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Title: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: Satori on 07/27/2017 01:42 pm
To be confirmed...

Various reports of a new Iranian satellite launched today using a Simorgh launch vehicle.
Title: Re: Simorgh - ???? - July 27, 2017
Post by: Satori on 07/27/2017 01:43 pm
Sputniknews reports a launch.
https://ria.ru/world/20170727/1499275541.html
Title: Re: Simorgh - ???? - July 27, 2017
Post by: Satori on 07/27/2017 01:44 pm
Iran successfully tests Simorgh satellite carrier

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/07/27/529852/Iran-successfully-tests-Simorgh-satellite-carrier (http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/07/27/529852/Iran-successfully-tests-Simorgh-satellite-carrier)


Title: Re: Simorgh - ???? - July 27, 2017
Post by: Satori on 07/27/2017 01:44 pm
Fox News' Pentagon correspondent:

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Lucas Tomlinson‏ Verified account @LucasFoxNews 15m15 minutes ago

BREAKING: US official confirms Iran launched rocket with satellite toward outer space at roughly 5:30 am et/2:00 pm local. Details unclear

https://twitter.com/LucasFoxNews/status/890560573892681728
Title: Re: Simorgh - ???? - July 27, 2017
Post by: gwiz on 07/27/2017 01:48 pm
I assume that Imam Khomeini Space Center is the site formerly known as Semnan.
Title: Re: Simorgh - ???? - July 27, 2017
Post by: Satori on 07/27/2017 01:54 pm
I assume that Imam Khomeini Space Center is the site formerly known as Semnan.

I suppose that it is a specific area of Semnan, but I'am not sure about this.
Title: Re: Simorgh - ???? - July 27, 2017
Post by: Satori on 07/27/2017 01:56 pm
Report: Iran successfully launches satellite-carrying rocket (https://apnews.com/3f7ab7ad638649618e859e55aa0e7120/Report:-Iran-successfully-launches-satellite-carrying-rocket).

Until now there is no reference to a satellite only to "a satellite-carrying rocket."
Title: Re: Simorgh - ???? - July 27, 2017
Post by: Satori on 07/27/2017 02:21 pm
IKSLC opens with test launching of Simorgh satellite carrier into space (http://www.irna.ir/en/News/82612210/).

Still no reference to a satellite on this launch.
Title: Re: Simorgh - ???? - July 27, 2017
Post by: Satori on 07/27/2017 02:34 pm
Iran successfully sends space-launch vehicle (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-07/27/c_136478230.htm).
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: Skyrocket on 07/27/2017 04:07 pm
A launch video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZPTN_e73RM
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: Skyrocket on 07/27/2017 04:14 pm
Some launch images
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: anik on 07/27/2017 05:37 pm
If I have understood correctly, it was the second suborbital Simorgh launch.

The published launch time (09:30 UTC) is close to the published launch time (09:33 UTC) of Simorgh rocket on April 19, 2016. If it was the second Simorgh launch then why Iran said that "the launch signals official inauguration of Imam Khomeini Space Center"? I think that it means that the first launch was a failure.
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: anik on 07/27/2017 05:47 pm
I think that it means that the first launch was a failure

Or the launch in April 2016 was not Simorgh.
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: Skyrocket on 07/27/2017 07:55 pm
https://twitter.com/nktpnd/status/890658372902686720

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Breaking: According to USG source, #Iran's #Simorgh satellite launch vehicle experienced an "in-flight failure."
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: leetdan on 07/27/2017 09:07 pm
The above video does cut out abruptly, right after some clear TVC inputs.  Coincidence?
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: eeergo on 07/27/2017 09:17 pm
The above video does cut out abruptly, right after some clear TVC inputs.  Coincidence?

I think so, this video goes on for a few more (nominally-looking) seconds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elcayxzorbI
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: kevin-rf on 07/28/2017 01:42 am
Windshear?
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: Websorber on 07/28/2017 05:42 am
High res footage of Simorgh SLV launch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZmrHkNLPd4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZmrHkNLPd4)

Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: Stan-1967 on 07/28/2017 06:49 am
Any ideas on the cause of the red colored plume coming out of the interstage section right at liftoff?   Wouldn't that typically indicate N204?  But coming from the interstage?  I've never seen that on Soyuz or Proton.

My guess is that N2O4 is a pressurizing gas for the S1/S2,  & excess is being vented as the Simorgh's systems start flight?
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: SmallKing on 07/28/2017 07:03 am
Any ideas on the cause of the red colored plume coming out of the interstage section right at liftoff?   Wouldn't that typically indicate N204?  But coming from the interstage?  I've never seen that on Soyuz or Proton.

My guess is that N2O4 is a pressurizing gas for the S1/S2,  & excess is being vented as the Simorgh's systems start flight?
IRFNA decompression
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 07/28/2017 08:47 am
Iran claims the launch as being successful.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/07/27/529852/Iran-successfully-tests-Simorgh-satellite-carrier

Videos attached. I've corrected the aspect ratio of the second video.

This report says the vehicle did not put a satellite into orbit. Bing translation.

http://www.irinn.ir/fa/news/511676/%DA%86%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%85%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%82%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D8%B5%D9%86%D8%B9%D8%AA%DB%8C-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%81%D8%B6%D8%A7

"Shahrabi said in this regard: Although the launch yesterday, did not put a satellite in orbit but in the distant future a system of 40 to 160 to satellite remote sensing, telecommunications and positioning in the circuit."
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: Danderman on 07/28/2017 05:31 pm
Has NORAD published 2 line elements for the 2nd stage, or was this a suborbital test? If so, how does Iran monitor 2nd stage performance?
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: BabaORileyUSA on 07/28/2017 06:57 pm
According to news reports today, Pentagon Officials have declared this a catastrophic failure; nothing achieved orbit, so no TLEs were published by 18SPCS.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/28/iran-rocket-suffered-catastrophic-failure-likely-blew-up-us-official-says.html
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: Phillip Clark on 07/28/2017 07:18 pm
According to news reports today, Pentagon Officials have declared this a catastrophic failure; nothing achieved orbit, so no TLEs were published by 18SPCS.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/28/iran-rocket-suffered-catastrophic-failure-likely-blew-up-us-official-says.html

And we believe Fox News reports because ........... ?
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: pippin on 07/28/2017 08:46 pm
Judging by the speed at which it jumped off the pas it must have had a pretty high t/w, might just indicate dummy or unfueled upper stages.
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: EgorBotts on 07/28/2017 09:07 pm
I know I'm slightly out of subject, but Ed Kyle can you indicate us why you do not count this launch attempt as an orbital attempt in spacelaunchreport?

Now we know this was, with a high degree of certainty, a failure. But the iranian government clearly indicated it was an orbital launch.
I would probably treat it like the rocket lab first shot, don't you think?
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: EgorBotts on 07/28/2017 09:35 pm
I know I'm slightly out of subject, but Ed Kyle can you indicate us why you do not count this launch attempt as an orbital attempt in spacelaunchreport?

Now we know this was, with a high degree of certainty, a failure. But the iranian government clearly indicated it was an orbital launch.
I would probably treat it like the rocket lab first shot, don't you think?
Insufficient information.  I disagree with the assertion that "the Iranian government clearly indicated ..."  See up-thread discussion about how it was called an "orbital capable" launch vehicle, but no mention of a specific payload, etc, or even that it was a real orbital attempt.  I'll add it later if better information is provided one day.  Too much disinformation from both inside and outside Iran right now.  If it was an orbital attempt, it failed as claimed by U.S. sources.  If not, it may or may not have been a suborbital test failure.

 - Ed Kyle

Very valid reason indeed.
My own view on the matter (not that it should weight for something) is that it was the Sharif orbital remote sensing satellite, presented earlier in the year with Amirkabir and Nahid sats. Knowing this was a failure, state has declared it was a success for the public but didn't mention the sat as it was destroyed.
We probably won't know more before a few months when they will speak about the next launch attempt.
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: Skyrocket on 07/28/2017 11:07 pm
Iran has never release footage of a failed orbital launch so far. This is a strong hint, that this launch was not a failure. Therefore IMHO this was a successful suborbital launch. Note, that in translations from Farsi, there was often a mixup between "space" and "orbital".
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: JakeBreak on 07/28/2017 11:45 pm
Mixed footage with the previous launch (@ 6:44):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uUHW6Dl6jo
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 07/29/2017 07:38 am
Some photos from the Iranian Space Agency.

http://isa.ir/content/874/%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%AA%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%AD-%D9%BE%D8%A7%DB%8C%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D9%85%D9%84%DB%8C-%D9%81%D8%B6%D8%A7%DB%8C%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%AE%D9%85%DB%8C%D9%86%DB%8C-_YW_PAR_OPEN_%D8%B1%D9%87_YW_PAR_CLOSE_-%D8%A8%D8%A7-%D9%BE%D8%B1%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D8%A2%D8%B2%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4%DB%8C-%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%87%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%87-%D8%A8%D8%B1-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%BA-%D8%A8%D9%87-%D9%81%D8%B6%D8%A7

"On the eve of the Nativity with the sky bright with happiness and the eighth province Akhtar Imam Reza (a.s.), the national database of Imam Khomeini (RA) space with the successful pilot launch of simorgh space officially opened.

National spatial database of Imam Khomeini (RA) fixed platform base that is the first Islamic Republic of Iran, which has a huge collection of all stages of the preparation, launch, control and satellite navigation responsible berha.

National spatial database of Imam Khomeini (RA) in terms of technology, in accordance with the standards of the world and into the hands of skilled professionals and efficiently designed and built the Islamic Republic and the final phase is capable of all the country's requirements also cover LEO orbits.
Satellite on the wire or the satellite is also capable of up to 250 kg in weight 500-kilometer circuit of the Earth."
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: gwiz on 07/29/2017 10:40 am
And we believe Fox News reports because ........... ?
Because they also say that Iran has never launched a satellite.
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: K210 on 07/29/2017 01:04 pm
Given the fact iran released pictures and video of this launch it is probable that this was in fact a suborbital launch. Also cant help but notice the remarkable design similarities this rocket has with NK's Unha-2 rocket.
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: josespeck on 07/29/2017 03:38 pm
What is that orange smoke?.
Are turbopumps in the upper part of the second stage?.
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: Phillip Clark on 07/29/2017 03:47 pm
What is that orange smoke?.
Are turbopumps in the upper part of the second stage?.

This question has already been answered by SmallKing in a previous post on this thread.
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: josespeck on 07/29/2017 05:48 pm
What is that orange smoke?.
Are turbopumps in the upper part of the second stage?.

This question has already been answered by SmallKing in a previous post on this thread.

Sorry. :-[
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: Comet on 07/31/2017 11:44 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hfMvA7kN1U
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: Comet on 07/31/2017 11:45 am
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: Comet on 07/31/2017 11:46 am
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 08/01/2017 06:06 am
That shows the second stage being integrated horizontally, but the other image shows the first stage being lifted vertically, with presumably the second stage being integrated vertically.
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: BabaORileyUSA on 08/02/2017 07:19 pm
According to news reports today, Pentagon Officials have declared this a catastrophic failure; nothing achieved orbit, so no TLEs were published by 18SPCS.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/28/iran-rocket-suffered-catastrophic-failure-likely-blew-up-us-official-says.html

And we believe Fox News reports because ........... ?

Because if what they were reporting about *this* event wasn't accurate, I wouldn't have sourced it.  I have already contacted the author with corrections to a misstatement made by their source that was used in 3 or 4 related articles.  They will publish a correction.  It seems pretty foolish to dismiss the report out of hand simply because it came from the most widely trusted newsource in the country... you're letting politics spoil your objectivity.
Title: Re: Simorgh - R&D Flight (?) - July 27, 2017
Post by: Olaf on 10/26/2017 02:10 pm
https://twitter.com/nktpnd/status/923269828839919616
Iran's July 2017 Simorgh failed due to a problem with the 2nd stage, which failed after 20s of powered flight (of planned 300s).