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Title: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Chris Bergin on 03/31/2017 09:11 pm
In the future, so many cores coming back and forth will mean master threads will be best. But for this one, the historic "booster that could", we should give it a standalone thread.

Second launch and landing:
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2017/03/eva-astronauts-prepare-iss-crew-vehicles/

Its first landing:
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2016/04/spacex-dragon-rtf-falcon9-launch/

The previous time it sailed into Port Canaveral:
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2016/04/falcon-9-first-stage-port-canaveral-asds-big-plans/

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This thread will be for updates on positions and estimated time of arrival to help spotters. Remember to link, link, link any info (like marine traffic info) and photos etc. And of course, I'm sure that Port Canaveral webcam guy still has a fit over screenshots, so don't.

Ideal scenario is members of the main SpaceX communities - here, Facebook and Reddit (I know there's massive crossover) - deploy as many folk as possible and between us all we'll get some good coverage.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: ehb on 04/01/2017 02:38 am
ASDS appears to be on her way.

Last 4 SAT AIS Positions have headings back toward the cape.

ELSBETH III last report 1h 8m ago
projections computed as straight line to PORT CANAVERAL
based upon current speed:
 arrival projected 4d 0h 42m from now
 which is Wed Apr  5 03:18 EDT 2017
based upon average of last 4 reported speeds:
 arrival projected 4d 10h 47m from now
 which is Wed Apr  5 13:23 EDT 2017

computed on data including Sat-AIS from marinetraffic.com
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: ehb on 04/01/2017 02:11 pm
ELSBETH III last report 0h 11m ago
projections computed as straight line to PORT CANAVERAL
based upon current speed:
 arrival projected 2d 10h 0m from now
 which is Tue Apr  4 00:09 EDT 2017
based upon average of last 10 reported speeds:
 arrival projected 3d 4h 0m from now
 which is Tue Apr  4 18:09 EDT 2017

computed on data including Sat-AIS from marinetraffic.com
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: ehb on 04/02/2017 12:10 am
ELSBETH III last report 0h 26m ago
projections computed as straight line to PORT CANAVERAL
based upon current speed:
 arrival projected 2d 9h 6m from now
 which is Tue Apr  4 09:15 EDT 2017
based upon average of last 10 reported speeds:
 arrival projected 2d 19h 5m from now
 which is Tue Apr  4 19:14 EDT 2017

computed on data including Sat-AIS from marinetraffic.com
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Ronsmytheiii on 04/02/2017 08:52 am
Elsbeth III is in range on AIS!

Quote
ELSBETH III re-appeared within the range of the MarineTraffic system at:
Time: 2017-04-02 07:04 UTC
Position: 28.01466, -76.84026
Speed/Course: 4.4 knots / 261

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-76.84026/centery:28.01466/zoom:8/mmsi:367017460/shipid:434560
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: ehb on 04/02/2017 03:31 pm
It's been almost 7 hrs since marinetraffic shows a Sat-AIS update
(did see the one Terr-AIS reported earlier and 2 Sat-AIS after that).
Was waiting until a more recent update, but here is the latest I have.
Hopefully Sat-AIS will update for this evening's projections.
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ELSBETH III last report 6h 49m ago
projections computed as straight line to PORT CANAVERAL
based upon current speed:
 arrival projected 1d 21h 30m from now
 which is Tue Apr  4 12:59 EDT 2017
based upon average of last 10 reported speeds:
 arrival projected 2d 2h 42m from now
 which is Tue Apr  4 18:11 EDT 2017

computed on data including Sat-AIS from marinetraffic.com

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& in case anyone was curious, the time since last report is included in the projections.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: ehb on 04/02/2017 05:09 pm
Finally got another Sat-AIS with the fastest speed yet.  The other 9 last reported speeds are all over 8 hours old.

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ELSBETH III last report 0h 55m ago
projections computed as straight line to PORT CANAVERAL
based upon current speed:
 arrival projected 1d 3h 30m from now
 which is Mon Apr  3 20:36 EDT 2017
based upon average of last 10 reported speeds:
 arrival projected 1d 22h 12m from now
 which is Tue Apr  4 15:18 EDT 2017

computed on data including Sat-AIS from marinetraffic.com
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: ehb on 04/02/2017 05:55 pm
two more recent Sat-AIS data points came in and she's moving even faster.

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ELSBETH III last report 0h 23m ago
projections computed as straight line to PORT CANAVERAL
based upon current speed:
 arrival projected 1d 0h 23m from now
 which is Mon Apr  3 18:16 EDT 2017
based upon average of last 10 reported speeds:
 arrival projected 1d 14h 12m from now
 which is Tue Apr  4 08:05 EDT 2017

computed on data including Sat-AIS from marinetraffic.com
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: rsdavis9 on 04/02/2017 09:21 pm
So what is the average and max speed from marinetraffic?
I just have the free version of marinetraffic and can't see the numbers.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: ehb on 04/03/2017 12:52 am
One more data point since the last report here, a bit slower than previously.
Last Terr-AIS speed was 4.4, and Sat-AIS shows she's moving faster than this.
The user agreement with marinetraffic doesn't allow me to repost Sat-AIS specific details.

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ELSBETH III last report 3h 57m ago
projections computed as straight line to PORT CANAVERAL
based upon current speed:
 arrival projected 0d 20h 41m from now
 which is Mon Apr  3 21:27 EDT 2017
based upon average of last 10 reported speeds:
 arrival projected 1d 3h 23m from now
 which is Tue Apr  4 04:09 EDT 2017

computed on data including Sat-AIS from marinetraffic.com
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: ehb on 04/03/2017 11:21 am
Only 1 more Sat-AIS data point since last report.

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ELSBETH III last report 4h 43m ago
projections computed as straight line to PORT CANAVERAL
based upon current speed:
 arrival projected 0d 11h 18m from now
 which is Mon Apr  3 22:34 EDT 2017
based upon average of last 10 reported speeds:
 arrival projected 0d 14h 35m from now
 which is Tue Apr  4 01:51 EDT 2017

computed on data including Sat-AIS from marinetraffic.com
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/03/2017 12:09 pm
Pictures of the recovered fairing being returned to port now on the ASDS support ship activities thread:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38111.msg1662766#msg1662766

Fairing is under a large tarpaulin but there are some glimpes around the edges.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Herb Schaltegger on 04/03/2017 12:20 pm
Pictures of the recovered fairing being returned to port now on the ASDS support ship activities thread:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38111.0 (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38111.0)

Fairing is under a large tarpaulin but there are some glimpes around the edges.
The first of those photos shows what looks like some obvious tearing around the edges of what would be be fairing half separation plane. Not sure if that's repairable type damage in the context of reuse someday or not. Still an impressive feat to recover something so large essential intact.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: ehb on 04/03/2017 01:21 pm
A new Sat-AIS datapoint finally came in, much slower.

ELSBETH III last report 0h 4m ago
projections computed as straight line to PORT CANAVERAL
based upon current speed:
 arrival projected 0d 16h 23m from now
 which is Tue Apr  4 05:43 EDT 2017
based upon average of last 10 reported speeds:
 arrival projected 0d 12h 0m from now
 which is Tue Apr  4 01:20 EDT 2017

computed on data including Sat-AIS from marinetraffic.com
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Lar on 04/03/2017 01:59 pm
Pictures of the recovered fairing being returned to port now on the ASDS support ship activities thread:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38111.0 (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38111.0)

Fairing is under a large tarpaulin but there are some glimpes around the edges.
The first of those photos shows what looks like some obvious tearing around the edges of what would be be fairing half separation plane. Not sure if that's repairable type damage in the context of reuse someday or not. Still an impressive feat to recover something so large essential intact.

remember, bouncy castles... no fairings should touch salt water... etc. This is a pathfinder, not the real deal. AFRS[1] comes next...

If this is tearing it could either be due to impact, wave action, or water intrusion into the honeycomb, or even damage trying to lift a large awkward item onto the aft deck... Bouncy castle obviates all that (but needs an AFRS[1]  unless they've REALLY increased precision of parafoil steering)

1 - Automated Fairing Recovery Ship, you heard it from me first :) but it's a logical acronym choice.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: kevinof on 04/03/2017 02:03 pm
I don't see a crane on the recovery vessel so likely this was dragged onto the deck. Could be some damage from that also. Did I hear that the chute didn't open fully or something? That would mean the fairing also impacted the sea a lot harder than they liked. Still this is progress!
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Lar on 04/03/2017 02:53 pm
I don't see a crane on the recovery vessel so likely this was dragged onto the deck. Could be some damage from that also. Did I hear that the chute didn't open fully or something? That would mean the fairing also impacted the sea a lot harder than they liked. Still this is progress!

Where did you hear that the chute didn't open fully? Interesting rumor. I though parafoils were all or nothing, if they don't deploy correctly you have no control authority at all, or very little....

Edit: Here it is: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=37727.msg1662235#msg1662235

This might need moving, not sure where, but this is fairing and the thread is for OCISLY for this mission. I guess? I'll ask Chris. Probably makes sense to have fairing for THIS mission and stage for THIS mission in one thread. PM or report to mod to discuss.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: ehb on 04/03/2017 03:59 pm
Another Sat-AIS datapoint.  Moving along at a better rate.
These projections should be read as "vicinity of the port"... what
happens when they get close is up to them & the port
(cruise ships, HMS nuke subs, waiting for Elon etc). 

When Terr-AIS data becomes available (~20nm from a land receiver?),
then I'll leave it to others cover the last bits.

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ELSBETH III last report 1h 2m ago
projections computed as straight line to PORT CANAVERAL
based upon current speed:
 arrival projected 0d 8h 11m from now
 which is Mon Apr  3 21:00 EDT 2017
based upon average of last 10 reported speeds:
 arrival projected 0d 9h 54m from now
 which is Mon Apr  3 22:43 EDT 2017

computed on data including Sat-AIS from marinetraffic.com


Edit: OOPS!  Projections were UTC.  Thanks to leetdan for pointing this out! :(  [linux $ env TZ=EDT date returns in UTC, needed EST5EDT]
 
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Scylla on 04/03/2017 04:54 pm
Go Quest is showing on Vesselfinder.com
https://www.vesselfinder.com


Last report: Apr 03, 2017 16:47 UTC
Ship type:Cargo ship
Flag:Flag of USA USA
Destination:CAPE CANAVERAL FL
ETA:Apr 03, 20:30
Lat/Lon:28.14282 N/79.78959 W
Course/Speed: 296.5 / 3.8 kn.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: ehb on 04/03/2017 04:58 pm
My apologies, was reporting UTC instead of EDT for times.
Luckily, leetdan made me aware of this mistake.
Note projected times in previous message are corrected.
 :-[
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Scylla on 04/03/2017 05:28 pm
Elsbeth III now tracking on https://www.vesselfinder.com


Last report: Apr 03, 2017 17:22 UTC
Ship type:Tug
Flag:Flag of USA USA
Destination:PORT CANAVERAL
ETA:Apr 03, 18:00
Lat/Lon:28.15088 N/79.8252 W
Course/Speed: 294.4 / 4.1 kn.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/03/2017 06:00 pm
Hmm according to the VesselFinder app Go Quest & Elsbeth III are together but Go Quest has an ETA of 20:30 EDT rather than the 18:00 for Elsbeth III. At least this evening/tonight looks achievable.

Elsbeth III now tracking on https://www.vesselfinder.com


Last report: Apr 03, 2017 17:22 UTC
Ship type:Tug
Flag:Flag of USA USA
Destination:PORT CANAVERAL
ETA:Apr 03, 18:00
Lat/Lon:28.15088 N/79.8252 W
Course/Speed: 294.4 / 4.1 kn.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Scylla on 04/03/2017 06:33 pm
Go Quest opened up the throttle at 17:26 UTC.
Possibly making a run for the port.
https://www.vesselfinder.com

Last report: Apr 03, 2017 18:26 UTC
Ship type:Cargo ship
Flag:Flag of USA USA
Destination:CAPE CANAVERAL FL
ETA:Apr 03, 20:30
Lat/Lon:28.21198 N/80.00304 W
Course/Speed: 287.6 / 9.2 kn.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Scylla on 04/03/2017 07:47 pm
Go Quest now tracking on https://www.marinetraffic.com

At current speed,appears will make port in approximately 2.5h.

Current time-15:45 EDT (19:45 UTC)
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Flying Beaver on 04/03/2017 07:48 pm
Go Quest now tracking on https://www.marinetraffic.com

At current speed,appears will make port in approximately 2.5h.

Current time-15:45 EDT (19:45 UTC)

3.0 hours till the landing videos are posted to youtube. Yay!
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: ehb on 04/03/2017 09:07 pm
Not so sure if GO QUEST will arrive simultaneously with ELSBETH III.
GO QUEST is moving faster than any speed recorded from ELSBETH III
(according to marinetraffic vessel stats).

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ELSBETH III last report 2h 25m ago
projections computed as straight line to PORT CANAVERAL
based upon current speed:
 arrival projected 0d 5h 35m from now
 which is Mon Apr  3 22:35 EDT 2017
based upon average of last 10 reported speeds:
 arrival projected 0d 5h 42m from now
 which is Mon Apr  3 22:42 EDT 2017

computed on data including Sat-AIS from marinetraffic.com
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Scylla on 04/03/2017 09:17 pm
Elsbeth III is 3x farther out than Go Quest and moving at half the speed. Still many hours before it comes in.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Lar on 04/03/2017 09:20 pm
Any theories on the speed discrepancies? Go Quest going to get the champagne and run back out to Elsbeth III ???

(I crack up at "9.8 knots" and "really opened up the throttles" appearing in the same post but for a work boat that's fast I guess...)
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: ehb on 04/03/2017 09:22 pm
Any theories on the speed discrepancies? Go Quest going to get the champagne and run back out to Elsbeth III ???

(I crack up at "9.8 knots" and "really opened up the throttles" appearing in the same post but for a work boat that's fast I guess...)

Maybe pick up Elon.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Scylla on 04/03/2017 09:23 pm
Go Quest just informed pilot that Elsbeth III will be "arriving in the morning and will contact with a time later"

Dont know if morning means after midnight or sunrise.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Flying Beaver on 04/03/2017 09:26 pm
Quest now only 10Km out. Should be visible on the surf cam soon.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/03/2017 09:51 pm
Quote
Go quest is heading in now just got cleared

https://twitter.com/murphypak/status/849015720675618816 (https://twitter.com/murphypak/status/849015720675618816)
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/03/2017 09:57 pm
Go Quest just informed pilot that Elsbeth III will be "arriving in the morning and will contact with a time later"

Dont know if morning means after midnight or sunrise.

According to vesselfinder.com Elsbeth III is now practically stationary.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/03/2017 10:20 pm
Quote
They are putting cap on to lift it off now on crane!

https://twitter.com/murphypak/status/849023179305758720 (https://twitter.com/murphypak/status/849023179305758720)
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Scylla on 04/03/2017 10:30 pm
Go Quest just informed pilot that Elsbeth III will be "arriving in the morning and will contact with a time later"

Dont know if morning means after midnight or sunrise.

According to vesselfinder.com Elsbeth III is now practically stationary.
At 21:51 UTC, she slowed to .04KN. Probably shortening tow line and coming in sometime after midnight and not sunrise.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/03/2017 10:35 pm
Elsbeth III now underway again (3.6 kts). Meanwhile Go Quest has just docked, according to MarineTraffic along side Go Searcher.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: leetdan on 04/03/2017 10:50 pm
Go Quest dropped some people off and is heading back out to the barge.  No ETA given  :-\
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Chris Bergin on 04/03/2017 10:55 pm
Go Quest dropped some people off and is heading back out to the barge.  No ETA given  :-\

https://twitter.com/murphypak/status/849031333951176704
https://twitter.com/murphypak/status/849032045573615616

Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: ehb on 04/03/2017 11:01 pm
Terr-AIS is available now.
Last 4 speeds, 4.8, 4.7, 4.6, 3.1 kts.
Abt 20 nm out.

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ELSBETH III last report 0h 5m ago
projections computed as straight line to PORT CANAVERAL
based upon current speed:
 arrival projected 0d 4h 5m from now
 which is Mon Apr  3 23:04 EDT 2017
based upon average of last 10 reported speeds:
 arrival projected 0d 4h 42m from now
 which is Mon Apr  3 23:41 EDT 2017

computed on data including Sat-AIS from marinetraffic.com
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Eagandale4114 on 04/03/2017 11:01 pm
Livestream! Thanks to Fox 35. Found in this comment chain. (https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/634gmr/b1021ses10_recovery_thread/dfse8hr/?st=j12pzua0&sh=232d1676)


https://www.facebook.com/FOX35News/videos/10155363013207573/

https://www.facebook.com/FOX35News
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Scylla on 04/04/2017 02:07 am
Credit: Ryan Bale // Spaceflight News
https://facebook.com/SpaceflightNews/

Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: dorkmo on 04/04/2017 02:19 am
looks like they just entered a holding pattern a little over 10 miles off the coast
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: leetdan on 04/04/2017 03:07 am
High tide is just after 2:30 local, does anybody recall the tide situation during previous returns? (I'm away from a PC otherwise I'd dig into this myself)

Updating my post, Trident Pier high tide is at 2:40 AM local.

The first barge arrival was 2016/4/12, high tide was 12:17 AM, and they came through around 2 AM.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: pb2000 on 04/04/2017 04:24 am
They should have borrowed the light from the Luxor and dropped in into the interstage.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 06:24 am
For the last half hour Elsbeth III has been heading towards port, albeit at a relatively slow 2 - 3 knots.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 07:07 am
Now heading due West towards Cocoa beach at just under 2 knots. I guesstimate won't get to port before 6 am EDT. Sunrise is a bit after 7am.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: leetdan on 04/04/2017 07:08 am
According to radio chatter, they plan to enter port NET sunrise (7:11 am local)
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: vanoord on 04/04/2017 07:35 am
Elsbeth III and Go Quest heading North-West at about 2.5 knots.

Arrival around sun-up makes sense as it gives a whole day to get the stage offloaded.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 08:56 am
According to MarineTraffic.com Elsbeth III is currently just over 5NM from port entrance, doing just under 2 knots. Now 2:15 to sunrise.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Beittil on 04/04/2017 09:39 am
The Tug 'Colonel' just left port and seems to be headed towards the ASDS?

https://www.vesselfinder.com/?mmsi=367017460
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: vanoord on 04/04/2017 09:41 am
Elsbeth III and Go Quest now up to about 4 knots, heading pretty much due north - suggesting they're heading in.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 09:50 am
Elsbeth III now 3 NM out from port entrance. Pilot2 is now also heading out - can't see any other ships in the area it may be going to support?
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Beittil on 04/04/2017 09:51 am
The Colonel deffo seems to be up for a rendezvous with Elsbeth III, its on a direct course for it and closing in rapidly.

Nm this, seems to pass them by.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: nitroousX on 04/04/2017 10:04 am
Tug passed, Pilot2 stationary; inside course of ASDS fleet on Intercept for Elsbeth
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 10:05 am
Elsbeth III and Pilot 2 now converging (less than 200m apart?) heading towards port
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: vanoord on 04/04/2017 10:11 am
Pilot boat now doing 9 knots, ahead of Elsbeth III - possibly heading in having dropped off a Pilot?


EDIT: certainly looks that way 10 minutes later
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 10:23 am
Elsbeth III slowing down, looks like Go Quest to enter port first.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 10:41 am
Go Quest has entered port. Elsbeth III about a mile out and heading in
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Beittil on 04/04/2017 10:52 am
There she is!

Image screened from: http://www.visitspacecoast.com/beaches/surfspots-cams/jetty-park-surf-cam/
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Beittil on 04/04/2017 10:54 am
Some folks on the pier to greet her :)

Image screened from: http://www.visitspacecoast.com/beaches/surfspots-cams/jetty-park-surf-cam/
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 10:58 am
Now live on periscope:

Quote
Alicia (SpaceGal)‏ @murphypak 1m1 minute ago

🚀❤️🚀👀SpaceX OCISLY with first reusable rocket arrival  into Port Canaveral as sun rises  🚀❤️🚀👀💯

https://twitter.com/murphypak/status/849213936616574979 (https://twitter.com/murphypak/status/849213936616574979)

https://www.pscp.tv/murphypak/1ypJdXgXMOoJW (https://www.pscp.tv/murphypak/1ypJdXgXMOoJW)
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 04/04/2017 10:58 am
Welcome home!

http://www.visitspacecoast.com/beaches/surfspots-cams/jetty-park-surf-cam/
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 11:01 am
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SES10: 1st reflown Falcon 9 booster now entering Port Canaveral atop SpaceX droneship

https://twitter.com/cbs_spacenews/status/849214955282944000 (https://twitter.com/cbs_spacenews/status/849214955282944000)
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 04/04/2017 11:07 am
Ha! Can't miss F9.
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 11:09 am
She's looking a bit toasty ...

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Michael Seeley‏ @Mike_Seeley 1m1 minute ago

Welcome home, #CRS8 / #SES10, as the #OCISLY delivers the now twice launch and landed #SpaceX #Falcon9 1st stage to Port Canaveral.

https://twitter.com/Mike_Seeley/status/849216873216573440 (https://twitter.com/Mike_Seeley/status/849216873216573440)

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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 11:13 am
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Val Phillips‏ @mumomegan 1m1 minute ago

@SpaceX #SES10 coming in to an audience

https://twitter.com/mumomegan/status/849217753999450117 (https://twitter.com/mumomegan/status/849217753999450117)
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Post by: rpapo on 04/04/2017 11:16 am
She's looking a bit toasty ...
Look carefully, and you will also see that the Xoomba didn't get to see action, or in the end they didn't use it to hold down the stage.  That's consistent with what Musk said about it, though.

Now, will they try experimenting with the Xoomba after they connect the stage to the crane, or put off those experiments for another rocket?
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 11:18 am
Beautiful shots at sunrise:

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William Harwood‏ @cbs_spacenews 20s21 seconds ago

F9/SES10:

https://twitter.com/cbs_spacenews/status/849219233892487168 (https://twitter.com/cbs_spacenews/status/849219233892487168)
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Post by: vanoord on 04/04/2017 11:20 am
Look carefully, and you will also see that the Xoomba didn't get to see action, or in the end they didn't use it to hold down the stage.  That's consistent with what Musk said about it, though.

Now, will they try experimenting with the Xoomba after they connect the stage to the crane, or put off those experiments for another rocket?

It might not be surprising if they did.

Would expect the crane to be connected first though.



Port Canaveral web cam resolutely turned away from the ASDS arrival ::)
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Post by: Paul Howard on 04/04/2017 11:23 am
She's looking a bit toasty ...
Look carefully, and you will also see that the Xoomba didn't get to see action, or in the end they didn't use it to hold down the stage.  That's consistent with what Musk said about it, though.

Now, will they try experimenting with the Xoomba after they connect the stage to the crane, or put off those experiments for another rocket?

The claim the robot was going to be used was just just some space site, SFN I think, guessing. It's a few months away.
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 04/04/2017 11:29 am
https://www.pscp.tv/murphypak/1ypJdXgXMOoJW

"In the future, there will be robots" (GTA Vice City) ;D
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Post by: vanoord on 04/04/2017 11:30 am
Port Canaveral web cam resolutely turned away from the ASDS arrival ::)

Just as the Falcon 9 was towed into view the webcam was whipped away.

Whoever operates these cameras seems to have little understanding about the connection between page views and advertising revenue...  (and yes, I know the background to this!).

Anyway, thank you to Alicia Murphy for some great views - https://www.pscp.tv/murphypak/1ypJdXgXMOoJW

(Edited)   According to MarineTraffic, the tugs assisting the ASDS are 'Eagle' and 'Christine S' - although a bit of me wonders why they don't just lower the Thrustmaster pods and let OCISLY dock itself  :D
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Post by: Silmfeanor on 04/04/2017 11:37 am
She's looking a bit toasty ...

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Michael Seeley‏ @Mike_Seeley 1m1 minute ago

Welcome home, #CRS8 / #SES10, as the #OCISLY delivers the now twice launch and landed #SpaceX #Falcon9 1st stage to Port Canaveral.

https://twitter.com/Mike_Seeley/status/849216873216573440 (https://twitter.com/Mike_Seeley/status/849216873216573440)

This picture nicely shows the blackened area above one of the grid fins, where the charred TPS deposited onto the booster!
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Post by: Rocket Science on 04/04/2017 11:54 am
Is anyone else's feed from Alicia start-stop? I trying to debug if at my end, thanks.
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 11:54 am
John Kraus again with amazing pictures:

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John Kraus‏ @johnkrausphotos 1m1 minute ago

Sunrise return of #Falcon9 B1021 after successful #SES10 mission and droneship landing.

https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/849227559963381762 (https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/849227559963381762)
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Post by: Herb Schaltegger on 04/04/2017 11:54 am
She's looking a bit toasty ...

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Michael Seeley‏ @Mike_Seeley 1m1 minute ago

Welcome home, #CRS8 / #SES10, as the #OCISLY delivers the now twice launch and landed #SpaceX #Falcon9 1st stage to Port Canaveral.

https://twitter.com/Mike_Seeley/status/849216873216573440 (https://twitter.com/Mike_Seeley/status/849216873216573440)

This picture nicely shows the blackened area above one of the grid fins, where the charred TPS deposited onto the booster!
Given the visual evidence of spot burn-through we've seen on at least one returned core, and Elon's comments about fins "on fire", I wouldn't be surprised if those deposits contain metallic aluminum droplets eroded from hotspots on the fin surface and deposited downstream with the charred ablalator.
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Post by: Skylab on 04/04/2017 11:57 am
Is anyone else's feed from Alicia start-stop? I trying to debug if at my end, thanks.
No problems here, totally smooth. Using the Edge browser to watch it.
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Post by: Rocket Science on 04/04/2017 12:02 pm
Is anyone else's feed from Alicia start-stop? I trying to debug if at my end, thanks.
No problems here, totally smooth. Using the Edge browser to watch it.
Works great now, thank you! :)
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 12:51 pm
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KSC Visitor Complex‏Verified account @ExploreSpaceKSC 38s39 seconds ago

Welcome back again, #Falcon9! #SES10 #OCISLY

https://twitter.com/ExploreSpaceKSC/status/849242632803016704 (https://twitter.com/ExploreSpaceKSC/status/849242632803016704)
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Post by: Rocket Science on 04/04/2017 12:55 pm
Thank you Alicia for the great video and for enduring physical pain trying to get the zoom shots for us! :)
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 12:58 pm
Thank you Alicia for the great video and for enduring physical pain trying to get the zoom shots for us! :)

Hear, hear. Not forgetting only having 3 hours sleep as she stayed up into the early hours in case Elsbeth III slipped in last night. Thank you!
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 01:14 pm
She's looking a bit toasty ...

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Michael Seeley‏ @Mike_Seeley 1m1 minute ago

Welcome home, #CRS8 / #SES10, as the #OCISLY delivers the now twice launch and landed #SpaceX #Falcon9 1st stage to Port Canaveral.

https://twitter.com/Mike_Seeley/status/849216873216573440 (https://twitter.com/Mike_Seeley/status/849216873216573440)

Here's another great shot by Mike and a link to a great flickr album (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mseeley1/sets/72157682202481085/), including some close-ups (downloading of that album is disabled - so you need to view on flickr):

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Michael Seeley‏ @Mike_Seeley 5m5 minutes ago

The #OCISLY delivering the 2x "flight proven" #Falcon9 #SES10 1st stage, seen at #sunrise in Port Canaveral. Album: https://flic.kr/s/aHskXiRPCz

https://twitter.com/Mike_Seeley/status/849247156489859076 (https://twitter.com/Mike_Seeley/status/849247156489859076)

Edit: hmm, I think Turner anticipated this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fighting_Temeraire) by about 179 years. Two brave ships, being towed to their (near) final resting place  ;)
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Post by: kevinof on 04/04/2017 02:11 pm
Weird to think that stage has been into orbit TWICE!. Takes getting used to.
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Post by: douglas100 on 04/04/2017 02:13 pm
Weird to think that stage has been into orbit TWICE!. Takes getting used to.

Nope. Just into space twice.
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Post by: kevinof on 04/04/2017 02:15 pm
Sorry I stand corrected. :) still weird.
 
Weird to think that stage has been into orbit TWICE!. Takes getting used to.

Nope. Just into space twice.
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Post by: leetdan on 04/04/2017 02:20 pm
Driving in to the port just now, I was super excited to see a flatbed truck hauling some large clamshell shape.  I pulled over, took out my phone camera, only to see...

edit: I thought it was a swimming pool when it drove by, but looking at the picture after the fact, maybe this was actually the fairing?  Beyel is a crane rental company, there are casters on the side, etc... Kicking myself for not taking more pictures!
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Post by: Wolfram66 on 04/04/2017 02:27 pm
https://www.pscp.tv/murphypak/1ypJdXgXMOoJW

"In the future, there will be robots" (GTA Vice City) ;D

Q) will they remove jack-stands once docked then practice with the xoomba robot prior to removing the stage from OSISLY?
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Post by: spacenut on 04/04/2017 02:45 pm
Maybe we need to start a new thread, but it looks like this one was burned badly.  Does anyone have a guess if this one can be refurbished to fly again?   I know the grid fins are going to be changed to titanium.  Titanium grid fins might be thinner than aluminum due to its far better heat resistance to lighten it some.  However, the bottom seems to be burned pretty bad.  I don't know if they can get 100 uses out of one.   
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Post by: meekGee on 04/04/2017 02:46 pm
There she is!

Image screened from: http://www.visitspacecoast.com/beaches/surfspots-cams/jetty-park-surf-cam/

That is one pretty photograph
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Post by: Scylla on 04/04/2017 03:00 pm

Julia Bergeron‏ @julia_bergeron

Lifting off for land! #OCILY #Falcon9 @SpaceX
https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/849272930752180224
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 03:14 pm
Did anyone note the time OCISLY docked? Feels like quicker time to lift than in the past?
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Post by: vanoord on 04/04/2017 03:24 pm
Did anyone note the time OCISLY docked? Feels like quicker time to lift than in the past?

About 1130 UCT alongside iirc (my comment about the port webcam being turned away was 1120 forum time, which I think is UCT) - but the tugs were still attending around an hour later.

You should be able to back through Alicia's feed to get more accurate times.

And yes, it does seem that they've got this one off more quickly.
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Post by: Confusador on 04/04/2017 04:06 pm
Maybe we need to start a new thread, but it looks like this one was burned badly.  Does anyone have a guess if this one can be refurbished to fly again?   I know the grid fins are going to be changed to titanium.  Titanium grid fins might be thinner than aluminum due to its far better heat resistance to lighten it some.  However, the bottom seems to be burned pretty bad.  I don't know if they can get 100 uses out of one.

That discussion is over here: Refurbishment of Used Stages/Vehicles (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39167.0)
tl;dr: There are reasons they're not refurbing this one again.
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Post by: Wolfram66 on 04/04/2017 04:23 pm
Maybe we need to start a new thread, but it looks like this one was burned badly.  Does anyone have a guess if this one can be refurbished to fly again?   I know the grid fins are going to be changed to titanium.  Titanium grid fins might be thinner than aluminum due to its far better heat resistance to lighten it some.  However, the bottom seems to be burned pretty bad.  I don't know if they can get 100 uses out of one.

What about the choice of Reinforced Carbon-Carbon (RCC) for the Grid Fins. What are the pro's and Cons WRT RCC vs Titanium
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 04/04/2017 04:41 pm
Great pics from overhead!
https://imgur.com/a/wke7n
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Post by: Req on 04/04/2017 04:56 pm
The deck looks extra toasty.  Maybe that "block 1 solution" brought back the post-landing RP-1 discharge issue.

Edit to attach an image from the above link.
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Post by: guckyfan on 04/04/2017 05:44 pm
Already off the ASDS. They are getting faster on every step of the process.
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Post by: cscott on 04/04/2017 05:48 pm
The deck looks extra toasty.  Maybe that "block 1 solution" brought back the post-landing RP-1 discharge issue.

Edit to attach an image from the above link.
I didn't see any flames after landing.  I suspect the touch-up job on the deck hasn't been 100% each time.
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Post by: Wolfram66 on 04/04/2017 06:06 pm
The deck looks extra toasty.  Maybe that "block 1 solution" brought back the post-landing RP-1 discharge issue.

Edit to attach an image from the above link.
I didn't see any flames after landing.  I suspect the touch-up job on the deck hasn't been 100% each time.

Looks like just a lot of coking. a good scrubbing and a little touch-up on the paint and OCISLY will be good to go
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Post by: flyright on 04/04/2017 06:09 pm
The deck looks extra toasty.  Maybe that "block 1 solution" brought back the post-landing RP-1 discharge issue.

Edit to attach an image from the above link.

Maybe the stains on the deck are the result of procedures done after landing to drain or burn off residual fluids.
Not sure I understand, "block 1 solution". Wasn't this booster upgraded to block 3?
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Post by: Paul_G on 04/04/2017 06:12 pm

Not sure I understand, "block 1 solution". Wasn't this booster upgraded to block 3?

I think that might be a reference back to the first stages that were recovered where there were fuel fires on deck visible in the landing footage after engine shut down.


Paul
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Post by: rberry on 04/04/2017 06:31 pm
The deck looks extra toasty.  Maybe that "block 1 solution" brought back the post-landing RP-1 discharge issue.

Edit to attach an image from the above link.
I didn't see any flames after landing.  I suspect the touch-up job on the deck hasn't been 100% each time.

Touch up seems pretty decent if you look at pictures of the deck just before OCISLY left port, but agree that it is probably just blast damage from landing and not due to fires seen in the past. Seems to get toasty right before touchdown.

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/60k0qw/i_took_a_helicopter_ride_over_ocisly_today_and/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/spacex/33026465643/in/photostream/
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 06:56 pm
Another picture from earlier. Posting it as I think the cranes are giving a fitting salute to a returning (and retiring) booster  ;)

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#Falcon9 is home at Port Canaveral.

https://twitter.com/emrekelly/status/849239518897209344 (https://twitter.com/emrekelly/status/849239518897209344)
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Post by: Scylla on 04/04/2017 08:32 pm
SpaceX - First Ever - Re-Flown Booster In Port 04-03-2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmL_sPWrq3Y
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/04/2017 09:32 pm
Space News 360 video of arrival into port:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zghLs_9apzc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zghLs_9apzc)
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Post by: cscott on 04/05/2017 12:45 am


Touch up seems pretty decent if you look at pictures of the deck just before OCISLY left port, but agree that it is probably just blast damage from landing and not due to fires seen in the past. Seems to get toasty right before touchdown.
I was thinking that the new touch up paint might not adhere to the landed-upon deck quite as well as when "factory fresh", so even though they repaint after each landing it ends up looking "worse" each time.  It's all cosmetic anyway.

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Post by: hans_ober on 04/05/2017 02:08 am
They might switch to an ablative coat that can be quickly applied and removed. Something that provides good thermal insulation, and protects the core from re-entry heating. Better ablative paint would allow them to try even hotter landing which use shorter re-entry burns, and in turn with the stronger titanium grid-fins allow them to glide and aerobrake.
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Post by: winkhomewinkhome on 04/05/2017 02:33 am
She's looking a bit toasty ...

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Michael Seeley‏ @Mike_Seeley 1m1 minute ago

Welcome home, #CRS8 / #SES10, as the #OCISLY delivers the now twice launch and landed #SpaceX #Falcon9 1st stage to Port Canaveral.

https://twitter.com/Mike_Seeley/status/849216873216573440 (https://twitter.com/Mike_Seeley/status/849216873216573440)

Here's another great shot by Mike and a link to a great flickr album (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mseeley1/sets/72157682202481085/), including some close-ups (downloading of that album is disabled - so you need to view on flickr):

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Michael Seeley‏ @Mike_Seeley 5m5 minutes ago

The #OCISLY delivering the 2x "flight proven" #Falcon9 #SES10 1st stage, seen at #sunrise in Port Canaveral. Album: https://flic.kr/s/aHskXiRPCz

https://twitter.com/Mike_Seeley/status/849247156489859076 (https://twitter.com/Mike_Seeley/status/849247156489859076)

Edit: hmm, I think Turner anticipated this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fighting_Temeraire) by about 179 years. Two brave ships, being towed to their (near) final resting place  ;)

Rather than being towed to an end, being towed to a new beginning!
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/05/2017 05:18 am
They might switch to an ablative coat that can be quickly applied and removed. Something that provides good thermal insulation, and protects the core from re-entry heating. Better ablative paint would allow them to try even hotter landing which use shorter re-entry burns, and in turn with the stronger titanium grid-fins allow them to glide and aerobrake.

I've responded to this on the refurbishment thread (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39167.msg1663675#msg1663675).
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Post by: Lar on 04/05/2017 10:32 am

Not sure I understand, "block 1 solution". Wasn't this booster upgraded to block 3?

I think that might be a reference back to the first stages that were recovered where there were fuel fires on deck visible in the landing footage after engine shut down.


Paul

Actually I think it's a reference to statements made by a SpaceXer (or ex?) on reddit about the refurb process, that this booster had some parts in it that weren't planned for, and didn't have part numbers (since they were done on the assembly line and subsequent boosters had part numbers for them), and when they replaced things, since it was a block 2, some of the block 3 things they tried to replace didn't fit, or didn't install as expected, so they used "block 1" techniques to do a few things.  I don't recall the thread right now but it might be the refurb one, not quite sure. It sparked off a pretty good discussion about whether SpaceX has their processes under control and are repeatable, etc. Which I'd rather not see us have here.

We don't have the level of detail to know which parts or to speculate on whether that is why there was so much burning (the legs are on fire in the landing vid).  https://www.instagram.com/p/BSfJDjMFzwR/ ... discussed starting here http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=42544.msg1663655#msg1663655
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Post by: DOCinCT on 04/05/2017 08:04 pm
An ultra high resolution, downloadable photo by John Kraus
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1kdn8Hd3DfrOVN0dURpWmVuLVE/view (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1kdn8Hd3DfrOVN0dURpWmVuLVE/view)

A collection of fantastic aerial shots of F9 and OCISLY in port by Steve Marr
https://imgur.com/gallery/wke7n (https://imgur.com/gallery/wke7n)

Another great shot by Jason Perrone
http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/197584 (http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/197584)
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Post by: HVM on 04/05/2017 08:27 pm
An ultra high resolution, downloadable photo by John Kraus
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1kdn8Hd3DfrOVN0dURpWmVuLVE/view (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1kdn8Hd3DfrOVN0dURpWmVuLVE/view)
...

Is the "soot" really soot from RP-1 or desublimated (depostion) PICA-X? (which is also a soot...)
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Post by: Scylla on 04/05/2017 09:46 pm
Julia Bergeron‏ @julia_bergeron

Landing legs are off! Current view of @SpaceX #Falcon9 photo courtesy Ryan Bale/ Spaceflight News
https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/849737773783293952
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/05/2017 10:26 pm
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#SpaceX #SES 10 Ready for move. SpaceX crew gets faster, more efficient with each  (in this case used) booster

https://twitter.com/uslaunchreport/status/849746246596251648 (https://twitter.com/uslaunchreport/status/849746246596251648)
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/06/2017 05:43 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkaFwFkXZoc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkaFwFkXZoc)
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: rsdavis9 on 04/06/2017 04:05 pm
An ultra high resolution, downloadable photo by John Kraus
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1kdn8Hd3DfrOVN0dURpWmVuLVE/view (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1kdn8Hd3DfrOVN0dURpWmVuLVE/view)
...

Is the "soot" really soot from RP-1 or desublimated (depostion) PICA-X? (which is also a soot...)

There is no pica-x on the booster.
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Post by: rpapo on 04/06/2017 05:05 pm
Is the "soot" really soot from RP-1 or desublimated (depostion) PICA-X? (which is also a soot...)
There is no pica-x on the booster.
But there is "SPAM", which is an ablative coating also.  The question is, what does it become when it ablates?
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Scylla on 04/06/2017 06:44 pm
A cam other than *you know who*.
Can't see much, but can see stage is still vertical.
http://orlandoprincess.com
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/06/2017 10:52 pm
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#SpaceX #SES 10 Still standing. Probably due to high winds.

https://twitter.com/uslaunchreport/status/850112350678130689 (https://twitter.com/uslaunchreport/status/850112350678130689)
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: pstephens on 04/08/2017 01:28 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0cd_rLI_04 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0cd_rLI_04)

This video is from CRS8 about a year ago. According to the "Orlando Princess" web cam, S1 is still vertical.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 04/08/2017 07:58 am
Doh!  :-[  Apologies, I was obviously so tired last night I confused my recommendations and new post lists ...
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Ronsmytheiii on 04/08/2017 11:52 am
Looks like the stage has disappeared from view on the webcam, gone horizontal?

http://orlandoprincess.com/

Edit: Can see that clearly now
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: guckyfan on 04/08/2017 12:30 pm
8 days from launch to horizontal on a drone ship landing. They are speeding up.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: jpo234 on 04/08/2017 12:42 pm
8 days from launch to horizontal on a drone ship landing. They are speeding up.
Maybe a stage that is put out to pasture needs less care. Or they are really getting faster with experience.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Scylla on 04/08/2017 01:09 pm
Definantly Horizontal.
http://orlandoprincess.com
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: blah on 04/08/2017 02:54 pm
Photo of the Falcon horizontal from port canaveral. Photo
Ryan Bale // Spaceflight News
https://www.facebook.com/SpaceflightNews/
https://www.spaceflightnews.org
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Robotbeat on 04/08/2017 03:57 pm
8 days from launch to horizontal on a drone ship landing. They are speeding up.
How many days total was the droneship out to sea?
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Scylla on 04/08/2017 04:04 pm
Moving out.
http://orlandoprincess.com
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: vaporcobra on 04/08/2017 08:53 pm
021 now mounted onto the recently acquired Falcon transporter and on the move to a SpaceX hangar in CCAFS (one would presume). Photos courtesy of /u/aftersteveo over on /r/SpaceX. The new transporter sure looks nice :)

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/634gmr/b1021ses10_recovery_thread/dg0277l/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/634gmr/b1021ses10_recovery_thread/dg0277l/)
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: shuttlefan on 04/08/2017 09:47 pm
021 now mounted onto the recently acquired Falcon transporter and on the move to a SpaceX hangar in CCAFS (one would presume). Photos courtesy of /u/aftersteveo over on /r/SpaceX. The new transporter sure looks nice :)

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/634gmr/b1021ses10_recovery_thread/dg0277l/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/634gmr/b1021ses10_recovery_thread/dg0277l/)

Aren't they moving it to the hanger at Pad 39-A?
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: envy887 on 04/08/2017 09:52 pm
021 now mounted onto the recently acquired Falcon transporter and on the move to a SpaceX hangar in CCAFS (one would presume). Photos courtesy of /u/aftersteveo over on /r/SpaceX. The new transporter sure looks nice :)

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/634gmr/b1021ses10_recovery_thread/dg0277l/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/634gmr/b1021ses10_recovery_thread/dg0277l/)

Aren't they moving it to the hanger at Pad 39-A?

They need the HIF at 39-A for ongoing launch operations. LC-40 isn't active.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: rpapo on 04/08/2017 09:57 pm
021 now mounted onto the recently acquired Falcon transporter and on the move to a SpaceX hangar in CCAFS (one would presume). Photos courtesy of /u/aftersteveo over on /r/SpaceX. The new transporter sure looks nice :)

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/634gmr/b1021ses10_recovery_thread/dg0277l/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/634gmr/b1021ses10_recovery_thread/dg0277l/)

Aren't they moving it to the hanger at Pad 39-A?

They need the HIF at 39-A for ongoing launch operations. LC-40 isn't active.
They could probably take it to the building at LZ-1, too, if they aren't going to fully refurbish it for another launch.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: southshore26 on 04/08/2017 10:45 pm
021 now mounted onto the recently acquired Falcon transporter and on the move to a SpaceX hangar in CCAFS (one would presume). Photos courtesy of /u/aftersteveo over on /r/SpaceX. The new transporter sure looks nice :)

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/634gmr/b1021ses10_recovery_thread/dg0277l/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/634gmr/b1021ses10_recovery_thread/dg0277l/)

Aren't they moving it to the hanger at Pad 39-A?

They need the HIF at 39-A for ongoing launch operations. LC-40 isn't active.
They could probably take it to the building at LZ-1, too, if they aren't going to fully refurbish it for another launch.

If the building at LZ1 is ready to go that would be my bet... then they have longterm storage till the site is ready where it's going to be displayed. They aren't going to launch it again.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: Scylla on 04/08/2017 11:55 pm
SpaceX - Booster 1021 - Historic 04-08-2017
USLaunchReport

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gyrbKto5IQ
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 (F9-B1021) OCISLY return to Cape Coverage
Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 06/28/2017 06:09 am
Nice grid fin shot, will be interesting to compare with the titanium ones:

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Aluminum grid fins on the first reusable Falcon 9 after its reflight. Hope someone in Cali can get  shots of titanium fins when JRTI docks.

https://twitter.com/nova_road/status/879855244473225216 (https://twitter.com/nova_road/status/879855244473225216)