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Title: Can a thruster using geomagnetic fields and superconductors generate a thrust?
Post by: lidan2019 on 01/27/2019 08:22 am
As shown in the figure, the thruster is equipped with a geomagnetic field convergence layer, which is a superconducting material. The geomagnetic field convergence layer repels and blocks the magnetic flux of the geomagnetic field, so that the magnetic flux of the geomagnetic field passes through the narrow area between the upper and lower convergence layers. The geomagnetic field intensity B in the narrow area between the convergent layers of the geomagnetic field is enhanced.The thruster is also equipped with a electrifying coil, and the lower end of the coil is located in a narrow area between the convergent layers.
Title: Re: Can a Thruster that uses geomagnetic fields and superconductors generate lift?
Post by: Lar on 01/27/2019 04:30 pm
All thrusters have to do work. Is this doing work against the earth's magnetic field? What energy is being put into the system to do the work? Electrical?

How is this better than an electrodynamic tether, which does work against the earth's magnetic field via current flow?
Title: Re: Can a Thruster that uses geomagnetic fields and superconductors generate lift?
Post by: lidan2019 on 01/28/2019 02:32 am
It against the Earth's magnetic field by electric current, you need to input electrical energy, and connect the battery at both ends of the coil. Because the earth's magnetic field is enhanced,Compared with electrodynamic tether, it has a greater driving force.
Title: Re: Can a Thruster that uses geomagnetic fields and superconductors generate lift?
Post by: ChrisWilson68 on 01/28/2019 04:32 am
It against the Earth's magnetic field by electric current, you need to input electrical energy, and connect the battery at both ends of the coil. Because the earth's magnetic field is enhanced,Compared with electrodynamic tether, it has a greater driving force.

Forcing field lines into a smaller cross-section won't help you get more thrust per unit power.  The only way to do that is by reducing losses in the tether system, such as the heating of the tether or heating of other parts of the system (likely responsible for nearly all the losses).
Title: Re: Can a thruster using geomagnetic fields and superconductors generate a thrust?
Post by: elektryx tech on 04/02/2019 04:59 pm
If you want this to work, both superconductors need to be on the inside of the coil.

If you want this to go up, you will need to add a tether otherwise it will just flip over or go sideways. Also will need to be launched from north or south poles.

Might be able to use this to push a vehicle in a north or south direction, but horribly inefficient compared to an electric motor.
Title: Re: Can a Thruster that uses geomagnetic fields and superconductors generate lift?
Post by: LMT on 04/16/2019 02:12 pm
It against the Earth's magnetic field by electric current, you need to input electrical energy, and connect the battery at both ends of the coil. Because the earth's magnetic field is enhanced,Compared with electrodynamic tether, it has a greater driving force.

Forcing field lines into a smaller cross-section won't help you get more thrust per unit power.  The only way to do that is by reducing losses in the tether system, such as the heating of the tether or heating of other parts of the system (likely responsible for nearly all the losses).

To maximize thrust you'd consider the Lorentz force equation:

F = I L x B

B is a given, so you increase thrust by increasing current and/or cable length. 

[L x B] is maximized with a straight cable, perhaps extended over some kilometers with innovative boom construction. 

Current might be maximized with large solar arrays.  To get past the current-limiting problem of Joule heating, you could certainly consider a superconductor, if coolant were available.

Some notes in another thread:

ISEP:  Integrated Structural Electrodynamic Propulsion (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=45674.0)

(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Keith_Fuhrhop2/publication/264037776/figure/fig1/AS:669543072555010@1536642916110/Method-by-which-thrust-and-torque-are-generated-with-the-Integrated-Structural.ppm)
Title: Re: Can a thruster using geomagnetic fields and superconductors generate a thrust?
Post by: MathewOrman on 08/27/2019 10:00 pm
Yes, bu the Laplace force would be to small to be useful in propelling anything... :-)
Title: Re: Can a thruster using geomagnetic fields and superconductors generate a thrust?
Post by: Bob012345 on 08/29/2019 06:47 pm
Yes, bu the Laplace force would be to small to be useful in propelling anything... :-)

Electromagnetic tethers using the Earths magnetic field have been tested in space. The Lorentz force isn't too small to be useful.
Title: Re: Can a thruster using geomagnetic fields and superconductors generate a thrust?
Post by: RonM on 08/29/2019 07:39 pm
There's enough force for attitude control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetorquer