, with a single jumpseat for the MS2/flight engineer.

Since then, the MS2 for ascent has been the MS2 for entry.

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/14/2006 02:20 PM
I did hear somewhere (can't remember where) that a similar situation existed on STS-9, the first Spacelab mission, and that Parker served as MS2 and Garriott, Merbold and Lichtenberg sat downstairs on the middeck throughout ascent and entry.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: FNG on 11/15/2006 07:57 PM
Ben,

I am sure you right. There would have been three on the flight deck as the ejection seats on Columbia were still in place for STS 9. By the time Columbia flew again on STS 61 C they had been replaced by the 'standard' fixed seats.

FNG
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: oscar71 on 11/15/2006 08:56 PM
The Space Facts website has a seating position for every manned spaceflight through to the Soyuz TMA-10 flight.  

http://www.spacefacts.de/english/flights.htm
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 11/15/2006 09:15 PM
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FNG - 15/11/2006  9:40 PM

Ben,

I am sure you right. There would have been three on the flight deck as the ejection seats on Columbia were still in place for STS 9. By the time Columbia flew again on STS 61 C they had been replaced by the 'standard' fixed seats.

FNG

I thought that after STS-4 the ejection seats were dis armed and the crews that flew STS-5 and STS-9 could not use the ejection seats..I remember reading that somewere...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 11/15/2006 09:39 PM
They were disarmed but the seats themselves still remained.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 11/20/2006 11:45 AM
Did we know that Chamitoff is on ISS-17 with Kopra as his back-up?

I just read it on www.spacefacts.de and could not remember if we had already mentioned it here or on L2.


Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 11/20/2006 12:01 PM
Thought it would be Magnus AND Chamitoff on the same expedition ? Like Anderson and Tani.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 12/12/2006 11:31 PM
I noticed that there are only two Group 16 astronauts that have not flown or been assigned to a shuttle flight...Yvonne Cagle and Frank Caldeiro.
Astronauts from Group 17 are already shuttle veterans and a few from Group 18 are assigned to future  missions.
Are Cagle and Caldeiro still eligible to fly?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 12/13/2006 08:37 AM
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TJL - 13/12/2006  1:14 AM
Are Cagle and Caldeiro still eligible to fly?
Yes, but check L2 for details about why they have not yet been assigned---this is a much discussed topic ...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 12/16/2006 09:33 PM
With a limited amount of shuttle missions remaining before the vehicle is retired in 2010, and numerous astronauts waiting for their first and possibly last spaceflight, I was wondering why NASA is still assigning veteran PLT Charles Hobaugh as PLT once again on STS-118.
Pilots in Hobaughs group (16) were assigned as CDR after one mission (ie: Polansky, S. Kelly, Frick)...any reason why he is serving twice as PLT?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: tlc125 on 12/17/2006 08:57 PM
Hi all -

First post - but I've been lurking awhile!
I would think with less than a year to go before the launch of STS-123, NASA should be getting ready to make a crew announcemnt soon.  Probably for 124 also.  Any guesses?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: texas_space on 12/17/2006 09:33 PM
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tlc125 - 17/12/2006  3:40 PM

Hi all -

First post - but I've been lurking awhile!
I would think with less than a year to go before the launch of STS-123, NASA should be getting ready to make a crew announcemnt soon.  Probably for 124 also.  Any guesses?

tlc125 brings up an interesting point.  Is there an average amount of time before a mission that the crew is announced?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 12/17/2006 09:51 PM
varies
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 12/20/2006 12:52 AM
Was Dominic Gorie selected as CDR on STS-123?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Martin FL on 12/20/2006 01:44 AM
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TJL - 19/12/2006  7:35 PM

Was Dominic Gorie selected as CDR on STS-123?

The STS-122 and STS-123 crews are listed in the brilliant "Flight crew assignments - L2" pages, well over 400 updates on there, obviously on L2. Hopefully Chris will write an article on this sometime as the even better mission overview document "STS-123: FDRD Baseline Presentation." on L2 now also.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/20/2006 01:49 AM
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TJL - 20/12/2006  1:35 AM

Was Dominic Gorie selected as CDR on STS-123?

Our information says yes.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Stevo on 12/20/2006 03:20 AM
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Chris Bergin - 19/12/2006  9:32 PM

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TJL - 20/12/2006  1:35 AM

Was Dominic Gorie selected as CDR on STS-123?

Our information says yes.

Spacefacts.de is reporting the following for STS-123:

CDR - Dom Gorie
PLT - Greg H. Johnson
MS - Rick Linnehan
MS - Mike Foreman
MS - Bob Behnken
MS - Takao Doi (Backup is Naoko Yamazaki)
MS/EXP - Koichi Wakata (Backup Soichi Noguchi)

Also they have Thirsk going to ISS on STS-124, with Chamitoff replacing him on STS-119.

Stevo
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 12/20/2006 06:23 AM
Why do they need a back-up for a MS ? For an Expedition crew this is common practice, but this is maybe the first time there is a MS back-up.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: tlc125 on 12/20/2006 09:31 AM
Foreman is already on the 120 crew.  That would be the quickest turnaround ever (I think) if it's true.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 12/20/2006 10:09 AM
Except STS-83 and STS-94 maybe... ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 12/20/2006 11:14 AM
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hektor - 20/12/2006  2:06 AM

Why do they need a back-up for a MS ? For an Expedition crew this is common practice, but this is maybe the first time there is a MS back-up.

It is a common practice for MS that are foreign participants.   For example, Titov and Krikalev
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 12/20/2006 11:30 AM
All I can say is that this has never happened for an ESA MS. Nor CNES MS. It did happen for ESA and CNES PS. JAXA and CSA I don't know. Maybe just for Russian MS so far ?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 12/20/2006 12:01 PM
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hektor - 20/12/2006  7:13 AM

All I can say is that this has never happened for an ESA MS. Nor CNES MS. It did happen for ESA and CNES PS. JAXA and CSA I don't know. Maybe just for Russian MS so far ?

  Foreign astronauts assigned to NASA still work for their national space agencies.  As an MS, they receive the same training on the ISS and Shuttle systems as a NASA MS.  This is done for convienance and to save money, and all the other agencies don't have to build their ISS training centers.  There is the crew team building aspect too.  But they aren't there to support only NASA's agenda but also their own agency's agendas.  The will be eventually supporting their own experiments and hardware.  One agency's agenda may include having one of their astronauts fly on the same missions as their hardware (for national prestige).  To ensure this, backups may be assigned.  

A good parallel would be NATO and the officers assigned to it from all the participating nations.  JSC is like NATO headquarters.


Also the distinction between MS and PS are becoming blurred due to SPF's and space agencies wanting representatives to fly with their hardware.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 12/20/2006 12:06 PM
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hektor - 20/12/2006  7:13 AM

All I can say is that this has never happened for an ESA MS. Nor CNES MS. It did happen for ESA and CNES PS. JAXA and CSA I don't know. Maybe just for Russian MS so far ?

Also, you are looking for that thing called logic, which doesn't apply to astronauts assignments
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Stevo on 12/20/2006 01:47 PM
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tlc125 - 20/12/2006  5:14 AM

Foreman is already on the 120 crew.  That would be the quickest turnaround ever (I think) if it's true.

All I can say is check L2.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: tlc125 on 12/20/2006 02:06 PM
Don't have access to L2 just yet, but Wikipedia is showing Wilson has replaced Foreman on 120.  I'm sure when I get on to L2 I'll find out why!

Thanks.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 01/05/2007 10:10 AM
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hektor - 20/12/2006  8:06 AM

Why do they need a back-up for a MS ? For an Expedition crew this is common practice, but this is maybe the first time there is a MS back-up.
Mae Jemison had a back-up on STS-47. But although she was an MS, the back-up would have been a PS from the research community. Funny, isn't it?

Here's the source:

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930004376_1993004376.pdf
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: shuttlefan on 01/05/2007 12:52 PM
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tlc125 - 20/12/2006  4:14 AM

Foreman is already on the 120 crew.  That would be the quickest turnaround ever (I think) if it's true.

Do you remember when, in 2002, Pilot Paul Lockart flew on STS-111 in June, and then replaced a pilot on STS-113 in November of 2002? That would be the quickest turnaround, besides STS-83-STS-94. ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: tlc125 on 01/05/2007 01:21 PM
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shuttlefan - 5/1/2007  8:35 AM

[Do you remember when, in 2002, Pilot Paul Lockart flew on STS-111 in June, and then replaced a pilot on STS-113 in November of 2002? That would be the quickest turnaround, besides STS-83-STS-94. ;)

True, but I really meant multiple assignments to different crews from the time the crew was announced.   As of today, 120 nor 123 has flown, and it looked for a minute there like Foreman would be lucky enough to be on both.  Of course now its pretty clear that that's not gonna happen.

Lockhart stepped in after 111 to replace Loria who was originally assigned as PLT on 113, and 83/94 was a total reflight of crew and payload.

I do remember way back in the program, however, that Nagle was assigned as an MS on one flight (51G) and as PLT on another (61A) BEFORE either one flew.  If memory serves, 51G launched in June 1985 and 61A in October '85.  He must have gone through some pretty intensive training between those two dates!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: FNG on 01/05/2007 07:52 PM
With regard to Steve Nagel, the press release for his first flight was dated 17th November 1983 - with launch scheduled for October 1984 and the press release for his second flight - scheduled for September 1985 - is dated 14th February 1984. So at the time of selection there was 11 months scheduled between Nagel's flights.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spaceshuttle on 01/05/2007 08:08 PM
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tlc125 - 5/1/2007  8:04 AM

Lockhart stepped in after 111 to replace Loria who was originally assigned as PLT on 113, and 83/94 was a total reflight of crew and payload.

Yeah, what's the story behind that?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: FNG on 01/05/2007 09:03 PM
Loria had an accident at home that meant he had to withdraw from training. Well that is one version of the story - I have seen other reasons for Loria dropping out elsewhere on this site. It may have been on L2, so I will not say more here.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: tlc125 on 01/05/2007 09:18 PM
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FNG - 5/1/2007  3:35 PM

With regard to Steve Nagel, the press release for his first flight was dated 17th November 1983 - with launch scheduled for October 1984 and the press release for his second flight - scheduled for September 1985 - is dated 14th February 1984. So at the time of selection there was 11 months scheduled between Nagel's flights.

Still, must have been a rush to know in Feb '84 that you were going up in October of that year AND September of the next.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: texas_space on 01/07/2007 11:22 PM
Has NASA announced if they will go back to the practice of selecting backup crews for the Orion lunar missions? I believe that NASA stopped doing that after the first couple of shuttle flights.  The ISS crewmembers have backups I think.  It would make sense to have backups on lunar missions due to the prep time and availability of launch windows.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: fdasun on 01/10/2007 07:47 AM
STS-125 Hubble Mission now has been switched to Atlantis with a new launch date --- Sept. 11, 2008.

Any hint of who will be named as the rescue crew of LON-326 for STS-125 ??? ... Since LON-326 is a totally different mission from any other regular ISS or ISS-LON flight, LON-326 crew do need special and rigorous traninings particularly. So, probably the crew should be selected and confirmed as earlier as possible...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 01/10/2007 11:02 AM
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fdasun - 10/1/2007  3:30 AM

STS-125 Hubble Mission now has been switched to Atlantis with a new launch date --- Sept. 11, 2008.

Any hint of who will be named as the rescue crew of LON-326 for STS-125 ??? ... Since LON-326 is a totally different mission from any other regular ISS or ISS-LON flight, LON-326 crew do need special and rigorous traninings particularly. So, probably the crew should be selected and confirmed as earlier as possible...

 It isn't than much different.  It is just like the others, a rendezous and docking mission.  Only the crew transfer is a little different
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 01/30/2007 03:12 AM
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        Assignment of Astronauts for the Space Shuttle Mission
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The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) announced the
selection of the following astronauts as crew members for the Space
Shuttle mission to assemble the Japanese Experiment Module (JEM)
"Kibo" (1J/A.)
The Kibo, which has been developed by the Japan Aerospace Exploration
Agency (JAXA) as part of the International Space Station (ISS)
Program, is scheduled to be launched by three Space Shuttle missions.
On the first of the three missions, the Experiment Logistics Module
Pressurized Section will be attached to the ISS. This mission also
will deliver the Canadian Space Agency's Dextre robotic system.
Astronaut Takao Doi has been assigned as a crew member on this
mission. Astronaut Naoko Yamazaki will assist the mission from the
ground as the Crew Support Astronaut (CSA).


Crew Commander           Capt. Dominic L. Gorie
     Pilot               Col. Gregory H. Johnson
     Mission Specialist  Richard M. Linnehan
     Mission Specialist  Maj. Robert L. Behnken
     Mission Specialist  Capt. Michael J. Foreman
     Mission Specialist  Takao Doi


Attachment
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  Comment from Astronaut Doi
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/01/20070130_sts-123_e.html#at02
  Outline of the Kibo
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/01/20070130_sts-123_e.html#at03

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  JAXA Astronaut Selected for Space Shuttle Mission for Transporting
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Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 02/03/2007 09:04 PM
What do you think the chances are of (Group 8 astronaut) Anna Fisher getting assigned to one of the few remaining Shuttle flights?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 02/04/2007 03:27 AM
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TJL - 3/2/2007  4:04 PM

What do you think the chances are of (Group 8 astronaut) Anna Fisher getting assigned to one of the few remaining Shuttle flights?

Less than zero.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: texas_space on 02/04/2007 04:19 AM
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TJL - 3/2/2007  4:04 PM

What do you think the chances are of (Group 8 astronaut) Anna Fisher getting assigned to one of the few remaining Shuttle flights?

She's already flown...let one of the unflown rookies have a chance.  Especially while they're still something to fly on.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 02/04/2007 04:58 AM
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TJL - 3/2/2007  4:04 PM

What do you think the chances are of (Group 8 astronaut) Anna Fisher getting assigned to one of the few remaining Shuttle flights?

Fisher had her flight in 1985 and left to raise her family.  I imagine she'll never fly again.  She'll probably serve on technical assignments within the astronaut office for the rest of her tenure at NASA.  She's not 'old' by my terms, but there are a lot of younger astronauts that need to get their shot before NASA goes into a four year, no-fly rut.  It's a safe bet that's the reason we're seeing so many rookies being assigned to the upcoming missions.  There were five rookies on STS-116, three on 117, 118, 120, 122 and 123 and four on 125.  That's 19 rookies on scheduled flights after 116.  You need some experienced flyers but Fisher hasn't flown in the almost-22 years since STS-51A.  They need to have flown more recently.  Long-winded but I felt like dishing out some stats. ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 02/04/2007 07:32 AM
So why is she still at the Astronaut Office? She's not listed as 'management', like Lucid et al, which suggests that she's 'active' and not 'doing something else'. It's peculiar that Steve Hawley returned to the Astronaut Office in February 1996, at around the same time as Fisher, and he got an immediate reassignment. February 1996 was seven full years before Columbia, at a time when the Shuttle was expected to continue flying for years and years and years and there were plenty of flight opportunities, even for John Glenn. There was wrangling in 1996-97 over who to send to Mir for long duration missions, with the original emphasis being upon medical doctors - Fisher is a medical doctor - why was she never considered?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: MATTBLAK on 02/04/2007 09:08 AM
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Ben E - 4/2/2007  6:32 PM

Fisher is a medical doctor - why was she never considered?

Up until a couple of years ago, I would have said the reason was: George Abbey. Regardless, it's a shame really, as Dr Fisher is a really nice lady. It would be nice to think she'd be on one of the last Shuttle flights, but like others here have said, unfortunately, I doubt it will happen.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 02/04/2007 01:12 PM
Thanks for all of your opinions...very interesting. I kind of agree that our "rookie' astronauts should get  their chance to fly before 2010. On the other hand, we're still seeing "veterans" such as Parazynski and Linnehan with 4 and 3 previous shuttle flights respectively, getting new flight assignments.
I guess, as it has been said before on this forum, there is no logic to flight crew selection.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 02/04/2007 01:33 PM
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Ben E - 4/2/2007  2:32 AM

So why is she still at the Astronaut Office? She's not listed as 'management', like Lucid et al, which suggests that she's 'active' and not 'doing something else'. It's peculiar that Steve Hawley returned to the Astronaut Office in February 1996, at around the same time as Fisher, and he got an immediate reassignment. February 1996 was seven full years before Columbia, at a time when the Shuttle was expected to continue flying for years and years and years and there were plenty of flight opportunities, even for John Glenn. There was wrangling in 1996-97 over who to send to Mir for long duration missions, with the original emphasis being upon medical doctors - Fisher is a medical doctor - why was she never considered?

Hawley had flown just six years before he returned on STS-31 (Hubble launch) so there's not a huge gap in between flight times.  Fisher went over eleven years after flying before she returned.  I'm sure that makes a difference.  As for not sending her to Mir, I'm willing to bet it was due to her size.  For most, you had to have been tall enough to be able to fit into the Russian Orlan space suit to stay for a long-duration flight at Mir.  The same goes for ISS missions today.  You have to be able to fit into the Russian and US space suits to stay.  It's why so few women have ever performed EVAs (9 total I believe).  One fact to back that up: Wendy Lawrence was set to replace Mike Foale after his stay on Mir, but because she was too small to fit into the Orlan, Dave Wolf was sent to stay in her stead.  She still got to fly the mission aboard Atlantis (STS-86) but she had to come home after dropping Wolf off.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 02/04/2007 01:49 PM
While on the subject of ISS missions, are the crew members for NEEMO undersea expeditions expected to fly ISS expeditions? I know some have already been assigned and even flown them - Magnus, Whitson, Fincke, Kopra, Chamitoff, Reisman etc - but what of Coleman, Behnken, Dave Williams etc?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 02/04/2007 01:51 PM
Bob Behnken is assigned to STS-123 and Dave Williams to STS-118.
Haven't seen anything yet about Cady Coleman.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 02/04/2007 02:05 PM
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Ben E - 4/2/2007  8:49 AM

While on the subject of ISS missions, are the crew members for NEEMO undersea expeditions expected to fly ISS expeditions? I know some have already been assigned and even flown them - Magnus, Whitson, Fincke, Kopra, Chamitoff, Reisman etc - but what of Coleman, Behnken, Dave Williams etc?

Not necessarily.  They do have some good experience under their belts but it doesn't necessarily equal ISS flight assignment, whether on a station-bound shuttle or long-duration stay.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 02/04/2007 07:50 PM
"[/QUOTE]

Up until a couple of years ago, I would have said the reason was: George Abbey. Regardless, it's a shame really, as Dr Fisher is a really nice lady. It would be nice to think she'd be on one of the last Shuttle flights, but like others here have said, unfortunately, I doubt it will happen.[/QUOTE]"

Actually, the story is that in Abbey's most recent tenure, she had cultivated a close relationship with him, and he had promised her an ISS increment. When he left however, he flight chances evaporated.

Dave

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 02/04/2007 08:43 PM
Is she tall enough to fly an ISS increment?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Suzy on 02/08/2007 03:36 AM
I don't know if this is the appropriate thread to ask this, but with Sergei Krikalyov's promotion (http://www.energia.ru/english/energia/news/news-2007/news_02-05.html), have the upcoming Soyuz crew flight assignments been rearranged? (He was Soyuz TMA-12 backup and TMA-14 commander)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 02/09/2007 10:36 PM
Does anyone know if Clay Anderson's back-up, Greg Chamitoff, is the last scheduled US astronaut to fly on Soyuz?...Thanks.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: flyboy7077 on 02/10/2007 08:16 PM
Here's an interesting article by Homer Hickam

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/4541767.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 02/11/2007 03:51 AM
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Suzy - 7/2/2007  10:36 PM

I don't know if this is the appropriate thread to ask this, but with Sergei Krikalyov's promotion (http://www.energia.ru/english/energia/news/news-2007/news_02-05.html), have the upcoming Soyuz crew flight assignments been rearranged? (He was Soyuz TMA-12 backup and TMA-14 commander)

Good question, and I'm not sure. He was still listed on the crews at JSC as of Jan 30.

Dave

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 02/11/2007 07:57 PM
The image below contains current compositions of nearest prime ISS Expedition crews, according to information from editor of Novosti kosmonavtiki magazine Sergey Shamsutdinov...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 02/11/2007 08:13 PM
Are all the commanders on the top red line ?

Any insight about the third crew of TMA-13 ? could it be the Kazakh guy ?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Satori on 02/11/2007 08:45 PM
And what about the back-up crews for the Expediton 17 and 18 members?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 02/12/2007 03:06 PM
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hektor - 11/2/2007  12:13 AM

Are all the commanders on the top red line?

Yes, of course... ISS Commanders are Lopez-Alegria, Yurchikhin, Volkov and Fincke...

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Satori - 12/2/2007  12:45 AM

And what about the back-up crews for the Expediton 17 and 18 members?

Expedition 17 back-up crew: CDR is TBD, FE1 is Surayev, FE2 are Kopra (for Reisman) and Stott (for Magnus)...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 02/12/2007 05:11 PM
I did also hear that Creamer is training for an expedition. Is that accurate and, if so, when will he be slotted in?

Is Chamitoff's expedition pushed into 2009 now?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 02/12/2007 10:15 PM
What surprises me about the scheduled Expedition crews is that Melenchenko, who served as ISS EXP-7 CDR, is returning as Flight Engineer, while Sharipov who served as F.E. on EXP-10 is returning as Flight Engineer once again.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 02/12/2007 11:39 PM
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TJL - 12/2/2007  5:15 PM

What surprises me about the scheduled Expedition crews is that Melenchenko, who served as ISS EXP-7 CDR, is returning as Flight Engineer, while Sharipov who served as F.E. on EXP-10 is returning as Flight Engineer once again.

Possibly a different Malenchenko?  That would kind of suck to go from CDR to FE.  Funny how he was the first guy to get married in orbit.  Glad to see some new faces going up and some older ones returning.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 02/13/2007 12:50 AM
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nathan.moeller - 12/2/2007  3:39 PM

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TJL - 12/2/2007  5:15 PM

What surprises me about the scheduled Expedition crews is that Melenchenko, who served as ISS EXP-7 CDR, is returning as Flight Engineer, while Sharipov who served as F.E. on EXP-10 is returning as Flight Engineer once again.

Possibly a different Malenchenko?  That would kind of suck to go from CDR to FE.  Funny how he was the first guy to get married in orbit.  Glad to see some new faces going up and some older ones returning.
Hey Nathan, I've seen pictures of the Whitson/Malenchenko crew in training, and it's the same Yuri as from Exp-7.  Apparently he doesn't mind the 'demotion', if you want to think of it that way, though obviously I don't know.  A spaceflight is a spaceflight, eh?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 02/13/2007 01:24 AM
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flyboy7077 - 10/2/2007  3:16 PM

Here's an interesting article by Homer Hickam

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/4541767.html

Interesting but hit-and-miss on the facts.

He is correct to say NASA has too many astronauts for the available flight opportunities. Of course, he admits that wasn't an original insight for him; it was the subject of a report by the NASA Inspector General.

He is wrong to suggest that Lisa Nowak had to wait ten years for her first flight because "she was passed over again and again". She was part of a huge (44) class of astronauts, and while she wasn't the first in her class to be assigned, she wasn't the last either. Part of the delay was the slowdown in shuttle flight rate starting in 1998 due to ISS delays. Another part was that she took time off to have her twins. She was assigned to STS-118 not long after returning from maternity leave. Then came the Columbia accident, grounding the fleet and delaying *everyone's* flights. When STS-121 was inserted into the manifest, she was moved *up* to get assigned to it.

While he is correct to suggest that downsizing the astronaut office is in order, his suggestion to remove some mission specialists from the astronaut office to open up seats on the remaining shuttle flights to non-NASA scientists and engineers is complete and utter Incorrect. All of the remaining shuttle flights are either ISS assembly or HST servicing, and all require MSes who have been trained on EVA, robotics, and rendezvous. Throwing out perfectly good MSes who already have the prerequisite training in favor of people who have not is just plain stupid, and is not a suggestion I would have expected from a former astronaut training manager. Downsizing should not come at the expense of making sure all remaining flights are crewed by trained and qualified MSes.
--
JRF

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 02/13/2007 03:12 AM
Feb. 12, 2007

Katherine Trinidad
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-3749

Nicole Cloutier-Lemasters
Johnson Space Center, Houston
281-483-5111

RELEASE: 07-39

NASA ANNOUNCES THREE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION CREWS

WASHINGTON - NASA and its international partners have named the crews
that will live and work aboard the International Space Station for
the next two years. The crew members make up three expeditions to the
station and represent four space agencies.

The assignments include the first long-duration station flight for a
Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) astronaut and the second
long-duration station flight for an astronaut from the European Space
Agency (ESA). The JAXA and ESA astronauts will work on the
installation and checkout of the Japanese Experiment Module Kibo and
European Columbus laboratories on the station.

NASA astronaut and veteran station crew member Peggy A. Whitson will
command Expedition 16, set to begin in fall 2007. The flight
engineers for the mission include cosmonaut and Russian Air Force
Col. Yuri I. Malenchenko, ESA astronaut and French Air Force Brig.
Gen. Leopold Eyharts and NASA astronaut Garrett E. Reisman.

Malenchenko will command the Russian Soyuz spacecraft that will carry
him and Whitson to the station and return them to Earth in spring
2008. They will join NASA astronaut Daniel M. Tani aboard the
station.
Eyharts will fly to the station on space shuttle mission STS-122,
which is expected to deliver the Columbus lab this fall. Eyharts will
remain on the station to oversee activation and checkout of the
laboratory, while Tani takes the shuttle home.
Reisman will fly on shuttle Endeavour's STS-123 mission to replace
Eyharts. Reisman will remain on the station for about six months and
return on shuttle mission STS-119, targeted for summer 2008.
Russian Air Force Lt. Col. Sergei Volkov will command Expedition 17.
Expedition 17 flight engineers include cosmonaut Oleg D. Kononenko
and NASA astronaut Sandra H. Magnus.

Kononenko will command the Soyuz spacecraft that will carry him and
Volkov to the station in spring 2008 and bring them home in fall
2008.
Magnus will arrive on STS-119 and remain aboard the station. Magnus
will return on the STS-126 mission targeted for summer 2008.
NASA astronaut and station veteran Air Force Lt. Col. E. Michael
Fincke will command Expedition 18. Expedition 18 flight engineers
include cosmonaut and veteran station crew member Russian Air Force
Col. Salizhan S. Sharipov, JAXA astronaut Koichi Wakata and NASA
astronaut Gregory E. Chamitoff.

Sharipov will command the Soyuz that will carry him and Fincke to the
station in fall 2008 and back to Earth in spring 2009.
Wakata will fly to the station on STS-126 to replace Magnus. Magnus
will return to Earth on STS-126.
Chamitoff will fly to the station on the STS-127 mission, targeted for
winter 2008, the third and final flight for assembly of the Japanese
Kibo lab. Wakata will return to Earth on STS-127. Chamitoff will
return home on a later shuttle or Soyuz mission.
Expedition 16 backup crew members:

Fincke for Whitson
Sharipov for Malenchenko
ESA astronaut Frank DeWinne for Eyharts
NASA astronaut Army Lt. Col. Timothy L. Kopra for Reisman.
Expedition 17 backup crew members:

Cosmonaut and veteran station crew member Sergei Krikalev for Volkov
Cosmonaut Russian Air Force Col. Maxim V. Suraev for Kononenko
NASA astronaut Nicole P. Stott for Magnus.
Expedition 18 backup crew members:

NASA astronaut Dr. Michael R. Barratt for Fincke
Cosmonaut Russian Air Force Lt. Col. Yuri V. Lonchakov for Sharipov
JAXA astronaut Soichi Noguchi for Wakata
NASA astronaut Army Col. Timothy J. Creamer for Chamitoff.
Video of the prime crew members will air on NASA TV's Video File. For
NASA TV downlink, streaming video and scheduling information, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv For complete crew biographies, visit:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio.html

For more about upcoming space shuttle missions, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/shuttle
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 02/13/2007 03:13 AM
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                     ***  JAXA MAIL SERVICE  ***
                 Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency
----------------------------------------------------------------------
               Announcement of Japanese Expedition Crew
               to the International Space Station (ISS)

                                               February 13, 2007 (JST)
                             Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA)
                             
Space organizations in Canada, the European Union, Japan, Russia and
the United States have agreed on the following schedule and members
for the 16th to 18th Expedition Crew that will stay on the
International Space Station (ISS). We are pleased to announce that
Astronaut Koichi Wakata of the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency
(JAXA) was selected as a prime member of the Expedition 18 Crew and
Astronaut Soichi Noguchi as his backup. This is the first time for
Japanese to be selected for an Expedition crew member to stay in long
dration on the ISS.


Expected Schedule to Stay on the ISS    Fiscal year 2008
Period of Stay    About three months
Expected Activities about "Kibo"  
                  Functional check-out of the Pressurized Module and
                  science experiment there
                  Assembly and functional check-out of the Exposed
                  Facility, and other activities
Preparation for flight
                  Training for operations to assemble the
                  Japanese Experiment Module Kibo and for operation of
                  each ISS element and to be on board a Space Shuttle
                  and Soyuz.

Members of the Expedition 18 Prime Crew
   Commander   E. Michel Fincke
               (National Aeronautics and Space Administration, NASA)
               (Flying to and from the ISS by Soyuz (Planned))

   Flight Engineers
               Salizahan Shakirovich Sharipov
               (Federal Space Agency, FSA)
               (Flying to and from the ISS by Soyuz (Planned))

               Koichi Wakata (JAXA)
               (Flying to the ISS by the STS-126 (ULF1) and
                coming back by STS-127 (2J/A) (Planned))

               Gregory E. Chamitoff (NASA)
               (Flying to the ISS by STS-127 (2J/A) (Planned) and
                coming back by TBD

Reference
   Brief personal history of Astronaut Koichi Wakata and Astronaut
   Soichi Noguchi
   http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/02/20070213_iss_e.html#ref01
   Onboard Schedule for the Japanese Astronauts
   http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/02/20070213_iss_e.html#ref02
   Comment from JAXA President
   http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/02/20070213_iss_e.html#ref03
   Comments from Japanese Astronauts

Reference Link
   ISS Kibo Information Center
   http://iss.sfo.jaxa.jp/index_e.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TALsite on 02/13/2007 06:06 PM
Quote
jacqmans - 13/2/2007  5:12 AM

Kononenko will command the Soyuz spacecraft that will carry him and
Volkov to the station in spring 2008 and bring them home in fall
2008.


Why Kononenko (a flight engineer)?
Sergei Volkov is an Air Force Pilot, and a qualified Soyuz Commander.

Regards.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: vp. on 02/13/2007 06:11 PM
Where is Kaleri ?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 02/13/2007 06:53 PM
Quote
TALsite - 13/2/2007  10:06 PM

Why Kononenko (a flight engineer)? Sergei Volkov is an Air Force Pilot, and a qualified Soyuz Commander

Yes, Volkov (not Kononenko) will be the commander of Soyuz TMA-12 spacecraft... NASA press-release has a mistake...

Quote
vp. - 13/2/2007  10:11 PM

Where is Kaleri?

His spaceflight is planned in 2009 aboard the first Soyuz TMA (No. 701) spacecraft of new modification...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 02/13/2007 10:24 PM
Anik...what will be different about the Soyuz TMA (No. 701)?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 02/14/2007 04:07 PM
Quote
TJL - 14/2/2007  2:24 AM

what will be different about the Soyuz TMA (No. 701)?

Look at three last messages on this (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=740&start=151) page, please...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: vp. on 02/14/2007 05:36 PM
Thanks Anik
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 02/14/2007 06:49 PM
I have added Chamitoff into my schedule (see below), which contains current compositions of nearest prime ISS Expedition crews...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 02/14/2007 08:01 PM
Quote
anik - 14/2/2007  12:07 PM

Quote
TJL - 14/2/2007  2:24 AM

what will be different about the Soyuz TMA (No. 701)?

Look at three last messages on this (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=740&start=151) page, please...

Thank you.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Olaf on 02/15/2007 10:43 AM
Quote
anik - 13/2/2007  1:53 PM

Quote
TALsite - 13/2/2007  10:06 PM

Why Kononenko (a flight engineer)? Sergei Volkov is an Air Force Pilot, and a qualified Soyuz Commander

Yes, Volkov (not Kononenko) will be the commander of Soyuz TMA-12 spacecraft... NASA press-release has a mistake...


But Roskosmos also named Kononenko as the commander.
http://www.federalspace.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=2088
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 02/15/2007 04:59 PM
Quote
Olaf - 15/2/2007  2:43 PM

But Roskosmos also named Kononenko as the commander.
http://www.federalspace.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=2088

Roskosmos website simply has the translated NASA press-release...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Olaf on 02/15/2007 05:13 PM
Quote
anik - 15/2/2007  11:59 AM

Roskosmos website simply has the translated NASA press-release...

Sorry, that I havn´t seen it. They also use a wrong rank for Lonchakow.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jackson on 02/26/2007 05:58 PM
How far in advance will they start picking the Orion crews?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 02/26/2007 06:34 PM
How far in advance did they pick Young and Crippen ?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: collectSPACE on 02/26/2007 07:39 PM
Quote
hektor - 26/2/2007  1:34 PM

How far in advance did they pick Young and Crippen ?
I cannot find an exact date, but according to Crippen, it was between late 1977 and early 1978, at the earliest.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: oscar71 on 02/26/2007 08:22 PM
Quote
hektor - 26/2/2007  1:34 PM

How far in advance did they pick Young and Crippen ?

I have a book published in 1978 which has Young and Crippen as the STS-1 crew, with launch coming on September 29, 1979!!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Malderi on 02/27/2007 04:12 AM
Yeah, so they select crews maybe a little farther in advance, but Young and Crippen had extra time because of the delays of the first flight.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Andy L on 02/27/2007 08:28 PM
I'd say 2012 is early enough.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: FNG on 02/27/2007 11:01 PM
The OFT (STS 1 to 4)crews were selected on the 16th March 1978, when the first launch was scheduled for Spring 1979.


http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/pdf/83130main_1978.pdf
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 03/22/2007 03:25 PM
Info from L2:

STS-124:

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5054 - many thanks to Kai Multhaup, on what is his debut article here.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Malderi on 03/22/2007 07:27 PM
Any idea which expedition # will feature more than 3 crewmembers, and when they'll announce those crews?

Also, how will those crew titles be used? Will it be CDR and 5 FE's, or will there be more specific roles/titles for the expedition crews?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 03/22/2007 07:41 PM
Quote
Malderi - 22/3/2007  3:27 PM

Any idea which expedition # will feature more than 3 crewmembers, and when they'll announce those crews?

Also, how will those crew titles be used? Will it be CDR and 5 FE's, or will there be more specific roles/titles for the expedition crews?

Six-person crew capability won't be possible until after flight 17A in 2009.  They need the elements that Discovery is hauling up on mission STS-128, currently slated to fly in April 2009.  According to NASA's officials manifest page, these elements include:
 
 - Three crew quarters
 - Galley
 - Second Treadmill (TVIS2)
 - Crew Health Care System 2 (CHeCS 2)

All info comes from http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/structure/iss_manifest.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 03/22/2007 09:18 PM
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                     ***  JAXA MAIL SERVICE  ***
                 Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency
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    JAXA Astronaut Selected for the Second Space Shuttle Mission
 for Transporting and Assembling the Japanese Experiment Module Kibo

                                                  March 23, 2007 (JST)
                             Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA)
                             
We are pleased to announce that the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency
 (JAXA) and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)
agreed the Japanese astronaut to fly aboard the second Space Shuttle
flight for the transportation and assembly of the Japanese Experiment
Module Kibo of the International Space Station (ISS) (STS-124/1J).

Assigned Astronaut: Astronaut Akihiko Hoshide (Mission Specialist(MS))
Orbiter: Atlantis
Planned Flight Schedule: Early 2008
Mission Duration: About two weeks
Expected activities:
        Assemble the Pressurized Module (PM) to the ISS and activate
        it, and perform other activities. Specific tasks assigned to
        him are to be determined in the future.
Planned schedule of the Astronaut:
        General training for being aboard the Space Shuttle and the
        ISS and specific training for Kibo assembly will be provided.

Reference: Brief personal history of Astronaut Akihiko Hoshide
           http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/03/20070323_kibo_e.html#ref01
           Onboard Schedule for the Japanese Astronauts
           http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/03/20070323_kibo_e.html#ref02
           Comments from JAXA President
           http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/03/20070323_kibo_e.html#ref03

Reference Link: ISS Kibo Information Center
http://iss.sfo.jaxa.jp/index_e.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Malderi on 03/23/2007 03:44 AM
Cool for Hoshide. I heard him speak once, he's a real nice guy; talked about how T-38's were the best toys a man could ever have, etc. Real down-to-earth and, of course, very knowledgeable, answered all the questions the group had about Kibo and so forth very completely and understandably. Glad to hear he's getting a good flight.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 03/23/2007 06:51 AM
Final Atlantis crew to be selected.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: vp. on 03/23/2007 07:59 PM
What's happen Neil Woodward ? He's just the only candidat's astronaut of the 98's class who haven't flight assignment.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: vp. on 03/24/2007 11:57 AM
and : Loria, Caldeiro and Cagle from the 96's class ?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 03/24/2007 06:43 PM
Woodward as far as I know is still on detached assignment to NASA HQ.

Loria left NASA long ago. Caldeiro and Cagle's fates have been discussed ad infinitum already on these boards.

Dave

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/26/2007 01:39 PM
Going back to the point about when the first ISS crew of more than three members will fly...I have a query.

Is there going to be a Soyuz TMA launch in the January 2009 timeframe?

The reason I ask is because I was under the impression that there would be a Soyuz launch in October 2008 (Sharipov/Fincke) and another in April 2009 (Krikalev/Surayev), with Chamitoff launching on STS-128 in January 2009 and staying till mid-2009 and Thirsk launching on STS-129 in April for a three-month expedition. Now, if there is not a Soyuz going up in January 2009, there will only be one Soyuz available from April 2009 = not enough seats for Krikalev, Surayev, Chamitoff and Thirsk should they need them. And if there IS a Soyuz going up in January 2009, who are its crew?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 03/26/2007 02:05 PM
Quote
Ben E - 26/3/2007  9:39 AM

Going back to the point about when the first ISS crew of more than three members will fly...I have a query.

Is there going to be a Soyuz TMA launch in the January 2009 timeframe?

The reason I ask is because I was under the impression that there would be a Soyuz launch in October 2008 (Sharipov/Fincke) and another in April 2009 (Krikalev/Surayev), with Chamitoff launching on STS-128 in January 2009 and staying till mid-2009 and Thirsk launching on STS-129 in April for a three-month expedition. Now, if there is not a Soyuz going up in January 2009, there will only be one Soyuz available from April 2009 = not enough seats for Krikalev, Surayev, Chamitoff and Thirsk should they need them. And if there IS a Soyuz going up in January 2009, who are its crew?

Detailed planning doesn't go out that far, only up to 16S
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Andy L on 03/27/2007 04:13 AM
I wonder who'll get the final crew of the Shuttle age. That'll be some flight to get.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 03/27/2007 07:18 PM
Quote
Ben E - 26/3/2007  8:39 AM

Going back to the point about when the first ISS crew of more than three members will fly...I have a query.

Is there going to be a Soyuz TMA launch in the January 2009 timeframe?

The reason I ask is because I was under the impression that there would be a Soyuz launch in October 2008 (Sharipov/Fincke) and another in April 2009 (Krikalev/Surayev), with Chamitoff launching on STS-128 in January 2009 and staying till mid-2009 and Thirsk launching on STS-129 in April for a three-month expedition. Now, if there is not a Soyuz going up in January 2009, there will only be one Soyuz available from April 2009 = not enough seats for Krikalev, Surayev, Chamitoff and Thirsk should they need them. And if there IS a Soyuz going up in January 2009, who are its crew?

Ben, I believe STS-128 is ISS-17A, which is the flight that establishes six-person crew capability.  I'm not sure how they'll provide 'lifeboat' seats for all six, but I imagine two Soyuz craft will be involved.  Don't ask me how they'll keep two ships at ISS while balancing Progress ships coming in and out and what not, as I have no idea how that would work, but that's my guess.  Two Soyuz=Six Seats.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Malderi on 03/28/2007 05:08 PM
Well, remember, they'll have the ATV And H-2 by then (we hope). ATV's only a once-a-year launch, but from what I understand, it'll carry 3x the up-mass of a Progress. So maybe Progress launches will be less frequent, allowing for the extra Soyuz docking port.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 05/14/2007 12:45 PM
Interesting: JSC PAO has updated their galleries with corrected STS-117 and STS-118 patches reflecting the change in crew assignment -- but it seems that the new and/or revised crew portraits are not done yet ...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 05/25/2007 08:09 PM
Oefelein to "leave" NASA with immediate effect (officially he ends his time with NASA June 1).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Celeritas on 05/25/2007 08:17 PM
Quote
Chris Bergin - 25/5/2007  4:09 PM

Oefelein to "leave" NASA with immediate effect (officially he ends his time with NASA June 1).

There goes the babe magnet.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ford Mustang on 05/25/2007 09:02 PM
If I can ask.. Why is he leaving?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 05/25/2007 09:06 PM
Quote
Ford Mustang - 25/5/2007  10:02 PM

If I can ask.. Why is he leaving?

NASA and the Navy informed him he was leaving for a new post. You can work it out for yourselves.

He'll be assigned to the Naval Network Warfare Command in Norfolk, VA where he'll serve in the Space Operations division.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: drnscr on 05/26/2007 12:31 AM
Just read where Billy O is being sent back to the Navy effective 1 June 2007.  As an officer, I think he can pretty much kiss his career goodbye.  It seems to me he was using the wrong head when he involved himself with a fellow Naval Officer and then with a junior AF officer.  I realize he's single but there are career killing moves and this situation was one of those.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: azman818 on 05/26/2007 12:26 PM
It looks like the updated STS-117 portrait, showing all seven crewmembers as well as the new patch, is now up on the NASA Shuttle site.

Amazing what you can do with Photoshop these days.
 ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: shuttlefan on 05/26/2007 02:30 PM
So Anderson was added to the picture using digital photography, correct? I assume a whole new crew portrait wasn't taken.....?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 05/26/2007 10:16 PM
Quote
shuttlefan - 26/5/2007  4:30 PM

So Anderson was added to the picture using digital photography, correct? I assume a whole new crew portrait wasn't taken.....?

Yes, he was added digitally. If you compare the "new" photo against the "old" you'll see all the original 6 astronauts look exactly the same as before. I expect something similar will be done with the STS-118 picture.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: John2375 on 07/25/2007 12:07 PM
Who should command the last shuttle flight?? And are they any astronauts that should be deserving of being a part of the last flight?
It might not seem like much, but I think the last flight should be as the program will have been around nearly 30 years and done so much - everyone (most everyone, maybe not John Q. Public) remembers the first crew.. the last crew should be remembered too -
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: SpaceNutz SA on 07/25/2007 12:19 PM
Hehehe!!  If Deke was still around he would say something like:  Any crew can fly any mission or stick like mud to his crew rotation system.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: brihath on 07/25/2007 12:33 PM
Quote
John2375 - 25/7/2007  8:07 AM

Who should command the last shuttle flight?? And are they any astronauts that should be deserving of being a part of the last flight?
It might not seem like much, but I think the last flight should be as the program will have been around nearly 30 years and done so much - everyone (most everyone, maybe not John Q. Public) remembers the first crew.. the last crew should be remembered too -

I imagine it will be whoever is Chief of the Astronaut Office.  After all he won't be too busy determining crew assignments for a while.  The incumbent has commanded key missions in the past hasn't he?  I'm thinking Bob Cabana for the first ISS mission was one example.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: pippin on 07/25/2007 12:35 PM
Hmmm.
A few month ago they had "who was the last man on the moon" on "Who wants to be a millionaire" here in Germany.
It was the 1 million Euro question...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 07/25/2007 12:53 PM
Quote
pippin - 25/7/2007  1:35 PM

Hmmm.
A few month ago they had "who was the last man on the moon" on "Who wants to be a millionaire" here in Germany.
It was the 1 million Euro question...

Did they get it?  ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: pippin on 07/25/2007 01:03 PM
No, he guessed right (Gene Cernan) but was not confident enough so he took the 500.000.
Was a pity since given the alternatives (Shepard, Collins and Borman) it was not too hard.
So much for the fame of being the last...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 07/25/2007 01:18 PM
Quote
brihath - 25/7/2007  7:33 AM

Quote
John2375 - 25/7/2007  8:07 AM

Who should command the last shuttle flight?? And are they any astronauts that should be deserving of being a part of the last flight?
It might not seem like much, but I think the last flight should be as the program will have been around nearly 30 years and done so much - everyone (most everyone, maybe not John Q. Public) remembers the first crew.. the last crew should be remembered too -

I imagine it will be whoever is Chief of the Astronaut Office.  After all he won't be too busy determining crew assignments for a while.  The incumbent has commanded key missions in the past hasn't he?  I'm thinking Bob Cabana for the first ISS mission was one example.

It won't be the chief astronaut. Times have changed since that was the norm.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Cornwallus on 07/25/2007 01:37 PM
Really Glad I found this place. So much information on here! I'll be busy for a few days for sure.

How about John Young? Be neat to see the first shuttle commander be the last one also. Not sure if his age now would be an issue.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 07/25/2007 01:45 PM
I would guess that it might be a first-time CDR. If Lindsey is preparing the corps for the CEV, he'll want to get as many PLTs as possible with a command under their belts.

So...I think it could be any of the PLTs who are flying their rookie missions in the next few months.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: pippin on 07/25/2007 01:47 PM
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Cornwallus - 25/7/2007  3:37 PM

Really Glad I found this place. So much information on here! I'll be busy for a few days for sure.

How about John Young? Be neat to see the first shuttle commander be the last one also. Not sure if his age now would be an issue.

John Glenn.
His last flight is not as far back as Young's.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 07/25/2007 01:56 PM
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pippin - 25/7/2007  9:47 AM

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Cornwallus - 25/7/2007  3:37 PM

Really Glad I found this place. So much information on here! I'll be busy for a few days for sure.

How about John Young? Be neat to see the first shuttle commander be the last one also. Not sure if his age now would be an issue.

John Glenn.
His last flight is not as far back as Young's.

Age would be an issue for a CDR
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: pippin on 07/25/2007 02:02 PM
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Jim - 25/7/2007  3:56 PM

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pippin - 25/7/2007  9:47 AM

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Cornwallus - 25/7/2007  3:37 PM

Really Glad I found this place. So much information on here! I'll be busy for a few days for sure.

How about John Young? Be neat to see the first shuttle commander be the last one also. Not sure if his age now would be an issue.

John Glenn.
His last flight is not as far back as Young's.

Age would be an issue for a CDR
C'mon, he would be only 89 or so by then...

BTW: Welcome Cornwallus. Didn't mean to be harsh on your suggestion ;-)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: SpaceNutz SA on 07/25/2007 02:31 PM
I guess Bill Oefelein is out of the question huh :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Gene DiGennaro on 07/25/2007 03:47 PM
Maybe old Jose Jimenez will finally get his flight! He's been hanging around the astro office since the days of Mercury! If not Jose then my vote would go to Major Matt Mason USAF.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 07/26/2007 04:47 AM
I was just wondering if NASA has announced any crew assignments after STS-125? I noticed on wikipedia (which I know is not always 100% accurate) that they have posted crew assignments throguh STS-127. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: shuttlefan on 07/28/2007 01:51 PM
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Andy L - 26/3/2007  11:13 PM

I wonder who'll get the final crew of the Shuttle age. That'll be some flight to get.

When will they start naming crewmembers to the last flight? Eileen Collins for CDR would get my vote!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: brihath on 07/28/2007 02:06 PM
Back in the Gemini days, Lovell and Aldrin had the following signs on their backs for Gemini 12:

THE
END

I don't know who the crew will be yet, but assuming there will be seven, they can wear the following signs on THEIR backs:

ONLY
SEVEN
YEARS
UNTIL
WE
FLY
AGAIN!

(My pessimism abt Constellation is showing through here, so "seven" may be a little conservative.  Excluding ISS crewmembers riding Russian rockets, of course)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 07/28/2007 04:32 PM
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shuttlefan - 28/7/2007  2:51 PM

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Andy L - 26/3/2007  11:13 PM

I wonder who'll get the final crew of the Shuttle age. That'll be some flight to get.

When will they start naming crewmembers to the last flight? Eileen Collins for CDR would get my vote!

Either her or Pam Melroy for me. Nothing like a bit of girl power in the CDR seat!  ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: shuttlefan on 07/28/2007 04:43 PM
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ShuttleDiscovery - 28/7/2007  11:32 AM

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shuttlefan - 28/7/2007  2:51 PM

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Andy L - 26/3/2007  11:13 PM

I wonder who'll get the final crew of the Shuttle age. That'll be some flight to get.

When will they start naming crewmembers to the last flight? Eileen Collins for CDR would get my vote!

Either her or Pam Melroy for me. Nothing like a bit of girl power in the CDR seat!  ;)


Hey, Eileen Collins as CDR and Melroy as PLT! Mind you, I guess it would be a demotion for Melroy being she's commanding 120.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 07/28/2007 04:49 PM
I suppose that would work, but Collins has retired from being an astronaut...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 07/28/2007 06:18 PM
It also depends if Melroy even sticks around after 120. Wasn't she offered the chance to return to the Air Force after 92, but turned it down, then after 112, but turned it down? Maybe now she's got her command, she'll leave soon?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 07/28/2007 06:21 PM
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Trekkie07 - 25/7/2007  11:47 PM

I was just wondering if NASA has announced any crew assignments after STS-125? I noticed on wikipedia (which I know is not always 100% accurate) that they have posted crew assignments throguh STS-127. Thanks in advance.

Calling wikipedia "not always 100% accurate" is extremely generous, especially in the case of unannounced NASA crew assignments. In my experience, they've almost always been uninformed speculation.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 07/28/2007 06:21 PM
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shuttlefan - 28/7/2007  8:51 AM

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Andy L - 26/3/2007  11:13 PM

I wonder who'll get the final crew of the Shuttle age. That'll be some flight to get.

When will they start naming crewmembers to the last flight?

Probably about 10-12 months before the flight, as always.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 07/28/2007 06:37 PM
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Ben E - 28/7/2007  2:18 PM

It also depends if Melroy even sticks around after 120. Wasn't she offered the chance to return to the Air Force after 92, but turned it down, then after 112, but turned it down? Maybe now she's got her command, she'll leave soon?

Melroy retired from the Air Force in February of this year per her official NASA bio. I think she'll stick around. She's on record as saying that it's her personal goal to be the first astronaut on the moon when we return there.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 08/10/2007 09:05 PM
RELEASE: 07-176

ASTRONAUT ED LU LEAVES NASA

HOUSTON - Veteran International Space Station astronaut and space
shuttle flyer Ed Lu has left NASA to accept a position in the private
sector. Lu flew on two shuttle missions and lived six months aboard
the station as a member of the orbiting laboratory's seventh crew.

"Ed has done an exceptional job as an astronaut during his twelve
years of service," said Chief of the Astronaut Office Steve Lindsey.
"He contributed greatly to the construction and operations on the
International Space Station, particularly in the very difficult
period after the Columbia tragedy. Additionally, his involvement in
development of the Crew Exploration Vehicle will help NASA
tremendously as we look forward to exploring our solar system. He
will be missed by the Astronaut Office and NASA. We wish him the very
best in his future endeavors."

Lu's experience includes more than six hours spacewalking. He was the
first American to launch as flight engineer of a Russian Soyuz
spacecraft as well as the first American to both launch and land on a
Soyuz. He has visited two space stations on his missions.

Selected as an astronaut in 1994, Lu first flew in May 1997 aboard
Atlantis for the STS-84 mission, the sixth shuttle mission to visit
the Russian space station Mir. He next flew in 2000 on mission
STS-106, also aboard Atlantis, performing a spacewalk during that
flight to help outfit the Zvezda module of the International Space
Station, the outpost's living quarters. Launching on the Soyuz, Lu
returned to the International Space Station in 2003 as flight
engineer and NASA science officer of Expedition 7, the first
two-person resident crew.

For more biographical information about Lu, visit:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/lu.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Endeavour118 on 08/11/2007 03:46 AM
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martynwilliams - 30/9/2006  1:59 PM

It's been a good year for British born astronauts this year...with Piers Sellers on 121 and Nick Patrick on 116. The only British born astro left to fly now is Greg Johnson (I think he was born on a USAF base in the UK) - I dont think there's anyone else originally from the UK in the astro corps at the moment.

whuch greg johnson box or ray J
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skyrocket on 08/11/2007 11:56 AM
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Endeavour118 - 11/8/2007  5:46 AM

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martynwilliams - 30/9/2006  1:59 PM

It's been a good year for British born astronauts this year...with Piers Sellers on 121 and Nick Patrick on 116. The only British born astro left to fly now is Greg Johnson (I think he was born on a USAF base in the UK) - I dont think there's anyone else originally from the UK in the astro corps at the moment.

whuch greg johnson box or ray J

Gregory Harold "Box" Johnson http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/johnson-gh.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 08/11/2007 07:48 PM
Is Mike Foale still an active astronaut?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: tonyq on 08/25/2007 11:59 AM
From Collectspace.com

http://collectspace.com/ubb/Forum30/HTML/000606.html

"A new roster for International Space Station Expedition 19, scheduled to be the first six-person crew:

Prime crew:
Gennady Padalka
Michael Barratt
Nicole Stott
Yuri Lonchakov
Frank DeWinne
Robert Thirsk


Back-up crew:
Maxim Suraev
Shannon Walker
Cady Coleman
Dmitri Kondratiyev
André Kuipers
Chris Hadfield

Expedition 19 is expected to begin in Spring 2009"

Presumably 5 of these 6 will go up in the two Soyuz due to launch in March/April 2009 (TMA-14 & TMA-15) as one seat on these flights is already sold to Space Adventures and Thirsk appears elsewhere as provisionally assigned to STS-128
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 08/25/2007 12:23 PM
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tonyq - 25/8/2007  3:59 PM

Thirsk appears elsewhere as provisionally assigned to STS-128

Robert Thirsk will be launched on Soyuz TMA-15...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 08/25/2007 11:38 PM
Anik,

Will Thirk occupy the third seat on Soyuz TMA-15, alongside a Russian and an American, or will he accompany a Russian and a tourist?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 08/26/2007 06:35 AM
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Ben E - 26/8/2007  3:38 AM

Will Thirk occupy the third seat on Soyuz TMA-15, alongside a Russian and an American, or will he accompany a Russian and a tourist?

Soyuz TMA-14: Padalka/Barratt/tourist

Soyuz TMA-15: Lonchakov/De Winne/Thirsk

PS: I have moved last three posts from "When does station go to 6 crew?" thread...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 08/26/2007 11:31 AM
Current schedule...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 08/26/2007 01:01 PM
Presumably poor old TJ Creamer doesn't get a look-in, then?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: brahmanknight on 08/26/2007 01:21 PM
I must have missed this, but is Krikalev out of ex 19 commander postion for sure now?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 08/26/2007 01:52 PM
I vote for Pam Melroy as the CDR on sts 132 or 133. If she has left nasa when the flight will take part (god forbid) then Steve Lindsey will have my vote.
(from the beginning i hoped for Jim Wetherbee but i know he is out of the game since a couple of years)

Or maybe they will let the last shuttle commander also be the first orion commander and in that case, I think it can be a first time commander like Poindexter or G H Johnson for examples.

I read somewhere that Lindsey also has competence to fly as a mission specialist. Is that right or wrong?




Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 08/26/2007 04:45 PM
There's a problem with this chart: It shows Chamitoff launching on 124. 124 already has 7 (non-rotating) crew assigned.

If true, then one of them would have to be bumped.

Dave
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 08/26/2007 10:57 PM
Both Fossum and Bowen are sheduled to perform EVAs on STS-124, so I doubt they would be removed from the flight.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 08/27/2007 01:10 AM
Garan is the flight engineer; Hoshide seems politically necessary being a Kibo flight; That leaves MS1 Nyberg....

Dave
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 08/27/2007 01:43 AM
Or maybe they will let Ron Garan do what he is trained to do, fly as a pilot (at 126 for example) and not as a mission specialist.



Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 08/27/2007 04:32 PM
New information was published by Sergey Shamsutdinov on Novosti kosmonavtiki forum (http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7323):

Soyuz TMA-14 (No. 224) launch is planned in March 2009 and Soyuz TMA-15 (No. 225) - in July 2009...

Expedition 20A
Launch: Soyuz TMA-16 (No. 226), September 2009
CDR J.Williams (back-up is TBD [USA])
FE-1 Romanenko (Skvortsov)
FE-2 Kornienko (Skripochka)

Expedition 20B
Launch: Soyuz TMA-17 (No. 227), November 2009
FE-3 Krikalyov [possibly] (back-up is TBD [Russia])
FE-4 TBD [USA] (TBD [USA])
FE-5 TBD [USA] (TBD [USA])

Expedition 21A
Launch: Soyuz TMA-18 (No. 701), March 2010
CDR Kaleri (back-up is TBD [Russia])
FE-1 TBD [Russia] (TBD [Russia])
FE-2 TBD [USA] (TBD [USA])

STS-120 (up) - Tani (back-up is Magnus)
STS-122 (up) - Eyharts (De Winne)
STS-123 (up) - Reisman (Kopra)
STS-124 (up) - Chamitoff (Kopra)
STS-126 (up) - Magnus (Stott)
STS-119 (up) - Wakata (Noguchi)
STS-127 (up) - Kopra (Creamer)
STS-128 (up) - Stott (Coleman)

Stott is the last ISS crewmember, who will be launched by the Space Shuttle... She will return aboard Soyuz or Shuttle...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 08/27/2007 06:06 PM
"Both Fossum and Bowen are sheduled to perform EVAs on STS-124, so I doubt they would be removed from the flight."

A source in CB indicated to me that Bowen is likely to be the one to take the fall.

D.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 08/27/2007 06:12 PM
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dcfowler1 - 27/8/2007  10:06 AM

"Both Fossum and Bowen are sheduled to perform EVAs on STS-124, so I doubt they would be removed from the flight."

A source in CB indicated to me that Bowen is likely to be the one to take the fall.

D.


I would imagine there's plenty of time for Chamitoff (or perhaps Hoshide?) to train for the EV-2 tasks.  I'm sure we'll see him (edit: Bowen) re-assigned fairly soon - maybe on or before 2J/A.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: erioladastra on 08/28/2007 01:34 AM
Chamitoff will almost certainly be up on Exp 17.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 08/28/2007 06:56 AM
It's nice to see that Cady Coleman is getting another shot at space, after a 10-year wait. Any reason why she's been waiting so long?

I was beginning to think she'd turned into Anna Fisher ;-)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 08/28/2007 11:29 AM
Hi Ben,
When Cady Coleman was commentating on the STS-114 RTF Launch for Fox News a couple of years back, she mentioned that her young son (I think it was) had made a present for Eileen Collins. This suggests that she was away on maternity leave for a while and clearly ineligible for flight assignment.
Regards,
David.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: FNG on 08/29/2007 08:38 PM
Having recently read the Tom Jones book Sky Walking, I did wonder if Coleman's lack of assignment since STS 93 was due to question she asked Wetherbee and Precourt when Mark Lee's removal from STS 98 was announced to the Astronaut Office.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 08/29/2007 10:09 PM
It is hard for me to believe that Expedition 20 is 100% USA-RUS. Can someone confirm...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: John2375 on 08/29/2007 10:18 PM
what did she ask??
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 08/30/2007 07:31 AM
If I recall correctly from the book, no reasons were given for Mark Lee's removal from the STS-98 crew and at one of the Monday meetings Coleman asked something about how fellow astronauts could avoid future incidents occurring in future. I doubt that the corps would be THAT cloak-and-dagger, though.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: FNG on 08/31/2007 06:00 AM
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Ben E - 30/8/2007  2:31 AM

If I recall correctly from the book, no reasons were given for Mark Lee's removal from the STS-98 crew and at one of the Monday meetings Coleman asked something about how fellow astronauts could avoid future incidents occurring in future. I doubt that the corps would be THAT cloak-and-dagger, though.

Ben, I'm not sure if Mark Lee would agree with you!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 08/31/2007 08:16 AM
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Ben E - 11/8/2007  2:48 PM

Is Mike Foale still an active astronaut?

Yes.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Endeavour118 on 09/11/2007 02:38 AM
anyone know's what happened to vegas kelly?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 09/11/2007 05:44 AM
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Endeavour118 - 10/9/2007  6:38 PM

anyone know's what happened to vegas kelly?

I saw him doing ISS CAPCOM duties last week during regular coverage.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 09/21/2007 11:41 AM
I see that Spacefacts in now reporting that the following astronauts have been assigned to the STS-126 Crew:

Chris Ferguson
Eric Boe
Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper
Joan Higginbotham
Stephen Bowen
Robert Kimbrough
Sandy Magnus

This may be on L2 but I don't subscribe.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: texas_space on 09/22/2007 02:35 PM
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aurora899 - 21/9/2007  6:41 AM

I see that Spacefacts in now reporting that the following astronauts have been assigned to the STS-126 Crew:

Chris Ferguson
Eric Boe
Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper
Joan Higginbotham
Stephen Bowen
Robert Kimbrough
Sandy Magnus

This may be on L2 but I don't subscribe.

Is Kimbrough actually assigned to the flight? If so, he'd be the first of the 2004 class to fly.  Interesting since supposedly the class was told they wouldn't get to fly on the shuttle, but only on Orion.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 09/22/2007 06:57 PM
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texas_space - 22/9/2007  9:35 AM

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aurora899 - 21/9/2007  6:41 AM

I see that Spacefacts in now reporting that the following astronauts have been assigned to the STS-126 Crew:

Chris Ferguson
Eric Boe
Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper
Joan Higginbotham
Stephen Bowen
Robert Kimbrough
Sandy Magnus

This may be on L2 but I don't subscribe.

Is Kimbrough actually assigned to the flight? If so, he'd be the first of the 2004 class to fly.  Interesting since supposedly the class was told they wouldn't get to fly on the shuttle, but only on Orion.

The class was told that was a high probability. Each applicant chosen was asked in their phone call, "If you knew you wouldn't fly for ten years or more, would you still accept the job?" Supposedly all but one (a pilot) answered "yes"; that person was replaced by an alternate.

With the current philosophy of assigning as many rookies as practical, that situation has changed. Now it looks like all the 2004 class will fly well before the shuttle program ends.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: BigRIJoe on 09/22/2007 07:31 PM
Piper gets to fly again?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 09/22/2007 07:41 PM
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BigRIJoe - 22/9/2007  3:31 PM

Piper gets to fly again?

Yes. Why do you ask? She's a qualified astronaut with prior EVA training.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: BigRIJoe on 09/22/2007 07:42 PM
Uh huh
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: BigRIJoe on 09/22/2007 07:43 PM
And what about Ochoa? Nothing?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 09/22/2007 08:32 PM
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BigRIJoe - 22/9/2007  3:43 PM

And what about Ochoa? Nothing?

Ellen Ochoa is in management at NASA. She is currenly Director of the Flight Crew Operations Directorate at JSC and after STS-120 she will assume the position of Deputy Director of JSC.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Challenger on 09/22/2007 08:44 PM
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Trekkie07 - 22/9/2007  2:41 PM

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BigRIJoe - 22/9/2007  3:31 PM

Piper gets to fly again?

Yes. Why do you ask? She's a qualified astronaut with prior EVA training.

She will probably be lead EVA astro on this mission, due to her STS-115 experience.  Hats off to the lady!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 09/22/2007 09:21 PM
Will that mark the first time a woman is lead EVA on a spaceflight?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 09/22/2007 09:38 PM
Jernigan was lead EVA on STS-96, as was Godwin on STS-76 and 108.
I believe Whitson will be lead EVA-5 on STS-120.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 09/22/2007 09:43 PM
Peggy Whitson will indeed lead the EVA during STS-120.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 09/22/2007 10:05 PM
After reading Sky Walking by Tom Jones I should at least have remembered Jernigan. I guess it's getting a little late here (past midnight here in Norway).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Mark Max Q on 09/23/2007 04:54 AM
Quote
aurora899 - 21/9/2007  6:41 AM

I see that Spacefacts in now reporting that the following astronauts have been assigned to the STS-126 Crew:

Chris Ferguson
Eric Boe
Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper
Joan Higginbotham
Stephen Bowen
Robert Kimbrough
Sandy Magnus

This may be on L2 but I don't subscribe.

Yeah, was on L2 a while before. Spacefacts are just a bunch of info stealers.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Mark Max Q on 09/23/2007 04:55 AM
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Jorge - 28/7/2007  1:21 PM

Calling wikipedia "not always 100% accurate" is extremely generous, especially in the case of unannounced NASA crew assignments. In my experience, they've almost always been uninformed speculation.

Here's a small video clip that should always be posted when Wiki is mentioned ;)

Imagine the scene at JSC, when told that a crew, they hadn't even assigned yet, turns up on Wikipedia..........
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 10/01/2007 05:47 PM
STS-126 crew announcement:
Oct. 1, 2007

John Yembrick
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-0602
[email protected]

Kylie Clem
Johnson Space Center, Houston
281-483-5111
[email protected]

RELEASE: 07-217

NASA ASSIGNS CREW FOR SPACE STATION ASSEMBLY MISSION

WASHINGTON -- NASA has assigned the space shuttle crew for Endeavour's
STS-126 mission, targeted for launch in September 2008. The flight
will deliver equipment to the International Space Station that will
enable larger crews to reside aboard the complex.

Veteran space flier Navy Capt. Christopher J. Ferguson will command
Endeavour. Air Force Lt. Col. Eric A. Boe will serve as the pilot.
The mission specialists are Navy Cmdr. Stephen G. Bowen, NASA
astronaut Joan E. Higginbotham, Army Lt. Col. Robert S. Kimbrough and
Navy Capt. Heidemarie M. Stefanyshyn-Piper. Boe, Bowen and Kimbrough
will be making their first spaceflight.

STS-126 will be the second spaceflight for Ferguson and
Stefanyshyn-Piper, who flew together on STS-115 in September 2006. It
also is the second flight for Higginbotham, who flew on STS-116 in
December 2006.

Endeavour will carry a reusable logistics module that will hold
supplies and equipment, including additional crew quarters, a second
treadmill, equipment for the regenerative life support system and
spare hardware.

A native of Philadelphia, Ferguson served as pilot of the shuttle
Atlantis for STS-115. He has a bachelor's degree in mechanical
engineering from Drexel University, Philadelphia, and a master's
degree in aeronautical engineering from the Naval Postgraduate
School, Monterey, Calif. He was selected as an astronaut in 1998.

Boe was born in Miami and grew up in Atlanta. He has a bachelor's
degree in astronautical engineering from the U.S. Air Force Academy,
Colorado Springs, Colo., and a master's degree in electrical
engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta. He was
selected as an astronaut in 2000.

Bowen was born in Cohasset, Mass. He has a bachelor's degree from the
U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolis, Md., and a master's degree from the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge. Bowen also was
selected as an astronaut in 2000. He was previously named to the
STS-124 crew but has been reassigned to STS-126. The change will
allow room for the STS-124 mission to rotate a space station
resident, who will be named later.

A native of Chicago, Higginbotham flew on STS-116. She has a
bachelor's degree in electrical engineering from Southern Illinois
University, Carbondale, and master's degrees in both management and
space systems from the Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne.
She was selected as an astronaut in 1996.

Kimbrough was born in Killeen, Texas, and grew up in Smyrna, Ga. He
has a bachelor's degree in aerospace engineering from the U.S.
Military Academy, West Point, N.Y., and a master's degree in
operations research from the Georgia Institute of Technology. He was
selected as an astronaut in 2004.

Stefanyshyn-Piper was born in St. Paul, Minn. She conducted two
spacewalks on STS-115. She has a bachelor's and master's degrees in
mechanical engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology. She was selected as an astronaut in 1996.

Video of the STS-126 crew members will air on NASA Television's Video
File. For downlink and scheduling information and links to streaming
video, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

For complete astronaut biographical information, visit:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 10/01/2007 06:05 PM
I think it's really bad that they're flying Kimbrough (2004) when Cagle and Caldeiro (1996) still haven't flown after more than 10 years now...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 10/01/2007 06:07 PM
Quote
Mark Max Q - 23/9/2007  5:55 AM

Quote
Jorge - 28/7/2007  1:21 PM

Calling wikipedia "not always 100% accurate" is extremely generous, especially in the case of unannounced NASA crew assignments. In my experience, they've almost always been uninformed speculation.

Here's a small video clip that should always be posted when Wiki is mentioned ;)

Imagine the scene at JSC, when told that a crew, they hadn't even assigned yet, turns up on Wikipedia..........

hehe  :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 10/01/2007 09:40 PM
QUOTE...I think it's really bad that they're flying Kimbrough (2004) when Cagle and Caldeiro (1996) still haven't flown after more than 10 years now...

I don't believe Cagle or Caldeiro are still on (shuttle) flying status.
It's not that common that an astronaut is chosen to fly before an astronaut from a prior selection, but it does happen.
Most recently, on STS-118 Drew (Class of 2000) flew before more than half of the astronauts selected in 1998.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: tnphysics on 10/01/2007 10:50 PM
Why?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 10/02/2007 02:27 AM
The theory behind chosing individuals for spaceflight is a bit of a mystery.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 10/03/2007 01:14 AM
Quote
TJL - 1/10/2007  5:40 PM

QUOTE...I think it's really bad that they're flying Kimbrough (2004) when Cagle and Caldeiro (1996) still haven't flown after more than 10 years now...

I don't believe Cagle or Caldeiro are still on (shuttle) flying status.
It's not that common that an astronaut is chosen to fly before an astronaut from a prior selection, but it does happen.
Most recently, on STS-118 Drew (Class of 2000) flew before more than half of the astronauts selected in 1998.

Keep in mind, most of the 1998 class had been assigned to flights, or on ISS backup crews already when Drew was assigned to STS-118, which was a last minute crew change.

It looks like Cagle and Caldiero may not be flying...but then again, stranger things have happened (Don Lind, selected in 1966 didn't fly until after the entire 1969 and most of the 1967 and 1978 groups had flown)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 10/07/2007 12:43 PM
I read recently that Scott Kelly, who recently flew as CDR on STS-118, was "in-line" to fly as commander aboard an upcoming ISS increment.
I know he was assigned as back-up F.E. for Expedition 5, a few years back.
Any truth to this story?
Thank you.

anik's note: "Scott Kelly Question" thread is moved into "Flight crew assignments" thread...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Real Madrid on 10/07/2007 04:53 PM
Crew of misssion STS-126

* Christopher Ferguson (2) - Commander
* Eric A. Boe (1) - Pilot
* Stephen G. Bowen (1) - Mission specialist
* Heidemarie M. Stefanyshyn-Piper (2) - Mission specialist
* Joan Higginbotham (2) - Mission specialist
* R. Shane Kimbrough (1) - Mission specialist

information founded on http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2007/oct/HQ_07217_STS-126_Crew.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: psloss on 10/07/2007 05:08 PM
Quote
Real Madrid - 7/10/2007  12:53 PM

information founded on http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2007/oct/HQ_07217_STS-126_Crew.html
FYI, this is redundant as Chris posted this press release last week just a few posts back in the thread:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=740&start=526#M192144
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 10/07/2007 05:16 PM
Believe it or not, astronauts chosen in the last 3 groups (17 - 1998, 18 - 2000, and 19 - 2004), are progressively getting chances to fly on the shuttle sooner.
First Group 17 to fly on shuttle waited 8 years.
First Group 18 to fly on shuttle waited 7 years.
First Group 19 scheduled to fly in 2008...4 year wait.
Thought that was kind of interesting in that astronauts selected in 2004 were not expected to get assignments on the shuttle.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: texas_space on 10/07/2007 05:41 PM
Quote
TJL - 7/10/2007  12:16 PM

Believe it or not, astronauts chosen in the last 3 groups (17 - 1998, 18 - 2000, and 19 - 2004), are progressively getting chances to fly on the shuttle sooner.
First Group 17 to fly on shuttle waited 8 years.
First Group 18 to fly on shuttle waited 7 years.
First Group 19 scheduled to fly in 2008...4 year wait.
Thought that was kind of interesting in that astronauts selected in 2004 were not expected to get assignments on the shuttle.

I think NASA wants to get everyone they can to fly before 2010 when the shuttle retires.  After all, the 2004 class will otherwise fly at the earliest in 2014-2015 unless assigned to a Soyuz flight to the ISS (doubtful IMO since there are folks selected earlier who haven't flown yet).  I don't think NASA wants the bad PR of having lots of astronauts leaving before they get to fly due to the gap.  I'd hold out myself if I was an astronaut, but not everyone is going to want to sacrifice 10+ years of their career just sitting in Houston not having a reasonable hope of flying.  Not that anyone is guaranteed a flight, but it wouldn't look good on NASA's part since it just highlights the lack of flights in the manned program (ie "the gap").

Some people waited a lot longer before they first flew of course (e.g. Story Musgrave).  I'm sure he would say the wait is definitely worth it.

Do we have any idea if the new educator-astronauts will be in the rotation to fly before 2010?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 10/07/2007 05:53 PM
I'm sure some if not all of them will get an assignment if this pace continues.
There's somehere between 6 and 8 shuttle crew assignments left...depending on a decision as to which is the final shuttle mission.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TALsite on 10/08/2007 04:04 PM
Quote
"ANIK: 27/08/2007  pag.34

Expedition 21A
Launch: Soyuz TMA-18 (No. 701), March 2010
CDR Kaleri (back-up is TBD [Russia])
FE-1 TBD [Russia] (TBD [Russia])
FE-2 TBD [USA] (TBD [USA])"

Quote
"TJL
I read recently that Scott Kelly, who recently flew as CDR on STS-118, was "in-line" to fly as commander aboard an upcoming ISS increment.
I know he was assigned as back-up F.E. for Expedition 5, a few years back."


Based on that info, I wonder if the crew for Soyuz TM-18 could be Kaleri (assigned as Exp. 21A CDR), Kondratyev (now assigned as TM15- Exp 19B Backup) and Scott Kelly (just returned from STS-118)?  

This “3K-crew”  were team-mates on Expedition 5 Backup, and I suppose they got along well, and passed their examinations…
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 10/08/2007 10:33 PM
Quote
TALsite - 8/10/2007  12:04 PM

Quote
"ANIK: 27/08/2007  pag.34

Expedition 21A
Launch: Soyuz TMA-18 (No. 701), March 2010
CDR Kaleri (back-up is TBD [Russia])
FE-1 TBD [Russia] (TBD [Russia])
FE-2 TBD [USA] (TBD [USA])"

Quote
"TJL
I read recently that Scott Kelly, who recently flew as CDR on STS-118, was "in-line" to fly as commander aboard an upcoming ISS increment.
I know he was assigned as back-up F.E. for Expedition 5, a few years back."


Based on that info, I wonder if the crew for Soyuz TM-18 could be Kaleri (assigned as Exp. 21A CDR), Kondratyev (now assigned as TM15- Exp 19B Backup) and Scott Kelly (just returned from STS-118)?  

This “3K-crew”  were team-mates on Expedition 5 Backup, and I suppose they got along well, and passed their examinations…

Could very well be, however I thought I read that Kelly was scheduled to be CDR (I may be wrong).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 10/11/2007 09:28 PM
STS 119 crew on spacefacts.de:

CDR: Archambault
PLT: Antonelli
MS 1: Phillips
MS 2: Swanson
MS 3: Acaba
MS 4: Arnold
ISS FE: Wakata

Can anyone confirm? Certain things don't ring right...such as the presence of TWO educator MS's on the crew, the ditching of Gernhardt after being attached to the flight for years, and geez would they pass over Jim Kelly AGAIN for command?

Regardless, there seems like there is some sort of unspoken issue with the STS-114 crew as Kelly and Robinson still have yet to make additional flights. They can't hold any of the missions problems against the crew can they? I mean, it's not like its there fault a damn piece of foam fell off their ET.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 10/11/2007 09:47 PM
Quote
Skylon - 11/10/2007  10:28 PM

STS 119 crew on spacefacts.de:

(Restrains myself from commenting on that site).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 10/11/2007 09:53 PM
How does spacefacts know the MS numbers already? I thought MS numbers (flight engineer etc) are decided by the CDR? Surely Archambault wouldn't have made his mind up yet - and certainly not gone and told spacefacts? Unless of course he was impressed with Swanson's performance as MS2 on STS-117?

Are these MS numbers just guesswork? Story Musgrave once told me that he deliberately asked for the 'MS4' slot on STS-61, just to show that the numbers meant nothing and 'MS1' was not necessarily 'in charge'.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 10/11/2007 10:00 PM
It didn't. I just did that as it seemed like the right thing to do for listing purposes (which was just in the order spacefacts listed them, minus a number). Chill.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 10/13/2007 03:01 AM
Just curious, that's all.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 10/13/2007 04:14 AM
I've read that Group 18 astronaut Michael Barratt has been chosen as back-up to Michael Fincke as EXP-18 Commander.
If for some reason Fincke cannot fly, will they really have a rookie take command of the ISS?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 10/13/2007 05:21 AM
Quote
TJL - 13/10/2007  8:14 AM

I've read that Group 18 astronaut Michael Barratt has been chosen as back-up to Michael Fincke as EXP-18 Commander. If for some reason Fincke cannot fly, will they really have a rookie take command of the ISS?

The back-up for Michael Fincke is officially Yuriy Lonchakov...

As for rookie ISS commander... Sergey Volkov will be Expedition 17 commander...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 10/13/2007 01:58 PM
Thanks, Anik for clearing that up.
I forgot about Volkov going on EXP-17.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: azman818 on 10/13/2007 05:40 PM
Looks like the pattern in the latest round of flight crew assigments has been to take the PLT and one of the spacewalkers who had flown together on a previous flight (a la Archambault and Swanson), and assign them as CDR and lead spacewalker on a subsequent flight.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 10/13/2007 07:00 PM
The 119 MS numbers are not real, as the crew hasn't had a meeting yet.

Dave
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: John2375 on 10/14/2007 02:57 PM
i'm not on L2.. what is the official STS-119 crew??
PS - do NOT tell me to do a search - I saw a crew listed but someone said it wasn't official as it came from spacefacts.de (why - are they wrong sometimes??)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: psloss on 10/14/2007 03:27 PM
Quote
John2375 - 14/10/2007  10:57 AM

i'm not on L2.. what is the official STS-119 crew??
PS - do NOT tell me to do a search - I saw a crew listed but someone said it wasn't official as it came from spacefacts.de (why - are they wrong sometimes??)
Probably more a question of timing -- it may not be "official" until the public announcement from NASA.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 10/19/2007 09:26 PM
RELEASE: 07-229

NASA ASSIGNS CREW FOR FINAL SOLAR ARRAY DELIVERY TO STATION

WASHINGTON -- NASA has assigned the space shuttle crew for Discovery's
STS-119 mission, targeted for launch in the fall of 2008. The flight
will deliver the final pair of power- generating solar array wings
and truss element to the International Space Station.

Air Force Col. Lee J. Archambault will command Discovery. Navy Cmdr.
Dominic A. Antonelli will serve as the pilot. The mission specialists
are Joseph Acaba, Richard R. Arnold II, John L. Phillips and Steven
R. Swanson. Antonelli, Acaba and Arnold will be making their first
spaceflight.

STS-119 will be the second spaceflight for Archambault and Swanson,
who flew together on STS-117 in June. Phillips will be making his
third spaceflight.

Discovery will carry the S6 truss segment to complete the
361-foot-long backbone of the space station. The truss includes the
fourth pair of solar array wings and electronics that convert
sunlight to power for the orbiting laboratory.

Archambault considers Bellwood, Ill., his hometown. He was the pilot
for STS-117. He earned a bachelor's and a master's in aeronautical
and astronautical engineering from the University of Illinois-Urbana.
He was selected as an astronaut in 1998.

Antonelli grew up in Indiana and North Carolina. He earned a
bachelor's and a master's in aeronautics and astronautics from
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, and the University
of Washington, Seattle, respectively. He has been a CAPCOM, or
capsule communicator, during launch and landing of space shuttle
missions. He was selected as an astronaut in 2000.

Acaba was raised in Anaheim, Calif. He earned a bachelor's and a
master's in geology from the University of California, Santa Barbara,
and the University of Arizona, Tucson, respectively. He has middle
school and high school math and science teaching experience. He was
selected as an astronaut in 2004.

Arnold, raised in Bowie, Md., earned a bachelor's degree in science
and completed the teacher certification program at Frostburg State
University, Md. He earned a master's in marine, estuarine and
environmental science from the University of Maryland, College Park.
He has teaching experience at middle schools and high schools around
the world. He served as a mission specialist for the 13th NASA
Extreme Environments Mission Operations, known as NEEMO, in August
2007. He was selected as an astronaut in 2004.

Phillips considers Scottsdale, Ariz., his hometown. He has logged more
than 190 days in space, including STS-100 and Expedition 11 on the
space station. He earned a bachelor's in mathematics and Russian from
the U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolis, Md., a master's in aeronautical
systems from the University of West Florida, Pensacola, and a
master's and a doctorate in geophysics and space physics from the
University of California, Los Angeles. He retired as a Navy reservist
captain in 2002. He was selected as an astronaut in 1996.

Swanson grew up in Steamboat Springs, Colo. He earned a bachelor's in
engineering physics from the University of Colorado, Boulder, a
master's in applied science in computer systems from Florida Atlantic
University, Boca Raton, and a doctorate in computer science from
Texas A&M University, College Station. He joined NASA as a systems
engineer for the shuttle training aircraft in 1987 and was selected
as an astronaut in 1998.

Members of the STS-119 crew were originally announced in 2002, but as
a result of changes in the flight manifest, new crew assignments were
necessary.

Video of the STS-119 crew members will air on NASA Television's Video
File. For downlink and scheduling information and links to streaming
video, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

For complete astronaut biographical information, visit:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios

For more information about NASA's Space Shuttle Program, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/shuttle

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dzlowe on 10/30/2007 02:58 PM
Have searched and can't find the answer:

How many times before have three women been in space at the same time?  Have there been more than three?

Thanks!

David
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 10/30/2007 05:59 PM
When sts 112 in 2002 flew Pam Melroy was pilot, Sandy Magnus mission specialist and the current station commander Peggy whitson was station flight engineer.

When sts 96 flew in 1999 Ellen Ochoa, Tamara Jernigan and Julie Payette was all mission specialists.

I´m not sure but I don´t think there have been more than 3 women in space at the same time yet.







Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 10/30/2007 06:13 PM
STS-40: Jernigan, Seddon and Hughes-Fulford...

Mir Expedition 17 and STS-63: Kondakova, Collins and Voss...

Mir Expedition 17 and STS-67: Kondakova, Lawrence and Jernigan...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dzlowe on 10/30/2007 08:03 PM
Thank you, OV-107 and anik!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: collectSPACE on 11/02/2007 06:39 AM
Quote
Chris Bergin - 1/10/2007  12:47 PM

STS-126 crew announcement:

Veteran space flier Navy Capt. Christopher J. Ferguson will command Endeavour. Air Force Lt. Col. Eric A. Boe will serve as the pilot. The mission specialists are Navy Cmdr. Stephen G. Bowen, NASA astronaut Joan E. Higginbotham, Army Lt. Col. Robert S. Kimbrough and Navy Capt. Heidemarie M. Stefanyshyn-Piper.
Fox News is reporting that Joan Higginbotham has chosen to resign from NASA, effective Nov. 30, and has been replaced by Don Pettit aboard STS-126.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 11/02/2007 07:02 AM
Has this happened before, an astronaut resigning from a flight assignment and NASA to go into private industry?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/03/2007 05:27 PM
Jon McBride resigned in early 1989, after being named to command STS-35. He was replaced by Vance Brand.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: svenge on 11/03/2007 07:16 PM
One must remember that McBride did have his scheduled command (STS-61E) postponed for 5 years (the ASTRO-1 mission was turned into STS-35) very suddenly due to Challenger.  I would think it might be hard to put one's professional life on hiatus for that long.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: FNG on 11/03/2007 09:43 PM
Quote
kimmern123 - 2/11/2007  3:02 AM

Has this happened before, an astronaut resigning from a flight assignment and NASA to go into private industry?

Not quite the same, but Mary Cleave resigned her STS 42 assignment for personal reasons.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 11/03/2007 10:40 PM
Which of these astronauts are still considered eligible for future assignments on the shuttle?
Group 13: Newman, Wolf
Group 14: Clervoy, Coleman, Gernhardt, Hadfield, Lawrence, Smith
Group 15: Hire, Kavandi, Noriega
Group 16: Cagle, Caldiero, J. Kelly, Morin, Guidoni
Thank you...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 11/03/2007 11:29 PM
Wendy Lawrence retired in June 2006. Other than that look at this site. It lists all the current NASA astronauts and their eligibility (i.e. Management v. flight assignable) as well all the former NASA astronauts. It also lists ESA, JAXA, and CSA astronauts.

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio_activemgmt.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 11/03/2007 11:34 PM
Quote
collectSPACE - 2/11/2007  3:39 AM

Quote
Chris Bergin - 1/10/2007  12:47 PM

STS-126 crew announcement:

Veteran space flier Navy Capt. Christopher J. Ferguson will command Endeavour. Air Force Lt. Col. Eric A. Boe will serve as the pilot. The mission specialists are Navy Cmdr. Stephen G. Bowen, NASA astronaut Joan E. Higginbotham, Army Lt. Col. Robert S. Kimbrough and Navy Capt. Heidemarie M. Stefanyshyn-Piper.
Fox News is reporting that Joan Higginbotham has chosen to resign from NASA, effective Nov. 30, and has been replaced by Don Pettit aboard STS-126.

Could you provide a link to this article please. I've just searched the Fox News website and there's nothing about this at all.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jmjawors on 11/03/2007 11:54 PM
The link is embedded in the text.  But here it is again:

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=4809498&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 11/04/2007 12:55 AM
Quote
jmjawors - 3/11/2007  8:54 PM

The link is embedded in the text.  But here it is again:

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=4809498&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1


Okay. Thanks. Missed the link earlier.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 11/04/2007 01:11 AM
Shame about Higginbothm leaving!  She was awesome on STS-116.  But I wish her the best in whatever she seeks to accomplish in the future.  Great job Joan!!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 11/04/2007 01:19 AM
Quote
kimmern123 - 2/11/2007  3:02 AM

Has this happened before, an astronaut resigning from a flight assignment and NASA to go into private industry?

Ox van Hoften gave up a spot on either 61-F or G (Shuttle Centaur) in 1986.  In 1984, T. J. Hart didn't have a formal assignment, but he gave up a sure rotation from the Solar Max mission to Spacelab D-1 in order to return to the business world.

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 11/04/2007 01:35 AM
John Fabian was already assigned to STS-61G, when he resigned.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: oscar71 on 11/04/2007 02:56 AM
Mary Cleave declined a spot on STS-42 and later resigned.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 11/04/2007 08:42 AM
I hope that after his great performance on Discovery,
Paolo Nespoli will be considered for a second flight,
MPLM - Donatello or Node3-Cupola.
faustod
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 11/04/2007 09:01 AM
I sure hope so to. I also hope Pambo, Zambo and Wheels will get a new flight assignment after 120. I guess Scott with his 5 spaceflights won't be selected for another flight.

I think Christer Fuglesang is first in line from the ESA-crowd though. I remember it was announced he was ESA's prime candidate for a flight assignment.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 11/04/2007 01:40 PM
QUOTE>>>Mary Cleave declined a spot on STS-42 and later resigned.

Who replaced Cleave on STS-42?
Thanks
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: FNG on 11/04/2007 03:22 PM
Quote
TJL - 4/11/2007  8:40 AM

QUOTE>>>Mary Cleave declined a spot on STS-42 and later resigned.

Who replaced Cleave on STS-42?
Thanks

Sonny Carter was assigned to replace Cleave, but he was killed in a plane crash and was replaced by David Hilmers.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Endeavour118 on 11/04/2007 04:16 PM
Quote
TJL - 3/11/2007  7:40 PM

Which of these astronauts are still considered eligible for future assignments on the shuttle?
Group 13: Newman, Wolf
Group 14: Clervoy, Coleman, Gernhardt, Hadfield, Lawrence, Smith
Group 15: Hire, Kavandi, Noriega
Group 16: Cagle, Caldiero, J. Kelly, Morin, Guidoni
Thank you...
group 13:Newman is Management - NASA Visiting Professor, Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, California.and wolf is still active
Group 14:Clervoy returned to home agency , Coleman is still active, Gernhardt is active and has 5 flights, Hadfield is active, Lawrence retired, Smith is Management - NASA Automated Transfer Vehicle (ATV) Launch Package Manager for the ISS Program
Group 15: Hire is still active, Kavandi Management - Deputy Chief, Astronaut Office, Johnson Space Center, Noriega is Management - Manager, Exploration Systems Engineering Office, Engineering Directorate, Johnson Space Center
Group 16:Cagle is Management - Space and Life Sciences Directorate, Johnson Space Center, Caldiero is     Management - WB-57 Program Office, Aircraft Operations Division, Johnson Space Center, J. Kelly is active, Morin is active, Guidoni is returned to home agency and is a member of the EU parlement
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 11/04/2007 05:23 PM
Endeavour118...thanks for a very detailed response!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Endeavour118 on 11/04/2007 05:38 PM
and i guess the mystery is sloved on why cagle and caldiero haven't flown yet
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: FNG on 11/04/2007 05:44 PM
Quote
TJL - 3/11/2007  9:35 PM

John Fabian was already assigned to STS-61G, when he resigned.

Fabian was also assigned to STS 61D Spacelab Life Sciences 1, so effectively resighed two flights.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: GLS on 11/04/2007 08:08 PM
Quote
FNG - 4/11/2007  6:44 PM

Quote
TJL - 3/11/2007  9:35 PM

John Fabian was already assigned to STS-61G, when he resigned.

Fabian was also assigned to STS 61D Spacelab Life Sciences 1, so effectively resighed two flights.

Wasn't 61D cancelled in like early 85????? 51L moved from July 85 to Jan. 86 after 61D was cancelled... I don't have my files here right now, but I think 61D was EOM-1 not SLS-1 (which then had another name)...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: FNG on 11/04/2007 09:02 PM
Hi,

61D (Spacelab 4) was SLS 1. Along with Fabian, Seddon and Bagian, both MDs, were assigned in February 1984. Brand (CDR) and Griggs (Pilot) were assigned in January 1985, when the flight was still scheduled for January 1986.

By the 19th September 1985 Brand and Griggs had been reassigned to STS 61K EOM1. The press release from then states,

"Brand and Griggs were reassigned from the Spacelab 4 mission, the first dedicated life sciences flight. The launch date for that mission is currently under review."

Brand had previously been assigned to command EOM1 when it was scheduled to fly on STS 51H. On that flight Mike Smith was assigned as pilot.  
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Endeavour118 on 11/05/2007 11:49 PM
Quote
kimmern123 - 4/11/2007  5:01 AM

I sure hope so to. I also hope Pambo, Zambo and Wheels will get a new flight assignment after 120. I guess Scott with his 5 spaceflights won't be selected for another flight.

I think Christer Fuglesang is first in line from the ESA-crowd though. I remember it was announced he was ESA's prime candidate for a flight assignment.
would the ESA have a new astronaut selection group since they only have like under 10 people left in the corps
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 11/06/2007 12:06 AM
Quote
Endeavour118 - 5/11/2007  6:49 PM

Quote
kimmern123 - 4/11/2007  5:01 AM

I sure hope so to. I also hope Pambo, Zambo and Wheels will get a new flight assignment after 120. I guess Scott with his 5 spaceflights won't be selected for another flight.

I think Christer Fuglesang is first in line from the ESA-crowd though. I remember it was announced he was ESA's prime candidate for a flight assignment.
would the ESA have a new astronaut selection group since they only have like under 10 people left in the corps


ESA announced this past summer that it would likely start the search for four new astronauts once Columbus has reached ISS.

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 11/06/2007 07:02 PM
They are searching for 4 new. It will be an astronaut selection somtime in the later parts of next year.
For now, they have only 6 at flight status. Nespoli is in space right now, Schlegel and Eyharts is on next flight, De Winne and Kuipers are in training for ISS long time missions and Fuglesang will be selected in one of the upcoming flight crew selections so they really longed for the new astronaut selection.

I heard Mark Polansky said in a tv show here in sweden when the sts 116 crew was here that he didn´t belived that he was going to be selected as cdr again.
But that was when Oefelein still was at nasa so things can have changed.
I personally prefer Jim Kelly instead but I wonder if he really will fly on the shuttle again when he is not selected but Mark Kelly, Chris Ferguson and Lee Archambault who flew after him has been promoted already?

I belived for a while that he was going to command sts 125 but Altman took the hubble-ride again.

Soichi Noguchi is backup for Koichi Wakata in Expedition 18.

I heard Steve Robinson said in an interview the he really would like to fly again but he understand that he with his 3 flights is "on last place in the queue" and if he won´t be selected, he would  gladly support missions from ground.
I hope they will select him when hey still can select veterans as Rick Linnehan, John Grunsfeld and John Philips.










Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Kel on 11/06/2007 09:00 PM
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OV-107 - 6/11/2007  2:02 PM

They are searching for 4 new. It will be an astronaut selection somtime in the later parts of next year.
For now, they have only 6 at flight status. Nespoli is in space right now, Schlegel and Eyharts is on next flight, De Winne and Kuipers are in training for ISS long time missions and Fuglesang will be selected in one of the upcoming flight crew selections so they really longed for the new astronaut selection.

Is Thomas Reiter still active? I believe he is ESA?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 11/06/2007 09:23 PM
No.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 11/06/2007 09:33 PM
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I personally prefer Jim Kelly instead but I wonder if he really will fly on the shuttle again when he is not selected but Mark Kelly, Chris Ferguson and Lee Archambault who flew after him has been promoted already?

I belived for a while that he was going to command sts 125 but Altman took the hubble-ride again.


James Kelly is currently serving as CAPCOM Branch Chief. I don't know what this means for his flight eligibility (or potential for assignment to an upcoming mission) but that's what he's doing right now according to his NASA bio which was update in October 2007.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 11/06/2007 10:10 PM
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OV-107 - 6/11/2007  2:02 PM

They are searching for 4 new. It will be an astronaut selection somtime in the later parts of next year.
For now, they have only 6 at flight status. Nespoli is in space right now, Schlegel and Eyharts is on next flight, De Winne and Kuipers are in training for ISS long time missions and Fuglesang will be selected in one of the upcoming flight crew selections so they really longed for the new astronaut selection.

Is Thomas Reiter still active? I believe he is ESA?

Thomas Reiter is an ESA-astronaut but he has begun work for Germanys space agency DLR.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: geminy007 on 11/07/2007 08:31 AM
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OV-107 - 6/11/2007  2:02 PM

They are searching for 4 new. It will be an astronaut selection somtime in the later parts of next year.
For now, they have only 6 at flight status. Nespoli is in space right now, Schlegel and Eyharts is on next flight, De Winne and Kuipers are in training for ISS long time missions and Fuglesang will be selected in one of the upcoming flight crew selections so they really longed for the new astronaut selection.

Is Thomas Reiter still active? I believe he is ESA?

Thomas Reiter is an ESA-astronaut but he has begun work for Germanys space agency DLR.

But he said in an interview, that he hopes to fly again in a couple of years,...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TomPri on 11/07/2007 02:29 PM
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Kel - 6/11/2007  11:00 PM

Is Thomas Reiter still active? I believe he is ESA?

Thomas Reiter is an ESA-astronaut but he has begun work for Germanys space agency DLR.

But he said in an interview, that he hopes to fly again in a couple of years,...

Which one interview? I´ve personaly done interview with him in June 2007 (only two months before he left ESA corp) and he said that he want to fly for third time, but his chance is very slim. And he don´t believe that offer of third flight will come...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Endeavour118 on 11/09/2007 01:24 AM
can anyone identify the US astronaut in this photo next to peggy and another thing i seen he has the sts-80 patch on a youtube clip
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-16/lores/jsc2007e051472.jpg
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Olaf on 11/09/2007 11:25 AM
I´ve just heard that Brent Jett is the new Director Flight Crew Operations, does anyone know who is his deputy?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/09/2007 03:34 PM
Is it Ken Cockrell?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 11/09/2007 05:46 PM
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Kel - 6/11/2007  11:00 PM

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OV-107 - 6/11/2007  2:02 PM

They are searching for 4 new. It will be an astronaut selection somtime in the later parts of next year.
For now, they have only 6 at flight status. Nespoli is in space right now, Schlegel and Eyharts is on next flight, De Winne and Kuipers are in training for ISS long time missions and Fuglesang will be selected in one of the upcoming flight crew selections so they really longed for the new astronaut selection.

Is Thomas Reiter still active? I believe he is ESA?

Thomas Reiter is an ESA-astronaut but he has begun work for Germanys space agency DLR.


What about Vittori, Duque, & Ewald?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 11/09/2007 08:06 PM
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OV-107 - 6/11/2007  2:02 PM

They are searching for 4 new. It will be an astronaut selection somtime in the later parts of next year.
For now, they have only 6 at flight status. Nespoli is in space right now, Schlegel and Eyharts is on next flight, De Winne and Kuipers are in training for ISS long time missions and Fuglesang will be selected in one of the upcoming flight crew selections so they really longed for the new astronaut selection.

Is Thomas Reiter still active? I believe he is ESA?

Thomas Reiter is an ESA-astronaut but he has begun work for Germanys space agency DLR.


What about Vittori, Duque, & Ewald?

Roberto Vittori is currently detached to the Italian Air Force under an ESA/Italian Airforce agreement until February 2008.

Reinhold Ewald is presently heading the Flight Operations Division within ESA’s ISS Operations department and located at the Columbus Control Centre near Munich. In this function he is directing a team of ESA Mission Directors managing the 1E Columbus laboratory delivery flight of 2007 and the Columbus activities thereafter.  

Pedro Duque was seconded by ESA as Director of Operations of the Spanish User Support and Operations Centre (USOC) in Madrid, which is managed by the Instituto da Riva/Universidad Politécnica de Madrid (IDR/UPM). There he manages the implementation and first operations of the Centre.  

(this info from esa.int)




Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: FNG on 11/09/2007 08:07 PM
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Ben E - 9/11/2007  10:34 AM

Is it Ken Cockrell?

Ben, yes I think it is.

The British Interplanetary Society's December issue of Spaceflight magazine is reporting that Douglas Hurley is about to complete his tour of duty as NASA's Director of Operations at Star City and be assigned to a shuttle crew.

I guess he could be assigned to STS 127, perhaps along with Hobaugh, Caldwell, Morin and a couple of the 2004 class. Just my thoughts. Any views?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 11/09/2007 08:39 PM
If his biography is correct Morin is working on the cockpit to the orion spacecraft. If so, I wonder if he will leave this and be selected to a shuttle mission. Please correct me if his biography is incorrect. I saw it was last uppdated in march 2006.

I think Hobaugh, Hurley and Caldwell is possible. I also guess for Danny Olivas and Jose Hernandez.
If 127 is carrying the Exposed Facility to the japanese experiment module maybe Yamazaki or Furukawa will also be onboard?



Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Endeavour118 on 11/09/2007 08:50 PM
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Olaf - 9/11/2007  7:25 AM

I´ve just heard that Brent Jett is the new Director Flight Crew Operations, does anyone know who is his deputy?
can you or anyone who has a nasa astronaut insider confirm that?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: bothwell on 11/09/2007 09:06 PM
Its official, check out his official NASA biographie.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 11/09/2007 09:08 PM
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Olaf - 9/11/2007  7:25 AM

I´ve just heard that Brent Jett is the new Director Flight Crew Operations, does anyone know who is his deputy?
can you or anyone who has a nasa astronaut insider confirm that?

Confirmed. Deputy is Curbeam.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 11/09/2007 09:23 PM
What about Morgan getting another flight?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Andy_Small on 11/09/2007 09:24 PM
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Trekkie07 - 9/11/2007  4:23 PM

What about Morgan getting another flight?

I could see her getting another flight that is Transfer intensive.  She seemed to really shine when it came to it!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 11/09/2007 09:31 PM
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Trekkie07 - 9/11/2007  4:23 PM

What about Morgan getting another flight?

I could see her getting another flight that is Transfer intensive.  She seemed to really shine when it came to it!

Definately. If Hobaugh get another flight as CDR then either Morgan, Caldwell or Drew will probably be with him if the current trend continues...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Endeavour118 on 11/09/2007 09:51 PM
and ellen is now JSC deputy director will we see jett down in fla for sts-122 when they launch during crew walk out u know how steve lindsey always walks out with them?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Endeavour118 on 11/09/2007 09:54 PM
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Ben E - 9/11/2007  10:34 AM

Is it Ken Cockrell?

Ben, yes I think it is.

The British Interplanetary Society's December issue of Spaceflight magazine is reporting that Douglas Hurley is about to complete his tour of duty as NASA's Director of Operations at Star City and be assigned to a shuttle crew.

I guess he could be assigned to STS 127, perhaps along with Hobaugh, Caldwell, Morin and a couple of the 2004 class. Just my thoughts. Any views?
if that is Ken cockrell he has gotten real old
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 11/09/2007 09:57 PM
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Ben E - 9/11/2007  10:34 AM

Is it Ken Cockrell?

Ben, yes I think it is.

The British Interplanetary Society's December issue of Spaceflight magazine is reporting that Douglas Hurley is about to complete his tour of duty as NASA's Director of Operations at Star City and be assigned to a shuttle crew.

I guess he could be assigned to STS 127, perhaps along with Hobaugh, Caldwell, Morin and a couple of the 2004 class. Just my thoughts. Any views?
if that is Ken cockrell he has gotten real old

That's not Ken Cockrell.  Truth is, I don't recognize him - could be a Flight Surgeon.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/09/2007 10:27 PM
Interesting news about Jett. I didn't know he'd retired four months ago and come back. What was he doing in those four months?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: collectSPACE on 11/09/2007 11:43 PM
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Endeavour118 - 9/11/2007  4:51 PM

will we see jett down in fla for sts-122 when they launch during crew walk out u know how steve lindsey always walks out with them?

The chief astronaut (Lindsey) rides with the crew on the astrovan, not the FCOD director (Jett). That said, I recall seeing Jett at the STS-120 walkout, he was off to the side watching.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: collectSPACE on 11/10/2007 12:01 AM
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DwightM - 9/11/2007  4:57 PM

That's not Ken Cockrell.  Truth is, I don't recognize him - could be a Flight Surgeon.
If you view the high-res version of that photo, you can just about make out his nametag: Smith Johnston, M.D., who is indeed a flight surgeon.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 11/10/2007 01:48 AM
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Endeavour118 - 9/11/2007  4:51 PM

will we see jett down in fla for sts-122 when they launch during crew walk out u know how steve lindsey always walks out with them?

The chief astronaut (Lindsey) rides with the crew on the astrovan, not the FCOD director (Jett). That said, I recall seeing Jett at the STS-120 walkout, he was off to the side watching.

Actually, I think both of them ride with the astroanuts. In Christer Fuglesan's book (boy, am I reading a lot of astronaut books) he mentions that Steve Lindsey and Ellen Ochoa were also on the astrovan. Ochoa, even pulled a prank on the rookies when she started asking for their shuttle boarding cards. Beamer and Roman dutifully took out very official looking boarding cards from their pockets while the rookies, thinking this was something necessary, panicked when they couldn't find their own card.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: texas_space on 11/10/2007 03:51 AM
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Endeavour118 - 9/11/2007  4:51 PM

will we see jett down in fla for sts-122 when they launch during crew walk out u know how steve lindsey always walks out with them?

The chief astronaut (Lindsey) rides with the crew on the astrovan, not the FCOD director (Jett). That said, I recall seeing Jett at the STS-120 walkout, he was off to the side watching.

Actually, I think both of them ride with the astroanuts. In Christer Fuglesan's book (boy, am I reading a lot of astronaut books) he mentions that Steve Lindsey and Ellen Ochoa were also on the astrovan. Ochoa, even pulled a prank on the rookies when she started asking for their shuttle boarding cards. Beamer and Roman dutifully took out very official looking boarding cards from their pockets while the rookies, thinking this was something necessary, panicked when they couldn't find their own card.

That's funny!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 11/10/2007 07:40 AM
Haha! Poor rookies... ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 11/10/2007 08:11 AM
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kimmern123 - 10/11/2007  3:48 AM

In Christer Fuglesan's book .

What's the title of the book, and is the book in English ?? were can I buy it  :)

Thanks,
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: collectSPACE on 11/10/2007 03:10 PM
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jacqmans - 10/11/2007  3:11 AM

What's the title of the book, and is the book in English?
Fuglesang has written two books since returning from space:
http://collectspace.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/001137.html

Per the publishers and Fuglesang (who I interviewed at the STS-120 launch) neither are currently planned for English translation.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 11/21/2007 06:54 PM
RELEASE: 07-259

NASA AMENDS CREW ASSIGNMENT FOR STS-126 MISSION

WASHINGTON - NASA has replaced a crew member assigned to space shuttle
mission STS-126. Astronaut Donald R. Pettit will take the place of
astronaut Joan E. Higginbotham, who has left NASA to accept a
position in the private sector. The mission is targeted to launch in
September 2008 and will deliver equipment to the International Space
Station enabling larger crews to reside aboard the complex.

Higginbotham flew as a mission specialist on STS-116 in December 2006.
She began her career at NASA's Kennedy Space Center, Fla., in 1987,
contributing to 53 space shuttle launches. She was selected as an
astronaut in 1996.

"Joan has done a tremendous job as an astronaut during the past 11
years," said Steve Lindsey, chief of the Astronaut Office at NASA's
Johnson Space Center, Houston. "She contributed her expertise to
nearly every space shuttle and International Space Station mission.
She will be missed, but we wish her the very best in her future
endeavors."

The STS-126 mission will be Pettit's second spaceflight. Pettit will
serve as a mission specialist aboard shuttle Endeavour. He joins
previously named crew members Commander Christopher J. Ferguson,
Pilot Eric A. Boe and mission specialists Stephen G. Bowen, Robert S.
Kimbrough and Heidemarie M. Stefanyshyn-Piper.

Pettit first flew as a crew member of Expedition 6, logging more than
161 days in space, including more than 13 hours during two
spacewalks. He launched to the station aboard shuttle mission STS-113
in November 2002 and returned to Earth on the Soyuz TMA-1 spacecraft
in May 2003. He was selected as an astronaut in 1996.

For complete astronaut biographical information, visit:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios

For more information about NASA's Space Shuttle Program, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/shuttle
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 11/21/2007 06:56 PM
Thanks for the official confirmation.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/22/2007 06:19 PM
So will Pettit literally take over Higginbotham's responsibilities (ie robotics and transfer work) or will he put his EVA experience to use as well?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 11/22/2007 06:41 PM
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Ben E - 22/11/2007  7:19 PM

So will Pettit literally take over Higginbotham's responsibilities (ie robotics and transfer work) or will he put his EVA experience to use as well?

I don't think we'll know for sure just yet, but yes, it is likely he will do the majority of what Higginbotham was going to do.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Endeavour118 on 11/22/2007 07:16 PM
anyone know what happened to jeff ashby? and his first flight was to be sts-85  and he resigned from that mission to take care of his 1st wife who died from cancer correct?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 11/23/2007 03:33 AM
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Endeavour118 - 22/11/2007  3:16 PM

anyone know what happened to jeff ashby? and his first flight was to be sts-85  and he resigned from that mission to take care of his 1st wife who died from cancer correct?

Didn't know that why he didn't fly STS-85. That's really tragic.

Last I checked he was still on a detached assignment to the USAF Academy.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 11/23/2007 03:49 AM
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Skylon - 22/11/2007  11:33 PM

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Endeavour118 - 22/11/2007  3:16 PM

anyone know what happened to jeff ashby? and his first flight was to be sts-85  and he resigned from that mission to take care of his 1st wife who died from cancer correct?

Didn't know that why he didn't fly STS-85. That's really tragic.

Last I checked he was still on a detached assignment to the USAF Academy.

Don't know anything about the STS-85 situation but Ashby is currently on special assignment to the Headquarters, Air Force Space Command in Colorado Springs, Colorado according to his official NASA Bio which was last updated in January 2006.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 11/23/2007 07:02 AM
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Endeavour118 - 22/11/2007  8:16 PM

anyone know what happened to jeff ashby? and his first flight was to be sts-85  and he resigned from that mission to take care of his 1st wife who died from cancer correct?

Hi,
Yes, Jeff Ashby asked to be dropped from STS-85 because his wife had been diagnosed with cancer. According to a letter I received from someone who knew the couple, Mrs. Ashby pleaded with her husband to still fly the mission. Naturally none of this was made public; the official press release simply stated that he had been "re-assigned."
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: John2375 on 11/23/2007 01:54 PM
Yes (why this is here since it's "personal"  I don't know, but anyway, yes he was assigned to STS-85 originally. On spacepatches.info in the funny/rare/personal section of the shuttle patch section, you can see the original STS-85 patch w/his name.
He has since re-married and flown 3 missions.  I hope he will be re-assigned to one more flight but there's only a few more to be assigned crews and more than enough deserving folks.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Endeavour118 on 11/23/2007 05:22 PM
on spacepatches.nl it says this:
Jeffrey S. Ashby removed himself from STS-85 to take care of his wife, who was dying of cancer. NASA made no mention of this to the press, out of concern for Ashby's privacy.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: apollo13 on 11/25/2007 06:09 PM
Anybody have the crew assignments for STS-127?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 11/25/2007 06:21 PM
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apollo13 - 25/11/2007  2:09 PM

Anybody have the crew assignments for STS-127?

NO. So far they've only assigned crews through STS-119.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 11/25/2007 06:22 PM
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apollo13 - 25/11/2007  7:09 PM

Anybody have the crew assignments for STS-127?

The only person we know for now is Timothy Kopra, the Expedition 18 Flight Engineer who will be launching on STS-127.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: apollo13 on 11/25/2007 06:22 PM
Wikipedia has flight crew assignments for 127..but they tok them off.

Charlie Hobugh was CDR, and MS 1 was Tracy Caldwell, and MS 2 was Jose Hernandez..but I think it was fake...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 11/25/2007 06:24 PM
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apollo13 - 25/11/2007  7:22 PM

Wikipedia has flight crew assignments for 127..but they tok them off.

Charlie Hobugh was CDR, and MS 1 was Tracy Caldwell, and MS 2 was Jose Hernandez..but I think it was fake...

Well, there has been speculation about Hobaugh getting this flight, but we will not know for sure until NASA actually assigns the crew. I think they will be assigned by the end of 2007/ beginning of 2008...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: apollo13 on 11/25/2007 06:27 PM
I exected this flight to be Chris Ferguson's flight, but he got 126.....I wanted Charlie on 119 on a more complicated flight. Lee deserves 127...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 11/25/2007 06:38 PM
Why do certain astronauts deserve different flights!? Anyway, it makes sense for Lee to get 119 as he has truss and solar array experience, but overall it really dosen't matter. If you look at the current trend (excluding STS-125), you will see why the CDRs are in this order.

Kelly (121/124)
Ferguson (115/126)
Oefelein (116/[Left NASA])
Archambault (117/119)
Hobaugh (118/127)?
Zamka (120/129)?



Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: apollo13 on 11/25/2007 09:19 PM
Question on wikipedia they have the STS-124 page, it says they are launching Greg Chamitoff for Expedition 17 and STS-127 says launching: Greg Chamitoff for E18.
That's weird...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 11/26/2007 02:31 AM
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apollo13 - 25/11/2007  5:19 PM

Question on wikipedia they have the STS-124 page, it says they are launching Greg Chamitoff for Expedition 17 and STS-127 says launching: Greg Chamitoff for E18.
That's weird...

The wiki entry for STS-127 is out of date. It's that simple.

As far as CDR, I'm still hoping Jim Kelly gets his chance on 127 (if they pass him on this I'll be convinced he ain't getting another flight).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 11/26/2007 06:20 PM
I have also heard about the speculation of Hobaugh to command 127 but i don´t think it´s shure that it will be so.
I´m pretty sure and hope that Charlie will command but it can also be on 128 or 129 for example.

I´m still hoping for J Kelly or Polansky or if some pilot in cdr-line resigns both of them getting a new flight.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: John2375 on 11/27/2007 02:43 AM
what about Pambo?? Couldn't she potentially draw one of the last flights?

Looks like Jeff Ashby won't be up for another; I agree about Jim Kelly, he certainly deserves one.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 11/27/2007 05:47 AM
I really hope Jim Kelly gets his shot as CDR.  He did an awesome job during STS-114.  As for Pambo, I would indeed like to see her back for one of the final flights.  She was absolutely outstanding during STS-120.  And don't worry about Wikipedia.  Most of that stuff is wrong anyway.  NSF is where the correct information is.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 11/28/2007 10:31 PM
Even if Jim Kelly was "marked" for Orion, wouldn't you think there was enough (training) time between the end of STS-127 and the beginning of Orion flying its first manned flight?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 11/29/2007 12:09 AM
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TJL - 28/11/2007  6:31 PM

Even if Jim Kelly was "marked" for Orion, wouldn't you think there was enough (training) time between the end of STS-127 and the beginning of Orion flying its first manned flight?

too much time
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 11/29/2007 12:35 AM
I hope Pam Melroy gets another flight because she was such a great commander.  I hope she gets on one of the flights in 2010.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/29/2007 03:51 PM
I still can't imagine a scenario other than giving as many first-time CDRs a chance before 2010. Hence, there are enough flights to give all of the Group 17 pilots their first command and fly the Group 18 and 19 pilots in the right seat. Look at the number of flights available and the number of unflown CDRs - if ULF-4 and ULF-5 fly, there are precisely enough flights to give every Group 17 PLT their first command. If I were Steve Lindsey, I'd want as many CDR-qualified astronauts as possible to carry over to Orion operations to compensate for any attrition from the corps after 2010. I personally don't see people with previous command experience getting another flight before Orion - but could be (and probably will be) proved wrong!





Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 11/30/2007 02:14 AM
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Ben E - 29/11/2007  11:51 AM

I still can't imagine a scenario other than giving as many first-time CDRs a chance before 2010. Hence, there are enough flights to give all of the Group 17 pilots their first command and fly the Group 18 and 19 pilots in the right seat. Look at the number of flights available and the number of unflown CDRs - if ULF-4 and ULF-5 fly, there are precisely enough flights to give every Group 17 PLT their first command. If I were Steve Lindsey, I'd want as many CDR-qualified astronauts as possible to carry over to Orion operations to compensate for any attrition from the corps after 2010. I personally don't see people with previous command experience getting another flight before Orion - but could be (and probably will be) proved wrong!

Didn't realize that about the CDR slots, but you are right.

I'm going to guess we'll be seeing rookie CDR's up through STS 130. STS 132 will likely get a veteran CDR given that it's the last assembly flight. If STS 131 and 133 are flown, I'll guess 131 will be commanded by a rookie CDR and 133 with a veteran as it's the last flight. Among the possible vets to end up with late flights: probably, Polansky, Sturckow and Melroy.

There would be some symmetry to Sturckow flying the last assembly mission, as he flew the first (STS-88).

Also, unless we hear a decision about STS 131 and 133 soon, I would not be surprised if Jim Dutton and Randy Bresnik fly their first missions as MS's.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 12/01/2007 01:00 PM
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Ben E - 29/11/2007  11:51 AM

I still can't imagine a scenario other than giving as many first-time CDRs a chance before 2010. Hence, there are enough flights to give all of the Group 17 pilots their first command and fly the Group 18 and 19 pilots in the right seat. Look at the number of flights available and the number of unflown CDRs - if ULF-4 and ULF-5 fly, there are precisely enough flights to give every Group 17 PLT their first command. If I were Steve Lindsey, I'd want as many CDR-qualified astronauts as possible to carry over to Orion operations to compensate for any attrition from the corps after 2010. I personally don't see people with previous command experience getting another flight before Orion - but could be (and probably will be) proved wrong!

Didn't realize that about the CDR slots, but you are right.

I'm going to guess we'll be seeing rookie CDR's up through STS 130. STS 132 will likely get a veteran CDR given that it's the last assembly flight. If STS 131 and 133 are flown, I'll guess 131 will be commanded by a rookie CDR and 133 with a veteran as it's the last flight. Among the possible vets to end up with late flights: probably, Polansky, Sturckow and Melroy.

There would be some symmetry to Sturckow flying the last assembly mission, as he flew the first (STS-88).

Also, unless we hear a decision about STS 131 and 133 soon, I would not be surprised if Jim Dutton and Randy Bresnik fly their first missions as MS's.

Yeah maybe they will fly as mission specialists on the shuttle (if they fly the shuttle at all) and then pilot and commanding orion missions.
If they will pilot the shuttle I think Virts, Ford, Hurley and Wilmore will be selected before them.

My vote is for Pam Melroy as the last shuttle commander (sts 133) and the opening orion commander (orion 3).

Do you think the 127 crew will be announced at the same time they announce that Atlantis will continue after 125 ?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ETEE on 12/01/2007 01:15 PM
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Skylon - 30/11/2007  3:14 AM

There would be some symmetry to Sturckow flying the last assembly mission, as he flew the first (STS-88).

Is this the right basis to select pilots for a mission?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 12/01/2007 04:16 PM
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ETEE - 1/12/2007  9:15 AM

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Skylon - 30/11/2007  3:14 AM

There would be some symmetry to Sturckow flying the last assembly mission, as he flew the first (STS-88).

Is this the right basis to select pilots for a mission?

Christ no. Just an observation if things occur that way. As I said if STS-132 gets flown by a veteran CDR, I'd expect it to be either Polansky, Sturckow or Melroy (as they are flown CDR's not in management positions, Scott Kelly I guess would also fit there). Obviously the best person available should be chosen and it could just as easily be a first-time CDR (from the 1998 class).

As far as STS-127's crew selection/Atlantis continuing to fly, maybe...I guess it will depend on post-flight evaluation and how long that takes. I'm sure we'll find out if STS 131 and 133 are flying if Atlantis is selected to continue flying.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 12/01/2007 04:33 PM
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OV-107 - 1/12/2007  9:00 AM


Yeah maybe they will fly as mission specialists on the shuttle (if they fly the shuttle at all) and then pilot and commanding orion missions.
If they will pilot the shuttle I think Virts, Ford, Hurley and Wilmore will be selected before them.

Just to add, the rookie pool is drying up rather fast. By my count the following are totally unassigned to a future flight at the moment:
96/98 MS's: Caldiero, Cagle, Woodward (God knows if they'll ever fly at this point).
2000 PLT's: Ford, Virts, Hurley, Wilmore (enough PLT slots for these guys).
2004 PLT's: Dutton and Bresnik (if 131 and 133 fly there are enough PLT slots for these two).
2004 MS's: Cassidy, Hernandez, Satcher, Marshburn, Metcalf-Lindenberger (the way things have been rolling I'm sure at least one will be on STS-127).
Foreign MS's: Furukawa, Yamazaki (I'm sure one will land STS-127 as it is another Japanese element going up).

Further, there are a couple rookie ISS Backups with no prime assignments:
Creamer, Walker (maybe will fly to ISS via Soyuz post-Shuttle, or fly on shuttle as a sort of consolation, similar to how Bonnie Dunbar ended up on STS-71).

That's 18 rookie astronauts without a flight assignment. 5 flights at minimum remain with no crews (about 35 seats remaining).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 12/01/2007 04:41 PM
I also hope James Kelly gets STS-127. As there now seems to be at least one MS flying with the CDR both from a same previous flight, that would make sense for Noguchi to fly with him (but Furukawa or Yamazaki is more likely).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 12/01/2007 04:43 PM
QUOTE..."That's 18 rookie astronauts without a flight assignment. 5 flights at minimum remain with no crews (about 35 seats remaining).

If I were one of those 18, I'd feel pretty good about my odds of flying.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 12/01/2007 05:50 PM
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ShuttleDiscovery - 1/12/2007  6:41 PM

I also hope James Kelly gets STS-127. As there now seems to be at least one MS flying with the CDR both from a same previous flight, that would make sense for Noguchi to fly with him (but Furukawa or Yamazaki is more likely).

Or Steve Robinson !
I would love to see him on a flight again and I hope he is not out of chance when they continue to sending veterans as Parazynski, Linnehan, Grunsfeld and Philips in to space.

Soichi Noguchi is backup to Koichi Wakata so I guess he has support work to do on ground when Wakatas mission is going on.

I can say that I really hope Jim Kelly gets sts 127 but if I would be asked to guess the CDR for this mission I would say Charlie Hobaugh.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 12/01/2007 06:08 PM
Well, it does seem to be that way (Kelly, Ferguson, Archambault) Hobaugh is the next in line not including STS-125.

I also hope Steve Robinson gets another flight, but who knows?


No idea when the crews will be named however, some time around the new year is my guess...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: MKremer on 12/01/2007 06:16 PM
Crew selection is a sort of "black art" NASA closely restricts to a select few people, and something we mere mortals on the 'outside' aren't privy to and will never totally understand.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Stevo on 12/03/2007 09:40 PM
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MKremer - 1/12/2007  2:16 PM

Crew selection is a sort of "black art" NASA closely restricts to a select few people, and something we mere mortals on the 'outside' aren't privy to and will never totally understand.  :laugh:

To understand how random and politicized it is, read "Dragonfly" by Bryan Burrough or "Riding Rockets" by Mike Mullane. While they both focus on some of the black magic of George Abbey in selecting flight crews the same sorts of favoritism/politics apply today with some astronauts flown several times in rapid succession while others remain grounded for life.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 12/04/2007 11:26 AM
I've just read DEKE by Slayton and Cassutt, which also provides some insights into the (early) crew selections. I think there's a lot of just being in the right place at the right time involved as well.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: azman818 on 12/04/2007 05:05 PM
Just as an observation, in Spacecraft Film's Apollo 9 set, Rusty Schweickart was quoted as saying he felt he didn't receive another prime crew assignment after Apollo 9 because he wasn't 'one of Al Shepard's boys'.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/07/2007 04:18 PM
Beamer's left NASA. Thanks for the shakes, sir.

VETERAN ASTRONAUT AND SPACEWALKER ROBERT CURBEAM LEAVES NASA

HOUSTON - NASA astronaut Robert Curbeam, Jr., has left NASA to take a
job in the private sector.

"Bob has served his country with distinction for more than 23 years,
both as an astronaut and naval officer," said Brent Jett, director of
the Flight Crew Operations Directorate at NASA's Johnson Space Center in
Houston. "His accomplishments and talents are truly extraordinary.
We are grateful for his service at NASA and wish him well in his new
career."

Curbeam most recently served as deputy director of the Flight Crew
Operations Directorate. He has flown on three space shuttle missions.
On his last flight, STS-116 in December 2006, Curbeam became the first
shuttle astronaut ever to conduct four spacewalks in a single mission.
During the spacewalks, he assisted in clearing problems that had
prevented the folding of a solar array wing on the International Space
Station and completed other assembly tasks.

Curbeam also flew on STS-85 in August 1997 and STS-98 in February 2001.
During the STS-98 mission, he performed three spacewalks to help install
the space station's Destiny laboratory. He has accumulated 45 hours and
34 minutes of spacewalking time and more than 900 hours in space.

NASA selected Curbeam as an astronaut in December 1994. He has served in
a variety of technical and management positions within the Astronaut
Office in Houston. He also served as deputy associate administrator for
safety and mission assurance at NASA Headquarters in Washington and as
director of safety, reliability and quality assurance for the
Constellation Program.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: brahmanknight on 12/07/2007 04:28 PM
Wow.  Sorry to hear that he left, but I wish him good luck.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jeff Lerner on 12/07/2007 04:55 PM
I'm guessing we're going to see a lot more of this in the near future...experienced astronauts leaving NASA for other jobs as the Shuttle program winds down. When we started to lose experienced people during the dot_Com boom, my company started to offer retention bonuses for people with so called "hot skills"...still plenty of astronauts around but not that many with the experience level of Curbeam and as I said, easy to predict more of the expereinced ones leaving as the realize they have no chance for future flights...wonder who will "turn out" the lights...any guesses who might still be aorund to fly the last Shuttle flight in 2010 ??

Edited for typo's
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 12/07/2007 05:15 PM
No big deal.  Just like Apollo to Shuttle, people will still hang around for a flight
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dawei on 12/07/2007 05:24 PM
A flight assignment is a BIG retention bonus.  Sure, some will leave and they have every right to do so.  But I don't think they will have any problem filling available seats.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 12/07/2007 09:33 PM
If the bill being discussed here http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=11084&posts=40&start=1 goes through, I wonder if they'll scrap the four flight 'limit'?  They'll almost certainly have to recycle the Group 18 & 19 pilots in those positions with more to come in Group 20.  Minor questions for a major topic, I know, but talk about taking a sharp left on what you thought was a straight road...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 12/07/2007 09:39 PM
I imagine some astronauts will stick around, as the four-year Shuttle-to-CEV gap is (supposedly) shorter than the six-year Apollo-to-Shuttle gap, but what will happen when the CEV is finally operational? Looking at the schedule, it'll only be flying a few times manned in the next decade anyway, mostly with crews of two or (at most) four. Even with six-month ISS missions, that only allows for an extra four US seats for the station per year. Unlike the optimistic late 1970s when the Shuttle was envisaged to fly regular missions with crews of seven, I can't see many astronauts wanting to stick around...in fact, the only available carrot would surely be a chance to walk on the Moon.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dawei on 12/08/2007 03:07 AM
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Ben E - 8/12/2007  6:39 AM

I imagine some astronauts will stick around, as the four-year Shuttle-to-CEV gap is (supposedly) shorter than the six-year Apollo-to-Shuttle gap, but what will happen when the CEV is finally operational? Looking at the schedule, it'll only be flying a few times manned in the next decade anyway, mostly with crews of two or (at most) four. Even with six-month ISS missions, that only allows for an extra four US seats for the station per year. Unlike the optimistic late 1970s when the Shuttle was envisaged to fly regular missions with crews of seven, I can't see many astronauts wanting to stick around...in fact, the only available carrot would surely be a chance to walk on the Moon.

And that is a BIG carrot!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 12/09/2007 06:14 PM
I had the great pleasure of meeting Beamer in April and he's just a terrific guy. I wish him the best of luck in his new career and I'm sure he'll do a tremendous job.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: herry on 12/11/2007 01:47 PM
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anik - 4/11/2005  7:05 AM

It is a very old plan (May 2005)... There might be changes since then...
Good plan is good plan, though it's old,we can get much thing from it.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 12/13/2007 10:15 PM
What do you believe will be the crew of the STS-3xx rescue mission for the LAST Shuttle mission ?

(very stupid question, but I couldn't help !)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 12/14/2007 12:00 AM
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hektor - 13/12/2007  2:15 PM

What do you believe will be the crew of the STS-3xx rescue mission for the LAST Shuttle mission ?

(very stupid question, but I couldn't help !)

My guess is that it would be made up of the core of a recently flown crew (STS-131 or 132).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 12/14/2007 05:59 PM
SpaceFact.de reports that the Backup Space Tourist of
Richard Garriott, for Soyuz TMA 13, will be Nik Halik (Australia).

Now a simple question:
After the departure of Curbeam, has NASA already named a new
Deputy Director of Flight Operations?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ender0319 on 12/14/2007 06:01 PM
No but you can apply for the position -> http://jobsearch.usajobs.opm.gov/a9nasai.asp

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faustod - 14/12/2007  12:59 PM

Now a simple question:
After the departure of Curbeam, has NASA already named a new
Deputy Director of Flight Operations?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ras391 on 12/14/2007 06:20 PM
According to Space Adventures, they have not picked a backup.  Halik just said he is the backup. They say he is one of the ones under consideration. They have others.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 12/14/2007 07:34 PM
Spacefacts.de has copied word for word the entry I wrote about Nik Halik in the English language wikipedia. ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 12/14/2007 09:46 PM
Do you think Sunita Williams will be the second women to command a long duration ISS mission ?


Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 12/14/2007 10:55 PM
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OV-107 - 14/12/2007  10:46 PM

Do you think Sunita Williams will be the second women to command a long duration ISS mission ?



It's possible as Peggy flew once before on ISS before becoming a female commander... :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 12/17/2007 09:15 AM
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hektor - 14/12/2007  9:34 PM

Spacefacts.de has copied word for word the entry I wrote about Nik Halik in the English language wikipedia. ;)

I seriously start to consider Spacefacts to be a dubious webpage …

What a bummer! I like the concept of that website — but pooling together uncredited information and presenting Wiki clippings is kind of sappy …
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 12/23/2007 10:17 PM
I see that STS-118 CDR Scott Kelly has been assigned as back-up CDR to Jeff Williams on EXP-20A (Soyuz TMA-16).
With shuttle retiring in 2010, and veteran shuttle CDR's not getting many flight opportunities, he probably views it as the only way of returning to ISS (before Orion takes flight).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Carl G on 12/23/2007 10:49 PM
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nethegauner - 17/12/2007  4:15 AM

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hektor - 14/12/2007  9:34 PM

Spacefacts.de has copied word for word the entry I wrote about Nik Halik in the English language wikipedia. ;)

I seriously start to consider Spacefacts to be a dubious webpage …

What a bummer! I like the concept of that website — but pooling together uncredited information and presenting Wiki clippings is kind of sappy …

They are leeches. A German guy runs it with the help of some American. They both seem to enjoy stealing from other sites. Maybe those Space.com hackers should target a site that deserves it ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: bothwell on 12/24/2007 10:39 AM
Spacefacts.de is a great site with a lot of usefull information.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 12/24/2007 10:50 AM
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bothwell - 24/12/2007  11:39 AM

Spacefacts.de is a great site with a lot of usefull information.

I too find it helpful as it is a very organised site and you can find lots of information very quickly, but I too get the feeling they just 'borrow' off other sites... :o
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Endeavour118 on 01/05/2008 07:24 AM
when will they come out with sts-127's crew?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 01/05/2008 09:06 AM
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Endeavour118 - 5/1/2008  8:24 AM

when will they come out with sts-127's crew?

This has already been asked a number of times and the answer is probably after STS-122.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skyrocket on 01/11/2008 09:10 AM
According to the polish "Loty kosmiczne"-Website the crew for STS-127 consists of following astronauts. Although not official, this website has in the past often been reporting the crews correctly before the official NASA release

http://astro.zeto.czest.pl/loty/sts127.htm

CDR: Mark L. Polansky
PLT: Douglas G. Hurley
MS: David A. Wolf
MS: Julie Payette
MS: Christopher J. Cassidy
MS: Thomas H. Marshburn
MS/ISS: Timothy L. Kopra

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 01/11/2008 03:39 PM
This website has been proved in the past to have semi-correct information. For example, it predicted the pre-Columbia STS-118 crew as including Don Thomas (wrong), but correctly predicted the remainder of the crew. Personally, I'd be surprised to see Polansky get another command, but who knows?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 01/11/2008 04:07 PM
Polansky is correct. We checked into and confirmed him a few weeks ago. Source asked me not to publish (not even on L2) so as not to potentially cause problems, so I didn't.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 01/11/2008 04:11 PM
That is great news! I've been hoping for Mark getting another flight ever since I met him last year. He's just a great guy that really deserved another flight!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 01/11/2008 04:12 PM
Fair enough. It's interesting that there's no Japanese involvement on the final JEM flight.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 01/11/2008 04:25 PM
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Ben E - 11/1/2008  5:12 PM

Fair enough. It's interesting that there's no Japanese involvement on the final JEM flight.

Remember, I only know about the commander. No idea about the rest of the crew.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 01/11/2008 05:43 PM
I guess the way things are going James Kelly won't get another flight as CDR :( ...

STS-121/STS-124 - Mark Kelly
STS-115/STS-126 - Ferguson
STS-117/STS-119 - Archambault
STS-116/STS-127 - Polansky
STS-118/STS-128 - Hobaugh?
STS-120/STS-139 - Zamka?
STS-122/STS-130 - Poindexter?

..you get my drift.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 01/11/2008 05:48 PM
Wow. Two people from 2004 selection on the STS-127 crew. With Kimbrough on STS-126 too they definately seem to be putting as many of them on as they can...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jeff Lerner on 01/11/2008 06:10 PM
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Ben E - 11/1/2008  12:12 PM

Fair enough. It's interesting that there's no Japanese involvement on the final JEM flight.

Well, if Julie Payette is confirmed on STS-127 that kind of makes up for no CSA astronaut on STS-123 with Dextre being the final Canadian contribution on that flight.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 01/11/2008 06:10 PM
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ShuttleDiscovery - 11/1/2008  7:43 PM

I guess the way things are going James Kelly won't get another flight as CDR :( ...

STS-121/STS-124 - Mark Kelly
STS-115/STS-126 - Ferguson
STS-116/STS-127 - Polansky
STS-117/STS-128 - Archambault?
STS-118/STS-129 - Hobaugh?
STS-120/STS-130 - Zamka?
STS-122/STS-131 - Poindexter?

..you get my drift.

Archambault is CDR on STS-119, not STS-128. That crew is still not announced ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 01/11/2008 06:13 PM
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kimmern123 - 11/1/2008  7:10 PM

Archambault is CDR on STS-119, not STS-128. That crew is still not announced ;)

Oops! I forgot STS-119 in there. I'll correct it..
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: collectSPACE on 01/11/2008 07:12 PM
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Ben E - 11/1/2008  11:12 AM

It's interesting that there's no Japanese involvement on the final JEM flight.
JAXA's Kibo logos released last year hinted at this, as their STS-127 emblem listed ISS crewmember Koichi Wakata as their mission representative.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 01/12/2008 01:42 AM
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ShuttleDiscovery - 11/1/2008  1:43 PM

I guess the way things are going James Kelly won't get another flight as CDR :( ...


Maybe not the way things are going. He has retired from the USAF but is still an active astronaut. Maybe he hopes to go into management? Or he could have his sights on the first CEV flight?

I guess Rick Sturckow and Pam Melroy shouldn't be ruled out for future flights as CDR either if Polansky is getting another flight.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: apollo13 on 01/12/2008 02:25 AM
STS-116/STS-127 - Polansky

He is going back?

I haven't heard that the crew had been selected...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ad Astra on 01/12/2008 05:41 AM
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apollo13 - 11/1/2008  9:25 PM

STS-116/STS-127 - Polansky

He is going back?

I haven't heard that the crew had been selected...

Read the thread ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 01/12/2008 05:57 AM
RELEASE: 08-005

NASA UPDATES INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION CREW ASSIGNMENTS

HOUSTON - NASA has updated assignments for International Space Station
expedition crews. The updates reflect changes in the launch schedule
for space shuttle missions that will transport rotating crew members.


Astronaut Garrett E. Reisman, a member of the Expedition 16 and 17
crews, now is scheduled to return to Earth on the STS-124 shuttle
mission, which is targeted to launch April 24, 2008. He originally
was slated to return on STS-126. As planned, Reisman will fly to the
station on STS-123, which is targeted to launch in March. He is a
native of New Jersey and has a doctorate in mechanical engineering
from the California Institute of Technology.

Astronaut Gregory E. Chamitoff is scheduled to fly to the station as a
mission specialist on STS-124. He will take Reisman's place as an
Expedition 17 flight engineer and return to Earth on shuttle mission
STS-126, which is targeted to launch Sept. 18, 2008. Chamitoff, who
was born in Montreal, Canada, grew up in San Jose, Calif. He has a
doctorate in aeronautics and astronautics from the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology.

Astronaut Sandra H. Magnus will fly to the station on STS-126 to
replace Chamitoff. Magnus, a native of Illinois with a doctorate in
material science and engineering from the Georgia Institute of
Technology, will serve as a flight engineer and NASA science officer
for part of Expedition 17 and part of Expedition 18. Magnus will
return to Earth on shuttle mission STS-119 in the fall of 2008.

Astronaut Koichi Wakata will launch on STS-119 and become the first
resident station crew member from the Japan Aerospace Exploration
Agency, or JAXA, replacing Magnus on Expedition 18. Wakata will serve
as a flight engineer on Expedition 18 and return on STS-127.

Backup crew assignments also have been updated. They are included in
the following International Space Station crew lineup:

Expedition 16
Peggy Whitson, NASA astronaut
Yuri Malenchenko, Russian cosmonaut
Daniel Tani, NASA astronaut
Leopold Eyharts, European Space Agency astronaut
Garrett Reisman, NASA astronaut (Backup: Timothy Kopra)

Expedition 17
Sergei Volkov, Russian cosmonaut (Backup: Maxim Suraev)
Oleg Kononenko, Russian cosmonaut (Backup: Oleg Skripochka)
Gregory Chamitoff, NASA astronaut (Backup: Timothy Kopra)
Sandra Magnus, NASA astronaut (Backup: Nicole Stott)

Expedition 18
Michael Fincke, NASA astronaut (Backup: Michael Barratt)
Salizhan Sharipov, Russian cosmonaut (Backup: Yuri Lonchakov)
Koichi Wakata, Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency astronaut (Backup:
Soichi Noguchi)

For astronaut biographical information, visit:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 01/12/2008 06:05 AM
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Ben E - 11/1/2008  11:12 AM

Fair enough. It's interesting that there's no Japanese involvement on the final JEM flight.

Other than the fact it's their payload that's riding into orbit, huh? ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 01/13/2008 04:52 PM
Yes!
Congratulations "Roman" !

I hope nasa confirm the whole crew at short.

They are breaking the line now as none of them have flown together before. And congratulations to Payette if she is on this flight.
It´s a shame that she have to wait 10 years for a second flight.

About Jim Kelly i won´t give up the hope for him before sts 133 has launched. Maybe he will stay in management until orion ?
Or maybe he is already selected to fly on orion 3 together with a new from the 2009-class? I don´t think this crew is selected yet but if he will be the  commander of orion 3, wouldn´t it be good if he has commanded a spaceflight  earlier when he is commanding a totally new spacecraft no one has flown before ?
I just wonder. I mean, John Young commanded both Gemini 10 and Apollo 16 before STS 1 and Walther Schirra was alone on Mercury-Atlas 8 and commanded Gemini 6 A before command the first manned Apollo mission Apollo 7.


I hope to see Christer Fuglesang and Nick Patrick in crew selections later this year.












Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 01/13/2008 10:58 PM
Just to note, if true, this leaves the unassigned, un-flown rookie list at 14 (including two Japanese MS's):

Caldiero
Cagle
Woodward
Ford
Wilmore
Virts
Bresnik
Hernandez
Dutton
Metcalf-Lindenberger
Satcher
Furkuawa
Yamazaki

Backups only so far:
Walker

Still enough seats remaining (even without STS 131 and 133) to turn everyone's silver pins into gold.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: rvastro on 01/15/2008 11:32 PM
Any idea if Morgan is going to return to space? One flight (STS-119) has a pair of teachers going up (Acaba and Arnold). That leaves one from the Educator-Astronaut selection of 2004 to fly. Would be great to see Morgan and Metcalf-Lindenberger make a flight together
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dember on 01/16/2008 12:07 AM
This is not a confirmed assignment on wikipedia but here are some names for 127: Polansky, Hurley, Wolf, Payette, Cassidy, Marshburn, Kopra, Wakata(Returning from iss).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Seattle Dave on 01/16/2008 12:23 AM
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dember - 15/1/2008  7:07 PM

This is not a confirmed assignment on wikipedia but here are some names for 127: Polansky, Hurley, Wolf, Payette, Cassidy, Marshburn, Kopra, Wakata(Returning from iss).

Wiki is not a source. It's just random people scouring the net for names and 127 is previously discussed on the earlier pages.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 01/18/2008 05:05 PM
E-mail from someone at NASA:

Administrator's Answers      


       
From:  Anonymous
Date:  16-Jan-2008      
Question(s):
Given that College Professors were precluded from the previous Educator Astronaut selections (only K-12 Educators considered), will there be any attempt by NASA in the future to consider them for inclusion into the Educator Astronaut ranks?        

Response:


I have no plans to conduct a further selection of Educator Astronauts
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: rvastro on 01/20/2008 02:10 AM
Is this Griffin's answer? A bit deflating for science educators....

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Chris Bergin - 18/1/2008  12:05 PM

E-mail from someone at NASA:

Administrator's Answers      


       
From:  Anonymous
Date:  16-Jan-2008      
Question(s):
Given that College Professors were precluded from the previous Educator Astronaut selections (only K-12 Educators considered), will there be any attempt by NASA in the future to consider them for inclusion into the Educator Astronaut ranks?        

Response:


I have no plans to conduct a further selection of Educator Astronauts
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 01/25/2008 11:53 AM
Hi,
I’ve just waded through the JSC Astronaut and Flight Surgeon Survey Report. The extract below is quite interesting!
Regards,
David.

Crew Assignment Process
Astronauts report a varied understanding of the crew assignment process, including performance and medical eligibility. In particular, astronauts agreed with the statements that they understand the medical eligibility process and criteria being used as well as understand the performance eligibility process and criteria. Further, astronauts reported lower agreement, falling into the neutral range, with the statements that they know where to find the documented crew assignment process and that they understand the crew assignment process and criteria being used. Specifically, astronauts noted a desire to increase the transparency of the crew assignment process, including the factors being considered, the inputs used for decision making, understanding of their personal standing for eligibility and assignment, and more insight into the likelihood for and the timing of flights. Further comments noted an understanding of the complexity of the assignment process. Suggestions for improvement were aligned with these results and focused on increasing the transparency of the process through more communication on how the process works, feedback on individual standing, and openness throughout the process.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 01/26/2008 04:14 AM
Transparency in flight crew assignments? What ever would George Abbey think?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 01/31/2008 11:20 AM
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Skylon - 26/1/2008  6:14 AM

Transparency in flight crew assignments? What ever would George Abbey think?

Or Jim?  ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 01/31/2008 12:32 PM
I was just stating reality.    I am all for it
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 02/01/2008 09:10 AM
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Jim - 31/1/2008  2:32 PM

I was just stating reality.    I am all for it

Yes, of course. I did not want to put that in question. I just had to think of some really interesting discussions on the forum whenever someone thought he recognized some kind of pattern in assignments. That was fun ...

 ;)

When it comes to logic, the recent assignment of two educator astronauts to just one single flight speaks volumes -- once more ...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 02/02/2008 12:56 PM
Is Piers Sellers still in the astronaut corps?
I´ve not heard anything about him since STS 121.




Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Endeavour118 on 02/02/2008 08:03 PM
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OV-107 - 2/2/2008  8:56 AM

Is Piers Sellers still in the astronaut corps?
I´ve not heard anything about him since STS 121.




yes he is still a NASA astronaut
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TALsite on 02/07/2008 12:03 PM
Today in “Heraldo de Aragón” (the first local newspaper) there’s an article about the role of our city in the Shuttle program.   There are some words from Thomas Friers (Operations Director from NASA here) and from Randy Bresnik, the assigned astronaut or TALcom.
And about Bresnik, the journalist says “Bresnik, that will fly in Atlantis on a next flight…” (In Spanish:  “Bresnik, que volará en el Atlantis proximamente…”).  
Knowing the media, maybe the journalist wants to say “Bresnik, that will fly in the Shuttle someday…”

But if the info is accurate, the next Atlantis flight to assign a crew will be STS-128 (post-Hubble mission).  Maybe Bresnik as MS2?

Regards.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 02/07/2008 11:18 PM

Interesting.
It´s likely that he will be the flight engineer if he will fly on STS 128. It is 3 pilots still from the 2000 class to be assigned, Ken Ford, Terry Virts and Butch Wilmore so I doubt Bresnik or Dutton will fly as pilots before them, but as ms 2 it´s possible.
But I wonder if they really have assigned the STS 128 crew yet. It sounds early.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 02/10/2008 04:01 PM
Question came up a while back if Anna Fisher (Selected in 1978 - Group 8) is still eligible for a flight assignment.
I found this photo of her (on NASA site) taken last month, working with S. Korean spaceflight participants.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 02/11/2008 03:34 PM
Press Release No.09-2008
Paris, 11 February 2008


ESA astronaut Frank De Winne to spend six months on the ISS in 2009

With the Columbus mission well under way, the space station programme has assigned crews for the next flight opportunities. Belgian ESA astronaut Frank De Winne joins Expedition 19 and will spend six months on the ISS in 2009. In May 2009, he will fly together with Russian cosmonaut Yuri Lonchakov and Canadian Space Agency astronaut Robert Thirsk on a Russian Soyuz spacecraft to the ISS.

The arrival of Frank De Winne and his two crewmates will for the first time expand the station's crew size to six. They will join Russian cosmonaut Gennady Padalka, the Expedition 19 commander, and NASA astronauts Michael Barratt and Nicole Stott. By then, the Japanese Kibo laboratory will also be attached to the ISS.

Frank De Winne has been back-up for French ESA astronaut Léopold Eyharts for the ongoing Columbus mission. Like Eyharts, De Winne trained on the Shuttle, the ISS and on Columbus and the ATV. He is therefore already very familiar with those spacecraft. Moreover, he spent 12 days in space and onboard the ISS in 2002 for ESA's Odissea mission. On 30 October 2002, he launched with the new Russian Soyuz TMA-1 spacecraft from Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan; during that mission, Frank De Winne carried out a complete package of scientific experiments, technology demonstrations and education activities.

The back-up for Frank De Winne for the second European long-term mission to the ISS in May 2009 will be André Kuipers, ESA astronaut of Dutch nationality. Kuipers has also already been to the ISS. He flew in April 2004 on the Russian Soyuz TMA-4 spacecraft and spent 12 days in space during the Delta mission. Like De Winne he conducted a fully-fledged package of scientific experiments, technology demonstrations and education activities.
 
Once the European Columbus laboratory has been attached to the ISS, ESA will not only be an essential operational partner in the ISS, but will also have a 8.3% share in the station's resources. The corresponding share in crew time allows ESA to send one European astronaut for a six-month stay on the ISS every second year. Frank De Winne's flight is based on this part of the agreement between the ISS programme partners. He will conduct scientific experiments, technology demonstrations and educational activities during his stay on the ISS, along with various operational tasks on all the station's international elements.


For further information:
ESA Media Relations Office
Communication and Knowledge Department
Tel: + 33 1 5369 7299
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 02/11/2008 05:06 PM
RELEASE: 08-052

NASA ASSIGNS CREWS FOR STS-127 AND EXPEDITION 19 MISSIONS

WASHINGTON - NASA has assigned crews for the STS-127 space shuttle
mission and the Expedition 19 International Space Station mission.
The STS-127 mission will deliver the final components of the Japan
Aerospace Exploration Agency's Kibo laboratory to the station.
Expedition 19 will double the size of the resident crew on the
complex, expanding it to six people.

Mark L. Polansky will command the shuttle Endeavour for STS-127,
targeted to launch in 2009. Marine Corps Lt. Col. Douglas G. Hurley
will serve as the pilot. Mission specialists are Navy Lt. Cmdr.
Christopher J. Cassidy, Thomas H. Marshburn, David A. Wolf and Julie
Payette, a Canadian Space Agency astronaut.

The mission will deliver Army Col. Timothy L. Kopra to the station to
join Expedition 18 as a flight engineer and science officer and
return Japanese astronaut Koichi Wakata to Earth. Hurley, Cassidy,
Marshburn and Kopra will be making their first trips to space.

STS-127 will launch and install the Kibo Japanese Experiment Module
Exposed Facility and Experiment Logistics Module Exposed Section. The
facility will provide a type of "front porch" for experiments in the
exposed environment, and a robotic arm that will be attached to the
Kibo Pressurized Module and used to position experiments outside the
station. The mission will include five spacewalks.

Polansky first flew as pilot of STS-98 in 2001 and then commanded
STS-116 in 2006. He considers Edison, N.J., his hometown. Polansky
has bachelor's and master's degrees from Purdue University.

Hurley considers Apalachin, N.Y., his hometown. He has a bachelor's
from Tulane University, New Orleans.

Cassidy considers York, Maine, his hometown and has a bachelor's from
the U.S. Naval Academy and a master's from Massachusetts Institute of
Technology (MIT).

Born in Statesville, N.C., Marshburn has a bachelor's from Davidson
College, Davidson, N.C., master's degrees from the University of
Virginia and the University of Texas Medical Branch, and a doctorate
of medicine from Wake Forest University.

A native of Indianapolis, Wolf will be making his fourth spaceflight.
He first flew on STS-58 in 1993. He next flew a 128-day mission to
the Russian space station Mir, launching aboard STS-86 in September
1997 and landing on STS-89 in January 1998. His third flight was on
STS-112 in 2002. Wolf has a bachelor's from Purdue University and a
doctorate of medicine from Indiana University.

Payette, born in Montreal, flew as a mission specialist on STS-96 in
1999. She has an International Baccalaureate from the United World
College of the Atlantic in the United Kingdom, a bachelor's from
McGill University and a master's from the University of Toronto.

Kopra is a native of Austin, Texas, and holds a bachelor's from the
U.S. Military Academy and a master's from Georgia Institute of
Technology.

Expedition 19 will be commanded by cosmonaut and Russian Air Force
Col. Gennady Padalka. In March 2009, he will command the Soyuz
spacecraft that will launch him and astronaut Michael R. Barratt to
the station. Astronaut Nicole P. Stott will join them, arriving on
the STS-128 shuttle mission to replace Kopra. She will serve as a
flight engineer and science officer and return to Earth on the next
Soyuz spacecraft. Barratt and Stott will be making their first trips
to space.

In May 2009, cosmonaut and Russian Air Force Lt. Col. Yuri Lonchakov
will command a Soyuz spacecraft that will launch to join Expedition
19 in progress on the station. With Lonchakov will be European Space
Agency astronaut Frank De Winne of Belgium and Canadian Space Agency
astronaut Robert B. Thirsk. Their arrival will expand the station's
crew size to six for the first time. Lonchakov and De Winne will
serve as flight engineers on the station and return on the Soyuz with
Stott. Thirsk also will serve as a flight engineer and will return to
Earth on STS-129.

Expedition 19 will include visits by two space shuttle missions that
will equip the station with the additional facilities needed to
support a six-person crew. Expedition 19 also will prepare the
station for the later arrival of Russian research modules and
additional docking ports.

Padalka commanded Expedition 26 on Mir in 1998 and 1999, and
Expedition 9 on the ISS in 2004. He was born in Krasnodar, Russia,
and graduated from Eisk Military Aviation College.

Barratt considers Camas, Wash., his hometown. He has a bachelor's from
the University of Washington, a master's from Wright State
University, Dayton, Ohio, and a doctorate of medicine from
Northwestern University.

Stott considers Clearwater, Fla., her hometown. She has a bachelor's
from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University and a master's from the
University of Central Florida.

Lonchakov flew as a mission specialist on STS-100 in 2001. Born in
Balkhash, Dzhezkazkansk Region, he graduated from the Orenburg Air
Force Pilot School and the Zhukovski Air Force Academy.

De Winne flew an 11-day mission as a flight engineer on a Soyuz
spacecraft to the International Space Station in 2002. He was born in
Ghent, Belgium, and graduated from the Royal School of Cadets. He has
a master's from the Royal Military Academy.

Thirsk flew on STS-78 in 1996. He was born in New Westminster, British
Columbia, and has a bachelor's from the University of Calgary,
masters' degrees from MIT and a doctorate of medicine from McGill
University.

Backup expedition crew assignments also have been made. A summary of
Expedition 19's assigned crews and backups are:

Gennady Padalka, Russian cosmonaut (Backup: Maxim Suraev)
Mike Barratt, NASA astronaut (Backup: Shannon Walker)
Timothy Kopra, NASA astronaut (Backup: Timothy J. Creamer)
Nicole Stott, NASA astronaut (Backup: Catherine Coleman)
Yuri Lonchakov, Russian cosmonaut (Backup: Dmitri Kondratyev)
Frank De Winne, ESA astronaut (Backup: Andre Kuipers)
Robert Thirsk, CSA Astronaut (Backup: Chris A. Hadfield)

Video of the STS-127 and Expedition 19 crew members will air on NASA
TV's Video File at 7 p.m. EST. For downlink and scheduling
information and links to streaming video, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

For complete astronaut biographical information, visit:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios

For more information about NASA's Space Shuttle Program, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/shuttle
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 02/11/2008 07:49 PM
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Thirsk also will serve as a flight engineer and will return to Earth on STS-129

At first they have planned to return him on Soyuz TMA-14 spacecraft... Now possibly Soyuz TMA-16 spacecraft will have the spaceflight participant...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 02/12/2008 05:35 PM
Speaking of Thirsk, were his eyes normal at first (picture 1), and then went cross-eyed (picture 2)?

The last picture (3) is the most recent, so maybe he had them recently surgically corrected??
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 02/12/2008 06:59 PM
So it will be 6 astronauts onboard STS 129 on the launch day and 7 on the landing day?
Or will they have an astronaut from expedition 20 with them to the station?

And will Souyz TMA 16 have the russian space flight participant instead of TMA 14 or is it a new participant seat?


Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 02/12/2008 07:30 PM
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OV-107 - 12/2/2008  10:59 PM

So it will be 6 astronauts onboard STS 129 on the launch day and 7 on the landing day?
Or will they have an astronaut from expedition 20 with them to the station?

I think there will be ISS crewmember rotation on STS-129... Possibly it will be Jeffrey Williams...

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OV-107 - 12/2/2008  10:59 PM

And will Souyz TMA 16 have the russian space flight participant instead of TMA 14 or is it a new participant seat?

New spaceflight participant, I think... That is why Thirsk will land on STS-129, instead of Soyuz TMA-14...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aquarius on 02/13/2008 11:42 AM
Thirsk looks like Luke Skywalker (especially in the 1st photo).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aquarius on 02/13/2008 04:00 PM
From the astronaut bios on the NASA website:
Janice Voss is back into active status, while Sunita Williams has become a management astronaut.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 02/13/2008 04:11 PM
Could someone possibly post a list of all the active astronauts please?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 02/13/2008 05:15 PM
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ShuttleDiscovery - 13/2/2008  6:11 PM

Could someone possibly post a list of all the active astronauts please?


look here:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio_activemgmt.html

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 02/13/2008 05:31 PM
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jacqmans - 13/2/2008  6:15 PM

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ShuttleDiscovery - 13/2/2008  6:11 PM

Could someone possibly post a list of all the active astronauts please?


look here:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio_activemgmt.html


Thanks!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 02/13/2008 05:39 PM
Could someone nice (anik ?) provide the downwards crew of Soyuz TMA-14 and 15 because I must confess I am a bit lost !!!

I am confused by the sentence :

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Lonchakov and De Winne will serve as flight engineers on the station and return on the Soyuz with Stott

 in the NASA release.

Are they talking about Soyuz TMA-14 or 15 ? are Lonchakov and De Winne coming back to Kazakhstan before or after Padalka and Garratt ?

Thanks !!!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 02/13/2008 07:01 PM
To hektor:

March 25 - Soyuz TMA-14 launch [Padalka, Barratt, SFP]
April 23 - STS-127 launch [Kopra]
May 8 - STS-127 landing [Wakata]
May 25 - Soyuz TMA-15 launch [Lonchakov, De Winne, Thirsk]
TBD - STS-128 launch [Stott]
TBD - STS-128 landing [Kopra]
September - Soyuz TMA-16 launch [R.Romanenko, Kornienko, SFP???]
September - Soyuz TMA-14 landing [Padalka, Barratt, SFP???]
TBD - STS-129 launch [J.Williams???]
TBD - STS-129 landing [Thirsk]
November - Soyuz TMA-17 launch [Suraev, Creamer, Noguchi]
November - Soyuz TMA-15 landing [Lonchakov, De Winne, Stott]

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anik - 12/2/2008  11:30 PM

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OV-107 - 12/2/2008  10:59 PM

And will Souyz TMA 16 have the russian space flight participant instead of TMA 14 or is it a new participant seat?

New spaceflight participant, I think... That is why Thirsk will land on STS-129, instead of Soyuz TMA-14...

I have misunderstood your question... The correct answer: Soyuz TMA-14 will have spaceflight participant from Space Adventures... Soyuz TMA-16 will possibly have spaceflight participant from Russia (Vladimir Gruzdev)... Due to possible including of Russian spaceflight participant into Soyuz TMA-16 crew, Thirsk will land on STS-129, instead of Soyuz TMA-14...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: cLg2323 on 02/14/2008 02:22 AM
The need for transparency is not only endemic to NASA; rather, anywhere a person works he or she will want transparency around hiring, career progression, and promotions.    The more scientific the business, or the greater the appeal of certain roles, the more analytical the employee becomes in this regard!!!  

Navigating in a global talent pool simply makes the processes of searching, hiring and correctly placing individuals even more intense - moreso, in for-profit, multi-national organizations, than in government-funded agencies.   I've worked in HR for over 16 years and spent 6 years in a very active Recruiting department for a Fortune 100 company.   Our team hired Ph.D.s, MBAs, and M.D.s - we had to help those in the Federal Government define the complexities around "definition of an applicant" in the absence of clear guidance from the OFCCP & EEOC, so that our company could avoid unfair market conditions that might put it at risk of unfounded accusations about not extending a good faith effort to hire up to certain quotas of protected groups (ethnic, etc.), where the market fell short of supply.  So, I guess, on a macro- level, this effort was our corporation's way of seeking transparency (i.e. asking the Government to clarify expectations of what we had to do to win in the war for talent), even though as recruiters, counselors and professionals we had to constantly keep criteria for selection confidential.   We were often walking our own delicate balance to prevent too much transparency!  For example, even as carefully documented as everything has to be, if one person's skill sets warranted our taking steps in order to compete in the marketplace by offering *additional* leverage, like a signing bonus, educational loans and scholarships, or specific job placement, compared to another person's package, we simply had to de-emphasize such entitlement to the non-receiver, explaining, "..sometimes other factors come into play," or including that ever-elusive phrase: "..depending on current business needs".

My question to this group, however, has more to do with NASA's culture with regard to management and prestige, *on the ground.*   If an astronaut's expertise were valued such that he or she attained a management position, but wanted to remain on the active roster to fly again and that astronaut is selected (perhaps for the last of several flights?), does he or she run the risk of forfeiting the leadership role, by agreeing to go up again?   Surely someone must maintain that position on the ground during the flight!    It is a curiosity to me because I would certainly hope that Dr. David A. Wolf's outstanding service record as Chief of the Astronaut EVA office would continue even after his own presumably excellent performance of EVAs and other critical tasks on the STS-127 mission, even at his young age of 52.   This is because ever since his previous missions, he has demonstrated his ability to enable others and inspire excellence during their own EVAs - some spacewalks even had to be planned on the fly, off the charts, such as going under the heat shield to pull shivs out of tiles!  

Of the six astronauts on STS-127, Dave appears the most relatively senior.   Reading his CV puts to rest any lack of transparency on NASA's part behind Dave's assignment to STS-127 because he joins only one other veteran, a Canadian who has had multiple missions, while the others in STS-127 are  four "rookies" (first time ever in space).   In fact, I'd feel safer with Dave as a crew member on that experimental aircraft we know as the Space Shuttle than as a passenger on most major, commercial airlines, as they have far "greener" crews, right up to the captains!!!   Leadership that strengthens, raises others up in the Astronaut corps is critical to the future of NASA.  (On a side note, as Chief, Dave continues to be arguably the busiest person I've ever known and I wish I had his stamina!)  :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 02/14/2008 11:23 AM
"broken record"

There is no logic to crew selection and nothing is guaranteed

Wolf's record isn't so peachy clean and hasn't been the "model" astronaut.  He was involved in a scandal earlier, in his career.   He volunteered for the MIR flight because that was the only way he was going to fly again (at the time)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: catfry on 02/14/2008 04:49 PM
Mark Polansky gets to fly very soon after his last flight doesn't he? I mean 2006 is not that long ago and surely there are other commander material waiting their turn?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 02/14/2008 05:15 PM
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catfry - 14/2/2008  5:49 PM

Mark Polansky gets to fly very soon after his last flight doesn't he? I mean 2006 is not that long ago and surely there are other commander material waiting their turn?

This is a confusing situation. Polansky has already been Commander on STS-116 - where as other Commanders selected for 124,126,119 were pilots on 121,115,115.

EDITED: I think he was selected again because Oefelein left and thus there was no PLT to continue the trend...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jeff Lerner on 02/14/2008 05:21 PM
Will Julie Payette get a spacewalk as part of STS-127 ?? I know she's listed as a MS but have any of her tasks been defined  as in Robotics operator, spacewalker ??, etc....

Similarly, wil Bob Thirsk get a chance for a spacewalk as part of his expedtiion ??
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skyrocket on 02/14/2008 06:34 PM
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ShuttleDiscovery - 14/2/2008  7:15 PM
I think he was selected again because he has only had 1 flight, because he never had a mission as PLT. If this hadn't been the case I reckon James Kelly (PLT 114) would have got the flight...

Nonsense - He certainly had a flight as PLT - on STS-98

BTW: The only Shuttle comander without orbital flight experience was Joe Engle on STS-2

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 02/14/2008 06:47 PM
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Skyrocket - 14/2/2008  7:34 PM

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ShuttleDiscovery - 14/2/2008  7:15 PM
I think he was selected again because he has only had 1 flight, because he never had a mission as PLT. If this hadn't been the case I reckon James Kelly (PLT 114) would have got the flight...

Nonsense - He certainly had a flight as PLT - on STS-98

BTW: The only Shuttle comander without orbital flight experience was Joe Engle on STS-2


Oh yeah! Sorry - completely slipped my mind!  :o
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: svenge on 02/15/2008 02:04 AM
And even Engle was CDR for the OV-101 ALT program...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 02/15/2008 04:55 AM
Plus a lot of X-15 flights and Apollo 14 backup duties...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 02/15/2008 07:28 AM
Janet Kavandi is now Deputy Director Flight Crew Operations,

she has been replaced by Sunita Williams as Deputy Chief Astronaut

Office.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 02/17/2008 04:43 PM
Mark is a really great commander and he deserves this.
I´m a little bit surprised that none of his colleagues from STS 116 is on STS 127.

I mean Walheim followed Frick, Fossum followed Kelly, Grunsfeld and Massimino followed Altman, Stefanyshyn-Piper followed Ferguson and Swanson followed Archambault.

It is indeed confusing that Jim Kelly is not assigned to command yet after having completed 2 flights as pilot.

A question, Has Jeff Ashby left nasa?
I haven´t heard anything about him for a long time.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 02/18/2008 09:10 PM
If you were to guess as to who would be selected as CDR on STS-128, who would get your vote?

Jim Kelly or Charlie Hobaugh
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 02/18/2008 09:23 PM
How come Rick Sturckow hasn't got another cdr position?  I really like him and what are yall's thoughts about STS-128's commander?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Davejfb on 02/18/2008 09:31 PM
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TJL - 18/2/2008  11:10 PM

If you were to guess as to who would be selected as CDR on STS-128, who would get your vote?

Jim Kelly or Charlie Hobaugh

Jim Kelly for sure.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 02/18/2008 09:44 PM
One could guess that; But I think they might be wrong.

D
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 02/19/2008 06:55 AM
If Kelly did get STS-128, would he be the first person to fly three MPLM flights?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: astropl on 02/19/2008 09:15 AM
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TJL - 18/2/2008  11:10 PM

If you were to guess as to who would be selected as CDR on STS-128, who would get your vote?

Jim Kelly or Charlie Hobaugh

I vote for Hobaugh. So... http://astro.zeto.czest.pl/loty/sts128.htm :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 02/19/2008 09:48 AM
I'd say either Hobaughg or Zamka.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 02/19/2008 07:05 PM
One of those is correct.

D
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 02/19/2008 07:53 PM
I have to go with Hobaugh on "128"
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 02/19/2008 07:55 PM
I want STS-128 to be James Kelly, but I think it will be Hobaugh because he seems to be next in line based on previous selections. :(

I hope I am wrong though! Kelly really deserves a flight in the CDR seat! It is almost as if NASA is ignoring STS-114 crew and reassigning astronauts from STS-121 onwards... :o
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 02/19/2008 09:06 PM
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ShuttleDiscovery - 19/2/2008  11:55 AM


I hope I am wrong though! Kelly really deserves a flight in the CDR seat! It is almost as if NASA is ignoring STS-114 crew and reassigning astronauts from STS-121 onwards... :o

Collins and Lawrence have left NASA, Thomas has flown 4 times, Robinson has flown 3 times and has been at CAPCOM and may or may not get another flight, Camarda is on assignment (not sure if he's still in engineering), Noguchi is assigned as Koichi Wakata's backup and will rotate to an Expedition crew and Kelly is Chief of the CAPCOM Branch and is likely not being "ignored".
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 02/19/2008 09:10 PM
You're right Dwight. I just hope he gets chosen though!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 02/19/2008 09:32 PM
Kelly has also said that he'd rather be assigned to an early Orion-mission than fly as CDR on the shuttle.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DaveJ576 on 02/19/2008 09:43 PM
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ShuttleDiscovery - 13/2/2008  12:31 PM

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jacqmans - 13/2/2008  6:15 PM

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ShuttleDiscovery - 13/2/2008  6:11 PM

Could someone possibly post a list of all the active astronauts please?


look here:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio_activemgmt.html


Thanks!

I'm getting into this a little late, but going off the list above, my vote is for Vance Brand! Let's get him back in the left seat!! Also, isn't Gordon Fullerton still in flight test out at Dryden?

Dave
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DaveJ576 on 02/19/2008 09:48 PM
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DaveJ576 - 19/2/2008  4:43 PM

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ShuttleDiscovery - 13/2/2008  12:31 PM

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jacqmans - 13/2/2008  6:15 PM

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ShuttleDiscovery - 13/2/2008  6:11 PM

Could someone possibly post a list of all the active astronauts please?


look here:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio_activemgmt.html


Thanks!

I'm getting into this a little late, but going off the list above, my vote is for Vance Brand! Let's get him back in the left seat!! Also, isn't Gordon Fullerton still in flight test out at Dryden?

Dave

Whoops! I answered my own question. Fullerton retired two months ago. Great guy. He has earned his retirement.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 02/19/2008 10:30 PM
I also have to vote for Charlie Hobaugh as mission commander for 128.

Maybe Steve Robinson can be of current interest as EV lead for STS 128? They will fly MPLM Donatello and he has flown with MPLM Raffaelo, the Spacehab Module and is experienced as an EV lead, as a payload commander and have served as an ISS backup FE.

If the rumours about an ESA astronaut on 128 is correct I put my money on Christer Fuglesang. But right now it is completely silence from ESA about any future shuttle flight assignments. Maybe they will have Schlegel home safe first.

I don´t think Jim Kelly is ignored. But if he hasn´t flown as a shuttle CDR before the program is ending 2010 I doubt he will be the opening Orion CDR.
I guess that place is more likely going to an experienced astronaut like Scott Kelly or Rick Sturckow for example.

Vance Brand would be good but John Young would be the best (I know he has retired but nevertheless...)












Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 02/20/2008 06:56 AM
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TJL - 18/2/2008  11:10 PM

If you were to guess as to who would be selected as CDR on STS-128, who would get your vote?

Jim Kelly or Charlie Hobaugh

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Davejfb - 18/2/2008  11:31 PM

Jim Kelly for sure.

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dcfowler1 - 18/2/2008  11:44 PM

One could guess that; But I think they might be wrong.

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kimmern123 - 19/2/2008  11:48 AM

I'd say either Hobaughg or Zamka.

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dcfowler1 - 19/2/2008  9:05 PM

One of those is correct.
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OK -- now let's apply some logic to this. What did Sherlock Holmes say? What is wrong cannot be right. No, wait -- whatever ...

If one could think that it is Kelly, one could be wrong. That would mean it could be Hobaugh. If it's either Hobaugh or Zamka, than it is not Kelly and because it is not Kelly it could be Hobaugh or Obama. Well -- or maybe Hillary?

Gosh -- that's a tough one, folks!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 02/20/2008 07:04 PM
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I'm getting into this a little late, but going off the list above, my vote is for Vance Brand! Let's get him back in the left seat!! Also, isn't Gordon Fullerton still in flight test out at Dryden?

Dave

Some of the Astronauts listed on that site have left the Astronaut Corps, but still hold management positions in NASA. Brand is one of them, having not been in the Astronaut Office since the early 90's...he probably hasn't been in a Shuttle simulator, STA or T-38 since then, so odds are...no.

Some others on that site who are completely out of the Astronaut Corps are Paul Lockhart, Bryan O'Connor, Steve Nagel and Michael Coats (the current JSC Director).

Someone mentioned Sturckow as CDR...I'd vote for him and Pam Melroy as CDR's on the final two flights (STS 132 and 133 respectively). 128 - 131 I think should be flown by first time CDR's. I think STS-127 ended up with a veteran CDR (Polansky) only due to the somewhat high-profile nature of the final Japanese component going up.

I wouldn't rule Steve Robinson out from a future flight either if Dave Wolf is getting a fourth mission.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 02/21/2008 07:24 AM
"I think STS-127 ended up with a veteran CDR (Polansky) only due to the somewhat high-profile nature of the final Japanese component going up."

And yet the highest-profile Japanese mission of all - the PM - will be led by a first-time CDR (Kelly)? Similarly, Columbus is the highest-profile European mission and was also led by a first-time CDR( Frick). I'm slowing coming round to Jim's reasoning that there really is no logic in the crew selection process...or at least a logic that we are not privy to.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 02/21/2008 12:05 PM
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Ben E - 21/2/2008  9:24 AM
I'm slowing coming round to Jim's reasoning that there really is no logic in the crew selection process...or at least a logic that we are not privy to.
Welcome to the club -- I've already joined ...  ;)

Except for Schlegel on STS-122 and Thiele on STS-99, of course!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 02/21/2008 12:11 PM
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Ben E - 21/2/2008  3:24 AM

"I think STS-127 ended up with a veteran CDR (Polansky) only due to the somewhat high-profile nature of the final Japanese component going up."

And yet the highest-profile Japanese mission of all - the PM - will be led by a first-time CDR (Kelly)? Similarly, Columbus is the highest-profile European mission and was also led by a first-time CDR( Frick). I'm slowing coming round to Jim's reasoning that there really is no logic in the crew selection process...or at least a logic that we are not privy to.

That can be explained by a lack of veteran CDR's who were continuing to fly. Post-Columbia, we saw Polansky move up from 117's PLT to 116's CDR (116's CDR stepped down), Melroy take 120 (last in line from the 1995 group to fly as CDR) and then Frick...it was either assign him again as PLT and crowd up a seat that could go to one of the PLT's from 1998 or 2000, or, fly him on his next mission as CDR. Collins left, Jett was still around but at the "4 flight" mark, and Lindsey was Office Chief...so, for 122 it's assign Polansky or let Frick wait longer for a flight.

I suppose veteran Dominic Gorie could have landed either 122, or 124 by my logic, but 123 has enough going on.

The only anomaly I saw with 124 was Mark Kelly landing it versus Jim Kelly...but that's been covered enough here.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Riley1066 on 02/23/2008 12:02 AM
Its a shame that Joan Higginbotham left NASA too.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 02/26/2008 09:06 PM
Did anyone catch Mike Griffin saying Pam might have another flight assignment coming up? Was this just him commenting on Pam's wish to fly again, or is she actually in the pipeline for another flight??
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 02/26/2008 09:43 PM
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kimmern123 - 26/2/2008  1:06 PM

Did anyone catch Mike Griffin saying Pam might have another flight assignment coming up? Was this just him commenting on Pam's wish to fly again, or is she actually in the pipeline for another flight??

Reading the last part of this article might shed some light.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080226/NEWS01/802260326/1002/NEWS


Edit to state that I'm unaware of the comments by Mr. Griffin that you're referring to, but the article is recent.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 02/26/2008 09:51 PM
I forgot to mention he said it today when he introduced Pam at the STS-120 crew presentation at Heaadquarters. I'm not sure what to make of Pam's reaction to the remark.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 02/26/2008 10:03 PM
Ah, ok.  I missed the beginning of that program.  I'm sure it'll be up at http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org before long.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 02/26/2008 10:14 PM
Already up ;) It was a great presentation, especially the "blooper" video.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 02/27/2008 12:31 PM
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nethegauner - 21/2/2008  1:05 PM

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Ben E - 21/2/2008  9:24 AM
I'm slowing coming round to Jim's reasoning that there really is no logic in the crew selection process...or at least a logic that we are not privy to.
Welcome to the club -- I've already joined ...  ;)

I’m currently reading Mike Mullane’s “Riding Rockets” and only now do I truly understand. As other reviewers have noted, the book contains some great stuff about George Abbey and the whole flight crew assignment process. Okay, so most of it relates back to the 1980s but given the results of the recent astronaut health survey (which highlighted the lack of transparency in the crew assignment process and deficiencies in individual performance feedback) it seems that little has changed in over 20 years!
A great book by the way; I wish I’d read it earlier!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: fdasun on 02/28/2008 06:44 AM
Will Catherine Coleman get another flight ? Her last flight (STS-93) happened nine years ago.

She deserves an ISS assembly flight (Her experience in operating robotic arms may be helpful for the mission); Or probably she could be included in an long-term expedition team? If I remembered correctly, she had participated NEMO.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 02/28/2008 07:20 AM
I think Coleman is a backup expedition crew member for one of the flights next year, so I'd expect her to fly an expedition in 2010-2011. As for her experience with RMS, I wasn't aware she'd done RMS ops on her missions - her first mission was a Spacelab and her second an IUS deploy. I could be wrong, though, but I agree she more than deserves another flight.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 02/28/2008 08:15 PM
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Ben E - 28/2/2008  3:20 AM

I think Coleman is a backup expedition crew member for one of the flights next year, so I'd expect her to fly an expedition in 2010-2011. As for her experience with RMS, I wasn't aware she'd done RMS ops on her missions - her first mission was a Spacelab and her second an IUS deploy. I could be wrong, though, but I agree she more than deserves another flight.

Despite not having flown on an RMS flight, she is the Astronaut Office robotics lead (or will be until her ISS training kicks into full gear). I recall reading that she helped work out some of the ad-hoc robotics work for STS-120 (to get Parazynski all the way out on that arm).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 03/01/2008 11:17 AM
Dave Williams of Canada is leaving the Astronaut Corp of CSA.
Sorry, I think he was in line for a long duration mission on ISS.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 03/01/2008 11:26 AM
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faustod - 1/3/2008  12:17 PM

Dave Williams of Canada is leaving the Astronaut Corp of CSA.
Sorry, I think he was in line for a long duration mission on ISS.

You may be mistaken for CSA Astronaut Robert Thirsk?  :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 03/01/2008 11:40 AM
I thought D. Williams was in line after Thirsk and Hadfield.

From an article on this Web Site (April 24,2007)

"A few, perhaps, to keep an eye on for possible future long- duration missions could include: Canadians Dave Williams and  Soyuz-qualified Chris Hadfield, together with NASA astronauts
Nick Patrick, John 'Danny' Olivas, Tom Marshburn, Bob Behnken, Catherine 'Cady' Coleman, Doug Wheelock and Rex  Walheim."
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/01/2008 01:35 PM
That was actually my article. It was only a suggestion, based on Williams' previous NEEMO experience. Shame to see him leave.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 03/01/2008 01:41 PM
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faustod - 1/3/2008  1:40 PM

I thought D. Williams was in line after Thirsk and Hadfield.

From an article on this Web Site (April 24,2007)

"A few, perhaps, to keep an eye on for possible future long- duration missions could include: Canadians Dave Williams and  Soyuz-qualified Chris Hadfield, together with NASA astronauts
Nick Patrick, John 'Danny' Olivas, Tom Marshburn, Bob Behnken, Catherine 'Cady' Coleman, Doug Wheelock and Rex  Walheim."

I thought so to. Maybe Steve MacLean will have a long flight?
Bjarni Tryggvason must be to old for that.
I wonder if there will be a new astronaut selection in canada in a near future? They are only 5 astronauts now.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: MATTBLAK on 03/02/2008 02:40 AM

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Riley1066 - 23/2/2008 12:02 PM Its a shame that Joan Higginbotham left NASA too.

Aw, no!! Joan is one of my favorites. She had another mission lined up (STS-126) after all those years of waiting for her first flight, but she's now left to pursue "private industry" opportunities? Must have been some offer to make her give up a guaranteed second flight!

If I were an Astronaut, I'd want to fly at least two missions to make all those years of training and waiting worth it before moving on from what is essentially a calling, as well as a profession. I hope Barbara Morgan can get one more mission, though I'm not holding my breath.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/02/2008 02:35 PM
Perhaps that single mission was enough. Dom Gorie said in an interview that after so many years in training, the first orbit around the Earth alone made it worth it.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: astronut7 on 03/02/2008 10:37 PM
It is good to see Dom Gorie and Scott Altman getting their fourth flight on the shuttle.  I just hope that Jeff Ashby and Pam Melroy both get a fourth flight on the shuttle as well.  Jeff Ashby did make a comment on CNN news during the STS-114 launch coverage that he hopes he can get another flight on the shuttle before it is retired. I think both Pam and Jeff are very deserving of another flight.  I also hope that Jim Kelly gets another shuttle flight before the end of the program.  Good question is will Greg Johnson, Ken Ham, Alan Poindexter, George Zamka, Greg Johnson, Steve Frick get another flight??  Will any pilots from group-19 get flights(Bresnik,Dutton)??  Also, noticed that Ron Garan(pilot astronaut) is  flying on STS-124 as MS-2.  Will he even be able to get back into rotation for a pilot slot??  I don't think Barbara Morgan will get another flight, but I could be very wrong.  I look forward to Lee Morin, Tracy Caldwell and some other veteran MS's to get another slot on future flights as well.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 03/03/2008 03:12 AM
It seems pretty clear that the last three flights may end up with a few veteran MS's.

Remaining missions with no flight crews: 6.
Remaining unassigned rookies in the astronaut office: 13 (15 if you count two of the 2004 JAXA selectees).

Of those 13 two are assigned as ISS backups (Creamer and Walker) and likely to land prime-crew ISS assignments.

Still looks good for the rookies, and some some vets to land one more flight.

Given that six flights are still crewless, and there are five unassigned PLT's (Virts, Wilmore, Ford, Dutton and Bresnik), I guess Garan will land a PLT slot on one of the last flights after STS 124.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/03/2008 06:56 AM
Also makes you wonder if they really NEED to fly Bresnik and Dutton as PLTs, since there'll be no future commands to promote them to. If we assume Orion will be similar to Soyuz, in that MS-qualified crew members can command, the need for PLT experience to command an Orion mission is no longer there. I think maybe Bresnik and Dutton will get MS2 slots and perhaps Garan, Boe and Antonelli will get second shots at the PLT's seat.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 03/03/2008 10:49 AM
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Ben E - 3/3/2008  2:56 AM

 If we assume Orion will be similar to Soyuz, in that MS-qualified crew members can command, the need for PLT experience to command an Orion mission is no longer there..

I wouldn't make take assumption.  The "rated" astronaut contingent has some "political" pull with in the office
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 03/04/2008 10:13 PM
My 2 cent predictions:

STS-128: Hobaugh; STS-129: Sturckow; STS-130: Zamka, with Ford/Virts/Wilmore (not necessarily in that order) filling the pilot slots.

STS-131,132,133: Frick, Poindexter, G.H. Johnson, not necessarily in that order; Garan on STS-131 as pilot; Ham as STS-132 pilot, G.C. Johnson as STS-133 pilot.

Fuglesang on STS-128. Additional Shuttle flights for Robinson, Patrick, Olivas, Caldwell, Drew, Wheelock, Nespoli, Love, Melvin, Sellers, Foreman. Possible Shuttle flight for Mastracchio, Forrester, Wilson, Morgan, Hire, Morin, Behnken, Nyberg, Massimino, Good, Feustel, M. McArthur, Bowen, Kimbrough, Anderson, Burbank if he returns to active duty. (Some of these, however, are likely to be assigned as ISS crewmembers instead of another Shuttle flight.)

Rookies: Bresnick, Dutton as MS; Hernandez, Metcalf, Satcher.

Furokawa, Yamazaki as ISS FEs.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/05/2008 07:12 AM
Imagine the chaos at Mission Control if they assigned Greg H. (Box) as CDR and Greg C. (Rayjay) as PLT on STS-133!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 03/05/2008 07:56 AM
Very good predictions.

I have a little doubt about Sturckow to reflight, and perhaps Bresnick  and Dutton as MS instead of pilots (replacing Ham and G.C.Johnson).  

Okay for Furukawa and Yamazaki as ISS FEs (with Soyuz).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: MATTBLAK on 03/05/2008 08:47 AM
What I'm really interested in is who will eventually command the very final Shuttle mission!!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/05/2008 06:38 PM
Odds are it'll be an all-veteran crew, purely because most of the unflown astronauts are assigned and most likely will all have flown by the end of 2009. I'd guess Greg C. Johnson as CDR. He deserves a command and will be well into his sixties by the time Orion flies.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: stefan1138 on 03/05/2008 06:45 PM
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MATTBLAK - 1/3/2008  9:40 PM

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Riley1066 - 23/2/2008 12:02 PM Its a shame that Joan Higginbotham left NASA too.

Aw, no!! Joan is one of my favorites. She had another mission lined up (STS-126) after all those years of waiting for her first flight, but she's now left to pursue "private industry" opportunities? Must have been some offer to make her give up a guaranteed second flight!

If I were an Astronaut, I'd want to fly at least two missions to make all those years of training and waiting worth it before moving on from what is essentially a calling, as well as a profession. I hope Barbara Morgan can get one more mission, though I'm not holding my breath.


In this context has there ever been one astronaut who did not like the experience of space flight and therefore opted to resign (maybe because of space sickness or because of feeling uncomfortable). This thought just came to my mind and I am not sure if this has been discussed before. According to the Mullane book several PS Astros had a hard time on their flight...

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 03/05/2008 08:15 PM
If I were a betting man, I'd say Gregory H. "Box" Johnson will command STS-133, with Gregory C. "Ray Jay" Johnson as Pilot.  I think the order of the Class of 1998 commanding flights will follow the order of their first flight as pilot, and there just aren't enough flights left for Ray Jay or Ken Ham to command (unless both Sturckow and Frick are by-passed for another flight or decide not to fly).

The Johnson & Johnson flight.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: texas_space on 03/06/2008 01:34 AM
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Jim - 3/3/2008  5:49 AM

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Ben E - 3/3/2008  2:56 AM

 If we assume Orion will be similar to Soyuz, in that MS-qualified crew members can command, the need for PLT experience to command an Orion mission is no longer there..

I wouldn't make take assumption.  The "rated" astronaut contingent has some "political" pull with in the office

I agree with Jim.  I doubt the pilot astronauts are going to let MSs command/pilot missions.  They have experience that few of the standard mission specialists will have.  If I was flying on a lunar mission, I'd certainly want to have an AF/USN/USMC pilot at the controls.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: SpaceUSMC on 03/06/2008 06:46 AM
I'm glad to see that Chris Cassidy is getting a flight. Got to love Navy SEALs.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: bothwell on 03/06/2008 10:14 AM
It is unlikely that Steve Frick will fly in space again: www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_555753.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 03/06/2008 04:33 PM
With Frick out of the equation, I predict Ken Ham now as STS-133 CDR.

I'll go out on a limb and make predictions for the CDR/PLT assignments for STS 128 - 133:

STS-128: Hobaugh/Virts

STS-129: Sturckow/ Ford

STS-130: Zamka/ Wilmore

STS-131: Poindexter/ Garan

STS-132: G.H. Johnson/ G.C. Johnson

STS-133: Ham/ Boe

We'll see how it turns out.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/06/2008 11:21 PM
My money's on:

128: Hobaugh/Virts
129: Zamka/Ford
130: Poindexter/Wilmore
131: G.H.Johnson/Garan
132: Ham/Boe
133: G.C.Johnson/Antonelli

with Bresnik and Dutton flying as MS2s

Frick's comments are interesting. Yes, I agree that anyone is immensely 'lucky' to get one flight, much less two, but when one considers that just a few years ago astronauts were flying up to six times in their careers, it's a sad state of affairs that the flight opportunities simply aren't there anymore.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TALsite on 03/07/2008 12:36 PM
I love this game...

My money is on:
128: Hobaugh/Virts         ¿Bresnick-MS2?
129: Zamka/Ford
130: Poindexter/Wilmore
131: G.H.Johnson/ G.C.Johnson
132: Ham/Garan
133: Melroy/Bresnick

With Dutton also flying as MS2.

-I choose  G.C. Johnson as PLT again, for his first flight to the ISS (different training and procedures than flying to HST?).
And J&J sounds good!  :)

-Melroy for the last flight, with Bresnik on his second flight, as PLT.  

Regards
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 03/08/2008 03:48 AM
Normally, I would have included Pam Melroy as a "cinch" to command another Shuttle mission. However, during a recent post-flight interview, she seemed to downplay the idea, stating she was "tired" and wanted to take a break.

On the other hand, I'm sure NASA sees her as a PR asset. She has a unique combination of appearing every bit the "cool, competent commander" while exuding a more personal touch than your average male fighter jock. She brings a refreshing "female touch" to the notion of being a spacecraft commander, without sacrificing any ounce of appearance of confidence and competence. NASA might want to showcase her one more time, and maybe she just might relent. We'll have to wait and see.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see her become Chief of the Astronaut Office should Steve Lindsey decide to move on in the near future.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/08/2008 08:08 AM
TALSite,

I don't think a Hubble mission would necessarily preclude G.C.Johnson from an ISS command. After all, Scott Kelly flew a Hubble mission, then an ISS command.

Pity they can't add a couple of extra ULFs - I would love to see Sturckow and Melroy get fourth flights!

Also makes me wonder who the next Astronaut Office chief will be. Since Lindsey is Group 15, Rominger was Group 14 and Precourt was Group 13, I wonder if a Group 16er will be the next one? Do they have to be active military? If they don't, I would go for Polansky.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TALsite on 03/08/2008 12:13 PM
BenE
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I don't think a Hubble mission would necessarily preclude G.C.Johnson from an ISS command. After all, Scott Kelly flew a Hubble mission, then an ISS command.


Yes, you're absolutely right....
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 03/08/2008 02:48 PM
Here's my prediction for STS-128 & 129:

STS-128:

CDR: Charles Hobaugh
PLT: Terry Virts
MS: Steve Robinson
MS: Christer Fuglesang
MS: Tracey Caldwell
MS: Randy Bresnick
MS: Nicole Stott (up)
MS: Timothy Kopra (down)

STS-129:

CDR: Frederick Sturckow
PLT: Kevin Ford
MS: Nicholas Patrick
MS: Danny Olivas
MS: Jose Hernandez
MS: Robert Satcher
MS: Jeffrey Williams (up)
MS: Robert Thirsk (down)

We'll see how close this comes!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 03/08/2008 03:43 PM
I'll go one step further and make a prediction for STS-130:

CDR: George Zamka
PLT: Butch Wilmore
MS: Piers Sellers
MS: Alvin Drew
MS: James Dutton
MS: Dorothy Metcalf-Lindenburger

Possibly a fifth MS, either an up/down ISS crewmember exchange, or simply a 5th MS (Leland Melvin or Stan love?).

Now all I need is Steve Lindsey's E-mail address, and I'm golden!  :cool:
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: BigRIJoe on 03/08/2008 03:58 PM
Lee Morin?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 03/08/2008 04:32 PM
I think Morin is pretty much involved with the design of the Orion spacecraft at this point. However, once the design is finalized, it's possible he could get another Shuttle flight assignment. He's probably too old to wait around for a Orion mission. Another possibility is ISS expedition assignment.

I also predict Doug Wheelock will fly an ISS increment as the next step in his career. He's undergone Soyuz FE  training, during the year he spent as NASA Director of Operations at Gagarin, and I believe is certified as a Soyuz Return Commander.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/08/2008 08:27 PM
Delta7, your STS-128 suggestion is exactly what I was thinking. I personally don't see Sturckow or Melroy on a future Shuttle mission; rather than all of the Group 17ers will get a command. I think also that Patrick, Olivas and perhaps Drew will get expeditions.

Out of curiosity, what's happening after STS-128 with regards to crew size? Nicole Stott is the last ISS crew member to fly uphill on the Shuttle, so will NASA opt for a seventh crew member, a la Drew on STS-118, or simply stick to crews of six after STS-128? There must be some crew-loading documentation available on these flights by now?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 03/08/2008 08:48 PM
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Ben E - 8/3/2008  3:27 PM

Out of curiosity, what's happening after STS-128 with regards to crew size? Nicole Stott is the last ISS crew member to fly uphill on the Shuttle, so will NASA opt for a seventh crew member, a la Drew on STS-118, or simply stick to crews of six after STS-128? There must be some crew-loading documentation available on these flights by now?

Most likely, only flights that are performance-constrained will carry less than seven. STS-132/ISS-20A (Node 3, Cupola) may be the only flight in that category.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 03/08/2008 09:10 PM
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Ben E - 8/3/2008  3:27 PM
Out of curiosity, what's happening after STS-128 with regards to crew size? Nicole Stott is the last ISS crew member to fly uphill on the Shuttle, so will NASA opt for a seventh crew member, a la Drew on STS-118, or simply stick to crews of six after STS-128? There must be some crew-loading documentation available on these flights by now?

It's not confirmed, but I've read that Jeff Williams is now scheduled to be launched on STS-129 instead of Soyuz TMA-16 (To begin his tour as Expedition 20 CDR). Supposedly, Bob Thirsk will now return on STS-129, instead of a Soyuz. I guess the Russians don't want to give up those lucrative Space Tourist dollars (although I'm not sure how they compare to what we're paying them for each Soyuz seat).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 03/08/2008 09:42 PM
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Ben E - 8/3/2008  9:27 PM

Out of curiosity, what's happening after STS-128 with regards to crew size? Nicole Stott is the last ISS crew member to fly uphill on the Shuttle, so will NASA opt for a seventh crew member, a la Drew on STS-118, or simply stick to crews of six after STS-128? There must be some crew-loading documentation available on these flights by now?

I would be surprised if they didn't go for 7 crew members as they want to get as many people flown ASAP due to lack of seats on Orion...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 03/08/2008 09:59 PM
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ShuttleDiscovery - 8/3/2008  5:42 PM


I would be surprised if they didn't go for 7 crew members as they want to get as many people flown ASAP due to lack of seats on Orion...

Who says they want to
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: MKremer on 03/08/2008 10:01 PM
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Ben E - 8/3/2008  9:27 PM

Out of curiosity, what's happening after STS-128 with regards to crew size? Nicole Stott is the last ISS crew member to fly uphill on the Shuttle, so will NASA opt for a seventh crew member, a la Drew on STS-118, or simply stick to crews of six after STS-128? There must be some crew-loading documentation available on these flights by now?

I would be surprised if they didn't go for 7 crew members as they want to get as many people flown ASAP due to lack of seats on Orion...

As far as "they want to get as many people flown ASAP due to lack of seats on Orion" being a reason for more than 6 is just silly to risk more than a mission requires just to allow extra people on board to launch and land.

They should only select enough crew for each mission that can accomplish the mission requirements, regardless of who in the current astronaut corps has or hasn't flown yet.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 03/08/2008 10:05 PM
I think the rationale for 7 crewmembers would be to have as many hands as possible, in order to get things done according to the time-line. These missions are complex and jam-packed to the last hour and minute. They'd probably send up 10 if they could.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 03/08/2008 10:28 PM
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Delta7 - 8/3/2008  6:05 PM

I think the rationale for 7 crewmembers would be to have as many hands as possible, in order to get things done according to the time-line. These missions are complex and jam-packed to the last hour and minute. They'd probably send up 10 if they could.

That is not a valid reason.  An extra person costs over 450lbs of payload
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/09/2008 12:04 AM
Wasn't that the reason for Drew being added to STS-118 - to provide and extra 'pair of hands'? Obviously, his 450 lb of payload was balanced out by the needs of a heavy logistics flight.

Also, does STS-132/Node-3 have the same loading as STS-120/Node-2? If it does, or similar, then STS-120 managed to fly a 7-up/7-down complement. Is there another reason why STS-132 couldn't support a 7-member crew?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: The-Hammer on 03/09/2008 12:20 AM
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Ben E - 8/3/2008  8:04 PM

Wasn't that the reason for Drew being added to STS-118 - to provide and extra 'pair of hands'? Obviously, his 450 lb of payload was balanced out by the needs of a heavy logistics flight.

Also, does STS-132/Node-3 have the same loading as STS-120/Node-2? If it does, or similar, then STS-120 managed to fly a 7-up/7-down complement. Is there another reason why STS-132 couldn't support a 7-member crew?

STS-132 will also (hopefully) have the cupola. Something like an extra 2000kg of payload.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 03/09/2008 01:27 AM
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Delta7 - 8/3/2008  6:05 PM

I think the rationale for 7 crewmembers would be to have as many hands as possible, in order to get things done according to the time-line. These missions are complex and jam-packed to the last hour and minute. They'd probably send up 10 if they could.

That is not a valid reason.  An extra person costs over 450lbs of payload

It's been a valid reason all along, at least in the view of NASA. Standard shuttle crews have gone from the original one or two Mission Specialist /Payload Specialist that were anticipated early on in the program, to 3, 4 and 5. NASA seems willing and ready to fill every seat when space and load permit.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 03/09/2008 01:57 AM
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Delta7 - 8/3/2008  6:05 PM

I think the rationale for 7 crewmembers would be to have as many hands as possible, in order to get things done according to the time-line. These missions are complex and jam-packed to the last hour and minute. They'd probably send up 10 if they could.

That is not a valid reason.  An extra person costs over 450lbs of payload

It's been a valid reason all along, at least in the view of NASA. Standard shuttle crews have gone from the original one or two Mission Specialist /Payload Specialist that were anticipated early on in the program, to 3, 4 and 5. NASA seems willing and ready to fill every seat when space and load permit.

And your source is?  Do you speak for NASA?

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 03/09/2008 02:15 AM
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Delta7 - 8/3/2008  6:05 PM

I think the rationale for 7 crewmembers would be to have as many hands as possible, in order to get things done according to the time-line. These missions are complex and jam-packed to the last hour and minute. They'd probably send up 10 if they could.

That is not a valid reason.  An extra person costs over 450lbs of payload

It's been a valid reason all along, at least in the view of NASA. Standard shuttle crews have gone from the original one or two Mission Specialist /Payload Specialist that were anticipated early on in the program, to 3, 4 and 5. NASA seems willing and ready to fill every seat when space and load permit.

And your source is?  Do you speak for NASA?


Not trying to argue with you here, just pointing out the evidence that NASA likes to fill shuttle seats whenever it can. I'll bet that they will continue to do so right up until the last mission. Sorry if that opinion offends you.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 03/09/2008 02:20 AM
You are interpreting the "evidence" wrong.  Only crew rotations include 7
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 03/09/2008 02:48 AM
We shall see when the remaining shuttle flight crew assignments come out over the next year/year-and-a-half.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/09/2008 08:03 AM
I remember reading somewhere that the baseline plans for missions are laid 18-24 months before launch. As a result, the plans for next year's missions and possibly some of those planned for 2010 must be in place by now. Surely those plans must have a clear idea of crew-loading requirements?

After all, Al Drew's assignment to STS-118 didn't represent an "oh shit, we haven't got enough crew members to handle logistics" moment, but rather a "we need a new 7th crew member to replace the expedition crew member who was originally assigned" moment.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 03/09/2008 12:02 PM
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Delta7 - 8/3/2008  10:48 PM

We shall see when the remaining shuttle flight crew assignments come out over the next year/year-and-a-half.

Listen to what I am saying.  Non crew rotation missions do not have 7 crew members.  
I don't need something as trivial as PAO announcement with names of people when the flight documentation says 5 or 6 crewmembers.  When the mission is planned for 6 crew members, you will only see 6 crew assignments.

read a little first.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/09/2008 12:09 PM
7 crew members (Kelly, Ham, Nyberg, Garan, Fossum, Hoshide and Bowen) were originally assigned to STS-124, which was originally a non-rotating mission.

All I was asking was that, by now, the crew-loading for STS-128 and possibly a few others should have been baselined. Are we to assume, therefore, if there are no more rotating missions after STS-128 that 129 and beyond will all have crews of 5-6?

This is an open forum, Jim. There's little enough enthusiasm for spaceflight out there, without ridiculing members' questions.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 03/09/2008 12:13 PM
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Ben E - 9/3/2008  9:09 AM

7 crew members (Kelly, Ham, Nyberg, Garan, Fossum, Hoshide and Bowen) were originally assigned to STS-124, which was originally a non-rotating mission.

All I was asking was that, by now, the crew-loading for STS-128 and possibly a few others should have been baselined. Are we to assume, therefore, if there are no more rotating missions after STS-128 that 129 and beyond will all have crews of 5-6?

This is an open forum, Jim. There's little enough enthusiasm for spaceflight out there, without ridiculing members' questions.

I wasn't ridiculing any question, I said his assumption was wrong

And I looked at the flight documentation.  i.e "Non crew rotation missions do not have 7 crew members. "

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 03/09/2008 01:55 PM
QUOTE:   "It's not confirmed, but I've read that Jeff Williams is now scheduled to be launched on STS-129 instead of Soyuz TMA-16 (To begin his tour as Expedition 20 CDR).

What would be the reason of launching Williams on the shuttle?
Wouldn't NASA be paying for Williams seat on Soyuz?
Will Russia still be sending "space participants" to ISS during the more intense 6 person increments?
Thank you.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 03/09/2008 02:22 PM
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TJL - 9/3/2008  9:55 AM

QUOTE:   "It's not confirmed, but I've read that Jeff Williams is now scheduled to be launched on STS-129 instead of Soyuz TMA-16 (To begin his tour as Expedition 20 CDR).

What would be the reason of launching Williams on the shuttle?
Wouldn't NASA be paying for Williams seat on Soyuz?
Will Russia still be sending "space participants" to ISS during the more intense 6 person increments?
Thank you.

The only reason I can think for launching Williams on the Shuttle instead of Soyuz is to open up a seat for a spaceflight participant. It's possible that the Russians make more money off the seat that way, but I'm only guessing. (Or that the money goes into "different hands", if you get my drift.)

When Shuttles are docked during a 6-crew increment, there will be as many as 13 (Thirteen; 6 + 7!) crewmembers for a short period, so I don't think the tourist as a 7th crew member will be an issue.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/09/2008 02:47 PM
If Williams is going up on STS-129, won't that be during (but not at the end of) the Expedition-19 increment (July/August 2009)? If that's the case, won't Padalka still be in command? If that's the case, will Williams start off as a flight engineer from July-October and then take command in October when Padalka goes home?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Olaf on 03/09/2008 09:59 PM
Russia has in autumn 2009 to launch a "special" flight participant, the member of the Russian parliament Wladimir Gruzdev. That´s why, I think, they need the third seat in this Soyuz.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 03/10/2008 12:05 AM
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Ben E - 9/3/2008  11:47 AM

If Williams is going up on STS-129, won't that be during (but not at the end of) the Expedition-19 increment (July/August 2009)? If that's the case, won't Padalka still be in command? If that's the case, will Williams start off as a flight engineer from July-October and then take command in October when Padalka goes home?

If it lunches on time, yes. However, this rotation would see Williams replace Nicole Stott. This would make him a Flight Engineer, not an ISS commander.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/10/2008 07:16 AM
Unusual scenario, then. I can see a film title: The American Who Went Up As A Flight Engineer and Came Down as a Commander!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 03/10/2008 04:46 PM
The replacement of Ko San by Yi Soyeon ,South Korean partecipants, for the next Soyuz flight, comes as an amazing news.
Congratulations to Yi Soyeon, sorry for Ko San.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/10/2008 06:23 PM
Am I right in thinking this makes South Korea the second nation after Great Britain to have a woman as its first national in space?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 03/10/2008 06:28 PM
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Ben E - 10/3/2008  8:23 PM

Am I right in thinking this makes South Korea the second nation after Great Britain to have a woman as its first national in space?

Yes, I believe it is... :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 03/10/2008 08:37 PM
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Ben E - 10/3/2008  2:23 PM

Am I right in thinking this makes South Korea the second nation after Great Britain to have a woman as its first national in space?

I remember that Indonesia in 1986 was very near to this goal.
Unfortunately the shuttle flight of Pratiwi Sudarmono was cancelled after
the Challenger disaster.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 03/10/2008 11:58 PM
Indirectly, Anousheh Ansari, although a naturalized U.S. citizen, was the first Iranian in space.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 03/11/2008 05:10 AM
You are right.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/16/2008 06:15 AM
Does anyone have any knowledge of astronauts who have either begun, or are about to begin, training for future long-term ISS expeditions?

Obviously, we know of expeditions up to Expedition-19 and some possible Expedition-20 crew members (Jeff Williams, TJ Creamer etc), plus Scott Kelly for a later expedition. However, have any others recently begun expedition training?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 03/16/2008 05:59 PM
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Ben E - 16/3/2008  2:15 AM

Does anyone have any knowledge of astronauts who have either begun, or are about to begin, training for future long-term ISS expeditions?

Obviously, we know of expeditions up to Expedition-19 and some possible Expedition-20 crew members (Jeff Williams, TJ Creamer etc), plus Scott Kelly for a later expedition. However, have any others recently begun expedition training?

You might have better luck asking in the Flight Crew Assignments thread...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 03/16/2008 06:03 PM
As backups, Cady Coleman and Shannon Walker will likely fly on future expeditions. I'm not aware of any recent new additions to the Expedition Corps. However, I do know Al Drew expressed a desire to fly a long-duration mission. My guess is that Sunita Williams will eventually command an expedition (backup Scott Kelley on 22, then command 24?). Peggy Whitson served as Deputy Astronaut Office Chief between flights as well. It's also likely at least some like Clay Anderson, Dan Tani, Garrett Reisman, and others currently assigned to crews will go back into the rotation.

I suspect that not every member of the Astronaut Office is lining up to fly a long-duration mission. While some are disqualified due to height constraints (of the Soyuz vehicle), and some might be deemed not psychologically suitable for such a mission, others may not want to make the commitment of time spent away from home such an assignment entails. As such, I would tend to think those who do volunteer and are considered suitable would probably get their wish granted.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 03/16/2008 06:56 PM
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Ben E - 16/3/2008  2:15 AM

Does anyone have any knowledge of astronauts who have either begun, or are about to begin, training for future long-term ISS expeditions?

Obviously, we know of expeditions up to Expedition-19 and some possible Expedition-20 crew members (Jeff Williams, TJ Creamer etc), plus Scott Kelly for a later expedition. However, have any others recently begun expedition training?

You might have better luck asking in the Flight Crew Assignments thread...

Merged.

(And this is a good idea, because people "in the know" tend to have such threads on e-mail notification, thus will be 'alerted' to this additional question.)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 03/18/2008 01:13 PM
In August 2005 , Robert Behnken was included in a group of American
astronauts in training for long expeditions to ISS.
I don't know why he was later diverted to a shuttle flight.
I think that if there not constraints, after STS-123, he can return to ISS
long expeditions training.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/18/2008 07:37 PM
Wasn't the same true of Tracy Caldwell, also? I was surprised to see her on a Shuttle flight and not an expedition.

Delta7, you mentioned an 'Expedition Corps' within the Astronaut Office - I've never heard of this corps, but presumably it must exist. Do you have any more info? Does it have a branch chief astronaut?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 03/18/2008 07:45 PM
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Ben E - 18/3/2008  4:37 PM

Wasn't the same true of Tracy Caldwell, also? I was surprised to see her on a Shuttle flight and not an expedition.

Delta7, you mentioned an 'Expedition Corps' within the Astronaut Office - I've never heard of this corps, but presumably it must exist.

it doesn't
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 03/18/2008 11:40 PM
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Ben E - 18/3/2008  3:37 PM

Wasn't the same true of Tracy Caldwell, also? I was surprised to see her on a Shuttle flight and not an expedition.

Delta7, you mentioned an 'Expedition Corps' within the Astronaut Office - I've never heard of this corps, but presumably it must exist. Do you have any more info? Does it have a branch chief astronaut?

I've seen it referred to on a number of occasions, but I haven't seen anything official on it. It may be used as a general term for those in training for ISS missions, or may actually be part of the organizational structure of the ISS program. Unfortunately, as with other subjects, it's hard to find a definite answer on the NASA Human Spaceflight web site.

I seem to recall that Mike Foale was listed as head of the "Expedition Corps" or something to that effect in his official NASA bio a number of years ago.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 03/18/2008 11:54 PM
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Ben E - 18/3/2008  3:37 PM

Wasn't the same true of Tracy Caldwell, also? I was surprised to see her on a Shuttle flight and not an expedition.

Delta7, you mentioned an 'Expedition Corps' within the Astronaut Office - I've never heard of this corps, but presumably it must exist. Do you have any more info? Does it have a branch chief astronaut?

I've seen it referred to on a number of occasions, but I haven't seen anything official on it. It may be used as a general term for those in training for ISS missions, or may actually be part of the organizational structure of the ISS program. Unfortunately, as with other subjects, it's hard to find a definite answer on the NASA Human Spaceflight web site.

I seem to recall that Mike Foale was listed as head of the "Expedition Corps" or something to that effect in his official NASA bio a number of years ago.

It isn't an official term.  It is not in the CB org chart
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/19/2008 06:29 AM
Delta7, yes, indeed, it is still mentioned under 'NASA Experience'. It obviously isn't regarded as a 'branch chief' level of responsibility, because several other management astronauts have their job title listed as such under 'Management', eg Ivins is listed as 'Management - Exploration Office Branch Chief'. I don't think Foale was ever listed as 'Management - Expedition Corps Branch Chief'. I simply wasn't aware of such a corps' existence, but suspect it must be somehow 'separate' from the mainstream Shuttle training section of the corps.

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/foale.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 03/19/2008 03:19 PM

There was indeed an "Expedition Corps" within the astronaut office from 1999-2001, with Andrew Thomas, Foale and Lopez-Alegria as leads.  (It was never a "branch".)  Its functions were absorbed into ISS Crew Ops, then Station Ops, where ISS-bound astronauts are largely assigned.  There is, I believe, a lead for ISS training in Station or Station Ops.

The astronaut office is determined to shorten the current 4+ year training regime to two -- eliminating the need for expedition crewmembers to be fully qualified on both EVA and RMS, for example.

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Kel on 03/19/2008 04:58 PM
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Michael Cassutt - 19/3/2008  11:19 AM
The astronaut office is determined to shorten the current 4+ year training regime to two -- eliminating the need for expedition crewmembers to be fully qualified on both EVA and RMS, for example.

This would make sense, especially as the station will have a crew of 6 in the near future.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 03/19/2008 05:53 PM
John Grunsfeld had begun training for a long-duration ISS mission prior to being assigned to STS-125. Perhaps he'll resume that endeavor after his upcoming mission. I had a conversation with him in 2003 during which he expressed a desire to do so.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/19/2008 06:48 PM
Out of curiosity, when the ISS goes to six crew, will they work in two shifts or single shift?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 03/28/2008 09:47 PM
A possible partial assignment for Expedition 21.  Not sure if it's prime or backup, 21A or 21B.
http://collectspace.com/ubb/Forum30/HTML/000686.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: erioladastra on 03/28/2008 11:12 PM
"Out of curiosity, when the ISS goes to six crew, will they work in two shifts or single shift?"

Single.  It would be too disruptive for two (though I wouldn't rule out special cases say during a docking) plus the control centers would have a problem with supporting like that.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 04/01/2008 08:39 AM
Happy to known that CSA is recruiting al least two astronauts for future flights.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 04/01/2008 05:12 PM
Well at IAC in Hyderabad, they said they wanted two astronauts in the ISS in the 2010s and two astronauts on the Moon in the 2020s so they'd better recruit some.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 04/03/2008 04:10 PM
CSA, JAXA and now ESA, all are in train to select new astronauts, almost all for ISS long duration missions.
Next year NASA will select the new Astronauts for Orion,  plus I think someone for ISS by Soyuz.
I note that with the end of the Shuttle program, the world of the manned spaceflight continue to renewe itself.
These are good news.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 04/08/2008 10:58 PM
Would anyone have a link that would show shuttle flight crew assignments (including ISS increment crews) for the STS 114 through STS-120 missions...prior to the Columbia accident?
Thank you.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: K8B on 04/09/2008 12:49 AM
I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for or not, but here are links - slated -pre 107 (found with help from the wayback machine) - this link of missions up to STS-117, others are below http://web.archive.org/web/20021206162553/http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/shuttle/future/index.html and actual - http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/list_main.html  

Pre 107 press release - STS-118 &120/Expedition 8 & 9 (from 2002)
http://web.archive.org/web/20021221193123/spaceflight.nasa.gov/spacenews/releases/2002/H02-249.html
Pre 107 press release - STS-113 & 117/Expedition 10
http://web.archive.org/web/20021221195201/spaceflight.nasa.gov/spacenews/releases/2002/H02-155.html
Pre 107 press release - Expedition 7
http://web.archive.org/web/20021221200350/spaceflight.nasa.gov/spacenews/releases/2002/H02-235.html

& (post 107) actual ISS crews - http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/expeditions/index.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 04/09/2008 01:12 AM
Great...just what I was looking for...thank you!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 04/09/2008 12:02 PM
Were there any insights into how future ISS crews would have panned out in pre-Columbia days? Would Eyharts have been launched on the Columbus mission, for example? Would Camarda (as Expedition 8 backup) have got an expedition?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: K8B on 04/09/2008 03:48 PM
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Ben E - 9/4/2008  5:02 AM

Were there any insights into how future ISS crews would have panned out in pre-Columbia days?

I don't understand what you are asking... did you want to know who was slated to be ISS Crew members pre STS-107? If so - those links are above (as well as the actual crews flown). The last announcement (on the Nasa site  - press releases) of crews  was late Dec 2002. I found crews named up to Expedition 10 (those links are in my previous post on this thread). Here is a list of press releases for the past 10+ years that would have that kind of info. http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/spacenews/releases/  (I discovered this link after I found the previous links at the wayback machine site)

I'm sorry if I misunderstood your question. Maybe you are asking if someone has first-hand knowledge on the specifics and not just what was announced in press releases.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 04/09/2008 06:18 PM
Sorry K8B, I probably misphrased my question. I was just trying to find out if there were any crews named beyond Expedition 10 at the time of the loss of Columbia, or, if not, which backup crews would have rotated into the Expedition 11 slots and beyond. I do recall that Camarda was a backup for Expedition 8 and wondered if he would have been in line for Expedition 11? Presumably there would have been an ESA astronaut aboard for (or shortly after) Columbus' arrival in October 2004, but I wonder if it would have been Eyharts or Reiter or someone else?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: K8B on 04/09/2008 11:01 PM
Ben,

As for Camarda, I'm not sure but found this reference to Camarda taking Philips place as backup for Exp. 8, Philips was moved to back-up for Exp. 7, replacing Richards (trickle down) - http://www.nasa-usa.de/home/hqnews/2002/02-055.txt . Unsure if Camarda would have been on expedition 11 crew member since the guy he replaced (as back-up for 8), Philips,  was moved to back-up for Exp. 7... and then he was on Exp. 11 http://www.nasa.gov/lb/home/hqnews/2005/apr/HQ_m05058_NTV_Station_Crew_Change.html so I would think it Camarda would have to have been back-up for 7 & not 8 in order to get on 11 (but who really knows - unless you are that person or it is in a document somewhere)

2nd part
I would think that not only would it be an ESA astronaut but that it would be a German ESA astronaut (since Columbus is germany's baby/control center in germany).

It looks like Reiter would have been the guy all along (even in 2001) as he was already training for ISS missions in 2001 & Eyharts was only assigned to "technical assignments" within Nasa. Hans Schlegel appears to have been in training (more so than Eyharts or Fuglesang)

Thomas Reiters profile from Jul 2002 (scroll all the way down to current assignments)
http://web.archive.org/web/20020817100225/www.esa.int/export/esaHS/ESAYBVZUMOC_astronauts_0.html
and in 2003 it was basically unchanged
http://web.archive.org/web/20030508015441/http://www.esa.int/esaHS/ESAYBVZUMOC_astronauts_0.html

And Eyharts 2002
http://web.archive.org/web/20020804140657/www.esa.int/export/esaHS/ESASFUZUMOC_astronauts_0.html
& 2003
http://web.archive.org/web/20030724225239/http://www.esa.int/esaHS/ESASFUZUMOC_astronauts_0.html

Hans Schlegel - "In August 1998, ESA sent him to the Johnson Space Center for training as a Mission Specialist" - in robotics on shuttle & ISS
http://web.archive.org/web/20020817095752/www.esa.int/export/esaHS/ESAKDVZUMOC_astronauts_0.html

Christer Fuglesang - "providing collateral duties in the NASA-JSC Astronaut Office and has been assigned to the EVA branch"
http://web.archive.org/web/20020611190553/www.esa.int/export/esaHS/ESAOUUZUMOC_astronauts_0.html

hope that helps  :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 04/10/2008 06:21 AM
Thanks for that. I remember reading a suggestion somewhere that Clervoy was attached to 1E as an EVA Mission Specialist. Maybe a German ISS crew member (Reiter?) would also have been on the 1E mission, although in pre-107 days there seemed to be the habit of flying entire three-person crews up, rather than the routine of one crew member as today.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 04/21/2008 07:25 PM
The Russian site astronaut.ru, reports Yurchikhin backup of Surayev for ISS-20B.
Moreover astronaut.ru, reports Kaleri and Kuipers for ISS-21A prime crew.
I know that about Yurchikhin, Anik denied this assignment, on another thread, a few weeks ago.
Are these assignments only "tentatively ones" ?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Olaf on 04/22/2008 06:01 AM
There were information in the past that Kaleri will be the commander of the first new Soyuz (Nr. 701). According to the newest plan of launches Nr. 701 will be launched in November 2009 with ISS Crew 20B. May be they will change the crews.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TALsite on 05/09/2008 06:38 PM
Bumped…

Quote
Delta7 - 6/3/2008  6:33 PM
I'll go out on a limb and make predictions for the CDR/PLT assignments for STS 128 - 133:

STS-128: Hobaugh/Virts

Quote
Ben E - 7/3/2008  1:21 AM
My money's on:
128: Hobaugh/Virts

Quote
TALsite - 7/3/2008  2:36 PM
My money is on:
128: Hobaugh/Virts        

We were supposing Hobaugh and Virts are friends…   ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 05/09/2008 07:10 PM
I really hope James Kelly gets his shot as commander! But I know the prediction is Hobaugh based on the current pattern...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 05/09/2008 09:21 PM
Kelly has flown 2 MPLM flights, 102 with leonardo and 114 with rafaello. Maybe he will command one of the remaining MPLM flights?

I think Hobaugh and Zamka will be assigned at short but I hope Rick Sturckow will be offered a 4:th  shuttle flight or command an ISS long duration mission.






Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 05/10/2008 01:45 PM
Sturckow on an ISS mission? Is he doing ISS expedition training, then?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 05/13/2008 09:10 PM
RELEASE: 08-121

NASA ASSIGNS PART OF CREW FOR EXPEDITION 20 SPACE STATION MISSION

WASHINGTON -- NASA and its international partners have assigned two
crew members to the Expedition 20 International Space Station
mission.

NASA astronaut Timothy J. Creamer, a colonel in the U.S. Army, and
Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency astronaut Soichi Noguchi will
launch on a Soyuz spacecraft in November 2009. Creamer will be making
his first trip to space.

Creamer and Noguchi will join the Expedition 20 mission in progress
and remain aboard the space station for six months as flight
engineers. Creamer also will serve as a NASA science officer. Other
members of the Expedition 20 crew have yet to be named. Expedition 20
will continue assembly of the station as well as outfit the orbiting
complex with spare parts and supplies.

Creamer was born in Fort Huachuca, Ariz., but considers Upper
Marlboro, Md., to be his hometown. He has a bachelor's in chemistry
from Loyola College and a master's in physics from the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology. He was selected as a NASA astronaut in 1998.


Noguchi was born in Yokohama, Kanagawa, Japan, and considers
Chigasaki, Kanagawa, Japan, his hometown. He has a bachelor's and a
master's degree in aeronautical engineering from the University of
Tokyo. He flew as a mission specialist aboard space shuttle
Discovery's return to flight mission in 2005 and performed three
spacewalks. He was selected as an astronaut in 1996 by Japan's
National Space Development Agency, which now is known as JAXA. He
reported to NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston in August 1996.

Crew members named as backups are NASA astronaut and Army Col. Douglas
H. Wheelock, and JAXA astronaut Satoshi Furukawa.

For complete astronaut biographical information, visit:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios

For more information about NASA's International Space Station Program,
visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/station
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 05/13/2008 09:10 PM
----------------------------------------------------------------------
                       ***  JAXA MAIL SERVICE  ***
                   Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency
----------------------------------------------------------------------
                  Announcement of Japanese Expedition Crew
                  to the International Space Station (ISS)

                                                          May 14, 2008
                             Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA)

Space organizations in Canada, the European Union, Japan, Russia and
the United States have agreed on the following schedule and members
for the 20th Expedition Crew that will stay on the International
Space Station (ISS).
We are pleased to note that Astronaut Soichi Noguchi of the Japan
Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) was selected as a prime member of
the Expedition 20 Crew and that Astronaut Satoshi Furukawa was
selected as his backup.
Astronaut Noguchi will conduct mainly space utilization activities
such as Japan's scientific experiments in the ISS where six crew
members will be staying by his flight.


Expected Stay on the ISS:
         Late 2009 to early 2010

Expected Mission Duration:
         6 months
         (Launched and returned by Soyuz launch vehicle)

Expected Activities on the ISS:
         Conduct system operation and science experiments in the ISS
         modules including Kibo, ISS robotic arm operation, and
         Extravehicular Activities (EVA) as an ISS Flight Engineer.

Preparation for flight:
         Training for operation and science experiments in each ISS
         element; training for flying aboard a Soyuz.

References:
         Brief personal histories of Astronaut Soichi Noguchi and
         Astronaut Satoshi Furukawa
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/05/20080514_iss_e.html#ref01

         Flight Schedule for the Japanese Astronauts
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/05/20080514_iss_e.html#ref02

         JAXA President's Remarks
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/05/20080514_iss_e.html#ref03

Reference Links:
         ISS Kibo Information Center
http://iss.jaxa.jp/en/
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 05/14/2008 04:49 PM
I think that J. Williams (Exp.20A), now will ride on Soyuz TMA-16.
Actually, if he will fly on STS-129, then Soyuz TMA-16 must fly with only two member crew.
All this, after the International agreement about the future crews rotation on ISS.

On the shuttle side., I will not be surprised if Zamka will be assigned to command STS-128.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 05/17/2008 07:38 PM
This could be bogus, but, the following has appeared on wikipedia as the STS-128 crew.

CDR: Charles Hobaugh
PLT: Terry Virts
Mission Specialists: Steven Robinson, Christer Fuglesang, Randolph Bresnik and Dorothy Metcalf-Lindenburger
ISS Up: Nicole Stott

I'm cautious about it....but, can anyone confirm or deny?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 05/18/2008 09:10 AM
I haven't seen anything on L2 regarding the crew for that mission, even though I'm really looking forward to see if Christer gets to fly on this flight. I'd take it with a truck load of salt for the time being. I really can't see how Wikipedia should've got that info when we haven't heard a thing on L2 yet...

EDIT: However Nicole Stott is correct. It has been known for some time that she'll be flying to the station with this flight.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skyrocket on 05/18/2008 10:04 AM
The Wikipedia entry is probably based on the Listing on the "Loty kosmiczne" website
http://astro.zeto.czest.pl/loty/sts128.htm
This website is often (but not always) correct on future flight assignements. But as the authors of the website marked the assignemnts all with a question mark, we should not take this info for given fact.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 05/18/2008 11:18 AM
I hope James Kelly gets a flight as CDR soon!! But after the past few shuttle assignments, the trend definately points to Hobaugh commanding STS-128...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 05/18/2008 04:28 PM
Seems plausible, but Wiki still shows STS-128 crew "TBD" when I checked.

(I predicted all but Metcalf-Lindenburger on an earlier thread).

If it holds up, my STS-129 prediction:

CDR: Zamka
PLT: Ford
MS: Olivas, Caldwell, Dutton, Satcher.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 05/18/2008 05:37 PM
Quote
ShuttleDiscovery - 18/5/2008  7:18 AM

I hope James Kelly gets a flight as CDR soon!! But after the past few shuttle assignments, the trend definately points to Hobaugh commanding STS-128...

I think if Jim Kelly was in line for a CDR slot on shuttle, he would have been assigned already. IMO he will get the first manned Orion CDR position.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 05/19/2008 12:17 PM
I thought Olivas was training for an expedition?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: on 05/19/2008 01:55 PM
Quote
Ben E - 19/5/2008  7:17 AM

I thought Olivas was training for an expedition?


I hadn't heard that, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. However, from his current NASA official biography:

"Presently, he is assigned to the Capsule Communicator (CAPCOM) Branch that is responsible for all interface with the flight control team at Mission Control in Houston and the on-orbit STS and ISS crews."
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 05/20/2008 12:05 AM
Quote
Delta7 - 18/5/2008  12:28 PM

Seems plausible, but Wiki still shows STS-128 crew "TBD" when I checked..

Looks like it got taken down from wiki. Rightly so as it had zero references.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 05/24/2008 10:39 AM
Meanwhile James Reilly resigned from NASA, after completing three spaceflights.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 06/05/2008 04:49 PM
Also, jsc.nasa.gov/Bios mentions that Kevin Ford has just resigned from the US Air Force, with the rank of Colonel. Hope he doesn't leave NASA, too. I'd like to see him get a flight.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Space Possum on 06/05/2008 05:29 PM
Pardon me if this has been addressed before.
Do backup crew members still rotate to prime crew after the next flight?
I noticed Doug Wheelock as backup for Expedition 20. Met him a few years ago, he's a nice fellow and I would like to see him get another flight.
Just wondering...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 06/05/2008 10:19 PM
Isn´t  Doug Wheelock assigned to expedition 21 ?

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ras391 on 06/06/2008 03:23 AM
When I talked to Doug, at KSC just before launch of STS-124, he said he was going to Russia in early June to begin training for an ISS flight.  He would not make it "official".
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Delta7 on 06/06/2008 03:36 AM
Pardon me if this has been addressed before.
Do backup crew members still rotate to prime crew after the next flight?
I noticed Doug Wheelock as backup for Expedition 20. Met him a few years ago, he's a nice fellow and I would like to see him get another flight.
Just wondering...

Not all ISS backup crew members have gone on to fly an expedition themselves. Steve Robinson (Exp. 4), Scott Kelley (Exp. 5 ~ now training as backup again for Exp. 20), Charles Camarda and Carlos Noriega come to mind. Still, I see no reason to doubt Wheelock will eventually fly on a future expedition. Same goes for Shannon Walker and Cady Coleman.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nrlqt on 06/10/2008 05:39 PM
Does any one know when we can expect flight crew assignments for STS-128 and beyond announced?
I really hope that Christer Fuglesang gets his second flight assignment soon.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/10/2008 06:03 PM
Does any one know when we can expect flight crew assignments for STS-128 and beyond announced?
I really hope that Christer Fuglesang gets his second flight assignment soon.

Ironically, we've just got the master EVA training schedule on L2, and I'm asking about relation to assignments.

i.e. Fuglesang is scheduled for training with Behnken in the NBL on Node 3. Could be a clue, but we're looking into it.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/10/2008 06:22 PM
Does any one know when we can expect flight crew assignments for STS-128 and beyond announced?
I really hope that Christer Fuglesang gets his second flight assignment soon.

Ironically, we've just got the master EVA training schedule on L2, and I'm asking about relation to assignments.

i.e. Fuglesang is scheduled for training with Behnken in the NBL on Node 3. Could be a clue, but we're looking into it.

That would make sense, having another ESA astronaut flying with an ESA built node, just like Nespoli on STS-120... :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Delta7 on 06/10/2008 07:23 PM
Now that Yuri Lonchakov has moved from Soyuz TMA-15/Expedition 19 to Soyuz TMA-13/Expedition 18, who will replace him on the former? I guess one good bet would be his backup for that Mission, Dimitri Kondratiev. Maxim Suraev could also be a possibility.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/10/2008 07:42 PM
Now that Yuri Lonchakov has moved from Soyuz TMA-15/Expedition 19 to Soyuz TMA-13/Expedition 18, who will replace him on the former? I guess one good bet would be his backup for that Mission, Dimitri Kondratiev. Maxim Suraev could also be a possibility.

I'd say it'll be Dimitri Kondratiev too, as he is Lonchakov's back-up
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 06/15/2008 04:03 PM
I just hope that Jeff Ashby and Pam Melroy both get a fourth flight on the shuttle as well.  Jeff Ashby did make a comment on CNN news during the STS-114 launch coverage that he hopes he can get another flight on the shuttle before it is retired.

Sorry, Jeff Ashby has now left NASA.

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio_former.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 06/15/2008 04:27 PM
I wish they'd hurry up and announce the crew for STS-128! Or maybe they're waiting a bit so they can announce the STS-128 and STS-129 crews together perhaps...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 06/15/2008 09:40 PM
I wish they'd hurry up and announce the crew for STS-128! Or maybe they're waiting a bit so they can announce the STS-128 and STS-129 crews together perhaps...
Crews are normally announced about a year before the scheduled launch, which in the case of 128 is mid-July.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 06/16/2008 03:14 AM
Quote
ShuttleDiscovery - 18/5/2008  7:18 AM

I hope James Kelly gets a flight as CDR soon!! But after the past few shuttle assignments, the trend definately points to Hobaugh commanding STS-128...

I think if Jim Kelly was in line for a CDR slot on shuttle, he would have been assigned already. IMO he will get the first manned Orion CDR position.

Agree.  Crewmembers from 121, 115, 116, 117, (possibly) 118 have/are getting new flight assignments.  No one from 114 has been assigned to a new flight.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 06/16/2008 07:37 AM
What are the crew designations for Orion? Will we see CDR/PLT or CDR/FE or something entirely different? Have they been defined yet?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 06/16/2008 11:18 AM
CDR, PLT will be probably continued to be used.  There always has been a PLT position ever since NASA went to more than 1 crew member.

Gemini - Command pilot, pilot
Apollo 1 - Command pilot, Senior pilot, pilot
Apollo - Commander, CMP, LMP
Skylab - Commander, CMP, Science Pilot
ASTP - Commander, CMP, Docking MP

There will be some designation for the LSAM pilot

As for the others, MS still could used.  Or new one like station specialist, science specialist, or  maybe exploration specialist,
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 06/16/2008 03:47 PM
Thanks Jim,

Out of curiosity, was there a reason for the switch from 'command pilot' on Gemini and Apollo 1 to 'commander' later on? Sounds picky, I know, but I just wondered if there was any rationale behind it?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 06/16/2008 04:06 PM
Thanks Jim,


Those were my views and not official
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Olaf on 06/27/2008 09:58 AM
I´ve seen on the Astronaut Biographies page that NASA has "won" five active astronauts, because the astronauts, who lead the Flight Crew Operation Directorate (Jett, Kavandi and Lopez-Alegria) and the Astronaut Office (Lindsey and Suni Williams) now count again as Active astronauts and not as Management astronauts. Is this a sign for the Flight crew assignments for the last shuttle flights?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 06/27/2008 03:39 PM
I´ve seen on the the Astronaut Biographies page that NASA has "won" five active astronauts, because the astronauts, who lead the Flight Crew Operation Directorate (Jett, Kavandi and Lopez-Alegria) and the Astronaut Office (Lindsey and Suni Williams) now count again as Active astronauts and not as Management astronauts. Is this a sign for the Flight crew assignments for the last shuttle flights?

No.  For one thing, astronauts can be moved from "management" to "active" status with a phone call.  There's no necessity to re-classify these five now for that reason.

More likely explanation: NASA is phasing out management status in anticipation of the end of Shuttle assignments (last ones will be made within a year), some major attrition and the incoming 09s.  ("Pilot" and "mission specialist" designations end with Shuttle, too.)


Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: rsp1202 on 06/27/2008 04:45 PM
That happened with Scott Altman, didn't it? From "management" to commanding the final Hubble mission.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 06/27/2008 05:07 PM
RELEASE: 08-161

ASTRONAUT BARBARA MORGAN TO LEAVE NASA

HOUSTON -- Veteran space shuttle astronaut Barbara R. Morgan will
leave NASA in August to become an educator at Idaho's Boise State
University.

NASA's first educator astronaut, Morgan logged more than 305 hours in
space aboard shuttle Endeavour's STS-118 assembly mission to the
International Space Station in August 2007. She operated the shuttle
and station robotic arms to install hardware, inspect the orbiter and
support spacewalks. Morgan also served as loadmaster for the transfer
of supplies between the shuttle and station, taught lessons from
space to schoolchildren on Earth and served on the flight deck during
re-entry and landing.

"Barbara has served NASA and the Astronaut Office with distinction
over the course of her career," Astronaut Office chief Steve Lindsey
said. "From the Teacher in Space Program to her current position as a
fully qualified astronaut, she has set a superb example and been a
consistent role model for both teachers and students. She will be
missed."

Morgan previously served as the backup to payload specialist Christa
McAuliffe in the Teacher in Space Program. McAuliffe and six fellow
astronauts lost their lives in the Challenger accident on Jan. 28,
1986. Morgan, who was an elementary schoolteacher in McCall, Idaho,
before being selected as McAuliffe's backup, returned to teaching
after the accident. She was selected to train as a mission specialist
in 1998 and named to the STS-118 crew in 2002.

"It is really tough to leave NASA," Morgan said. "It is a great
organization with great people doing great things. We're going back
to the moon and on to Mars. I'm especially proud that we have three
other teachers who are astronauts, and there will be others in the
future. I'm very excited to go to work for Boise State University. I
like everything about it, and it's going to be wonderful helping
exploration by working full time for education."

Three other educator mission specialists, Richard Arnold, Joseph Acaba
and Dottie Metcalf-Lindenburger, are training for future
spaceflights. Arnold and Acaba are assigned to fly on the STS-119
space shuttle mission to the station in 2009.

Morgan will serve as Distinguished Educator in Residence at Boise
State, providing vision and leadership to the state of Idaho on
science, technology, engineering and math education.

Highlights of Morgan's NASA career will be available on NASA
Television's video file. For NASA TV downlink information, schedules
and links to streaming video, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

For more biographical information about Morgan, visit:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/morgan.html

For information about NASA and agency programs, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: oscar71 on 06/27/2008 07:31 PM

[/quote]

"Pilot" and "mission specialist" designations end with Shuttle, too


Michael Cassutt
[/quote]

If there are no designations does this mean non pilots will be able to pilot an Orion?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 06/27/2008 08:14 PM
Oscar71, see the comments here:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=7899.msg156305#msg156305
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 06/27/2008 08:16 PM


"Pilot" and "mission specialist" designations end with Shuttle, too
Michael Cassutt
[/quote]

If there are no designations does this mean non pilots will be able to pilot an Orion?
[/quote]

We're talking about job titles here, not actual tasks.  NASA has not determined what Orion crew positions will be called -- there is strong sentiment within the astronaut office for "operator", which would suggest that any astronaut could "operate" the vehicle.  (Energiya flight engineers who lack pilot training have nevertheless "flown" Soyuz missions.)

However, Lindsey told me a few months back that the decision had been "kicked down the road".  I find it unlikely that the "operator-1" of an Orion mission will not be an astronaut with a flying background.

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Olaf on 06/27/2008 09:32 PM
I´ve seen on the the Astronaut Biographies page that NASA has "won" five active astronauts, because the astronauts, who lead the Flight Crew Operation Directorate (Jett, Kavandi and Lopez-Alegria) and the Astronaut Office (Lindsey and Suni Williams) now count again as Active astronauts and not as Management astronauts. Is this a sign for the Flight crew assignments for the last shuttle flights?

No.  For one thing, astronauts can be moved from "management" to "active" status with a phone call.  There's no necessity to re-classify these five now for that reason.

More likely explanation: NASA is phasing out management status in anticipation of the end of Shuttle assignments (last ones will be made within a year), some major attrition and the incoming 09s.  ("Pilot" and "mission specialist" designations end with Shuttle, too.)


Michael Cassutt

Thank you sir for clarification.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 06/28/2008 06:31 AM
About the remaining Educator Mission Specialists, I find very interesting that during the STS-119 mission next year, the scheduled third EVA, will be performed by a couple of EMSs,
( Acaba and Arnold).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 06/28/2008 06:43 AM
About the remaining Educator Mission Specialists, I find very interesting that during the STS-119 mission next year, the scheduled third EVA, will be performed by a couple of EMSs,
( Acaba and Arnold).

Why do you say you find this interesting? The Educator Mission Specialists are fully trained Mission Specialists who just happen to also be educators. And Mission Specialists are the astronuats who perform our EVAs.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 06/28/2008 02:15 PM
About the remaining Educator Mission Specialists, I find very interesting that during the STS-119 mission next year, the scheduled third EVA, will be performed by a couple of EMSs,
( Acaba and Arnold).

Why do you say you find this interesting? The Educator Mission Specialists are fully trained Mission Specialists who just happen to also be educators. And Mission Specialists are the astronuats who perform our EVAs.

Thanks for your clarification.
However, the above fact is a "little curiosity".

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 06/28/2008 06:52 PM
Anyone hear anything about Group 17 astronaut Neil Woodward leaving NASA?
Thank you.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: collectSPACE on 06/28/2008 07:26 PM
Anyone hear anything about Group 17 astronaut Neil Woodward leaving NASA?
Thank you.

Yes: http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum38/HTML/000865.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: joebacsi777 on 06/28/2008 07:30 PM
Anyone hear anything about Group 17 astronaut Neil Woodward leaving NASA?
Thank you.

Is it known why didn't he get any flights?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Delta7 on 06/28/2008 08:56 PM
Woodward would be joining a small list of individuals who can claim to be a former NASA Astronaut, but never having flown in space.

Duane Graveline
F. Curtis Michel
John S. Bull
Philip K. Chapman
Donald L. Holmquest
J. Anthony Llewellyn
Brian T. O'Leary
Christopher "Gus" Loria.

Seemingly also to eventually include Yvonne Cagle and Fernando "Frank" Caldero (whom are both still listed as Management Astronauts, but having long since been bypassed for a flight assignment, for whatever reason.)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 06/30/2008 01:18 PM
RELEASE: 08-162

ASTRONAUT JAMES REILLY LEAVES NASA

HOUSTON -- Veteran space shuttle astronaut James Reilly has left NASA
to accept a position in the private sector. Reilly flew on three
space shuttle missions to two space stations.

"Jim Reilly performed superbly as an astronaut over the course of his
career at NASA," Astronaut Office chief Steve Lindsey said. "His
technical, operational and people skills contributed directly to the
success of the space shuttle and International Space Station
programs. He was a key leader in the Astronaut Office and will be
missed."

Reilly's spaceflight experience includes more than 853 hours in space.
He has conducted five spacewalks, totaling more than 31 hours.

Selected as an astronaut in 1994, Reilly first flew in January 1998
aboard shuttle Endeavour's STS-89 mission, the eighth shuttle mission
to visit the Russian space station Mir. He next flew in 2001 on
STS-104 aboard shuttle Atlantis, performing three spacewalks during
that flight to install the joint airlock on the International Space
Station. Reilly again flew on Atlantis in 2007 on STS-117, performing
two spacewalks for construction and repair of the International Space
Station.

For more biographical information about Reilly, visit:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/reilly.html

For information about NASA and agency programs, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 07/07/2008 04:32 PM
According to this site:
http://astro.zeto.czest.pl/loty/fmanned.htm
The crew for STS-129 will probably see:
Zamka?, Ford?, Melvin? and Anna Fisher?.
Hoping this will be true.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: brahmanknight on 07/07/2008 04:53 PM
It'd be great to see Anna Fisher go up again, but I don't know if it will happen. 
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 07/08/2008 09:22 AM
According to this site:
http://astro.zeto.czest.pl/loty/fmanned.htm
The crew for STS-129 will probably see:
Zamka?, Ford?, Melvin? and Anna Fisher?.
Hoping this will be true.


Fisher? Gosh, that would be so great! Talk about bridging the old days with the upcoming closure of the program ...

What do we now about that site? Are they credible?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 07/08/2008 01:22 PM
Well if Hobaugh will follow the pattern and commands STS-128 then Zamka is next in line for STS-129...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: bothwell on 07/11/2008 05:01 PM
Acc. to http//astro.zeto.czest.pl, the crew for STS 128 will now consist of:
Sturckow, Ford, Forrester, Olivas and Hernandez.
No mention of crew of STS 129.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Justin Wheat on 07/11/2008 07:03 PM
How accurate is that website?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: SMS on 07/11/2008 11:35 PM
How accurate is that website?

read about it here: http://www.spacepatches.nl/station/tma5.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Justin Wheat on 07/12/2008 02:09 AM
Here is the crew for STS-128 and part of the crew for STS-129..

..

..this is all based on assumption as, so far, nothing has been made public to who the crew will be.

(Content and link removed, as that site leeches off other sites and is rarely correct - James).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 07/12/2008 03:02 AM
Here is the crew for STS-128 and part of the crew for STS-129

This is not a true statement. They may well wind up being on the crews, but they are not "the crews".

Quote
this is all based on assumption as, so far, nothing has been made public to who the crew will be.

This is a true statement, and should have been the opening statement in your post.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: collectSPACE on 07/13/2008 02:41 PM
If the Baltimore Examiner (http://www.examiner.com/a-1485244~Columbia_s_Terry_Virts___Faith_in_orbit.html) is accurate, then Terry Virts has been assigned to a mission in late 2009:  Terry Virts has spent the past eight years training as a space shuttle pilot to prepare for his mission to the International Space Station next fall.

That would seem to contradict the earlier rumored crew of STS-128, which is presently targeted for summer 2008.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/15/2008 04:58 AM
We'll see what we can do about nailing it down for you all. We do have an L2 based update on part of a crew, so we'll go after that first.

The thing is rumors of crews can be dangerous - you really have to wait (as far as publishing on an open site) until they've confirmed it internally and are close to press releasing it (they usually do turn it around fast), because the danger is a family or friend sees it, then phones them up, they go "Oh my!" and you see where I'm going with this....
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 07/15/2008 07:48 AM
According to this site:
http://astro.zeto.czest.pl/loty/fmanned.htm
Now the crew for STS-128 will be:
Sturckow
Ford
Forrester
Olivas
Hernandez
Stott.

I hope that NASA will soon announce the real designed crew.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Olaf on 07/15/2008 10:45 AM

I think there may be internal political pressure in Russia to fly Gruzdev in 2009. The US and IPs may not be agreeable to this, because it would lead to a shortfall of 1 person on ISS from October 2009 to March 2010 and also remove 1 person from STS-129 crew (as one space would be taken by Bob Thirsk who is returned on this mission).


But if Gruzdev will fly on Soyuz and Thirsk will be returned on STS 129, as NASA said, why cannot be launched a ISS-crewmember on STS 129?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 07/15/2008 10:53 AM

I think there may be internal political pressure in Russia to fly Gruzdev in 2009. The US and IPs may not be agreeable to this, because it would lead to a shortfall of 1 person on ISS from October 2009 to March 2010 and also remove 1 person from STS-129 crew (as one space would be taken by Bob Thirsk who is returned on this mission).


But if Gruzdev will fly on Soyuz and Thirsk will be returned on STS 129, as NASA said, why cannot be launched a ISS-crewmember on STS 129?

You are right, but the missing slot is for a Russian cosmonaut.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Olaf on 07/15/2008 01:41 PM
You are right, but the missing slot is for a Russian cosmonaut.


That´s correct, but I think this is only a question of $$.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 07/15/2008 10:00 PM
Can anyone confirm the crew of STS-128 yet?

I'm surprised that, if rumour is correct, there are only five 'core' crew members (excluding Stott) on such a logistics-heavy mission (17A/MPLM). I was expecting a crew of seven.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 07/16/2008 08:36 AM
Can anyone confirm the crew of STS-128 yet?

I'm surprised that, if rumour is correct, there are only five 'core' crew members (excluding Stott) on such a logistics-heavy mission (17A/MPLM). I was expecting a crew of seven.

I believe that when the officially crew will be announced, that will be a crew of seven.
I suppose that rumour, only caught six names.
To clarify all, the official announce should be only a matter of days.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: collectSPACE on 07/16/2008 08:46 PM
Can anyone confirm the crew of STS-128 yet?

NASA Assigns Crew for Equipment Delivery Mission to Space Station

NASA has assigned the crew for space shuttle mission STS-128. The flight will carry science and storage racks to the International Space Station.

Marine Corps Col. Frederick W. "Rick" Sturckow will command space shuttle Atlantis on the STS-128 mission, targeted for launch July 30, 2009. Retired Air Force Col. Kevin A. Ford will serve as the pilot. Mission specialists are NASA astronauts John D. "Danny" Olivas, retired Army Col. Patrick G. Forrester, Jose M. Hernandez and European Space Agency (ESA) astronaut Christer Fuglesang. The mission will deliver a new station crew member, Nicole Stott, to the complex and return Tim Kopra to Earth. Ford, Hernandez and Stott will be making their first trips to space. Stott and Kopra were previously assigned in February to station missions.

Atlantis will carry a Multi-Purpose Logistics Module filled with science and storage racks to the station. The mission will include three spacewalks to remove and replace a materials processing experiment outside ESA's Columbus module and return an empty ammonia tank assembly.

Sturckow flew as the commander of STS-117 in 2007, and was the pilot of STS-105 in 2001 and STS-88 in 1998. He considers Lakeside, Calif., his hometown. Sturckow has a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering from California Polytechnic State University. He was selected as an astronaut in 1994.

Ford considers Montpelier, Ind., his hometown. He has a bachelor's in aerospace engineering from the University of Notre Dame, master's degrees in international relations from Troy State University in Alabama and aerospace engineering from the University of Florida, and a doctorate in astronautical engineering from the Air Force Institute of Technology. He was selected as an astronaut in 2000.

Olivas flew as a mission specialist and conducted two spacewalks during STS-117 in 2007. He was raised in El Paso, Texas. Olivas has a bachelor's in mechanical engineering from the University of Texas-El Paso, a master's in mechanical engineering from the University of Houston and a doctorate in mechanical engineering and materials science from Rice University. He was selected as an astronaut in 1998.

Forrester flew as a mission specialist on STS-117 in 2007 and on STS-105 in 2001. He has conducted four spacewalks. He was born in El Paso, Texas. Forrester has a bachelor's in applied sciences and engineering from the U.S. Military Academy and a master's in mechanical and aerospace engineering from the University of Virginia. He was selected as an astronaut in 1996.

Hernandez considers Stockton, Calif., his hometown. He has a bachelor's in electrical engineering from the University of the Pacific and a master's in electrical and computer engineering from the University of California-Santa Barbara. He was selected as an astronaut in 2004.

Fuglesang flew as a mission specialist and conducted three spacewalks on STS-116 in 2006. He was born in Stockholm, Sweden. Fuglesang has a master's in engineering physics from the Royal Institute of Technology and a doctorate in experimental particle physics from the University of Stockholm. He was selected to join the ESA astronaut corps in 1992 and began training at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston in 1996.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: MBK004 on 07/16/2008 08:47 PM
Hot off the presses from NASA:
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/jul/HQ_08176_STS-128_cew_announcement.html

STS-128
Sturckow, Ford, Olivas, Forrester, Hernandez, Fuglesang

UP to ISS: Stott
Down: Kopra
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 07/16/2008 08:54 PM
That is the greatest news ever!!! Great to see Christer get his much deserved second flight!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 07/16/2008 09:25 PM
Interesting... three STS-117 astros flying together again.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 07/16/2008 09:37 PM
I see there's plenty of EVA experience on this flight. Who do you think will do the EVAs and how many do you think each of them gets? I really hope Christer gets at least two!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 07/16/2008 09:54 PM
I see there's plenty of EVA experience on this flight. Who do you think will do the EVAs and how many do you think each of them gets? I really hope Christer gets at least two!
There are only 2, possibly 3 EVA's scheduled for this mission.  It could be a mix of Forrester, Olivas, & Fuglesang or just two of them (Doi had EV experience yet didn't perform any on 123, same goes for Pettit & Phillips).  Just have to wait & see.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 07/16/2008 10:01 PM
If in the end we end up with three EVAs there's a chance they'll all get two:

Just an example:

EVA1: Fuglesang, Forrester
EVA2: Olivas, Forrester
EVA3: Fuglesang, Olivas
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 07/16/2008 10:06 PM
Another note here. This means that five of the six core members of the STS-117 flight (Sturckow, Archambault, Forrester, Olivas, and Swanson) have all gotten a second flight in the post-RTF 2 era. Reilly left NASA so obviously he won't get another flight.

Interesting. The Power's That Be must have really been impressed with that flight. Than again, who wouldn't be with all the things thrown at them and mission timeline changes during the flight. :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 07/16/2008 10:52 PM
And Nick Patrick remains the only from the shuttle-part of the STS-116 crew still with NASA not assigned to a new flight.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 07/17/2008 12:28 AM
Wasn't Nick Patrick assigned to Cap Com duty the past couple of shuttle flights?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 07/17/2008 12:45 AM
Wasn't Nick Patrick assigned to Cap Com duty the past couple of shuttle flights?

Yes.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 07/17/2008 12:50 AM
And Nick Patrick remains the only from the shuttle-part of the STS-116 crew still with NASA not assigned to a new flight.

Patrick and Polansky are the only ones available (from 116) for future assignments.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 07/17/2008 01:17 AM
And Nick Patrick remains the only from the shuttle-part of the STS-116 crew still with NASA not assigned to a new flight.

Patrick and Polansky are the only ones available (from 116) for future assignments.

Polansky is assigned to command STS-127 next year.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Orbiter on 07/17/2008 02:57 AM
STS-128 seems like a mostly STS-117 crew.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: cd-slam on 07/17/2008 04:49 AM

I think there may be internal political pressure in Russia to fly Gruzdev in 2009. The US and IPs may not be agreeable to this, because it would lead to a shortfall of 1 person on ISS from October 2009 to March 2010 and also remove 1 person from STS-129 crew (as one space would be taken by Bob Thirsk who is returned on this mission).


But if Gruzdev will fly on Soyuz and Thirsk will be returned on STS 129, as NASA said, why cannot be launched a ISS-crewmember on STS 129?

You are right, but the missing slot is for a Russian cosmonaut.


Hence my earlier post noting that Williams could have been launched on STS 129 and the Russian cosmonaut on Soyuz. But the question is not $$ but politics. NASA obviously doesn't wish to pay in the millions for ISS crew launches and have their slot taken by a Russian billionaire.

The logical solution is to ask Gruzdev to wait until 2011 when another tourist slot is available. However, politics and logic do not always mix!!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 07/17/2008 07:07 AM
Sturckow's assignment is presumably good news for Pam Melroy. She now seems likely to get another command - if she wants it, although she seemed indifferent to flying again in an interview several months back. I think we had speculated that the remaining shuttle missions were all likely to be led by first time Commanders. This now appears not to be the case.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 07/17/2008 12:06 PM
Second flight for ESA astronaut Christer Fuglesang

17 July 2008
ESA astronaut Christer Fuglesang from Sweden has been assigned as a Mission Specialist on board the 11-day STS-128 mission, currently scheduled for launch with Space Shuttle Atlantis to the International Space Station (ISS) on 30 July 2009.

http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMZXDWIPIF_index_0.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Webhamster on 07/17/2008 03:18 PM
Sturckow's assignment is presumably good news for Pam Melroy. She now seems likely to get another command - if she wants it, although she seemed indifferent to flying again in an interview several months back. I think we had speculated that the remaining shuttle missions were all likely to be led by first time Commanders. This now appears not to be the case.

One would also think that Steve Frick might also get a third flight (131 or 132 likely) if he wants it and one can only speculate as to whether Steve Lindsey has himself pencilled in for 133 or 134 (depending on which flight is the last)...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: John2375 on 07/18/2008 11:36 PM
One would also think that Steve Frick might also get a third flight (131 or 132 likely) if he wants it and one can only speculate as to whether Steve Lindsey has himself pencilled in for 133 or 134 (depending on which flight is the last)...

everyone here was pretty sure Hobaugh would command 128.. anyone here on the 'inside circle' of things have any insight then as to who'll get the final command positions? He certainly deserves it, but as we know logic doesn't always apply I guess..
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Webhamster on 07/22/2008 03:46 AM
Quote
Ben E - 7/11/2006  10:50 AM
I recall watching a TV documentary called "Astronauts" in about 1996-97, which covered the training and flight of the STS-72 crew.
Did that air in the UK? Gosh, You are a lucky one. I heard about that documentary, but it never aired here. I would have loved to watch it -- I saw the launch of STS-72!

I was just flipping through the history of this thread (some interesting stuff in here) when I came across this post.  I purchased 'Astronauts' on VHS from PBS Home Video in 1997, it's an excellent show.  It appears to be out of print now which means I'll really hang on to my copy...as long as I have a working VHS device.  ;)

I did a little digging and found that used copies can be found here: http://www.alibris.com/search/movies/qwork/100202479/used/Astronauts?cid=QK2gGX3HwM1NLThKUzoTtg==

I'm not vouching for the site, it's just the only place I found where it could still (probably) be obtained.  It appears they are old library copies.  But if you're still around nethegauner, you may be able to obtain it there.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 07/23/2008 05:34 AM
Just bought a copy, thanks webhamster.

I haven't seen it for years, but remember it was superb!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 07/25/2008 02:22 PM
As expected Woodward has finally left NASA.

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio_former.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 07/26/2008 10:31 AM
It's interesting that we've seen more astronauts leaving the corps in the last few years without ever having made a flight than at any point since the 60s. Every member of Group 7-15 got at least one mission and yet from Group 16 we've seen Cagle, Caldeiro and Loria and Woodward from Group 17 not even having been assigned a flight, much less flown one. Is there a reason? Presumably they all passed ASCAN training? Eitherway, it is unusual.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: qprmeteor on 07/26/2008 12:13 PM
Loria was assigned a flight (STS-113), but was withdrawn from flight status after suffering a severe injury.

The cases of Caldeiro and Cagle, and their lack of assignments, have been well covered on here. With Woodward, the details are sketchy. Anybody have some inside info? Same situations as with Cagle and Caldeiro?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 07/26/2008 01:14 PM
As expected Woodward has finally left NASA.

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio_former.html

Why was it expected?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 07/26/2008 02:25 PM
As expected Woodward has finally left NASA.

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio_former.html

Why was it expected?

Please read page 61 on this thread.


Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 07/26/2008 05:59 PM
Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #956 on: Today at 11:31 AM » Reply with quote 

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It's interesting that we've seen more astronauts leaving the corps in the last few years without ever having made a flight than at any point since the 60s. Every member of Group 7-15 got at least one mission and yet from Group 16 we've seen Cagle, Caldeiro and Loria and Woodward from Group 17 not even having been assigned a flight, much less flown one. Is there a reason? Presumably they all passed ASCAN training? Eitherway, it is unusual.
*

Not that unusual when you realize that NASA simply hired too many astronauts in 1996-98, based on the projection of earlier and more frequent ISS rotations -- very much like the over-hiring in 1966-67 based on very optimistic projections about the number of Apollo Applications flights.

If you have people waiting 7-10 years for first flights, it's more likely some of them will develop physical conditions that prevent assignment -- or have greater opportunity to make career-threatening errors.

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 07/26/2008 11:25 PM
MOL astronaut Robert Herres has died:

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/07/ap_herres_072608/
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Endeavour118 on 07/27/2008 08:08 PM
Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #956 on: Today at 11:31 AM » Reply with quote 

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It's interesting that we've seen more astronauts leaving the corps in the last few years without ever having made a flight than at any point since the 60s. Every member of Group 7-15 got at least one mission and yet from Group 16 we've seen Cagle, Caldeiro and Loria and Woodward from Group 17 not even having been assigned a flight, much less flown one. Is there a reason? Presumably they all passed ASCAN training? Eitherway, it is unusual.
*

Not that unusual when you realize that NASA simply hired too many astronauts in 1996-98, based on the projection of earlier and more frequent ISS rotations -- very much like the over-hiring in 1966-67 based on very optimistic projections about the number of Apollo Applications flights.

If you have people waiting 7-10 years for first flights, it's more likely some of them will develop physical conditions that prevent assignment -- or have greater opportunity to make career-threatening errors.

Michael Cassutt
loria was assigned a flight sts-113 but resigned from that mission
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 07/27/2008 11:52 PM
I think "fired" would be a more apt description....

Dave
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 07/28/2008 01:12 AM
I think "fired" would be a more apt description....

Dave


I heard once upon a time there was a falling out between him and Weatherbee.  I read earlier that he suffered three herniated lumbar discs and that grounded him indefinitely.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: John2375 on 07/31/2008 02:54 PM
I thought it was his back.. why would he be "fired" for that? If you're physically unable, then what can you do?
If it's true that that was an "official story" and there was a falling out between him and the CDR, then Wetherbee has quite a history of "inter-personal relationship problems" I believe he was behind Mark Lee being removed from STS-98 (according to Tom Jones book)




I think "fired" would be a more apt description....

Dave


I heard once upon a time there was a falling out between him and Weatherbee.  I read earlier that he suffered three herniated lumbar discs and that grounded him indefinitely.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 08/01/2008 04:02 AM
Without going into details, you're on the right track with Loria and Wetherbee.

D
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 08/01/2008 06:17 AM
Without going into details, you're on the right track with Loria and Wetherbee.

D

I'll leave it with that, then.  Thank you Dave.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 08/09/2008 04:08 PM
Did STS 51L pilot Mike Smith have an official assignment on the final shuttle test flight...STS 4 (ie: ASP, CAPCOM)?
Thank you.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 08/09/2008 10:28 PM
Did STS 51L pilot Mike Smith have an official assignment on the final shuttle test flight...STS 4 (ie: ASP, CAPCOM)?

Smith had a technical assignment in the astronaut office, but not one of the direct flight support jobs: first assignment was in SAIL (late 1980) followed by a year as deputy director, aircraft ops (1981-82).  He was either in the aircraft ops job or just starting a tour as George Abbey's technical assistant at the time of STS-4 (June-July 1982).

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 08/10/2008 01:18 PM
Thank you very much, Michael.
I appreciate your research.
Tom
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Olaf on 08/14/2008 05:54 AM
NASA Astronaut Biographie page now lists Barbara Morgan as Former Astronaut.

On this page http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum38/HTML/000833.html was an information that Mr. Tryggvason will leave CSA in June.

Is there any conformation that he did this?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 08/14/2008 08:56 AM
NASA Astronaut Biographie page now lists Barbara Morgan as Former Astronaut.

Of course it does. It was announced a couple of months ago that she would leave in August, so there's no surprise there.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 08/14/2008 02:40 PM

On this page http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum38/HTML/000833.html was an information that Mr. Tryggvason will leave CSA in June.

Is there any conformation that he did this?

This canadian article:
http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/420100
in April also write about a Tryggvason retirement in June.

The following sitse are reporting that move as happened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjarni_Tryggvason
http://www.spacefacts.de/bios/international/english/tryggvason_bjarni.htm
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: janmb on 08/29/2008 11:48 AM
Great to see Christer getting his second flight as projected. Congrats :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/02/2008 08:23 PM
STS-129 crew as per L2 source/info.

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5506
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 09/06/2008 08:28 AM
Report #J08-011

ASTRONAUT JOE TANNER LEAVES NASA

HOUSTON -- Veteran space shuttle astronaut Joe Tanner has left NASA to accept a position in the private sector. Tanner flew on four space shuttle missions and performed seven spacewalks.

"Joe has played an extremely important role for both our office and the agency as a whole throughout his many years with NASA," said Steve Lindsey, astronaut office chief. "Not only has he performed critical roles in each of his four shuttle missions, from servicing the Hubble Telescope to assembly work on the International Space Station, but his leadership and expertise have been invaluable resources to us on the ground as well. He will be missed."

Tanner's spaceflight experience includes more than 1,069 hours in space, with more than 46 hours spent spacewalking.

Selected as an astronaut in 1992, Tanner first flew aboard the space shuttle Atlantis on the STS-66 Atmospheric Laboratory for Applications and Science-3 mission in 1994. He then made two spacewalks to service the Hubble Space Telescope on STS-82 in 1997. Tanner's third mission was STS-97 in 2000 on Endeavour's flight to the International Space Station to install the first set of U.S. solar arrays, during which he did three spacewalks. On his last flight, Tanner's crew installed another set of solar arrays, continuing construction of the station on STS-115 in 2006. He conducted two spacewalks.

For more biographical information about Tanner, visit:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/tanner.html

For information about NASA and agency programs, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 09/08/2008 10:46 PM
With STS 129 assigned as a 6 person (up) crew, are the remaining shuttle flights scheduled to be 6 or 7 crew members?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 09/09/2008 02:15 AM
With STS 129 assigned as a 6 person (up) crew, are the remaining shuttle flights scheduled to be 6 or 7 crew members?
Thanks.

Depends on the flight, but STS 129 is scheduled to pick up Canadian astronaut Bob Thirsk from ISS, but won't bring up anyone else. Hence the six-person crew.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: astronut7 on 09/15/2008 07:04 PM
Any idea who the STS-130 crew selection might be??  Also who thinks Pam Melroy will get another command??
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 09/15/2008 07:13 PM
Any idea who the STS-130 crew selection might be??  Also who thinks Pam Melroy will get another command??


Way too early to even speculate in my opinion about the STS-130 crew considering the mission's targeted launch date is December 2009. 

As for Melroy, it's possible. Rick Sturckow and Mark Polansky have both received an additional CDR flight recently.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 09/16/2008 12:44 PM
Pamela Melroy if named will be a great choice.
Zamka will be the obviously alternative.
Naturally, pilot will be Virts.
Other possible candidates:
Metcalf Lindenburger, Dutton, Nespoli.
I think STS-130 could be a seven member crew.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: wjbarnett on 09/16/2008 02:39 PM
Interesting Steve Lindsey Quote: “One of my objectives is to get everyone in the office flown by 2010,” Lindsey said. “And my current projection is we’re going to be easily able to do that.”

See full article at: http://www.space.com/news/080916-nasa50-spacecorps-future.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 09/16/2008 07:28 PM
Interesting Steve Lindsey Quote: “One of my objectives is to get everyone in the office flown by 2010,” Lindsey said. “And my current projection is we’re going to be easily able to do that.”

See full article at: http://www.space.com/news/080916-nasa50-spacecorps-future.html

"There are about 90 astronauts on NASA’s flight roster today, with less than six still waiting for that first assignment to a space-bound crew"

If you take into account that the STS 129 crew hasn't been officially announced, six astronauts can be said to lack flight assignments (Virts, Wilmore, Dutton, Bresnik, Satcher and Metcalf-Lindenberger). That essentially confirms that Caldiero and Cagle won't be flying.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 09/17/2008 08:23 AM
That essentially confirms that Caldiero and Cagle won't be flying.

Do we need a confirmation about that?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 09/17/2008 09:12 AM
That essentially confirms that Caldiero and Cagle won't be flying.

Do we need a confirmation about that?

No.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 09/18/2008 09:43 AM
That essentially confirms that Caldiero and Cagle won't be flying.

Do we need a confirmation about that?

No.

I thought so ... ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 09/26/2008 06:41 AM
I ask you if Naoko Yamazaki (Japan) is in line for a seat on the Shuttle, for one of the 2010 flights.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 09/26/2008 07:42 AM
I ask you if Naoko Yamazaki (Japan) is in line for a seat on the Shuttle, for one of the 2010 flights.

I think not -- at least, I haven't heard that even on L2.

Right now, she does not even seem to be assigned as an ISS back-up, so actually, her only chance to get a flight in 2010 would be as a regular, non-ISS rotation crew member of a shuttle mission. Wakata and Noguchi will be flying Soyuz missions to the ISS, though -- with Furukowa as a back-up candidate. At least, that is what spacefacts.de says. But they have been wrong before.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 09/26/2008 12:43 PM
Perhaps Yamazaki will backup Furukawa on his own expedition?

I personally think Zamka would be the obvious choice to command STS-130, together with Virts, an EVA specialist (Sellers? Mastracchio?) and probably Nespoli. I wonder if the last two NASA rookies (Dutton and Metcalf-Lindenburger) will be used on the same flight or spread across two flights? Are there any rules on the number of rookies on a particular flight, in terms of mission complexity etc? (It was interesting, for example, that the complex 1J mission only had two veterans).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 09/26/2008 12:53 PM
Are there any rules on the number of rookies on a particular flight, in terms of mission complexity etc?
No.  Because there are no rules and no logic.  You keep asking and the answer is always the same
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 09/30/2008 07:45 PM
RELEASE: 08-250

NASA ASSIGNS CREW FOR SPACE SHUTTLE DISCOVERY'S STS-129 MISSION

WASHINGTON -- NASA has assigned the crew for space shuttle Discovery's
STS-129 mission. The flight will deliver two experiment racks to the
International Space Station.

Marine Col. Charlie Hobaugh will command the mission, which is
targeted to launch in October 2009. Navy Capt. Barry Wilmore will
serve as the pilot. Mission Specialists are Robert Satcher, Navy
Capt. Michael Foreman, Marine Lt. Col. Randy Bresnik and Leland
Melvin. Wilmore, Satcher and Bresnik will be making their first trips
to space.

The mission will return Canadian Space Agency astronaut and station
crew member Robert Thirsk to Earth. This is slated to be the final
space shuttle crew rotation flight to or from the space station.

Discovery will deliver parts to the space station, including two spare
gyroscopes. The mission will feature four spacewalks.
Hobaugh flew as the pilot on STS-104 in 2001 and STS-118 in 2007. He
was born in Bar Harbor, Maine. Hobaugh earned a bachelor's degree in
aerospace engineering from the U.S. Naval Academy. He was selected as
an astronaut in 1996.

Wilmore was born in Murfreesboro, Tenn., and grew up in Mt. Juliet. He
has bachelor's and master's degrees in electrical engineering from
Tennessee Technological University, and a master's degree in aviation
systems from University of Tennessee. He was selected as an astronaut
in 2000.

Foreman was born in Columbus, Ohio, but considers Wadsworth his
hometown. He earned a bachelor's degree in aerospace engineering from
the U.S. Naval Academy and a master's degree in aeronautical
engineering from the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School. Foreman flew as
a mission specialist on STS-123 in 2008 and performed three
spacewalks. He was selected as an astronaut in 1998.

Satcher was selected as an astronaut in 2004. He earned a doctorate in
chemical engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
He also is a graduate of Harvard Medical School. He was born in
Hampton, Va.

Bresnik, also selected as an astronaut in 2004. He was born in Fort
Knox, Ky., but considers Santa Monica, Calif., his hometown. Bresnik
earned a bachelor's degree in mathematics from The Citadel and a
master's degree in aviation systems from the University of Tennessee.

Melvin flew as a mission specialist on the STS-122 mission in 2008. He
was born in Lynchburg, Va. Melvin earned a bachelor's degree in
chemistry from the University of Richmond and a master's degree in
materials science engineering from the University of Virginia. He was
selected as an astronaut in 1998.

Thirsk will be concluding his long-duration stay on the station when
STS-129 launches. He is scheduled to arrive at the complex in May
2009 aboard a Soyuz spacecraft and serve as a flight engineer during
parts of Expeditions 20 and 21.

Video of the STS-129 crew members will air on NASA Television's Video
File. For downlink and scheduling information and links to streaming
video, visit:


http://www.nasa.gov/ntv


For complete astronaut biographical information, visit:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios


For more information about NASA's Space Shuttle Program, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/shuttle
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 10/19/2008 07:15 PM
Any educated guesses on the flight crew for STS-130?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 10/19/2008 07:25 PM
Any educated guesses on the flight crew for STS-130?

Nope, we'll be waiting for hard info.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 10/25/2008 05:36 PM
The only info for STS-130 is that there will be an Italian astronaut from ESA.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 10/25/2008 07:09 PM
Based on that though, you know either Vittori or Nespoli will be assigned to the crew.  Couldn't it also be a safe assumption that Terry Virts will be assigned to the crew as the pilot, being the only pilot from the 2000 group who hasn't been assigned to a flight.  I think I also heard awhile back that Behnken was training in the NBL for work on Node 3, but I'm not sure if that means anything.  Surely even though the official crew announcement for this mission is probably 2 months away, some guess can be made towards the actual composition?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 10/25/2008 07:29 PM
The only info for STS-130 is that there will be an Italian astronaut from ESA.

I believe that the Italian astronaut will be Paolo Nespoli.
Obvioulsy I will be happy if Vittori will take the slot.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 11/01/2008 01:33 PM
Do you think that the election of Barack Obama could change the situation of Yvonne Cagle and allow her to fly in space ?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 11/01/2008 01:51 PM
Do you think that the election of Barack Obama could change the situation of Yvonne Cagle and allow her to fly in space ?

No. Why should it?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 11/01/2008 01:53 PM
Any educated guesses on the flight crew for STS-130?

CDR will most likely be Zamka.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 11/01/2008 02:26 PM
Interesting to see a pilot (Bresnik) flying as mission specialist on STS-129.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 11/01/2008 02:28 PM
Any educated guesses on the flight crew for STS-130?

CDR will most likely be Zamka.

PLT will probably be either Dutton or Virts.  They're the only two unflown pilots who aren't currently assigned to an upcoming flight.  Although, I could see Garan getting a slot since he flew as an MS on STS-124.  But those are just my $.02.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 11/01/2008 02:32 PM
Any educated guesses on the flight crew for STS-130?

CDR will most likely be Zamka.

PLT will probably be either Dutton or Virts.  They're the only two unflown pilots who aren't currently assigned to an upcoming flight.  Although, I could see Garan getting a slot since he flew as an MS on STS-124.  But those are just my $.02.

Garan won't get turned around that quickly.

My 130/131 CDR/PLT picks are Zamka/Virts and Poindexter/Dutton.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 11/01/2008 02:37 PM
Garan won't get turned around that quickly.

My 130/131 CDR/PLT picks are Zamka/Virts and Poindexter/Dutton.

Never said I thought Garan was the likely choice ;)  But yes, I think Virts and Dutton are the most likely picks for the flight.  I guess they won't recycle any pilots until 132/133.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 11/01/2008 02:49 PM
Do you think that the election of Barack Obama could change the situation of Yvonne Cagle and allow her to fly in space ?

Has a reason been stated as to why Cagle hasn't received a flight assignment?
I don't believe so.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 11/01/2008 02:52 PM
Any educated guesses on the flight crew for STS-130?

CDR will most likely be Zamka.

PLT will probably be either Dutton or Virts.  They're the only two unflown pilots who aren't currently assigned to an upcoming flight.  Although, I could see Garan getting a slot since he flew as an MS on STS-124.  But those are just my $.02.

Garan won't get turned around that quickly.

My 130/131 CDR/PLT picks are Zamka/Virts and Poindexter/Dutton.

I remember Steve Nagle flying as MS on STS 51 G in June 1985 and flying as PLT on 61 A in November of the same year...just 5 months later.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 11/01/2008 03:00 PM
Garan won't get turned around that quickly.

My 130/131 CDR/PLT picks are Zamka/Virts and Poindexter/Dutton.

Never said I thought Garan was the likely choice ;)  But yes, I think Virts and Dutton are the most likely picks for the flight.  I guess they won't recycle any pilots until 132/133.

That's correct. Lindsey has stated his goal is to get everyone in the office assigned by 131.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Orbiter on 11/01/2008 03:01 PM
It seems a reasonable bet for Zamka to be CDR of 130, Poindexter as CDR of 131,  Greg H Johnson as CDR of 132 is also a possibility.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 11/01/2008 03:03 PM
Any educated guesses on the flight crew for STS-130?

CDR will most likely be Zamka.

PLT will probably be either Dutton or Virts.  They're the only two unflown pilots who aren't currently assigned to an upcoming flight.  Although, I could see Garan getting a slot since he flew as an MS on STS-124.  But those are just my $.02.

Garan won't get turned around that quickly.

My 130/131 CDR/PLT picks are Zamka/Virts and Poindexter/Dutton.

I remember Steve Nagle flying as MS on STS 51 G in June 1985 and flying as PLT on 61 A in November of the same year...just 5 months later.

That was then, this is now. The two PLTs who flew as MSes (Garan, Bresnik) won't get recycled until the rest of the first-timers are assigned, unless something drastic happens (like a health problem).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 11/01/2008 07:15 PM
My guesses...and that's all they are:

STS 130 - Zamaka, Virts
STS 131 - Poindexter, Garan
Jim Dutton as an MS on either 130 or 131.
STS 132 - Johnson, Boe
STS 133 - Melroy or Frick, Antonelli

Hopefully there will be an STS 134 flying to close out the program. Ken Ham could land a command. With the delays to the HST SM, I'd be really surprised if Greg C. (Ray Jay) Johnson got a flight as CDR.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 11/01/2008 09:08 PM
Not agreeing entirely with that.  If they fly STS-134, think the CDR/PLT assignments will go something like this:

STS-130: Zamka/Virts, Dutton as MS
STS-131: Poindexter/Garan
STS-132: Melroy/Bresnick
STS-133: Frick/Dutton
STS-134: Lindsey/Ham
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: billshap on 11/01/2008 11:42 PM
The biggest name missing is Jim Kelly.  He's long overdue for CDR assignment.  Some say he's been involved with Orion, but isn't that too far into the future?  Has he taken himself out of consideration, or are there other reasons why he hasn't flown since his second PLT slot on 114?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 11/02/2008 12:10 AM
Quote:  "...why he hasn't flown since his second PLT slot on 114?"

One of the (many) mysteries of flight crew assignments.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 11/02/2008 01:19 AM
The biggest name missing is Jim Kelly.  He's long overdue for CDR assignment.  Some say he's been involved with Orion, but isn't that too far into the future?  Has he taken himself out of consideration, or are there other reasons why he hasn't flown since his second PLT slot on 114?

He's been highly involved with Orion and its development.  His name is probably the first you'll think of when you wonder who will be flying on Orion.  It's not a stretch to think he'd give up a CDR slot to reserve a seat on Orion in advance.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nathan.moeller on 11/02/2008 01:22 AM
That's correct. Lindsey has stated his goal is to get everyone in the office assigned by 131.

Sounds pretty reasonable.  He's well on his way to achieving that goal.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 11/02/2008 01:38 AM
4 unassigned rookies with 2 flight assignments before that deadline, definitely doable.  Can definitely see the last shuttle flight consisting of a lot of astronauts who have seen a lot of flight time, kind of like an "all-star" crew.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 11/03/2008 02:34 PM
The biggest name missing is Jim Kelly.  He's long overdue for CDR assignment.  Some say he's been involved with Orion, but isn't that too far into the future?  Has he taken himself out of consideration, or are there other reasons why he hasn't flown since his second PLT slot on 114?

He's been highly involved with Orion and its development.  His name is probably the first you'll think of when you wonder who will be flying on Orion.  It's not a stretch to think he'd give up a CDR slot to reserve a seat on Orion in advance.

Actually, it _is_ quite a stretch to think that an astronaut would have to "give up" a Shuttle assignment in 2008-2010 in order to "reserve" a spot on an Orion crew.

I don't know why Kelly hasn't been recycled as a Shuttle commander, but Orion isn't the reason.  Assignment of astronauts to crews in that program is years in the future... and while Kelly, like many in the astronaut office, has had inputs into Orion development, he is not the branch chief (that's Ivins) or even -- according to the most recent info I have -- lead astronaut for any of the major technical areas (such as Morin, Mastracchio, Thomas).

In fact, Kelly has been chief of the capcom branch for at least a couple of years.

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 11/03/2008 03:24 PM
Has a reason been stated as to why Cagle hasn't received a flight assignment?
I don't believe so.

Actually, I do believe so. We've had lots of discussions regarding her flight status -- and also that of Caldeiro.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: billshap on 11/04/2008 02:33 AM
I agree with Michael's astute perception--that Orion is way too far off and that any worthy test pilot/astronaut type would not pass up a CDR spot for what is unpredictable many years down the road.  When picked the goal of every pilot is to fly, and to fly as a CDR.  A more pointed question is:  has Jim Kelly somehow fallen out of graces with the powers that be?  Has something happened or has he done something which cost him an assignment?  Everything I've read indicates he performed well on his two PLT flights and has not done anything to adversely affect his position.  Isn't Chief of the Capcom Branch a favorable assignment, one that would normally lead to being named to a crew? 
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 11/04/2008 03:10 AM
I agree with Michael's astute perception--that Orion is way too far off and that any worthy test pilot/astronaut type would not pass up a CDR spot for what is unpredictable many years down the road.  When picked the goal of every pilot is to fly, and to fly as a CDR.  A more pointed question is:  has Jim Kelly somehow fallen out of graces with the powers that be?  Has something happened or has he done something which cost him an assignment?  Everything I've read indicates he performed well on his two PLT flights and has not done anything to adversely affect his position.  Isn't Chief of the Capcom Branch a favorable assignment, one that would normally lead to being named to a crew? 

Three pointed questions, right back at ya:

1) Did Alan Shepard "fall out of graces with the powers that be" after his Mercury flight? Isn't Chief Astronaut "a favorable assignment, one that would normally lead to being named to a crew?"

2) Had various privacy laws, e.g. HIPAA, been in force in the 1960s, do you think we would have heard anything about the real reasons for Shepard's grounding prior to him being named to Apollo 13 (later 14)?

3) In the absence of such information, do you think the public might have engaged in wild speculation on the reasons for Shepard's grounding?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 11/04/2008 03:43 AM
Look for all we know about this situation, Jim Kelly may be the next surprise CDR assignment, there's up to 5 flights left.  For all we know the reason he may have not been given any flight assignment since STS-114 could be personal reasons.  Jeff Ashby gave up his slot as PLT on 85, because his wife was dying.  Hopefully it's nothing like that.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 11/13/2008 01:46 PM
Look for all we know about this situation, Jim Kelly may be the next surprise CDR assignment, there's up to 5 flights left.

Five? Could be a whole lot more. Imagine they extend to 2012 or 2013. Or maybe even to 2015. With a flight rate of three, that would amount to ten to 15 additional commander slots.

I begin to wonder if the 2009 guys (and gals) will eventually fly on the shuttle after all ...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 11/13/2008 04:25 PM
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20081112a2.html

Yamazaki confirmed for STS-131.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: erioladastra on 11/14/2008 01:00 AM
Not agreeing entirely with that.  If they fly STS-134, think the CDR/PLT assignments will go something like this:

STS-130: Zamka/Virts, Dutton as MS
STS-131: Poindexter/Garan
STS-132: Melroy/Bresnick
STS-133: Frick/Dutton
STS-134: Lindsey/Ham

Dutton is not on 130.  Garan is not on 131.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/14/2008 03:35 PM
Who will be 'next up' for a CDR slot from STS-132? I was under the impression that Johnson (with Gorie et al) will be busy until May 2009 providing STS-400 support, so presumably he can't start CDR Upgrade until he is 'stood down' from that mission?

So can we expect Melroy, Frick or Ham on STS-132?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 11/15/2008 11:59 PM
Who will be 'next up' for a CDR slot from STS-132? I was under the impression that Johnson (with Gorie et al) will be busy until May 2009 providing STS-400 support, so presumably he can't start CDR Upgrade until he is 'stood down' from that mission?

So can we expect Melroy, Frick or Ham on STS-132?

I'm not going to speculate on 132 or whatever, but I will note that Box Johnson could very easily start CDR upgrade training -- if he hasn't already.  Note that he would have been "trained" for STS-400 by early October.... he faces six months of refresher training, which should hardly keep him so busy he can't get ready for his next assignment. 

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kimmern123 on 11/16/2008 09:15 AM
Who will be 'next up' for a CDR slot from STS-132? I was under the impression that Johnson (with Gorie et al) will be busy until May 2009 providing STS-400 support, so presumably he can't start CDR Upgrade until he is 'stood down' from that mission?

So can we expect Melroy, Frick or Ham on STS-132?

I'm not going to speculate on 132 or whatever, but I will note that Box Johnson could very easily start CDR upgrade training -- if he hasn't already.  Note that he would have been "trained" for STS-400 by early October.... he faces six months of refresher training, which should hardly keep him so busy he can't get ready for his next assignment. 

Michael Cassutt

Mike Foreman was assigned to STS-129 and he's also on STS-400, so I agree with Michael that Box could easily undergo the CDR Upgrade training alongside his STS-400 duties.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 11/18/2008 07:23 PM
Yeah if 134 is flown I guess Box, Melroy and Lindsey will be shuttle commanders.

Or maybe Ken Ham instead pf Pam. She wasn´t very interested in flying again after 120 but I hope she does.



Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/18/2008 08:57 PM
I can't see Lindsey assigning himself as CDR. After all the furore about the four-flight rule and dumping astronauts like Wilcutt, Halsell, Gernhardt from missions they'd trained years to fly because (ostensibly) there weren't enough slots for the newbies, I don't think he could really justify giving himself a fifth flight.

My money is on Box, Melroy/Frick and Ham for the last few flights. I don't imagine Ray Jay will have time, given a May 2009 launch of STS-125, to do CDR Upgrade and receive a command before STS-134.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 11/18/2008 09:54 PM
Yeah maybe you´re right. We will see how it works out but I don´t think Wilcutt and Halsell would be happy to see Lindsey doing a fifth flight.

I agree with you that it looks like Box, Ham and one of Melroy or Frick will command the three last flights if they not extend it over 2010.
But I´m still interested to know why Jim Kelly hasn´t been assigned as commander. Orion can´t be the reason. That is too far away. Maybe we will never know.








Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 11/19/2008 08:51 AM
Whoever is commanding whatever flight: I hope they will assign Fisher to an MS slot on one of the final missions. Talk about linking the past to the present and future!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: MATTBLAK on 11/19/2008 09:54 AM
I'd LOVE to see Anna Fisher get one more flight!! -- she's sure waited long enough and would be the last of the class of 1978 still eligible to fly; unless they recycled Lucid or Hawley again (unlikely).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/19/2008 12:43 PM
Well, Hawley has retired now, anyway. He left NASA in May 2008.

I know astronauts always say that the job on the ground is equally (well, maybe not quite 'equally') exciting, but it does make me wonder why some of them stick around for so long with so little chance of ever flying. It must say something for their dedication!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: fdasun on 11/24/2008 07:24 PM
Maybe a bit off topic ... No backup crew since STS-4. If one of the primary crew cannot fly few days or hours before the launch, what can we do ? And how to mitigate such kind of risk ?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 11/24/2008 07:37 PM
I think they would probably just postpone the launch or bring in an alternate with up-to-date experience on a similar mission.

A few examples:

* STS-33 was postponed by three months when Dave Griggs was killed, providing extra training time for his replacement, John Blaha.

* John Creighton came down with a cold a few days before the STS-36 launch in February 1990...and the flight was postponed until he was recovered.

* Loren Shriver, Jim Wetherbee and Dave Hilmers were assigned as backups for STS-41, due to the narrow Ulysses launch window.

* I may be mistaken, but I think STS-42 was postponed from 1991 until 1992 when Sonny Carter was killed.

* Greg Harbaugh was trained as a backup for STS-61.

* Don Thomas broke his ankle a few weeks before STS-83 and NASA trained Cady Coleman (who had USML/MSL experience) as an alternate.

* Kent Rominger, who had previous SPAS/rendezvous experience, was brought in as a last-minute replacement on STS-85.

* Paul Lockhart, who had just flown an ISS mission and whose training was thus up-to-date, was brought in as a last-minute replacement for Gus Loria on STS-113.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 11/25/2008 05:36 PM
I think they would probably just postpone the launch or bring in an alternate with up-to-date experience on a similar mission.

A few examples:

* STS-33 was postponed by three months when Dave Griggs was killed, providing extra training time for his replacement, John Blaha.

* John Creighton came down with a cold a few days before the STS-36 launch in February 1990...and the flight was postponed until he was recovered.  [...]

* I may be mistaken, but I think STS-42 was postponed from 1991 until 1992 when Sonny Carter was killed.  [snip]


Negative in both cases.  STS-33 was pushed back prior to Griggs' death.  STS-42 was delayed a year (Jan 91 to Jan 92) by fleet problems in 1990.  Again, Carter's death was not the reason.

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 12/03/2008 05:11 AM
NASA just came out with the flight crew assignments for the next couple of ISS Expeditions, along with a new numbering system for them

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/nov/HQ_08-306_Expedition_crews.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Launch Fan on 12/03/2008 05:14 AM
That was a couple of weeks ago Green ;) Links on the ISS section.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/05/2008 04:05 PM
Presser on the 130/131 crews. Nick Patrick is NOT from North Yorkshire, he's from Teeside.

RELEASE: 08-321

NASA ASSIGNS ASTRONAUT CREWS FOR FUTURE SPACE SHUTTLE MISSIONS

WASHINGTON - NASA has assigned the crews for space shuttle missions
STS-130 and STS-131. The STS-130 mission will deliver a third
connecting module to the International Space Station and a
seven-windowed cupola to be used as a control room for robotics. The
STS-131 mission will deliver research and science experiment
equipment, a new sleeping area and supplies to the station in a
logistics module carried in the shuttle's payload bay.

Marine Col. George Zamka will command the shuttle Endeavour during
STS-130, targeted for launch in December 2009. Air Force Col. Terry
Virts, Jr., will serve as the pilot. Mission specialists are NASA
astronauts Air Force Lt. Col. Robert Behnken, Nicholas Patrick,
Kathryn Hire and Stephen Robinson. Virts will be making his first
trip to space.

Navy Capt. Alan Poindexter will command the shuttle Atlantis during
STS-131, targeted for launch in February 2010. Air Force Lt. Col.
James P. Dutton, Jr., will serve as the pilot. Mission specialists
are NASA astronauts Rick Mastracchio, Clayton Anderson, Dorothy
Metcalf-Lindenburger, Stephanie Wilson and Japan Aerospace
Exploration Agency astronaut Naoko Yamazaki. Dutton,
Metcalf-Lindenburger and Yamazaki will be making their first trip to
space.

Zamka was born in Jersey City, N.J., and grew up in several cities
including Medellin, Colombia. He received a bachelor's degree from
the U.S. Naval Academy and a master's degree in engineering
management from the Florida Institute of Technology. He served as the
pilot on STS-120.

Virts was born in Baltimore and considers Columbia, Md., his hometown.
He holds a bachelor's degree in mathematics from the U.S. Air Force
Academy and a master's degree in aeronautics from Embry-Riddle
Aeronautical University.

Behnken recently flew as a mission specialist on STS-123. Behnken
holds bachelor's degrees in mechanical engineering and physics from
Washington University in St. Louis. He also has master's and
doctorate degrees in mechanical engineering from the California
Institute of Technology. Behnken was born in Creve Coeur, Mo.

STS-130 will be the second flight for Nicholas Patrick, who flew as a
mission specialist on STS-116. Patrick was born in North Yorkshire in
the United Kingdom and considers London and Rye, N.Y., his hometowns.
He holds bachelor's and master's degrees in engineering from the
University of Cambridge and a doctorate in mechanical engineering
from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Hire will again serve as a mission specialist on her second
spaceflight. Her first was STS-90. She holds a bachelor's degree from
the U.S. Naval Academy and a master's degree in space technology from
the Florida Institute of Technology. She was born in Mobile, Ala.

Stephen Robinson is a veteran of three spaceflights. Flying on STS-85,
STS-95 and STS-114, he has logged more than 830 hours in space. He
was born in Sacramento, Calif., and holds a bachelor's degree in
mechanical and aeronautical engineering from the University of
California and master's and doctorate degree in mechanical
engineering from Stanford University.

STS-131 will be the second spaceflight for Poindexter, who served as
the pilot on STS-122. He graduated from the Georgia Institute of
Technology with a bachelor's degree in aerospace engineering. He also
has a master's degree in aeronautical engineering from the Naval
Postgraduate School. He was born in Pasadena, Calif.

Dutton joined NASA in 2004. His hometown is Eugene, Ore. He has a
bachelor's degree in astronautical engineering from the U.S. Air
Force Academy and a master's degree in aeronautics and astronautics
from the University of Washington in Seattle.

Mastracchio flew as a mission specialist on STS-106 and STS-118. He
was born in Waterbury, Conn., and earned a bachelor's degree in
electrical engineering and computer science from the University of
Connecticut. He also has master's degrees in electrical engineering
from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and physical science from the
University of Houston.

Anderson spent 152 days on the space station, as a flight engineer on
Expedition 15. He launched to the station as part of the STS-117 crew
and returned on the STS-120 mission. Anderson's hometown is Omaha,
Neb. He has a bachelor's degree in physics from Hastings College,
Neb., and a master's degree in aerospace engineering from Iowa State
University.

Metcalf-Lindenburger was selected as an astronaut in 2004. She was
born in Colorado Springs, Colo., and considers Fort Collins her
hometown. She has a bachelor's degree in geology from Whitman College
in Walla Walla, Wash.

Wilson was born in Boston. This will be her third spaceflight. She
flew as a mission specialist on STS-121 and STS-120. Wilson received
a bachelor's degree in engineering science from Harvard University
and a master's degree in aerospace engineering from the University of
Texas.

Yamazaki was born in Matsudo, Chiba Prefecture, Japan. She holds both
bachelor's and master's degrees in aerospace engineering from the
University of Tokyo. Yamazaki was selected by National Space
Development Agency of Japan (currently JAXA) as one of three
astronaut candidates in 1999 and joined NASA's astronaut candidates
for training in 2004.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jscott227 on 12/05/2008 11:40 PM
does this mean every unflown astro on flight status now has an assignment?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 12/06/2008 12:02 AM
does this mean every unflown astro on flight status now has an assignment?
The exception would be Satoshi Furukawa, who is currently the backup to Soichi Noguchi on Expedition 22/23.  That should eventually roll to a primary assignment.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: John44 on 12/06/2008 11:54 AM
NASA ASSIGNS CREWS FOR UPCOMING SHUTTLE MISSIONS STS-130 AND STS-131
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4566
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 12/07/2008 06:29 PM
Just throwing this out there, but, does anyone think there is a chance of a Russian flying on STS 132, which is scheduled to deliver the MRM?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 12/07/2008 06:35 PM
does anyone think there is a chance of a Russian flying on STS 132, which is scheduled to deliver the MRM?

There is no chance. It is obviously.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 12/07/2008 07:07 PM
does anyone think there is a chance of a Russian flying on STS 132, which is scheduled to deliver the MRM?

There is no chance. It is obviously.

How is it obvious?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 12/07/2008 07:29 PM
does anyone think there is a chance of a Russian flying on STS 132, which is scheduled to deliver the MRM?

There is no chance. It is obviously.

How is it obvious?

That I'd like to hear as well. These seats are not automatic; they are generally negotiated as part of the balance-of-payments agreement for the module in question. So if the Russians negotiated a seat on the flight that delivers the MRM, they will get the seat, no question.

If the Russians *didn't* negotiate a seat on that flight, they'll have to pay for it if they want one. That's been US policy ever since Russia started charging the US for Soyuz seats, and that's why you haven't seen any Russians flying on the shuttle since then.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jscott227 on 12/07/2008 07:41 PM
Didn't the Russians suspend flights on Shuttle after the Columbia disaster?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 12/08/2008 01:26 AM
I only ask because each ISS Shuttle flight that had a main task related to the Russian end of the station, carried up at least one cosmonaut: STS 96 (the Strela Crane was launched), STS 101 and 106 (outfitting of Zarya and Zvezda).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 12/08/2008 01:38 AM
I only ask because each ISS Shuttle flight that had a main task related to the Russian end of the station, carried up at least one cosmonaut: STS 96 (the Strela Crane was launched), STS 101 and 106 (outfitting of Zarya and Zvezda).

All three interim assembly flights took place prior to the arrival of the Shepherd-Gidzenko-Krikalev crew.  With 132, Russian expedition crew members will already be aboard ISS -- why would it be necessary to bring an extra cosmonaut there for 8-9 days?

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 12/08/2008 06:53 AM
I only ask because each ISS Shuttle flight that had a main task related to the Russian end of the station, carried up at least one cosmonaut: STS 96 (the Strela Crane was launched), STS 101 and 106 (outfitting of Zarya and Zvezda).

All three interim assembly flights took place prior to the arrival of the Shepherd-Gidzenko-Krikalev crew.  With 132, Russian expedition crew members will already be aboard ISS -- why would it be necessary to bring an extra cosmonaut there for 8-9 days?

Michael Cassutt

They did with Lonchakov on STS-101.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: geminy007 on 12/08/2008 06:59 AM
I only ask because each ISS Shuttle flight that had a main task related to the Russian end of the station, carried up at least one cosmonaut: STS 96 (the Strela Crane was launched), STS 101 and 106 (outfitting of Zarya and Zvezda).

All three interim assembly flights took place prior to the arrival of the Shepherd-Gidzenko-Krikalev crew.  With 132, Russian expedition crew members will already be aboard ISS -- why would it be necessary to bring an extra cosmonaut there for 8-9 days?

Michael Cassutt

They did with Lonchakov on STS-101.
Lonchakov was on STS-100
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 12/08/2008 02:51 PM
...so what was Lonchakov's role on STS-100? I thought that mission installed Canadarm2 and did no major work on the Russian segment?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 12/08/2008 03:18 PM
How is it obvious?

There is no need at all to pay US for useless flight of the Russian on STS-132. All tasks related to MRM-1 can be easily done by US astronauts. I hope it is more understandable now.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 12/08/2008 03:50 PM
How is it obvious?

There is no need at all to pay US for useless flight of the Russian on STS-132. All tasks related to MRM-1 can be easily done by US astronauts. I hope it is more understandable now.

Thanks anik :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DeanG1967 on 12/09/2008 03:19 AM
Good to see Mash Dutton getting on a flight.  I flew with him when he was stationed at Lakenheath.  Great guy.  Oh but do I have stories.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 12/10/2008 02:24 AM
I know this may not be the right thread, but is there anyway to find out who's doing the EVA's on the future flights that have been assigned crews?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: fdasun on 12/10/2008 03:42 AM
I know many have asked similar questions about Dr. Anna Fisher on this site.

As SSP is approaching its end, I really hope she can get a seat on STS-132 or 133 (or 134?). She has returned to "active" for many years. Unless she doesn't want a fly or technically isn't qualified anymore, it would be unfair to keep her on the ground for 14 years (since her return in 1996).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 12/10/2008 09:30 AM
STS-119: Swanson, Acaba and Arnold
STS-125: Grunsfeld, Massimino, Feustel and Good
STS-127: Wolf, Cassidy, Marshburn and Kopra
STS-128: Fuglesang and Olivas

I think.

Not sure about the others, but you can probably make educated guesses based on previous EVA experience.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 12/10/2008 02:41 PM
I know this may not be the right thread, but is there anyway to find out who's doing the EVA's on the future flights that have been assigned crews?
Ben E is correct, with the addition of Stott performing EVA 3 with Olivas on 128.  When the EVA's are known, anik will post them in this thread:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=61.795
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 12/11/2008 05:02 PM
Thanks for the info, have a few educated guesses for the upcoming assigned flights:

STS-129: Foreman, Melvin (Bresnik?)
STS-130: Behnken, Robinson (Patrick?)
STS-131: Mastracchio, Anderson
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TALsite on 12/13/2008 09:05 AM
A question for all of you :)

What is better?
-An athlete that runs two meetings before, but not in his favourite distance (Bresnik 129)
-Or an athlete that runs two meetings after, but in his distance (Dutton 131)
………..

I think I would wait to run my distance (Dutton 131)

Cheers.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 12/13/2008 09:52 AM
What do you mean?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TALsite on 12/13/2008 10:35 AM
Sorry I'm not good with English language...

I only wanted to say, that (I think) is better to wait, and flight as PLT.
It's only my oppinion.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 12/13/2008 10:56 AM
Sorry I'm not good with English language...

I only wanted to say, that (I think) is better to wait, and flight as PLT.
It's only my oppinion.

Oh I see! I didn't realise Bresnik was a PLT flying as an MS...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 12/13/2008 05:17 PM
Wonder if Bresnik opted to fly as an MS, rather than as a PLT? Perhaps he wanted an EVA? Or maybe he realised he'd never get a chance to command a Shuttle crew?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 12/13/2008 05:23 PM
Seems to me like it was a numbers game with Dutton and Bresnik. There was a goal by the Astronaut Office to have everyone fly by STS-131. If so, considering the PLT numbers, that means flying one of them as an MS. I don't see why they couldn't have held back on assigning Bresnik until STS 132

I can't see Bresnik rotating onto another crew in time for STS 132 or 133 as PLT, so members of the class of 2000 will probably serve as PLT's on those missions. Maybe if STS 134 flies he can get a PLT spot.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 12/13/2008 06:07 PM
Seems to me like it was a numbers game with Dutton and Bresnik. There was a goal by the Astronaut Office to have everyone fly by STS-131. If so, considering the PLT numbers, that means flying one of them as an MS.

Two, actually. Garan flew as an MS on 124.

Quote
I don't see why they couldn't have held back on assigning Bresnik until STS 132

Because 132 and 133, while likely to fly, are still not done deals. They are still technically listed as contingency logistics flights and, more importantly, they remain unfunded in NASA's budget projections. That is, a budget increase in FY2010 will be required to fly them. *That* is the reasoning behind Rominger's (later, Lindsey's) push to get everyone assigned by 131.

But it is important to point out that they asked for *volunteers* among the PLTs to fly as MSes. Bresnik had to choose between a sure thing flying as an MS on 129, or a chance of flying as a PLT on 132 - with a chance of having the rug pulled out from under him, Joe Engle-style, if the flight didn't get funded. He chose the sure thing. I can't blame him.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 12/13/2008 07:12 PM
Jorge, you're quite right. I'd completely forgotten that 132 and 133 are, as yet, not 'done deals'.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 12/14/2008 05:33 PM
I'd forgotten just how soon STS 132 and 133 became "done deals". I also suppose there is a worry that a new President could just pull the plug on those two, even if the flight hardware has been built, like Apollo 18 and 19.

I didn't know about the "volunteers" call and I really can't blame Bresnik for that. If he did volunteer as such, I'm sure he (and any other PLT who did) would be taken care of in some way by the Astronaut Office, such as flying on the hypothetical STS-134, or an early Orion mission if they hang in.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 12/14/2008 05:43 PM
With the shuttle retirement I'm sure PLTs like Bresnik are glad to get an assignment, whether they're flying as a PLT or an MS...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 12/14/2008 05:47 PM
I don't know about astronauts "being taken care of" by the Astronaut Office...I think, based on past experience, many will be obliged to make a choice: either stick around for years to wait for another flight or lose out. Think Dick Gordon and Apollo 18...he trained for years and lost his opportunity.

The way the flights are stacking up, I doubt that all of the Group 17 PLTs will get command slots before the Shuttle retires. There'll be no "taking care of" them. Unless the Shuttle is extended or they want to stick around for years or do an ISS increment, they're probably out of luck. It'll be a shame for Ray Jay in particular - the oldest-ever rookie Shuttle pilot, who will probably never get the chance to command.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 12/16/2008 01:07 AM
I just did a little research, and found that for astronauts in Groups 8 through 16, there were actually 14 astroanuts who flew as PLT and not as CDR.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 12/16/2008 01:19 AM
I also suppose there is a worry that a new President could just pull the plug on those two, even if the flight hardware has been built, like Apollo 18 and 19.


It's more likely that we'll see an extension of the Shuttle manifest, not a cut. Especially since President-elect Obama seems very keen on eliminating (or at least shortening) the gap between Shuttle and Constellation.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleAtlantis on 12/16/2008 06:20 PM
Any predictions on who the sts 132 crew might be?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 12/16/2008 06:43 PM
Any predictions on who the sts 132 crew might be?

I think Greg Johnson (123) will be CDR. As for the the rest of the crew, who knows? I hope Fisher gets an assignment though...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleAtlantis on 12/16/2008 07:24 PM
My vote for sts 132 CMD is (Pam Melroy) and PLT (Ken Ham),and i will go ahead and predict some of the mission specialists,(Stan Love),(Al Drew),(Piers Sellers),(Dan Burbank),and(Anna Fisher).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 12/16/2008 07:41 PM
My vote for sts 132 CMD is (Pam Melroy) and PLT (Ken Ham),and i will go ahead and predict some of the mission specialists,(Stan Love),(Al Drew),(Piers Sellers),(Dan Burbank),and(Anna Fisher).

I also hope Pam Melroy and Piers Sellers get another flight.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 12/16/2008 08:22 PM
My call for STS-132:
CDR: Greg Johnson
PLT: Ron Garan
MS: Anna Fisher
MS: Stan Love
MS: Al Drew
MS: Piers Sellers
MS: Lee Morin (Why not?)

-I know everyone is saying that Garan is going to be a Flight Engineer on a future ISS Expedition, but not believing it until I see a press release or something like it.  Would also suggest Burbank, but he's become part of management.   
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleAtlantis on 12/16/2008 08:36 PM
I would also like to see Stephen Frick get another flight as CMD.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: astronut7 on 12/17/2008 02:32 PM
Ron Garan has been assigned as a Mission Specialist for STS-130, so I don't think he will fly as a pilot for STS-132.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 12/17/2008 02:43 PM
That was a rumor a while ago, Garan isn't an MS on 130, double check your information:

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/dec/HQ_08-321.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 12/17/2008 04:37 PM
Are there any other recently-flown astronauts (Drew? Nyberg?) who may 'shift gears' to do expedition training? Is it a decision they make themselves or are asked to make?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 12/17/2008 06:44 PM
Is there any information that Garan has switched gears towards training for an expedition?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: dcfowler1 on 12/18/2008 07:16 AM
In the various service uniform regs, the astronaut designator can be added to any occupational badge.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 12/18/2008 09:07 AM
Is there any information that Garan has switched gears towards training for an expedition?

Garan is in line for Expedition 27 in 2011, according to
Anik post on 21 November, into: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=15056.0

Also, according to Robert Pearlman post on 12 November into: http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum30/HTML/000709.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 12/18/2008 04:01 PM
JAXA has announced yesterday (http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/12/20081217_iss_j.html) Satoshi Furukawa will perform six-month spaceflight on ISS since spring of 2011.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 12/18/2008 06:06 PM
JAXA has announced yesterday (http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/12/20081217_iss_j.html) Satoshi Furukawa will perform six-month spaceflight on ISS since spring of 2011.

Great! So now all JAXA astronauts have recently flown or have an assignment! :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jscott227 on 12/18/2008 06:45 PM
That should be everyone now! All astros on flight status have flown or have an assignment. Great job!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 12/18/2008 07:06 PM
That should be everyone now! All astros on flight status have flown or have an assignment. Great job!


Everyone? Wow, that is good! :D
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: anik on 12/19/2008 01:35 PM
JAXA has announced yesterday (http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/12/20081217_iss_j.html) Satoshi Furukawa will perform six-month spaceflight on ISS since spring of 2011

Important addition: he will be a crewmember of Expedition 28/29, i.e. he will be launched on the second of fourth Soyuzes in May 2011.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 12/27/2008 12:04 PM
Roberto Vittori will return to NASA JSC by January 5, 2009.
He will train for a probable future Shutte flight.
Vittori has told this a few days ago, at Naples, Italy.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 01/05/2009 01:46 PM
Wouldn't it have made sense for him to fly on STS-130, as Node 3 is being delivered on that flight.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 01/10/2009 07:51 AM
About Jim Kelly,  now JSC Astronaut Biographies web page reports him in this position:
Management - Chief, Astronaut Office CAPCOM Branch
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 01/10/2009 10:01 AM
About Jim Kelly,  now JSC Astronaut Biographies web page reports him in this position:
Management - Chief, Astronaut Office CAPCOM Branch

I guess that rules him out for a shuttle flight. I think he'll be first in line for Orion...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: collectSPACE on 01/10/2009 01:50 PM
In fact, Kelly has been chief of the capcom branch for at least a couple of years.

As noted by Michael in the 11/01/08 reply (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=740.msg328732#msg328732) to this thread (as quoted above), Kelly has been chief of the capcom branch for some time.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 01/10/2009 03:01 PM
In fact, Kelly has been chief of the capcom branch for at least a couple of years.

As noted by Michael in the 11/01/08 reply (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=740.msg328732#msg328732) to this thread (as quoted above), Kelly has been chief of the capcom branch for some time.

It's right.
However up to yesterday, the JSC Astronaut Biographies web page reported him as a active pilot, now he figure in a Management status.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 01/15/2009 06:21 AM
According to JSC, Astronaut Biographies Web Page, now Stephen Frick has taken a Management position into the Constellation Program.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Olaf on 01/15/2009 06:40 AM
According to JSC, Astronaut Biographies Web Page, now Stephen Frick has taken a Management position into the Constellation Program.

According to the same source Lee Morin has taken a Management position in the Astronaut office.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: faustod on 01/16/2009 04:20 PM
According to JSC, Astronaut Biographies Web Page, now Stephen Frick has taken a Management position into the Constellation Program.

According to the same source Lee Morin has taken a Management position in the Astronaut office.

And now, also Michael Gernhardt has taken a Management position in the astronaut Office.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 01/16/2009 06:13 PM
Do we know how recent these appointments are? Are they since the new year or has someone just made an effort to update the Astronaut Biographies home page over the last few days? Perhaps they'll get round to the individual bios soon. Most of them are hopelessly out of date!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 01/24/2009 07:15 PM
Are the flight assignments for 132 due out anytime soon, or are they waiting to see what happens with the shuttle program to see if it extended?  Miss seeing all the flight crew predictions.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 01/24/2009 09:48 PM
Flight crews are generally assigned about one years before the flight. Yes, I know that the STS-131 crew was already announced, but I would not expect to see a crew for STS-132 until late February/early March.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 01/24/2009 10:11 PM
I realize that, just like seeing what other people are thinking about the flight crews, and don't want to look moronic by just randomly posting predictions without any feedback.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 01/25/2009 08:38 PM
How many crew members will 132 and 133 have? Have they done crew-size planning yet?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleDiscovery on 01/25/2009 08:44 PM
How many crew members will 132 and 133 have? Have they done crew-size planning yet?

I think we'll just have to wait until the crew is announed, but it's likely to be 6 or 7 as usual... :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleAtlantis on 01/28/2009 10:18 PM
Is Satoshi Furukawa supposed to launch on soyuz tma 23, and if so has any one heard who will launch with him.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 02/08/2009 06:08 PM
Does anyone happen to know the EVA assignments for STS-129 and onwards?  Know this may not be the right thread, but still curious.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 03/03/2009 05:13 PM
NASA ANNOUNCES CHANGE FOR RETURN OF STATION CREW MEMBERS


HOUSTON -- The International Space Station Program has announced a
change in how two future crew members will return home. NASA
astronaut Nicole Stott and Canadian Space Agency astronaut Robert
Thirsk will swap seats on the space shuttle and Russian Soyuz
spacecraft to help ensure a timely homecoming for Thirsk.

Thirsk will launch to the station on a Soyuz in May and return to
Earth on that same vehicle in November, instead of aboard space
shuttle Atlantis at the end of the STS-129 mission. Stott, who will
launch to the station on shuttle Discovery's STS-128 mission, will
return aboard Atlantis with the STS-129 crew. She had been slated to
come home aboard the Soyuz that Thirsk now will occupy.

The change is in case of delays to future shuttle missions,
specifically STS-129, which currently is scheduled to launch in
November 2009. Such a delay could result in extending Thirsk's
mission beyond the six-month duration preferred for station crew
members.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleAtlantis on 03/04/2009 12:29 AM
I know they wont but it would be nice if the last three flights go something like this.

STS-132
CDR:Pam Melroy
PLT:Greg Johnson
MS:Anna Fisher
MS:Dan Burbank
MS:Stan Love
MS:Piers Sellers
MS:Al Drew

STS-133
CDR:Mark Kelly
PLT:Ken Ham
MS:Rex Walheim
MS:Steve Bowen
MS:Don Pettit
MS:Karen Nyberg
MS:Heidi Piper

STS-134
CMD:Chris Ferguson
PLT:Eric Boe
MS:Shane Kimbrough
MS:Scott Parasynski
MS:Garrett Reisman
MS:Dan Tani
MS:Mike Fossum

                                 
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 03/04/2009 03:22 AM
These are very rough predictions and are just for fun, worried about too much EVA experience on some flights, please comment and critique

STS-132                    STS-133                  STS-134
CDR: Greg Johnson      CDR: Pam Melroy        CDR: Chris Ferguson
PLT: Ron Garan           PLT: Ken Ham           PLT: Eric Boe
MS: Stan Love            MS: Steve Bowen      MS: Rex Walheim
MS: Anna Fisher          MS: Karen Nyberg      MS: Peggy Whitson
MS: Al Drew               MS: Mike Fossum       MS: Shane Kimbrough
MS: Garrett Reisman    MS: Dan Tani            MS: Piers Sellers
MS: Janet Kavandi      MS: Roberto Vittori     MS: Greg Chamitoff

Think this is relatively accurate, not sure about Ron Garan because of Expedition rumors, and wouldn't be surprised to see Mark Kelly on STS-134 if it flies, since Scott Kelly would be starting his Expedition tour around that time period.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/04/2009 06:53 PM
Yes, I'm wondering if some astronauts will switch back from station to shuttle side: ie Tani and Reisman. I honestly can't see them giving Ferguson a second command when Ham and the Johnsons (from the same group) will either get no second flight at all or a reflight as a PLT.

My guesses would be:

STS-132
CDR: Gregory H. Johnson
PLT: Eric A. Boe
MS: Daniel M. Tani
MS: Piers J. Sellers
MS: Roberto A. Vittori
MS: B. Alvin Drew, Jr
MS: Stanley G. Love

STS-133
CDR: Kenneth T. Ham
PLT: Dominic A. Antonelli
MS: Rex J. Walheim
MS: Garrett E. Reisman
MS: Karen L. Nyberg
MS: Stephen G. Bowen
MS: R. Shane Kimbrough

Don't even want to speculate on STS-134. Maybe Melroy or Kelly as CDR? I doubt that Gregory C. Johnson could recycle from STS-125 in time for a CDR slot. It's fun to speculate!

Let's hope we'll soon see how close - or far - we were from the truth!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleAtlantis on 03/05/2009 12:45 AM
Is there a chance Scott Parazynski or Mike Foale will get assigned to one of the last three shuttle missions?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: MBK004 on 03/05/2009 02:10 AM
Is there a chance Scott Parazynski or Mike Foale will get assigned to one of the last three shuttle missions?
I doubt Mike Foale will get another assignment. He's already had six trips to space including two long-duration missions. If he were to get another trip, I would expect it would be a long-duration mission.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 03/05/2009 03:17 AM
Is there a chance Scott Parazynski or Mike Foale will get assigned to one of the last three shuttle missions?
Parazynski's also a long shot, since he's already flown 4 flights, and their seems to be an unspoken 4-flight max rule post Columbia, may be wrong though
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 03/05/2009 07:27 PM
Is there a chance Scott Parazynski or Mike Foale will get assigned to one of the last three shuttle missions?
Parazynski's also a long shot, since he's already flown 4 flights, and their seems to be an unspoken 4-flight max rule post Columbia, may be wrong though

He actually is one of two that it seems an exception to the rule was made for. STS-120 was Parazynski's fifth flight. John Grunsfeld will be making his fifth as well on STS-125. I doubt Parazynski will be making another.

Does the "four flights" rule apply to shuttle missions only? If so, maybe they have chances at ISS Expeditions.

Mike Gernhardt should get a fifth flight in my book. He was on the roster for STS-119 for so long...I don't know if him leaving the flight was his call or not, but with everyone having flown by STS-131, he deserves another shot. Besides, one of those four flights he had was basically a repeat that got right what went wrong during the first attempt (STS 83/STS 94).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 03/06/2009 12:06 PM
I remember reading an interview with Jerry Ross, just before he flew STS-110, in which he was asked if he expected his seven-flight record to stand for a long time. He replied that it would worry him if it did stand unchallenged for a long time, because it would indicate that progress was not being made on getting people into space more frequently.

Looks like the very thing Ross feared might happen IS actually happening.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TALsite on 03/06/2009 12:59 PM
please comment and critique

STS-132                    STS-133                  STS-134
CDR: Greg Johnson      CDR: Pam Melroy        CDR: Chris Ferguson
PLT: Ron Garan           PLT: Ken Ham           PLT: Eric Boe

I think they never repeat the same pair (Ferguson-Boe) of CDR/PLT, except for the STS83 / STS94 reflight.

I’d like to see Peggy WHITSON in one of the latest shuttle flights.   She has flied twice but only in Soyuz. 
Just for tasting a smooth landing… ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: The-Hammer on 03/06/2009 01:16 PM
I’d like to see Peggy WHITSON in one of the latest shuttle flights.   She has flied twice but only in Soyuz. 
Just for tasting a smooth landing… ;)

Actually, her first flight was with Expedition 5 when full crew rotations were still on the shuttle. Expedition 5 launched on STS-111 and landed with STS-113.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 03/06/2009 01:41 PM
please comment and critique

STS-132                    STS-133                  STS-134
CDR: Greg Johnson      CDR: Pam Melroy        CDR: Chris Ferguson
PLT: Ron Garan           PLT: Ken Ham           PLT: Eric Boe

I think they never repeat the same pair (Ferguson-Boe) of CDR/PLT, except for the STS83 / STS94 reflight.

I’d like to see Peggy WHITSON in one of the latest shuttle flights.   She has flied twice but only in Soyuz. 
Just for tasting a smooth landing… ;)


Tom Henricks and Kevin Kregel flew as a repeat commander/pilot pairing (STS-70 and STS-78?) I think this was a deliberate exercise to see whether such an approach could improve flight crew efficiency or something. It was never adopted though.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 03/06/2009 07:31 PM
Tom Henricks and Kevin Kregel flew as a repeat commander/pilot pairing (STS-70 and STS-78?) I think this was a deliberate exercise to see whether such an approach could improve flight crew efficiency or something. It was never adopted though.

You could also count STS 83 and STS 94 (Jim Halsell and Sue Kilrain), though that was a re-flight of the same mission.

Deke Slayton's off-the-book's recommendation was to have a set of CDR-PLT teams that would stay together for several flights.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleAtlantis on 03/06/2009 09:45 PM
I doubt Janet Kavandi will get another flight considering she is in management.
These are very rough predictions and are just for fun, worried about too much EVA experience on some flights, please comment and critique

STS-132                    STS-133                  STS-134
CDR: Greg Johnson      CDR: Pam Melroy        CDR: Chris Ferguson
PLT: Ron Garan           PLT: Ken Ham           PLT: Eric Boe
MS: Stan Love            MS: Steve Bowen      MS: Rex Walheim
MS: Anna Fisher          MS: Karen Nyberg      MS: Peggy Whitson
MS: Al Drew               MS: Mike Fossum       MS: Shane Kimbrough
MS: Garrett Reisman    MS: Dan Tani            MS: Piers Sellers
MS: Janet Kavandi      MS: Roberto Vittori     MS: Greg Chamitoff

Think this is relatively accurate, not sure about Ron Garan because of Expedition rumors, and wouldn't be surprised to see Mark Kelly on STS-134 if it flies, since Scott Kelly would be starting his Expedition tour around that time period.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 03/06/2009 10:17 PM
I doubt Janet Kavandi will get another flight considering she is in management.
These are very rough predictions and are just for fun, worried about too much EVA experience on some flights, please comment and critique

STS-132                    STS-133                  STS-134
CDR: Greg Johnson      CDR: Pam Melroy        CDR: Chris Ferguson
PLT: Ron Garan           PLT: Ken Ham           PLT: Eric Boe
MS: Stan Love            MS: Steve Bowen      MS: Rex Walheim
MS: Anna Fisher          MS: Karen Nyberg      MS: Peggy Whitson
MS: Al Drew               MS: Mike Fossum       MS: Shane Kimbrough
MS: Garrett Reisman    MS: Dan Tani            MS: Piers Sellers
MS: Janet Kavandi      MS: Roberto Vittori     MS: Greg Chamitoff

Think this is relatively accurate, not sure about Ron Garan because of Expedition rumors, and wouldn't be surprised to see Mark Kelly on STS-134 if it flies, since Scott Kelly would be starting his Expedition tour around that time period.

Sorry, didn't realize that
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: spin613 on 04/16/2009 06:47 PM
someone just told me recently that Reisman was tentatively scheduled to fly again next summer but he may be opting out of NASA for a private sector gig.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Chris Bergin on 05/06/2009 10:02 PM
STS-132 Crew Assignments:

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2009/05/atlantis-ready-launch-countdown-sts-132-crew-assigned/
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: History Buff on 05/06/2009 11:05 PM
STS-132 Crew Assignments:

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2009/05/atlantis-ready-launch-countdown-sts-132-crew-assigned/


Good crew!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 05/06/2009 11:35 PM
STS-132 Crew Assignments:

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2009/05/atlantis-ready-launch-countdown-sts-132-crew-assigned/

SOLID crew!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Martin FL on 05/07/2009 02:10 PM
Veteran crew is a go!
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 05/18/2009 09:33 PM
RELEASE: 09-105

NASA ASSIGNS CREW FOR STS-132 SPACE SHUTTLE MISSION

WASHINGTON -- NASA has assigned the crew for space shuttle mission
STS-132, targeted for launch in April 2010. This flight will deliver
the Russian-built Mini Research Module (MRM1) to the International
Space Station.

Navy Capt. Ken Ham will command the shuttle Atlantis for this 11-day
mission. Navy Cmdr. Tony Antonelli will serve as the pilot. Mission
specialists are Navy Capt. Steve Bowen, Karen Nyberg, Garrett
Reisman, and Piers Sellers.

Ham was born in Plainfield, N.J. He received a bachelor's degree from
the U.S. Naval Academy and a master's degree in aeronautical
engineering from the Naval Postgraduate School. He served as the
pilot on the STS-124 mission, which launched on May 31, 2008.

Antonelli was born in Detroit and grew up in Indiana and North
Carolina. He holds a bachelor's degree from the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology and a master's degree in aeronautics and
astronautics from the University of Washington. He served as the
pilot on STS-119, which flew to the space station in March.

STS-132 will be the second mission for Bowen, who served as a mission
specialist on STS-126 in November 2008. He was born in Cohasset,
Mass., and has a bachelor's degree from the U.S. Naval Academy and a
degree of ocean engineering from MIT.

STS-132 also will be the second spaceflight for Nyberg, who served as
a mission specialist on STS-124. She considers Vining, Minn., to be
her hometown. She holds a bachelor's degree from the University of
North Dakota, and a master's and a doctorate degree from the
University of Texas.

This will be Reisman's second spaceflight. Reisman served as a flight
engineer on the space station for portions of Expeditions 16 and 17,
spending more than three months in space. He was born in Morristown,
N.J., and considers Parsippany, N.J., his hometown. He has a
bachelor's degree from the University of Pennsylvania and a master's
and doctorate degree from the California Institute of Technology.

Sellers will be embarking on his third spaceflight, having served as a
mission specialist on STS-112 in 2002 and STS-121 in 2006. He was
born in Crowborough, Sussex, United Kingdom. He has a bachelor's
degree from University of Edinburgh and a doctorate from Leeds
University.

Video of the STS-132 crew members will air on NASA Television's Video
File at 10 p.m. EDT. For downlink and scheduling information and
links to streaming video, visit:



http://www.nasa.gov/ntv


For complete astronaut biographical information, visit:



http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios


For more information about NASA's Space Shuttle Program, visit:



http://www.nasa.gov/shuttle
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 05/28/2009 09:40 PM
Nobody has done this for awhile so I guess I will try and start it: Two possible shuttle flights left (STS-133 and STS-134), whose the crew?  Think it will be some combination of this:

STS-133
CDR: Greg H. Johnson
PLT: Greg C. Johnson
MS: Rex Walheim
MS: Anna Fisher
MS: Stan Love

STS-134
CDR: Mark Kelly
PLT: Eric Boe
MS: Mike Fossum
MS: Megan McArthur
MS: Shane Kimbrough

(Other Possibilities: Steve Swanson, Mike Massimino)

Please add and critique
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Webhamster on 05/29/2009 01:04 AM
Nobody has done this for awhile so I guess I will try and start it: Two possible shuttle flights left (STS-133 and STS-134), whose the crew?  Think it will be some combination of this:

Anna Fisher seems to be a sentimental pick for longtime followers but I think that if she was going to get another flight it would have happened by now.  There's also some veteran commanders who could still be eligible for slots on these flights like Steve Frick and Pam Melroy.

Depending on the length of an extension (if it happens at all) I sometimes wonder if we could ever possibly see an odd case of a CDR being "demoted" to the PLT seat on one of those flights due to a lack of manpower...at the very least it could lead to a number of guys doing maybe 3 flights in the PLT seat (which has been done before).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 05/29/2009 01:54 PM
I can't see that there would be any need to demote a CDR to a PLT seat. There are plenty of candidates for PLT slots, no matter how long the extension goes on for. Even if we see an extension to 2015, you have all of Group 18 (7 pilots, excluding Garan) and Group 19 (2 pilots) who could be recycled into a second PLT flight. As for commanders, depending on how long the extension is for, I presume they would just keep recycling them in something more-or-less similar to their current order: Johnson, Kelly, Ferguson, Archambault etc...

I would hope, though, that poor Ray Jay will skip ahead and get his first command before Ferguson et al get their second. They are all from the same group, after all...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleAtlantis on 05/29/2009 10:21 PM
These are my guesses assuming sts-133 has five astronauts and sts -134 has seven:

STS-133
CDR:Greg H. Johnson
PLT:Eric Boe
MS:Dan Burbank
MS:Anna Fisher
MS:Stan Love

STS-134
CDR:Pam Melroy
PLT:Greg C. Johnson
MS:Shane Kimbrough
MS:Dan Tani
MS:Greg Chamitoff
MS:Mike Fossum
MS:Rex Walheim
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 05/31/2009 03:26 PM
I always found the topic of crew selection very interesting...going all the way back to the Gemini program.

For example, seeing Ed White command the back-up crew on GT-7 and have John Young go on to command GT-10.

And in the current shuttle program, having Tony Antonelli flying STS-119 this year and being assigned to a second flight next year...and at the same time Julie Payette just getting her second mission on "127", after waiting 10 full years.

Keeps us all guessing...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: OV-107 on 05/31/2009 06:57 PM
I don´t think Pam Melroy and Steve Frick will command new shuttle mission. Melroy wasn´t interested of flying again after 120 and Frick is in management now.

I guess the crew of STS 133 could be G H Johnson, Boe, Kimbrough, Chamitoff, Arnold and Acaba and a possible 134 could be ,
Mark Kelly or Chris Ferguson as cdr, G C Johnson as plt, Fossum, Swanson, Feustel and McArthur as mission specialist.

Well, let´s see how this finally works out......



Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 05/31/2009 07:13 PM
You're right about Frick but I wouldn't write Pam Melroy off just yet. Agreed, she seemed largely indifferent to flying again when the question was put to her but that was at a time when no one thought the veteran commanders would make more than one post-columbia mission - only for Mark Polansky and, particularly, Rick Sturckow to be given additional assignments.
Personally, I think Pam Melroy would be a shoo-in for the last mission (although that could be either STS-133 or STS-134 depending on what order they're flown in). There will be enormous interest in the final flight because it is the final flight, and Pam Melroy ticks all the right PR boxes. But as you say, we'll have to see...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleAtlantis on 05/31/2009 10:59 PM
Here is a list of all the astronauts who could get assigned to the last two shuttle flights, please let me know of any I might have missed.
                         
Commanders and Pilots
Mark Kelly,Pam Melroy,Chris Ferguson,Greg H. Johnson,Greg C.Johnson,Eric Boe

Mission Specialists
Anna Fisher,Stan Love,Dan Burbank,Rex Walheim,Mike Fossum,Greg Chamitoff,Shane Kimbrough,Dan Tani,Steve Swanson,Drew Feustel,Mike Good,Megan McArthur,Mike Massimino,Al Drew,Peggy Whitson,Ricky Arnold,Joseph Acaba,Roberto Vittori
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 06/01/2009 12:19 AM
Lee Archambault - CDR
Ron Garan -  PLT - don't believe he's been officially assigned to an ISS crew yet
Jim Kelly - CDR
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 06/01/2009 06:31 AM
Lee Archambault - CDR
Ron Garan -  PLT - don't believe he's been officially assigned to an ISS crew yet
Jim Kelly - CDR

Jim Kelly is in management.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 06/01/2009 02:42 PM
Lee Archambault - CDR
Ron Garan -  PLT - don't believe he's been officially assigned to an ISS crew yet
Jim Kelly - CDR

If Garan has an "official" (that is, announced) backup ISS assignment, he has a prime assignment, too.  (And it's Exp 27.)  Anyone going into the ISS training flow (which is still two years or more) is there to fly.

(This is for NASA astronauts.  Chris Hadfield was an Exp 20 backup and has no official prime crew assignment yet.)

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleAtlantis on 06/01/2009 04:58 PM
I meant to list Lee Archambault.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: astropl on 06/01/2009 08:17 PM
http://www.asc-csa.gc.ca/eng/media/advisories/2009/0601.asp

Space Serving Humanity
Canadian entrepreneur travels to space on philanthropic mission
Longueuil, Quebec, June 1, 2009 - Media representatives are invited to the Canadian Space Agency (CSA) for the announcement of the first philanthropic mission to the International Space Station by a private Canadian explorer, slated to launch with Soyuz TMA-16 crew this September.

The announcement will be made simultaneously in Moscow (Russia) and Longueuil (CSA Headquarters) and will take place on Thursday, June 4th 2009 at 9:30 a.m. EDT.

Live from Moscow will be representatives from Space Adventures and the first Canadian space explorer.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 06/01/2009 11:16 PM
Lee Archambault - CDR
Ron Garan -  PLT - don't believe he's been officially assigned to an ISS crew yet
Jim Kelly - CDR

If Garan has an "official" (that is, announced) backup ISS assignment, he has a prime assignment, too.  (And it's Exp 27.)  Anyone going into the ISS training flow (which is still two years or more) is there to fly.

(This is for NASA astronauts.  Chris Hadfield was an Exp 20 backup and has no official prime crew assignment yet.)

Michael Cassutt

Michael...looking over previous back-up assignments I noticed that ISS 4 back-up crew member Steve Robinson was never assigned as a prime crew member for an ISS crew.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 06/02/2009 12:24 AM
Lee Archambault - CDR
Ron Garan -  PLT - don't believe he's been officially assigned to an ISS crew yet
Jim Kelly - CDR

If Garan has an "official" (that is, announced) backup ISS assignment, he has a prime assignment, too.  (And it's Exp 27.)  Anyone going into the ISS training flow (which is still two years or more) is there to fly.

(This is for NASA astronauts.  Chris Hadfield was an Exp 20 backup and has no official prime crew assignment yet.)

Michael Cassutt

Michael...looking over previous back-up assignments I noticed that ISS 4 back-up crew member Steve Robinson was never assigned as a prime crew member for an ISS crew.
That was then.  Now, 'backup' crewmembers are folks in training for future increments.  As Michael said - "Anyone going into the ISS training flow (which is still two years or more) is there to fly."
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 06/02/2009 12:18 PM
Does anyone know who if Greg H. Johnson has gone through CDR Upgrade yet?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 06/18/2009 06:47 PM
Roberto Vittori will return to NASA JSC by January 5, 2009.
He will train for a probable future Shutte flight.
Vittori has told this a few days ago, at Naples, Italy.


Roberto Vittori will fly a Shuttle mission as an ASI astronaut, yes he is an ESA astronaut but he will fly for the Italian Space Agency... That is what I heard two days ago in Paris...the rumor is that he will fly STS-130...

So is it possible that he will be added to the STS-130 crew to bring Node-3 up ??

Or will he fly on 133 or 134 ??


Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 06/18/2009 10:06 PM
Roberto Vittori will return to NASA JSC by January 5, 2009.
He will train for a probable future Shutte flight.
Vittori has told this a few days ago, at Naples, Italy.


Roberto Vittori will fly a Shuttle mission as an ASI astronaut, yes he is an ESA astronaut but he will fly for the Italian Space Agency... That is what I heard two days ago in Paris...the rumor is that he will fly STS-130...

So is it possible that he will be added to the STS-130 crew to bring Node-3 up ??

Or will he fly on 133 or 134 ??




While I wouldn't be surprised if he got latched on with STS-130, I could also see him flying STS-133, especially if Donatello were flown, or if one of the MPLM's are attached permanently.  Is a permanent logistics module on the ISS for storage still a real possibility?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aquarius on 07/25/2009 12:18 AM
According to www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/  Stefanyshyn-Piper has retired from NASA.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Olaf on 07/25/2009 02:14 AM
According to http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2009/jul/HQ_09-176_Melroy_Leaves_NASA.html Pamela Melroy is leaving NASA too.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 07/25/2009 08:24 AM
According to www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/  Stefanyshyn-Piper has retired from NASA.

You are right!
"Captain Heide Stefanyshyn-Piper retired from NASA in July 2009 to return to the U.S. Navy at the Naval Sea Systems Command in Washington D.C."
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ChrisGebhardt on 07/27/2009 04:23 AM
Both Heide and Pam will be missed. They were just as professional as could be and did some fine work on the ISS.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleAtlantis on 07/28/2009 05:54 PM
Could we be expecting the sts-133 or sts-134 crew to be announced any time soon, or maybe they will both be announced at the same time. And does anybody have any more predictions of who they might be.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 07/30/2009 10:17 AM
Well, with Melroy gone, it reduces the options for CDR. My money is on one of the Johnsons to command.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 07/30/2009 10:22 AM
So all women astronauts are MS now ?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: kevind on 07/30/2009 12:58 PM
NASA may not be in too big of a hurry to assign the 133 and 134 crews.  Under all three of the Sally Ride options proposed to the Augustine Commission, the two flights could possibly be two years away.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 07/30/2009 03:31 PM
NASA may not be in too big of a hurry to assign the 133 and 134 crews.  Under all three of the Sally Ride options proposed to the Augustine Commission, the two flights could possibly be two years away.
I imagine they'll be planning for the 'what is' instead of the 'what if'.  There is precedent for that - Lindsey wanted to ensure that all rookies flew by 131 seeing at that time 132 and 133 were still officially listed as contingency flights even though it looked likely that they would fly. 
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 07/30/2009 06:48 PM
Hazarding guesses:

STS 134:
CDR: Greg H. Johnson
PLT: Eric Boe
MS's: Burbank, Love, Morin, Vittori, Kimbrough

STS 133:
CDR: Steve Frick or Mark Kelly
PLT: Gregory C. Johnson
MS's: Walheim, Fisher, Tani
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 07/30/2009 08:51 PM
My 2 cents:

STS-134:
CDR: Greg H. Johnson
PLT: Eric Boe
MS1: Mike Fossum
MS2: Megan McArthur
MS3: Stan Love
MS4: Greg Chamitoff

STS-133:
CDR: Mark Kelly or Chris Ferguson
PLT: Doug Hurley
MS1: Shane Kimbrough
MS2: Rex Walheim
MS3: Anna Fisher

- Honestly think the last two crews will look something like this, depending on the ascent performance margins for STS-130, I almost positive Roberto Vittori will be added to that flight.  Feel free to critique.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleAtlantis on 07/30/2009 11:49 PM
Here are my guesses:

STS-134:
CDR:Greg H. Johnson
PLT:Eric Boe
MS1:Dan Burbank
MS2:Megan McArthur
MS3:Stan Love
MS4:Shane Kimbrough
MS5:Rex Walheim

STS-133:
CDR:Mark Kelly
PLT:Greg C. Johnson
MS1:Anna Fisher
MS2:Dan Tani
MS3:Mike Fossum

Other possibilities are:Greg Chamitoff,Peggy Whitson,Mike Good,Drew Feustal,and Roberto Vittori.


Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 07/31/2009 06:55 AM
Surely the fact that the flights 'may' be two years into the future won't affect NASA assigning them. After all, some crews have trained for far more than a year for their flights. Look at the STS-125 crew...even without the delays caused by Hubble, it was always intended that they would train for at least 18 months.

My suggestion:

STS-134
CDR: Gregory H. Johnson
PLT: Eric A. Boe
MS: Daniel C. Burbank
MS: Daniel M. Tani
MS: Gregory E. Chamitoff
MS: Michael T. Good

STS-133
CDR: Gregory C. Johnson
PLT: Douglas G. Hurley
MS: Rex J. Walheim
MS: K. Megan McArthur
MS: Andrew J. Feustel
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 07/31/2009 07:18 AM
Vittori (ESA) will be on one of these two flights.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: WBeck on 07/31/2009 08:47 AM
There are some other non-rookie-flights:

STS-31 (Hubble)
STS-61 (First Hubble Service Mission)
STS-62
STS-76 (Third Shuttle-MIR)
STS-79 (Fourth Shuttle-MIR)
STS-80
STS-81 (Fifth Shuttle-MIR)
STS-82 (Second Hubble Service Mission)
STS-94 (STS-83 again)
STS-97 (P6)

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aquarius on 07/31/2009 11:08 AM
How many crew members are to be launched on STS-134, 6 or 7?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 07/31/2009 05:18 PM
I thought they were going down to five to maximize the upload mass on these final flights ?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 07/31/2009 05:44 PM
As of now, STS-134 is baselined  with a crew of six

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2009/06/sts-134-prcb-shuttle-ams-to-station/
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aquarius on 08/01/2009 10:46 PM
Can anybody tell me where to find the list of the management astronauts?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: wjbarnett on 08/02/2009 01:04 AM
Can anybody tell me where to find the list of the management astronauts?

Scroll down on this page (http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/astrobio.html)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 08/05/2009 06:16 AM
Today the Dutch newspaper "Telegraaf" reports that Andre Kuipers will fly in space again. launch with a Soyuz in december 2011:

In Dutch:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4545925/__Kuipers_gaat_opnieuw_de_ruimte_in__.html?p=3,1


Google translation:
http://translate.google.nl/translate?prev=hp&hl=nl&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraaf.nl%2Fbinnenland%2F4545925%2F__Kuipers_gaat_opnieuw_de_ruimte_in__.html%3Fp%3D3%2C1&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0=


Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: John44 on 08/05/2009 08:26 AM
Today the Dutch newspaper "Telegraaf" reports that Andre Kuipers will fly in space again. launch with a Soyuz in december 2011:


Good news. Andre Kuipers  was de backup voor the OasISS mission (Frank De Winne)

Biography
http://www.esa.int/esaHS/ESAMWUZUMOC_astronauts_0.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jester on 08/05/2009 09:37 AM
esa waking up ;)

http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMDZZUHYXF_index_0.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 08/05/2009 12:28 PM
Which also confirms Vittori for a Shuttle flight (STS-133 or STS-134 ?)

Quote
Roberto Vittori (I) is awaiting confirmation of his assignment to an ASI-owned flight opportunity on board the NASA Shuttle, possibly in the second half of 2010.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 08/05/2009 06:37 PM
Today the Dutch newspaper "Telegraaf" reports that Andre Kuipers will fly in space again. launch with a Soyuz in december 2011:
And from this thread:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=4962.0
it looks like Don Pettit will be his crewmate on Expedition 30/31.
Mike Fossum is assigned to Expedition 28/29.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/07/2009 05:40 AM
Why was Garan the flight engineer when he was trained as a pilot?

And, isn't he supposedly going to serve as an ISS Flight Engineer (which isn't unheard of for CDRs and PLTs but I was just wondering if it was affirmed)?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Davejfb on 08/07/2009 06:05 AM
Today the Dutch newspaper "Telegraaf" reports that Andre Kuipers will fly in space again. launch with a Soyuz in december 2011:
And from this thread:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=4962.0
it looks like Don Pettit will be his crewmate on Expedition 30/31.
Mike Fossum is assigned to Expedition 28/29.


I read on collectspace that astronaut Dan Burbank joins Expedition 29/30


http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum30/HTML/000709.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 08/07/2009 06:55 AM
esa waking up ;)
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMDZZUHYXF_index_0.html

Interesting. The release also mentions a long-duration flight by an astronaut from Germany in 2013 or 2014. That could be Schlegel, but I wonder if he will still be around. I assume it will more likely be Gerst.

When Cristoforetti made an appearance on TV5 in France, she mentioned that her group will start flying in "treize" or "quatorze". If my French does not fail me, that's '13 or '14. This should kind of confirm Gerst, would You not think?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 08/07/2009 09:12 AM
In view of the fact that there are (so far) only one or two more CDR/PLT slots available for Shuttle, are there any Shuttle pilots (other than Garan) under consideration for ISS expeditions?

Surely, if ISS expedition training requires at least 2 years, Gerst won't be available for the German slot. If Nespoli flies in 2010 and Kuipers in 2011, then the German will go in ?2012? That must mean Schlegel, as Gerst might not be ready by then?

Are there any more Canadians scheduled to fly? I assume that Hadfield is next in line for an expedition.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 08/07/2009 09:53 AM


Surely, if ISS expedition training requires at least 2 years, Gerst won't be available for the German slot. If Nespoli flies in 2010 and Kuipers in 2011, then the German will go in ?2012? That must mean Schlegel, as Gerst might not be ready by then?

The Germans were pushing very hard to get the "Kuipers" slot in 2011... I think they wanted Schlegel to fly first becouse of his age...

The new group of ESA astro's will begin training (as said before) in Septemeber for 1 1/2 years, and then 2 year ISS training... they will be ready at the end of 2013 to fly..so many things can happen, so I would not put my money on a German to fly first from this group...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/07/2009 01:49 PM
In view of the fact that there are (so far) only one or two more CDR/PLT slots available for Shuttle, are there any Shuttle pilots (other than Garan) under consideration for ISS expeditions?

Surely, if ISS expedition training requires at least 2 years, Gerst won't be available for the German slot. If Nespoli flies in 2010 and Kuipers in 2011, then the German will go in ?2012? That must mean Schlegel, as Gerst might not be ready by then?

Are there any more Canadians scheduled to fly? I assume that Hadfield is next in line for an expedition.

Most likely Hadfield.  By 2012, David Saint Jacques and Jeremy Hansen will have been certified as CSA astronauts…which means a little while of a wait until we can have full Canadian presence again…isn't it true that Payette could become an F.E. no sooner than 2011?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/07/2009 01:53 PM
What are the flight assignments for JAXA?

I know we have Noguchi on Expedition 22 or 23 as a Flight Engineer, but when will we see Satoshi Furukawa up there?  He isn't assigned to a shuttle flight, unless Steve Lindsey puts him on STS-133 or STS-134.  Yamazaki has a shuttle flight, which means she has to wait until 2012, no?  Also, the JAXA group of 2009 could be flying by 2013 is this correct?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 08/07/2009 03:41 PM
Satoshi Furukawa has already been assigned to Expedition 28/29 as a flight engineer

http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/12/20081217_iss_j.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/07/2009 03:47 PM
Satoshi Furukawa has already been assigned to Expedition 28/29 as a flight engineer

http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/12/20081217_iss_j.html

Oh. Okay.  Thanks much, did not know of this.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/07/2009 03:48 PM
one final question ––– will Andy Thomas, Mike Foale, or Mike Gernhardt ever fly again?  Gernhardt has 4 flights but none since 2001…
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 08/07/2009 04:27 PM
Two more flights left with no crew assignments out yet, with a good amount of people going over to ISS training who could have had those seats it's possible, but not real likely
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/07/2009 04:54 PM
I figured, but wasn't sure.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 08/07/2009 11:03 PM
Why was Garan the flight engineer when he was trained as a pilot?

Lindsey's goal was to get all shuttle astronauts assigned by STS-131 because at the time 134 didn't exist and 132/133 were "contingency" logistics flights that weren't guaranteed to happen. There were more pilots than PLT slots. So he offered MS2 slots to PLTs and Garan accepted.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 08/07/2009 11:04 PM

STS-134
CDR: Gregory H. Johnson
PLT: Eric A. Boe
MS: Daniel C. Burbank
MS: Daniel M. Tani
MS: Gregory E. Chamitoff
MS: Michael T. Good

Two out of six. :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 08/07/2009 11:07 PM
Here are my guesses:

STS-134:
CDR:Greg H. Johnson
PLT:Eric Boe
MS1:Dan Burbank
MS2:Megan McArthur
MS3:Stan Love
MS4:Shane Kimbrough
MS5:Rex Walheim

One out of six. :)

Quote
Other possibilities are:Greg Chamitoff,Peggy Whitson,Mike Good,Drew Feustal,and Roberto Vittori.

Ooh, you could have *almost* run the table... :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 08/07/2009 11:11 PM
OK, that's enough teasing for now.

One more clue: There is only one crewmember on 134 that *nobody* here guessed recently (either explicitly for 134, or for 133 or "other possibilities").
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/08/2009 02:20 AM
Why was Garan the flight engineer when he was trained as a pilot?

Lindsey's goal was to get all shuttle astronauts assigned by STS-131 because at the time 134 didn't exist and 132/133 were "contingency" logistics flights that weren't guaranteed to happen. There were more pilots than PLT slots. So he offered MS2 slots to PLTs and Garan accepted.

Oh, great, well that makes sense.  I gotcha, because the same happened with Bresnik (obviously) because he's about to launch, no?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 08/08/2009 02:24 AM
Wait you know, I have to know if you know who it is, don't mean to sound annoying, but i gotta to know

STS-134
CDR: Greg H. Johnson
PLT: Doug Hurley
MS1: Mike Good
MS2: Peggy Whitson
MS3: Drew Feustel
MS4: Roberto Vittori

STS-133
CDR: Mark Kelly
PLT: Greg C. Johnson
MS1: Mike Gernhardt
MS2: Anna Fisher
MS3: Shane Kimbrough

Please respond ASAP
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/08/2009 02:30 AM
Wait you know, I have to know if you know who it is, don't mean to sound annoying, but i gotta to know

STS-134
CDR: Greg H. Johnson
PLT: Doug Hurley
MS1: Mike Good
MS2: Peggy Whitson
MS3: Drew Feustel
MS4: Roberto Vittori

STS-133
CDR: Mark Kelly
PLT: Greg C. Johnson
MS1: Mike Gernhardt
MS2: Anna Fisher
MS3: Shane Kimbrough

Please respond ASAP

We don't know yet, but this is a possibility.  Doubtfully will we see Mike Gernhardt because he has 4 flights logged as is.  Your STS-134 manifest is an entirely possible option, but Morin or Walheim could be part of that lineup and these two crews could be intermingled (ie. Good/Whitsen/Kimbrough/Fisher or some other combination).  The pilot for STS-134 theoretically could be Barry Wilmore, but likely it'll be Doug.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/08/2009 02:33 AM
Why was Garan the flight engineer when he was trained as a pilot?

Lindsey's goal was to get all shuttle astronauts assigned by STS-131 because at the time 134 didn't exist and 132/133 were "contingency" logistics flights that weren't guaranteed to happen. There were more pilots than PLT slots. So he offered MS2 slots to PLTs and Garan accepted.

Which other PLT's were asked, any idea?  (Besides Bresnik)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 08/08/2009 02:34 AM
Wait you know, I have to know if you know who it is, don't mean to sound annoying, but i gotta to know

STS-134
CDR: Greg H. Johnson
PLT: Doug Hurley
MS1: Mike Good
MS2: Peggy Whitson
MS3: Drew Feustel
MS4: Roberto Vittori

STS-133
CDR: Mark Kelly
PLT: Greg C. Johnson
MS1: Mike Gernhardt
MS2: Anna Fisher
MS3: Shane Kimbrough

Please respond ASAP

We don't know yet, but this is a possibility.  Doubtfully will we see Mike Gernhardt because he has 4 flights logged as is.  Your STS-134 manifest is an entirely possible option, but Morin or Walheim could be part of that lineup and these two crews could be intermingled (ie. Good/Whitsen/Kimbrough/Fisher or some other combination).  The pilot for STS-134 theoretically could be Barry Wilmore, but likely it'll be Doug.

Jorge's hinting that he knows, forgot to tag his quote to the post, sorry
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 08/08/2009 02:37 AM
Why was Garan the flight engineer when he was trained as a pilot?

Lindsey's goal was to get all shuttle astronauts assigned by STS-131 because at the time 134 didn't exist and 132/133 were "contingency" logistics flights that weren't guaranteed to happen. There were more pilots than PLT slots. So he offered MS2 slots to PLTs and Garan accepted.

Which other PLT's were asked, any idea?  (Besides Bresnik)

I believe it was an open call for volunteers.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/08/2009 02:38 AM
OK, that's enough teasing for now.

One more clue: There is only one crewmember on 134 that *nobody* here guessed recently (either explicitly for 134, or for 133 or "other possibilities").

Clay Anderson?  Mike Barratt?  Tim Kopra?

____________________________________________________________
My guesses:

STS-134 Crew:
CDR: Greg H. "Box" Johnson
PLT: Eric Boe
MS1: Anna Fisher
MS2/FE: Gregory Chamitoff
MS3: Drew Feustel
MS4: Shane Kimbrough

STS-133 Crew:
CDR: Mark Kelly or Steve Frick -or- Dom Gorie (probs. unlikely tho)
PLT: Greg C. Johnson
MS2/FE: Peggy Whitson
MS3: Mike Good
MS4: Roberto Vittori
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/08/2009 02:40 AM

Jorge's hinting that he knows, forgot to tag his quote to the post, sorry

Now how could he possibly know…He sounds like he does

BUT how could he?

He work for NASA?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 08/08/2009 02:44 AM

He work for NASA?

yes, like many of us
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 08/08/2009 06:39 AM
OK, that's enough teasing for now.

One more clue: There is only one crewmember on 134 that *nobody* here guessed recently (either explicitly for 134, or for 133 or "other possibilities").
Oh geez, I'll bite.  My guess for 134:
Ferguson (or M.Kelly)
G.H.Johnson
Massimino
Vittori
Good (will Feustel go to ISS Exp because of his NEMO time?)
Chamitoff

for what it's worth.  I'm just glad AMS is a go.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 08/08/2009 03:16 PM
We don't know yet, but this is a possibility.  Doubtfully will we see Mike Gernhardt because he has 4 flights logged as is. 

Two astronauts did manage to slip past the "five flight" rule in recent history: Scott Parazynski and John Grunsfeld. With everyone assigned now, that rule could be out the window.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aquarius on 08/08/2009 04:10 PM
Can somebody explain to me why so many people in this thread think Anna Fisher´s going to fly?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/08/2009 06:18 PM
Can somebody explain to me why so many people in this thread think Anna Fisher´s going to fly?

I think she is.  It may seem unlikely because of her age, but listen.  She is an active astronaut, and she could still yet be assigned to a mission.  It says in her NASA Bio "awaiting an assignment as either a Space Shuttle crewmember on a Space Station assembly mission or as a crewmember aboard the International Space Station" and that page was updated in 2008.  That's relatively recent ––– Moschenko's hasn't been touched since '01.

That bio can be found at: http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/fisher-a.html
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/08/2009 06:20 PM
We don't know yet, but this is a possibility.  Doubtfully will we see Mike Gernhardt because he has 4 flights logged as is. 

Two astronauts did manage to slip past the "five flight" rule in recent history: Scott Parazynski and John Grunsfeld. With everyone assigned now, that rule could be out the window.

Then that seat could be given to Andy Thomas, as well, no?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 08/08/2009 09:06 PM
We don't know yet, but this is a possibility.  Doubtfully will we see Mike Gernhardt because he has 4 flights logged as is. 

Two astronauts did manage to slip past the "five flight" rule in recent history: Scott Parazynski and John Grunsfeld. With everyone assigned now, that rule could be out the window.

Then that seat could be given to Andy Thomas, as well, no?

One of those flights is in line with Expedition 25, where you would have Scott Kelly and Shannon Walker meeting up with Mark Kelly and Andy Thomas on a potential shuttle crew.  Good way to increase public attraction to the flight if you have two twin brothers and married couple meeting at the ISS.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Webhamster on 08/09/2009 01:56 AM
One of those flights is in line with Expedition 25, where you would have Scott Kelly and Shannon Walker meeting up with Mark Kelly and Andy Thomas on a potential shuttle crew.  Good way to increase public attraction to the flight if you have two twin brothers and married couple meeting at the ISS.

Maybe the twin brother thing could happen, but the married couple thing?  Never.  It's against policy and for good reason.  NASA would forever be dealing with questions and "theories" about the "200 Mile High Club".  They still have to deny that silly urban legend about STS-75 that was started 8 years *before* the flight even flew with an all-male crew.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 08/09/2009 03:00 AM
One of those flights is in line with Expedition 25, where you would have Scott Kelly and Shannon Walker meeting up with Mark Kelly and Andy Thomas on a potential shuttle crew.  Good way to increase public attraction to the flight if you have two twin brothers and married couple meeting at the ISS.

Maybe the twin brother thing could happen, but the married couple thing?  Never.  It's against policy and for good reason.  NASA would forever be dealing with questions and "theories" about the "200 Mile High Club".  They still have to deny that silly urban legend about STS-75 that was started 8 years *before* the flight even flew with an all-male crew.

Married couple has flown before, however they weren't together at the time the crew was selected.  STS-47, Jan Davis and Mark Lee: sidenote, airlock and Spacelab flight, plenty of spaces with potential for "privacy", haha
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 08/09/2009 03:11 AM
One of those flights is in line with Expedition 25, where you would have Scott Kelly and Shannon Walker meeting up with Mark Kelly and Andy Thomas on a potential shuttle crew.  Good way to increase public attraction to the flight if you have two twin brothers and married couple meeting at the ISS.

Maybe the twin brother thing could happen, but the married couple thing?  Never.  It's against policy and for good reason.  NASA would forever be dealing with questions and "theories" about the "200 Mile High Club".  They still have to deny that silly urban legend about STS-75 that was started 8 years *before* the flight even flew with an all-male crew.

Married couple has flown before, however they weren't together at the time the crew was selected.  STS-47, Jan Davis and Mark Lee: sidenote, airlock and Spacelab flight, plenty of spaces with potential for "privacy", haha

Nope, dual shift crew so there were always people working around those spaces. And the couple was on opposite shifts.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 08/09/2009 04:19 AM
What was the "silly urban legend about STS-75"?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 08/09/2009 04:41 AM
What was the "silly urban legend about STS-75"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_12-571-3570
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 08/09/2009 02:59 PM
One of those flights is in line with Expedition 25, where you would have Scott Kelly and Shannon Walker meeting up with Mark Kelly and Andy Thomas on a potential shuttle crew.  Good way to increase public attraction to the flight if you have two twin brothers and married couple meeting at the ISS.

Maybe the twin brother thing could happen, but the married couple thing?  Never.  It's against policy and for good reason.  NASA would forever be dealing with questions and "theories" about the "200 Mile High Club".  They still have to deny that silly urban legend about STS-75 that was started 8 years *before* the flight even flew with an all-male crew.

Married couple has flown before, however they weren't together at the time the crew was selected.  STS-47, Jan Davis and Mark Lee: sidenote, airlock and Spacelab flight, plenty of spaces with potential for "privacy", haha

Nope, dual shift crew so there were always people working around those spaces. And the couple was on opposite shifts.

Wasn't that also a unique case: namely, Mark Lee and Jan Davis got hitched during training? They weren't assigned to the flight as a married couple.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: cd-slam on 08/09/2009 04:16 PM
What was the "silly urban legend about STS-75"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_12-571-3570
Thanks, I was wondering what STS-75 might have to do with married couples in space, given that it was an all-male mission. Some people have way too much free time...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jim on 08/09/2009 04:36 PM
What was the "silly urban legend about STS-75"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_12-571-3570

never heard of it
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 08/09/2009 04:48 PM
One of those flights is in line with Expedition 25, where you would have Scott Kelly and Shannon Walker meeting up with Mark Kelly and Andy Thomas on a potential shuttle crew.  Good way to increase public attraction to the flight if you have two twin brothers and married couple meeting at the ISS.

Maybe the twin brother thing could happen, but the married couple thing?  Never.  It's against policy and for good reason.  NASA would forever be dealing with questions and "theories" about the "200 Mile High Club".  They still have to deny that silly urban legend about STS-75 that was started 8 years *before* the flight even flew with an all-male crew.

Married couple has flown before, however they weren't together at the time the crew was selected.  STS-47, Jan Davis and Mark Lee: sidenote, airlock and Spacelab flight, plenty of spaces with potential for "privacy", haha

Nope, dual shift crew so there were always people working around those spaces. And the couple was on opposite shifts.

Wasn't that also a unique case: namely, Mark Lee and Jan Davis got hitched during training? They weren't assigned to the flight as a married couple.

Yup, I think green013 mentioned that above.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 08/09/2009 05:18 PM
Any more word on the STS-133 crew?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 08/09/2009 05:23 PM
Any more word on the STS-133 crew?

No.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/09/2009 05:39 PM
We don't know yet, but this is a possibility.  Doubtfully will we see Mike Gernhardt because he has 4 flights logged as is. 

Two astronauts did manage to slip past the "five flight" rule in recent history: Scott Parazynski and John Grunsfeld. With everyone assigned now, that rule could be out the window.

Then that seat could be given to Andy Thomas, as well, no?

One of those flights is in line with Expedition 25, where you would have Scott Kelly and Shannon Walker meeting up with Mark Kelly and Andy Thomas on a potential shuttle crew.  Good way to increase public attraction to the flight if you have two twin brothers and married couple meeting at the ISS.

Ah, yes, so enough.  I wasn't thinking about that lol but that's a good point.  I understand.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: FNG on 08/09/2009 06:15 PM
OK, that's enough teasing for now.

One more clue: There is only one crewmember on 134 that *nobody* here guessed recently (either explicitly for 134, or for 133 or "other possibilities").

Mike Fincke has never got a shuttle flight, so I would include him alongside Greg Johnson as CDR and Dan Tani as another MS.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 08/09/2009 07:21 PM

Yup, I think green013 mentioned that above.

D'oh! That's what happens when you over-quote.  :P
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 08/09/2009 08:26 PM
Any more word on the STS-133 crew?

No.

Any word on when the STS-134 crew is officially coming out, ending the guessing game
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 08/10/2009 07:12 AM
Out of curiosity, how long does it take ISS astronauts to 'wind down' and be physically reconditioned after an expedition before they are eligible for reassignment?

I remember Mike Foale was assigned to STS-103 in August 1998, only 10 months after coming home from Mir and Clay Anderson and Garrett Reisman were named to Shuttle crews a year or so after ending their ISS increments - but is there a 'rule' that they must recondition their bodies for a certain length of time? I remember something about them requiring six months, but am not sure.

Thanks
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Spiff on 08/10/2009 10:17 AM
There is only one crewmember on 134 that *nobody* here guessed recently (either explicitly for 134, or for 133 or "other possibilities").

Sunita Williams?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/10/2009 01:05 PM
There is only one crewmember on 134 that *nobody* here guessed recently (either explicitly for 134, or for 133 or "other possibilities").

Sunita Williams?

Very smart, I thought of her but I think she's probs. the Deputy Director for good at this point…or at least for another several years…

I have a question ––- what ever happened to Vegas (Jim) Kelly?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ender0319 on 08/10/2009 02:08 PM
Here's my guess for the 134 crew…
Mark Kelly
Box Johnson
Drew Feustel
Mike Fincke
Greg Chamitoff
Roberto Vittori
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 08/10/2009 02:12 PM
Here's my guess for the 134 crew…
Mark Kelly
Box Johnson
Drew Feustel
Mike Fincke
Greg Chamitoff
Roberto Vittori


Aw, you cheated... :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Orbiter on 08/10/2009 03:29 PM
I think for STS-134 Eric Boe will get Command of.
For STS-133 I think Doug Hurley or Ray J Johnson will get that one.
Why? It seems that the PLT's from almost every mission starting with 115 got assigned with a CDR mission starting with STS-124.
Mark Kelly was PLT on 121, CDR on 124.
Christopher Ferguson was PLT on 115, CDR on 126
Mark Polansky was CDR on 116, CDR on 127 But I think Bill Oefelein would have commanded 127 if wasn't involved in that love triangle thing.
Lee Archambault was PLT on 117, CDR on 119.
Charles Hobaugh was PLT on 118, going to be CDR on 129.
George Zamka was PLT on 120, going to be CDR on 130.
Alan Poindexter was PLT on 122, going to be CDR on 131
Skipped over 123 it seems,
Ken Ham was PLT on 124, going to be CDR on 132.
So that means it wouldn't be surprising to see Eric Boe CDR of 134,
that means either Ray J Johnson or Doug Hurley will get the last flight. 'Course this is all just speculation but I found the slight pattern interesting.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 08/10/2009 03:41 PM
Jorge,
So Ham has not only skipped over Johnson for a second flight, but Ham also gets a command and Johnson stays a PLT? Was this Johnson's choice - can't imagine a PLT would want to NOT upgrade to CDR.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 08/10/2009 04:23 PM
Here's my guess for the 134 crew…
Mark Kelly
Box Johnson
Drew Feustel
Mike Fincke
Greg Chamitoff
Roberto Vittori


Aw, you cheated... :)

Wait....these are real?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 08/10/2009 05:32 PM
Here's my guess for the 134 crew…
Mark Kelly
Box Johnson
Drew Feustel
Mike Fincke
Greg Chamitoff
Roberto Vittori


Aw, you cheated... :)

Wait....these are real?
If Ender and/or Jorge say it is, then it is.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ender0319 on 08/10/2009 05:37 PM
Ooops.

I like being correct.

Here's my guess for the 134 crew…
Mark Kelly
Box Johnson
Drew Feustel
Mike Fincke
Greg Chamitoff
Roberto Vittori


Aw, you cheated... :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ShuttleAtlantis on 08/10/2009 05:41 PM
I can't believe that Mike Fincke is getting another flight this fast, I was really hoping Anna Fisher or Peggy Whitson would get assigned to this flight.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aquarius on 08/10/2009 06:10 PM
Ender0319, how about guessing the 133 crew?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 08/10/2009 06:21 PM
Jorge,
So Ham has not only skipped over Johnson for a second flight, but Ham also gets a command and Johnson stays a PLT? Was this Johnson's choice - can't imagine a PLT would want to NOT upgrade to CDR.

If so, I suspect its due to his role as STS 400's PLT. He may have been tied up in that role, while Ken Ham was able to go through his CDR upgrade training. I just figured that would result in him just getting skipped ahead of by Ham on the flight line, not still flying as PLT.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 08/10/2009 06:32 PM
Jorge,
So Ham has not only skipped over Johnson for a second flight, but Ham also gets a command and Johnson stays a PLT? Was this Johnson's choice - can't imagine a PLT would want to NOT upgrade to CDR.

As Jim would put it, "stop trying to make sense out of it." :)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Orbiter on 08/10/2009 09:12 PM
Ooops.

I like being correct.

Here's my guess for the 134 crew…
Mark Kelly
Box Johnson
Drew Feustel
Mike Fincke
Greg Chamitoff
Roberto Vittori


Aw, you cheated... :)

So wait, that's the crew for STS-134? Figures a Kelly gets another flight  ;)
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 08/10/2009 09:20 PM
I think for STS-134 Eric Boe will get Command of.
For STS-133 I think Doug Hurley or Ray J Johnson will get that one.
Why? It seems that the PLT's from almost every mission starting with 115 got assigned with a CDR mission starting with STS-124.
Mark Kelly was PLT on 121, CDR on 124.
Christopher Ferguson was PLT on 115, CDR on 126
Mark Polansky was CDR on 116, CDR on 127 But I think Bill Oefelein would have commanded 127 if wasn't involved in that love triangle thing.
Lee Archambault was PLT on 117, CDR on 119.
Charles Hobaugh was PLT on 118, going to be CDR on 129.
George Zamka was PLT on 120, going to be CDR on 130.
Alan Poindexter was PLT on 122, going to be CDR on 131
Skipped over 123 it seems,
Ken Ham was PLT on 124, going to be CDR on 132.
So that means it wouldn't be surprising to see Eric Boe CDR of 134,
that means either Ray J Johnson or Doug Hurley will get the last flight. 'Course this is all just speculation but I found the slight pattern interesting.


While we're all speculating, keep in mind that both Boe and Hurley are Group 18 astronauts as is Antonelli, who flew as PLT on 119 and chosen as PLT again for 132.
Both Johnsons are from Group 17 where it seems that only 1 flight as PLT was needed before flying as CDR (ie: Archambault, Ferguson, Ham, Poindexter, Zamka).
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: arkaska on 08/10/2009 09:42 PM
What's the chance for Christer Fuglesang to stay for 6 months on ISS?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 08/10/2009 10:09 PM
What's the chance for Christer Fuglesang to stay for 6 months on ISS?

He's just about to fly his second shuttle mission, so my guess that STS-128 will be his last flight, since you also have to account for the new group of astronauts joining ESA who are all training for Expedition flights down the line.  If by some chance he does get an ISS tour, it won't be for awhile down the line
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Rocket Guy on 08/10/2009 10:13 PM
NASA has confirmed the STS-134 crew in today's release for tomorrow's video file.

NASA ASSIGNS CREW FOR STS-134 SHUTTLE MISSION – JSC (NEW)   

NASA has assigned the crew for space shuttle mission STS-134 to the International Space Station. The flight will deliver the Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer (AMS), an experiment that will use the unique environment of space to advance our knowledge of the universe.

Navy Capt. Mark Kelly will serve as the commander of the STS-134 mission, targeted for launch in 2010. Air Force Col. Gregory H. Johnson will serve as the pilot. Mission specialists are Air Force Col. Michael Fincke, Gregory Chamitoff and Andrew Feustel. European Space Agency astronaut and Italian Air Force Col. Roberto Vittori will serve as a mission specialist.

The flight will include three spacewalks and the installation of the AMS to the exterior of the space station using both the shuttle and station arms. Once attached to the right side of the station’s truss, or backbone, AMS, a state-of-the-art cosmic ray particle physics detector, will search for evidence of exotic forms of matter elsewhere in our galaxy and beyond.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: astronut7 on 08/10/2009 10:35 PM
I was informed that Anna Fisher will not probably get another flight on the shuttle.  I could be wrong.  The STS-133 commander will be a shuttle veteran commander, but not sure who?  Jim Kelly is waiting for the Orion flights from what I heard from other members.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 08/10/2009 10:36 PM
All veteran crew for STS 134...albeit 2 shuttle rookies.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: TJL on 08/10/2009 10:38 PM
QUOTE..."The STS-133 commander will be a shuttle veteran commander, but not sure who"?

My guess...Chris Ferguson.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/10/2009 10:41 PM
Here's my guess for the 134 crew…
Mark Kelly
Box Johnson
Drew Feustel
Mike Fincke
Greg Chamitoff
Roberto Vittori

did you know all along?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: astronut7 on 08/10/2009 11:18 PM
I was also informed that the spacewalkers from the Hubble mission have a good chance on getting on the last two shuttle flights.  I think Mike Good will be on STS-133 and I think Chris Ferguson and Greg"RayJ" Johnson might be the pilot.  I could be wrong, but??
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/10/2009 11:26 PM
I was also informed that the spacewalkers from the Hubble mission have a good chance on getting on the last two shuttle flights.  I think Mike Good will be on STS-133 and I think Chris Ferguson and Greg"RayJ" Johnson might be the pilot.  I could be wrong, but??
It probably will be Mike Good.  Mike Massimino could fit this description, but that would be his 3rd flight and Good could have the 2nd flight in this event of his career.  We may see both, but I doubt it.  Obviously, as far as I'm concerned, Grunsfeld is out in terms of the mission specialist perspective.

Also, Mike Fincke got a shuttle flight and Peggy Whitson hasn't had one yet.  She is a very possible candidate for this mission.

Ferguson is a very realistic option and I would imagine that this is a probable choice, because he flew last in 2008.  Theoretically, however, couldn't it be Lee Archaumbault?  For that matter, I would also consider Steve Frick as a sincere option.

Here's my predictions:

STS-133 Crew
CDR: Chris Ferguson (3rd flight; 2nd as CDR)
PLT: Greg "RayJ" C. Johnson (2nd flight)
MSP 1: Mike Good (2nd flight)
MSP 2/FE: Peggy Whitson (3rd flight; 1st on shuttle)
MSP 3: Lee Morin (2nd flight)

Again, other candidates would be Rex Walheim [3rd flight], Megan McArthur [2nd flight] as MSPs; Lee Archaumbault [3rd flight, 2nd as CDR] or Steve Frick [3rd flight; 2nd as CDR]
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: astronut7 on 08/10/2009 11:45 PM
I was hoping that Greg'Ray J" Johnson would get the last command of the shuttle program but I was told that it is basically too late for him to get the command.  I think he might get the last pilot slot for STS-133.  STS-133 will be the last flight of the shuttle program and I think it will be an all Navy pilot crew(commander and pilot) just like STS-1 was an all Navy pilot crew. I think Mike Good has a good chance as well as some others for the mission specalist slots.  It will be a crew of five.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: astronut7 on 08/11/2009 12:00 AM
I was also informed that the STS-134 and STS-133 crews should be annonced realively soon and close to each other and I heard that Lee Morin was working on the Orion project.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: ezra1313 on 08/11/2009 12:11 AM
This is what I know...

Mike Good is replacing Karen Nyberg as MS-2 on STS-132 due to personal reasons which I will not mention as I don't know if they are public knowledge yet.

STS-134 crew looks like this from what I saw in an email today...

CDR -Mark Kelly

PLT -Greg Johnson

MS-1 Mike Fincke

MS-2 Greg Chamitoff

MS-3 Roberto Vittori

MS-4 Drew Feustel
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: MBK004 on 08/11/2009 12:31 AM

MSP 2/FE: Peggy Whitson (3rd flight; 1st on shuttle)
Peggy's first flight to the ISS was up and down on Shuttle.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 08/11/2009 12:33 AM
This is what I know...

Mike Good is replacing Karen Nyberg as MS-2 on STS-132 due to personal reasons which I will not mention as I don't know if they are public knowledge yet.

STS-134 crew looks like this from what I saw in an email today...

CDR -Mark Kelly

PLT -Greg Johnson

MS-1 Mike Fincke

MS-2 Greg Chamitoff

MS-3 Roberto Vittori

MS-4 Drew Feustel

Is Karen Nyberg married to Doug Hurley, heard that somewhere, not sure if it's true or not
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: collectSPACE on 08/11/2009 02:16 AM
Is Karen Nyberg married to Doug Hurley, heard that somewhere, not sure if it's true or not

At the STS-127 homecoming celebration at Ellington Field, Doug Hurley began his remarks by thanking his wife, Karen, adding "I think we're even now". So, yes...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 08/11/2009 07:21 AM
Surely, if ISS expedition training requires at least 2 years, Gerst won't be available for the German slot. If Nespoli flies in 2010 and Kuipers in 2011, then the German will go in ?2012? That must mean Schlegel, as Gerst might not be ready by then?

I am sorry, but I do not quite get Your point. The release states that there will be a flight of a German astronaut in the 2013/14 timeframe. That matches with the time frame in which the new group is supposed to start flying. So why should Gerst be ruled out? We are not talking about 2012 here.

The Germans were pushing very hard to get the "Kuipers" slot in 2011... I think they wanted Schlegel to fly first becouse of his age...

I would love to see Schlegel fly again, but I believe that the ESA release and the statement from the Italian lady imply differently.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 08/11/2009 08:16 AM
Any idea about the crew of STS-335 ? Will they assign a specific crew, or will they take a subset of a previous crew, such as STS-132 or STS-134 ?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/11/2009 02:01 PM
Okay, several things.

  Mike Good is replacing Karen Nyberg as MS-2 on STS-132 due to personal reasons which I will not mention as I don't know if they are public knowledge yet.
Is Karen Nyberg married to Doug Hurley, heard that somewhere, not sure if it's true or not

Now, if Karen can't fly and Doug is married to her, then does that mean we may not see him fly (not like that wasn't an alternative anyhow, but if there was an extension to the program I'd anticipate him to be the first pilot)

____________________________________________________________
I was hoping that Greg'Ray J" Johnson would get the last command of the shuttle program but I was told that it is basically too late for him to get the command.  I think he might get the last pilot slot for STS-133.  STS-133 will be the last flight of the shuttle program and I think it will be an all Navy pilot crew(commander and pilot) just like STS-1 was an all Navy pilot crew. I think Mike Good has a good chance as well as some others for the mission specalist slots.  It will be a crew of five.

He probably would have been assigned to this mission, but then Nyberg left STS-132 so that changes everything.

That said, here's my new predictions (of course, I keep changing them):
STS-133 Crew
CDR: Chris Ferguson (3rd flight; 2nd as CDR)
PLT: Greg "RayJ" C. Johnson (2nd flight)
MS1: Meg McArthur (2nd flight)
MS2: Peggy Whitson (3rd flight; 1st on shuttle)
MS3: Rex Walheim (3rd flight)

Other alternatives are Mike Massimino and Nick Patrick for MSPs, Doug Hurley (if Karen's absence isn't related to his in any way) or Eric Boe as PLT, and Brew Archaumbalt and Steve Frick for CDRs.

____________________________________________________________
Any idea about the crew of STS-335 ? Will they assign a specific crew, or will they take a subset of a previous crew, such as STS-132 or STS-134 ?

The answer to your question is that it will probably be Mark Kelly [CDR], Box Johnson [PLT], Drew Feustel [MS1], and Mike Fincke [MS2].

____________________________________________________________
Speaking of Nick Patrick, why hasn't he gotten a second flight?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 08/11/2009 02:04 PM
MS2: Peggy Whitson (3rd flight; 1st on shuttle)
MS3: Rex Walheim (3rd flight; 1st on shuttle)

Huh? Whitson flew on the shuttle and Walheim flew on the shuttle. What makes You think they have not yet?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/11/2009 02:06 PM
MS2: Peggy Whitson (3rd flight; 1st on shuttle)
MS3: Rex Walheim (3rd flight; 1st on shuttle)

Huh? Whitson flew on the shuttle and Walheim flew on the shuttle. What makes You think they have not yet?

She flew on it to get to the station, and I didn't mean to put that about Walheim.  He has only flown shuttles, my bad.  Whitson hasn't formally been part of a shuttle crew that has launched and landed together; only used it as a space ferry.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: aurora899 on 08/11/2009 02:12 PM
____________________________________________________________
Speaking of Nick Patrick, why hasn't he gotten a second flight?

Nick Patrick is assigned to STS-130.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/11/2009 02:19 PM
____________________________________________________________
Speaking of Nick Patrick, why hasn't he gotten a second flight?

Nick Patrick is assigned to STS-130.

Oh, forgot, so many people to think about, sorry.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ender0319 on 08/11/2009 02:23 PM
Knowing and being well informed are not the same in my book.  I didn't know for a long period of time.  I suspect Jorge knew before I did.

Here's my guess for the 134 crew…
Mark Kelly
Box Johnson
Drew Feustel
Mike Fincke
Greg Chamitoff
Roberto Vittori

did you know all along?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/11/2009 02:46 PM
Knowing and being well informed are not the same in my book.  I didn't know for a long period of time.  I suspect Jorge knew before I did.

Here's my guess for the 134 crew…
Mark Kelly
Box Johnson
Drew Feustel
Mike Fincke
Greg Chamitoff
Roberto Vittori

did you know all along?

True.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 08/11/2009 04:21 PM
RELEASE: 09-187

NASA ASSIGNS CREW FOR STS-134 SHUTTLE MISSION, CHANGE TO STS-132

WASHINGTON -- NASA has assigned the crew for space shuttle mission
STS-134 to the International Space Station. The flight will deliver
the Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer, or AMS, to the station. The AMS is a
state-of-the-art cosmic ray particle physics detector designed to
examine fundamental issues about matter and the origin and structure
of the universe.

Navy Capt. Mark Kelly will command the STS-134 mission. Retired Air
Force Col. Gregory H. Johnson will serve as the pilot. Mission
Specialists are Air Force Col. Michael Fincke, Greg Chamitoff and
Andrew Feustel. European Space Agency astronaut and Italian Air Force
Col. Roberto Vittori also will serve as a mission specialist.

The flight will include three spacewalks and the installation of the
AMS to the exterior of the space station using both the shuttle and
station arms. The AMS will be attached to the right side of the
station's truss, or backbone.

NASA also has named Air Force Col. Michael Good to replace Karen
Nyberg on shuttle Atlantis' STS-132 mission, targeted to launch in
May 2010. Nyberg is being replaced due to a temporary medical
condition. Nyberg will be assigned to a technical role while she
awaits a future assignment.

Kelly previously served as the pilot of STS-108 in 2001 and STS-121 in
2006, and commander for STS-124 in 2008. He was born in Orange, N.J.,
and considers West Orange, N.J., to be his hometown. Kelly has a
bachelor's degree from the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy, King's
Point, N.Y., and a master's degree from the Naval Postgraduate School
in Monterey, Calif.

Johnson previously flew as a pilot on STS-123 in 2008. He was born in
South Ruislip, Middlesex, United Kingdom, but graduated from Park
Hills High School in Fairborn, Ohio. Johnson has a bachelor's from
the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colo., and master's
degrees from Columbia University and the University of Texas, Austin.


Fincke is a veteran of two long-duration missions aboard the space
station. He served as the NASA science officer and flight engineer on
Expedition 9, and commander for Expedition 18. He was born in
Pittsburgh and considers Emsworth, Pa., his hometown. He has an
Associate Science degree from El Camino College in Torrance, Calif.,
two bachelor's degrees from the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology, and master's degrees from Stanford University and the
University of Houston - Clear Lake.

Chamitoff, also a veteran of a long-duration spaceflight, served as
NASA science officer and a flight engineer on Expeditions 17 and 18.
He was born in Montreal and grew up in San Jose, Calif. He holds a
bachelor's degree from California Polytechnic State University, a
master's degree from the California Institute of Technology, a second
master's degree from UHCL and a doctorate from MIT.

STS-134 is the second mission for Feustel, who flew as a mission
specialist on STS-125 in May. He has an Associate Science degree from
Oakland Community College, Mich., a bachelor's and a master's degree
from Purdue University, West Lafayette, Ind., and a doctorate from
Queen's University, Kingston, Ontario, Canada. Feustel considers Lake
Orion, Mich., his hometown.

Vittori is a veteran of two prior spaceflights to the space station
aboard the Russian Soyuz spacecraft. He was born in Viterbo, Italy.
He received his bachelor's degree from the Italian Air Force Academy
and earned master's degrees from the University of Naples and
University of Perugia.

This will be the second mission for Good, who flew on STS-125. He was
born in Parma, Ohio, and considers Broadview Heights, Ohio to be his
hometown. He holds bachelor's and master's degrees from the
University of Notre Dame.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jacqmans on 08/11/2009 04:21 PM
Press Release No.18-2009
Paris, 11 August 2009

ESA astronaut Roberto Vittori to fly to ISS in 2010

ESA astronaut Roberto Vittori from Italy has been assigned as a Mission Specialist to Space Shuttle mission STS-134, which is currently scheduled for launch to the International Space Station (ISS) in July or September 2010. This mission will deliver the Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer (AMS) to the Station. Vittori's flight opportunity stems from a bilateral agreement between the Italian space agency (ASI) and NASA involving the utilisation of the Italian-built Multi Purpose Logistics Modules.

It will be Roberto Vittori's third flight into space and to the International Space Station, but his first on the Space Shuttle. In April 2002, Vittori spent 10 days on the ISS performing a concise experimental programme. Three years later, he returned to the Station for another 10 days this time to conduct an extensive programme consisting of 22 experiments. On both missions Roberto Vittori flew as a Flight Engineer on the Russian Soyuz spacecraft.

"This assignment underlines once again the strong and long-lasting cooperation between the European Space Agency and the Italian space agency," said ESA Director General Jean-Jacques Dordain. "The choice of Roberto Vittori for this mission fits well with ESA's plans for the utilisation of its astronaut corps, with an experienced astronaut capable of performing missions that suit the needs of both ESA and ASI, as well as those of the Italian Air Force."

"Roberto Vittori's mission," said Enrico Saggese, ASI President, "represents a further achievement resulting from the bilateral cooperation between ASI and NASA, in the framework of the agreement on the utilisation of the Italian modules Leonardo, Raffaello and Donatello, with the important support of the European Space Agency, and confirms Italy's key role in what is such an ambitious international undertaking: the ISS programme."

"After the two Soyuz flights in 2002 and 2005 I am now looking forward to flying in 2010 on the Space Shuttle," said Roberto Vittori, adding, "The ISS has changed considerably in the last few years. Most importantly, Europe's Columbus space laboratory has been attached, allowing 
European scientists to conduct more and more experiments in conditions of weightlessness." Vittori will be the first ESA astronaut from Italy to have flown on both the Shuttle and Soyuz.

"I am very satisfied with Roberto Vittori's assignment to STS-134 along with the AMS experiment," said ESA's Director of Human Spaceflight Simonetta Di Pippo. "This is an important mission for science, for human spaceflight and for Europe and Italy in particular. As we demonstrate how critical the ISS can be in supporting great scientific quests, we are also marking two important achievements rooted in international cooperation: AMS, which is supported by 16 countries worldwide, and Vittori's assignment, which is made possible by the cooperation between ASI, which owns the flight opportunity, ESA and NASA."

"This is the second flight of a European astronaut scheduled for 2010," Di Pippo added. "We have flown astronauts regularly in the last few years, even flying two missions a year since 2008. We are working very hard to secure and carry out those missions for the benefit of Europe and ESA's Member States, and are committed to obtaining additional flight opportunities so as to exploit all our potential in terms of research, training and to gain even more experience. This assignment is further recognition of the level we and the European Astronaut Corps have attained and demonstrates the maturity human spaceflight has acquired in Europe. It is a very solid basis on which to prepare future cooperative undertakings in human spaceflight and exploration."

The STS-134 mission will be commanded by NASA astronaut Mark Kelly. NASA astronaut Gregory H. Johnson will serve as the pilot. Mission Specialists are NASA astronauts Michael Fincke, Greg Chamitoff and Andrew Feustel. ESA astronaut Roberto Vittori will also serve as a Mission Specialist.

The flight will include three spacewalks and the installation of AMS to the exterior of the Space Station. Once attached to the right side of the Station's truss, AMS will collect information from cosmic sources to search for evidence of anti-matter and further advance our knowledge of the Universe. Before its flight, AMS will arrive at ESA's research and technology centre, ESTEC, in the Netherlands in November 2009 to undergo an extensive three-month test campaign.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: SpaceInformer on 08/11/2009 05:40 PM
What´s up with an assignment of Frank Caldeiro? Selected in 1996.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/11/2009 06:40 PM
What´s up with an assignment of Frank Caldeiro? Selected in 1996.

Same with Yvonne Cagle, I have no idea why they didn't fly but they aren't going to be.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jhf on 08/11/2009 06:43 PM
What´s up with an assignment of Frank Caldeiro? Selected in 1996.

If you look back through the thread, you'll find it asserted that Caldeiro and Yvonne Cagle's fate have been repeatedly discussed on the forums, but a search for Caldiero or Cagle doesn't turn it up.  Perhaps it's on the L2 forums; I don't have access.

I can only speculate:

1. Cagle and Caldiero are always lumped together.
2. The general opinion seems to be that neither will ever fly.
3. No one wants to talk about it.
4. A book of dubious origin links Cagle to a minor scandal: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=7771.msg134206 (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=7771.msg134206)

So it seems that both are in the doghouse, and beyond a Dave-Wolf-style redemption.  I've seen no suggestion that their fates are connected in any way.

...come to think on it, perhaps the reason I cannot find the relevant posts is that they were deleted, out of concern for privacy.  That doesn't seem to make much sense, since it only leads to speculation, but again, I don't know the details.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/11/2009 07:07 PM
What´s up with an assignment of Frank Caldeiro? Selected in 1996.

If you look back through the thread, you'll find it asserted that Caldeiro and Yvonne Cagle's fate have been repeatedly discussed on the forums, but a search for Caldiero or Cagle doesn't turn it up.  Perhaps it's on the L2 forums; I don't have access.

I can only speculate:

1. Cagle and Caldiero are always lumped together.
2. The general opinion seems to be that neither will ever fly.
3. No one wants to talk about it.
4. A book of dubious origin links Cagle to a minor scandal: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=7771.msg134206 (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=7771.msg134206)

So it seems that both are in the doghouse, and beyond a Dave-Wolf-style redemption.  I've seen no suggestion that their fates are connected in any way.

...come to think on it, perhaps the reason I cannot find the relevant posts is that they were deleted, out of concern for privacy.  That doesn't seem to make much sense, since it only leads to speculation, but again, I don't know the details.

Hmmm.

By "clumped together" do you mean "often associated" (not correcting your word choice just I wanted to see what you meant).

By Dave-Wolf-Style, how do you mean?

Lastly, you have no details on Frank C.?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: jhf on 08/11/2009 07:58 PM
By "clumped together" do you mean "often associated" (not correcting your word choice just I wanted to see what you meant).

Whenever one is mentioned, the other is always brought up.  I have no reason to suppose this is for any reason other than that they are both active astronauts who it seems will never fly.

By Dave-Wolf-Style, how do you mean?

Dave Wolf was implicated in a scandal, then arrested for public intoxication.  From what I've read, he was pretty blameless on both counts, just in the wrong place in the wrong time.  A cloud settled over him.

He volunteered to fly to Mir  -- not many did.  He ended up being the next astronaut to launch to Mir after the collision with the Progress.  He never hesitated, and performed well.  He's flown two missions since then.

(Please note that, unlike some on these boards, I'm not connected to NASA in any way and I'm not privy to any sort of inside information.  I kind of feel uncomfortable about having brought Wolf up; it seems unprofessional to talk about what I wasn't a part of.  Perhaps that's why no one is talking about Caldiero and Cagle.

So: it made me think.)

Lastly, you have no details on Frank C.?

No.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 08/11/2009 08:51 PM
Awful for Karen Nyberg
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 08/11/2009 08:51 PM
Dave Wolf's account is well documented in 'Dragonfly' by Bryan Burroughs.  As for the others - most long time forum members have learned that a) they likely won't fly and b) the reasons are (rightfully) none of our business.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 08/11/2009 08:55 PM
I was wondering where I read it, I was thinking of either 'Dragonfly' or the Linenger book . Thanks.

Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 08/11/2009 09:47 PM
Awful for Karen Nyberg

everyone is guessing that her temporary condition is bad, but for all we know she could be pregnant, she's entitled to her privacy
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/11/2009 10:04 PM
Now I know I've mentioned this before, but no response.

Is there a possibility in Steve Frick taking the last shuttle mission?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Ben E on 08/11/2009 10:22 PM
Has Fincke trained 'recently' on Shuttle systems? Is it fair to assume that, since both his previous flights were exclusively Soyuz/ISS, he has not done Shuttle-specific Mission Specialist training for some time?

And if this is the case, how long does it take for an astronaut to get back 'up to speed', in terms of systems knowledge/training, if they are changing from ISS/Soyuz crewmember to Shuttle crewmember (ie Fincke) or Shuttle crewmember back to ISS/Soyuz crewmember (ie Pettit)? Can we assume (from Fincke's example) that it doesn't take too long...?

Also, linking back to comments about Jim Kelly and his involvement with Orion. Since Vegas last flew, Mark Kelly has/will have gone through no fewer than THREE one-year Shuttle training cycles (two of them as CDR). Others have gone through two-year-plus ISS training cycles, then reverted back to Shuttle for one-year training cycles (Reisman, Anderson, Chamitoff etc). With this in mind, it seems difficult to accept that Jim Kelly 'needs' to train/prepare/support Orion from 2005-2014 and 'needs' to be completely out of the Shuttle loop to do so. He could have commanded a Shuttle flight long ago and still had more than enough time to train for an Orion command.

Linked to this question: it may be too early to say, but how long does NASA anticipate Orion mission training cycles to last? One year (like STS)? Two to four years (like ISS)? More?










 
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Orbiter on 08/11/2009 10:23 PM
I think this is possible, at least judging by what NASA said about Karen Nyberg that she might get assigned to another missions. Orion or 133.

Commander: Steven W. Lindsey.
Pilot: Eric A. Boe
Mission Specialist 1: Karen Nyberg (if her condition isn't to serious)
Mission Specialist 2: Thomas Marshburn
Mission Specialist 3: Daniel C. Burbank
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: DwightM on 08/11/2009 11:11 PM

Mission Specialist 3: Daniel C. Burbank

Dan Burbank is assigned to Expedition 29/30.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/11/2009 11:50 PM
I think this is possible, at least judging by what NASA said about Karen Nyberg that she might get assigned to another missions. Orion or 133.

Commander: Steven W. Lindsey
Pilot: Eric A. Boe
Mission Specialist 1: Karen Nyberg (if her condition isn't to serious)
Mission Specialist 2: Thomas Marshburn
Mission Specialist 3: Daniel C. Burbank


How can Lindsey serve as a commander because he's not working directly as an astronaut, is he?  Also, since he makes the crews, wouldn't it be a bit weird to assign yourself?

Nyberg is likely Constellation material I would imagine but either way.  Let's give her her privacy.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Michael Cassutt on 08/12/2009 12:18 AM
I think this is possible, at least judging by what NASA said about Karen Nyberg that she might get assigned to another missions. Orion or 133.

Commander: Steven W. Lindsey
Pilot: Eric A. Boe
Mission Specialist 1: Karen Nyberg (if her condition isn't to serious)
Mission Specialist 2: Thomas Marshburn
Mission Specialist 3: Daniel C. Burbank


How can Lindsey serve as a commander because he's not working directly as an astronaut, is he?  Also, since he makes the crews, wouldn't it be a bit weird to assign yourself?

Lindsey could easily assign himself as commander for a mission to be launched a year from now.  Plenty of time to get ready.  He's been chief astronaut for three years, and that is close to the maximum tour.  He could be up for a job change.

"Weird to assign yourself"?  You ought to do more research in this subject.

Michael Cassutt
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/12/2009 12:33 AM
I think this is possible, at least judging by what NASA said about Karen Nyberg that she might get assigned to another missions. Orion or 133.

Commander: Steven W. Lindsey
Pilot: Eric A. Boe
Mission Specialist 1: Karen Nyberg (if her condition isn't to serious)
Mission Specialist 2: Thomas Marshburn
Mission Specialist 3: Daniel C. Burbank


How can Lindsey serve as a commander because he's not working directly as an astronaut, is he?  Also, since he makes the crews, wouldn't it be a bit weird to assign yourself?

Lindsey could easily assign himself as commander for a mission to be launched a year from now.  Plenty of time to get ready.  He's been chief astronaut for three years, and that is close to the maximum tour.  He could be up for a job change.

"Weird to assign yourself"?  You ought to do more research in this subject.

Michael Cassutt

That's not entirely what I meant.  I am saying would he actually do that?  I'm not saying that he can't but I'm just saying that with all of the speculation (in and out of NASA) wouldn't it be awkward in this situation?
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Jorge on 08/12/2009 12:56 AM
I think this is possible, at least judging by what NASA said about Karen Nyberg that she might get assigned to another missions. Orion or 133.

Commander: Steven W. Lindsey
Pilot: Eric A. Boe
Mission Specialist 1: Karen Nyberg (if her condition isn't to serious)
Mission Specialist 2: Thomas Marshburn
Mission Specialist 3: Daniel C. Burbank


How can Lindsey serve as a commander because he's not working directly as an astronaut, is he?  Also, since he makes the crews, wouldn't it be a bit weird to assign yourself?

Lindsey could easily assign himself as commander for a mission to be launched a year from now.  Plenty of time to get ready.  He's been chief astronaut for three years, and that is close to the maximum tour.  He could be up for a job change.

"Weird to assign yourself"?  You ought to do more research in this subject.

Michael Cassutt

That's not entirely what I meant.  I am saying would he actually do that?  I'm not saying that he can't but I'm just saying that with all of the speculation (in and out of NASA) wouldn't it be awkward in this situation?

What speculation?

Why would it be more awkward for Lindsey than it was for Deke Slayton, John Young, Dan Brandenstein, Hoot Gibson, Bob Cabana, and Ken Cockrell? (And that's probably not even a complete list of chief astronauts (FCOD chief in Slayton's case) who named themselves to flights at the end of their tenure as chief.)

I think it's highly *unlikely* he'll name himself, but it's not rare for it to happen.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Green013 on 08/12/2009 01:28 AM
I think this is possible, at least judging by what NASA said about Karen Nyberg that she might get assigned to another missions. Orion or 133.

Commander: Steven W. Lindsey
Pilot: Eric A. Boe
Mission Specialist 1: Karen Nyberg (if her condition isn't to serious)
Mission Specialist 2: Thomas Marshburn
Mission Specialist 3: Daniel C. Burbank


How can Lindsey serve as a commander because he's not working directly as an astronaut, is he?  Also, since he makes the crews, wouldn't it be a bit weird to assign yourself?

Lindsey could easily assign himself as commander for a mission to be launched a year from now.  Plenty of time to get ready.  He's been chief astronaut for three years, and that is close to the maximum tour.  He could be up for a job change.

"Weird to assign yourself"?  You ought to do more research in this subject.

Michael Cassutt

That's not entirely what I meant.  I am saying would he actually do that?  I'm not saying that he can't but I'm just saying that with all of the speculation (in and out of NASA) wouldn't it be awkward in this situation?

What speculation?

Why would it be more awkward for Lindsey than it was for Deke Slayton, John Young, Dan Brandenstein, Hoot Gibson, Bob Cabana, and Ken Cockrell? (And that's probably not even a complete list of chief astronauts (FCOD chief in Slayton's case) who named themselves to flights at the end of their tenure as chief.)

I think it's highly *unlikely* he'll name himself, but it's not rare for it to happen.

John Young actually did it twice, he assigned himself to STS-9, and STS-61J, which was the original flight to deploy the HST, but after Challenger, that flight got canceled, and he was basically blacklisted
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Webhamster on 08/12/2009 01:48 AM
Awful for Karen Nyberg

everyone is guessing that her temporary condition is bad, but for all we know she could be pregnant, she's entitled to her privacy

That was actually the first thing that crossed my mind when I read how the release was worded.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/12/2009 01:51 AM
I think this is possible, at least judging by what NASA said about Karen Nyberg that she might get assigned to another missions. Orion or 133.

Commander: Steven W. Lindsey
Pilot: Eric A. Boe
Mission Specialist 1: Karen Nyberg (if her condition isn't to serious)
Mission Specialist 2: Thomas Marshburn
Mission Specialist 3: Daniel C. Burbank


How can Lindsey serve as a commander because he's not working directly as an astronaut, is he?  Also, since he makes the crews, wouldn't it be a bit weird to assign yourself?

Lindsey could easily assign himself as commander for a mission to be launched a year from now.  Plenty of time to get ready.  He's been chief astronaut for three years, and that is close to the maximum tour.  He could be up for a job change.

"Weird to assign yourself"?  You ought to do more research in this subject.

Michael Cassutt

That's not entirely what I meant.  I am saying would he actually do that?  I'm not saying that he can't but I'm just saying that with all of the speculation (in and out of NASA) wouldn't it be awkward in this situation?

What speculation?

Why would it be more awkward for Lindsey than it was for Deke Slayton, John Young, Dan Brandenstein, Hoot Gibson, Bob Cabana, and Ken Cockrell? (And that's probably not even a complete list of chief astronauts (FCOD chief in Slayton's case) who named themselves to flights at the end of their tenure as chief.)

I think it's highly *unlikely* he'll name himself, but it's not rare for it to happen.

I know, I don't sound like an expert, and I know a lot about the shuttle program but next to you I look like I know absolutely nothing, I'm sorry.

I find it to be an opinionated matter, because I personally feel that it would be awkward.  Sure, maybe Bob Cabana and Cockrell and Danny B. and Gibson did this, but their colleagues had other chances to fly.  This would be the last flight, and as I see it, it would be a selfish move.  You may think it sounds incorrect, but again, I find it to be an opinionated matter, I think it would be slightly "selfish".  Reason being: no more scheduled shuttle flights post-133.  Maybe there's Orion, but that's not the shuttle and 4 years is a long wait for some.  Does it make sense when I say it this way.  That's my justification.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: Skylon on 08/12/2009 02:59 AM
I was informed that Anna Fisher will not probably get another flight on the shuttle.  I could be wrong.  The STS-133 commander will be a shuttle veteran commander, but not sure who?  Jim Kelly is waiting for the Orion flights from what I heard from other members.

That's no surprise. Isn't it almost an unwritten rule that you don't go up at age 60+? Anna Fisher will be 61 next year. As I understand that's what happened with Story Musgrave.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: orbiter62995 on 08/12/2009 03:33 AM
As for Anna Fisher, 60 does seem to be the age cap.

Okay, let me put it out there because I'm really curious to hear from the experts.

The possible CDRs for STS-133 could be the following, no?

The criteria is:  It has to be a veteran CDR; thus indicating that the pilot has to be a NASA graduate of 2000, unless Randy Bresnik serves as MSP and then a PLT.  Nobody from 2000 or up can be CDR:  The mission commander will be a veteran –– likely from the 1998 class or with a chance of a surprise from 1996.

The possible CDRs for STS-133 could be the following, no?

Dom Gorie; Steve Lindsey; Steve Frick; Chris Ferguson; Lee Archaumbalt

That leaves only pilots from 2000 except for RayJ Johnson, which is the probable pilot choice.  Alternatives may be:  Eric Boe, Doug Hurley, Barry Wilmore, or Kevin Ford.
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: nethegauner on 08/12/2009 08:59 AM
Guys, guys -- isn't this getting out of control?

;)

My guess:

CDR: Youg
PLT: Hurley
MS1: Nyberg
MS2: Cagle
MS3: Woodward
MS4: Caldiero

Sorry, I know: I am a party pooper ...

Seriously, You could permute all the names that are still in the game and come up with endless possibilities on who will be on the final shuttle -- but is this still fun? I guess the final crew will not look ike anything posted here.

Well, whoever it's gonna be: I hope for Fisher! I really do! Hoping is allowed, or is it not?

Edit: Now if Ender0319 or Jorge make a posting and claim that two or three of the names are right on the money, then I gonna eat my hat. Or watch a Star Trek marathon ...
Title: Re: Flight crew assignments
Post by: hektor on 08/12/2009 12:03 PM
Well there is a need for some indulgence.

This is the final time, maybe, that this game can be played, before maybe a five-year