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International Space Flight (ESA, Russia, China and others) => Chinese Launchers => Topic started by: SmallKing on 10/23/2017 04:29 am
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The long delayed CFOSAT will be launched in Q3, 2018
An article appearing in Digitaljournal.com yesterday about CFOSAT.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/first-joint-france-china-satellite-to-study-oceans/article/505587 (http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/first-joint-france-china-satellite-to-study-oceans/article/505587)
"France and China's space agencies unveiled their first joint satellite in Beijing Friday, which will be used to improve forecasting of ocean storms and cyclones.
The satellite, named CFOSAT (China-France Oceanography Satellite), is due to be launched next year by China and will primarily be used to study wind and ocean wave patterns." (para 1 and 2)
The satellite will be placed into Earth's orbit in the second half of 2018 by a rocket from China's "Long March" programme. The project is scheduled to last three years." (last paragraph)
First Sino-French satellite joint venture. Has France and China collaborated in other spaceflight related joint venture before?
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One of the two payloads, the SCAT(Scatterometer) manufactured by CAS has began testing
http://www.nssc.ac.cn/xwdt2015/xwsd2015/201710/t20171022_4876013.html
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The whole satellite is undergoing various testing at Beijing AIT center
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/yIZujhI1ZiikXtu0So5z7g
The attachment was from Chinaspaceflight
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Where did the Q3 launch date come from? The article says launch is in the second half of 2018.
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Where did the Q3 launch date come from? The article says launch is in the second half of 2018.
Came from the Chinaspaceflight.com schedule
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http://russian.news.cn/2018-03/31/c_137079263.htm
From Russian
Beijing, March 31 /Xinhua / -- developed by China and France Oceanographic satellite for ocean observations /China-France Oceanography Satellite, CFOSAT/ will be launched in September this year, the Chinese missile technology research Institute reported /CALT/.
CFOSAT will be launched into space on Board of the carrier rocket "Changzheng-2C" /lot a/, developed by CALT.
It is the first satellite jointly developed by China and France. He will observe the wind and waves on the surface of the ocean, and the data transmitted to them will be used by scientists from the two countries.
The satellite will contribute to the further development of technological cooperation between China and France. According to CALT, it is also called upon to contribute to the implementation of the Paris climate agreement.
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Launch schedule for October 29, 2018.
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Launch schedule for October 29, 2018.
From eoPortal Directory, https://directory.eoportal.org/web/eoportal/satellite-missions/c-missions/cfosat , given:
Orbit: Sun-synchronous near-circular orbit, altitude of 519 km, inclination = 97º, LTDN (Local Time on Descending Node) = 7:00 hours, the revisit time is 13 days.
Can the approximate launch time be computed?
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According to the Spaceflightfans.cn Chinese launch schedule, several small sats will be launched together with the CFOSAT mission: Zhaojin-1 (TY1-03), Hongyan-1 and other Tianyi sats.
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Another passenger?
https://twitter.com/Yeqzids/status/1050946709285568513
More information: http://www.sn.xinhuanet.com/2018-10/12/c_1123551580.htm
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Per CNES, the launch will be on October 29 at 00:30 UTC: https://gbtimes.com/china-france-oceanography-satellite-to-launch-from-jiuquan-on-monday (https://gbtimes.com/china-france-oceanography-satellite-to-launch-from-jiuquan-on-monday)
Technical details of the satellite: https://directory.eoportal.org/web/eoportal/satellite-missions/c-missions/cfosat (https://directory.eoportal.org/web/eoportal/satellite-missions/c-missions/cfosat)
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Satellites on this mission:
CFOSAT 'Zhongfa Haiyangxue Weixing'
Zhaojin-1 ('Tongchuan-1')
Tiange-1
Xiaoxiang-1 (02)
Tianfuguoxing-1 (Xinghe)
Changshagaoxin
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Satellites on this mission:
CFOSAT 'Zhongfa Haiyangxue Weixing'
Zhaojin-1 ('Tongchuan-1')
Tiange-1
Xiaoxiang-1 (02)
Tianfuguoxing-1 (Xinghe)
Changshagaoxin
If I understand correctly, Tiange-1 is a(gravitational wave) payload on the Zhaojin-1 sat.
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Satellites on this mission:
CFOSAT 'Zhongfa Haiyangxue Weixing'
Zhaojin-1 ('Tongchuan-1')
Tiange-1
Xiaoxiang-1 (02)
Tianfuguoxing-1 (Xinghe)
Changshagaoxin
If I understand correctly, Tiange-1 is a(gravitational wave) payload on the Zhaojin-1 sat.
Thank you for the correction!
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Satellites on this mission:
CFOSAT 'Zhongfa Haiyangxue Weixing'
Zhaojin-1 ('Tongchuan-1')
Tiange-1
Xiaoxiang-1 (02)
Tianfuguoxing-1 (Xinghe)
Changshagaoxin
What happened to Hongyan-1?
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Belarus University CubeSat CubeBel-1 (BSUSat-1) will be along for the ride, too, it seems.
http://www.dk3wn.info/p/?author=751
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Satellites on this mission:
CFOSAT 'Zhongfa Haiyangxue Weixing'
Zhaojin-1 ('Tongchuan-1')
Tiange-1
Xiaoxiang-1 (02)
Tianfuguoxing-1 (Xinghe)
Changshagaoxin
What happened to Hongyan-1?
Ups! Forgot it!
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So, updating the payloads in this mission...
CFOSAT 'Zhongfa Haiyangxue Weixing'
Zhaojin-1 ('Tongchuan-1')
Tiange-1
Xiaoxiang-1 (02)
Tianfuguoxing-1 (Xinghe)
Changshagaoxin
Hongyan-1
CubeBel-1 (BSUSat-1)
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If I understand correctly, Tiange-1 is a (gravitational wave) payload on the Zhaojin-1 sat.
Does Tiange-1 eventually separate from Zhaojin-1? If not, then it shouldn't be listed as a separate payload in Satori's list.
Satori, you previously gave TY-1 03 as another name for Zhaojin-1. Perhaps you can add that name to your list.
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NOTAMs for this launch:
A4579/18 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:N320917E0981954-N321845E0972651-N330101E0973717-N325128E0983044 BACK TO START.ALL ACFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA. VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL. GND - UNL, 29 OCT 00:40 2018 UNTIL 29 OCT 01:08 2018. CREATED: 26 OCT 09:12 2018
A4578/18 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:N355258E0990216-N355703E0983930-N362046E0984558-N361639E0990850 BACK TO START.ALL ACFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA. VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL. GND - UNL, 29 OCT 00:37 2018 UNTIL 29 OCT 00:57 2018. CREATED: 26 OCT 09:11 2018
Meanwhile, there's nothing for ZQ-1 which is supposed to launch tomorrow......
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NOTAMs for this launch:
A4579/18 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:N320917E0981954-N321845E0972651-N330101E0973717-N325128E0983044 BACK TO START.ALL ACFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA. VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL. GND - UNL, 29 OCT 00:40 2018 UNTIL 29 OCT 01:08 2018. CREATED: 26 OCT 09:12 2018
A4578/18 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:N355258E0990216-N355703E0983930-N362046E0984558-N361639E0990850 BACK TO START.ALL ACFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA. VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL. GND - UNL, 29 OCT 00:37 2018 UNTIL 29 OCT 00:57 2018. CREATED: 26 OCT 09:11 2018
Meanwhile, there's nothing for ZQ-1 which is supposed to launch tomorrow......
Blue A4579/18
Red A4578/18
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According to the NOTAMs launch will rather be at ~00:43 UTC than at 00:30 UTC as indicated by CNES earlier
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https://twitter.com/JY_LeGall/status/1056139072467582976
Looks like T-0 is 00:47 UTC
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Two videos from CNES.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF9UUFcNm3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1LnPwih5Bo
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Here's the 9ifly thread. No news at the moment.
http://bbs.9ifly.cn/thread-2535-8-1.html
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CNES waiting for the launch. Not sure if they are getting a live feed.
https://twitter.com/CNES/status/1056702371835887616
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Launch should be happening about now.
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Photos of the launch site.
https://twitter.com/CNES/status/1056708814735634439
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Launch!
http://bbs.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=2535&pid=620476
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Rui's article!
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2018/10/long-march-2c-lofts-cfosat-cnes/
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Launch success!
""China-France Marine satellite launch success" October 29 8:43, our country in the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center with the Long March second C launch vehicle successfully launched the Sino-French marine satellite. China-France Ocean satellite is the first satellite developed by the two countries, will be mainly used for marine dynamic environment Monitoring, the first time to achieve synchronous observation of sea breeze and waves. The Chinese side is responsible for providing satellite platforms, sea breeze observation loads and emission measurements, and the French side is responsible for providing ocean wave observation loads and sharing satellite detection data. (Reporter Makuhari, Hu Yu)"
http://bbs.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=2535&pid=620484
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Strange. Chinese sources gave a 00:43 UTC T-0, but CNES gave 00:41.🤔
https://twitter.com/CNES/status/1056714397236768769
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Launch photos from CNES.
https://twitter.com/CNES/status/1056714397236768769
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Apparently 7 more satellites are on board, including the one from Belarus.
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Launch photo.
http://bbs.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=2535&pid=620497
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This launch used CZ-2C s/n Y22 (the smallest number left unused, which shows how long this project has been).
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This launch used CZ-2C s/n Y22 (the smallest number left unused, which shows how long this project has been).
Variant of the same photo with CNES president (& long time ex-Arianespace CEO) Le Gall in the middle:
https://twitter.com/JY_LeGall/status/1056725864346537985
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FRANCE-CHINA SPACE COOPERATION - CFOSAT IN ORBIT
https://presse.cnes.fr/en/france-china-space-cooperation-cfosat-orbit
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launch video, no sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwPKzp3ScOQ
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CCTV launch videos:
http://tv.cctv.com/2018/10/29/VIDESRnr4l4m2DUA8mZh006P181029.shtml
http://tv.cctv.com/2018/10/29/VIDEZmhsLTGy0LOueevsEcdT181029.shtml
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Let's see if launch code is "01-97"
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LT Launch time was 09:01:03 - 1069 seconds = 08:43:14 or 00:43:14 UTC
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NSF has been calling one of the payloads Tiange 1, while Jonathan (jcm) is calling it Tianqi 1. Any explanation of the different names? Is Jonathan's unknown cubesat Hongyan 1?
Oct 29 0043 Zhongfa Haiyang W.) Rem.Sensing 83A
Changsha gaoxin ) Chang Zheng 2C Jiuquan Tech/Com 83
Xiaoxiang-1 02 ) Tech 83
Zhaojin-1 ) Astronomy 83
Xinghe ) Imaging 83
Tianqi-1 ) Comms 83
Unknown cubesat? ) Tech? 83
CubeBel-1 ) Comms 83
https://www.planet4589.org/space/jsr/latest.html
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This launch used CZ-2C s/n Y22 (the smallest number left unused, which shows how long this project has been).
Or reassigned payload for rocket.
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Is Jonathan's unknown cubesat Hongyan 1?
Hongyan-1 being part of a LEO communication satellite constellation, I would not expect it to be in SSO
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First 2 objects cataloged:
2018-083A/43662 in 510 x 523 km x 97.53°
2018-083B/43663 in 511 x 522 km x 97.53°
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Great continuous video of the launch, showing a closeup of the first stage ignition, the full first stage flight and a very clear view of 1-2 hot staging.
https://twitter.com/CNES/status/1056859130927943681
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Same video on posted by CNES on Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laxCNs_87Z8
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A "vintage" poster made by CNES about CFOSAT mission.
Sorry I don't have a better resolution image.
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NSF has been calling one of the payloads Tiange 1, while Jonathan (jcm) is calling it Tianqi 1. Any explanation of the different names?
Because possibly we use different translation software. In this case the name is simply different.
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China launches ocean-observing satellite under closer Sino-European cooperation (http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-10/29/c_137566926.htm).
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China Great Wall Industry Corporation (CGWIC)
http://www.cgwic.com/news/2018/1028.html
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First 2 objects cataloged:
2018-083A/43662 in 510 x 523 km x 97.53°
2018-083B/43663 in 511 x 522 km x 97.53°
4 more
2018-083C/43664 in 513 x 521 km x 97.52°
2018-083D/43665 in 507 x 524 km x 97.52°
2018-083E/43666 in 502 x 524 km x 97.54°
2018-083F/43667 in 212 x 511 km x 97.62°
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LT Launch time was 09:01:03 - 1069 seconds = 08:43:14 or 00:43:14 UTC
00:43:(13-14-15 ???) UTC
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CubeBel-1 (BSUSat-1) - https://bsusat.com/
1 99995U 18992D 18302.04027778 .00001954 00000-0 81824-4 0 1234
2 99995 97,4689 322,6675 0023498 358,2782 166,2156 15,20791165 13
https://twitter.com/BsuSat
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NSF has been calling one of the payloads Tiange 1, while Jonathan (jcm) is calling it Tianqi 1. Any explanation of the different names?
Because possibly we use different translation software. In this case the name is simply different.
I think we both agree the name is 天启 ?
The issue is not translation (the translation appears to be "Revelation" or something like that) but transliteration - how
do you spell 天启 in the Latin alphabet? The standard pinyin appears to be 'tianqi' but that's not necessarily unique and there are other conversion systems which are not necessarily better or worse.
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From go-taikonauts facebook page...
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/HuuqOIrG43_qXymB4DbDfA
Xiaoxiang No.1 02 Star TY1-02 is a laser communication new technology verification satellite jointly developed by Tianyi Research Institute and commercial aerospace field startup company Shenzhen Hangxing Optical Network Space Technology Co., Ltd. (LaserFleet). The company plans to use hundreds of satellites to build a laser communication network in space in the future to provide high-speed Internet access for civil aircraft. As the first technical verification star of this program, this satellite will carry out a series of basic technical verification to lay the foundation for the follow-up work.
Xinghe TY1-03 is a new remote sensing technology satellite. It is jointly developed by Tianyi Research Institute and Chengdu Guoxing Aerospace Technology Co., Ltd., and the two sides will build a global and minute-level updated image data network consisting of 192 satellites. The satellite is the first star of the new remote sensing technology of the constellation and will explore a series of commercial services.
Changsha High-tech TY4-01 is an amateur radio satellite independently developed by Tianyi Research Institute. This satellite is mainly loaded with amateur radio payload developed by amateur radio enthusiasts. It is planned to conduct on-orbit ground communication test for amateur radio enthusiasts. At the same time, the satellite will verify the next-generation satellite platform independently deployed by Tianyi Research Institute.
Tongchuan No.1 TY4-02 is the first verification test satellite of the “Tiange Plan”. It is an astronomical exploration satellite jointly developed by Tianyi Research Institute and Tsinghua University Astrophysics Center and Tongchuan City of Shaanxi Province. This satellite, as the first verification star of the Tiange plan, will lay the foundation for the development of the subsequent Tiange plan. At the same time, the star is equipped with a new type of high-sensitivity X-ray polarization detector to carry out a new astronomical observation test. In addition, the satellite will also verify the inter-satellite communication technology and conduct a natural-ground link test with the satellite ground station of Shaanxi Xingyi Space Technology Co., Ltd.
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From go-taikonauts facebook page...
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/HuuqOIrG43_qXymB4DbDfA
Tongchuan No.1 TY4-02 is the first verification test satellite of the “Tiange Plan”.
And (based on the link in Chinese) that is indeed NOT the same characters: 天格 vs 天启 (Tiange not Tianqi)
Also, Tianqi is from Guodian Gaokeji YG, while the Tiange Project is Tianyi/Tsingua/Tongchuan, so different
players. I conclude that Tiange and Tianqi are unrelated names. ("Tian" is a very common element of Chinese
space names like Tianzhou, Tiangong etc because it means 'Celestial' or thereabouts...)
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LT Launch time was 09:01:03 - 1069 seconds = 08:43:14 or 00:43:14 UTC
00:43:(13-14-15 ???) UTC
00:43:15 lift off (my guess)
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LT Launch time was 09:01:03 - 1069 seconds = 08:43:14 or 00:43:14 UTC
00:43:(13-14-15 ???) UTC
00:43:15 lift off (my guess)
The exact time of launch of the carrier rocket CZ-2C (Y22) / Chang Zheng-2C (Y22) from Jiuquan cosmodrome: October 29, 2018 at 08:43:13, 576 BJT (00:43:13, 576 UTC). The designation of the launch mission, code - "01-97". Serial number of the launch vehicle: Y22.
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I think we both agree the name is 天启 ?
The issue is not translation (the translation appears to be "Revelation" or something like that) but transliteration - how
do you spell 天启 in the Latin alphabet? The standard pinyin appears to be 'tianqi' but that's not necessarily unique and there are other conversion systems which are not necessarily better or worse.
I use this website for Chinese transliteration into English, which also gives tianqi.
https://chinese.gratis/tools/zhuyin/
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北京时间2018年10月29日上午8点43分，天仪研究院自主研制的潇湘一号02星TY1-02 、星河号TY1-03、长沙高新号TY4-01、铜川一号TY4-02四颗卫星搭载长征二号丙型运载火箭在酒泉卫星发射中心成功发射。
https://www.weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?id=2309404300416165756941#_0
潇湘一号02星TY1-02卫星任务徽章
星河号TY1-03卫星任务徽章
长沙高新号TY4-01卫星任务徽章
铜川一号TY4-02卫星任务徽章
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First 2 objects cataloged:
2018-083A/43662 in 510 x 523 km x 97.53°
2018-083B/43663 in 511 x 522 km x 97.53°
4 more
2018-083C/43664 in 513 x 521 km x 97.52°
2018-083D/43665 in 507 x 524 km x 97.52°
2018-083E/43666 in 502 x 524 km x 97.54°
2018-083F/43667 in 212 x 511 km x 97.62°
2 more
2018-083G/43668 in 510 x 523 km x 97.52°
2018-083H/43669 in 510 x 524 km x 97.53°
One more is expected (2018-083J/43670)
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Tongchuan patch says gamma-ray mission, but SpaceTy announcement says X-ray. Which is correct?
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First 2 objects cataloged:
2018-083A/43662 in 510 x 523 km x 97.53°
2018-083B/43663 in 511 x 522 km x 97.53°
4 more
2018-083C/43664 in 513 x 521 km x 97.52°
2018-083D/43665 in 507 x 524 km x 97.52°
2018-083E/43666 in 502 x 524 km x 97.54°
2018-083F/43667 in 212 x 511 km x 97.62°
2 more
2018-083G/43668 in 510 x 523 km x 97.52°
2018-083H/43669 in 510 x 524 km x 97.53°
One more is expected (2018-083J/43670)
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Tongchuan patch says gamma-ray mission, but SpaceTy announcement says X-ray. Which is correct?
Gamma-ray.
Actually the definitions are a bit blurry. The paper http://astro.xmu.edu.cn/__local/4/CE/12/307BD23E7942F52FF007549F1CE_C458FACB_22D1AF.pdf?e=.pdf
says the energy range is 10 to 2000 keV. The boundary between 'hard X-ray' and 'gamma ray' I would
put somewhere around 100 keV. Others might put it higher (perhaps even 1000 keV = 1 MeV) but certainly GRO/BATSE, arguably the classic gamma ray burst
detector, operated in a 20-500 keV energy range, so on that basis it would be traditional to refer to this mission
as a gamma-ray one.
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Serial number of the launch vehicle: Y22
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The GRID-1 experiment on TY4-02 has its first published gamma ray burst paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2107.10452
The paper says that the second GRID was launched on a cubesat in 2020. Does anyone know which satellite this second one was?
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The GRID-1 experiment on TY4-02 has its first published gamma ray burst paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2107.10452
The paper says that the second GRID was launched on a cubesat in 2020. Does anyone know which satellite this second one was?
It's Beihang kongshi 1, launched 2020-11-06.
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The GRID-1 experiment on TY4-02 has its first published gamma ray burst paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2107.10452
The paper says that the second GRID was launched on a cubesat in 2020. Does anyone know which satellite this second one was?
It's Beihang kongshi 1, launched 2020-11-06.
Thanks! And by the way the GRID team tells me it is object 46838, so that helps with sorting out which sat is which from that launch
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The GRID-1 experiment on TY4-02 has its first published gamma ray burst paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2107.10452
The paper says that the second GRID was launched on a cubesat in 2020. Does anyone know which satellite this second one was?
It's Beihang kongshi 1, launched 2020-11-06.
Thanks! And by the way the GRID team tells me it is object 46838, so that helps with sorting out which sat is which from that launch
Thanks. So 46837 and 46839 are for Bayi 03 and Tianyan 05.
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The GRID-1 experiment on TY4-02 has its first published gamma ray burst paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2107.10452
The paper says that the second GRID was launched on a cubesat in 2020. Does anyone know which satellite this second one was?
It's Beihang kongshi 1, launched 2020-11-06.
Thanks! And by the way the GRID team tells me it is object 46838, so that helps with sorting out which sat is which from that launch
Thanks. So 46837 and 46839 are for Bayi 03 and Tianyan 05.
Also, I am informed that Zhaojin-1 (TY-4-02/GRID-01) is 43663