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Title: Train shipment of American spaceflight hardware?
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 04/08/2022 01:25 am
Almost all large commercial satellites made in North America and launched from the Cape or Vandenberg go by truck, even before the current situation in Ukraine.
Follow up question:  Other than Shuttle/SLS SRB segments, is American spaceflight hardware ever shipped by train?
Title: Re: Train shipment of American spaceflight hardware?
Post by: Bob Niland on 04/08/2022 02:04 am
I don't know, but here are some factors:

Is the launch site rail-served?
I see a rail network at KFC (KSC, thanks, Jim) & Vandenberg, but not Wallops (nor Boca Chica). No idea what shape those networks are in.

Loading gauge:
Dimensions for "oversize load" on highways are likely much more generous than the non-negotiable limits imposed by double-track clearance, tunnels, bridges & overpasses.

Custom cars:
I was actually surprised the first time I saw a Vestas 'bladerunner' train go by. It's not an easy thing to certify a new railcar design for use on the national network. Boeing does ship some airliner fuselages by rail.

Carrier cooperation:
The major railroads prefer regularly-scheduled unit-trains (not mixed freight), and probably don't give priority to one-time shipments.

That said, anything that fits in a 40ft hi-cube probably already does travel by rail to some point near the launch site.
Title: Re: Train shipment of American spaceflight hardware?
Post by: Jim on 04/08/2022 02:15 am
No.  Most requirements ban it.
Title: Re: Train shipment of American spaceflight hardware?
Post by: Jim on 04/08/2022 02:18 am
I don't know, but here are some factors:

Is the launch site rail-served?
I see a rail network at KFC & Vandenberg, but not Wallops (nor Boca Chica). No idea what shape those networks are in.

Don’t know what Kentucky Fried Chicken uses for transport
Title: Re: Train shipment of American spaceflight hardware?
Post by: Jim on 04/08/2022 02:25 am
I don't know, but here are some factors:

1.Is the launch site rail-served?
I see a rail network at KFC & Vandenberg, but not Wallops (nor Boca Chica). No idea what shape those networks are in.

2. Loading gauge:
Dimensions for "oversize load" on highways are likely much more generous than the non-negotiable limits imposed by double-track clearance, tunnels, bridges & overpasses.

3.Custom cars:
I was actually surprised the first time I saw a Vestas 'bladerunner' train go by. It's not an easy thing to certify a new railcar design for use on the national network. Boeing does ship some airliner fuselages by rail.

Carrier cooperation:
The major railroads prefer regularly-scheduled unit-trains (not mixed freight), and probably don't give priority to one-time shipments.

4.That said, anything that fits in a 40ft hi-cube probably already does travel by rail to some point near the launch site.

1.  Only for SRB segments.

2.  Most spacecraft containers would not fit in a train.

3. They don’t exist for spacecraftsling

4.  Not used.  They use semi trailers.
Had to buy 40 ft container sling in 2019 for Solar Orbiter project.