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Post by: daveglo on 09/14/2006 04:36 am
Crew wakeup delayed due to comms, expected shortly.
- Wakeup in progress, to "Wipeout". Groovy, man!
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Post by: Zachstar on 09/14/2006 04:48 am
This sucks but they have to work the bugs out of the truss. :(
Post by: MKremer on 09/14/2006 04:54 am
Post by: leclaire on 09/14/2006 05:28 am
The joint rotated about 360 degrees awhile ago. No word from NASA about it though.
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Post by: MKremer on 09/14/2006 06:54 am
I do hope either NASA (or Chris, with his sources) can explain in some way why they started off pretty sure that it was a hardware problem (not a 'failure'), then progressed to what seems now to be merely a software command&control problem.
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MKremer - 14/9/2006 7:41 AM
If true, lots of anxiety for nothing. ;)
I do hope either NASA (or Chris, with his sources) can explain in some way why they started off pretty sure that it was a hardware problem (not a 'failure'), then progressed to what seems now to be merely a software command&control problem.
Waiting for the MER list as per flight day on L2 to get the official word from MCC.
Post by: rosbif73 on 09/14/2006 08:11 am
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Post by: dutch courage on 09/14/2006 09:01 am
Wait a minute! They are extending now :)
Post by: Celebrimbor on 09/14/2006 09:21 am
I'm having to watch all this intermittently and without sound, This forum is my only link to whats being said. Thanks!
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/14/2006 09:28 am
Full deploy in about an hour.
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/14/2006 09:30 am
Next is Starboard - same idea, one bay.
40 minutes to Shuttle/Station atitude change to prepare for full deploy.
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[+++++++++++++++] <---Full
[+] <---One Bay :)
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Oli4 - 14/9/2006 11:24 AMNo.
So if i comprehend correctly. They open the solar array 'box' by a foot or so. So that the solar panels can 'destress'. Then they will close the 'box' again, reattach the solar arrays and start to unfold the panels?
They'll continue the deployment from the 1 bay initial deployment after the SAW has been conditioned to minimize the chance of "stiction".
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Chris Bergin - 14/9/2006 4:25 AM
Think of it this way....
[+++++++++++++++] <---Full
[+] <---One Bay :)
How long will it take from start of full deploy to completition?
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/14/2006 09:47 am
Jeff says they are re-cycling 2.2 and pressing on to 2.3.
New time for deploy not know at this time.
Post by: Oli4 on 09/14/2006 09:49 am
I thought 1 bay was one side (2 panels). But 1 bay is just a segment of the arrays. Cool. Thanks for the lesson! ;)
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/14/2006 09:49 am
Nice picture of Port:
Post by: kneecaps on 09/14/2006 09:51 am
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kneecaps - 14/9/2006 10:38 AM
I have visions of.....
Moral: Don't eat cheese before going to bed. ;)
Standing by for one bay deploy.
Post by: Celebrimbor on 09/14/2006 10:03 am
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kneecaps - 14/9/2006 5:38 AMThey go slow, too...both the STS-99 mast demo and the first STS-97 deploy took a while even doing a full deploy.
I have visions of the SAW deploying ...the blanket getting stuck...the deployment continuing and the blanket getting torn. No doubt this is impossible as I'm sure there must be strain gauges or somesuch to prevent such events!
Stack maneuver coming up...latching in progress...
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Spirit - 14/9/2006 5:55 AMNot sure about how long it takes to get to a solar inertial attitude from the current one, but the reason is to warm up the back of the arrays -- to prevent the "stiction" issues that were discussed at length; there's a good quote in Bill Harwood's story from station flight director John McCullough:
How long does it take for the attitude to be changed and why is that needed?
http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/current.html
(They can only stay in that attitude for three orbits.)
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FransonUK - 14/9/2006 5:31 AMLooking farther into Bill Harwood's article, 90 minutes.
How long will it take from start of full deploy to completition?
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Celebrimbor - 14/9/2006 6:09 AMThe station CMGs.
Wow, that looks like a pretty big motion! What engines are being used? Shuttle, progress or a combination. Or gyros?
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Celebrimbor - 14/9/2006 12:09 PMUsing the ISS Control Moment Gyros(CMGs).
Wow, that looks like a pretty big motion! What engines are being used? Shuttle, progress or a combination. Or gyros? I wonder if they can feel it inside...
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Station going back to attitude control.
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Spirit - 14/9/2006 6:52 AMYes -- and the power that the P4 arrays generate won't be distributed to the station until after work on 12A.1/STS-116, so the SARJ won't move much (or at all) until after both the port side P6 wing is retracted and the power redistribution on the next flight.
From the graphics that I have it seems that when the P4 truss rotate, its solar arrays will hit the P6 solar arrays. Is that true and what will be done in order to prevent any conflicts - lock the alfa rotary joint until P6 solar arrays partially retraction on STS-116?
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- Dang, lost picture for 8.5 minutes . . . . during the best part, too!
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avitek - 14/9/2006 7:46 AM
TDRS ZOE = Tracking and Data Relay Setallite - Zone of Exclusion. It means gap in communication above Indian Ocean, part of which is note covered by any TDRS satellite now.
Actually, there is a TDRS there called TDRS-Z.
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Post by: Jonesy STS on 09/14/2006 12:31 pm
Great views.
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Post by: Oli4 on 09/14/2006 12:42 pm
Remember those arrays on Hubble? Man man were those a pain in the ... Shows that those NASA engineers learned lots about solar array deployment.
Good job so far guys! Lets hope for the best.
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Oli4 - 14/9/2006 7:32 AM
Yeah Nacnud, I was wondering myself. This central struth keeps flowing out...
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Oli4 - 14/9/2006 8:29 AM
This is going so smoothly.... it surprises me really.
Remember those arrays on Hubble? Man man were those a pain in the ... Shows that those NASA engineers learned lots about solar array deployment.
Good job so far guys! Lets hope for the best.
Totally different design, not comparable. ESA supplied the HST arrays
Post by: nathan.moeller on 09/14/2006 12:55 pm
Post by: Oli4 on 09/14/2006 12:55 pm
But sure it's a different design. But since Hubble, I don't think they will use that design ever again... This one looks much more rigid
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Jonesy STS - 14/9/2006 2:18 PM
It's all gone solar array barmy in here! :)
Great views.
I'll leave the captures to Jacques this time - I'm trying to record the stream instead...
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nacnud - 14/9/2006 8:31 AM
Does anyone know how the central boxwork strut is folded? I can see how the cloth mounted z folded cells are stowed and deployed but I can't figure out how the box strut is unfolding.
The mast is wound up (twisted) in the cylinder. The deployment mechanism unwinds and it unfurls.
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Jim - 14/9/2006 2:43 PMQuotenacnud - 14/9/2006 8:31 AM
Does anyone know how the central boxwork strut is folded? I can see how the cloth mounted z folded cells are stowed and deployed but I can't figure out how the box strut is unfolding.
The mast is wound up (twisted) in the cylinder. The deployment mechanism unwinds and it unfurls.
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nacnud - 14/9/2006 2:31 PM
Does anyone know how the central boxwork strut is folded? I can see how the cloth mounted z folded cells are stowed and deployed but I can't figure out how the box strut is unfolding.
See for yourself (last picture, to the right):
http://www.aec-able.com/Booms/coilboom.html
The longerons are (un)folded along the slides when container's lower part is rotated by electric motor.
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nathan.moeller - 14/9/2006 2:46 PM
Notice how they've changed the station graphic on the MCC tracker. :)
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Spirit - 14/9/2006 2:54 PMTommorow.
I also wonder when will the radiator be deployed.
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CentEur - 14/9/2006 1:46 PM
See for yourself (last picture, to the right):
http://www.aec-able.com/Booms/coilboom.html
Great link, thanks for that. I didn't think the longerons would be composite and was scratching my head trying to figure out some form of self assembling metal pole structure.
They are a lot more flexable than I thought!
![]("http://www.aec-able.com/Booms/Resources/coilterm.jpg")
![]("http://www.aec-able.com/Booms/Resources/coilopen.jpg")
Post by: jacqmans on 09/14/2006 01:54 pm
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Celebrimbor - 14/9/2006 3:10 PM
Has the SSRMS walk on to the Destiny happened yet? Will it be televised?
It's starting to be televised right now... anyhow, I think the operations may be cut when the interviews with the astronauts take place.
Post by: nitin52 on 09/14/2006 02:07 pm
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nitin52 - 14/9/2006 2:54 PM
Does deployed solar array started generating power?
There's another EVA tomorrow to hook it up and then STS-116 in December to reconfig the power to the station.
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dutch courage - 14/9/2006 4:01 PM
I've been away for a while, any word on sticktion or is the deploy working fine?
The deploy has already successfully finished, and there's been a bit of stincktion, but it wasn't a big issue... the article in the home page is really good! :)
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Mark
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Mark Nguyen - 14/9/2006 4:30 PMThere's no need for the SSRMS to support EVA-3. Also, it wasn't used in either of EVA-1 or EVA-2.
Hmm... Why are we walking off the SSRMS? With it on Destiny, P3/P4 is mostly out of reach, no? How is the arm to support EVA 3 from Destiny?
Mark
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dutch courage - 14/9/2006 5:09 PMHas it been shown yet?
SRB video comming up (duration 8 minutes)
Post by: nathan.moeller on 09/14/2006 03:43 pm
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Only one SRB video (viewing aft).
Kylie Clem!
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nathan.moeller - 14/9/2006 5:30 PMCrap, missed it then! :(
Yes it played right after Kylie (Nicole?) announced it. Pretty spectacular.
Post by: Carl G on 09/14/2006 03:48 pm
Why are there French people in Canada asking questions??
Post by: Mark Nguyen on 09/14/2006 03:48 pm
As a francophone, I will say that Maclean's french accent is... Alright. ;). Still, it's the first time I've heard a french-language interview from a shuttle flight deck - cool!
Mark
PS - Our Prime Minister is also online. His accent training has been pretty effective since the election, I must say. :)
Post by: jacqmans on 09/14/2006 03:50 pm
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Carl G - 14/9/2006 10:35 AM
Looked just like STS-121. No difference.
Why are there French people in Canada asking questions??
Confirm on the video similarity to STS-121. Just different lighting. The main languages in Canada are English and French so it's not uncommon to hear Canadians speaking French to one another. Whoa Prime Minister's callin'!!
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UK Shuttle Clan - 14/9/2006 10:40 AM
I thought it was just a quarter of Quebec? Seems 50/50 on this conference.
Not too sure honestly. But I do recall that many Canadians speak French.
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Mark (A francophone in Alberta, out West)
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Fantastic video and SOUND of the SRB!
Post by: RedSky on 09/14/2006 06:14 pm
Also, I don't recall the downward-looking camera views last time... looking straight at the leading edge of the wings, and the pad on launch. Incredible.
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RedSky - 14/9/2006 7:01 PM
Also, I don't recall the downward-looking camera views last time... looking straight at the leading edge of the wings, and the pad on launch. Incredible.
They did have that for STS-121.
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