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Title: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: mikezang on 01/12/2022 06:31 am
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A0096/22 NOTAMN
Q) ZXXX/QRTCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/3316N11026E012
A) ZHWH ZLHW B) 2201170226 C) 2201170301
E) A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:
N332704E1102154-N332523E1103437-N330401E1103032-N330542E1101749
BACK TO START. ALL ACFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE TEMPORARY
RESTRICTED AREA. VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL.
F) GND G) UNL

A0097/22 NOTAMN
Q) ZHWH/QRTCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/3003N10950E021
A) ZHWH B) 2201170227 C) 2201170310
E) A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:
N302310E1094258-N302013E1100430-N294247E1095740-N294547E1093611
BACK TO START. ALL ACFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE TEMPORARY
RESTRICTED AREA. VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL.
F) GND G) UNL
There will be a launch in January 17 ~02:00 UTC, I guess it might be CZ-6A.
Title: Re: Unknown SC -- Unknown LV --Taiyuan -- 17.01.2022 after 02:26 UTC
Post by: Liss on 01/12/2022 06:32 am
Taiyuan to SSO. Seems to be like YG-33 and GF-10 of 2019. Or GF-12, even closer.

A0096/22 NOTAMN
Q) ZXXX/QRTCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/3316N11026E012
A) ZHWH ZLHW B) 2201170226 C) 2201170301
E) A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:
N332704E1102154-N332523E1103437-N330401E1103032-N330542E1101749
BACK TO START. ALL ACFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE TEMPORARY
RESTRICTED AREA. VERTICAL LIMITS: GND-UNL.
F) GND G) UNL
CREATED: 12 Jan 2022 06:28:00
SOURCE: ZBBBYNYX

A0097/22 NOTAMN
Q) ZHWH/QRTCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/3003N10950E021
A) ZHWH B) 2201170227 C) 2201170310
E) A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:
N302310E1094258-N302013E1100430-N294247E1095740-N294547E1093611
BACK TO START. ALL ACFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE TEMPORARY
RESTRICTED AREA. VERTICAL LIMITS: GND-UNL.
F) GND G) UNL
CREATED: 12 Jan 2022 06:30:00
SOURCE: ZBBBYNYX
Title: Re: Unknown SC -- Unknown LV --Taiyuan -- 17.01.2022 after 02:26 UTC
Post by: Satori on 01/12/2022 08:35 am
Why do you think is CZ-6A?
Title: Re: Unknown SC - Unknown LV - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 ~02:33 UTC
Post by: input~2 on 01/13/2022 01:50 pm
Another view of the flight path
Title: Re: Unknown SC - Unknown LV - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 ~02:33 UTC
Post by: Satori on 01/16/2022 05:53 pm
Can someone please check if the NOTAM is still active? Thank you!
Title: Re: Unknown SC - Unknown LV - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 ~02:33 UTC
Post by: Liss on 01/16/2022 07:07 pm
Quote from: Satori on 01/16/2022 05:53 pm
Can someone please check if the NOTAM is still active? Thank you!
It's active.
Title: Re: Unknown SC - Unknown LV - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 ~02:33 UTC
Post by: mikezang on 01/17/2022 12:11 am
It is said this might be CZ-4C with Fengyun-3F.
Title: Re: Unknown SC - Unknown LV - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 ~02:33 UTC
Post by: russianhalo117 on 01/17/2022 01:26 am
Quote from: mikezang on 01/17/2022 12:11 am
It is said this might be CZ-4C with Fengyun-3F.
To avoid creating a conjecture please also include a source in the post.
Title: Re: Unknown SC - Unknown LV - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 ~02:33 UTC
Post by: mikezang on 01/17/2022 01:29 am
Quote from: russianhalo117 on 01/17/2022 01:26 am
Quote from: mikezang on 01/17/2022 12:11 am
It is said this might be CZ-4C with Fengyun-3F.
To avoid creating a conjecture please also include a source in the post.
From private talking not from post.
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: Closer to Space on 01/17/2022 02:00 am
Launch video, Shiyan 13 on-board :

https://twitter.com/raz_liu/status/1482909473580945411
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: Josh_from_Canada on 01/17/2022 02:06 am
CZ-2D Y70
https://twitter.com/raz_liu/status/1482910386534096896
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/17/2022 02:12 am
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: Closer to Space on 01/17/2022 02:23 am
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For the special needs of the satellite interface, a 2-meter diameter satellite-launcher separation device was adopted for the first time for the CZ-2D rocket.

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This year, the Aerospace Science and Technology Group plans to arrange more than 40 space launch missions. Among them, the CZ-2D rocket is scheduled to launch more than 15 times, which is expected to set a record for the highest number of annual launches of this type of rocket. Facing the challenge of high-density launches in 2022, the current Long 2D rocket adopts a "de-missioning" design concept to improve product production efficiency and enhance launch plan adjustment capability.


https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/wyEPpyoxdTJ9ufgem7-3Tw
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 01/17/2022 02:29 am
CAS Microspace is the satellite manufacturer.
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/17/2022 04:54 am
As always, you can't miss the big red screen that indicates that the mission has been a success!
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 01/17/2022 06:25 am
Do we have any knowledge or deductions as to the satellite's function?

Optical reconnaissance and/or civilian remote sensing?

SAR reconnaissance and/or remote sensing?

Edited
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/17/2022 06:29 am
Quote from: zubenelgenubi on 01/17/2022 06:25 am
Do we have any knowledge or deductions as to the satellite's function?
This is what the official CASC press release says, but we don't really have any information about these satellites, they are still a mystery.
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/wyEPpyoxdTJ9ufgem7-3Tw

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The Experiment No. 13 satellite is primarily used to conduct space environment sensing and related technology experiments.

Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 01/17/2022 07:34 am
2022-004A/51102 in 468 x 493 km x 97.44°
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 01/17/2022 07:45 am
Short launch video

https://tv.cctv.com/2022/01/17/VIDEWsXFurJEMMSjkBuJKYEq220117.shtml (https://tv.cctv.com/2022/01/17/VIDEWsXFurJEMMSjkBuJKYEq220117.shtml)
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: Liss on 01/17/2022 11:29 am
Quote from: input~2 on 01/17/2022 07:34 am
2022-004A/51102 in 468 x 493 km x 97.44°

Well, I wonder which of the two orbits is true...

1 51102U 22004A   22017.10784722 -.00000077  00000-0  00000+0 0  9994
2 51102  97.4400  82.0510 0017980 292.7640 185.2645 15.28454729    04
1 51102U 22004A   22017.38905020 -.00000096  00000-0  00000+0 0  9991
2 51102  98.6749  81.7996 0654622 144.9854 336.1931 14.19338670    46
1 51103U 22004B   22017.38903863 -.00000096  00000-0  00000+0 0  9995
2 51103  98.6828  81.8038 0651294 144.8792 336.6922 14.19853059    09
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: Alter Sachse on 01/17/2022 03:33 pm
Quote from: Liss on 01/17/2022 11:29 am
Quote from: input~2 on 01/17/2022 07:34 am
2022-004A/51102 in 468 x 493 km x 97.44°

Well, I wonder which of the two orbits is true...

1 51102U 22004A   22017.10784722 -.00000077  00000-0  00000+0 0  9994
2 51102  97.4400  82.0510 0017980 292.7640 185.2645 15.28454729    04
1 51102U 22004A   22017.38905020 -.00000096  00000-0  00000+0 0  9991
2 51102  98.6749  81.7996 0654622 144.9854 336.1931 14.19338670    46
1 51103U 22004B   22017.38903863 -.00000096  00000-0  00000+0 0  9995
2 51103  98.6828  81.8038 0651294 144.8792 336.6922 14.19853059    09
97.44°   94.21 min 468x493 km
98.67° 101.45 min 357x1297 km
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: limen4 on 01/17/2022 03:36 pm
Quote from: zubenelgenubi on 01/17/2022 06:25 am
Do we have any knowledge or deductions as to the satellite's function?

Optical reconnaissance and/or civilian remote sensing?

SAR reconnaissance and/or remote sensing?

Edited

Only few information about SY satellites are available. There are some indications that the military unit behind the SY series are the PLA Rocket Forces. Some of the earlier spacecraft appeared in connection with Anti Balistic Missile or Anti Satellite activities. CAS based Innovation Academy of Microsatellites (the producer of SY-13) allready provided in the past the SY-6 series (CX-3A) or other CX satellites which seem to support SY experiments.
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 01/17/2022 07:58 pm
Quote from: Liss on 01/17/2022 11:29 am
Well, I wonder which of the two orbits is true...

Well, it appears the elliptical orbit with 98.67° inclination is the right one

0 OBJECT A (357 x 1298 km)
1 51102U 22004A   22017.74725692  .00121107  00000-0  56364-2 0  9999
2 51102  98.6761  82.1555 0653068 143.8970   6.5662 14.19374267    92
0 CZ-2D R/B (356 x 1296 km)
1 51103U 22004B   22017.74796950 -.00045519  00000-0 -21148-2 0  9991
2 51103  98.6778  82.1541 0651893 143.8412  11.3443 14.19824022    57
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 01/17/2022 08:10 pm
 A better launch video:
https://tv.cctv.com/2022/01/17/VIDE0HwXXgBeIzSiTr7C8G2P220117.shtml (https://tv.cctv.com/2022/01/17/VIDE0HwXXgBeIzSiTr7C8G2P220117.shtml)
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/18/2022 07:38 am
From SciNews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13APWIXnHG8
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 01/18/2022 08:29 am
A rather unusual satellite platform

(source: https://tv.cctv.com/2022/01/18/VIDE24I1iyt5pbvUIVSCGscN220118.shtml)
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: gosnold on 01/18/2022 11:12 am
Huh. Maybe the CGI artist messed up?
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: GELORD on 01/19/2022 02:18 am
For the special needs of the satellite interface, a 2-meter diameter satellite-launcher separation device was adopted for the first time for the CZ-2D rocket.
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: Liss on 01/19/2022 07:19 am
It seems that Shiyan 13 is in one orbital plane with USA-245 (KH-11) and K2523.
May be not a coincidence.
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: Alter Sachse on 01/19/2022 12:42 pm
Quote from: Liss on 01/19/2022 07:19 am
It seems that Shiyan 13 is in one orbital plane with USA-245 (KH-11) and K2523.
May be not a coincidence.
USA 245 seems to be interesting for visitors.  ;)
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: Alter Sachse on 11/22/2022 11:25 am
Shiyan 13 appears to be approaching USA 245.

https://forum.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/index.php?topic=20304.msg2466389#msg2466389
Title: Re: Shiyan-13 - CZ-2D - Taiyuan - January 17, 2022 (02:35 UTC)
Post by: Liss on 11/22/2022 12:06 pm
Quote from: Alter Sachse on 11/22/2022 11:25 am
Shiyan 13 appears to be approaching USA 245.

https://forum.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/index.php?topic=20304.msg2466389#msg2466389
Not so straightforward.
SY-13 has been maneuvering since Sep 15, probably aiming to match LTDN of USA 245.
Still no approach in a strict sense of word.