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Title: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Satori on 06/28/2019 02:34 pm
According to 9ifly Chinese space forum, Yaogan-30-group 05 will be launched from Xichang in July 2019.
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Liss on 06/28/2019 07:07 pm
July 22?
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 06/29/2019 04:48 am
July 22?

This is the date that shows up on spaceflightfans.cn .
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 07/08/2019 08:01 am
9ifly mentions a July 26 launch
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Satori on 07/10/2019 11:53 am
9ifly mentions a July 26 launch

Launch to take place around 03:30UTC on July 26.
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: tehwkd on 07/22/2019 07:45 am
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Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: PM3 on 07/26/2019 01:26 am
NOTAM still active - two and a half hours until launch.
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 07/26/2019 02:19 am
There are reports of T-0 at 04:03 UTC.
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 07/26/2019 04:00 am
9ifly thread.

http://www.9ifly.cn/thread-92240-5-1.html

SFF page.

http://www.spaceflightfans.cn/event/long-march-2c-rocket-launch-yaogan-30-05-trio-satellite?instance_id=2659
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 07/26/2019 04:03 am
Launch should be happening about now.
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 07/26/2019 04:03 am
https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1154600496549650432
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 07/26/2019 04:08 am
Apparently liftoff confirmed.

https://twitter.com/LaunchStuff/status/1154603866337488896
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: GELORD on 07/26/2019 04:13 am
 liftoff confirmed!
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 07/26/2019 04:18 am
Launch video! Can't see the rocket though.

https://www.weibo.com/tv/v/HFeCfrxlz?fid=1034:4398276305433750
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 07/26/2019 04:36 am
Launch success confirmed. T-0 was at 03:57 UTC.
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 07/26/2019 04:38 am
Successful launch!

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/i1JXtAs0773PoT6AWWr1pA

"People's Liberation Army newspaper Xichang July 26 (Zhu Rongxiong, reporter Yu Weirong) July 26, 2019 at 11:57, China's Xichang Satellite Launch Center with the Long March II C carrier rocket, successfully launched the remote sensing 30 05 sets of satellites into a predetermined orbit.

Remote sensing 30 05 satellites using multi-star network mode, mainly used to carry out electromagnetic environmental detection and related technology tests. The launch was the 308th flight of the Long March series of launch vehicles."
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: tehwkd on 07/26/2019 04:40 am
THE ROCKET HAS GRIDFINS!!!
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 07/26/2019 04:44 am
Success banner.

http://www.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=92240&pid=666153
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 07/26/2019 04:48 am
THE ROCKET HAS GRIDFINS!!!

Great spot! Here's a closer view.
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/26/2019 04:48 am
Rui's article:

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1154614448151289856
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 07/26/2019 05:00 am
Launch preparation photos and another launch video.

"On July 26th, at 11:57 a.m., the Long March II C rocket (hereinafter referred to as the "Long Second Prop rocket") developed by the Rocket Academy ignited its launch at the Xichang Satellite Launch Center, and "One Arrow Samsung" put the remote sensing 30 05 satellite into into orbit, and the launch was a complete success."

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/ClQZiKs24lzolKgFpmDjVQ

Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 07/26/2019 05:04 am
Official acknowledgement of the grid fin test:

https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1154616906680115200
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: russianhalo117 on 07/26/2019 05:38 am
Official acknowledgement of the grid fin test:

https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1154616906680115200
What about the gray thermal coating.
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Jarnis on 07/26/2019 11:51 am
Official acknowledgement of the grid fin test:

https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1154616906680115200

I wonder where they got that silly idea. Steering a falling booster, with grid fins... Where I have seen that before...  ;D

In all seriousness, not a bad idea if you are going to drop them on land. Next up, they'll paint an X at the targeted drop zone...
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Satori on 07/26/2019 01:27 pm
THE ROCKET HAS GRIDFINS!!!

On the second stage?
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Lars-J on 07/26/2019 01:48 pm
THE ROCKET HAS GRIDFINS!!!

On the second stage?

No, that is the interstage. (Attaches to the first stage)
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 07/26/2019 02:37 pm

3 objets have been cataloged

2019-045A/44449 in 589 x 604 km x 35.00°
2019-045B/44450 in 589 x 605 km x 34.99°
2019-045C/44451 in 589 x 604 km x 35.00°
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: anik on 07/26/2019 03:01 pm
No, that is the interstage. (Attaches to the first stage)

During rocket's assembly it is attached to the second stage.
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Liss on 07/26/2019 03:35 pm

3 objets have been cataloged

2019-045A/44449 in 589 x 604 km x 35.00°
2019-045B/44450 in 589 x 605 km x 34.99°
2019-045C/44451 in 589 x 604 km x 35.00°
A new orbital plane, 180° from the most populated one.
So you are not OK with 36 satellites anymore. You'll need 72 to fill all the 12 positions in all of six planes.
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Lars-J on 07/26/2019 05:36 pm
No, that is the interstage. (Attaches to the first stage)

During rocket's assembly it is attached to the second stage.

Indeed, but that’s more of a function if how they vertically stack this rocket. (Probably to avoid working with explosive bolts high up) It is then bolted on permanently to the first stage it seems.
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Lewis007 on 07/27/2019 05:01 am
Launch video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr7BGqICc-o
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: jcm on 07/27/2019 03:58 pm

3 objets have been cataloged

2019-045A/44449 in 589 x 604 km x 35.00°
2019-045B/44450 in 589 x 605 km x 34.99°
2019-045C/44451 in 589 x 604 km x 35.00°
A new orbital plane, 180° from the most populated one.
So you are not OK with 36 satellites anymore. You'll need 72 to fill all the 12 positions in all of six planes.


Surprising that no 2nd stage has been cataloged - all previous YG-30 missions had a second stage in slightly lower orbit.

Edit: Jul 28, 2nd stage now cataloged
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 07/28/2019 10:44 am
https://twitter.com/aj_fi/status/1155427192874176512

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Grid fins on the Chinese Long March 2C that launched 3 reconnaissance satellites on Friday. CASC claims they helped more precisely define the 1st stage drop zone & lower chance of damage downrange. Also a step towards reusable launchers. mp.weixin.qq.com/s/brJRqR17XYfn…
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Damon Hill on 07/28/2019 07:50 pm
Official acknowledgement of the grid fin test:

https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1154616906680115200

Maybe steer it into a really big dumpster?  Or have they seen the light and are studying reuse?  Pragmatic, those Chinese.
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 07/29/2019 01:50 am
Official acknowledgement of the grid fin test:

https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1154616906680115200

Maybe steer it into a really big dumpster?  Or have they seen the light and are studying reuse?  Pragmatic, those Chinese.

Both. For the current LM-2/3/4 series retro-fitting for reuse is not suitable, but they can use the grid fins as is to minimize the drop zone areas. They are planning for possible first stage vertical landing and reuse versions of the LM-6 & 8, although I understand that the plans are still in flux right now.
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: GELORD on 07/29/2019 06:42 am
China successfully tests accurate landing of rocket debris

BEIJING, July 28 (Xinhua) -- China has successfully tested the technology that can accurately control the landing site of falling rocket parts, making progress toward reusable launch vehicles in the future, China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC) said on Sunday.

The CASC said that the test was carried out following a Long March-2C rocket launched on Friday, and focused on grid fins which are like "wings" on rocket core part to increase precision in control of its landing location.

According to experts from the CASC, the rocket' flight trajectory is designed to avoid densely populated areas. But after completing the mission, the rocket debris falls under no control with a wide range of landing points which sometimes involve inhabited areas.

In order to ensure the safety of people's lives and property, the currently practice is to evacuate people to the safety zone before each mission, which is not only inconvenient for the local people, but increases the cost and task difficulty.

The success of the test is of great significance for improving China's inland rocket landing safety, minimizing the inconvenience to the local people, as well as promoting the follow-up development of carrier rockets' controllable recovery, soft landing and reuse, according to He Wei, an official with the CASC.

"The swinging grid fins were used to control the rocket debris' direction and attitude, much like the wings of the debris," said Cui Zhaoyun, the deputy chief designer of Long March-2C rocket. The landing site control of large and medium rockets is much more difficult than that of small rockets, he added.

Source: Xinhua| 2019-07-29 00:06:36|Editor: yan
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-07/29/c_138265259.htm

Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: GELORD on 07/29/2019 07:01 am
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: kevinof on 07/30/2019 09:33 am
Longmarch 2 get's Falcon-like fins

"Shanghai-based online news outlet The Paper reported that the 2C’s grid fins were developed by a team of about a dozen engineers, all under the age of 35.

The team also designed a new companion electrical control system to control the fins, taking about six months to complete the task. The report said China was the second country to master the technology, after the United States."

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3020411/lift-chinas-long-march-grid-fin-tech-space-race-reusable-rockets
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 08/04/2019 06:02 am
Rocketcam view of grid fin operations:

https://youtu.be/RzAh5WliucI
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 08/05/2019 03:10 am
...and official English version:

https://youtu.be/NeqJgKudNlU
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 08/31/2019 07:13 pm
Launch code was 07-105
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: limen4 on 11/23/2019 09:08 pm
Some additional information about the CX-5 satellites based on commemorative items issued by Shanghai Engineering Center for Microsatellites (microsat):
- designed life time: 18 months
- mass: 345 kg
- intended constellation: 100 satellites (?)
Notice also the more detailed view on the spacecraft on left margin of the stamp sheet.
Title: Re: Yaogan-30 Group 05 - CZ-2C - XSLC - July 26, 2019 (03:57 UTC)
Post by: Skyrocket on 11/23/2019 10:44 pm
Notice also the more detailed view on the spacecraft on left margin of the stamp sheet.

This view unfortunately shows an UFO (or UHF F/O) satellite of the US Navy. See https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/ufo-4.htm