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Title: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/18/2006 03:36 am
Full live updates for the final full flight days (FD10/11) and the return home (FD12).
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10/11 Return Home
Post by: Zachstar on 09/18/2006 03:39 am
--Crew Wakeup---

Has there ever been so many people on orbit?

6 on the shuttle

3 on ISS

3 on TMA-9
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10/11 Return Home
Post by: nathan.moeller on 09/18/2006 04:04 am
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Zachstar - 17/9/2006  10:26 PM

--Crew Wakeup---

Has there ever been so many people on orbit?

6 on the shuttle

3 on ISS

3 on TMA-9

I'm pretty sure this is a first.  I can't recall there ever being more than 11 on orbit at one time.  Hey Chris do we have a thread for the Soyuz launch?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10/11 Return Home
Post by: astrobrian on 09/18/2006 04:16 am
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=3404&posts=152#M69307  There is a live update thread for launch yes
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10/11 Return Home
Post by: Joffan on 09/18/2006 05:05 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaceflight_records (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaceflight_records)

1997: 13 people in orbit, 7 on Discovery, 6 on Mir.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10/11 Return Home
Post by: chksix on 09/18/2006 08:15 am
NASA tv webstream just died. Is that just my end or everyone?

OK it came back, at very low quality though.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10/11 Return Home
Post by: jacqmans on 09/18/2006 10:26 am
Final RCC and Tile inspections
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10/11 Return Home
Post by: DaveS on 09/18/2006 10:41 am
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Chris Bergin - 18/9/2006  5:23 AM

Full live updates for the final full flight day (FD10) and the return home (FD11).
Actually, FD11 is FCS check-out and RCS hot-fire(Tuesday), landing is on FD12. Maybe you thought that they would perform the FCS check-out, RCS hot-fire and late inspections on the same day?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10/11 Return Home
Post by: psloss on 09/18/2006 11:35 am
FYI, with the shift change over (Orbit 1's last shift of the mission), a status briefing is coming up at the top of hour...
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10/11 Return Home
Post by: dutch courage on 09/18/2006 12:08 pm
There was a suspected fire in the Russian SM. A strange smell was detected. Pavel was wearing a protective mask.
Any more info?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10/11 Return Home
Post by: psloss on 09/18/2006 12:10 pm
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dutch courage - 18/9/2006  7:55 AM

There was a suspected fire in the Russian SM. A strange smell was detected. Pavel was wearing a protective mask.
Any more info?
Discussion over in the ISS forum, but not much to add.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10/11 Return Home
Post by: psloss on 09/18/2006 12:13 pm
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psloss - 18/9/2006  7:22 AM

FYI, with the shift change over (Orbit 1's last shift of the mission), a status briefing is coming up at the top of hour...
Not sure this will happen as announced based on the situation on the ISS right now...
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10/11 Return Home
Post by: psloss on 09/18/2006 12:23 pm
Guess not...here's the briefing as announced...
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10/11 Return Home
Post by: psloss on 09/18/2006 12:32 pm
Briefing started...Mike Suffredini is there.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10/11 Return Home
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/18/2006 12:42 pm
ISIS-LCS  OBSS Latched
Microswitch 2 showed not latched.  The same failure happended previously.  temp at latch was 53  

MER MGR  MER-14 Anomaly recurred after MMOD Late Inspection Latching of the OBSS
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: sts1canada on 09/18/2006 09:41 pm
The STS-115 landing groundtracks for the landing attempts on Wednesday, September 20th are now available.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/sts115/mission_docs/landing.html

Richard


Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Joffan on 09/18/2006 10:20 pm
I guess Wednesday will be KSC attempt only - any news?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: psloss on 09/18/2006 10:31 pm
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Joffan - 18/9/2006  6:07 PM

I guess Wednesday will be KSC attempt only - any news?
Yes, KSC only on Wednesday...the ascent entry flight director, Steve Stich, will discuss the landing opportunities and philosophy after he gets off shift tomorrow in the mission status briefing...currently scheduled for 8 am Eastern tomorrow (Tuesday).
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Jason on 09/18/2006 10:58 pm
What would the approximate altitude be on that ground track over Cuba and are there any overflight issues? I'm assuming that speed and altitude are sufficient enough to not even have to worry about overflight issues if there were any. Obviously at some altitude everything above would have to be considered international airspace, right?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Jim on 09/18/2006 11:04 pm
The shuttle is > 60K while near KSC.  It is much higher over Cuba
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Joffan on 09/18/2006 11:48 pm
Here's a good pdf link (http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/nasafact/pdf/LandingSS-2005.pdf) on the landing (and post-landing) process. About 5.5 minutes before touchdown the orbiter is only 96km (60 miles) away laterally and still 25km (83kft) high.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: DaveS on 09/19/2006 02:29 am
3 minutes away from the FD11 wake-up. High-lights of FD11 is FCS check-out and RCS hotfire. Also later today the KU band antenna will be stowed so no more live video from Atlantis.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: DaveS on 09/19/2006 02:39 am
The wake-up music is now being played for the crew officialy beginning FD11.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: chksix on 09/19/2006 08:00 am
That simulation software for the laptops would be interesting to see ;)
The CDR & PLT are practicing the entry and landing on laptops today.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: chksix on 09/19/2006 09:55 am
How are these PAO events programmed? Is each channel allocated a fixed amount of time to ask questions?
Just asking because I've noticed that quite often news channels tell the crew to hold on while we wait for the interviewer to pay attention to the STS crew instead of some other live tv event. Worst case was during the previous flight when we got to hear a complete live report from Lebanon before attention was shifted to the shuttle.
When they "burn" time like that will it eat into the other station's time? Since the KU band time is limited there should be pressure on the news channels to start talking asap. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Jester on 09/19/2006 10:15 am
There are some weather issues for the wednesday attempt
Chance of showers within 30 miles and Crosswinds @ 15 (Exceeds limits)
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/19/2006 10:16 am


(Official comments)

02:54:38  NASA S&MA  UFO Spotted!! (------)
Unidentified Falling Object spotted by PLB cameras, no one knows what or who it is.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Jester on 09/19/2006 10:17 am
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: kneecaps on 09/19/2006 11:22 am
Hell...interesting to see? We should get a copy! The PGSCs run windows....

Spaceref has some interesting info on this stuff:
http://www.spaceref.com/shuttle/computer/

Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: psloss on 09/19/2006 01:38 pm
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psloss - 18/9/2006  6:18 PM

Yes, KSC only on Wednesday...the ascent entry flight director, Steve Stich, will discuss the landing opportunities and philosophy after he gets off shift tomorrow in the mission status briefing...currently scheduled for 8 am Eastern tomorrow (Tuesday).
Steve Stich said in the mission status briefing that the current strategy is KSC only on Wednesday.  They have consummables through Saturday, but would like to be "wheels stop" no later than Friday.

If they can't make it in tomorrow (Wednesday) and weather forecast holds -- saying that the cold front moves through the KSC area -- it will be KSC only on Thursday, too.

Steve Stich said he might call up Edwards for Thursday if they wave off tomorrow and the weather changes from forecast significantly (for example, the front stalls out in the area).

Edwards would be called up for Friday if it gets that far.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: DaveS on 09/19/2006 02:36 pm
Did anyone see the clip of the mysterious object recorded earlier?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: DaveS on 09/19/2006 02:51 pm
NASA TV is playing that clip again. It was recorded by the INCO officer at 5:05 am EDT this morning.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: chksix on 09/19/2006 02:54 pm
Are they suspecting it fell off Atlantis?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: DaveS on 09/19/2006 02:57 pm
Maybe. Relative velocity to Atlantis was very small, object had a black colour and the camera was looking towards Earth.

They're doing a survey of Atlantis right now.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: chksix on 09/19/2006 03:01 pm
I guess they're discussing wether to do a OBSS visual scan of the underside.

The question is, what caused it to fly off? What they did today was test the aerosurfaces and all thrusters. The thrusters have been used before on the flight but the ailerons have been freefloating.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: rdale on 09/19/2006 03:05 pm
"what caused it to fly off?"

Wouldn't we need to identify what it could be before asking that question?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: DaveS on 09/19/2006 03:05 pm
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chksix - 19/9/2006  4:48 PM

I guess they're discussing wether to do a OBSS visual scan of the underside.
I don't think they'll use the OBSS. The RMS is more than able to do a visual scan of the underside.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: chksix on 09/19/2006 03:07 pm
Hm yeah ;)
I was thinking along the lines that if we check what happened today vs the day yesterday after undocking we might get an idea.
I hope Chris is in the loop and can drop us the news soon.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: DaveS on 09/19/2006 03:08 pm
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rdale - 19/9/2006  4:52 PM

"what caused it to fly off?"

Wouldn't we need to identify what it could be before asking that question?
Exactly. Right it still an unknown object. It can be anything from a single tile to Atlantis's own shadow being magnified.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Oli4 on 09/19/2006 03:13 pm
That's what I thought too DaveS. I thought it was a shadow indeed...
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: dutch courage on 09/19/2006 03:17 pm
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DaveS - 19/9/2006  4:55 PM

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rdale - 19/9/2006  4:52 PM

"what caused it to fly off?"

Wouldn't we need to identify what it could be before asking that question?
Exactly. Right it still an unknown object. It can be anything from a single tile to Atlantis's own shadow being magnified.

To me it looked like the orbit was different and far lower. The camera angle had to be changed constantly.
It was fairly large so I bet they know what that was at NORAD.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: DaveS on 09/19/2006 03:50 pm
Did you see that? Multiple shiny objects.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: DaveS on 09/19/2006 03:52 pm
NASA has Real and Windows Media clips of the mystery object here: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/main/index.html
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: chksix on 09/19/2006 03:58 pm
The shiny objects, could they be droplets or exhaust from the nozzles?
I'll stop guessing now....
(The lack of info is frustrating)
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Bubbinski on 09/19/2006 04:01 pm
Hopefully they'll have spy satellites trained on Atlantis also to figure out if everything is okay.  Did the crew or onboard sensors report any unusual vibrations or impacts/hits before the object was seen?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: DaveS on 09/19/2006 04:02 pm
They're waving off tommorow's planned landing at KSC due to the bad weather expected.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: dutch courage on 09/19/2006 04:14 pm
POST MMT BRIEFING comming up with Wayne Hale.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: MKremer on 09/19/2006 04:15 pm
Post-MMT briefing coming up in a bit.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: chksix on 09/19/2006 04:27 pm
If they could have pointed two cameras at the object they would have gotten the distance and it's size. As I understand it one camera at a time can be controlled only.

Hopefully it was just the gapfiller/spacer that was hanging out before.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Jorge on 09/19/2006 04:35 pm
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chksix - 19/9/2006  11:14 AM

If they could have pointed two cameras at the object they would have gotten the distance and it's size. As I understand it one camera at a time can be controlled only.

Only one camera can be controlled at a time, but control can be switched back and forth between cameras fairly rapidly, at least from the aft flight deck control panel. I'm not sure how fast the INCO can switch between cameras from the ground. However, triangulation is only practical if the object is fairly close, within about 240 ft or so. The pan-tilt units on the cameras are belt-driven and the digital pan-tilt angles are open-loop, so they are not terribly precise. So attempting triangulation with the payload bay cameras will not necessarily give good information.

It appears that the strategy is going to be centered on inspecting the orbiter rather than identifying the object.
--
JRF
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: psloss on 09/19/2006 04:47 pm
Kyle Herring relayed that the next MMT meeting is scheduled for 4 pm Eastern, with a briefing following the meeting NET 6 pm Eastern.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: DaveS on 09/19/2006 04:53 pm
Crew has spotted the object and managed to photograph it. This was just after the post-MMT meeting breifing had started.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: chksix on 09/19/2006 04:58 pm
Wasn't that just an audio replay from the time they spotted the first object? Or is that a new one?

Nice view of the three spacecraft and their positions
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: psloss on 09/19/2006 05:00 pm
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DaveS - 19/9/2006  12:40 PM

Crew has spotted the object and managed to photograph it. This was just after the post-MMT meeting breifing had started.
Thanks for the update, Dave...can't monitor air-to-ground right now...

Anybody know if it's possible to use a rendezvous laser (handheld) to do a distance estimate?

Might not be a good target, but just wondering...
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: DaveS on 09/19/2006 05:01 pm
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chksix - 19/9/2006  6:45 PM

Wasn't that just an audio replay from the time they spotted the first object? Or is that a new one?
Nope. It was from just after top of the hour. I guess they're waiting for the next good KU pass to downlink the photos.

Also, it wasn't the crew that was the first to spot the object, it was the INCO officer while doing some standard Earth observation ops with the payload bay cameras.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: chksix on 09/19/2006 05:02 pm
OK thanks!

RMS in use now to allow the elbow cam to get better views of the payload bay.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Jim on 09/19/2006 05:35 pm
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dutch courage - 19/9/2006  11:04 AM

It was fairly large so I bet they know what that was at NORAD.

Too small
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Radioheaded on 09/19/2006 05:41 pm
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Jim - 19/9/2006  1:22 PM  
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dutch courage - 19/9/2006  11:04 AM  It was fairly large so I bet they know what that was at NORAD.
 Too small



Jim,roughly how small would be too small for NORAD? (Hope that isn't classified ) :o
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: dougb on 09/19/2006 06:04 pm
I have read they track object 4" and bigger.
I don't know their true capability.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: MKremer on 09/19/2006 06:08 pm
About 10cm for LEO. The type of object can affect detection ability, too (how well the material its made of reflects radar, or its shape).
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Waterfalldescender on 09/19/2006 06:12 pm
Based on what I've seen of the object on NASA TV, and FOX news...that object is way too big for a gap filler. Wayne Hale speculated that is what it could be, but the video doesn't compute with that.  I'm sure we will find out soon enough.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: nathan.moeller on 09/19/2006 06:16 pm
Sorry for coming into the thread so late but does anyone have a still image of the object?  I'm curious to see what it looks like.  I read a third inspection may be ordered for the timeline tomorrow.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: chksix on 09/19/2006 06:20 pm
To me it looked like a rectangular flat piece that rotated slowly while drifting.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Oli4 on 09/19/2006 06:22 pm
The crew took pictures of it I recall. So they will be coming down soon I hope.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: nathan.moeller on 09/19/2006 06:22 pm
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chksix - 19/9/2006  1:07 PM

To me it looked like a rectangular flat piece that rotated slowly while drifting.

From what I've been reading on this thread I've gathered that it's too small to be the shimstick Hale talked about.  Is there a chance we're talking about the loss of a TPS tile here?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: chksix on 09/19/2006 06:23 pm
A bit too rectangular and flat for being a tile IMO.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/19/2006 06:25 pm
Tiger Team set up over the debris observed.

KU stowage held off.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Oli4 on 09/19/2006 06:34 pm
Excuse my query but what is the Tiger Team?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: backspace on 09/19/2006 06:36 pm
Flame tranch has a story about this object perhaps hitting the starboard wing....

No discussion on that angle here... can anyone confirm that the sensors indicated an impact?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/19/2006 06:38 pm
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Oli4 - 19/9/2006  7:21 PM

Excuse my query but what is the Tiger Team?

It's where all the top engineers etc. sit down and work out a problem, as such.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: vt_hokie on 09/19/2006 06:39 pm
I read about sensors detecting an impact on a wing leading edge - I think on msnbc, but don't quote me on that.  The story is out there, in any case.  Fingers crossed...
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/19/2006 06:40 pm
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backspace - 19/9/2006  7:23 PM

Flame tranch has a story about this object perhaps hitting the starboard wing....

No discussion on that angle here... can anyone confirm that the sensors indicated an impact?

We're not going to guess or speculate. I'm waiting for the day's MMT presentation, which we've been putting on L2 for 115, to give us the official rundown, then we'll do an article.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: MKremer on 09/19/2006 06:51 pm
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vt_hokie - 19/9/2006  1:26 PM

I read about sensors detecting an impact on a wing leading edge - I think on msnbc, but don't quote me on that.  The story is out there, in any case.  Fingers crossed...

Could be what Wayne Hale described in the briefing - the leading edge sensor data dump indicated 8 small impacts over a period of about 2 minutes. They still have to research that data to match it to the orbiter events taking place during that time, since the impact sensor data isn't monitored or captured by MCC in real time - it's saved on orbit and dumped down only periodically.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: psloss on 09/19/2006 06:51 pm
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backspace - 19/9/2006  2:23 PM

Flame tranch has a story about this object perhaps hitting the starboard wing....
One person's sensationalism is another person's way to increase hit counts...
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: lucspace on 09/19/2006 06:53 pm
Spaceflightnow.com is reporting a second object having been observed... wonder what their source is...?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/19/2006 07:20 pm
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psloss - 19/9/2006  7:38 PM

One person's sensationalism is another person's way to increase hit counts...

Some media are falling over themselves with this.

We're watching the actual chatter going on and right now there seems to be an awful lot of speculation. We're waiting for the actual official comments presented to the MMT.

It's called being accurate.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: nathan.moeller on 09/19/2006 07:22 pm
SFN reports an impact on Atlantis' left wing 14 seconds after liftoff on September 9.  Could it have been a tyvek cover that triggered the sensors?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: nathan.moeller on 09/19/2006 07:24 pm
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Chris Bergin - 19/9/2006  2:07 PM

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psloss - 19/9/2006  7:38 PM

One person's sensationalism is another person's way to increase hit counts...

Some media are falling over themselves with this.

We're watching the actual chatter going on and right now there seems to be an awful lot of speculation. We're waiting for the actual official comments presented to the MMT.

It's called being accurate.

Amen to that.  Is the briefing still scheduled for NET 3 PM EDT?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Paul Adams on 09/19/2006 07:28 pm
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Chris Bergin - 19/9/2006  2:07 PM

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psloss - 19/9/2006  7:38 PM

One person's sensationalism is another person's way to increase hit counts...

Some media are falling over themselves with this.

We're watching the actual chatter going on and right now there seems to be an awful lot of speculation. We're waiting for the actual official comments presented to the MMT.

It's called being accurate.

The only responcible stance to take Chris; well done!

Paul
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: DaveS on 09/19/2006 07:30 pm
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nathan.moeller - 19/9/2006  9:11 PM
Is the briefing still scheduled for NET 3 PM EDT?
The actual meeting of the MMT is 4 pm EDT, with the briefing at NET 6 pm EDT.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: MKremer on 09/19/2006 07:35 pm
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nathan.moeller - 19/9/2006  2:09 PM

SFN reports an impact on Atlantis' left wing 14 seconds after liftoff on September 9.  Could it have been a tyvek cover that triggered the sensors?

The sensors early after launch could be reading something other than an actualy 'impact' - as Wayne Hale and some others have mentioned, something like the seating of one or more RCS or T-seal panels as the wing is flexing just after launch could potentially trigger a sensor reading.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: collectSPACE on 09/19/2006 07:43 pm
Photos taken by the STS-115 crew of the debris, obtained from a source, are now online here.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: joncz on 09/19/2006 07:47 pm
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collectspace - 19/9/2006  3:30 PM

Photos taken by the STS-115 crew of the debris, obtained from a source, are now online here.

That's the same stingray that got Steve Irwin.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: lucspace on 09/19/2006 07:49 pm
I guess the yellifish-like appearance of the debris in the first picture is due to the movement of the object, and the object is actually staple-shaped?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Oli4 on 09/19/2006 07:49 pm
Are these pictures from the first or the second event?
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: psloss on 09/19/2006 07:51 pm
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collectspace - 19/9/2006  3:30 PM

Photos taken by the STS-115 crew of the debris, obtained from a source, are now online here.
Thanks, Robert.

You realize that you've just released a Rorschach test for space cadets, though, right?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: MKremer on 09/19/2006 07:53 pm
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Oli4 - 19/9/2006  2:36 PM

Are these pictures from the first or the second event?

Looks like the 2nd event, as there's no reports the crew was able to see the 1st event object, and they only reported taking pics of the 2nd object.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: lost_shaman on 09/19/2006 08:01 pm
Interesting considering Vinogradov also reported an "unknown object" on Sept. 11 '06.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Flightstar on 09/19/2006 08:02 pm
Plastic Bag
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Post by: oscar71 on 09/19/2006 08:05 pm
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lost_shaman - 19/9/2006  2:48 PM

Interesting considering Vinogradov also reported an "unknown object" on Sept. 11 '06.

I vaguely recall that incident.  I believe he said it was worm like.


Edit:
Sorry, it was another incident from the 1990s that I was thinking about.  I believe it was on Mir.
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Post by: hoorenz on 09/19/2006 08:07 pm
And did he see any engines on that worm to do the same seperation burns Atlantis did?
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Post by: ApolloLee on 09/19/2006 08:19 pm
Being circular and white, this looks similar to the ice debris from the main engines seen in the last mission... but would it fall off this late in the mission?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: daveglo on 09/19/2006 08:23 pm
NASA TV back live from Atlantis, payload bay remote inspections in progress.

MMT meeting in progress.

FD highlights at 4:00 pm CDT.
MMT news briefing at 5:00 pm CDT.

Live coverage of Soyuz docking tonight @ 11:30.
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Post by: psloss on 09/19/2006 08:47 pm
A little tidbit from Bill Harwood -- "UPDATED at 3 p.m. with additional details on wing leading edge sensors":
http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/current.html

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But earlier today, "we saw some eight small indications over a couple of minute period," Hale said. "To me, eight indications is not necessarily what I would expect from a micrometeoroid event. It could be some residual from the flight control system check out or the reaction control system hotfire we do. So the team is off looking at that."

Within a few hours, engineers were able to precisely time out the data, showing the sensor was responding to vibrations associated with the hydraulic system. The wing leading edge sensors have never been operational during flight control system checkout and as one source said, "we learn something new on every flight."

(My emphasis.)
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Post by: uko on 09/19/2006 08:52 pm
my quess.. the object was ice.. again


GO ATLANTIS!

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Post by: daveglo on 09/19/2006 09:28 pm
NASA TV replaying 3-way conversation between Atlantis, ISS, & Expedition 14.
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/19/2006 09:38 pm
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daveglo - 19/9/2006  10:15 PM

NASA TV replaying 3-way conversation between Atlantis, ISS, & Expedition 14.

That was a nice touch.
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Post by: daveglo on 09/19/2006 09:50 pm
Now they're replaying the interviews between the Atlantis crew and some local TV stations.  The crew are real heroes for graciously answering some of the inane questions being put to them.  One lady just confused the ISS smoke event with the orbiter.  Some of these folks are really in a higher orbit.

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Post by: psloss on 09/19/2006 09:52 pm
That was the flight day highlights video.
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/19/2006 10:01 pm
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Post by: ericr on 09/19/2006 10:13 pm
I hardly wait to get home and turn on the TV.

"UFO spotted by Shuttle crew - More tonight in our 6:00 newscast"
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/19/2006 10:17 pm
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Post by: psloss on 09/19/2006 10:17 pm
MMT still meeting...briefing no earlier than 6:30 pm Eastern.
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Post by: psloss on 09/19/2006 10:23 pm
Reviewing video and air-to-ground from earlier today and I heard Brent Jett ask for a consummables update overnight, which I guess we'll see in tomorrow's execute package.  I'm curious now, though, if the predictions for consummables with respect to landing opportunities would be changed much by systems that have remained powered and then possible activities tomorrow...
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Post by: Sphereion on 09/19/2006 10:25 pm
Well we're getting a nice tour around the orbiter.
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Post by: Andy L on 09/19/2006 10:30 pm
Any ideas what it is yet Chris?
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Post by: rdale on 09/19/2006 10:36 pm
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Andy L - 19/9/2006  6:17 PM

Any ideas what it is yet Chris?

I only know Chris from this forum - but he doesn't appear to be the type of person that would sit on this information until someone asked ;> Pull up NASATV online or on your TV and watch the press briefing that'll be up soon, or just hit F5 for a while...
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/19/2006 10:38 pm
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Andy L - 19/9/2006  11:17 PM

Any ideas what it is yet Chris?

If I hear anything new, I'll post it.

I'm not Rolf "Do you know what it is yet" Harris ;)
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: GioFX on 09/19/2006 10:42 pm
eheh

but were the multiple hit signatures today or on launch day?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: psloss on 09/19/2006 10:44 pm
MMT meeting still on-going...briefing now NET 7 pm Eastern
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Post by: rdale on 09/19/2006 10:46 pm
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GioFX - 19/9/2006  6:29 PM

were the multiple hit signatures today or on launch day?

Back one page - psloss post.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: RedSky on 09/19/2006 10:47 pm
That MCC orbit plot is looking pretty crowded now that Soyuz is closing in.  Too bad no evening orbital passes over my area.  It would be something to see all three vehicles, ISS, STS, and Soyuz streak across the sky in succession.  

Just heard post-MMT press conf is to be 7pm edt.
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Post by: Joffan on 09/19/2006 11:03 pm
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Chris Bergin - 19/9/2006  4:25 PM
I'm not Rolf "Do you know what it is yet" Harris ;)
must've been the extra leg that confused us then...
Linking smoothly onwards, there's certainly been plenty of entertainment on this trip - NASA has finally realised it's in show business... and my betting is that this debris is more of the same, "nothing much" that has been cautiously treated as serious and done more to retain the interest of the fickle public.
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Post by: GioFX on 09/19/2006 11:12 pm
ty, just asked cause someone spoke about some wing sensors readings on launch day, IIRC, which i didn't hear about...
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: psloss on 09/19/2006 11:14 pm
Sounded from PAO a couple of minutes ago like the MMT is still meeting...
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Post by: psloss on 09/19/2006 11:17 pm
PAO reports the meeting concluded...briefing in the next 10 minutes...
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Post by: Avron on 09/19/2006 11:25 pm
Anyone know the alt of the Soyuz .. station and shuttle are at 181Nm.. wonder if they will see each other as the Soyuz flys below the shuttle.
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Post by: psloss on 09/19/2006 11:27 pm
Wayne Hale coming up...Avron, I think there was a nice graph on L2 showing relative distances of the orbiter and the Soyuz in a presentation yesterday...

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Post by: nathan.moeller on 09/19/2006 11:28 pm
Briefing starting.
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Post by: Avron on 09/19/2006 11:32 pm
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Post by: James (Lockheed) on 09/19/2006 11:33 pm
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psloss - 19/9/2006  6:14 PM

Wayne Hale coming up...Avron, I think there was a nice graph on L2 showing relative distances of the orbiter and the Soyuz in a presentation yesterday...


Yes, MMT presentation for Flight Day 10.
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Post by: Avron on 09/19/2006 11:35 pm
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/19/2006 11:40 pm
Wayne Hale is brilliant, isn't he. That is a very clear and honest overview of where we are.
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Post by: chksix on 09/19/2006 11:42 pm
He's a true hero :)
Never losing his temper with the journalists.
And also explaining everything so that even school children can understand.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: GioFX on 09/19/2006 11:52 pm
indeed, he's the best manager the program could get... he stepped in after Columbia, right? what was his position within the Program before that?
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Stardust9906 on 09/19/2006 11:55 pm
Hale's NASA biography at http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/about/biographies/hale.html
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: DaveS on 09/19/2006 11:56 pm
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GioFX - 20/9/2006  1:39 AM

indeed, he's the best manager the program could get... he stepped in after Columbia, right? what was his position within the Program before that?
Well, prior to Columbia he was Flight Director, with the last being Ascent/Entry FD for STS-113. For 114 he was the deputy SSP manager with Bill Parsons as the SSP manager.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: GioFX on 09/19/2006 11:59 pm
I see, thanks!
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Post by: MKremer on 09/20/2006 12:03 am
Interesting that nobody asked about any affect on the impact of these extra inspections on cryo consumables (because of the extra power needed) and if that might have any impact on mission length.
(Likely won't, but worth asking nevertheless.)
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Jim on 09/20/2006 12:04 am
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Joffan - 19/9/2006  6:50 PM
must've been the extra leg that confused us then...
Linking smoothly onwards, there's certainly been plenty of entertainment on this trip - NASA has finally realised it's in show business... and my betting is that this debris is more of the same, "nothing much" that has been cautiously treated as serious and done more to retain the interest of the fickle public.

wrong
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: GioFX on 09/20/2006 12:06 am
well, i think when they talked about saturday they considered the limiting factor, which should be the fuell cells...
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Post by: psloss on 09/20/2006 12:09 am
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MKremer - 19/9/2006  7:50 PM

Interesting that nobody asked about any affect on the impact of these extra inspections on cryo consumables (because of the extra power needed) and if that might have any impact on mission length.
(Likely won't, but worth asking nevertheless.)
You know, I forgot that Steve Stich said (and it was in the L2 presentation yesterday) that the limiter was LiOH (canisters).
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Mark Dave on 09/20/2006 12:10 am
I heard on the news that if Atlantis has to go back to ISS there is some complication with Expedition 14 docking. Is this so or is the news blowing it out to get more viewers?
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Post by: GioFX on 09/20/2006 12:13 am
i don't think so... Atlantis would dock after the Soyuz...
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Post by: MKremer on 09/20/2006 12:18 am
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MarkD - 19/9/2006  6:57 PM

I heard on the news that if Atlantis has to go back to ISS there is some complication with Expedition 14 docking. Is this so or is the news blowing it out to get more viewers?

The latter.
The matter would have been raised here early on if that were the case.
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Post by: nathan.moeller on 09/20/2006 12:39 am
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MKremer - 19/9/2006  7:05 PM

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MarkD - 19/9/2006  6:57 PM

I heard on the news that if Atlantis has to go back to ISS there is some complication with Expedition 14 docking. Is this so or is the news blowing it out to get more viewers?

The latter.
The matter would have been raised here early on if that were the case.

Exactly.  The only complication would be a crowded ISS.  Twelve people would be on board at once.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Joffan on 09/20/2006 12:53 am
Now that would be a record, 12 people in orbit in one craft. Fortunately it's almost certainly not going to happen: given the WHale's remarks about on-board temperature sensors, there is no major damage.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: Flightstar on 09/20/2006 12:54 am
ABC lead the news with a disaster type sensation style crap.
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Post by: Gary on 09/20/2006 01:10 am
What was this 'violent' judder that goes through the shuttle when doing the FCS check out? I didn't quite catch that part.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: nathan.moeller on 09/20/2006 01:15 am
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Gary - 19/9/2006  7:57 PM

What was this 'violent' judder that goes through the shuttle when doing the FCS check out? I didn't quite catch that part.

A lot of the RCS thrusters get a good workout during the FCS checkout and those can cause the orbiter to do some good shaking.
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Post by: MKremer on 09/20/2006 01:19 am
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Gary - 19/9/2006  7:57 PM

What was this 'violent' judder that goes through the shuttle when doing the FCS check out? I didn't quite catch that part.

Besides the hydraulic actuator checkout, they do pressure bypass tests (like quick 'burps' in the high pressure hydraulic system). That's the part Mr. Hale told of crews describing it as shudders felt through the whole orbiter.

And, since they do the bypass 8 times, and those times matched with the leading edge sensor readings, that's what allowed them to put those readings 'to bed'.
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Post by: psloss on 09/20/2006 01:23 am
Yes, he referred to it as a "port pop," which one can do an Internet search on...
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 Return Home
Post by: DaveS on 09/20/2006 02:06 am
The crew wake-up music has been sent up beginning FD12, the third day of inspections.
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Post by: James Lowe1 on 09/20/2006 02:38 am
It would be best to stay with this thread for FD12, moving to a re-entry and landing thread on Wednesday night.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Scotty on 09/20/2006 02:45 am
I highly doubt the Orbiter would have enough fuel left onboard to get back to the ISS.
They will check the TPS one more time Wednesday, then come home Thursday, weather at KSC permitting.
It is time to land that puppy.
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Post by: MKremer on 09/20/2006 02:48 am
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Scotty - 19/9/2006  9:32 PM

I highly doubt the Orbiter would have enough fuel left onboard to get back to the ISS.

I seriously doubt NASA (especially Mr. Hale) would say publicily that there's enough propellant for a Safe Haven re-docking if that weren't the case.
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Post by: nathan.moeller on 09/20/2006 02:48 am
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Scotty - 19/9/2006  9:32 PM

I highly doubt the Orbiter would have enough fuel left onboard to get back to the ISS.
They will check the TPS one more time Wednesday, then come home Thursday, weather at KSC permitting.
It is time to land that puppy.

They are staying close enough to ISS to ensure that they have plenty of time and fuel to get back to the complex in case of an emergency.  Landing will take place Thursday morning at the earliest.  If the crew is too burned out after tomorrow from the robotics operations, they will be given one more extra day in orbit and will return to Earth Friday morning.
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Post by: rdale on 09/20/2006 02:53 am
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Scotty - 19/9/2006  10:32 PM

I highly doubt the Orbiter would have enough fuel left onboard to get back to the ISS.

What do you know that the rest of us (and NASA) apparently do not?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: astrobrian on 09/20/2006 02:53 am
I see on SFN 06:21 EDT on Thursday for landing right now if no problems are seen. Is this confirmed through sources here or from MMT docs?  (slaps own hand for missing post MMT)  I only ask because the previous flightplan on that site seemed to have the landing time wrong so wanting to verify with better sources ;)
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Post by: DaveS on 09/20/2006 02:59 am
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astrobrian - 20/9/2006  4:40 AM

I see on SFN 06:21 EDT on Thursday for landing right now if no problems are seen. Is this confirmed through sources here or from MMT docs?  (slaps own hand for missing post MMT)  I only ask because the previous flightplan on that site seemed to have the landing time wrong so wanting to verify with better sources ;)
Landing time is confirmed.
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Post by: Avron on 09/20/2006 03:13 am
In the hunt for the missing piece...


Two Panoramas of the bay on FD10 made from a number of images .. one from the front and one from the back of the bay
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Post by: astrobrian on 09/20/2006 03:14 am

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DaveS - 19/9/2006  9:46 PM  
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Landing time is confirmed.

 

Thank you for the confirmation ,  I was kind of hoping for a sunrise landing, but ah well.

 

Nice panoramas of the bay Avron 

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Post by: MKremer on 09/20/2006 03:14 am
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astrobrian - 19/9/2006  9:40 PM
I see on SFN 06:21 EDT on Thursday for landing right now if no problems are seen. Is this confirmed through sources here or from MMT docs?

The time is correct - the problem is there's different sources publishing the times for either EDT or CDT (or even GMT) that it can get confutsing. :)
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Post by: MKremer on 09/20/2006 03:15 am
Those are nice, Avron!
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Post by: Avron on 09/20/2006 03:18 am
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MKremer - 19/9/2006  11:02 PM

Those are nice, Avron!


Thanks

Still trying to get some good video pans.. but the sun gets in the way.. or some pres conf.. etc..

For the canadians on the forum... :)
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Post by: Flightstar on 09/20/2006 03:19 am
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Avron - 19/9/2006  10:05 PM

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MKremer - 19/9/2006  11:02 PM

Those are nice, Avron!


Thanks

Still trying to get some good video pans.. but the sun gets in the way.. or some pres conf.. etc..

For the canadians on the forum... :)

Nice work and you have a lot to be proud of.
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Post by: Flightstar on 09/20/2006 03:20 am
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Scotty - 19/9/2006  9:32 PM

I highly doubt the Orbiter would have enough fuel left onboard to get back to the ISS.
They will check the TPS one more time Wednesday, then come home Thursday, weather at KSC permitting.
It is time to land that puppy.

They have enough to get her back to the ISS.
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Post by: realtime on 09/20/2006 03:26 am
I know it's way too early for this, but I've been wondering...

If Atlantis must return to ISS and stay there for a rescue, how long before they start running short on O2?  How many SFOGS (O2 candles) are inboard?  Is there any way to get the OGS online sooner than later, or will they just pull O2 from Atlantis?
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Post by: MKremer on 09/20/2006 03:34 am
Lots of O2, from the orbiter supplies, the Russian generator (and if needed the new U.S. O2 generator), the tanks on the U.S. airlock, and the thermal O2 generators.
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Post by: NASA_Twix_JSC on 09/20/2006 03:40 am
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MKremer - 19/9/2006  10:21 PM
 (and if needed the new U.S. O2 generator)

That isn't ready for a five-six months yet and wasn't figured into the CSCS.

However the sensationalism made of this by some other sites and media has been nothing short of stupid. Way too much  second guessing and jumping before facts. I'm glad it was reserved until data was more considered here, and there's a few more people here at JSC who are thankful too.
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Post by: realtime on 09/20/2006 03:40 am
Elektron's offline for who knows how long and the US OGS isn't scheduled to be operational until spring '07.

12 people on orbit at once.  12 O2 candles/day.  What's the inventory, I wonder?
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Post by: NASA_Twix_JSC on 09/20/2006 03:41 am
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realtime - 19/9/2006  10:27 PM

Elektron's offline for who knows how long and the US OGS isn't scheduled to be operational until spring '07.

12 people on orbit at once.  12 O2 candles/day.  What's the inventory, I wonder?

It may be on one of the huge amount of mission documentation on L2, if not I'm sure it will be on request.
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Post by: MKremer on 09/20/2006 03:49 am
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realtime - 19/9/2006  10:27 PM

Elektron's offline for who knows how long...
Eh, the Electron problem, I don't think, isn't serious enough to keep it offline if an emergency occurs. From reports of the problem, it's mainly cleanup and ensuring further operation doesn't encounter leaks again. In a Safe Haven situation I think the extra conservative restraints to operation won't be as much as a top priority. (meaning as long as it can now operate without the same type of leaks, it's ok to use - instead of preventing operation because of a mere threat of leaks)
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Post by: realtime on 09/20/2006 03:50 am
Did a search on all forums for SFOGS.  Two matches.  Neither helpful, so I'm guessing it's not there or missed by the search engine (attachments?  jpegs?).

I'm sure ISS mission control has a good idea and like I said, it's way too early to worry.  Let's hope it turns out to be unnecessary.
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Post by: Bubbinski on 09/20/2006 03:55 am
Now IF there is a CSCS situation, there wouldn't be 12 people on orbit for very long, right?  After all I would think Ansari and the Exp. 13 crew would go home on one of the Soyuzes to get them home on schedule and reduce the number of people the station has to support.  

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Post by: MKremer on 09/20/2006 04:01 am
Yes, I would guess (though it's not been publicised) that the 13 crew would exit (with Ansari) ASAP to give the rest as much life support/consumables as possible.

(It would be a damn shame if that had to happen, obviously)
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: realtime on 09/20/2006 04:10 am
Soyuz just passed 34 miles beneath Atlantis.  Pretty cool.
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Post by: Avron on 09/20/2006 04:14 am
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realtime - 19/9/2006  11:57 PM

Soyuz just passed 34 miles beneath Atlantis.  Pretty cool.


Snap...:)
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=4436&posts=7#M70075
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: MKremer on 09/20/2006 04:15 am
That's kind of close (though safe), considering how much 'space' is in space.
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Post by: Avron on 09/20/2006 04:17 am
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MKremer - 20/9/2006  12:02 AM

That's kind of close (though safe), considering how much 'space' is in space.


sounds like the Soyuz could see the Shuttle but the Shuttle has its belly facing the earth so they may not be able to see the Soyuz
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: realtime on 09/20/2006 04:19 am
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Avron - 19/9/2006  11:56 PM

Soyuz just past 34 miles below the Shuttle

Heh!  More synchronicity!

OT - They're passing instructions to STS and ISS via printer.  The crew has an "internet phone" -- VoIP?  I'm guessing there's a VPN?  I wonder if they can Google from space, or maybe even read this forum?  Does NASA IT firewall that stuff?

These protocols will probably still work well enough on Moon missions, but they'll have to work out other mission protocols for Mars.
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Post by: MKremer on 09/20/2006 04:20 am
From that distance, even picking out the orbiter bottom against the Earth would be somewhat hit-and-miss without knowing, almost exactly, where it should be.

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Post by: Avron on 09/20/2006 04:22 am
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MKremer - 20/9/2006  12:07 AM

From that distance, even picking out the orbiter bottom against the Earth would be somewhat hit-and-miss without knowing, almost exactly, where it should be.



It sounded like the STS folks could not make out what was out back of them.. Shuttle or Soyuz but they said they did see something...
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: realtime on 09/20/2006 04:23 am
Jeff Williams said he saw Atlantis on the horizon, then thought better of it -- 121 miles away.  Ground said, no, it probably was shuttle at sunrise.  Amazing.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Avron on 09/20/2006 04:31 am
Nice view..
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Post by: Bubbinski on 09/20/2006 04:37 am
Here's the back of the orbiter.

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Post by: Avron on 09/20/2006 04:40 am
Keep a eye out for Soyuz...
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Post by: realtime on 09/20/2006 04:43 am
I guess we don't get a look from the business end of the arm until later...
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Post by: Bubbinski on 09/20/2006 04:43 am
Looks like the arm's getting closer to the wing.  No sign of Soyuz yet.

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Post by: Avron on 09/20/2006 04:44 am
Looks real close to the OBSS..
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Post by: Bubbinski on 09/20/2006 04:45 am
Atlantis going into orbital night.

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Post by: Avron on 09/20/2006 04:48 am
No light... ooops.. so much for the plan...  breaks on!!!
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Post by: Bubbinski on 09/20/2006 05:01 am
Here's a sequence of Atlantis going into sunset.  Very nice.
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Post by: Bubbinski on 09/20/2006 05:02 am
Ansari docking coverage about to begin.  More pics of Atlantis around sunset.

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Post by: Bubbinski on 09/20/2006 06:28 am
NASA TV has resumed shuttle coverage.  RMS is near the left side of the nosecap.  Edit: Now the RMS is moving to the left wing.  Now orbital sunrise is going on.  Nothing out of the ordinary reported by astronauts during their scan of the right wing and nose cap.

Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Bubbinski on 09/20/2006 07:08 am
Now here's some shots of Atlantis' left wing leading edge in orbital sunlight.

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Post by: Bubbinski on 09/20/2006 07:14 am
This is worth staying up late for....lots of spectacular views from the RMS cameras.
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Post by: harryw on 09/20/2006 07:57 am
Has anyone noted whether or not the tile shim from the ET umbilical door is still attached?

Thanks-
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Stardust9906 on 09/20/2006 09:14 am
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Post by: jacqmans on 09/20/2006 09:25 am
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: jacqmans on 09/20/2006 09:33 am
theese images were recorded an hour ago...
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Post by: hoorenz on 09/20/2006 09:53 am
Looks like the piece of plastic is gone...
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Post by: psloss on 09/20/2006 10:08 am
I believe the crew just asked for an update...looks like the Orbit 1 team wasn't done for the mission, as they asked for five minutes to check with the engineering team...
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: psloss on 09/20/2006 10:11 am
They are going to go ahead and use the OBSS for inspections...
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Post by: psloss on 09/20/2006 10:25 am
RMS is rigidizing on the OBSS grapple fixture...good grapple now reported...
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: psloss on 09/20/2006 10:39 am
OBSS has been lifted off its cradle...I didn't catch the whole list of things in the survey, but I heard they were going to start on the starboard side, then go to the nose cap, then look at the elevons and speedbrake (both sides).
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 10:49 am
Maneuver to Starboard Wing Tip Position (-----)
Single Joint Maneuver, Procedure Step 2  

Uploaded a load of documents and pictures to L2. Will follow any OBSS survey updates here.

Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 10:52 am
Tiger Team (in session)

Meeting decided to go ahead with the OBSS Survey in order to get a better view of the Starboard Elevon region. Relates to the latest document, 18 pages, on L2. Showing concern here:
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 10:54 am
Tiger Team are working 11 debris issues.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Mark Dave on 09/20/2006 11:02 am
IMO I think it's a gap filler.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 11:02 am
RMS  Maneuver to Starboard Nose Cap Survey (---------)
Single joint maneuver, procedure step 4
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: psloss on 09/20/2006 11:27 am
Recent exchange between Brent Jett and Megan McArthur about the current plan for tonight (regarding Ku stow)...sounds like they are still planning on being ready to de-orbit and land tomorrow.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 11:28 am
RMS  Brakes On; crew waiting for the sun to come up - need structure clearance visuals
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: jacqmans on 09/20/2006 11:35 am
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Jim on 09/20/2006 11:44 am
Quote
realtime - 20/9/2006  12:06 AM

OT - They're passing instructions to STS and ISS via printer.  The crew has an "internet phone" -- VoIP?  I'm guessing there's a VPN?  I wonder if they can Google from space, or maybe even read this forum?  Does NASA IT firewall that stuff?

No, No, no, no
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: eeergo on 09/20/2006 11:44 am
Some particles spotted!
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 11:45 am
Holy cow, now that was more like a real UFO.

That was big and moving fast.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 11:47 am
That's woken Boeing Safety up:

"Boeing Safety: Debris from nose (------)
crew spots a piece of debris that may have past off the nose  "
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Waterfalldescender on 09/20/2006 11:48 am
Yeah, I just saw the video. It was moving very fast.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 11:48 am
Boeing Safety  Crew investigating UFO...
crew has binoculars ready
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 11:51 am
"Looks like some sort of reflective cloth. Not rigid, maybe a strap. Metalitic. Doesn't look like anything I've ever seen on the outside of the Shuttle." - Jett.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: DaveS on 09/20/2006 11:52 am
Saw multiple objects like yesterday when the INCO panned the P/LB cameras around. I counted at least 8 different objects.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: eeergo on 09/20/2006 11:52 am
First seen through window 8... passing past the nose quite fast and moving away...
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: eeergo on 09/20/2006 11:56 am
There are 3 objects...
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Waterfalldescender on 09/20/2006 11:56 am
Three objects now as reported from Atlantis...foil like substance on one
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 11:56 am
JettL "Two rings and a piece of foil":
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: eeergo on 09/20/2006 11:57 am
Nice idea from one of the astronauts: maybe some debris from the incoming Soyuz!
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: chksix on 09/20/2006 12:01 pm
Where is the water dump nozzle located on the vehicle? They had seating problems with that valve before so maybe it's leaking water that turns into ice?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Jim on 09/20/2006 12:02 pm
there are heaters on the dump nozzles
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 12:03 pm
Could have been from the Soyuz:

 Boeing Safety  Ground is Checking Trajectory of Soyuz Orbits
Passed within 20 nmi of each other.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: eeergo on 09/20/2006 12:12 pm
Could have also been some EVA hardware, according to the EVA people.
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Post by: DaveS on 09/20/2006 12:12 pm
New suggestions from the EVA folks: some kind of EVA H/W.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 12:29 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Jester on 09/20/2006 12:49 pm
Landing Opportunities

Opportunity 1: Deorbit - 4:15AM CT  Landing - 5:21AM CT
Opportunity 2: Deorbit - 5:50AM CT  Landing - 6:51AM CT
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 01:15 pm
Still conducting final scans and images:
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 01:36 pm
Arms being stowed. Looks like all inspections have been completed. NASA TV isn't showing it.
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 01:38 pm
Both RMS and OBSS are back in their home positions.

KU Bang being stowed (live from sources).
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Post by: DaveS on 09/20/2006 01:38 pm
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Chris Bergin - 20/9/2006  3:23 PM

Arms being stowed. Looks like all inspections have been completed.
On-time too! Looks like chances for landing tommorow remains good.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 01:40 pm
"RMS  MRLs Latched
Aft latch indication missing as expected  "
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 01:41 pm
"MER MGR  OBSS Survey Complete
Survey is complete. The Orbiter is stowed and latched. MER-14 signature repeated itself for the 3rd time again.  "
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: FransonUK on 09/20/2006 01:43 pm
Nothing like live info like this ;)
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 01:46 pm
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FransonUK - 20/9/2006  2:30 PM

Nothing like live info like this ;)

We're hardcore ;)

As Dave noted, all looks A-Ok for on time deorbit for tomorrow's landing.

"RMS  PDRS is Go for powerdown  "
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 01:51 pm
"RMS  1 hour ahead in timeline  "

"RMS  RMS at Pre-Cradle Position  "

"08:35:11  RMS  Brakes Off  "
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 01:51 pm
"ECLSS  Landing attempt tomorrow (Thurs morning)
Poulos announced at the 0800 OPO tagup that landing will be attempted tomorrow unless the MMT decides otherwise today.  "
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 01:54 pm
"08:35:46  RMS  Messages are expected - Crew in RMS Powerdown procedure  ""
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 02:00 pm
"08:42:33  RMS  Latching  Boeing Safety  Berth RMS to MRL

"08:42:55  RMS  Latched (6 sec) good Dual Motor Time

"08:45:13  RMS  STBD MPMs stowed  

RMS  Port/Crit Temps Enabled; Htr A to OFF; RMS Powerdown is complete"
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 02:07 pm
08:47:38  RMS  Imagery clear the vehicle as "clean".

:)  :)
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 02:11 pm
08:51:52  ATCS  FES PRI A turned on Rad CNTL OT heated up
Total supply water estimated at 544 lbs
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 02:19 pm
Rudder SpeedBrake issue classed as a MER, going on L2 with a debris video.
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Bubbinski on 09/20/2006 02:22 pm
MER?  I checked the Acronyms list...MER stands for Mars Exploration Rovers.  What does MER stand for in a shuttle context?  Thanks!
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Post by: psloss on 09/20/2006 02:25 pm
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Bubbinski - 20/9/2006  10:05 AM

MER?  I checked the Acronyms list...MER stands for Mars Exploration Rovers.  What does MER stand for in a shuttle context?  Thanks!
Mission Evaluation Room...there's a list of in-flight problems on L2 and I guess this one goes on the list.

Edit: Chris didn't post on the specifics, so I'll leave that to him...

Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Jim on 09/20/2006 02:29 pm
The issues/anomalies are actually documented on MER chits
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Post by: avitek on 09/20/2006 02:59 pm
RE: Acronyms.
There is on my site a rather big (37,000+) list of acronyms, mainly in English, but many Russian too, see

http://www.lib.cas.cz/www/space.40/INDEXA.HTM

Use pull-down alphabet in a lightviolet field, or alphabet at the top of main window; to jump into list according the first two letterst, use the links at the booto of main window.

Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/20/2006 03:56 pm
MMT fully expected to give go-ahead for Atlantis to come home tomorrow.

Only the speedbrake is being worked, and that should not be a constraint.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: rdale on 09/20/2006 04:13 pm
MMT Press Conference in 5 minutes (noon EDT / 16Z)

Per call on the Big Loop, MMT cleared the vehicle for reentry tomorrow.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: DaveS on 09/20/2006 04:13 pm
CAPCOM Terry Virts has informed the crew that the MMT has met and cleared Atlantis for entry tommorow.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: dutch courage on 09/20/2006 04:25 pm
Wayne reports no issues. Go for tomorrow's landing. The unidetified flying object was probably a plastic shim.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Gagarin33 on 09/20/2006 04:38 pm
Hi i have a quastion about these objects in ISS orbit.
How long does it take for such small objects to reenter the atmosphere?
How long does it take to slow them down enough by atmospheric particles?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: dutch courage on 09/20/2006 04:51 pm
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Gagarin33 - 20/9/2006  6:21 PM

How long does it take for such small objects to reenter the atmosphere?
That depends on the speed and mass of the object.

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How long does it take to slow them down enough by atmospheric particles?
The closer to Earth the more atmospheric particles and so more slowdown.

Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: sts1canada on 09/20/2006 05:19 pm
The updated landing groundtracks for Atlantis's deorbit and landing on Thursday, September 21st are now posted below:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/sts115/mission_docs/landing.html

Richard
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Gagarin33 on 09/20/2006 05:48 pm
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dutch courage - 20/9/2006  6:34 PM

Quote
Gagarin33 - 20/9/2006  6:21 PM

How long does it take for such small objects to reenter the atmosphere?
That depends on the speed and mass of the object.

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How long does it take to slow them down enough by atmospheric particles?
The closer to Earth the more atmospheric particles and so more slowdown.


Of course, i know :)

But how long would be usual for these kind of objects?
Or lets talk about the screw they lost in the EVA.
weeks? months? years? decades? centuries ???
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Post by: DaveS on 09/20/2006 06:14 pm
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Gagarin33 - 20/9/2006  7:31 PM

Of course, i know :)

But how long would be usual for these kind of objects?
Or lets talk about the screw they lost in the EVA.
weeks? months? years? decades? centuries ???
Can we please keep this thread free of these kind of questions? They have nothing whatsoever to do with Atlantis's return to KSC tommorow.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: MKremer on 09/20/2006 06:23 pm
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Gagarin33 - 20/9/2006  12:31 PM
But how long would be usual for these kind of objects?
Or lets talk about the screw they lost in the EVA.
weeks? months? years? decades? centuries ???
It really depends on the characteristics of any particular object - its orbit parameters, mass, cross section (l/w/thickness). Also, the Earth's upper atmosphere expands and contracts at various intervals, so, as tenuous as it is, atmospheric drag can vary to effect orbital periods and re-entry possibilities.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: chksix on 09/20/2006 08:13 pm
First time I've seen cleaning ladies in the MCC on NASATV. :)
I'd like that job if that's what it takes to see JSC from the inside ;)
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Post by: Super George on 09/20/2006 08:31 pm
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chksix - 20/9/2006  2:56 PM

First time I've seen cleaning ladies in the MCC on NASATV. :)
I'd like that job if that's what it takes to see JSC from the inside ;)

Sign me up! I can make coffee too!
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: gordo on 09/20/2006 09:40 pm
Would they prefer to go for the 2nd KSC opportunity as the primary opportunity when they have sunlight to land, or do they always aim for the 1st opportunity if weather is not an issue?
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Post by: DaveS on 09/20/2006 09:46 pm
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gordo - 20/9/2006  11:23 PM

Would they prefer to go for the 2nd KSC opportunity as the primary opportunity when they have sunlight to land, or do they always aim for the 1st opportunity if weather is not an issue?
I believe they always go for the first attempt.
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Gagarin33 on 09/21/2006 12:49 am
oh is 06:21 still dark?
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Post by: Jim on 09/21/2006 12:50 am
very
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Post by: shuttlefan on 09/21/2006 12:59 am
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Jim - 20/9/2006  7:33 PM

very

Jim, would the first landing attempt be classed as a night landing?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Jim on 09/21/2006 01:05 am
Sun Rise for today 9/20                        
Actual Time    7:10 AM EDT
Civil Twilight    6:46 AM EDT
Nautical Twilight    6:19 AM EDT
Astronomical Twilight    5:51 AM EDT
Title: RE: LIVE: STS-115 - FD10-12 - Pre-Return
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/21/2006 01:06 am
Everyone move to the new thread.