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https://twitter.com/netflix/status/1422572972007575558
This September, four civilians will launch into space for a three-day trip orbiting Earth.
Countdown: Inspiration4 Mission To Space — the first Netflix documentary series to cover an event in near real-time — will premiere in five parts leading up to and following the mission.
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More details: https://deadline.com/2021/08/netflix-countdown-inspiration4-mission-to-space-real-time-docuseries-1234808122/
Including:
Countdown: Inspiration4 Mission To Space, the first Netflix documentary series to cover an event in near real-time, will premiere in five parts leading up to and following the mission beginning with the first two episodes on September 6, followed by episodes 3 and 4 on September 13. Inspiration4’s launch is scheduled for September 15 and the feature-length finale episode will air at the end of the month.
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Worth clarifying that TIME Studios is producing the series
https://time.com/5938500/time-studios-exclusive-documentary-inspiration4-civilian-mission-space/
TIME Studios Wins Exclusive Documentary Rights to Inspiration4, the World’s First All-Civilian Mission to Space
BY TIME PR
FEBRUARY 11, 2021 3:00 PM EST
TIME Studios & Known to Produce with “30 for 30” Creator Connor Schell as Executive Producer for the Groundbreaking Project
(New York, NY — February 11, 2021) TIME’s Emmy award-winning television and film division TIME Studios has partnered with the studio division of Emmy & Peabody award-winning marketing firm Known to acquire the competitive documentary rights to Inspiration4, the first all-civilian mission to space.
Announced last week and featured at this year’s Super Bowl, the Inspiration4 mission will be commanded by Jared Isaacman, the 37-year-old founder and chief executive officer of Shift4 Payments and an accomplished pilot, philanthropist and adventurer. Isaacman is donating the three mission seats alongside him to members of the public who best exemplify the humanitarian pillars of the mission. Two of these seats are currently open to the public through a fundraising contest and an online competition using Shift4’s new ecommerce platform, Shift4Shop.com.
With exclusive access to the groundbreaking mission, the forthcoming project will follow the journey as the Inspiration4 crew is named, undergoes commercial astronaut training and completes the launch and returns to earth in the fourth quarter of 2021. The project will also serve as a definitive chronicle of the history of space exploration, examining how this major milestone was reached and contemplating its implications for the future.
Emmy and Peabody award-winning producer Connor Schell (“30 for 30,” “The Last Dance,” “O.J.:Made in America”) will executive produce the documentary through his new non-scripted production studio. TIME Studios’ Emmy award-winning Jonathan Woods, (“A Year in Space,” “The Mars Generation,” “Space Explorers: The ISS Experience”) will serve as lead producer for the landmark project.
“Inspiration4 is a historic step to making space travel and exploration available to everyone,” said Issacman. “We are excited to have our ambitious journey captured by this incredible team and know that their telling of this story will inspire humanity in new ways.”
“In these challenging times, it is important to remember that the human capacity for success and ambition may well be limitless. This journey will be a defining moment for space exploration and humanity at large and we are honored to be entrusted with telling the story of Inspiration4,” said Ian Orefice, President of TIME Studios. “We look forward to continuing the tradition that TIME and TIME Studios have established through our shared history of bringing audiences to space with new forms of visual storytelling.”
“When I first heard about Inspiration4, I was immediately captivated by the unprecedented nature of the mission and the story of how it came to be,” said Schell. “Telling that story, the broader tale of humanity’s long road to get here, and the places this mission may lead us will be a fascinating narrative for our team to document and help shape.”
“At a time when all of humanity could use more hope and inspiration, it is an honor to support this crowning human achievement,” said Ross Martin, President of Known. “We are proud to continue our groundbreaking work with Jared Isaacman and his team at Shift4 and excited to partner with TIME Studios to bring this epic story to all.”
Learn more about Inspiration4 here.
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https://twitter.com/netflix/status/1428371180692467721
4 civilians. Orbiting earth. On their own.
You're invited to join @rookisaacman @DrSianProctor @ArceneauxHayley & @ChrisSembroski on the journey of a lifetime in Countdown: Inspiration4 Mission to Space. Starting September 6.
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The trailer says that launch will be broadcast live on Netflix Youtube. Will a Netflix subscription be required to watch it or will it be free for viewers ?
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There is a launcher which is clearly not a Falcon 9 in this trailer (it has auxiliary boosters).
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(https://i.servimg.com/u/f18/20/00/68/52/11111.jpg)
French language Netflix.
I am not sure that the crew of Inspiration4 would validate the translated title. Tourists. ::)
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The trailer says that launch will be broadcast live on Netflix Youtube. Will a Netflix subscription be required to watch it or will it be free for viewers ?
Well normally you can watch their stuff on You Tube free.
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I am not sure that the crew of Inspiration4 would validate the translated title. Tourists. ::)
Pesonally, I think the term "tourists" is more impactful than "astronauts". Tourists implies access to the general public, "astronauts" has the implication of years of training, downselects, waiting, etc.
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There is a launcher which is clearly not a Falcon 9 in this trailer (it has auxiliary boosters).
Shown from 0:34 - 0:36.
Screenshot attached.
What is that?
The blue stripe on the SRBs is reminiscent of Ariane 6 livery, but that hasn't flown yet, and I've not seen any animations of it that good. (Looks more like real footage from a rocketcam to me.)
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I am cross posting this as I can’t see that it has moved across from the other thread.
Countdown: Inspiration4 Mission To Space - Official Teaser:
https://youtu.be/AZOway3cPWY
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I am not sure that the crew of Inspiration4 would validate the translated title. Tourists. ::)
Pesonally, I think the term "tourists" is more impactful than "astronauts". Tourists implies access to the general public, "astronauts" has the implication of years of training, downselects, waiting, etc.
Yeah, I think that an "astronaut" is more of a career. But I don't think that people who pay to fly to space should be called "tourists" either. Then it would mean that spending a week in hawaii gives you the same title as flying to space. lol
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There is a launcher which is clearly not a Falcon 9 in this trailer (it has auxiliary boosters).
Shown from 0:34 - 0:36.
Screenshot attached.
What is that?
The blue stripe on the SRBs is reminiscent of Ariane 6 livery, but that hasn't flown yet, and I've not seen any animations of it that good. (Looks more like real footage from a rocketcam to me.)
I agree that the blue stripe points to an Ariane 64. Why is it presented in that documentary, we will have to wait to understand.
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Yeah, I think that an "astronaut" is more of a career. But I don't think that people who pay to fly to space should be called "tourists" either. Then it would mean that spending a week in hawaii gives you the same title as flying to space. lol
I dunno, "space tourist" sounds pretty cool to this geezer!!!
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I agree that the blue stripe points to an Ariane 64. Why is it presented in that documentary, we will have to wait to understand.
I think that's just TV/movie producers' eternal propensity to use the wrong launch vehicle footages, see for example the launch vehicle footages in The Martian movie.
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There is a launcher which is clearly not a Falcon 9 in this trailer (it has auxiliary boosters).
Shown from 0:34 - 0:36.
Screenshot attached.
What is that?
The blue stripe on the SRBs is reminiscent of Ariane 6 livery, but that hasn't flown yet, and I've not seen any animations of it that good. (Looks more like real footage from a rocketcam to me.)
What launch site is close to a mountain range? At the right edge of the image...
Doesn't look like Kourou at all. There is only jungle and the ocean.
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What launch site is close to a mountain range? At the right edge of the image...
Doesn't look like Kourou at all. There is only jungle and the ocean.
I know, right?
But all the ArianeGroup or ESA animations of Ariane 6 that I've seen have been low quality and obviously CGI. Perhaps there's an A6 fan who has rendered this on top of RocketCam video of some other launch.
Can you get mountain views like that from Vandenberg?
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I'm pretty certain it's just an animation; the condensation streaming past just doesn't look real. Too slow moving, too "loose" to the booster body.
But, in any case, great trailer that my high school Aerospace class is gonna be watching!
Exciting times!
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No one's commenting on the Saturn V staging event in the trailer? Or the fact that it starts with a view from lunar orbit?
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Countdown: Inspiration4 Mission To Space | Official Trailer | Netflix
https://youtu.be/D38W150h9a4
Note from that the launch will be covered live on the Netflix You Tube channel.
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New trailer:
https://twitter.com/netflix/status/1433444639311237126
On Sept 6, you’ll meet the four civilians going into space.
On Sept 13, you’ll see them prepare.
On Sept 15, you’ll watch the live launch
On Sept 30, you’ll be in space alongside them
Countdown: Inspiration4 Mission To Space takes off next week
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First two episodes are on line. In first episode, you get to visit Space X, its meeting room, see a bit of an internal kick off meeting, measurement taking.
You understand where Jared and Hayley are starting from. Hayley even thought she was maybe going to the Moon.
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First reviews are out
Netflix Strokes Elon Musk’s Otherworldly Ego With ‘Countdown: Inspiration4 Mission to Space’ (https://www.thedailybeast.com/netflix-strokes-elon-musks-otherworldly-ego-with-countdown-inspiration4-mission-to-space)
Countdown: Inspiration4 Mission to Space review – does Elon Musk really need the free PR? (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/sep/06/countdown-inspiration4-mission-to-space-review-does-elon-musk-really-need-the-free-pr)
UPDATE
Stream It Or Skip It: ‘Countdown: Inspiration4 Mission To Space’ On Netflix, A Near Real-Time Docuseries About The All-Civilian SpaceX Mission (https://decider.com/2021/09/06/countdown-inspiration4-mission-to-space-netflix-review/)
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I enjoyed both episodes, even if some reviewers say they are puff pieces / free advertising etc.
Was pleased to see episode 2 talking directly about risk and impact on families, with both the Challenger and Columbia disasters featured.
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First reviews are out
Netflix Strokes Elon Musk’s Otherworldly Ego With ‘Countdown: Inspiration4 Mission to Space’ (https://www.thedailybeast.com/netflix-strokes-elon-musks-otherworldly-ego-with-countdown-inspiration4-mission-to-space)
Countdown: Inspiration4 Mission to Space review – does Elon Musk really need the free PR? (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/sep/06/countdown-inspiration4-mission-to-space-review-does-elon-musk-really-need-the-free-pr)
Reviews are just opinions and opinions are like… well you know.
For seasoned space watchers they were maybe a little light and a little too frilly, but for the average Netflix watcher who don’t know much about space they were good.
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First reviews are out
Netflix Strokes Elon Musk’s Otherworldly Ego With ‘Countdown: Inspiration4 Mission to Space’ (https://www.thedailybeast.com/netflix-strokes-elon-musks-otherworldly-ego-with-countdown-inspiration4-mission-to-space)
Countdown: Inspiration4 Mission to Space review – does Elon Musk really need the free PR? (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/sep/06/countdown-inspiration4-mission-to-space-review-does-elon-musk-really-need-the-free-pr)
These appear less like reviews of the show and more like thinly veiled criticism of SpaceX and Elon Musk.
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I enjoyed both episodes, even if some reviewers say they are puff pieces / free advertising etc.
Was pleased to see episode 2 talking directly about risk and impact on families, with both the Challenger and Columbia disasters featured.
I agree, especially Episode 2. Very good.
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First reviews are out
Netflix Strokes Elon Musk’s Otherworldly Ego With ‘Countdown: Inspiration4 Mission to Space’ (https://www.thedailybeast.com/netflix-strokes-elon-musks-otherworldly-ego-with-countdown-inspiration4-mission-to-space)
Countdown: Inspiration4 Mission to Space review – does Elon Musk really need the free PR? (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/sep/06/countdown-inspiration4-mission-to-space-review-does-elon-musk-really-need-the-free-pr)
These appear less like reviews of the show and more like thinly veiled criticism of SpaceX and Elon Musk.
Note that Nick Schager's "article" is labeled "#SPONSORED"
I'd love to know by who?
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Barely managed to watch the first half of the first episode of the Netflix series:
- Feels like an over produced real life soap
- Too many repeating oneliners
- Technical content .. well, schoolkids level
- Who is that Times guy ?
- Some nice 4K HDR shots
Guess the launch and 3 days in space will be more exciting.
Maybe a bit harsh, but perhaps it is not meant for people outside the US (in terms of style etc).
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Definitely a must watch documentary. Ignore crap media coverage with an agenda. Heck, Elon Musk barely even shows up in the first two episodes and the story concentrates on the crew and the whole concept of the mission.
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Wow. Those were excellent shows. There are some rich, wonderful flashbacks to significant events in space. Highly recommended
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Saw the first two episodes. Very good and inspirational.
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Hayley even thought she was maybe going to the Moon.
There is a good chance that Hayley could be part of the #dearMoon crew, IMO. There ain't that many civilian spaceflight qualified medics who is not part of some space or government agency. Plus she is good in interviews.
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Look, if it inspires kids to get off FB and into STEM, AFAIC they can stroke Musk's ego all they want. He's doing a hell of a lot more with his money than a lot of other billionaires. Or even millionaires.
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Where is the show, exactly? What platform? What search term(s)?
I can not find it on netflix. Not under inspiration, or inspiration 4, or countdown or anything.
Nor can I find it on youtube, just trailer or announcement, or old interviews etc.
Thanks
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Where is the show, exactly? What platform? What search term(s)?
I can not find it on netflix. Not under inspiration, or inspiration 4, or countdown or anything.
Nor can I find it on youtube, just trailer or announcement, or old interviews etc.
Thanks
Netflix - if it doesn't show up with a search for inspiration or countdown then it's probably not available in your geo.
Where are you located?
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Where is the show, exactly? What platform? What search term(s)?
I can not find it on netflix. Not under inspiration, or inspiration 4, or countdown or anything.
Nor can I find it on youtube, just trailer or announcement, or old interviews etc.
Thanks
Netflix - if it doesn't show up with a search for inspiration or countdown then it's probably not available in your geo.
Where are you located?
US, Northeast.
... but I do run a VPN on my router, through a NYC server. So maybe they specifically exclude the VPN? Hmm.
Thanks
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Where is the show, exactly? What platform? What search term(s)?
I can not find it on netflix. Not under inspiration, or inspiration 4, or countdown or anything.
Nor can I find it on youtube, just trailer or announcement, or old interviews etc.
Thanks
Netflix - if it doesn't show up with a search for inspiration or countdown then it's probably not available in your geo.
Where are you located?
US, Northeast.
... but I do run a VPN on my router, through a NYC server. So maybe they specifically exclude the VPN? Hmm.
Thanks
Yes. Netflix are detecting vpn connections and not playing nice. Just go direct and it should find it.
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Barely managed to watch the first half of the first episode of the Netflix series:
- Feels like an over produced real life soap
- Too many repeating oneliners
- Technical content .. well, schoolkids level
- Who is that Times guy ?
- Some nice 4K HDR shots
Guess the launch and 3 days in space will be more exciting.
Maybe a bit harsh, but perhaps it is not meant for people outside the US (in terms of style etc).
Perhaps I'm just an old softy, but I loved every minute of both episoides and went through several tissues watching the backstories of Hayley, Sian and Chris. So inspiring.
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Is there a link to watch these on line?
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They're reality show feel good fluff pieces. Not worth your attention. Nothing in there you wouldn't already know if you are on here.
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Is there a link to watch these on line?
They are on Netflix, so you will need a Netflix subscription as far as I am aware.
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Just a heads-up to anyone of similar mind of those criticizing these episodes as "fluff", "nothing there that you won't learn here": Netflix doesn't do technical manual TV. If you haven't figure it out, the name of this flight is "Inspiration", not "More Info Than You Ever Wanted to Know".
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They're reality show feel good fluff pieces. Not worth your attention. Nothing in there you wouldn't already know if you are on here.
I disagree with this assessment. I have been following spaceflight closely since Alan Shepard's Freedom 7 flight and found the first two episodes fascinating and exciting. I enjoyed the profiles of all the crew members and shared their excitement as they learned of their selection for the mission. The second episode dealt with the risks of spaceflight and featured an extended interview with Lauren Clark's husband about losing her when Columbia broke up on reentry in 2003. The show is poignant at times, but the poignancy adds to the discussion. I think the series does an excellent job of covering St. Jude's Children Research Hospital in Memphis, the recipient of Jared Isaacman's fund-raising effort. It sure beats the commercials spotlighting St. Jude's featuring Danny Thomas we used to see in movie theaters in the 1960's. I look forward the next 2 episodes.
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If millions of people watch this, and millions of people are not normally interested in space, get interested. That is a plus. Also, Musk isn't riding with them into space to stoke his ego like Bezos and Branson. This has a much better and story, thus Inspiration.
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Just a heads-up to anyone of similar mind of those criticizing these episodes as "fluff", "nothing there that you won't learn here": Netflix doesn't do technical manual TV. If you haven't figure it out, the name of this flight is "Inspiration", not "More Info Than You Ever Wanted to Know".
Fluff is popular. And there's nothing wrong with fluff if you like that sort of thing. My post was just a warning for anyone here, which is hardly the average Netflix viewership.
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https://twitter.com/djsnm/status/1435459193528487941
The Inspiration 4 documentary on Netflix is great so far, not much in new info, but lots of very relatable people. I think it’s a fine counterpoint for people who got mad at Bezos and Branson’s suborbital hops.
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I liked it. Not to sound cheesy but I thought it was genuinely inspiring. Lots of likeable people which helps in a well put together documentary.
By the way if you want read possibly the most ridiculously bad review then look at this from The Guardian:
https://amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/sep/06/countdown-inspiration4-mission-to-space-review-does-elon-musk-really-need-the-free-pr
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After watching the second episode of the documentary I conclude that both male crew members are married while the two female crew members are single.
Sian Proctor has recently tweeted she had divorced just before being selected and the best friends of Hayley in the documentary thought she might be filmed for a new season of The Bachelor so I assume she is single too.
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Calling this a fluff piece is really missing the point.
Episode 1 is very inspirational, focused on Jared and Hayley, including a long segment dedicated to her childhood cancer survival story. Heartrending home video clips of her going through chemo.
This show is obviously about the people going up. For info on Falcon and Dragon go to Everyday Astronaut.
I'm going to donate some $ to Saint Jude after watching this.
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They've got the billionaire flying jock, the professional woman who survived cancer, the nerdy guy who was a nightwatchman of nuclear apocalypse, and lady of color who just missed the grade to become an astronaut.
It's like The Breakfast Club, in space.
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They've got the billionaire flying jock, the professional woman who survived cancer, the nerdy guy who was a nightwatchman of nuclear apocalypse, and lady of color who just missed the grade to become an astronaut.
It's like The Breakfast Club, in space.
'Murica. F-yeah!
Jared is who I wished I was, Haley is my little sister, Christopher is my buddy who got the nod (and who I am secretly very envious of) and Sian... sigh.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEUJ4BW5VSM
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I just finished watching Episodes 1 and 2. Loved the backstories of the four crew members.
During the part with Hayley, which talked about her cancer, I cried because I felt like I was her little brother in the hospital observing her going through chemo. Honestly, this was one of the best space-themed series/movies I've ever watched in my life.
I'm looking forward to the training portion on the 13th.
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I'm not one to tolerate fluff when good, technical discussion will do. Thing is, for this mission, technical discussion will NOT do. The 'fluff' is not beside the point, or missing the point. The fluff IS the point. This mission is not intended to demonstrate a new engineering marvel, or a scientific accomplishment. The mission objective is as titled: to inspire.
The target audience is not the technically or scientifically inclined. The target audience is every single child at St. Jude; all of whom have likely been told about the mission and are likely excited to see one of their own, so to speak, rise beyond the skies. The target audience are the friends and families of those children who, completely powerless in all other regards, may be encouraged to remain strong and be reminded that it's not over yet. These people have little use for statistics or equations or figures of merit. Let them have some hope.
Thus, "reviews" that paint this as a PR stunt for Elon are useful in that they provide information as to which people may be ignored in the future. Proper consideration for such was best expressed by the late, great Max Regar: "Ich sitze in dem kleinsten Zimmer in meinem Hause. Ich habe ihre Kritik vor mir. Im nachsten Augenblick wird sie hinter mir sein"
or, in English,
"I am sitting in the smallest room of my house. I have your review before me. In a moment, it will be behind me."
About a month and a half ago, I received my hat, shirt, and poster for the lottery 'thank you' gift. I plan on wearing at least one piece of swag on the day of the launch. Probably won't be the poster.
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The one technical point that hasn’t been mentioned on here especially by those mentioning it being fluff. Is the much higher orbit it’s going into as was outlined in the first episode, I am glad we got too see at least some discussion of thus. Not only is this I presume useful from an engineering point of view for Dragon, but also from a life sciences point of view as even though they are only in orbit for three days I imagine good data will still be collected.
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It was pretty amazing to see Jared, in his first meeting with SpaceX, pushing for a high-altitude flight, up to 575 km, even higher than the Hubble service flights, and the SpaceX execs going "hmmm, not sure about that".... - Well, seems he managed to convince them!
Seems some people are unhappy that spaceflight won't exclusively be for the "professionals" anymore. Well, I am thrilled about it. Also, I am beyond impressed by Elon trusting the automation of Dragon sufficiently to not fly a astronaut along to hand-hold the crew. THAT in itself is a watershed. Let's hope it works out all right! :-O
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It's not the fluff that's the problem, it's the saccharine. The show inspires you to mentally gargle a gallon of lemon juice to get the sicky-sweet flavor out of your head. It's everything that's wrong with commercial TV network spaceflight coverage distilled into a potent concentrate and delivered with a schlocky Hallmark card.
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I think the show is great and the crew perfect selections for this flight, representing the “ common man” at so many levels…
And while some of you might be dumping on them, let me remind you that the crew will be strapping themselves into a capsule atop a launch vehicle containing tons of highly explosive liquids and spending 3 days in space …the Right Stuff, indeed.
Having said that, I will add that the notion of “Spam in a Can” did cross my mind…all aspects of the flight will be controlled by the spacecraft and SpaceX…essentially, don’t touch any of the buttons, likely no control is even enabled.
which brings up the point of the role of the so called professional astronauts that ride Dragon for NASA..they too are really just passengers as long as things go right during their flight ?
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which brings up the point of the role of the so called professional astronauts that ride Dragon for NASA..they too are really just passengers as long as things go right during their flight ?
Yes, pretty much.
Inspiration 4 crew have had quite a lot of training of what to do when things go wrong. For example, the 30 hour Sim last month (far longer than any NASA Dragon Sims) included multiple failure scenarios, including complete loss of comms with the ground simultaneous with potentially fatal capsule issues needing urgent resolution. So the crew had to resolve themselves. [Edit to add: covered in latest Axios podcast (https://www.axios.com/how-it-happened-next-astronauts-part-three-c71b7629-92ad-4a97-b7f6-d82c24ab8846.html)]
Really hope we see that in next week’s episodes!
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It's not the fluff that's the problem, it's the saccharine. The show inspires you to mentally gargle a gallon of lemon juice to get the sicky-sweet flavor out of your head. It's everything that's wrong with commercial TV network spaceflight coverage distilled into a potent concentrate and delivered with a schlocky Hallmark card.
Hear hear.
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It's not the fluff that's the problem, it's the saccharine. The show inspires you to mentally gargle a gallon of lemon juice to get the sicky-sweet flavor out of your head. It's everything that's wrong with commercial TV network spaceflight coverage distilled into a potent concentrate and delivered with a schlocky Hallmark card.
I believe the term you’re looking for is human interest, hardly a new idea when it comes to television. This kind of stuff has been around for decades. I think it’s more to do with people going oh TV isn’t as good these days and firmly putting their rose tinted glasses on.
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It's not the fluff that's the problem, it's the saccharine. The show inspires you to mentally gargle a gallon of lemon juice to get the sicky-sweet flavor out of your head. It's everything that's wrong with commercial TV network spaceflight coverage distilled into a potent concentrate and delivered with a schlocky Hallmark card.
I believe the term you’re looking for is human interest, hardly a new idea when it comes to television. This kind of stuff has been around for decades. I think it’s more to do with people going oh TV isn’t as good these days and firmly putting their rose tinted glasses on.
Audience for Hallmark TV >>> audience for space nerd stuff.
It's not to my taste but they are trying to sell a TV show, and they seem to be doing it quite well.
John
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It's not the fluff that's the problem, it's the saccharine. The show inspires you to mentally gargle a gallon of lemon juice to get the sicky-sweet flavor out of your head. It's everything that's wrong with commercial TV network spaceflight coverage distilled into a potent concentrate and delivered with a schlocky Hallmark card.
I believe the term you’re looking for is human interest, hardly a new idea when it comes to television. This kind of stuff has been around for decades. I think it’s more to do with people going oh TV isn’t as good these days and firmly putting their rose tinted glasses on.
No, I truly meant saccharine, but thanks anyway.
There's nothing wrong with human interest stories, but in this particular show it's very very poorly done. My problem is not with Elon, not with the crew, not with the mission and not with St. Jude's to whom I've previously contributed to. The problem is squarely with the writers, directors and producers of this show.
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I worked for a time at a small plant that made aerospace composite parts. When people came into the QA lab and asked the senior inspector how he was doing, he would reply: "About as you'd expect.". Most of the folks responded with some sort of condolence, but a few responded happily that his day was going well. He enjoyed taking the pulse of the folks coming through the lab, because he understood that how a person responded communicated their mental state - it wasn't about him at all.
I'm enjoying the series - the back story of the four travelers, the reason for the mission, the way it ties into the desire of all involved to show the world that finally, finally, finally, we're starting to stretch just a little bit into space. I think Netflix and Time are weaving the literal art and science together and telling a story designed to communicate the wonder of the adventure I'm one of many that sat in front of a black and white TV in 1969 (age 6) and watched Apollo 11 land, and watched Neil Armstrong take our collective giant leap. That led to reading plenty of sci-fi, and O'Neill, and newsletters from the L5 society. I just knew space stations were coming and that humans on Mars were next. And then...nothing. ...in space, nobody can hear the crickets... It's long past time, and I cannot wait for this mission to unfold!
Human beings don't buy (or buy in) because of data. They buy only if the thing makes them feel good - if it makes them feel better to imagine that thing in their life. We need more people to think about space and to recognize that the door is opening for them too. I hope this mission, and this series, gets people feeling about space again!
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2 more episodes out today, watched immediately once they went up on Netflix.
Would have preferred bit more weighting towards the training side over the human story side after the first two episodes to balance things more, but I guess I'm not exactly the target audience. Still, excellent stuff and even had a couple of freeze-frameable moments that showed something interesting on the hardware that I hadn't seen before.
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Having watched the latest two episodes, I have to say what an impressive person and great mission commander Jared is. I do believe a lot of people could go to space, given the opportunity, but I'm not sure how many people could be a good commander. I'm not sure how aware SpaceX were of Jared's leadership skills before selling this mission, but they're definitely off to a great start for the first fully private flight with no previous astronaut experience.
Also, people talk about how Dragon is autonomous, as if anyone could ride in it, but I have no doubt that the Inspiration 4 crew have earned the right to be called astronauts.
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Having watched the latest two episodes, I have to say what an impressive person and great mission commander Jared is. I do believe a lot of people could go to space, given the opportunity, but I'm not sure how many people could be a good commander. I'm not sure how aware SpaceX were of Jared's leadership skills before selling this mission, but they've definitely off to a great start with the first fully private flight with no previous astronaut experience.
100%. He seems like the perfect choice for a first flight.
...Also, people talk about how Dragon is autonomous, as if anyone could ride in it, but I have no doubt that the Inspiration 4 crew have earned the right to be called astronauts.
They are going higher than the current occupants of the ISS. In my book that makes them astronauts! And even if they weren't going so high I'd still calls them astronauts.
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Also, people talk about how Dragon is autonomous, as if anyone could ride in it, but I have no doubt that the Inspiration 4 crew have earned the right to be called astronauts.
This is quite true. What kinda spelled it out was this story:
https://www.axios.com/how-it-happened-next-astronauts-part-three-c71b7629-92ad-4a97-b7f6-d82c24ab8846.html
about 16 min 30s in, describing how they went thru a very long 30-hour sim where they ultimately had to go thru non-nominal return where they had to manually pop the chutes, without comms, with 3 computers down and without Dragon knowing where exactly it was. Basically sim supervisors throwing everything and the kitchen sink at them.. didn't sound like a casual tourist flight simulation to me :D
(you should naturally listen to the whole thing, and the two earlier parts)
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Having watched the latest two episodes, I have to say what an impressive person and great mission commander Jared is. I do believe a lot of people could go to space, given the opportunity, but I'm not sure how many people could be a good commander. I'm not sure how aware SpaceX were of Jared's leadership skills before selling this mission, but they're definitely off to a great start for the first fully private flight with no previous astronaut experience.
Also, people talk about how Dragon is autonomous, as if anyone could ride in it, but I have no doubt that the Inspiration 4 crew have earned the right to be called astronauts.
Agree! Definitely astronauts.
And also agreed on Jared.
I wonder how much of an impact the experience will have on the SpaceX training process - the jet aircraft used during the training are Jared's.
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I have to say, this is just astonishingly well done (my only nit is the Time reporter—to be honest, I'm spoiled by substantially better/more engaging space reporting ;) ).
What's perhaps more amazing is how nice/compelling all 4 of the crew are. Everything about this is an antidote to the awful Branson/Bezos nonsense a couple months ago—and I'm very pro-civilian space, even goofy suborbital hops. The whole pissing match thing, including the streams by both Virgin and BO had something to annoy almost everyone.
Those two billionaires, vs this: 4 super nice people, raising money, and in the case of Hayley vicarious hope, for kids with cancer. Anyone who manages to get POed at this is broken, it's all win.
Well done, Inspiration 4, godspeed!
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While the show may not be up to space-geek standards, I think it's pretty well done. Remember, the goal isn't to preach to the faithful, it's to entertain and hopefully gain followers.
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Another good two episodes of the documentary for Inspiration4. They are very likeable crew and they all seem very competent especially Jared who makes a good commander. Certainly a nice antidote to all that Branson Vs Bezos nonsense. Got a feeling this is also a learning experience for Space X. By the way Hayley really is fearless in a good way and she’s very mature for her age.
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....By the way Hayley really is fearless in a good way and she’s very mature for her age.
She have nothing to fear after facing down the grim reaper during her childhood. ;)
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I just caught up with all 4 episodes out so far, and I’m very impressed. These 4 people could be taking the easiest training regimen they could get away with, but they aren’t… Seeing glimpses of all the training they’ve gone through (much of it appears driven by Jared) is truly impressive.
And then going through a 30 hr simulation in Dragon (longer than any NASA astronaut), if what I’ve read is correct. Some grumble that “space tourists” shouldn’t be called Astronauts - but they certainly deserve to be called astronauts based on the effort they are putting in.
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Could any them transfer into Space X astronaut group if they were so inclined after the flight?
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A crewed Starship flight seems to me more likely. That would make a nice " Season 2".
That being said I think Jared Isaacman would be able to command other space missions, which he is not financing, e.g. NASA missions. But what would we the point for him to become a NASA employee ?
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Could any them transfer into Space X astronaut group if they were so inclined after the flight?
Assuming all goes well, and they want to... It would certainly not surprise me if one or more of them ended up going to space again.
There is no astronaut group at SpaceX yet, as far as we know. But they could be prime candidates to be involved in some fashion.
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Level of training and skill sets needed means these types of missions aren't for any 4 people who can pay ticket price. Need 1 or 2 that are capable of fly capsule in an emergency. I don't think Sion just missing out on NASA astronaut selection may have something to do with being chosen.
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It's very entertaining to watch these shows. It's clear to me that Jared wanted to have the same type of experience and training that a "regular", NASA astronaut would have. I suspect that SX wanted to have the first commercial experience be a bit more cautious and a bit more on the safe and routine side.
I wonder if in the future, the commercial dragon flight training experience will change into something closer to the Virgin G profile ... just a week or so and then go.
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Having watched the latest two episodes, I have to say what an impressive person and great mission commander Jared is. I do believe a lot of people could go to space, given the opportunity, but I'm not sure how many people could be a good commander. I'm not sure how aware SpaceX were of Jared's leadership skills before selling this mission, but they're definitely off to a great start for the first fully private flight with no previous astronaut experience.
Also, people talk about how Dragon is autonomous, as if anyone could ride in it, but I have no doubt that the Inspiration 4 crew have earned the right to be called astronauts.
Agree! Definitely astronauts.
And also agreed on Jared.
I wonder how much of an impact the experience will have on the SpaceX training process - the jet aircraft used during the training are Jared's.
That would be an awesome hobby for Jared. "Yes, I'll command your tourist mission this month, no charge."
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Level of training and skill sets needed means these types of missions aren't for any 4 people who can pay ticket price. Need 1 or 2 that are capable of fly capsule in an emergency.
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Generally agree. Those people would be considered crew (https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-III/subchapter-A/part-401) (emphasis in original)...
Crew means any employee or independent contractor of a licensee, transferee, or permittee, or of a contractor or subcontractor of a licensee, transferee, or permittee, who performs activities in the course of that employment or contract directly relating to the launch, reentry, or other operation of or in a launch vehicle or reentry vehicle that carries human beings. A crew consists of flight crew and any remote operator.
Flight crew means crew that is on board a vehicle during a launch or reentry.
Pilot means a flight crew member who has the ability to control, in real time, a launch or reentry vehicle's flight path.
NB: "...any employee or independent contractor of a licensee, transferee, or permittee...". Presumably SpaceX is the licensee or equivalent (have not seen an FAA launch license specific to this mission). Nor do we know details of contractual relationship between SpaceX and Inspiration4 or individuals. E.g., some or all may be operating under a contractor (or similar) arrangement with SpaceX which could make them "crew", and more specifically, "flight crew".
See also §460 Subpart A - Launch and Reentry with Crew (https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-III/subchapter-C/part-460/subpart-A), which provides more detail on requirements, including "pilot", "remote operator", etc. Expect Jared meets those requirements; not sure about others. Also, we don't know if SpaceX will be providing a "remote operator"?
What that means for future similar non-government crew-participant-whatever launches is clear as mud to me. Would love to see a story on the specific arrangements between SpaceX and Inspiration4, and their discussions with FAA. Hope Eric Berger (or someone) has that on the list.
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Watched through the most recent episode and this documentary is amazing. It far exceeded any expectations I had for it. Lots of really good details of the internals of SpaceX and how the training works.
I don't really get the couple of people who criticized the writing/production. I think the writing/production is amazingly on point. Especially the closing scene of episode 1 juxtapositioning the old "superhuman" astronauts and the girl with the rod in her leg and her leg having different measurements between her two legs. And the music with the repeated lines "For the times they are a-changin". It's about the changing of spaceflight from professionals to amateurs. It's rare you see writing this good in these types of documentaries. And then the very last scene "for the times they are a-changin" with the little child putting on a space helmet. It was like just perfect. I cried.
(Engineers can be emotional people too, don't let your want of technical things blind you to emotions. We're Humans, not Vulcans.)
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I know this isn’t strictly the documentary but continuing some of the annoying commentary on this mission was some of the questions asked at the live press conference. Which I thought were dealt with good grace.
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Going back and reading earlier stuff on this thread, and these reviews made me gag. How can people be so out of touch with reality? How can these reviewers have their heads so far up their own *** that they can write such drivel.
Part of it is that to these reviewers (and others who are unfamiliar with the benefits of space flight) space exploration/tourism is seen as a niche luxury.
That is why you hear the constant "what if we spent space funding on solving x problem." Some of this is just ignorance and some of it is an attempt to gin up controversy and clicks.
The truth is of course that we spend far more money on many other "non-problem solving" pursuits. Americans spend far more on beer than NASA. Hollywood, professional sports leagues, the NCAA, etc. are multi-billion dollar industries but you don't hear anyone demanding that that money be transfered to solve problem x.
The difference is that those pursuits are not seen as "luxuries" in the broader culture. Hopefully this mission, futher commercial astronaut flights, and things like the Artemis Program/Accords will help disabuse people of the notion that space is a just a luxury.
More people will see that space is in fact an essential part of life and will become even more so in the future.
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Just finished the Netflix Inspiration4 documentary with my wife. Both thoroughly enjoyed it, especially seeing the training they went through and their growth, both as a team and as individuals. I recommend if only to live a little vicariously through their experiences.
Having done only a small amount of hiking with large vertical feet gains, seeing the Rainer climb was intimidating. I think my highest climb in a hike was only 2,300 ft / 700m so to see them climb twice that in the snow made my legs tired.
The g-forces training was also intense!
I only wished we got to see more of the actual dragon training. All we got was a brief launch sim and a fire in pressurized section sim.
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1438019248589258755
Watch Countdown on Netflix about Inspiration4 mission launching today
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Sometimes I think astronauts and mission managers have this skill (or superpower) of being able to answer clueless and/or annoying press people without resorting to "what a stupid question, go away". Would instantly disqualify me.. ;D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBVqsqqm9AM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBVqsqqm9AM)
There is a special program for the launch on the Netflix Youtube channel.
Has Netflix the capacity to broadcast events live in their own environment or is it necessary for them to use Youtube ?
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..snip... I just knew space stations were coming and that humans on Mars were next. And then...nothing. ...in space, nobody can hear the crickets... It's long past time, and I cannot wait for this mission to unfold!
Yep, I hear you. I like the phrase about the crickets :-)
One of my favorite songs is Mudhoney's "Where is the Future"
Astronauts were orbiting Earth
The Space Age was in sight
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[Chorus]
Where is the future that was promised us
Where is the future for everyone
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I want to live in a floating city
I want to drive a bubble car
I want to fly with my personal jet pack
I want to visit my family on Mars
I want to live in an era of peace
Of Love and Justice, Wonder and Truth
I want a world run by giant brains
Instead of small-minded arrogant fools
Human beings don't buy (or buy in) because of data. They buy only if the thing makes them feel good - if it makes them feel better to imagine that thing in their life. We need more people to think about space and to recognize that the door is opening for them too. I hope this mission, and this series, gets people feeling about space again!
I think the selection process got it right.
Everybody can see, or want to see, a little bit of each of the crew inside all of us.
My favorite is Hayley noting that she is probably the only person going/gone to space without actually applying for it.
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Sometimes I think astronauts and mission managers have this skill (or superpower) of being able to answer clueless and/or annoying press people without resorting to "what a stupid question, go away". Would instantly disqualify me.. ;D
I'm making a blind assumption but the 4 and astronauts may have a PR coach teaching them to do just that. Learning to do media coaching is a specialization in sports management and possibly other talent management programs.
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My favorite is Hayley noting that she is probably the only person going/gone to space without actually applying for it.
First done by Laika in 1957 ;)
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In a letter to Publico, a major portuguese newspaper, an important politician of that country criticized the upcoming era of private spaceflight, literally spouting nonsense such as "these billionaires want to escape Earth and leave the rest of us to deal with an environmental nightmare".... https://www.publico.pt/2021/07/23/opiniao/opiniao/culpa-merkel-ganancia-espacial-1971489
I wrote a retort about the many benefits of private access to space, also managing to mention Inspiration4: https://www.publico.pt/2021/08/01/opiniao/opiniao/acesso-privado-espaco-bem-humanidade-1972635
Criticism of private spaceflight is evermore popular among demagogues and populists [deleted]. We will definitely see more and more "spaceflight-shaming" in the future, along with the already quite widespread "flight-shaming". Quite a lot of people honestly believe that returning to a sort of pre-industrial society is the only way to save the planet. Sadly, they manage to convince a lot of people of their ridiculous views.
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Loved the launch, loved the Netflix episodes can't wait for finale. Got see peek in the life of some SpaceXers and what their blood, swet, tears deliver. You knew when they told them they were cleared by SpaceX Medical and Mission Manger that it was for real this time. Jared and his Crew mates are awesome. Wish one of them was nerdy enough to say that their Call Sign was Shur'tugal and Resilience was their Dragon.
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Loved The Series so far. Great look at their training and peek inside SpaceX and their SpaceXers. Jared is awesome and his Crew mates are truly genuine in their excitement, they are definitely getting dream of life time. Fly in Planes, Jets, Mountain Hiking and then the grand finale of flying in Space for 3 days. Ordinary people are getting to do that, they didn't have pay steep 50 Million + to go either.
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Personally, this crew is special. The Netflix documentaries have been open and expansive.
Feel like I know them.
What they choose to give us, on-orbit, is a gift... theirs to give at their discretion.
I've been watching manned spaceflight since Gemini.
This is WAY more than awesome for me.
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https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1439096334246682625
More angles coming in Episode 5.
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I would think there should at least be three more episodes, lift-off, space, landing...
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It'll be just one episode, but reportedly it is going to be 90 minutes, so more like two-in-one.
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I would be interested in another episode in say two years. To see what they become.
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Ok, episode 5 is a must see
https://twitter.com/drsianproctor/status/1440406356670894080
The moment when me and my amazing crew, @rookisaacman, @ArceneauxHayley, @ChrisSembroski opened up the @SpaceX cupola for the first time, a true highlight of the @inspiration4x mission. Make sure you tune into Countdown on @netflix to see more epic moments from space! @TIME
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So I finally looked at my Netflix, which I hardly do, and watched all 4 pre-launch shows and I must say compared to that cringe monster of a launch show that I suffered through. Aside from the fact that it wasn't directed at most of us I liked it. Hayley really became a star and it helped that she has a big personality and is young and photogenic. Sian has a charismatic personality and also has a really interesting story. I can't imagine having a dad who assisted Neal Armstrong and Co. on their way home and then had a visit from the man himself. Chris seems like a nice guy but got pushed into the background (at least on the show but who knows how he was seen by the crew). Jared and his wife have an interesting dynamic, I thought, and it will be interesting to see how things progress between them now that this chapter of his life is through.
It wasn't aimed at us and was more for the average Joe or Jane who has no idea what is going on out there. Probably still don't nor care. But to bash Netflix for not sciencing the show hard is pretty disingenuous because most of the audience would not have watched it.
i imagine I will watch the last episode just to do it. I hope for some great images and anything else will be gravy.
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Excellent 5th episode.
That drone shot (edit: actually it was from a plane) of the launch and in general views of the ascent in HDR were just amazing and alone make this worth watching. On a big HDR screen. Loud.
Could've watched another hour of it and frankly the after-landing part was bit too short, but those are minor issues. Some really cool bits from orbit. Sadly no clip of the Toilet Emergency, but not too surprised it was omitted.
Only thumbs down from couple of completely unavoidable mis-orderings of footage, ie. showing cool shot of nose cone closing from the cupola pointing camera before all the stuff about re-entry burn which obviously happened before the nose cone closed.
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Excellent final episode of the Inspiration4 documentary and the whole series was great. It also acts as an effective rebuttal to those complaining about private spaceflight. I mean the fact that even seeing the views of the Earth they took from cupola on a TV screen is still impactful says something. The mission in my view very much lived up to its name.
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Excellent 5th episode.
That drone shot (edit: actually it was from a plane) of the launch and in general views of the ascent in HDR were just amazing and alone make this worth watching. On a big HDR screen. Loud.
Could've watched another hour of it and frankly the after-landing part was bit too short, but those are minor issues. Some really cool bits from orbit. Sadly no clip of the Toilet Emergency, but not too surprised it was omitted.
Only thumbs down from couple of completely unavoidable mis-orderings of footage, ie. showing cool shot of nose cone closing from the cupola pointing camera before all the stuff about re-entry burn which obviously happened before the nose cone closed.
Loved the episode as well. One suggestion to folks with fancy 4K, HDR, OLED/QLED TVs: don't watch Netflix via the Windows client (I use my 4K HDR TV as a computer monitor as well.) You'll get terribly pixilated, non-4K, non-HDR output. If you use your Smart TV Netflix client instead, you'll get all of the glorious 4K HDR picture. I had to go back and rewatch the launch sequence properly and it's a night and day difference in picture quality.
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You can easily find one of these on your newsstand.
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https://twitter.com/johnpisaniphoto/status/1443991323996983304
Truly an exciting moment for the CP team. I felt a huge sense of responsibility placing remote cameras ahead of I4. They had to work & the shots had to come out great so we could share them with the world. Little did we know it would end up in the #Inspiration4 documentary 🤯
twitter.com/considercosmos/status/1443988653487890434
The @inspiration4x docu-series on Netflix shared some of the most beautiful @SpaceX launch cinematography we've seen. Many great shots... including one by our team!!🥳 This slow-mo captured by @johnpisaniphoto. Did you catch it?
🎥Watch in 4k here: https://youtu.be/ciBNBCH-AAA
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After following the mission and watching the Netflix episodes I can see some of the crew going to space again…
Pure speculation…
I can see Jared Isaacman starting his own space company, or perhaps even working for SpaceX…just as long as he gets another ride to space..
Hayley Arceneaux was, IMHO, the rockstar on this mission…her presence on camera, handling of the media and life story makes her an ideal candidate to participate in the future Dear Moon flight.
Dr. Sian Proctor won’t bother reapplying to NASA…why wait years looking for a flight ( I’m looking at you Jeremy Hanson), but she will return to space…her artistic skills, social media skills, piloting skills will get her to space again..somehow..
As for Chris Semroski…my sense is he’s done with space…i didn’t get the impression he was ever really comfortable in doing this flight..
Anyhooo…my $0.02…
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After following the mission and watching the Netflix episodes I can see some of the crew going to space again…
Pure speculation…
I can see Jared Isaacman starting his own space company, or perhaps even working for SpaceX…just as long as he gets another ride to space..
Hayley Arceneaux was, IMHO, the rockstar on this mission…her presence on camera, handling of the media and life story makes her an ideal candidate to participate in the future Dear Moon flight.
Dr. Sian Proctor won’t bother reapplying to NASA…why wait years looking for a flight ( I’m looking at you Jeremy Hanson), but she will return to space…her artistic skills, social media skills, piloting skills will get her to space again..somehow..
As for Chris Semroski…my sense is he’s done with space…i didn’t get the impression he was ever really comfortable in doing this flight..
Anyhooo…my $0.02…
Hayley and the same goes for Jared and Sian seemed like ducks to water. I could well imagine all three flying again. Chris I think will probably more likely follow up on his statement of visiting all the places he could see from space. I could well imagine Jared investing in the Starship program.
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yeah my take on it also.
Chris seems happy to go off an explore Earth (nothing wrong with that) and I wouldn't be surprised to see the other 3 fly again sometime.
Couple of interesting clips in it - the rumble from the air flow during descent was nice and you could see them experiencing some Gs in the same clip.
Going up-hill appears to be smoother than I thought it would be. The camera may be stabilized but you should still see some shaking of the crew but I didn't see much of any.
Good stuff.
After following the mission and watching the Netflix episodes I can see some of the crew going to space again…
Pure speculation…
I can see Jared Isaacman starting his own space company, or perhaps even working for SpaceX…just as long as he gets another ride to space..
Hayley Arceneaux was, IMHO, the rockstar on this mission…her presence on camera, handling of the media and life story makes her an ideal candidate to participate in the future Dear Moon flight.
Dr. Sian Proctor won’t bother reapplying to NASA…why wait years looking for a flight ( I’m looking at you Jeremy Hanson), but she will return to space…her artistic skills, social media skills, piloting skills will get her to space again..somehow..
As for Chris Semroski…my sense is he’s done with space…i didn’t get the impression he was ever really comfortable in doing this flight..
Anyhooo…my $0.02…
Hayley and the same goes for Jared and Sian seemed like ducks to water. I could well imagine all three flying again. Chris I think will probably more likely follow up on his statement of visiting all the places he could see from space. I could well imagine Jared investing in the Starship program.
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The other thing that struck me about Hayley is she was the only one with no interest in space, or spaceflight, before the mission. But she had an amazing time and became a formidable mission ambassador. Clearly her energy, enthusiasm and positive attitude played a huge part. I think it bodes well for major expansion of human spaceflight in the coming decade.
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Dr. Sian Proctor won’t bother reapplying to NASA…why wait years looking for a flight ( I’m looking at you Jeremy Hanson), but she will return to space…her artistic skills, social media skills, piloting skills will get her to space again..somehow..
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Doctor Proctor have a decent shot being the first geologist on Mars landing aboard the Heart of Gold with the first SpaceX Mars crewed mission.
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https://twitter.com/wordsmithfl/status/1444379070851133441
If the @netflix #Inspiration4 documentary series doesn't get a bucket of Emmys next year, there's no justice in the world.
Four people with nothing in common learn to work together for the future of humanity. That's what this was about. A global lesson for us.
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This was a thoroughly enjoyable series for my wife and me. Usually, my wife tries to enjoy these kinds of things for my sake. But this one didn't take much effort. :)
In addition to all that's been said above, the series is a glossy infomercial for crewed Dragon and what you might get for spending $150 million or $200 million with SpaceX. It shows that SpaceX will work with you to make a unique, meaningful experience. And that you are in safe hands with the company.
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Jeff Foust's review: https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4255/1
BTW this show is currently 8.1/10 on imdb.
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https://twitter.com/arceneauxhayley/status/1446298947618844687
My face when you haven’t watched Countdown: Inspiration4 Mission to Space on @netflix yet