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Title: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 01/05/2018 02:21 PM
Not sure what is launching on this day, but there are two NOTAMs indicating another launch from Jiuquan:

A0043/18 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N330725E0981352-N331206E0974845-N340456E0980241-N340012E0982802 BACK TO START.VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL. GND - UNL, 13 JAN 07:03 2018 UNTIL 13 JAN 07:31 2018. CREATED: 05 JAN 13:18 2018

A0042/18 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N350912E0984502-N351245E0982545-N354147E0983340-N353701E0985931 BACK TO START.VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL. GND - UNL, 13 JAN 07:03 2018 UNTIL 13 JAN 07:25 2018. CREATED: 05 JAN 13:17 2018
Title: Re: ? - ?? - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (~07:20 UTC)
Post by: schenkus on 01/05/2018 03:49 PM
The zones seem to be identical to the zones from LKW-1 and LKW-2, so this might be LKW-3:

https://twitter.com/HenriKenhmann/status/949302996030054401
Title: LKW-3? - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (~07:13 UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 01/05/2018 05:12 PM
Yes the NOTAMED zones are close, I propose to call it LKW-3? for the time being (and also to set  a tentative T0 around 07:13 UTC if GP has no objection ;) )

  LKW-1 CZ-2D  - JSLC- 3/12/2017
  A3663/17 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:N350925E0984346-N351301E0982430-N354201E0983231-N353712E0985821 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL. GND - UNL, 03 DEC 04:03 2017 UNTIL 03 DEC 04:26 2017. CREATED: 01 DEC 06:35 2017
A3661/17 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:N330743E0981215-N331228E0974709-N340515E0980115-N340028E0982635 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL. GND - UNL, 03 DEC 04:04 2017 UNTIL 03 DEC 04:32 2017. CREATED: 01 DEC 06:33 2017


  LKW-2 CZ-2D JSLC 23/12/2017
  A3664/17 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:N350925E0984346-N351301E0982430-N354201E0983231-N353712E0985821 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL. GND - UNL, 23 DEC 04:03 2017 UNTIL 23 DEC 04:26 2017. CREATED: 01 DEC 06:37 2017
A3662/17 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:N330743E0981215-N331228E0974709-N340515E0980115-N340028E0982635 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL. GND - UNL, 23 DEC 04:04 2017 UNTIL 23 DEC 04:32 2017. CREATED: 01 DEC 06:34 2017


  LKW-3?  CZ-2D?  JSLC 13/1/2018
  A0042/18 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N350912E0984502-N351245E0982545-N354147E0983340-N353701E0985931 BACK TO START.VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL. GND - UNL, 13 JAN 07:03 2018 UNTIL 13 JAN 07:25 2018. CREATED: 05 JAN 13:17 2018
A0043/18 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N330725E0981352-N331206E0974845-N340456E0980241-N340012E0982802 BACK TO START.VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL. GND - UNL, 13 JAN 07:03 2018 UNTIL 13 JAN 07:31 2018. CREATED: 05 JAN 13:18 2018
 
 
Title: Re: LKW-3? - CZ-2D? - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (~07:13 UTC)
Post by: Avengers on 01/06/2018 11:35 AM
This shows a total of two satellites:
http://t.cn/RHroTRd
Title: Re: LKW-3? - CZ-2D? - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (~07:13 UTC)
Post by: Satori on 01/06/2018 11:43 AM
This shows a total of two satellites:
http://www.spaceflightfans.cn/event/long-march-2d-rocket-launch-land-resource-exploration-satellite-three

So, that will be the Saudisat-5B satellite?
Title: Re: LKW-3? - CZ-2D? - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (~07:13 UTC)
Post by: limen4 on 01/06/2018 02:27 PM
I have got to know that the military post office of JSLC has planned a set of 4 souvenir enveloppes on the occasion of the LKW launches.The first two enveloppes MPO-JF154(4-1) and MPO-JF154(4-2) were allready issued commemorating LKW-1 and LKW-2. We can assume that the remaining enveloppes resp. LKW-3 and LKW-4 will come soon.
Title: Re: LKW-3? - CZ-2D? - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (~07:13 UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 01/06/2018 08:28 PM
2 years old information on Saudi Sat 5B which might be relevant:
http://www.arabnews.com/saudi-arabia/news/868266
Title: Re: LKW-3? - CZ-2D? - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (~07:13 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/13/2018 06:13 AM
Launch should be happening about now.
Title: Re: LKW-3? - CZ-2D? - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (~07:13 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 01/13/2018 06:14 AM
I made a search for clues about this launch, but nothing turned up so far. ˉ\_(ツ)_/ˉ
Title: Re: LKW-3? - CZ-2D? - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (~07:13 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 01/13/2018 06:27 AM
Apparently launched at 07:10 UTC.
Title: Re: LKW-3? - CZ-2D? - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (~07:13 UTC)
Post by: Liss on 01/13/2018 06:28 AM
Word is out she's lanched at 15:10 BJT.
Title: Re: LKW-3? - CZ-2D? - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (~07:13 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 01/13/2018 06:39 AM
Launch success has been confirmed by CASC. It was indeed LKW-3 launching on the CZ-2D.....but no other payloads were mentioned: http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/GHxUSOKbDg2PzYELHeAW7w (http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/GHxUSOKbDg2PzYELHeAW7w)
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 01/13/2018 06:45 AM
Some launch photos can be found here: http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/ke9pEkmqRNie6wJbuQbFKw (http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/ke9pEkmqRNie6wJbuQbFKw)

This launch used CZ-2D s/n Y49.
Title: Re: LKW-3? - CZ-2D? - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (~07:13 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/13/2018 07:00 AM
Launch success has been confirmed by CASC. It was indeed LKW-3 launching on the CZ-2D.....but no other payloads were mentioned: http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/GHxUSOKbDg2PzYELHeAW7w (http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/GHxUSOKbDg2PzYELHeAW7w)

Some images from the site.
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: Liss on 01/13/2018 07:28 AM
Steven, images lkw3-02 and lkw2-04 are from previous launches as referenced at the Chinese report.
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: Liss on 01/13/2018 07:36 AM
This launch was (both officially and unofficially) the 99th space launch from Jiuquan. Seems LKW-4 would be the 100th.
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: Chris Bergin on 01/13/2018 09:42 AM
Rui's article:

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2018/01/long-march-2d-ludikancha-weixing-satellite-1/

Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 01/13/2018 03:50 PM
A first object has been cataloged by USSTRATCOM:

2018-006A/43146 in 488 x 503 km x 97.34
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 01/13/2018 03:56 PM
Short launch video
http://tv.cctv.com/2018/01/13/VIDEANvabdVftzpxknmVGaW2180113.shtml

Launch code could be "01-86"
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/14/2018 03:12 AM
Steven, images lkw3-02 and lkw2-04 are from previous launches as referenced at the Chinese report.

Thanks. I've deleted those images.
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 01/14/2018 03:44 PM
Bigger versions of launch photos:
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: Phillip Clark on 01/14/2018 03:57 PM
Has the launch code been confirmed, please?   I have not seen any of the launch control room shots for this launch, and they usually show the code.
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 01/14/2018 04:10 PM
4 more objects have been cataloged; could be 4 retro rocket fairing tops from the 2nd stage

2018-006B/43147 in 491 x 512 km x 97.24
2018-006C/43148 in 476 x 500 km x 97.31
2018-006D/43149 in 465 x 496 km x 97.37
2018-006E/43150 in 432 x 499 km x 97.45
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 01/14/2018 04:34 PM
LKW-3 orbit's RAAN is 44 degrees greater than the one for LKW-1 and LKW-2
LTDN: 1:24 pm
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 01/14/2018 04:58 PM
Has the launch code been confirmed, please?   I have not seen any of the launch control room shots for this launch, and they usually show the code.
No confirmation but as LKW-2 launch code was confirmed as "01-85" (see below), we would expect "01-86" for this one
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: Phillip Clark on 01/14/2018 05:45 PM
Has the launch code been confirmed, please?   I have not seen any of the launch control room shots for this launch, and they usually show the code.
No confirmation but as LKW-2 launch code was confirmed as "01-85" (see below), we would expect "01-86" for this one

I *never* assume anything with the Chinese, no matter how reasonable it might be!!! :)
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: GELORD on 01/15/2018 04:43 AM
only this quality
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: SciNews on 01/16/2018 09:45 PM
The lack of official information suggests a failure to reach the desired orbit.
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: russianhalo117 on 01/16/2018 10:52 PM
The lack of official information suggests a failure to reach the desired orbit.

LKW-3's orbit is nominal minus the RAAN and inclination in relation to the first two LKW's.

Catalogued as 2017-084A/43080.   The orbit is coplanar with the first satellite in the series.
Confirmed!

LKW-2's orbit at epoch 10:04Z: 491 x 502 km x 97.46  RAAN: 70.60     2017-084A/43080
LKW-1's orbit at epoch 04:52Z: 488 x 504 km x 97.46  RAAN: 69.72     2017-077A/43034

Satellite longitude difference: 180
LTDN: 10:30 am
A first object has been cataloged by USSTRATCOM:

2018-006A/43146 in 488 x 503 km x 97.34
LKW-3 orbit's RAAN is 44 degrees greater than the one for LKW-1 and LKW-2
LTDN: 1:24 pm
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: SciNews on 01/19/2018 07:51 AM
LKW-3's orbit is nominal minus the RAAN and inclination in relation to the first two LKW's.
Sorry, should have said "The lack of official information suggests some kind of failure"
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: Phillip Clark on 01/19/2018 08:19 AM
LKW-3's orbit is nominal minus the RAAN and inclination in relation to the first two LKW's.
Sorry, should have said "The lack of official information suggests some kind of failure"

Or the lack of information could be because the Chinese have said all that they want for the first two satellites and they don't want to repeat it.
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: Liss on 01/19/2018 05:59 PM
LKW-3's orbit is nominal minus the RAAN and inclination in relation to the first two LKW's.
Sorry, should have said "The lack of official information suggests some kind of failure"
Can't see any problem in this. First pair of LKWs has local descent node crossing at 10:30 and the second pair at 13:30. Very reasonable.
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: Lewis007 on 01/20/2018 07:52 AM
Video of launch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUgSJMJUKu4
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: GELORD on 01/29/2018 08:18 PM
Anyone found the rocket serial number?
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: Alter Sachse on 01/29/2018 08:21 PM
Anyone found the rocket serial number?
see #12
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: GELORD on 01/29/2018 08:29 PM
CZ-2D  Y49
Title: Re: LKW-3 - CZ-2D - Jiuquan - January 13, 2018 (07:10 UTC)
Post by: Liss on 02/12/2018 12:57 PM
Ummm... it's occured to me that LKW-1 and -2 are working at exactly the same orbital height as the three Tianhui mapping satellites. A coincidence or not?