NASASpaceFlight.com Forum

SpaceX Vehicles and Missions => SpaceX Missions Section => Topic started by: Johnnyhinbos on 03/18/2016 09:08 AM

Title: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Johnnyhinbos on 03/18/2016 09:08 AM
It's missing a star?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Marslauncher on 03/18/2016 12:57 PM
Nope! The Falcon 9 is the last star!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kona314 on 03/18/2016 04:25 PM
T-shirts with the patch are listed in the SpaceX shop, but currently "out of stock." :(
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rower2000 on 03/21/2016 06:44 AM

The octaweb is misaligned *duck*.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JBF on 03/21/2016 11:24 AM
T-shirts with the patch are listed in the SpaceX shop, but currently "out of stock." :(

The Men's 5X is still in stock.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kona314 on 03/21/2016 01:49 PM
T-shirts with the patch are listed in the SpaceX shop, but currently "out of stock." :(

The Men's 5X is still in stock.

They went in stock about an hour after I posted that. Ordered one right away.  :D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 04/19/2016 03:08 PM
As noted, as the flight rate increases, having a party thread for each mission could be a bit messy, so we said we'd go with a general party thread for "regular" missions and reserve the specific party threads to CRS missions and big events like the first FH, Dragon 2 and so on.

Following suggestions and a vote for a winner, the title has now been selected.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: abaddon on 04/19/2016 03:14 PM
How about "Welcome to the SpaceX Party Party Launch Thread"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bERtaqXtBpI
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 04/19/2016 03:15 PM
BYOLF: "The Bring-Your-Own-Liquid-Fuel" General Party Thread."

Solid fuel munchies, too. We like to be inclusive.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 04/19/2016 03:21 PM
One more:

"The SpaceX 'Tank Up and Chill' General Party Thread."

I'll stop now.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 04/19/2016 03:34 PM
The very obvious title: Launch and land and relaunch party!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYUDQh2RSbw
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 04/19/2016 03:35 PM
Also as was suggested in the BEAM party, "SpaceX wants to party all the time thread"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWa-6g-TbgI
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 04/19/2016 03:37 PM
And finally, as a play on the saying "we're successful when launches are boring", I suggest the "No launch is ever boring SpaceX Party thread".
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 04/19/2016 03:38 PM
As noted, as the flight rate increases, having a party thread for each mission could be a bit messy, so we said we'd go with a general party thread for "regular" missions and reserve the specific party threads to CRS missions and big events like the first FH, Dragon 2 and so on.

So we need a suggestion for the title of the general party thread title, with the suggestion with the most likes becoming the title of this thread.

Such as "SpaceX Falcon 9 'Jim says it's only a ComSat Launch' Party Thread." ;D

Well I guess we can keep using this party thread until we suffer a collapsed landing leg and the thread tips over and is destroyed.   ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 04/19/2016 03:49 PM
As noted, as the flight rate increases, having a party thread for each mission could be a bit messy, so we said we'd go with a general party thread for "regular" missions and reserve the specific party threads to CRS missions and big events like the first FH, Dragon 2 and so on.

So we need a suggestion for the title of the general party thread title, with the suggestion with the most likes becoming the title of this thread.

Such as "SpaceX Falcon 9 'Jim says it's only a ComSat Launch' Party Thread." ;D

Well I guess we can keep using this party thread until we suffer a collapsed landing leg and the thread tips over and is destroyed.   ;)

No! We'd spill our fuels all over the barge deck and ruin our barbeque solid fuel prep! We'd have to invoke 5-second rules for eating cleanup!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mheney on 04/19/2016 03:50 PM
"Merlin's hangout - the SpaceX party thread"
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 04/19/2016 03:59 PM
how about, given this is an election year (in the US):

"I'm voting for the SpaceX Party"  Thread
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 04/19/2016 04:02 PM
You know what happens if we have a straight open vote: 
we may end up with the  "Boaty McBoat Face" Party Thread

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/18/world/boaty-mcboatface-wins-vote/
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: litton4 on 04/19/2016 04:09 PM
Rocky McRocket, surely
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: GabrielP on 04/19/2016 04:22 PM
"The Never-ending Party - Launch, land, rinse, refuel, repeat"
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 04/19/2016 04:41 PM
In keeping with the musical parody noted above, how about the "SpaceX Launch You Up Party Thread"?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Meltro on 04/19/2016 04:41 PM
"I'd rather be launching"

If this is going to be the one true party thread, just think of how many thousands of hours are going to be lost....
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 04/19/2016 05:03 PM
"It's my party and I'll launch if I want to!"
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 04/19/2016 05:03 PM
"I am General Party! Drop and give me 20"
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: NovaSilisko on 04/19/2016 05:05 PM
Could we give the thread a new name for each launch, while keeping it the same thread?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Barrie on 04/19/2016 05:07 PM
The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Meltro on 04/19/2016 05:11 PM
Could we give the thread a new name for each launch, while keeping it the same thread?

I think we'll be having multiple threads regardless, so plenty more naming opportunities. A single never ending party thread will surely test the limits of the forum backend at some point.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lars-J on 04/19/2016 05:15 PM
"The Never-ending Party - Launch, land, rinse, refuel, repeat"

 ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxWzsrj8bZE
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: llanitedave on 04/19/2016 06:25 PM
The Come One Come All Boring Routine Never a Dull Moment SpaceX General Party Launch Thread.




But you have to say it three times fast.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Jarnis on 04/19/2016 08:03 PM
The Reusable Falcon 9 Party Thread
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: WmThomas on 04/19/2016 08:10 PM
The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread

Like it.

I also like my parody-rip off title idea:

"Party, Land, and Re-Party SpaceX Party"

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: cro-magnon gramps on 04/19/2016 08:22 PM
First off, criteria for a Name:

1) it musk Mention SpaceX
2) it should NOT reference a specific LV / SC
3) it should be FUN!!!

My suggestion therefore:

The SpaceX Lunch - Drinking Game Party Thread
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: TOG on 04/19/2016 08:27 PM
The SpaceX Falcon's Nest Party Thread

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 04/19/2016 08:28 PM
First off, criteria for a Name:

1) it musk Mention SpaceX
2) it should NOT reference a specific LV / SC
3) it should be FUN!!!

My suggestion therefore:

The SpaceX Lunch - Drinking Game Party Thread

The Roost:  SpaceX Party Thread
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: 3Davideo on 04/20/2016 09:01 PM
How about simply "The One True Party Thread"?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 04/20/2016 09:02 PM
The SpaceX Falcon's Nest Party Thread

I thought Falcon's Nest was the name Nomadd was using for the Boca Chica party location, er, house, he bought...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: nadreck on 04/20/2016 09:04 PM
BFPT


(Big F'ing party thread)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 04/20/2016 09:44 PM
Vote closes at 9:12pm Eastern.

(Did anyone see what I did there?) ;D

Looks like Barrie has this one in the bag.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Retired Downrange on 04/20/2016 10:26 PM
SpaceX will go FARR

(Fully And Rapidly Reusable)

😏😎
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 04/20/2016 10:43 PM
Well since the superdelegate apparently already chose one, I won't bother voting for any more other ones :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Kansan52 on 04/20/2016 10:53 PM
"My SX, my SX." Party!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: OxCartMark on 04/20/2016 11:50 PM
The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Mild modification suggestion-

>The fully and Rapidly Reusable Falcon Party Thread<

- Because you can party longer than just the launch
- Because Falcon Party makes it sound like its a Falcon party.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 04/21/2016 12:27 AM
Heck with a Thread, just open a whole Party Section.

You know we will fill it ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Carl G on 04/21/2016 02:25 AM
The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread

Chris obviously went to bed in UKLand, but we're at the suggestion close point and this won. Chris will change the thread title when he's back. Barrie has the right to go with the modified suggestion above.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: llanitedave on 04/21/2016 04:08 AM
That's FRRLPT for short.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mme on 04/21/2016 04:14 AM
That's FRRLPT for short.
Too bad it's not:
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 04/21/2016 04:15 AM

 A single never ending party thread will surely test the limits of the forum backend at some point.

Sounds painful (and messy) ... ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 04/21/2016 10:34 AM
Winning name (Barrie's) now the thread title. He has the right to request the modified version, but that's his call as he's the winner. :)

Remember not to get too carried away. It's mainly the relief valve for the "serious face" mission threads.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: EgorBotts on 04/21/2016 11:13 AM
Wow, only on page 3 and "someone" is already writing about a possible valve malfunction!


Remember not to get too carried away. It's mainly the relief valve for the "serious face" mission threads.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Jarnis on 04/21/2016 11:29 AM
Wow, only on page 3 and "someone" is already writing about a possible valve malfunction!


Remember not to get too carried away. It's mainly the relief valve for the "serious face" mission threads.

At least it is not a helium valve.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 04/21/2016 11:41 AM
Winning name (Barrie's) now the thread title. He has the right to request the modified version, but that's his call as he's the winner. :)

Remember not to get too carried away. It's mainly the relief valve for the "serious face" mission threads.
Request the modified version? That's daft! What if he says "the modified version is "Chris Bergin is a Boaty McBoatface" ???
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 04/21/2016 01:13 PM
Winning name (Barrie's) now the thread title. He has the right to request the modified version, but that's his call as he's the winner. :)

Remember not to get too carried away. It's mainly the relief valve for the "serious face" mission threads.
Request the modified version? That's daft! What if he says "the modified version is "Chris Bergin is a Boaty McBoatface" ???

I'd be overjoyed.

However...........  :P

The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Mild modification suggestion-

>The fully and Rapidly Reusable Falcon Party Thread<

- Because you can party longer than just the launch
- Because Falcon Party makes it sound like its a Falcon party.

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: abaddon on 04/21/2016 01:59 PM
He has the right to request the modified version, but that's his call as he's the winner. :)
Hey, I didn't vote for the modified version!*  It adds another word that is not necessary to an already long thread name.  We are in the SpaceX section, so nobody would confuse it with a BO rocket.  SpaceX only has Falcons, it can't launch anything else.  If and when we get a non-Falcon launched by SpaceX we will probably want another party thread anyway...

I hope we stick with the current name :).











* - I didn't vote
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 04/21/2016 02:52 PM
Another precinct heard from!

(leave it to the person who didn't vote to complain about the outcome...  in the best Chicago tradition **I** voted early and often!)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: IntoTheVoid on 04/21/2016 03:34 PM
It adds another word ...

It's a word exchange, not an add; no additional letters.  :P The party is for more than launch. The mod would be better.

 ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: tleski on 04/21/2016 03:52 PM
Contested convention on Party Thread?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Tuts36 on 04/21/2016 03:54 PM
That's FRRLPT for short.

Great.  One more acronym I won't be able to keep straight...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: OxCartMark on 04/21/2016 04:22 PM
Contested convention on Party Thread?
Whose convention?

Democratic Party?
Republican Party?
Libertarian Party?

Falcon Party
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: abaddon on 04/21/2016 04:24 PM
It's a word exchange, not an add; no additional letters.  :P The party is for more than launch. The mod would be better.

 ;)
Only semi-serious; but Dragon landings following a successful mission wouldn't fit.  There is no "Falcon" involved.  So maybe we should just get rid of Launch completely!  "The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Party Thread".  That's sufficiently generic for everything except for an expendable launch which... we may have some of.

Drat.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Barrie on 04/21/2016 05:53 PM
Well, as Nelson Mandela said when he met the Spice Girls, this is the happiest day of my life.

I take the point that it will be for more than launches, but  I'm not keen on adding 'Falcon' in it for aesthetic reasons.  It just seems clunky, it won't trip off the tongue, especially after you've had a few. 

And, not trying to be 'funny', but it's the party thread that is fully and rapidly reusable - Falcon isn't quite there yet   ;)

How about 'The SpaceX Fully and Rapidly Reusable Party Thread'?  Complete and concise whilst being verbose enough for comic effect?

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: tleski on 04/21/2016 05:57 PM
It sounds great as it is. Please don't change anything!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Barrie on 04/21/2016 06:12 PM
I must admit, it does just sound right, thanks of course to Elon's iconic catchphrase!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: abaddon on 04/21/2016 06:16 PM
How about a "The Day The Music Died Funeral Thread"?  I could use one right about now  :'(
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mheney on 04/21/2016 06:36 PM
Winning name (Barrie's) now the thread title. He has the right to request the modified version, but that's his call as he's the winner. :)

Remember not to get too carried away. It's mainly the relief valve for the "serious face" mission threads.
Request the modified version? That's daft! What if he says "the modified version is "Chris Bergin is a Boaty McBoatface" ???

Better than "Horsey McHorseface" ... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-36052242 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-36052242)

(http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/10D5A/production/_89245986_horseymchorseface.png)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 04/21/2016 11:03 PM
Ya know, this has probably been suggested somewhere else already, but hey! This is a Party Thread!!!

So Disney and NASA have done things together in the past (Mission Space @ Epcot)... and there's a Han Solo movie due out in a couple years...

And then there's this funky module up on the ISS that looks a lot like the cockpit of the Millenium Falcon... which curiously enough ties directly into the LV for the Dragon... Sooo, maybe Disney should get a couple cardboard cut-outs of Han and Chewie, fly them up as space-filler cargo on a Dragon flight and then the crew can pose them in the cupola for publicity shots from outside. ;)

Call it Public Outreach on NASA's part! ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: launchwatcher on 04/21/2016 11:26 PM
Sooo, maybe Disney should get a couple cardboard cut-outs of Han and Chewie, fly them up as space-filler cargo on a Dragon flight and then the crew can pose them in the cupola for publicity shots from outside. ;)
Given that there was room for a gorilla suit on a previous flight, they can probably squeeze in a wookie outfit..

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 04/21/2016 11:39 PM
Sooo, maybe Disney should get a couple cardboard cut-outs of Han and Chewie, fly them up as space-filler cargo on a Dragon flight and then the crew can pose them in the cupola for publicity shots from outside. ;)
Given that there was room for a gorilla suit on a previous flight, they can probably squeeze in a wookie outfit..


with some careful tailoring and a new headmask you probably could fudge the Wookie look using the g-suit...

Just don't poke an eye out.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 04/22/2016 01:41 AM
So is only the first stage of the party reusable? Or will Chris be out doing spaceX and reuse the party's second stage. The part that may or may not put a hole in Chis's servers ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ionmars on 04/22/2016 02:55 AM
Pardon me. Is this the 4-month-party-to-Mars thread? No? Be back later.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: e of pi on 04/22/2016 03:12 AM
So is only the first stage of the party reusable? Or will Chris be out doing spaceX and reuse the party's second stage. The part that may or may not put a hole in Chis's servers ;)
As long as the hole's in the server, not the barge!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 04/22/2016 09:56 AM
Pardon me. Is this the 4-month-party-to-Mars thread? No? Be back later.

Well Ionmars, if you're planning to go to Mars by ion power it will probably be a lot longer than 4 months.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ionmars on 04/22/2016 11:26 PM
Pardon me. Is this the 4-month-party-to-Mars thread? No? Be back later.

Well Ionmars, if you're planning to go to Mars by ion power it will probably be a lot longer than 4 months.
Nah, sent my worldly goods ahead on the SEP route. Just taking myself and a kilo of Concord grape seeds on the all-propellant fast run.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: averagespacejoe on 04/23/2016 06:11 AM
His name could mean "I on Mars" which grammatically is a little weird but I think is something we would all like to claim one day.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Kaputnik on 04/23/2016 09:58 AM
Not exactly party talk, but, the other day I noticed something. My most visited url always used to be the SpaceX general section, then a couple of years ago it had switched to Missions as the flight rate ramped up. Last week it switched again, to 'Reusable Rockets'. One day, it is going to be the 'Mars' section. I can't wait. 8)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 04/25/2016 03:00 PM
landing poll out for JSAT-14
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40146.0
go make your guess and then BACK TO THE PARTY!!!!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 04/25/2016 04:07 PM

Repairing the ASDS can only be fun for so long.

Why target the ASDS at all then? If they really think the 3-burn landing is the way to go in the future, why not test it out "landing" on the open ocean like they did before the ASDS was ready? When you show you can do it there, then but a boat underneath it.

Consider the "enormous commercial possibilities should they succeed"...
stages are worth more than the cost of the repairs to the ASDS.

(monty python episode  referencing flying sheep removed since this actually isn't the party thread).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJfPV7HU1IM

inserted here, because.. this is the party thread!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: matthewkantar on 04/25/2016 09:40 PM
Just moved the launch date by a day. May The 4th Be With Them.

Matthew
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 04/26/2016 12:03 AM
As long as it doesn't further move to Cinco De Bargo Mayo
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 04/26/2016 01:14 AM
As long as it doesn't further move to Cinco De Bargo Mayo

I'll be quite happy so long as they don't cinco de barge.

However, regarding SES 9's 3 engine landing attempt, many are claiming, without evidence so far as I can see, that it resulted in a hole in the ASDS. I've seen the pictures, but they show the ASDS (hole-free) leaving, the other pics show it returning with a hole. For some reason, everyone seems to assume that the F9 did this. This is perplexing to me, because there's a far more plausible explanation; the ASDS is a ship, ships sometimes have rats, and rats are known to chew holes in things.

Occam's Razor.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 04/26/2016 01:31 AM
...the ASDS is a ship, ships sometimes have rats, and rats are known to chew holes in things.

Occam's Razor.
It did manage to come back from the Bermuda Triangle...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 04/26/2016 02:28 AM
As long as it doesn't further move to Cinco De Bargo Mayo

I'll be quite happy so long as they don't cinco de barge.

However, regarding SES 9's 3 engine landing attempt, many are claiming, without evidence so far as I can see, that it resulted in a hole in the ASDS. I've seen the pictures, but they show the ASDS (hole-free) leaving, the other pics show it returning with a hole. For some reason, everyone seems to assume that the F9 did this. This is perplexing to me, because there's a far more plausible explanation; the ASDS is a ship, ships sometimes have rats, and rats are known to chew holes in things.

Occam's Razor.

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect, Vizzini...

:D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 04/26/2016 03:52 AM
Do we have to bring up the whole duck floats witch thing again?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: llanitedave on 04/26/2016 05:03 AM
Only if we want to burn her.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Tass on 04/26/2016 05:40 AM
Do we have to bring up the whole duck floats witch thing again?

Are you saying OCISLY is a witch?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dodo on 04/26/2016 06:59 AM
It did manage to come back from the Bermuda Triangle...
Are you saying OCISLY is a witch?

She did come from the Bermuda Triangle holding a candle and worshipping Mars. That was weird.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mfck on 04/26/2016 10:40 AM
Not aiming at anyone in particular, Captain Obvious likes to note that jokes are the fuel of a party thread and that in fully and rapidly reusable rocket system fuel is not a reusable component.

On the same note, the fuel has to be of a certain composition and purity for the system to work.

As you were
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 04/27/2016 08:34 PM
I think we should start talking about Naming 'Red DrWagon'...

Might I suggest 'Radio Flyer'  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 04/27/2016 08:36 PM
Given today's announcement I want to party like it's 2018...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 04/27/2016 09:02 PM
Given today's announcement I want to party like it's 2018...

re: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40146.msg1523961#msg1523961

...this is starting to feel like a party thread..
    wait it is the party thread! Never mind.

By the way, I modified that poll for a few hours to include the option "A moose once bit my sister"
but nobody voted for it, and I deleted the option because... it's wasn't a party thread.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 04/27/2016 09:08 PM
Given today's announcement I want to party like it's 2018...

re: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40146.msg1523961#msg1523961

...this is starting to feel like a party thread..
    wait it is the party thread! Never mind.

By the way, I modified that poll for a few hours to include the option "A moose once bit my sister"
but nobody voted for it, and I deleted the option because... it's wasn't a party thread.

You got the reference! Well played, sir
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 04/27/2016 09:13 PM
... SpaceX has to have a very aggressive pace to meet humans on Mars by 2025.

Robotbeat is a VERY smart guy... what does he know that we don't? What humans will SpaceX [astronauts] be meeting on Mars by 2025??? Enquiring minds want to know!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 04/27/2016 10:04 PM
Given today's announcement I want to party like it's 2018...

re: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40146.msg1523961#msg1523961

...this is starting to feel like a party thread..
    wait it is the party thread! Never mind.

By the way, I modified that poll for a few hours to include the option "A moose once bit my sister"
but nobody voted for it, and I deleted the option because... it's wasn't a party thread.

You got the reference! Well played, sir

Since I wasn't sure if it was a trap set by you, Lar, I was going to respond to that post with "And now for something completely different -- why I voted for a stage recovery up his friend's nose!"  But decided not to, since, well, you know, it  wasn't a party thread.

By the way, those responsible for sacking the poster who originally posted that poll have been sacked...  :D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 04/28/2016 03:26 AM
Given today's announcement I want to party like it's 2018...

Red Dragon to Mars on a FH in 2018? That launch window is centered on April 30th, so just about two years from today. It's highly ambitious, because SpaceX has a huge amount to accomplish in order to do it. The biggest challenge may be landing (Which would be January, 2019); can they get the ASDS there in time?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ionmars on 04/28/2016 07:44 AM
Red Dragon to Mars on a FH in 2018? That launch window is centered on April 30th, so just about two years from today. It's highly ambitious, because SpaceX has a huge amount to accomplish in order to do it. The biggest challenge may be landing (Which would be January, 2019); can they get the ASDS there in time?
There's water on Mars so it seems perfectly reasonable to me that ASDS will float on Mars.  :D

I'm counting on that water to grow my grapes, make wine, and continue the party.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 04/28/2016 08:01 AM
So which SpaceX intern will get the job to paint the Dragon red?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 04/28/2016 08:09 AM
So does anybody have some ideas about what the payload will be? I was thinking either some ISRU testbeds or something to search for ore deposits and ice.

Elon

As I finally read through the announcement thread and find this party thread-worthy jewel, I think an even better idea would be to send [insert your most detested politician here] on that capsule, one-upping Jeff Bezos' offer:
Quote from: https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/674008204838199297
Finally trashed by @realDonaldTrump. Will still reserve him a seat on the Blue Origin rocket. #sendDonaldtospace
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ClayJar on 04/28/2016 12:26 PM
As I finally read through the announcement thread and find this party thread-worthy jewel, I think an even better idea would be to send [insert your most detested politician here] on that capsule, one-upping Jeff Bezos' offer:
Quote from: https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/674008204838199297
Finally trashed by @realDonaldTrump. Will still reserve him a seat on the Blue Origin rocket. #sendDonaldtospace
We could load it up with all the best, maybe throw a telephone sanitizer on for good measure, and call it the B Ark.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 04/28/2016 12:37 PM
I think potentially slamming Donald into Mars would violate planetary protection protocols. My god, that's one panspermia event too many for this universe, we'd never live down. What if it found water? What if it started to breed? Are we yet ready to play God? Would Earth be under threat of invasion by a trillion tiny Trumplets?

Perhaps Elon should reconsider that nuclear terraforming plan, just to be sure.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 04/28/2016 12:42 PM
As I finally read through the announcement thread and find this party thread-worthy jewel, I think an even better idea would be to send [insert your most detested politician here] on that capsule, one-upping Jeff Bezos' offer:
Quote from: https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/674008204838199297
Finally trashed by @realDonaldTrump. Will still reserve him a seat on the Blue Origin rocket. #sendDonaldtospace
We could load it up with all the best, maybe throw a telephone sanitizer on for good measure, and call it the B Ark.  ;D
Not even a fleet of BFSs would be enough to launch away all useless people from this planet.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 04/28/2016 12:53 PM
As I finally read through the announcement thread and find this party thread-worthy jewel, I think an even better idea would be to send [insert your most detested politician here] on that capsule, one-upping Jeff Bezos' offer:
Quote from: https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/674008204838199297
Finally trashed by @realDonaldTrump. Will still reserve him a seat on the Blue Origin rocket. #sendDonaldtospace
We could load it up with all the best, maybe throw a telephone sanitizer on for good measure, and call it the B Ark.  ;D
Not even a fleet of BFSs would be enough to launch away all useless people from this planet.

"This is your Captain speaking.  Abandon planet drill will proceed in 15 minutes.  Please report to your assigned life-rocket for system and procedure familiarization.  That is all."
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: launchwatcher on 04/28/2016 06:15 PM
As I finally read through the announcement thread and find this party thread-worthy jewel, I think an even better idea would be to send [insert your most detested politician here] on that capsule, one-upping Jeff Bezos' offer:
Quote from: https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/674008204838199297
Finally trashed by @realDonaldTrump. Will still reserve him a seat on the Blue Origin rocket. #sendDonaldtospace
We could load it up with all the best, maybe throw a telephone sanitizer on for good measure, and call it the B Ark.  ;D
Just remember what happened to Golgafrincham after all their telephone sanitizers left on the B ark..

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Doesitfloat on 04/29/2016 10:57 PM
Well at least we know the reason for all the JCSAT delays.  everyone is watching the 360 drone ship landing.
Over
And
Over
And
Over
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 04/29/2016 11:04 PM
So which SpaceX intern will get the job to paint the Dragon red?

Now there's an idea for a Broadway musical and/or movie:

"Paint Your Dragon"

;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 04/29/2016 11:07 PM
They could have been listening also to this freakin' awesome power metal....


...Because Elon isn't popularised enough apparently, he now has his own tribute band. And it's amazing!

They're even called Raptor Command. Just... yes. As both a power metal and a spaceflight fan, my fanboyism simply can't endure this, please send for an ambulance.

(http://i.imgur.com/MNCpKgH.jpg?1)




Website link:http://raptorcommandmusic.com/elon-champion-for-humanity-single-released/ (http://raptorcommandmusic.com/elon-champion-for-humanity-single-released/)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Zed_Noir on 04/29/2016 11:19 PM
They could have been listening also to this freakin' awesome power metal....


...Because Elon isn't cool enough apparently, he now has his own tribute band. And it's amazing!

They're even called Raptor Command. Just... yes. My fanboyism simply can't endure this, please send for an ambulance.
...

Sounds like Powerslave from Iron Maiden  :)
Just not as loud  ;D

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 04/29/2016 11:20 PM

Sounds like Powerslave from Iron Maiden  :)
Just not as loud  ;D

Just what I was thinking!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 04/30/2016 02:03 AM
I guess I'll know I've truly "arrived" when I have my very own heavy-metal tribute band.  :o
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Robotbeat on 04/30/2016 03:03 AM
Heavy metal tribute band????  ;D
Holy. Crap.

*weirded out*
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 04/30/2016 03:05 AM
Heavy metal tribute band????  ;D
Holy. Crap.

*weirded out*

If you and I are weirded out, imagine how Elon must feel!  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 04/30/2016 07:12 PM
Heavy metal tribute band????  ;D
Holy. Crap.

*weirded out*

If you and I are weirded out, imagine how Elon must feel!  ;D

Can you imagine when the church of Elon starts holding regular sessions?
... Wait this is the church of Elon already!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: S.Paulissen on 04/30/2016 10:35 PM
I believe the descriptor you're all looking for is "Power metal".  It's the approximate sound of a whole subgenre of metal mainly spawned by Iron Maiden's sound. 

I'm not a fan of their vocalist.

If you want to see evidence of a cult I think this one goes a step further...


Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: russianhalo117 on 05/02/2016 06:38 PM
SpaceX YouTube Webcast Links:
- JCSAT-14 Technical Webcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lYZLxr3L4E
Scheduled for May 4, 2016: This is the technical webcast and will only include shots of the pad, rocket and our countdown net audio.
- JCSAT-14 Hosted Webcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0bMeDj76ig
Scheduled for May 4, 2016: This is the full hosted webcast explaining the JCSAT-14 mission, shots of the rocket and some countdown net audio.
Other Links:
- SpaceX Website Broadcast: http://www.spacex.com/webcast
- SpaceX Livestream link is now been created for this launch: http://livestream.com/spacex/jcsat14

Launch and webcast info
SpaceX is targeting launch of JCSAT-14 from Space Launch Complex 40 at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida on May 5 (1:21am ET, 10:21pm PT, 5:21am UTC). SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket will deliver JCSAT-14, a commercial communications satellite for SKY Perfect JSAT Corporation, to a Geostationary Transfer Orbit (GTO). SKY Perfect JSAT is a leading satellite operator in the Asia-Pacific region and provides high-quality satellite communications to its customers using its fleet of 15 satellites. Following stage separation, the first stage of Falcon 9 will attempt an experimental landing on the “Of Course I Still Love You” droneship. Given this mission’s GTO destination, the first-stage will be subject to extreme velocities and re-entry heating, making a successful landing unlikely.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/02/2016 07:42 PM
As a distraction from the serious business of Party thread development..
A new Poll is out (yes a bit more shameless self-promotion) on if you would go to Mars...

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40211.0
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/03/2016 12:18 AM
So is the name of the poll, I want to live like a sardine the rest of my life?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Robotbeat on 05/03/2016 12:55 AM
So is the name of the poll, I want to live like a sardine the rest of my life?
Like a Minnesotan! We invented the indoor shopping mall for a reason. You can't go outside (or you'll literally freeze your face and lungs and die within minutes if not protected), so you build large indoor environments.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: launchwatcher on 05/03/2016 01:05 AM
So is the name of the poll, I want to live like a sardine the rest of my life?
Like a Minnesotan! We invented the indoor shopping mall for a reason. You can't go outside (or you'll literally freeze your face and lungs and die within minutes if not protected), so you build large indoor environments.
Last time I visited, you could get from the airport to downtown via light rail but a short EVA was required to get from the light rail into either the downtown habitrail skyway system or the Mall of America.


Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: wannamoonbase on 05/03/2016 01:35 AM
I'm getting excited for the launch, but this 4 and 5 week window between launches needs to get down to 2 weeks.

It's too hard on me!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Tuts36 on 05/03/2016 02:34 AM
Meanwhile, in the JCSAT-14 - NET May 5, 2016 - UPDATES thread...

https://www.facebook.com/SpaceX
(http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=39843.0,3Battach=1113981,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.wSoI7BBZVe.jpg)



this is now a FULLY ARMED AND OPERATIONAL launch party thread  :E


Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Meltro on 05/03/2016 02:40 AM
So is the name of the poll, I want to live like a sardine the rest of my life?
Like a Minnesotan! We invented the indoor shopping mall for a reason. You can't go outside (or you'll literally freeze your face and lungs and die within minutes if not protected), so you build large indoor environments.
Last time I visited, you could get from the airport to downtown via light rail but a short EVA was required to get from the light rail into either the downtown habitrail skyway system or the Mall of America.

This is still the case, but as you mentioned, it's short. The stations usually have some active thermal systems to help and the schedule is good enough where you can keep your consumables margins down.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: king1999 on 05/03/2016 02:45 AM
Meanwhile, in the JCSAT-14 - NET May 5, 2016 - UPDATES thread...

https://www.facebook.com/SpaceX
(http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=39843.0,3Battach=1113981,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.wSoI7BBZVe.jpg)



this is now a FULLY ARMED AND OPERATIONAL launch party thread  :E

It is more like a DARTH VADER RIDING A FALCON 9 party thread :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Tuts36 on 05/03/2016 02:49 AM
Yeah, but ever since this thread got its name I keep misreading it as "the fully armed & operational" thread for some reason.  Vader's riding shotgun to make sure SpaceX stays on schedule... perhaps HE can find new ways to motivate them  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: tleski on 05/03/2016 03:03 AM
I find your lack of faith in SpaceX disturbing.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: AndyX on 05/03/2016 03:17 AM
Someone needs to do a Darth photoshop!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/03/2016 04:23 AM

Can you imagine when the church of Elon starts holding regular sessions?
... Wait this is the church of Elon already!

Is this like a monarchy-based, church-of-England style church? Because Elon already has the title of Elon according to a certain author.

Oh Chris of clan Bergin, bequeath us your divine secrets of MCTs and Magicks most holy.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 05/03/2016 12:30 PM

Can you imagine when the church of Elon starts holding regular sessions?
... Wait this is the church of Elon already!

Is this like a monarchy-based, church-of-England style church? Because Elon already has the title of Elon according to a certain author.

Oh Chris of clan Bergin, bequeath us your divine secrets of MCTs and Magicks most holy.

Sir Elon of Musk if he gives the Queen a free Tesla.

Anyway, where's that Darth Vader/JCSAT-14 image? ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 05/03/2016 01:54 PM

Can you imagine when the church of Elon starts holding regular sessions?
... Wait this is the church of Elon already!

Is this like a monarchy-based, church-of-England style church? Because Elon already has the title of Elon according to a certain author.

Oh Chris of clan Bergin, bequeath us your divine secrets of MCTs and Magicks most holy.

Sir Elon of Musk if he gives the Queen a free Tesla.

Anyway, where's that Darth Vader/JCSAT-14 image? ;D

Since Elon has become an American citizen, he is no longer able to be knighted.  He can only get an honorary knighthood.  Ergo, can't use "Sir" styling.  "Elon of Musk, KBE" on his stationary would be okay though.

Sort of a raw deal.  Get the all clear for ITAR but lose out on being Sir Elon. (yes, I know permanent residency is the real requirement, not citizenship)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/03/2016 02:33 PM
Since Elon has become an American citizen, he is no longer able to be knighted.  He can only get an honorary knighthood.  Ergo, can't use "Sir" styling.  "Elon of Musk, KBE" on his stationary would be okay though.
Not dual citizenship? He renounced his South African Citizenship?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: meberbs on 05/03/2016 02:55 PM
Since Elon has become an American citizen, he is no longer able to be knighted.  He can only get an honorary knighthood.  Ergo, can't use "Sir" styling.  "Elon of Musk, KBE" on his stationary would be okay though.
Not dual citizenship? He renounced his South African Citizenship?

He probably got a security clearance, related to DoD payloads, so he would have had to turn in foreign passports or destroy them. Technically, if he turned in his passport he could get it back upon termination of his security clearance.

I think the real question is when he will become a dual U.S. - Martian citizen.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 05/03/2016 03:04 PM
Since Elon has become an American citizen, he is no longer able to be knighted.  He can only get an honorary knighthood.  Ergo, can't use "Sir" styling.  "Elon of Musk, KBE" on his stationary would be okay though.
Not dual citizenship? He renounced his South African Citizenship?

Part of the Naturalization (i.e. Citizenship) Oath (https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/naturalization-test/naturalization-oath-allegiance-united-states-america) is "...renouncing and abjuring all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;..."

He can still be a dual (triple? Canada?) citizen, meaning that he enjoys certain rights of citizenship in SA.  The US doesn't require renouncing most rights.  But, even if he didn't technically renounce his SA citizenship, he renounced "allegiance and fidelity" to the Queen.  IANAL, but, in my opinion, that should disqualify him as a subject who recognizes the Queen as his monarch.  So, while the shorthand for who is capable of being knighted is someone who's a citizen of a Commonwealth country, if they've renounced their allegiance and fidelity to the monarch I don't think they would still qualify.

Wow, this is definitely more than I expected to write on this topic.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/03/2016 03:05 PM
...

Anyway, where's that Darth Vader/JCSAT-14 image? ;D

I find your lack of patience... disturbing!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 05/03/2016 03:18 PM
Since Elon has become an American citizen, he is no longer able to be knighted.  He can only get an honorary knighthood.  Ergo, can't use "Sir" styling.  "Elon of Musk, KBE" on his stationary would be okay though.
Not dual citizenship? He renounced his South African Citizenship?

He probably got a security clearance, related to DoD payloads, so he would have had to turn in foreign passports or destroy them. Technically, if he turned in his passport he could get it back upon termination of his security clearance.

I think the real question is when he will become a dual U.S. - Martian citizen.

Elon Musk for Martian President
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: starhawk92 on 05/03/2016 04:55 PM
I really thought that Elon would be standing on Mars (and be Martian President) before Leicester City F.C. won the Premiere League.

Hey, Darth, how about a congrats on the patience for LC fans???

Who wants to start the first Martian Embassy with me?  Where should we build it?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/03/2016 05:10 PM
...
Who wants to start the first Martian Embassy with me?  Where should we build it?

Minneapolis, MN where Mars, Inc was HQ originally (sort of). 
or... DUH Washington DC where their principle offices were moved in 1959.

Maybe we can rent 'space' from them for the embassy (kind of ironic, no?).
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/03/2016 05:25 PM
Elon Musk for Martian President
Elon Musk for Martian President Supreme Grand Speaker Tweeter of Mars!

Tweet One!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: starhawk92 on 05/03/2016 06:57 PM
...
Who wants to start the first Martian Embassy with me?  Where should we build it?

Minneapolis, MN where Mars, Inc was HQ originally (sort of). 
or... DUH Washington DC where their principle offices were moved in 1959.

Maybe we can rent 'space' from them for the embassy (kind of ironic, no?).

Oh, THAT Mars!  Got me!  Although I am not sure there is a better first export from Earth to Mars than M&Ms -- cold M&Ms are awesome.  We could negotiate that as the first trade agreement.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Tuts36 on 05/03/2016 07:00 PM
...
Who wants to start the first Martian Embassy with me?  Where should we build it?

Minneapolis, MN where Mars, Inc was HQ originally (sort of). 
or... DUH Washington DC where their principle offices were moved in 1959.

Maybe we can rent 'space' from them for the embassy (kind of ironic, no?).

Oh, THAT Mars!  Got me!  Although I am not sure there is a better first export from Earth to Mars than M&Ms -- cold M&Ms are awesome.  We could negotiate that as the first trade agreement.

With Martian Blueberries on the backhaul.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: 3Davideo on 05/03/2016 07:49 PM
Since Elon has become an American citizen, he is no longer able to be knighted.  He can only get an honorary knighthood.  Ergo, can't use "Sir" styling.  "Elon of Musk, KBE" on his stationary would be okay though.

Sort of a raw deal.  Get the all clear for ITAR but lose out on being Sir Elon. (yes, I know permanent residency is the real requirement, not citizenship)

I don't think anything about Elon Musk is stationary, particularly any rockets during launch. 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: scienceguy on 05/03/2016 11:46 PM
yaay! Go SpaceX!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Zed_Noir on 05/04/2016 02:46 AM
Elon Musk for Martian President
Elon Musk for Martian President Supreme Grand Speaker Tweeter of Mars!

Tweet One!

Nah.

Musk will take the title of Warlord of Barsoom.

As I have posted previously.


Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Retired Downrange on 05/04/2016 04:25 PM
ASDS landing Bingo past results (please check for errors or omissions)

ASDS bingo

2015
April
CRS 6
1st prize  E-28 picked by NSF user tinorex
2nd prize L-28 picked by NSF user measdows.st

2016
January
Jason-3    square H-20 picked by NSF user ScottMC

March
SES 9 hole spanning squares R-34 and R-35, which were unpicked

April
CRS 8      square H-23  picked by NSF user Blah

(I was going to post this in the current Bingo thread, but realized the scraper would see all these as current guesses)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 05/04/2016 05:15 PM
A SpaceX is going to Mars song: Oh, Red Planet! (Lyrics by deruch; Music by Phantom Planet)

Lyrics:
We'd been having fun
Soaking up the sun
Then the Reds were #1
Low Earth Orbit, here we come
Not near where we started from

Apollo flexed their guns
They lifted lots of tons
Great leaps for all mankind: 1
Lovely Luna, here we come
Not near where we started from

Lovely Luna! (Lovely Luna!)
Where we walked!

Elon says to go
Working on the flow
SpaceX isn't stopping now
Falcon boosters were so fun
And it's where they started from
Now, 12 years down the line
Then Hohman transfer time
Reuse gotta drop the cost
Oh Red Planet, here we come
Not near where we started from

Oh Red Planet! (Oh Red Planet!)
Here we come!

Marineris
Marineris
Here we come! Ooooooh

From the Blue One
To the Red One
Here we come

Oh Red Planet!
Oh Red Planet!
Here we come!

Marineris!
Marineris!
Here we come!

Oh Red Planet!
Oh Red Planet!
Where we'll live!

Substituted lyrics set to the music of California by Phantom Planet: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asiyu-wnYOo
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: HankinNM on 05/04/2016 07:58 PM
Quote from: starhawk92 link=topic=40089.msg1527901#msg1527901 date=146229452

With Martian Blueberries on the backhaul.
[/quote
I wonder if those 'Martian Blueberries' can be put through a fermentation process? Martian Blueberry Wine, anyone?? ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/04/2016 08:23 PM
Or Blueberry pickles... Plenty of salts on Mars to lacto-ferment them.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/04/2016 09:33 PM
Or Blueberry pickles... Plenty of salts on Mars to lacto-ferment them.

That is if we can get the pickle trees to grow  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/05/2016 12:26 AM
That is if we can get the pickle trees to grow  ;D
The beauty of lacto-fermentation is it occurs in a Mars like atmosphere (CO2 rich, O2 reduced) with a fairly primitive bacteria (Lactobacillus). More primitive than yeast and maybe even cyanobacteria (theorized in the Allen's Hill Meteor).

So Mars is the perfect place for Pickles, Kim-chi, Sour Kraut, Relish, yogurt, cheese, all the ingredients you need to host a party! (except the yogurt, who serves yogurt at a party? Some healthy whole earther? They would stick to Earth hugging a tree anyways and we won't find them on the Mars party thread!)

With Mar's atmosphere, you will even be able to skip the airlock to create all your party treats! Bonus!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 05/05/2016 12:50 AM
That is if we can get the pickle trees to grow  ;D
The beauty of lacto-fermentation is it occurs in a Mars like atmosphere (CO2 rich, O2 reduced) with a fairly primitive bacteria (Lactobacillus). More primitive than yeast and maybe even cyanobacteria (theorized in the Allen's Hill Meteor).

So Mars is the perfect place for Pickles, Kim-chi, Sour Kraut, Relish, yogurt, cheese, all the ingredients you need to host a party! (except the yogurt, who serves yogurt at a party? Some healthy whole earther? They would stick to Earth hugging a tree anyways and we won't find them on the Mars party thread!)

With Mar's atmosphere, you will even be able to skip the airlock to create all your party treats! Bonus!

In every recipe for yogurt that I've ever seen, one of the 2 required ingredients was yogurt.  Duh, if I had any yogurt in the first place, I wouldn't be trying to make it.  Now that the Chicken-and-Egg paradox has been conclusively solved (the Egg was first), the big question facing philosophers is what came first?  The Yogurt or the Yogurt?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/05/2016 01:27 AM
In every recipe for yogurt that I've ever seen, one of the 2 required ingredients was yogurt.  Duh, if I had any yogurt in the first place, I wouldn't be trying to make it.  Now that the Chicken-and-Egg paradox has been conclusively solved (the Egg was first), the big question facing philosophers is what came first?  The Yogurt or the Yogurt?

Actually, all you need is milk and the proper bacteria.
 
Pre-Industial age this was done by placing a bit of small intestine or stomach from you favorite animal (or least favorite co-worker) into the milk.

In this civilized age we can buy freeze dried bacteria in little pouches. Be it Lactococcus lactis, Leuconostoc mesenteroides,L. casei, B. longum, L bulgaricus, or S. thermophilus.

Just adding left over yogurt from the last batch is just cheaper than buying the little packets. My Filmjolk yogurt culture has been going strong for about eight months.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dgates on 05/05/2016 01:50 AM
So is the name of the poll, I want to live like a sardine the rest of my life?
Like a Minnesotan! We invented the indoor shopping mall for a reason. You can't go outside (or you'll literally freeze your face and lungs and die within minutes if not protected), so you build large indoor environments.

The Mideast is similar in this respect, mega malls in big cities like Dubai exist because one will melt in the summer heat.  Literally.  Mars related in that in the short term at least the daily lifestyle will be an "indoors" one similar to mall life.  Going outdoors will require specialized clothing and equipment.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CuddlyRocket on 05/05/2016 01:54 AM
Since Elon has become an American citizen, he is no longer able to be knighted.  He can only get an honorary knighthood.  Ergo, can't use "Sir" styling.  "Elon of Musk, KBE" on his stationary would be okay though.
Not dual citizenship? He renounced his South African Citizenship?

Part of the Naturalization (i.e. Citizenship) Oath (https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/naturalization-test/naturalization-oath-allegiance-united-states-america) is "...renouncing and abjuring all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;..."

He can still be a dual (triple? Canada?) citizen, meaning that he enjoys certain rights of citizenship in SA.  The US doesn't require renouncing most rights.  But, even if he didn't technically renounce his SA citizenship, he renounced "allegiance and fidelity" to the Queen.  IANAL, but, in my opinion, that should disqualify him as a subject who recognizes the Queen as his monarch.  So, while the shorthand for who is capable of being knighted is someone who's a citizen of a Commonwealth country, if they've renounced their allegiance and fidelity to the monarch I don't think they would still qualify.

Under South African law, unless he applied to retain his South African citizenship he will have lost it on applying to become a US citizen. But if he kept his South African citizenship he can therefore be granted a full knighthood etc. South Africa is a republic anyway so its citizens don't recognise Queen Elizabeth as their monarch in any event, so that's not a bar.

There are British citizens who've become naturalised US citizens and then subsequently been awarded a British knighthood - Dame Angela Lansbury is a good example. The UK has no problem with dual citizenship and it's British law that counts for the awarding of British knighthoods!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: starhawk92 on 05/05/2016 03:27 AM
In every recipe for yogurt that I've ever seen, one of the 2 required ingredients was yogurt.  Duh, if I had any yogurt in the first place, I wouldn't be trying to make it.  Now that the Chicken-and-Egg paradox has been conclusively solved (the Egg was first), the big question facing philosophers is what came first?  The Yogurt or the Yogurt?

CLEARLY it was the Yogurt
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 05/05/2016 02:30 PM
Or Blueberry pickles... Plenty of salts on Mars to lacto-ferment them.

That is if we can get the pickle trees to grow  ;D

I think it's very important to find out whether or not spaghetti trees can grow on Mars.  If not, well... you would have an entire planet where Prince Spaghetti Day might only come once a decade...  ???
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 05/05/2016 02:35 PM
So is the name of the poll, I want to live like a sardine the rest of my life?
Like a Minnesotan! We invented the indoor shopping mall for a reason. You can't go outside (or you'll literally freeze your face and lungs and die within minutes if not protected), so you build large indoor environments.

The Mideast is similar in this respect, mega malls in big cities like Dubai exist because one will melt in the summer heat.  Literally.  Mars related in that in the short term at least the daily lifestyle will be an "indoors" one similar to mall life.  Going outdoors will require specialized clothing and equipment.

Puts me in mind of Lois McMaster Bujold's Beta Colony.  They don't so much have architecture as they have interior decoration... ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/05/2016 02:36 PM
CLEARLY it was the Yogurt
First Elon made SpaceX and saw it launch
Then Elon made a frozen yogurt and the employees saw it as good!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Craftyatom on 05/05/2016 03:43 PM
Actually, all you need is milk and the proper bacteria.

Okay, bacteria, easy peasy.  But cows are heavy, and require lots of life support, and don't like zero-g...  Best we could do is probably put them in a medically-induced coma for 200 or so days, and then somebody has to deal with a bovine colostomy bag.  Carrying milk to Mars isn't much of an option, since it's essentially water that has a shelf life. (even sterilized, it tends to stratify... then again, in zero-g, maybe not?)

So, with cows and their milk out of the question for now, and goats being the greater of two evils, we are left with only one solution: human milk.

Mars may be an even more interesting place than we thought.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: John Alan on 05/05/2016 05:05 PM
You may have heard of powdered milk...  ???
Just saying...  ;)

On edit... invented in 1802...  :o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powdered_milk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powdered_milk)
 :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Archibald on 05/05/2016 05:12 PM
Quote
Not dual citizenship? He renounced his South African Citizenship?

Musk was nearly bullied to death in South Africa during his youth... and his family was not south african nor really related to that country.
So I think he doesn't really care about South Africa in any way.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/05/2016 06:06 PM
Sat at the launch site!

http://www.orbitalatk.com/news-room/release.asp?prid=142

Am I the only one that looked at this and said Princess Leah?
 
...or maybe we are just getting a collection of StarWars themes here since yesterday was 5/4 (May the 4th be with you)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/05/2016 06:32 PM
Am I the only one that looked at this and said Princess Leah?
Princess Vespa!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: shm6666 on 05/05/2016 06:36 PM
Am I the only one that looked at this and said Princess Leah?
Princess Vespa!

Where is the super effective hair dryer???
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: starhawk92 on 05/05/2016 06:44 PM
Actually, all you need is milk and the proper bacteria.

Okay, bacteria, easy peasy.  But cows are heavy, and require lots of life support, and don't like zero-g...  Best we could do is probably put them in a medically-induced coma for 200 or so days, and then somebody has to deal with a bovine colostomy bag.  Carrying milk to Mars isn't much of an option, since it's essentially water that has a shelf life. (even sterilized, it tends to stratify... then again, in zero-g, maybe not?)

So, with cows and their milk out of the question for now, and goats being the greater of two evils, we are left with only one solution: human milk.

Mars may be an even more interesting place than we thought.

Animal transport is an interesting problem.  Would it be worth it to get a female of a couple species (cow? pig? chicken?) and then clone instead of bringing more.  You would certainly have to grow crops first for food (which would then be competing with settlers), but then the waste could be consumed by the bovine and turned into useful fertilizer for the ground (plus some methane).

Definitely Falcon Heavy type work.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 05/05/2016 06:51 PM
OK, repeat after me

"We need another rocket in the barn"
"We need another rocket in the barn"
"We need another rocket in the barn"

If everyone chants this for about 10 minutes around 1:25 AM we should be home free, and OCISLY will catch another stage.

(prompted by someone on another thread saying that SpaceX will soon have so many surplus rockets that they will start flinging stuff at Mars just to get rid of them)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Kansan52 on 05/05/2016 07:04 PM
Two things come to mind.

One cow, freezer full of embryos, enough to ensure genetic diversity.

Aquaponics. Someone just started one here. It's hydroponic and fish tanks (plus the correct equipment). The plants grow in hydroponic tanks, the tank water is clear enough for the fish tanks. The fish tank water goes to a biotank to convert waste to fertilizer which feeds the plants. Food and meat.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Joffan on 05/05/2016 07:26 PM
OK, repeat after me

"We need another rocket in the barn"
"We need another rocket in the barn"
"We need another rocket in the barn"

If everyone chants this for about 10 minutes around 1:25 AM we should be home free, and OCISLY will catch another stage.

... to the tune of "There's a tavern in the town".

We need a rocket in the barn (in the barn)
Another rocket in the barn (in the barn)
To prep it for another flight to space
And keep the dreams of Mars on pace
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/05/2016 07:53 PM
Am I the only one that looked at this and said Princess Leah?
Princess Vespa!
Where is the super effective hair dryer???
It's called a Falcon 9... Now if you want a super super effective hair dryer you will have to wait for the Falcon Heavy!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Orenda on 05/05/2016 08:01 PM
Does anyone know if SpaceX deleted their Live Stream account?  All the links that I have are returning a 404 error.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 05/05/2016 08:31 PM
Well I've tried sleep shifting this week to be bright eyed and bushy tailed by 5am in the morning my time (an hour and a bit ahead of launch). Aim was to be sleepy by 10pm my time and do a good seven hour sleep.

Needless to say, it's not going to work out ;D

Stupid launch window ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 05/05/2016 08:32 PM
Does anyone know if SpaceX deleted their Live Stream account?  All the links that I have are returning a 404 error.

Just looked at the links on the live update thread and it's working for me.

If that's what you mean....I may be getting youtube and livestream confused. Anyway, the below is youtube.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kona314 on 05/05/2016 09:03 PM
/u/Bencredible on Reddit, who is known to run the webcasts, said recently that he's making some major backend changes.

Could be that they're ditching Livestream in favor of going full YouTube, which would make sense.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 05/05/2016 09:19 PM
Ahem, this is the party thread, that sounds like a serious update ... SO off topic!

But why would he be tinkering on launch day? We need to get Bencredible over here too :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: wannamoonbase on 05/05/2016 09:22 PM
Excited to be on launch day.  Fingers crossed they can light the candle and send it aloft
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: AndyX on 05/05/2016 09:22 PM
Ahem, this is the party thread, that sounds like a serious update ... SO off topic!

But why would he be tinkering on launch day? We need to get Bencredible over here too :)

He's been a member here for about eight years.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/05/2016 09:27 PM
OK, repeat after me

"We need another rocket in the barn"
"We need another rocket in the barn"
"We need another rocket in the barn"

If everyone chants this for about 10 minutes around 1:25 AM we should be home free, and OCISLY will catch another stage.

(prompted by someone on another thread saying that SpaceX will soon have so many surplus rockets that they will start flinging stuff at Mars just to get rid of them)

You fools, why are you blinded so?!

Clearly, the reasoning behind BFR is so they can fling the actual stages at Mars once they start to surplus out on F9 and FH cores/boosters. When the BFR stages start to stack, they'll resort to a larger BFR. Slowly but surely the entire mass of the Earth will be converted into rocket stages, only to be cast into Mars in a desperate endeavour to move all life on Earth to the Red Planet.

We must stop this shenaniganry before it's too late.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Orenda on 05/05/2016 09:45 PM
Chris,

This is what I see when I use the link from the LiveStream digest email that I received earlier this week.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: DatUser14 on 05/05/2016 09:57 PM
on r/spacex the person in charge of the webcasts said they were moving to YT for streams. look at SpaceX's YT channel.

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Orenda on 05/05/2016 10:22 PM
Thanks to those who replied.  I will use the YouTube links. :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 05/05/2016 10:29 PM
This is the first launch that I'm going to miss because of some hospital tests tomorrow. :( Good luck to all the teams at SpaceX to all our excellent NSF members during event coverage... Go SpaceX! Go NSF! :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/05/2016 10:33 PM
This is the first launch that I'm going to miss because of some hospital tests tomorrow. :( Good luck to all the teams at SpaceX to all our excellent NSF members during event coverage... Go SpaceX! Go NSF! :)

Good luck with the tests, Rocket Science.  :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 05/05/2016 11:14 PM
This is the first launch that I'm going to miss because of some hospital tests tomorrow. :( Good luck to all the teams at SpaceX to all our excellent NSF members during event coverage... Go SpaceX! Go NSF! :)

Good luck with the tests, Rocket Science.  :)
Thank you! :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/06/2016 12:18 AM
Clearly, the reasoning behind BFR is so they can fling the actual stages at Mars once they start to surplus out on F9 and FH cores/boosters. When the BFR stages start to stack, they'll resort to a larger BFR. Slowly but surely the entire mass of the Earth will be converted into rocket stages, only to be cast into Mars in a desperate endeavour to move all life on Earth to the Red Planet.

We must stop this shenaniganry before it's too late.

But there is less room on Mars. We are better off frying on to Venus! Global warming, already have it! With enough technology, we could even get frozen yogurt to exist on the surface!

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/surface_area_large.png)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Retired Downrange on 05/06/2016 04:18 AM
I know it's a party... But I hope there is some coffee around here. 😎
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 05/06/2016 04:27 AM
One cow, freezer full of embryos, enough to ensure genetic diversity.

Clearly Noah was a luddite.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 05/06/2016 04:28 AM
Morning campers. I'm going to sleep like a log tonight ;D

Oh and good luck with the tests RS.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: John.bender on 05/06/2016 04:46 AM
Nice being on the west coast for this one. We get punished here for late launches more often than not. 10:21 pm is nice.



Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ronpur50 on 05/06/2016 05:11 AM
Wow, this party is going to suck.  I can get maybe 2 to 3 seconds of stream before it pauses!!!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 05/06/2016 05:15 AM
Well, this launch window might normally be a PITA for me while on my regular work schedule, 'tis true.

But I quite cunningly arranged for my ilium (where the stomach empties into the small intestine) to completely close up a week ago, forcing a life-threatening situation and an emergency surgery.  (If it hadn't been life-threatening, they wouldn't have done the emergency surgery, right?)

So I am completely without any requirement to get up for work in the morning, as I otherwise would have been on a Friday morning.  And guys, it's so simple to do!

Just get an iliostomy and convince your surgeon to put your ilium back together with a kink in it.  You have to time this really, really carefully, though, to ensure that the ilium will complete its closure and begin to kill you exactly a week before the launch you fear may slip, and want to make certain you're not bothered by getting up for that pesky job.  You want to time it for a week prior to the launch, since you will likely be in hospital for five or six days after the surgery.  This whole process can take approximately two years, so make sure you start planning this well in advance!

And, of course, you have the up side of choosing to either watch the launch high on pain meds, or with the extra-special kick of skipping the meds and watching while holding tightly on to your belly, making sure the foot-long jagged incision doesn't come apart, as you cheer on your favorite launch service provider.  I preferred to use the pain meds approach, but this does sort of rule out enjoying your favorite alcoholic beverages while doing your launch viewing, since oxycodone and booze don't mix terribly well (at least not if you're keen on maintaining consciousness).

For more tips on how to get a month off of work to ensure you can watch your launches unencumbered by your work schedule, write "How to Get your Ilium Mutilated for Fun and Profit," PO Box 12^7th, Pueblo, CO.

:D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Meltro on 05/06/2016 05:30 AM
Snap son! 2 in a row!

Looks like I didn't win at bingo, very close to dead center.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mr_magoo on 05/06/2016 05:31 AM
Ha.  Look at that.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: wannamoonbase on 05/06/2016 05:31 AM
Hell Dam Fart Yes, 3rd Successful landing!!!

USA USA USA!!!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: NannerAirCraft on 05/06/2016 05:31 AM
Peace of cake.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: abaddon on 05/06/2016 05:31 AM
Well I'll be...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Saabstory88 on 05/06/2016 05:32 AM
And then there were three!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris_Pi on 05/06/2016 05:33 AM
The marker lights on the landing legs are a nice touch.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ronpur50 on 05/06/2016 05:33 AM
Magnificent!!!  But bed time, Good nite!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: foltster on 05/06/2016 05:34 AM
How am I going to sleep after that?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sanman on 05/06/2016 05:34 AM
Wow, barge camera view at night looks pretty damn cool.

You can still see the vestiges of the rocket flame still flickering, etc.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Tuts36 on 05/06/2016 05:35 AM
Another landing, ho hum... not bad I suppose...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: macpacheco on 05/06/2016 05:35 AM
Bulleye ! Yeah Baby ! Are landings becoming ... BORING ? ? ? ? NO WAY JOSE !
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sanman on 05/06/2016 05:35 AM
The marker lights on the landing legs are a nice touch.

Heh, yeah - makes it look more vehicular  8)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: leovinus on 05/06/2016 05:36 AM
Fantastic! Though for a moment I thought "oh no" when the landing burn started and the camera showed a remote fireball. And then the thing just stands there on OCISLY - wow! Need a drink. Still evening here in California  :) :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 05/06/2016 05:36 AM
From the long view, I sure thought we had some kabloomy goodness happening.  Then we get the shot of her standing on deck, dead center.

I guess the engines light up the exhaust cloud a lot at night.  And it sorta looked like a 3-engine burn to me.

So -- once again, the Anti-ASDS Missile System failed!  For the second time in a row!  This should have a profound effect on SpaceX's future planning... ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: longboard1210 on 05/06/2016 05:37 AM
That looks really centred awesome job 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ey on 05/06/2016 05:37 AM
Wow, that was super ninja, especially with the camera getting overexposed and then black and then .... wham, there's the first stage.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Nomadd on 05/06/2016 05:38 AM
 They obviously aren't pushing it hard enough. They need to come in at around 2,000kph and hit all 9 engines at the last moment.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris_Pi on 05/06/2016 05:38 AM
Looked a whole lot like SES-9 fireball or lit up smoke? Was wondering again...

Looked like a short landing burn. 3 engine? Anyone know?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Meltro on 05/06/2016 05:41 AM
Is 0020 still at 39A? At this rate, they're going to have to start stacking the cores up like firewood. Or build a bigger hangar. First world problems, eh?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CorvusCorax on 05/06/2016 05:41 AM
According to the firefighting equipment spray there was quite a bit of wind once again - yet the stage landed dead center. That landing control algorithm is awesome!

 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Elvis in Space on 05/06/2016 05:43 AM
I've got one broadcast on my iPhone w headphones, one on my big TV and I'm following ya'll on my laptop. Need more ears and eyes. Especially if they keep on getting this landing stuff right. Still got my fingers crossed on second burn and deployment. Too cool.  8)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 05/06/2016 05:44 AM
I think someone calculated out that a 3-engine landing burn would last about three and a half to five seconds, while a 1-engine landing burn, as we've seen, lasts what, 20 seconds or more?

This looked like about a five-second landing burn, from call-out of landing burn (and switch to feed from the scene) to landing.  Had to have been a 3-engine burn.

And again, even with three engines to steer and an ultra-short landing burn, the Anti-ASDS Missile System somehow failed.  Shoddy work in there somewhere... :D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: .gif on 05/06/2016 05:45 AM
That was really cool.  I wish the camera hadn't frozen at the last second.  Also want to see the camera footage from afar to see how fast the booster was coming in, though might have been too dark to tell.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Orenda on 05/06/2016 05:46 AM
Meltro I think Elon agrees with you.

Quote
@ Elon Musk: May need to increase size of rocket storage hangar

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/728459808270000128
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Saabstory88 on 05/06/2016 05:48 AM
I've got one broadcast on my iPhone w headphones, one on my big TV and I'm following ya'll on my laptop. Need more ears and eyes. Especially if they keep on getting this landing stuff right. Still got my fingers crossed on second burn and deployment. Too cool.  8)

Already working on it...

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Meltro on 05/06/2016 05:51 AM
Did that graphic just show "2.3 ZILLION KM"?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: floron on 05/06/2016 05:52 AM
Did that graphic just show "2.3 ZILLION KM"?

that is an impressive amount of kilometers.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: .gif on 05/06/2016 05:56 AM
Did that graphic just show "2.3 ZILLION KM"?
That's a rough estimate.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sanman on 05/06/2016 06:00 AM
YMMV
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sciencebro on 05/06/2016 06:02 AM
Did that graphic just show "2.3 ZILLION KM"?
That's a rough estimate.

Lmao.

Truly incredible to see. Huge congrats to the entire SpaceX team for doing the impossible again and again and again. SpaceX needs to get on with their satellite constellation now that they are getting a stockpile of first stages.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: IanO on 05/06/2016 06:09 AM
My choice of Ballast Point's Victory at Sea beer was fortuitous tonight! Well done, SpaceX!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: WindnWar on 05/06/2016 06:16 AM
I've got one broadcast on my iPhone w headphones, one on my big TV and I'm following ya'll on my laptop. Need more ears and eyes. Especially if they keep on getting this landing stuff right. Still got my fingers crossed on second burn and deployment. Too cool.  8)

Already working on it...

Blackmagic just came out with a quad split that can do ultra hd and a 16 by multiviewer too. Should make for even more views in your rack.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 05/06/2016 06:21 AM
Did that graphic just show "2.3 ZILLION KM"?

Heh! Alan Parry ‏@ampontour
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rubtest on 05/06/2016 06:22 AM
What do you think which types of Halls will SpaceX be looking for to store all these coming first stages ?
shipyard halls , old hangers in Area 51 ?? any suggestions ?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CorvusCorax on 05/06/2016 06:24 AM
how many zillions is a gazillion? ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 05/06/2016 06:24 AM
You can just send me my bingo prize now, Helodriver... I want that luggage tag in the shape of OCISLY that The Roadie was sporting over on FB...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sanman on 05/06/2016 06:25 AM
how many zillions is a gazillion? ;)

I think a gazillion is like a thousand bazillions
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/06/2016 06:25 AM
Did that graphic just show "2.3 ZILLION KM"?

They're not taking us seriously enough! I shall pen a complaint.   ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Retired Downrange on 05/06/2016 06:35 AM
http://gregology.net/reference/gazillion/ 😎
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Zed_Noir on 05/06/2016 06:39 AM
What do you think which types of Halls will SpaceX be looking for to store all these coming first stages ?
shipyard halls , old hangers in Area 51 ?? any suggestions ?

My suggestion is to convert part of the pad LC-39A crawl way into hangars. At least for the SpaceX Florida operations. Don't know what SpaceX will do for Boca Chica & VAFB.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Retired Downrange on 05/06/2016 06:57 AM
Did that graphic just show "2.3 ZILLION KM"?

Heh! Alan Parry ‏@ampontour

For Americans...
That is 1.42915 zillion miles 😎
(Statute miles, that is)😀
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CorvusCorax on 05/06/2016 07:07 AM
or 0.414 zillion laegues

(nautical leagues that is - interestingly its almost exactly 1 zillion roman leagues)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: jgoldader on 05/06/2016 09:55 AM
Had to sleep through this one, woke up to very good news.  Congrats SpaceX!  They should start selling "SpaceX Fanboy" and "Fangirl" shirts.  Looking ahead to a triple-screen event later this year, but still lots to do before then.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CorvusCorax on 05/06/2016 10:33 AM
triple screen? don't you forget something? I get to a requirement of at lest 6 screens:

1. side boosters
2. center boosters
3. 2nd stage and payload
4. commantator/ alternate view angles
5. nasaspaceflight forum/update thread
6. elon's twitter updates
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 05/06/2016 12:29 PM
I was supposed to be sleeping as not affect the results of hospital neuro-tests, but pain woke me up in time to see the launch and landing, ha! 8) Off to get wired-up up, poked and prodded... Port Canaveral Cam undergoing gimbal checks... ;D That's all for now RS over and out for now... :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: billh on 05/06/2016 12:59 PM
You know, from this angle it looks kind of like Borg Cube 1.0.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sghill on 05/06/2016 01:55 PM
Come on down to Insane Elon's insane end of the year booster blow out!

We've got boosters piling up on our lot, and they've got to go!!! We're going to pass the savings on to YOU!

Don't walk! Don't run! Don't fly! Shoot yourself out of a cannon to get down here and scoop up one of these pre-owned, pre-flown bad boys at ROCK BOTTOM PRICES!!!!

With prices this low, you'll be telling yourself, "Insane Elon must be INSAAAAANE!!!!!"
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: e of pi on 05/06/2016 02:18 PM
Had to sleep through this one, woke up to very good news.  Congrats SpaceX!  They should start selling "SpaceX Fanboy" and "Fangirl" shirts.  Looking ahead to a triple-screen event later this year, but still lots to do before then.
Indeed, I had to miss this one too--first F9 launch webcast I've missed, which is a bit of a pity to break, but I had work this morning...still, very pleased it worked out surprisingly well in spite of my absence!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JasonAW3 on 05/06/2016 02:26 PM
how many zillions is a gazillion? ;)

A ga-bunch?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JasonAW3 on 05/06/2016 02:31 PM
Wow, that was super ninja, especially with the camera getting overexposed and then black and then .... wham, there's the first stage.

They're going to HAVE to work on some sort of autofilter mechanism to catch the whole landing.

     Some whackjob's likely to say that they faked the whole landing, simply overexposing the image and then switching the image to another barge with a rocket already standing on it!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sanman on 05/06/2016 02:34 PM
Well, maybe they could give away boosters to various museums...

Then after they run out of museums, they could give them away to parks...

Then after they run out of parks, they could...

... make weird junk art sculptures...

(http://i.imgur.com/JlRUQ.jpg)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: John Alan on 05/06/2016 03:05 PM
You all realize they all will not get reflown...  ???
I suspect some will be recycled for scrap value...

The one that just landed is likely to be totally parted out to learn everything they can about it...
They burned da chit out of it and it did not crash... goldmine of info to be had as parts in a lab...

Just saying...  ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CorvusCorax on 05/06/2016 03:10 PM
Now that was a hover slam!   View from the OSCILY at 8:38 into the flight and the deck is clear and when the smoke clears at at 8:41 the stage is just standing there rock solid.   

Arthur C. Clark was right when he said, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Congrats, SpaceX!

Now that gives me an idea - one could integrate some used F9 boosters into a Copperfield style Las Vegas show!

Granted, it would have to be open air. But that makes it only more awesome - guaranteed to be without net or double floor ;)

That would be one cool - and likely the only - way to top that railroad waggon ;)

(I just don't wanna do the FAA paperwork to land a booster on a stage in the middle of a crowd ;) )
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: AncientU on 05/06/2016 03:16 PM
You all realize they all will not get reflown...  ???
I suspect some will be recycled for scrap value...

The one that just landed is likely to be totally parted out to learn everything they can about it...
They burned da chit out of it and it did not crash... goldmine of info to be had as parts in a lab...

Just saying...  ;)

Maybe they can discard the rest by dumping them in the Atlantic. 
Hear that's a popular practice.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sanman on 05/06/2016 03:27 PM
Seriously, though - you know how engineering grads get a ring made from the scrap metal of some bridge? Why not update the tradition, and make them out of scrapped SpaceX booster metal?

"Dear Class of 2016, your graduation rings are made out of Flight Metal - metal which has actually flown to space and back."


The carbon fiber could be turned into mousepads.  8)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 05/06/2016 05:19 PM
I have to admit it: when JCSat 14's first stage landed, I exclaimed, "Of Course I Still Love You, we have another Falcon 9 onboard" in homage to the SpX-8 landing.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sghill on 05/06/2016 05:19 PM
Maybe they'll grind them up to make MCT parts in the 3-d printer. :>
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: NovaSilisko on 05/06/2016 05:24 PM
I am saddened to see so little appreciation for the true heroes of this launch - Stubborn Stiffener Ring and Enthusiastic Yet Ineffective Water Cannon
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: matthewkantar on 05/06/2016 05:38 PM
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: wannamoonbase on 05/06/2016 05:57 PM
Seriously, though - you know how engineering grads get a ring made from the scrap metal of some bridge? Why not update the tradition, and make them out of scrapped SpaceX booster metal?

"Dear Class of 2016, your graduation rings are made out of Flight Metal - metal which has actually flown to space and back."


The carbon fiber could be turned into mousepads.  8)

Its called the 'Iron Ring' for a reason.  The scrap metal from a bridge is a myth.  The practice started because of the Quebec bridge failure, I believe that's where it comes from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_of_the_Calling_of_an_Engineer

It's important it remains iron and true to the original intent.  It will just be better to fly more engineers into space on this stockpile of booster cores.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mme on 05/06/2016 06:17 PM
Wow, that was super ninja, especially with the camera getting overexposed and then black and then .... wham, there's the first stage.

They're going to HAVE to work on some sort of autofilter mechanism to catch the whole landing.

     Some whackjob's likely to say that they faked the whole landing, simply overexposing the image and then switching the image to another barge with a rocket already standing on it!
I am convinced that there are people that would tell you it was faked even if they watched it live from the deck of a ship 100 meters off OCISLY in broad daylight, boarded OCISLY immediately after and burned their fingertip on an engine bell.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/06/2016 06:20 PM

I am convinced that there are people that would tell you it was faked even if they watched it live from the deck of a ship 100 meters off OCISLY in broad daylight, boarded OCISLY immediately after and burned their fingertip on an engine bell.

You know space is popular again when the "Arrgh my tax dollars"/"We need to end all the world's sufferings first"/"Humankind is a virus Mr Anderson"/"Totally fake, I can replicate that on my casio"/"Goddard lied!" crowd actually bothered to comment in the first place!  :D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: starhawk92 on 05/06/2016 07:10 PM
I was thinking (if that's what all those voices in my head are called), "You know, SpaceX is starting to really get out front on this rocket business and 21st century space race, what can we, as NSF diehards, do to keep them motivated?"

Then this happened:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40245.0

Join me for some fun!!!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 05/06/2016 07:36 PM
I am saddened to see so little appreciation for the true heroes of this launch - Stubborn Stiffener Ring and Enthusiastic Yet Ineffective Water Cannon

"One out of 5 droneships suffer from immature ejection--the difficulty of performing at your best when everyone is paying close attention to you (or things atop of you) not exploding in fire.

"When your droneship suffers stiffening of the rings and problems in performance, there's Dronex."

"WARNING: DRONEX IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. Side effects include paranoia (especially regarding large heavy objects, on fire, falling at hundreds of meters per second towards you), dizziness, a strange swimming sensation, and motion sickness. Dronex should not be taken while you are not at work in the ocean. Dronex is especially proscribed for those who know they are loved or who have read the instructions. Dronex should be taken 1 hour before the possibility of inflamed and exploding deck plates may occur."

"If your droneship is commanded by Blue Origin, consult your patent attorney to see if Dronex is right for you."
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: drzerg on 05/06/2016 07:39 PM
i am curious if any chance exist that in the far future spacex will start to sell old flown retired engines to drag racers? imagine breaking sound barrier on the 1 mile race.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: punder on 05/06/2016 07:50 PM
I am convinced that there are people that would tell you it was faked even if they watched it live from the deck of a ship 100 meters off OCISLY in broad daylight, boarded OCISLY immediately after and burned their fingertip on an engine bell.

May they trip over a landing leg and face-plant into that engine bell.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/06/2016 07:55 PM
i am curious if any chance exist that in the far future spacex will start to sell old flown retired engines to drag racers? imagine breaking sound barrier on the 1 mile race.

You mean something like this?

(http://i.imgur.com/46vQNRE.jpg?1)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: launchwatcher on 05/06/2016 07:56 PM
I am convinced that there are people that would tell you it was faked even if they watched it live from the deck of a ship 100 meters off OCISLY in broad daylight, boarded OCISLY immediately after and burned their fingertip on an engine bell.
May they trip over a landing leg and face-plant into that engine bell.
Let's not go there.   That might dent the bell, delaying reuse.

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: wannamoonbase on 05/06/2016 08:01 PM
OCISLY will be racking up the miles.

It's stunning to think that this may happen 3 more times before the end of next month!!

The recovery team will be provided amble opportunity to refine their procedures and become very efficient.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JasonAW3 on 05/06/2016 08:22 PM

I am convinced that there are people that would tell you it was faked even if they watched it live from the deck of a ship 100 meters off OCISLY in broad daylight, boarded OCISLY immediately after and burned their fingertip on an engine bell.

You know space is popular again when the "Arrgh my tax dollars"/"We need to end all the world's sufferings first"/"Humankind is a virus Mr Anderson"/"Totally fake, I can replicate that on my casio"/"Goddard lied!" crowd actually bothered to comment in the first place!  :D

      Hey, I know that they landed it YOU know that they landed it, but do THEY know that SpaceX landed it?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/06/2016 08:32 PM
I am saddened to see so little appreciation for the true heroes of this launch - Stubborn Stiffener Ring and Enthusiastic Yet Ineffective Water Cannon

"One out of 5 droneships suffer from immature ejection--the difficulty of performing at your best when everyone is paying close attention to you (or things atop of you) not exploding in fire.

"When your droneship suffers stiffening of the rings and problems in performance, there's Dronex."

"WARNING: DRONEX IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. Side effects include paranoia (especially regarding large heavy objects, on fire, falling at hundreds of meters per second towards you), dizziness, a strange swimming sensation, and motion sickness. Dronex should not be taken while you are not at work in the ocean. Dronex is especially proscribed for those who know they are loved or who have read the instructions. Dronex should be taken 1 hour before the possibility of inflamed and exploding deck plates may occur."

"If your droneship is commanded by Blue Origin, consult your patent attorney to see if Dronex is right for you."


OH MY Lord!   Another post causing fits of laughter... Thank you.. A Like isn't good enough for this one.
Do we have a party thread hall of fame?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Joffan on 05/06/2016 09:57 PM
One more recovered stage, and the droneship can be fitted with a stage at each corner. Then it won't have to wait for the stages - it can go up and catch them on the way down.

Even better: it can provide a Mars-equivalent surface at high altitude for the Red Dragon landing tests.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 05/06/2016 10:56 PM
I am saddened to see so little appreciation for the true heroes of this launch - Stubborn Stiffener Ring and Enthusiastic Yet Ineffective Water Cannon
Let us also shed a tear for the intrepid forces of PadX ... remember those guys? They're doing rather poorly at rocket retention of late
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MATTBLAK on 05/06/2016 10:56 PM
http://i.imgur.com/fxZyRnV.jpg
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MATTBLAK on 05/06/2016 11:08 PM

I am convinced that there are people that would tell you it was faked even if they watched it live from the deck of a ship 100 meters off OCISLY in broad daylight, boarded OCISLY immediately after and burned their fingertip on an engine bell.

You know space is popular again when the "Arrgh my tax dollars"/"We need to end all the world's sufferings first"/"Humankind is a virus Mr Anderson"/"Totally fake, I can replicate that on my casio"/"Goddard lied!" crowd actually bothered to comment in the first place!  :D

      Hey, I know that they landed it YOU know that they landed it, but do THEY know that SpaceX landed it?

I am getting SOOO sick of those type of ****tards - they are EVERYWHERE, spreading like cancer. Some believe the sh1t they're spouting, others are just doing it to get a reaction from space fans. I haven't punched anyone in 30 years but I think that soon, I might get to because I'm participating in a couple events over the coming weeks where I will be doing Space Exploration history presentations in Powerpoint and with models and some terd is bound to mouth off. And one of the biggest problems? When I try to warn some space websites that these people exist and are stepping up their nonsense - my comments or warnings get moderated or deleted away... :(  Don't let that happen to you!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 05/06/2016 11:15 PM
I am saddened to see so little appreciation for the true heroes of this launch - Stubborn Stiffener Ring and Enthusiastic Yet Ineffective Water Cannon
Do they have Twitter accounts?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 05/06/2016 11:36 PM
Heh... It's 'Graduation Season' and in the time honored tradition of College students making one last desperate attempt to make total fools of themselves...

How many AeroSpace graduates are going to make their Mortarboards look like DroneShips with recovered boosters??? 8)

(If you see them, post the pics!!!)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: 411rocket on 05/06/2016 11:45 PM
Saw this & thought that it should be included..............

https://twitter.com/F9FirstStage/with_replies
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/07/2016 01:08 AM
I am getting SOOO sick of those type of ****tards - they are EVERYWHERE, spreading like cancer. Some believe the sh1t they're spouting, others are just doing it to get a reaction from space fans. I haven't punched anyone in 30 years but I think that soon, I might get to because I'm participating in a couple events over the coming weeks where I will be doing Space Exploration history presentations in Powerpoint and with models and some terd is bound to mouth off. And one of the biggest problems? When I try to warn some space websites that these people exist and are stepping up their nonsense - my comments or warnings get moderated or deleted away... :(  Don't let that happen to you!
You just need some mentoring, I hear Buzz Aldrin makes a good mentor on the topic.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/07/2016 01:14 AM
When you see a new picture of jscat-14 and you just want to go:

Wow, you can even see the technician!

But alas it's on the updates thread and you fear with all of Chris's contacts, he might start taking advice from Buzz Aldrin for dealing with off topic post's.

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39843.msg1530394#msg1530394

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sewebster on 05/07/2016 01:19 AM
Is the technician real or photoshopped though? SSL logos (on stand next to tech and on left side) also appear manipulated. Does this satellite even exist? It would be consistent with the faked landing... perhaps there wasn't even a launch.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: NovaSilisko on 05/07/2016 01:19 AM
A tragic case of Blurry Leg Syndrome...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/07/2016 06:07 AM
Is the technician real or photoshopped though? SSL logos (on stand next to tech and on left side) also appear manipulated. Does this satellite even exist? It would be consistent with the faked landing... perhaps there wasn't even a launch.
OMG, you are correct. The light is coming from behind the tech., yet she has a shadow behind her!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: eric_astro on 05/07/2016 10:50 AM
IMHO

Elon, YOU are the man!

 8)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/07/2016 11:14 AM
OMG, you are correct. The light is coming from behind the tech., yet she has a shadow behind her!

Clearly, when the stage tried to "land" and the feed cut out, they just went back to footage of an older stage they'd shot on the barge before. Saying they landed a rocket stage is dumb. Rockets can't land. Don't fall for their lies, sheeple!

(Ew, that felt toxic even in jest).
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: hamerad on 05/07/2016 11:19 AM
OMG, you are correct. The light is coming from behind the tech., yet she has a shadow behind her!

Clearly, when the stage tried to "land" and the feed cut out, they just went back to footage of an older stage they'd shot on the barge before. Saying they landed a rocket stage is dumb. Rockets can't land. Don't fall for their lies, sheeple!

(Ew, that felt toxic even in jest).

What do you mean land? Rocket's can't even go to orbit because the world is flat!
(And i agree, even in jest that feels wrong, but you can't read youtube comments without running into a few flat earthers aswell.)
Edit: spelling
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 05/07/2016 01:32 PM
OMG, you are correct. The light is coming from behind the tech., yet she has a shadow behind her!

Clearly, when the stage tried to "land" and the feed cut out, they just went back to footage of an older stage they'd shot on the barge before. Saying they landed a rocket stage is dumb. Rockets can't land. Don't fall for their lies, sheeple!

(Ew, that felt toxic even in jest).

What do you mean land? Rocket's can't even so to orbit because they world is flat!
(And i agree, even in jest that feels wrong, but you can't read youtube comments without running into a few flat earthers aswell.)

Ah, I can see where you are going with this.  Rest assured, my children, you will not catch me out in your logic.

It is turtles.  Turtles all the way down.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/07/2016 02:29 PM
No, Elephants! Elephants support the whole apparatus.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/07/2016 02:36 PM
What about falcons? Falcons all the way down?  :o
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 05/07/2016 02:52 PM
I thought we were a plate spinning on top of a pole...  You mean Terry Pratchett lied to me?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 05/07/2016 05:41 PM
I am saddened to see so little appreciation for the true heroes of this launch - Stubborn Stiffener Ring and Enthusiastic Yet Ineffective Water Cannon
Let us also shed a tear for the intrepid forces of PadX ... remember those guys? They're doing rather poorly at rocket retention of late

What?!?  PadX are killing it right now with their innovative project to explore sea-going pads!  I mean, OK.  Some are complaining that they first have to go through all this Rube Goldberg nonsense to actually get out there.  But they have definitely become the preeminent leaders in the rocket-based exploration of moveable ocean platforms. 

On a more serious note, I totally think that the landing/recovery team that have pioneered this approach could totally reclaim PadX as a positive team identifier.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/07/2016 08:30 PM
What about falcons? Falcons all the way down?  :o
Down? Shouldn't it be all the way up?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: NovaSilisko on 05/07/2016 09:02 PM
I remember being relayed a facebook comment about how rocket engines are propulsive systems and therefore could only push forward, not slow something down to land.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 05/07/2016 11:28 PM
I remember being relayed a facebook comment about how rocket engines are propulsive systems and therefore could only push forward, not slow something down to land.

He he he... "We're not retreating.  We're advancing in the opposite direction!"
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Mongo62 on 05/08/2016 01:17 AM
I remember being relayed a facebook comment about how rocket engines are propulsive systems and therefore could only push forward, not slow something down to land.

Not to mention that rockets cannot work in a vacuum, because they need something to push against.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/08/2016 01:46 AM
I thought we were a plate spinning on top of a pole...  You mean Terry Pratchett lied to me?

Impossible. Sir Terry never lies.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 05/08/2016 02:06 AM
Is the technician real or photoshopped though? SSL logos (on stand next to tech and on left side) also appear manipulated. Does this satellite even exist? It would be consistent with the faked landing... perhaps there wasn't even a launch.

OMG, you are correct. The light is coming from behind the tech., yet she has a shadow behind her!

... and we *know* what that means ...  :o
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/08/2016 11:10 PM
OMG, you are correct. The light is coming from behind the tech., yet she has a shadow behind her!

Clearly, when the stage tried to "land" and the feed cut out, they just went back to footage of an older stage they'd shot on the barge before. Saying they landed a rocket stage is dumb. Rockets can't land. Don't fall for their lies, sheeple!

(Ew, that felt toxic even in jest).

I saw one video that claimed what really happened was that the stage launched from the ASDS! What a hoot! That would be harder than landing it because of the whole need for fuel, LOX, etc.. Also begs the question of why somebody would launch an empty stage with no payload just to put one over on the rest of the world.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/09/2016 01:10 AM
Because we all know, running video backwards looks so real ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: koshvv on 05/09/2016 11:40 AM
Because we all know, running video backwards looks so real ;)
Also, look how nicely rocket sucks all this smoke into its engines!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: gospacex on 05/09/2016 12:28 PM
I am getting SOOO sick of those type of ****tards - they are EVERYWHERE, spreading like cancer. Some believe the sh1t they're spouting, others are just doing it to get a reaction from space fans. I haven't punched anyone in 30 years but I think that soon, I might get to because I'm participating in a couple events over the coming weeks where I will be doing Space Exploration history presentations in Powerpoint and with models and some terd is bound to mouth off. And one of the biggest problems? When I try to warn some space websites that these people exist and are stepping up their nonsense - my comments or warnings get moderated or deleted away... :(  Don't let that happen to you!

Consider doing it differently. When someone claims that SpaceX landings are fake, immediately agree with them. Then claim that you are convinced that launches are fake too - they are clearly CGI. If they agree with this, voice your growing suspicion that SpaceX does not exist, it is just a CIA ploy on the orders of reptiloids. (Elon is a reptiloid, of course)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 05/09/2016 12:51 PM
I think the SpaceX landing videos are great proof of the fact that we live on a flat earth. Other rockets have been splashing and landing too, but finally we're seeing it in HD. There is no such thing as orbit.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: WindnWar on 05/09/2016 01:11 PM
I think the SpaceX landing videos are great proof of the fact that we live on a flat earth. Other rockets have been splashing and landing too, but finally we're seeing it in HD. There is no such thing as orbit.

As we ride on the back of the great turtle! So say we all!  8)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 05/09/2016 01:25 PM
I think the SpaceX landing videos are great proof of the fact that we live on a flat earth. Other rockets have been splashing and landing too, but finally we're seeing it in HD. There is no such thing as orbit.

As we ride on the back of the great turtle! So say we all!  8)

The Great Turtle Theory does provide a nice explanation where the missing second stages and 'payloads' went: over the edge of the turtle! And all that delta-v is needed to cross the necessary distance.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/09/2016 02:25 PM
Because we all know, running video backwards looks so real ;)
Also, look how nicely rocket sucks all this smoke into its engines!
Ever see the RedWarf episode where time runs in reverse? Yeah, just avoid the nearby bushes ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/09/2016 02:47 PM
Because we all know, running video backwards looks so real ;)
Also, look how nicely rocket sucks all this smoke into its engines!

<rant>
You can solve ignorance with education, but you can't fix stupid.
The idea that somebody would
 - launch a rocket off a platform without any visible means of fueling the rocket
    (like the umbilical lines and tanks present at launch sites),
 - launch a rocket with one engine off the platform
    (as if one engine can even lift a fully fueled stage), while carrying 8 others as useless ballast
 - not notice that the stage doesn't have the frosty look of a fueled stage, and that it is has the soot of a returned stage, not the nice paint of a freshly rocket.
 - of course there is also the live camera views of the rocket coming into port, being unloaded and trucked out of site and being stored in buildings (etc) so it is still around, versus something that was launched from a platform and then dumped in the ocean. 
And if ALL those videos were created to fool people, and played backwards, it would imply that EVERYBODY in the videos that walks around the rocket would have to walk backwards (without looking "behind them") the entire time to not blow the cover on the whole thing!

</rant>
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 05/09/2016 04:51 PM
Thank you, Craig.  As someone who does customer service for a living, I wholeheartedly embrace the statement "You can fix ignorant, but you can't fix stupid."

Or, as my favorite customer service T-shirt states, "I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you."

:)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Tuts36 on 05/09/2016 05:51 PM
Thank you, Craig.  As someone who does customer service for a living, I wholeheartedly embrace the statement "You can fix ignorant, but you can't fix stupid."

Or, as my favorite customer service T-shirt states, "I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you."

:)

I need this shirt very badly.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/09/2016 06:00 PM
New poll how many stages will they have to store by Dec 31st 2016!

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40267.0
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: king1999 on 05/09/2016 07:17 PM
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 1936:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Clermont_replica.jpg)

Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 2016:
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10419977_10157418683405131_4350150633819910187_n.jpg?oh=affe373c1b6b05f94eca7f9ad535045a&oe=57E22559)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sevenperforce on 05/09/2016 07:22 PM
Because we all know, running video backwards looks so real ;)
Also, look how nicely rocket sucks all this smoke into its engines!

<rant>
You can solve ignorance with education, but you can't fix stupid.
The idea that somebody would
 - launch a rocket off a platform without any visible means of fueling the rocket
    (like the umbilical lines and tanks present at launch sites),
 - launch a rocket with one engine off the platform
    (as if one engine can even lift a fully fueled stage), while carrying 8 others as useless ballast
 - not notice that the stage doesn't have the frosty look of a fueled stage, and that it is has the soot of a returned stage, not the nice paint of a freshly rocket.
 - of course there is also the live camera views of the rocket coming into port, being unloaded and trucked out of site and being stored in buildings (etc) so it is still around, versus something that was launched from a platform and then dumped in the ocean. 
And if ALL those videos were created to fool people, and played backwards, it would imply that EVERYBODY in the videos that walks around the rocket would have to walk backwards (without looking "behind them") the entire time to not blow the cover on the whole thing!

</rant>
SHEEPLE!!!

Come on, wake up. Do you really think you're that much more clever than the NeverAStraightAnswer and SpaceNot goons?! They planned this out, see? Those other eight engines are clearly just terra-cotta pots turned upside down and painted black, and the rocket is almost totally empty. I saw a YouTube video that proved it. They built two copies of the stage in a set studio and painted them to look identical. One launched off the barge and they played it backward as the landing video (you should really see that YouTube video) and then they put the second model on the barge and towed in into harbor. This is big money, guys! Orbit is not a real thing but they are making millions convincing you that it is!

And I can tell by the pixels?

/sarcasm
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 05/09/2016 07:54 PM
Reminds me of the guy on one of the sci.space newsgroups who insisted he could take a videotape of the Challenger disaster and run spectroscopy on the light coming out of his TV screen to determine the chemical constituents of the conflagration.

He aggressively refused to understand why people told him this wouldn't work -- and thought he had found a great conspiracy because his spectroscope was indicating there was phosphorous in the conflagration.  (He was picking up the phosphor dots from the old-style CRT TV screen.)

I kid you not, it actually happened.  Which was when I truly started to take to heart the "You can fix ignorant" adage...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: envy887 on 05/09/2016 08:00 PM
...
This is big money, guys! Orbit is not a real thing but they are making millions convincing you that it is!

And I can tell by the pixels?

/sarcasm

This has me wondering where some people think satellite TV signals come from.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sewebster on 05/09/2016 08:05 PM
This has me wondering where some people think satellite TV signals come from.

Aliens?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: starhawk92 on 05/09/2016 08:07 PM
...
This is big money, guys! Orbit is not a real thing but they are making millions convincing you that it is!

And I can tell by the pixels?

/sarcasm

This has me wondering where some people think satellite TV signals come from.

You don't need satellites, the world is flat.  They just say that to charge you more money.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sevenperforce on 05/09/2016 08:36 PM
I've seen a lot of doozys but this has to be the best I've ever seen (http://heiwaco.tripod.com/moontravel.htm).

A few delectable excerpts...

Quote
Travel of a spacecraft with humans aboard between, e.g. Earth and Moon, is not orbital, as the trajectory takes place at variable distances from heavenly bodies like Earth and Moon (and Sun) all the time ... an n(four)-body problem ... that cannot be solved. The gravity forces acting on the spacecraft in the trajectory vary all the time and speed and direction also vary all the time accordingly, so the 3D trajectory and your position in it cannot be established.

And if you cannot calculate your trajectory, space travel becomes ... difficult. Search Internet about this simple problem and ... you find nothing. Absolutely nothing. Only some simple cases in 2D increasing the distance from the Sun moving from one planetary orbit to another planetary orbit, which has nothing to do with real spacecraft travel. To apply forces on the spacecraft using a rocket engine consuming fuel to proceed towards the target, e.g. the Moon, must be done at the correct location and time in space but ... you do not know where your are.

All emphasis and whatever else he is trying to do is in the original. But remember, boys and girls, trajectory is an UNSOLVABLE problem, therefore you cannot execute any maneuvers in space. Duh, right?

Quote
Gravity assisted kicks are pseudoscience fantasies. The European Xpace Agency, EXA gravity assisted kicks business is another hoax explained further below but I will expand a little with it already here. It is so funny.

How the fast spacecraft in its trajectory manage to encounter the fast planet in orbit around Sun in the first place is not really clear, as you cannot calculate the trajectory of a spacecraft to coincide with the orbit of a planet ... when the two objects are there. How a fast spacecraft in its uncertain trajectory can approach a fast planet in a regular orbit around Sun is not clear. Or how long it takes. What are the trajectories and how do you calculate them? Why doesn't the spacecraft just crash on the planet?

Wrap an ice cold, frozen towel around your head and read above and think about it again! Do you believe that the spacecraft first slows down to 0 m/s speed in opposite direction right and then speeds up while turning 180° around Earth to 70 000 m/s in the direction left apparently still in orbit around the Sun but at more than double speed of Earth. Or does the spacecraft just turn 180° at average speed 40 000 m/s? What is happening? And how long does the spacecraft 180° high speed turn take that increases velocity 7 times. Nanoseconds?

No one could possibly have any answers!!

Quote
It is suggested that when a manned spacecraft arrives at say 130 000 m altitude with speed >11 000 m/s, suddenly a big force develops out of nowhere up in the sky and slows down the spacecraft. It is suggested that this big force is due only to contact between the spacecraft and air or atmosphere but it is nonsense.

Can a force of 130.900 N (or 13 tons) just suddenly appear out of nowhere up in the sky? It is suggested that this brake force consists of aerodynamic drag and lift but there is no air at 130.000 m altitude to provide any drag and lift. So what can it be? All re-entries are hoaxes!

Well that settles that.

Quote
Elon Musk/SpaceX sends, in front of large audiences, (December 2015, April 2016) up a rocket in space, where it disappears behind the clouds (as seen on TV), and then Elon Musk/Space X can invent anything about it, e.g. it delivered some satellites in space, while the first stage of the rocket returned and landed again on Earth ... as seen on TV and by large audiences. Hollywood will produce the footage of it or Elon does it inhouse ... prior to the show. Elon Musk's SpaceX has already (November 2015) won a $2.6bn contract with NAXA to send humans and supplies more than 40 times to the fake International Space Station, IFS, so the latter show was just to confirm the earlier one. More about the SpaceX hoaxes below. You cannot do a re-entry from the IFS. You cannot calculate the trajectory! But it is very easy to produce fake footage of it to fool the public.

By June 2015, SpaceX was producing Merlin engines at the rate of four Merlin 1D engines per week, with a total production capacity in the factory of a maximum of five per week. You wonder where all these, >200 new engines/year are used. SpaceX lies about most of its projects and products. You should of course wonder why you build four engines per week when in the end you intend to recover most of the engines.

Propellants are fed from the tanks to engines combustion chambers via single-shaft, dual-impeller turbo pumps operating on a gas generator cycle. Don't ask me how it works. It is all Elon's fantasies.

How the cold gas jets could control the 44 meters long, 50 tons when empty heavy first stage horizontally in space with 55 tons extra liquid propellants sloshing around in the two fuel tanks is a mystery for me as a naval architect.

It is a very big, free weight moving forward/aft in the two tanks affecting the centre of gravity of the rocket. If the first stage tips forward and the fuel flows forward the turbo pump will suck ... gas, the rocket engines' thrust, if any, will be applied in the wrong direction, etc.

The rocket is thus not stable while in horizontal position so you cannot stop the horizontal advance by firing a rocket engine horizontally. The only stable position is with the rocket aiming upwards with all fuel in the bottoms of the tanks. SpaceX has not provided any answers except that all was nominal. Media should ask real questions and not report nonsense. But how do you apply thrust in the right direction at >1.000 m/s speed? Is the rocket really stable?

It's all fake, I tell you!

But there is hope:
Quote
The only serious space exploration company is little Arianespace, of which I am a share holder, so do not really believe me until you have studied my web page. We only send spacecrafts one way up. They can never return.
Phew. Now we know who to invest in!

Also nukes do not exist. Just in case you wondered.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: whitelancer64 on 05/09/2016 08:45 PM
...
This is big money, guys! Orbit is not a real thing but they are making millions convincing you that it is!

And I can tell by the pixels?

/sarcasm

This has me wondering where some people think satellite TV signals come from.

I've had that conversation... apparently the signals are bounced off of the firmament.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 05/09/2016 08:50 PM
A few delectable excerpts...
...
Quote
Elon Musk/SpaceX sends, in front of large audiences, (December 2015, April 2016) up a rocket in space, where it disappears behind the clouds (as seen on TV), and then Elon Musk/Space X can invent anything about it, e.g. it delivered some satellites in space, while the first stage of the rocket returned and landed again on Earth ... as seen on TV and by large audiences. Hollywood will produce the footage of it or Elon does it inhouse ... prior to the show. Elon Musk's SpaceX has already (November 2015) won a $2.6bn contract with NAXA to send humans and supplies more than 40 times to the fake International Space Station, IFS, so the latter show was just to confirm the earlier one. More about the SpaceX hoaxes below. You cannot do a re-entry from the IFS. You cannot calculate the trajectory! But it is very easy to produce fake footage of it to fool the public.

IFS= International Fake Station?  lol
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sevenperforce on 05/09/2016 09:02 PM
...
This is big money, guys! Orbit is not a real thing but they are making millions convincing you that it is!

And I can tell by the pixels?

/sarcasm

This has me wondering where some people think satellite TV signals come from.

I've had that conversation... apparently the signals are bounced off of the firmament.
I remember one conspiracist blogger who believed suborbital spaceflight was real, but that there is a clear glass sphere surrounding the Earth to hold the atmosphere in, and that the carbon-carbon nose cone and thermal tiles on the Space Shuttle were necessary to melt their way through the glass sphere. ICBMs and re-entry capsules merely punch their way through the glass sphere. Glass found in deserts after lightning strikes? Definitely fallen from space.

Scout's honor.

Oh no, I found it again (http://www.wildheretic.com/there-is-glass-in-the-sky/).

Quote
On re-entry, the space shuttle heats to 1650 °C at 100 km altitude.

For this kind of temperature to occur at 100 km, there must be a lot of something up there to create this amount of friction; and glass fits the bill perfectly… or you can believe the steel-melting temperatures of the shuttle occur because of the compression of a few molecules of air trapped in the shuttle’s shock wave.

Why over 1650 °C?

At what temperature does glass (silicon dioxide) melt? You guessed it… 1600 °C. This is why the underbelly of the space shuttle has to reach 1650 °C in order to melt the glass underneath, so it can fall through and re-enter. If the angle of the shuttle is too shallow, it bounces off the “atmosphere” (read glass) like a skipping stone and goes back into space, which is called skip re-entry.
The pain, the pain.

A few delectable excerpts...
...
Quote
Elon Musk/SpaceX sends, in front of large audiences, (December 2015, April 2016) up a rocket in space, where it disappears behind the clouds (as seen on TV), and then Elon Musk/Space X can invent anything about it, e.g. it delivered some satellites in space, while the first stage of the rocket returned and landed again on Earth ... as seen on TV and by large audiences. Hollywood will produce the footage of it or Elon does it inhouse ... prior to the show. Elon Musk's SpaceX has already (November 2015) won a $2.6bn contract with NAXA to send humans and supplies more than 40 times to the fake International Space Station, IFS, so the latter show was just to confirm the earlier one. More about the SpaceX hoaxes below. You cannot do a re-entry from the IFS. You cannot calculate the trajectory! But it is very easy to produce fake footage of it to fool the public.

IFS= International Fake Station?  lol
A smart one, you are! You will go far, young padawan.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: gin455res on 05/09/2016 09:10 PM
I've seen a lot of doozys but this has to be the best I've ever seen (http://heiwaco.tripod.com/moontravel.htm).

A few delectable excerpts...

Quote
Travel of a spacecraft with humans aboard between, e.g. Earth and Moon, is not orbital, as the trajectory takes place at variable distances from heavenly bodies like Earth and Moon (and Sun) all the time ... an n(four)-body problem ... that cannot be solved. The gravity forces acting on the spacecraft in the trajectory vary all the time and speed and direction also vary all the time accordingly, so the 3D trajectory and your position in it cannot be established.

And if you cannot calculate your trajectory, space travel becomes ... difficult. Search Internet about this simple problem and ... you find nothing. Absolutely nothing. Only some simple cases in 2D increasing the distance from the Sun moving from one planetary orbit to another planetary orbit, which has nothing to do with real spacecraft travel. To apply forces on the spacecraft using a rocket engine consuming fuel to proceed towards the target, e.g. the Moon, must be done at the correct location and time in space but ... you do not know where your are.

All emphasis and whatever else he is trying to do is in the original. But remember, boys and girls, trajectory is an UNSOLVABLE problem, therefore you cannot execute any maneuvers in space. Duh, right?

Quote
Gravity assisted kicks are pseudoscience fantasies. The European Xpace Agency, EXA gravity assisted kicks business is another hoax explained further below but I will expand a little with it already here. It is so funny.

How the fast spacecraft in its trajectory manage to encounter the fast planet in orbit around Sun in the first place is not really clear, as you cannot calculate the trajectory of a spacecraft to coincide with the orbit of a planet ... when the two objects are there. How a fast spacecraft in its uncertain trajectory can approach a fast planet in a regular orbit around Sun is not clear. Or how long it takes. What are the trajectories and how do you calculate them? Why doesn't the spacecraft just crash on the planet?

Wrap an ice cold, frozen towel around your head and read above and think about it again! Do you believe that the spacecraft first slows down to 0 m/s speed in opposite direction right and then speeds up while turning 180° around Earth to 70 000 m/s in the direction left apparently still in orbit around the Sun but at more than double speed of Earth. Or does the spacecraft just turn 180° at average speed 40 000 m/s? What is happening? And how long does the spacecraft 180° high speed turn take that increases velocity 7 times. Nanoseconds?

No one could possibly have any answers!!

Quote
It is suggested that when a manned spacecraft arrives at say 130 000 m altitude with speed >11 000 m/s, suddenly a big force develops out of nowhere up in the sky and slows down the spacecraft. It is suggested that this big force is due only to contact between the spacecraft and air or atmosphere but it is nonsense.

Can a force of 130.900 N (or 13 tons) just suddenly appear out of nowhere up in the sky? It is suggested that this brake force consists of aerodynamic drag and lift but there is no air at 130.000 m altitude to provide any drag and lift. So what can it be? All re-entries are hoaxes!

Well that settles that.

Quote
Elon Musk/SpaceX sends, in front of large audiences, (December 2015, April 2016) up a rocket in space, where it disappears behind the clouds (as seen on TV), and then Elon Musk/Space X can invent anything about it, e.g. it delivered some satellites in space, while the first stage of the rocket returned and landed again on Earth ... as seen on TV and by large audiences. Hollywood will produce the footage of it or Elon does it inhouse ... prior to the show. Elon Musk's SpaceX has already (November 2015) won a $2.6bn contract with NAXA to send humans and supplies more than 40 times to the fake International Space Station, IFS, so the latter show was just to confirm the earlier one. More about the SpaceX hoaxes below. You cannot do a re-entry from the IFS. You cannot calculate the trajectory! But it is very easy to produce fake footage of it to fool the public.

By June 2015, SpaceX was producing Merlin engines at the rate of four Merlin 1D engines per week, with a total production capacity in the factory of a maximum of five per week. You wonder where all these, >200 new engines/year are used. SpaceX lies about most of its projects and products. You should of course wonder why you build four engines per week when in the end you intend to recover most of the engines.

Propellants are fed from the tanks to engines combustion chambers via single-shaft, dual-impeller turbo pumps operating on a gas generator cycle. Don't ask me how it works. It is all Elon's fantasies.

How the cold gas jets could control the 44 meters long, 50 tons when empty heavy first stage horizontally in space with 55 tons extra liquid propellants sloshing around in the two fuel tanks is a mystery for me as a naval architect.

It is a very big, free weight moving forward/aft in the two tanks affecting the centre of gravity of the rocket. If the first stage tips forward and the fuel flows forward the turbo pump will suck ... gas, the rocket engines' thrust, if any, will be applied in the wrong direction, etc.

The rocket is thus not stable while in horizontal position so you cannot stop the horizontal advance by firing a rocket engine horizontally. The only stable position is with the rocket aiming upwards with all fuel in the bottoms of the tanks. SpaceX has not provided any answers except that all was nominal. Media should ask real questions and not report nonsense. But how do you apply thrust in the right direction at >1.000 m/s speed? Is the rocket really stable?

It's all fake, I tell you!

But there is hope:
Quote
The only serious space exploration company is little Arianespace, of which I am a share holder, so do not really believe me until you have studied my web page. We only send spacecrafts one way up. They can never return.
Phew. Now we know who to invest in!

Also nukes do not exist. Just in case you wondered.

Probably, need to stay away from the wackier edges of youtube for a while as when the F-9 appeared just standing there after the whiteout last week, I immediately remembered this scene from bagpus (a UK kids tv program from the 70s - possibly not relevant to non-brits, or under 35s) The mice were showing off their chocolate biscuit factory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBFwClllXQs&feature=youtu.be&t=58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBFwClllXQs&feature=youtu.be&t=58)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 05/09/2016 09:18 PM
Oh man... someone broke out the good stuff...

Oops!  Spilled my beer, guess this is now officially a party! 8)


Ya know, my dad actually graduated from Roswell NM High School in the early 60s...  Grandpa was AirForce and stationed out there.  Only quote we ever got from him.  "Never trust the Government to tell you everything."
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/09/2016 09:20 PM
boy I opened a can of worms!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: launchwatcher on 05/09/2016 10:01 PM
boy I opened a can of worms!
Just wait until one of these loons turns up in this thread.    (Maybe we could talk up L2 as where the folks in on the conspiracy meet..)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sevenperforce on 05/09/2016 10:50 PM
boy I opened a can of worms!
Just wait until one of these loons turns up in this thread.    (Maybe we could talk up L2 as where the folks in on the conspiracy meet..)
We should all make a pact to preface any responses to such poor nuts with:

"Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha...with all due respect, nope."

Then proceed to explain as desired. But getting that preface in ensures we all keep the same high standard of excellence.

And I say this as a former, converted conspiracy theorist. Not of the Moon landing denier variety, mind you, but a pretty damn hopeless one no less.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 05/09/2016 10:58 PM
boy I opened a can of worms!
Just wait until one of these loons turns up in this thread.    (Maybe we could talk up L2 as where the folks in on the conspiracy meet..)
We should all make a pact to preface any responses to such poor nuts with:

"Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha...with all due respect, nope."

Then proceed to explain as desired. But getting that preface in ensures we all keep the same high standard of excellence.

And I say this as a former, converted conspiracy theorist. Not of the Moon landing denier variety, mind you, but a pretty damn hopeless one no less.

Don't let the Gray Aliens hear you say that... :D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sevenperforce on 05/09/2016 11:08 PM

We should all make a pact to preface any responses to such poor nuts with:

"Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha...with all due respect, nope."

Then proceed to explain as desired. But getting that preface in ensures we all keep the same high standard of excellence.

And I say this as a former, converted conspiracy theorist. Not of the Moon landing denier variety, mind you, but a pretty damn hopeless one no less.

Don't let the Gray Aliens hear you say that... :D
Don't impugn the Greys by calling them Grays!!!!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dgates on 05/10/2016 12:27 AM
The rocket thingy is almost part way past buoy 7!  Let's all OBSESS on the ASDS arrival! It'll be dark so we won't see anything at all, but post 7 times a minute that we wish there were lights! Launch the drone with the IR camera, because we want to watch a seaman tie up a very barge-like ship up to a bollard!

Kidding.  I'm fascinated, and it'll be interesting to see any changes to the pier side processing....

I do wish there were a webcam in the HIF though.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 05/10/2016 02:46 AM
OK, watching the Port Canaveral webcam...

Wait -- I think I see something on the side of the barge.  A sign of some kind.  C'mon, operator, zoom in on it...

Aw, too bad we can't post screencaps.  It says "Hi, NSFers!"

Wait, there's another line of text below that...

Oh.  It says "GET A LIFE!!!"

:D  :D  :D

(Obviously, just trying to bring a touch of levity to the beginning of the latest ASDS Stalk...)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Prober on 05/10/2016 02:56 AM
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 1936:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Clermont_replica.jpg)

Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 2016:
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10419977_10157418683405131_4350150633819910187_n.jpg?oh=affe373c1b6b05f94eca7f9ad535045a&oe=57E22559)


You were seeing the same ......try US civil war
movie is Ironclads

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: darkenfast on 05/10/2016 04:35 AM
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 1936:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Clermont_replica.jpg)

Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 2016:
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10419977_10157418683405131_4350150633819910187_n.jpg?oh=affe373c1b6b05f94eca7f9ad535045a&oe=57E22559)


See, now I can prove it's a conspiracy.  The steamboat is obviously anchored and not underway.  Not only that, but you can see big hills behind it.  That PROVES that the picture of the SpaceX barge with the alleged rocket on it is faked.  Buy my book for more info!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 05/10/2016 05:25 AM
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 1936:

Wow, who was landing rocket boosters on steamboats in 1936?  Interesting that they decided to secure it with guy wires instead of the more practical jacks and "shoes" system pioneered by SpaceX.  Their targeting algorithms must have been pretty good to avoid hitting the masts.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MATTBLAK on 05/10/2016 08:51 AM
Guys... You're killing me! Please stop!! :) :(  I dunno whether to laugh or cry. The kind of excrement you've been parodying and re-posting is literally physically painful to me. The anti-space Conspiracy Sheep nuts I've been battling online for years have - from one extreme to another - either merely called me an idiot for defending space exploration or have actually threatened my life - once in person, here in New Zealand!! I had to shut my Facebook profile and YouTube accounts because of them!! They literally are not funny and need to be taken seriously. They are a very real cancer of ignorance and they are spreading, hopelessly out of control like a wildfire. Nasaspaceflight.com is a haven for me. But I'm afraid I'll have to skip some of the parodies here; they're giving me heartburn! Cheers, Matthew.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sanman on 05/10/2016 08:53 AM
Gee, that would make for a good steampunk rocket sci-fi story.

"Rocketship Galileo - the Early Years"

Either that, or Falcon9 travels through a wormhole to the past.

"The P̶h̶i̶l̶a̶d̶e̶l̶p̶h̶i̶a̶ Canaveral Experiment"
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/10/2016 09:54 AM
Guys... You're killing me! Please stop!! :) :(  I dunno whether to laugh or cry. The kind of excrement you've been parodying and re-posting is literally physically painful to me. The anti-space Conspiracy Sheep nuts I've been battling online for years have - from one extreme to another - either merely called me an idiot for defending space exploration or have actually threatened my life - once in person, here in New Zealand!! I had to shut my Facebook profile and YouTube accounts because of them!! They literally are not funny and need to be taken seriously. They are a very real cancer of ignorance and they are spreading, hopelessly out of control like a wildfire. Nasaspaceflight.com is a haven for me. But I'm afraid I'll have to skip some of the parodies here; they're giving me heartburn! Cheers, Matthew.
As I tell my kids ... It's ok,
Remember to breathe
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MATTBLAK on 05/10/2016 10:03 AM
I knew someone would say something like that to me, but believe me - I do have a sense of humour about all this. It's just difficult, is all. But I take this garbage and the people spouting it seriously and I urge many of you to do the same. And you don't have to lose your mind because of it...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/10/2016 10:07 AM
I knew someone would say something like that to me, but believe me - I do have a sense of humour about all this. It's just difficult, is all. But I take this garbage and the people spouting it seriously and I urge many of you to do the same. And you don't have to lose your mind because of it...
Good.  And as I said before
Looks like I opened a can of worms!

And this just in, a public service announcement
The conspiracy theory repeater thread has been sacked.
we will now return you to your regularly scheduled party thread programming.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rubtest on 05/10/2016 11:23 AM
I love this tide mixture of space flight and marine environment . Screaming burning through outer space and navigating through  stormy ocean  currents. missing however the Hobbit  mountain ridges on the way.
 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sanman on 05/10/2016 03:12 PM
Gives a novel twist on the idea of Space Pirates
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 05/10/2016 03:33 PM
Gives a novel twist on the idea of Space Pirates

(http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.161314941.8844/raf,750x1000,075,t,fafafa:ca443f4786.3u1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 05/10/2016 03:52 PM
I don't get it:

Why is everybody talking about first stage recovery on every mission thread and not about the satellite itself?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: e of pi on 05/10/2016 03:59 PM
I don't get it:

Why is everybody talking about first stage recovery on every mission thread and not about the satellite itself?
No webcam...  :D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 05/10/2016 04:03 PM
No webcam? Is that the main reason?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 05/10/2016 04:13 PM
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 1936:

Wow, who was landing rocket boosters on steamboats in 1936?  Interesting that they decided to secure it with guy wires instead of the more practical jacks and "shoes" system pioneered by SpaceX.  Their targeting algorithms must have been pretty good to avoid hitting the masts.

Looks like Dr. Goddard's experiments were more extensive (and successful) than we realized.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: e of pi on 05/10/2016 04:21 PM
No webcam? Is that the main reason?
Well, it might not be the only reason--there's been a lot more comsats launched than returned stages--but it's not exactly a bad reason. :)

Personally I'd be fascinated to read as detailed a discussion of the process of checking out the satellite's systems and inserting into its final orbit as we can do on the returned stage, but there's not the ability to stand across a pier and take pictures of the sat. People will post the orbital elements every now and then, which can let us look at its progress towards a final orbit, but it's not like there's a Periscope feed from their control room or something the way some people have had from Port Canaveral.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: llanitedave on 05/10/2016 04:44 PM
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 1936:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Clermont_replica.jpg)

Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 2016:
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10419977_10157418683405131_4350150633819910187_n.jpg?oh=affe373c1b6b05f94eca7f9ad535045a&oe=57E22559)


Those coastal mountains have sure eroded a lot in the past 86 years.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 05/10/2016 04:46 PM
No webcam? Is that the main reason?
Well, it might not be the only reason--there's been a lot more comsats launched than returned stages--but it's not exactly a bad reason. :)

Personally I'd be fascinated to read as detailed a discussion of the process of checking out the satellite's systems and inserting into its final orbit as we can do on the returned stage, but there's not the ability to stand across a pier and take pictures of the sat. People will post the orbital elements every now and then, which can let us look at its progress towards a final orbit, but it's not like there's a Periscope feed from their control room or something the way some people have had from Port Canaveral.

It's sort of "If you're not with the one you love, love the one you're with"...  :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 05/10/2016 05:24 PM
No webcam? Is that the main reason?
Well, it might not be the only reason--there's been a lot more comsats launched than returned stages--but it's not exactly a bad reason. :)

Personally I'd be fascinated to read as detailed a discussion of the process of checking out the satellite's systems and inserting into its final orbit as we can do on the returned stage, but there's not the ability to stand across a pier and take pictures of the sat. People will post the orbital elements every now and then, which can let us look at its progress towards a final orbit, but it's not like there's a Periscope feed from their control room or something the way some people have had from Port Canaveral.

Okay. I see what you mean. No webcam for looking at JCSat 14, for instance.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: starhawk92 on 05/10/2016 08:29 PM
No webcam? Is that the main reason?

All is well with the satellite, see updates starting around here:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39843.msg1529873#msg1529873
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/10/2016 09:14 PM
No webcam? Is that the main reason?

All is well with the satellite, see updates starting around here:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39843.msg1529873#msg1529873


Without a built-in selfie stick and constant updates of it unfolding it's wings we can not possibly know that is true.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 05/10/2016 09:33 PM
No webcam? Is that the main reason?

All is well with the satellite, see updates starting around here:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39843.msg1529873#msg1529873


Without a built-in selfie stick and constant updates of it unfolding it's wings we can not possibly know that is true.

It needs at least two selfie sticks, so we can also know how the camera and stick are doing.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/11/2016 12:23 AM
I think the idea of this 80 gagillion foot tall Darth Vader satellite flying over our heads is terrifying, so we don't want to think about it or talk about it.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/11/2016 12:39 AM
So you would vote against providing Darth with a selfie stick?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 05/11/2016 01:37 AM
I don't get it:

Why is everybody talking about first stage recovery on every mission thread and not about the satellite itself?

What is there to say about the satellite itself?  As some forum members have commented in the past, it's just a commsat.  Beyond reading the press releases about its statistics (transponder type and number) and coverage areas, is there something else to discuss?  I'm super stoked to read and discuss space exploration, new science investigation, engineering, etc.  But in respect to JCSAT-14, the only thing that holds much interest for me is its launch.  So, that's what I have been discussing.  Of course, I'm glad to see that the orbit parameters were posted in the Updates thread.  But, I'm not reading the SpaceX section because I'm following Sky Perfect JSat corporation.  Of course, YMMV and if that's what you're into, more power to you.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 05/11/2016 07:32 AM
I don't get it:

Why is everybody talking about first stage recovery on every mission thread and not about the satellite itself?

What is there to say about the satellite itself?  As some forum members have commented in the past, it's just a commsat.  Beyond reading the press releases about its statistics (transponder type and number) and coverage areas, is there something else to discuss?  I'm super stoked to read and discuss space exploration, new science investigation, engineering, etc.  But in respect to JCSAT-14, the only thing that holds much interest for me is its launch.  So, that's what I have been discussing.  Of course, I'm glad to see that the orbit parameters were posted in the Updates thread.  But, I'm not reading the SpaceX section because I'm following Sky Perfect JSat corporation.  Of course, YMMV and if that's what you're into, more power to you.

My point is that I thought all mission threads' objective is to cover the primary mission, which is to deploy a satellite into the proper orbit. I completely understand that first stage recovery is a huge topic nowadays, but like the ULA threads, I prefer the primary mission topic. That's all.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 05/11/2016 07:38 AM
By the way, I'm posting my complaints in the party thread because I think it could be removed if I posted on a specific discussion thread and/or update thread. I thought the party thread was the most appropriate place to have my say.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Welsh Dragon on 05/11/2016 08:15 AM
I don't get it:

Why is everybody talking about first stage recovery on every mission thread and not about the satellite itself?

What is there to say about the satellite itself?  As some forum members have commented in the past, it's just a commsat.  Beyond reading the press releases about its statistics (transponder type and number) and coverage areas, is there something else to discuss?  I'm super stoked to read and discuss space exploration, new science investigation, engineering, etc.  But in respect to JCSAT-14, the only thing that holds much interest for me is its launch.  So, that's what I have been discussing.  Of course, I'm glad to see that the orbit parameters were posted in the Updates thread.  But, I'm not reading the SpaceX section because I'm following Sky Perfect JSat corporation.  Of course, YMMV and if that's what you're into, more power to you.

My point is that I thought all mission threads' objective is to cover the primary mission, which is to deploy a satellite into the proper orbit. I completely understand that first stage recovery is a huge topic nowadays, but like the ULA threads, I prefer the primary mission topic. That's all.
And the primary mission is covered. Following mention of successful sat deployment, there is nothing more to say. This is the same for a ULA mission, an ILS mission etc. The difference with those missions is that that is the end of it. Here, we have the stage return and refurb etc to look forward to.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: swampcat on 05/11/2016 10:58 AM
By the way, I'm posting my complaints in the party thread because I think it could be removed if I posted on a specific discussion thread and/or update thread. I thought the party thread was the most appropriate place to have my say.

Complaints in a Party Thread are not appropriate. They are off-topic, unless accompanied by appropriate emoticons and other cues that suggest an attempt at humor.

Besides, it's the "Launch Party Thread!", not the "Satellite Watching Party Thread". Maybe try a search and see if you can find that thread.

:) :)

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 05/11/2016 11:40 AM
By the way, I'm posting my complaints in the party thread because I think it could be removed if I posted on a specific discussion thread and/or update thread. I thought the party thread was the most appropriate place to have my say.

Complaints in a Party Thread are not appropriate. They are off-topic, unless accompanied by appropriate emoticons and other cues that suggest an attempt at humor.

Besides, it's the "Launch Party Thread!", not the "Satellite Watching Party Thread". Maybe try a search and see if you can find that thread.

:) :)

I didn't know. Sorry.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/11/2016 02:02 PM
Besides, it's the "Launch Party Thread!", not the "Satellite Watching Party Thread". Maybe try a search and see if you can find that thread.

:) :)

You mean you don't know the url and have to search for it? Disappointed, it's right here out in the open: http://www.satobs.org/seesat/May-2016/index.html

Last night I thoroughly enjoyed watching Tiangong do a slow flyby...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 05/11/2016 02:20 PM
The Falcon is looking quite toasted.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: HankinNM on 05/11/2016 02:33 PM
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 1936:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Clermont_replica.jpg)

Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 2016:
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10419977_10157418683405131_4350150633819910187_n.jpg?oh=affe373c1b6b05f94eca7f9ad535045a&oe=57E22559)


Those coastal mountains have sure eroded a lot in the past 86 years.


Judging from the hawser off the bow, the lack of evidence of the paddlewheels rotating, and the lack of a wake, I would guess that the '1936 steamship' is anchored.  That is a beautiful shot of OCISLY, though.  I would like to use it as a wallpaper ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 05/11/2016 02:50 PM
So you would vote against providing Darth with a selfie stick?

'E's already got one!  It's verra nice ... ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 05/11/2016 04:20 PM

Well.. worst-case, SpaceX can publicly claim they're more "eco-friendly" than the other guys 'cause they pick up at least part of their rocket once they've finished with it rather than leave it sitting on the ocean floor.  :)


By burning more hydrocarbons?

Yes, because it take a lot of hydrocarbons, other energy and raw materials to build a first stage, much more than the ASDS and support ships burn recovering one.

To quantify this ...

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/manufacturing/resources/aluminum/pdfs/al_theoretical.pdf (http://www1.eere.energy.gov/manufacturing/resources/aluminum/pdfs/al_theoretical.pdf)

says that aluminum production in the US requires 46.48 kWh of fuel energy per kg of Al (includes power generation and transmission losses).

Approximating the first stage as 20000 kg of Al, that is 929600 kWh of fuel energy, or 3346560 MJ. If RP-1 is 44MJ/liter, that is 76000 liters, which at the lowest density for RP-1 (0.8) is about 61000 kg.

First stage total propellant load is something like 400 mT, of which 121 mT is RP-1 at a 2.3:1 O/F ratio. The 10% reserved is then 12 mT which is much less than the 61 mT equivalent burned to produce the aluminum in the stage.

So, even if they just land the stage and melt it down to make beer cans, we are ahead overall vs the energy requirements to smelt aluminum from ore.
Plus those beer cans would be awesome. I'd buy beer canned in cans made from F9 first stage metal (if the provenance was clear, as I usually spurn canned beer entirely)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sevenperforce on 05/11/2016 05:41 PM
So, even if they just land the stage and melt it down to make beer cans, we are ahead overall vs the energy requirements to smelt aluminum from ore.
Plus those beer cans would be awesome. I'd buy beer canned in cans made from F9 first stage metal (if the provenance was clear, as I usually spurn canned beer entirely)
Canned beer is fine as long as you pour it into a glass so as to avoid that nasty aluminum rim taste while you drink. I won't drink Guinness out of a bottle but I'll drink it out of a can, thanks to the nitro widget inside.

Dunno how the lithium metal would affect the taste, though.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Doesitfloat on 05/11/2016 05:54 PM
So, even if they just land the stage and melt it down to make beer cans, we are ahead overall vs the energy requirements to smelt aluminum from ore.
Plus those beer cans would be awesome. I'd buy beer canned in cans made from F9 first stage metal (if the provenance was clear, as I usually spurn canned beer entirely)
Canned beer is fine as long as you pour it into a glass so as to avoid that nasty aluminum rim taste while you drink. I won't drink Guinness out of a bottle but I'll drink it out of a can, thanks to the nitro widget inside.

Dunno how the lithium metal would affect the taste, though.

Not sure about the taste but will help with all those voices in my head  :o
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/11/2016 07:07 PM
Are they using the correct grade of Al alloys to make beer cans out of a Falcon 9. Most aerospace al alloys can not be recycled into beer cans. Especially Al Lithium.

Google says Beer requires AA3004. What does SpaceX use?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 05/12/2016 12:28 AM
Naw -- make the beer cans out of the octaweb metal structure.

It's just what America has always needed -- titanium beer cans... :D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 05/14/2016 06:02 PM
It's just what America has always needed -- titanium beer cans... :D

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UMYTrV7vRRM/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Joffan on 05/14/2016 10:12 PM
Project for you, mvpel - put some landing legs on a beer can :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 05/15/2016 07:36 PM
Maybe we could commission a Manhattan street artist to slice up and fold a can of "America" for us.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: e of pi on 05/18/2016 11:44 AM
So, let's get the char knocked off this launch thread and get it turned around for the next flight. It's strange, but for once I'm rooting for SpaceX to slip a bit--if the launch happens to line up with the road trip my girlfriend and I are planning to the Cape the first week of June, that'd be pretty awesome. I guess I'll control my disappointment if they fly before then, of course, and maybe we'll just make do with a Delta. :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 05/18/2016 12:32 PM
rooting for a slip?

Bite your tongue.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 05/18/2016 12:34 PM
There's always a chance SpaceX is doing some static firing of one of their slightly used rockets by then.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: abaddon on 05/18/2016 01:26 PM
I guess I'll control my disappointment if they fly before then, of course, and maybe we'll just make do with a Delta. :)
Honestly, while I am a big SpaceX fan and would love to see a launch, if I had to pick between the two I'd rather see a Delta IV Heavy launch.  Always been a big fan of that rocket and from a spectacle standpoint you can't really beat it.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Toastmastern on 05/18/2016 01:46 PM
I guess I'll control my disappointment if they fly before then, of course, and maybe we'll just make do with a Delta. :)
Honestly, while I am a big SpaceX fan and would love to see a launch, if I had to pick between the two I'd rather see a Delta IV Heavy launch.  Always been a big fan of that rocket and from a spectacle standpoint you can't really beat it.

Until november ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: abaddon on 05/18/2016 01:56 PM
Until november ;)
Right, a FH should be quite spectacular.  Still, I can't imagine it being quite as spectacular; how many launch vehicles do you know that light themselves on fire as they ascend? :D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Semmel on 05/18/2016 02:04 PM
Until november ;)
Right, a FH should be quite spectacular.  Still, I can't imagine it being quite as spectacular; how many launch vehicles do you know that light themselves on fire as they ascend? :D

All of them?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Toastmastern on 05/18/2016 02:04 PM
Until november ;)
Right, a FH should be quite spectacular.  Still, I can't imagine it being quite as spectacular; how many launch vehicles do you know that light themselves on fire as they ascend? :D

True :) Falcon 9 only does it on the descent ^^
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: abaddon on 05/18/2016 05:05 PM
All of them?
I think you know what I mean :p.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 05/18/2016 05:08 PM
rooting for a slip?

Bite your tongue.

Hey, I'd be rooting for a slip -- but most girls don't wear them any more... :(
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dorkmo on 05/19/2016 02:53 AM
"heyyyy uhh can we borrow that barge when you're through with it" -spacex
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: shm6666 on 05/19/2016 07:08 AM
"heyyyy uhh can we borrow that barge when you're through with it" -spacex

Hmm I got this crazy idea of a rocket speed boat... :) 8) :P :D ::) 8)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ClayJar on 05/19/2016 06:51 PM
So, in many a thread, this refrain (or the more common version with completely unacceptably genericized branding) is heard:

Rockets are not LEGO elements... :)

Does anyone have decent skills (something like a dental drill to open up the middle and chemistry to mix solid propellant) to turn some 1x1 round LEGO elements into segments/stages for some micro-rockets?  Maybe add a nose cone and some canted fins for spin-stabilization?

It just seems like it'd be good party material to have some little rockets that *were* LEGO elements.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: envy887 on 05/19/2016 07:05 PM
So, in many a thread, this refrain (or the more common version with completely unacceptably genericized branding) is heard:

Rockets are not LEGO elements... :)

Does anyone have decent skills (something like a dental drill to open up the middle and chemistry to mix solid propellant) to turn some 1x1 round LEGO elements into segments/stages for some micro-rockets?  Maybe add a nose cone and some canted fins for spin-stabilization?

It just seems like it'd be good party material to have some little rockets that *were* LEGO elements.  ;D
Put a small model motor in one of these:
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTg4WDY5MA==/z/RMgAAOSwJQdW~a9j/$_57.JPG?set_id=880000500F)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/222071076581
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/19/2016 08:06 PM
You could fill the LEGO model with sugar and go for orbit.

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Sugar-Rockets

Edit/Lar:  "LEGO's" is not a word. :) Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dorkmo on 05/20/2016 02:58 AM
could be lights? to make the deck look cool?

Camera pods for a VR edit of landing footage?

There are no visible wires, pipes or anything else running to these protrusions.  If they're electronic, they'd need to be battery-powered and remote-controlled..  Possible but highly unlikely IMO.

ive got just the thing
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 05/20/2016 04:36 AM
So, in many a thread, this refrain (or the more common version with completely unacceptably genericized branding) is heard:

Rockets are not LEGO elements... :)

Does anyone have decent skills (something like a dental drill to open up the middle and chemistry to mix solid propellant) to turn some 1x1 round LEGO elements into segments/stages for some micro-rockets?  Maybe add a nose cone and some canted fins for spin-stabilization?

It just seems like it'd be good party material to have some little rockets that *were* LEGO elements.  ;D
Official LEGO Group instructions for a micro scale shuttle

http://www.lego.com/en-us/club/member/building-instructions/details/micro-build-shuttle-10f91c369b92434dad9f38a16444ed3b


See also this brilliant Falcon 9 landing on an ASDS

http://www.brothers-brick.com/2015/07/29/spacex-falcon-9-landing-in-lego/
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 05/21/2016 08:46 AM
Rockets are not LEGO elements... :)

Everyone come up with your best answer: If Rockets are not LEGO elements, what are they? 


(zero points for the tautological answer, rockets are rockets)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/21/2016 12:20 PM
Tofu!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: hamerad on 05/21/2016 12:28 PM
Rockets are not LEGO elements... :)

Everyone come up with your best answer: If Rockets are not LEGO elements, what are they? 


(zero points for the tautological answer, rockets are rockets)

If they aren't LEGO elements then they must be Meccano sets :-)
https://www.mightyape.com.au/product/Meccano-Space-Quest-Set-15-Models/23009630?gclid=Cj0KEQjwjoC6BRDXuvnw4Ym2y8MBEiQACA-jWUxVtTskiob5g5VZSQMLIyH_Kk_d2r96u0ZMFKBrMngaAqUx8P8HAQ
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: llanitedave on 05/21/2016 02:52 PM
Tinker toys!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/21/2016 03:01 PM
Jenga. They're supposed to get progressively smaller without collapsing.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sevenperforce on 05/21/2016 03:31 PM
Mobile space heaters.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Craftyatom on 05/21/2016 03:56 PM
what are they?

Large kerosene storage tanks, obviously.  With turbopumps to transfer fuel quickly and oxygen for medical purposes in case someone accidentally inhales some of the kerosene and burns their lungs.

We seem to be really unlucky, though.  They keep exploding and going upward.  SpaceX has managed to recover some of the tanks from the explosions, but with such a serious design flaw involved, I can't imagine they'd use them again.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Joffan on 05/21/2016 08:26 PM
what are they?

Large kerosene storage tanks, obviously.  With turbopumps to transfer fuel quickly and oxygen for medical purposes in case someone accidentally inhales some of the kerosene and burns their lungs.

We seem to be really unlucky, though.  They keep exploding and going upward.  SpaceX has managed to recover some of the tanks from the explosions, but with such a serious design flaw involved, I can't imagine they'd use them again.

I thought Pad had managed to eradicate that unfortunate nickname, "SpaceX". Not very kind of you to remind them. :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Kaputnik on 05/22/2016 07:36 AM
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 1936:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Clermont_replica.jpg)

Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 2016:
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10419977_10157418683405131_4350150633819910187_n.jpg?oh=affe373c1b6b05f94eca7f9ad535045a&oe=57E22559)


Those coastal mountains have sure eroded a lot in the past 86 years.


Judging from the hawser off the bow, the lack of evidence of the paddlewheels rotating, and the lack of a wake, I would guess that the '1936 steamship' is anchored.  That is a beautiful shot of OCISLY, though.  I would like to use it as a wallpaper ;)

I would agree, and the mizzen sail is set as a riding sail to keep the boat head to wind. However they should be flying an anchor ball, naughty naughty!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: douglas100 on 05/22/2016 12:29 PM
Nice comparison but the coast behind the steamboat doesn't look too much like the Cape to me!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: king1999 on 05/22/2016 04:54 PM
Nice comparison but the coast behind the steamboat doesn't look too much like the Cape to me!

Now the truth: It is the North River Steamboat!
It was supposed to be just  a fun comparison, not a historically accurate one  ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_River_Steamboat
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: jacqmans on 05/23/2016 04:00 PM
Launch Viewing for THAICOM-8

Watch the launch May 26, 2016 5:40 pm EDT

Watch the SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket launch in real time on May 26, 2016, at Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex! Falcon 9 will carry the THAICOM-8 communications satellite for Orbital ATK. The Falcon 9 rocket’s reusable first stage will attempt a controlled landing on the Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship (ASDS) in the Atlantic Ocean.

Rocket Launch Location

 Launch viewing opportunities for THAICOM-8 are available at LC-39 Observation Gantry, Apollo/Saturn V Center and the main visitor complex with bleacher seating and launch commentary. Launch Viewing/Transportation Tickets to LC-39 Observation Gantry are available for $49 in addition to daily admission. Tickets for LC-39 are only available by calling 855-475-8415.

 The Banana Creek Viewing Area at Apollo/Saturn V Center and main visitor complex viewing located next to Space Shuttle Atlantis® are both included with daily admission. No launch viewing/transportation tickets are required for these two locations.

https://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/events/2016/may/launch-spacex-falcon-9-thaicom-8.aspx

?utm_source=LaunchAlertMay26&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Spring2016
&spMailingID=25556359&spUserID=MTE1Njg5MDIwMzQ4S0&spJobID=803493339
&spReportId=ODAzNDkzMzM5S0

(edit by Lar, I cut the above off the link and wrapped it so the page width didn't go wonky)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: fthomassy on 05/23/2016 04:50 PM
Well, I couldn't resist.  :D

Edit:  Lar didn't get it.  Phases of flight.  Amused my wife and me so hoped to amuse y'all.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 05/23/2016 04:59 PM
I don't get it.

In other news TPTB are discussing something momentous. You lot will just have to wait and see what it is.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ClayJar on 05/23/2016 05:13 PM
In other news TPTB are discussing something momentous. You lot will just have to wait and see what it is.

You know we're not good at waiting.  Now blindly speculating, *that* we're good at.

Obviously, they've added special calibrated cameras to OCISLY so that they themselves can provide the winning bingo square during the hosted webcast.  (Be sure to watch both streams so you don't miss the callout.)  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Kansan52 on 05/23/2016 05:15 PM
Here is an actual LEGO rocket (saw the junior version fly at Argonia on a different weekend).

http://pboxrockets.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: abaddon on 05/23/2016 05:43 PM
In other news TPTB are discussing something momentous. You lot will just have to wait and see what it is.
I'm fine with waiting and seeing, but who is (are) TPTB?  Since this is a party thread, am I missing a joke here?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 05/23/2016 05:53 PM
In other news TPTB are discussing something momentous. You lot will just have to wait and see what it is.

I'm fine with waiting and seeing, but who is (are) TPTB?  Since this is a party thread, am I missing a joke here?

I'm guessing it's a Bloom County reference ... ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kona314 on 05/23/2016 05:54 PM
In other news TPTB are discussing something momentous. You lot will just have to wait and see what it is.
I'm fine with waiting and seeing, but who is (are) TPTB?  Since this is a party thread, am I missing a joke here?

Google tells me "the powers that be." I've also never heard that initialism used before, though...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 05/23/2016 06:17 PM
TPTB have acted.

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40358.0
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 05/23/2016 09:11 PM
I feel I ought to point out that, regarding the landing bingo, all the predictions for a touchdown point would require the F-9 to be significantly off course. It is, after all, a tad more likely that the F9 will land on OCISLY rather than the pictured JRTI, as the latter is three thousand miles from the likely touchdown point. :P
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/23/2016 09:33 PM
I have been meaning to do this juxtaposition for a few weeks... (rough based on the people)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/23/2016 10:02 PM
I feel I ought to point out that, regarding the landing bingo, all the predictions for a touchdown point would require the F-9 to be significantly off course. It is, after all, a tad more likely that the F9 will land on OCISLY rather than the pictured JRTI, as the latter is three thousand miles from the likely touchdown point. :P
So in other words, assuming a successful landing, you just won!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 05/23/2016 10:32 PM
I feel I ought to point out that, regarding the landing bingo, all the predictions for a touchdown point would require the F-9 to be significantly off course. It is, after all, a tad more likely that the F9 will land on OCISLY rather than the pictured JRTI, as the latter is three thousand miles from the likely touchdown point. :P
So in other words, assuming a successful landing, you just won!

Shhhh! No need to mention the tiny, irrelevant little detail that I'm the only person so far to pick OCISLY as the landing bingo ASDS for this mission. <innocent look>.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Wolfram66 on 05/24/2016 01:26 PM
just buy a small Bahamian island and land it there? Call it the Falcon's Lair. [Cheek implied] ::) ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: starhawk92 on 05/25/2016 12:57 PM
Happy Towel Day (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towel_Day#Origin) you bunch of froods!

Would have been great to have a launch today.  Looking forward to tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Norm38 on 05/25/2016 08:09 PM
For tomorrow's launch, assuming it happens on schedule, I'll just be getting off the Metra train in downtown Chicago, heading for Grant Park for the JP Morgan Corporate Challenge 3.5 mile run.  I'll just have to keep refreshing the update thread.  Thanks in advance to everyone posting updates. 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: wannamoonbase on 05/25/2016 10:56 PM
Less than 24 hrs till go time. 

It gets good from here on out. I'm liking this 3 week cycle. 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/26/2016 02:23 AM
Less than 24 hrs till go time. 

It gets good from here on out. I'm liking this 3 week cycle.

The dosage isn't ramping up with the dependency. Two weeks, two weeks says I!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: wannamoonbase on 05/26/2016 02:35 AM
Less than 24 hrs till go time. 

It gets good from here on out. I'm liking this 3 week cycle.

The dosage isn't ramping up with the dependency. Two weeks, two weeks says I!

Don't get me wrong.  2 weeks would be amazing.  I hope we see it get there. 

I just mean a consistent 3 is nice.  The 'more than a month' stuff is painful.

Edit:  If they get to 26 launches a year, they would own how much of the global launch market?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/26/2016 02:39 AM
Less than 24 hrs till go time. 

It gets good from here on out. I'm liking this 3 week cycle.

The dosage isn't ramping up with the dependency. Two weeks, two weeks says I!

Don't get me wrong.  2 weeks would be amazing.  I hope we see it get there. 

I just mean a consistent 3 is nice.  The 'more than a month' stuff is painful.

Edit:  If they get to 26 launches a year, they would own how much of the global launch market?

Oh don't worry, I was just enjoying the party thread levity.

Hrm. In the lieu of being awake enough to do the basic math to figure out what the answer to that question is, but I'm going to go with a ludicrous amount.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 05/26/2016 03:32 AM
Rockets are not LEGO elements... :)

Everyone come up with your best answer: If Rockets are not LEGO elements, what are they? 


(zero points for the tautological answer, rockets are rockets)

Origami
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: llanitedave on 05/26/2016 05:21 AM

Edit:  If they get to 26 launches a year, they would own how much of the global launch market?

Ideally:  10%
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 05/26/2016 05:33 AM
The Falcon 9. Now with racing stripes.  ;)
(http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=40256.0,3Battach=1281492,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.wYcTc2ugGI.jpg)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Joffan on 05/26/2016 06:57 AM
The Falcon 9. Now with racing stripes.  ;)

That's how they make it go faster.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/26/2016 10:23 AM
We've cracked the secret of SpaceX's sudden performance increases - they design the LVs to be iteratively more visually appealing, so space is less likely to shun their advances.

Bulletproof physics.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Elvis in Space on 05/26/2016 01:17 PM
Before the last Spacex mission I posted a photo of a visit I made to a house  of voodoo in New Orleans. While there I beseeched the support of mystic powers in success of the flight. Apparently they listened. Unable to be in the Big Easy for this one I visited a rural tabernacle of snake handling Pentecostals in East Tennessee and asked for divine protection on Spacex before departing the premises with greatest alacrity. Fret not 'cause I think we're gonna be good on this one too.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/26/2016 01:29 PM
Well, that settles it. Voodoo is the spice the space program has been missing for years.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JasonAW3 on 05/26/2016 01:49 PM
Well, that settles it. Voodoo is the spice the space program has been missing for years.

     Welp. looks like there's gonna be a run on chickens and snakes in the not too distant future...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JasonAW3 on 05/26/2016 01:53 PM
I have been meaning to do this juxtaposition for a few weeks... (rough based on the people)

DAD BURN it folks, we went and landed on the WRONG BARGE!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: starhawk92 on 05/26/2016 01:54 PM
The Falcon 9. Now with racing stripes.  ;)
(http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=40256.0,3Battach=1281492,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.wYcTc2ugGI.jpg)

Please, somebody tell me that's an engine getting reused!!!  I want evidence!!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/26/2016 03:31 PM
The Falcon 9. Now with racing stripes.  ;)

Please, somebody tell me that's an engine getting reused!!!  I want evidence!!

unless They purposely took a brand new engine and made it not-shiney. I speculate this picture is proof enough.
 [Edits: I guess they did ]
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Doesitfloat on 05/26/2016 03:53 PM
All right since no one has guessed it yet....
The stripped engine is a new engine and the painted black stripes not white.
The black paint allows better readings for an infrared heat sensor.
Stripes cause a complete coat might change the heat dissipation rate.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Mader Levap on 05/26/2016 04:00 PM
If they were reusing engine, it would be known already officially. No one will sneak this kind of thing in hope no one notices.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sevenperforce on 05/26/2016 04:09 PM
If they were reusing engine, it would be known already officially. No one will sneak this kind of thing in hope no one notices.
Why not? I can easily see Elon at the press conference now. "We chose not to announce it beforehand, but this was the first relaunch of a previously used engine, which we identified prior to launch using stripes. We knew we had enough margin for a single-engine landing burn, so..." blah blah blah.

The stripes (if that's what they are) could serve as a visual indicator in a worst-case-scenario RUD. If the bird rips herself apart at MaxQ, there won't be much left of her when she hits the ground, so they would want a visual indicator of which engine was new, just in case video footage was all they had available. This could at least tell them whether that particular engine was the culprit.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 05/26/2016 04:23 PM
I'm lost, is this actually a real suggestion, that they striped a (reused) engine and might launch with a used engine in place for testing? or are we just having fun...
(mod hat is NOT on asking this)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: abaddon on 05/26/2016 04:26 PM
I'm lost, is this actually a real suggestion, that they striped a (reused) engine and might launch with a used engine in place for testing? or are we just having fun...
The question is, we have seen 20+ F9 launches and have never seen anything like this.  So, what does this mean?

SpaceX has been in possession of nine recovered engines for five months now.  It's hardly beyond the bounds of reason that they could have qualified one of those engines for reflight.  It's certainly possible it is a new engine with something done to it to characterize re-entry better or something like that.  Beyond those two things, I haven't a guess.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Mader Levap on 05/26/2016 04:27 PM
If they were reusing engine, it would be known already officially. No one will sneak this kind of thing in hope no one notices.
Why not? I can easily see Elon at the press conference now. "We chose not to announce it beforehand, but this was the first relaunch of a previously used engine, which we identified prior to launch using stripes.
Sure, it is possible. I find it unlikely. I mean sneaking in engine without fanfare, not single-engine reuse. Latter would be in fact good sense - since F9 can afford engine-out, they already have dozen of used Merlins and if contract allows it, why not. Still too early for me, but I could believe it. Sneaking-in, not so much.

I'm lost, is this actually a real suggestion, that they striped a (reused) engine and might launch with a used engine in place for testing?
I think reusing engine implies it already had qual and rest of required conditions fulfilled.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dodo on 05/26/2016 04:41 PM
Maybe it's just one of the suppliers that is reusing. One of them had the face to stand to Elon and say, "I heard you are into reusing... so here is this rusty tin sheet for your nozzle instead of the shiny new one".
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 05/26/2016 04:49 PM
I think Falcon first stages should come with a recycling sign from now on.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Wolfram66 on 05/26/2016 04:52 PM
The Falcon 9. Now with racing stripes.  ;)
(http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=40256.0,3Battach=1281492,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.wYcTc2ugGI.jpg)

Please, somebody tell me that's an engine getting reused!!!  I want evidence!!

This striped engine shall be referred to as the BeetleJuice3 Engine demonstrator . #Snarkasm

 ;D ;D :o 8) ??? ::)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 05/26/2016 05:18 PM
If we could zoom in for a closer view of the striped engine, written in the the soot it says, "Dirt Test, Do Not Wash".  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dorkmo on 05/26/2016 05:23 PM
they reused it one piece at a time, and it didnt cost them a dime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWHniL8MyMM

Its a 23, 24, 25 rocket.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: SpacedX on 05/26/2016 05:29 PM
I think Falcon first stages should come with a recycling sign from now on.

This is brilliant. Great for publicity! They should do it.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 05/26/2016 06:17 PM
Perhaps Bigelow should take the pharmacological approach to selling habitats.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 05/26/2016 06:38 PM
What a day for spaceflight. They launch a Falcon 9 with racing stripes and install a Bounce House on the ISS.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 05/26/2016 06:42 PM
Don't forget the game of long-distance catch.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 05/26/2016 07:13 PM
It could also turn out to be long distance lawn darts.   :o
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: speedevil on 05/26/2016 07:43 PM
Discussion of the trajectory after it starts to turn over from vertical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHZJej98_T0
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: TomTX on 05/26/2016 08:19 PM
Aaaggh. Actually at KSC for the first time for a launch and I'm still in meetings.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ronsmytheiii on 05/26/2016 08:26 PM
Thaicom...tie fighter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH5oRJKTWuc
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/26/2016 08:28 PM
Vertical stripes... its a new fashion trend...
just don't answer the question...
"Do these make me look fat?"
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/26/2016 08:30 PM
Some people like a rocket with curves. You can keep your skinny, unwholesome rockets.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/26/2016 09:36 PM
Some mutterings about a wayward boat. Might explain why (if) prop loading delayed.

wayward BOAT?   WAYWARD BOAT??   

breath .... breath....
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 05/26/2016 09:51 PM
It's the same issue every time! When will those sailors learn?!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: wxmeddler on 05/26/2016 09:52 PM
Anybody know the Lat/Lon position of OCISLY?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 05/26/2016 09:54 PM
Anybody know the Lat/Lon position of OCISLY?

I'm pretty sure that's not the wayward boat they are talking about.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Earendil on 05/26/2016 10:03 PM
Damn... there goes my night sleep .. 1 pm now here.. heading to 2.40 PM launch..

Can someone look into his crystal orb and check if it will be a scrub so I can call it a night and go to bed..
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: toruonu on 05/26/2016 10:04 PM
Damn... there goes my night sleep .. 1 pm now here.. heading to 2.40 PM launch..

Can someone look into his crystal orb and check if it will be a scrub so I can call it a night and go to bed..

I think you meant AM :D In the same boat here... need to roll the dice, do I go to sleep guessing that they will scrub and I'll see the launch tomorrow or do I stay up and go to bed grumpy if they do scrub and only get 3h of sleep...

I think I'm rolling in favor of sleep :/
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 05/26/2016 10:07 PM
Anybody know the Lat/Lon position of OCISLY?

On Marinetraffic.com it lists the following that looks
like it might be the OCISLY, about 420 NM due east of the Cape.

http://www.marinetraffic.com

"Tugs & Special Craft"

N 28 16" 55.37',  W 073 50" 53.29'
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: wxmeddler on 05/26/2016 10:13 PM
Anybody know the Lat/Lon position of OCISLY?

On Marinetraffic.com it lists the following that looks
like it might be the OCISLY, about 420 NM due east of the Cape.

http://www.marinetraffic.com

"Tugs & Special Craft"

N 28 16" 55.37',  W 073 50" 53.29'

That seems about right. I found the FCC filing, it shows
28  6'  53" N   73  38'  32"
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 05/26/2016 10:17 PM
Marinetraffic.com list the position as coming from a satellite, so it could be a little old and the OCISLY was still moving into position.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Earendil on 05/26/2016 10:19 PM
Damn... there goes my night sleep .. 1 pm now here.. heading to 2.40 PM launch..

Can someone look into his crystal orb and check if it will be a scrub so I can call it a night and go to bed..

I think you meant AM :D .....

Yep, it shows it's late :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dodo on 05/26/2016 10:28 PM
From John Insprucker to Periscope Lady. This ain't progress.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CorvusCorax on 05/26/2016 10:29 PM
Good evening and thank you for joining us on the reveal of our latest Pad-X issue.

After we suffered a critical blow last month, when 2 consecutive rockets flew away instantaneously, we have worked and introduced brand new issues for our return to non-flight tonight. Stay with us, and keep your fingers crossed. After we already worked the issue to the end of the available launch window, we at Pad-X are confident to achieve a successful scrub today.

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 05/26/2016 10:31 PM
They need to put up a gif of a dancing Elon on the webcast screen.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 05/26/2016 10:33 PM
Why can't they just start the hosted webcast at the planned time? I would love to see shots from the SpaceX factory for two hours, and perhaps the hosts run out of things to talk about and start spilling some secrets.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/26/2016 10:36 PM
Why can't they just start the hosted webcast at the planned time? I would love to see shots from the SpaceX factory for two hours, and perhaps the hosts run out of things to talk about and start spilling some secrets.

So in order not to spill all the goods, mars colonisation plans, hyper-detailed blueprints, accurate price charts into the public domain they have to launch on time? I like it. People would be moaning about scrubs less, that's for sure.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 05/26/2016 10:40 PM
Here is a link to an interesting map showing how territorial and international waters are laid out. To me, how the waters around Florida and Texas are divided up is interesting. I wonder if Spacex has to file with the Bahamas if they are going to land a rocket stage in their claimed economic zone?

Donut holes in international waters
http://donutholes.ch/
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: cartman on 05/26/2016 10:41 PM
I am just here to report that The SpaceX Scrubs Thread http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36507.0 is ready for action  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 05/26/2016 10:56 PM
I am just here to report that The SpaceX Scrubs Thread http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36507.0 is ready for action  ;D

Jinx.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: cartman on 05/26/2016 10:59 PM
I am just here to report that The SpaceX Scrubs Thread http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36507.0 is ready for action  ;D

Jinx.  ;D
They scrubbed about one minute after my post!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 05/26/2016 11:24 PM
I am just here to report that The SpaceX Scrubs Thread http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36507.0 is ready for action  ;D

Jinx.  ;D
They scrubbed about one minute after my post!

Why yes, they did... and that's can't be a coincidence, so therefor, it's a clear case of cause and effect. Please refrain from causing tomorrow's launch to scrub, too.  :P
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: starhawk92 on 05/26/2016 11:37 PM
The kids were so disappointed, we went back and watched the CRS-8 launch/landing.

It's still awesome -- withdrawal solved!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 05/26/2016 11:50 PM
Not to tempt fate, but the new server upgrades (with added cowbells) felt really good tonight. We didn't really surge, but we had a nice widening of the floodgates with a lot of people around the T-0 delay point. Site coped really well.

Mark says we have a lot more to implement, but that was a good, good start from my chair (I have a screen that shows real time visitations. We got to the level that would have pulled down the site a few years ago. Now it's fine. Trick is to be like this when we're surging harder than ever before, to cope with FH debut, etc.).
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sevenperforce on 05/27/2016 12:57 AM
My three year old was all kinds of excited to watch another launch and landing, so he was quite disappointed when I told him it was scrubbed.

Came into the living room a few minutes later and I saw that he had built some sort of tower out of those big Lego blocks. I asked him what it was, and he explained that the top half was the "wocketship" coming down to land on the boat. Proceeded to break it off and demonstrate.

Never. So. Proud.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 05/27/2016 03:11 AM
Cartman is on the Pad payroll.

Film at.. oh, let's say 7:39:01
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JAFO on 05/27/2016 03:50 AM
Have they accounted for Johnny?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DItgw1mU9Us (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DItgw1mU9Us)

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Toastmastern on 05/27/2016 08:33 AM
Not to tempt fate, but the new server upgrades (with added cowbells) felt really good tonight. We didn't really surge, but we had a nice widening of the floodgates with a lot of people around the T-0 delay point. Site coped really well.

Mark says we have a lot more to implement, but that was a good, good start from my chair (I have a screen that shows real time visitations. We got to the level that would have pulled down the site a few years ago. Now it's fine. Trick is to be like this when we're surging harder than ever before, to cope with FH debut, etc.).

I want live view of the visitations as well! :D Always wondering what they are at the surges
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: starhawk92 on 05/27/2016 02:05 PM
Here's the reason from the man...

So how does anyone examine & fix an actuator inside the 2nd stage at this point? It isn't like you can just open the hood or jack it up.
They can access the interstage like "tin snips guy" a few years back...

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=37476.620

So let me get this straight -- this dude is going to climb up into the rocket for a visual inspection?  How do you get THAT job, I would like it, please??

Don't tell me he did that during the first hold last night and said more time was needed???

Dude, the over-a-brew stories alone . . . . .
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: hans_ober on 05/27/2016 02:40 PM
So that's why they didn't start the webcast: They didn't want us to see a guy climb up the TE, swing over the LOX lines, unscrew a panel on the inter-stage, shove his hand through a hole, whack something with a wrench and then use duct tape to tighten something.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 05/27/2016 03:44 PM
So that's why they didn't start the webcast: They didn't want us to see a guy climb up the TE, swing over the LOX lines, unscrew a panel on the inter-stage, shove his hand through a hole, whack something with a wrench and then use duct tape to tighten something.

Seriously, with some of the stories of the stuff they've done to be able to launch in short order, I'm still amazed that NASA ever agreed to let them near their payloads.  That tin snips one always cracks me up.

PS- I don't think it was duct tape, I'm pretty sure he used a zip tie.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: hans_ober on 05/27/2016 05:13 PM
So that's why they didn't start the webcast: They didn't want us to see a guy climb up the TE, swing over the LOX lines, unscrew a panel on the inter-stage, shove his hand through a hole, whack something with a wrench and then use duct tape to tighten something.

Seriously, with some of the stories of the stuff they've done to be able to launch in short order, I'm still amazed that NASA ever agreed to let them near their payloads.  That tin snips one always cracks me up.

PS- I don't think it was duct tape, I'm pretty sure he used a zip tie.

What tin snips >?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: AS-503 on 05/27/2016 05:19 PM
So that's why they didn't start the webcast: They didn't want us to see a guy climb up the TE, swing over the LOX lines, unscrew a panel on the inter-stage, shove his hand through a hole, whack something with a wrench and then use duct tape to tighten something.

Seriously, with some of the stories of the stuff they've done to be able to launch in short order, I'm still amazed that NASA ever agreed to let them near their payloads.  That tin snips one always cracks me up.

PS- I don't think it was duct tape, I'm pretty sure he used a zip tie.

What tin snips >?


Google "SpaceX nozzle trim".

Get-r-done
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: whitelancer64 on 05/27/2016 05:21 PM
So that's why they didn't start the webcast: They didn't want us to see a guy climb up the TE, swing over the LOX lines, unscrew a panel on the inter-stage, shove his hand through a hole, whack something with a wrench and then use duct tape to tighten something.

Seriously, with some of the stories of the stuff they've done to be able to launch in short order, I'm still amazed that NASA ever agreed to let them near their payloads.  That tin snips one always cracks me up.

PS- I don't think it was duct tape, I'm pretty sure he used a zip tie.

What tin snips >?

On the COTS Demo 1 launch, during pre-launch inspection, a couple of small cracks were found on the second stage engine's nozzle extension. Rather than scrub the launch they sent up a guy with tin snips and trimmed off the portion of the nozzle extension with the cracks.

http://www.spacex.com/press/2012/12/19/update-cots-demo-1-launch-activities
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 05/27/2016 05:34 PM
I thought the tvc was supplied pressurized kerosene from the fuel turbo pump? If so how do they test motion when the rocket isn't running?

That is first stage, I believe second stage has EMA's

What is EMS?

EMS is Emergency Medical Services ...

http://www.ems.gov/ (http://www.ems.gov/)

"... but that's not important right now ..."
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/27/2016 06:08 PM
This has to be in the Party thread.  A landing pole...
pick yours...

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sevenperforce on 05/27/2016 06:49 PM
Or, the weather is so bad, it is a case of progressing to the final hold and then waiting until they can take a death-or-glory run to a potential hole in said weather at the other end of the terminal count.
The only thing I saw in that was "glory...hole".
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/27/2016 06:58 PM

EMS is Emergency Medical Services ...

http://www.ems.gov/ (http://www.ems.gov/)

"... but that's not important right now ..."

Since we might be waiting a while, could always wander down to EMS to camp and wait for the launch.

http://www.ems.com/
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/27/2016 07:30 PM
Time to camp out in the party thread waiting for lunch. Seems my last post was deemed too celebratory for the discussion thread.

Next time I will just have to celebrate in the updates thread!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Scylla on 05/27/2016 07:52 PM
Coast Guard moving into position to sink encroaching encourage encroaching ships to stay out of the zone.
https://www.vesselfinder.com/?mmsi=369493623
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/27/2016 08:00 PM
Why do they need to sink them, when Elon build the ultimate boat barge BBQ machine!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sevenperforce on 05/27/2016 08:23 PM
It's like what Tony Stark said. The best weapon is not the weapon you never need to use. The best weapon is the weapon you only need to use once.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/27/2016 08:37 PM
It's like what Tony Stark said. The best weapon is not the weapon you never need to use. The best weapon is the weapon you only need to use once.
It's not a weapon, it's a way to convey boat barge loads of finger licking good BBQ to Davey Jones in quantity!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dgates on 05/27/2016 08:39 PM
Might taste a bit like kerosene, however
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 05/27/2016 08:48 PM
I've long been puzzled by SpaceX's development and use of the F9 first stage as an Anti-ASDS-Missile-System (AAMS).  The terminal approach sequence is decidedly sub-optimal (the final burn should take place with the engines orientated upward, in order to increase, not decrease, impact velocity.)

However... it does make sense in cases where very precise maneuvering in order to hit a small moving target is the goal. Therefor, I'm wondering if the real goal of the AAMS is not sinking ASDSs, but rather going after the infamous wayward boats that often scrub launches? Landing an F9 on a wayward sailboat or two would, after all, be a useful deterrent to future exclusion-area-intruders.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CorvusCorax on 05/27/2016 09:10 PM
yay, party has started, we have the space music on!!!!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/27/2016 09:16 PM
Time to camp out in the party thread waiting for lunch. Seems my last post was deemed too celebratory for the discussion thread.

Next time I will just have to celebrate in the updates thread!

Welcome aboard... very little disturbs us here.  and puns, etc are the currency.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Zed_Noir on 05/27/2016 09:19 PM
We got live webcast
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 05/27/2016 09:20 PM
Time to camp out in the party thread waiting for lunch. Seems my last post was deemed too celebratory for the discussion thread.

Next time I will just have to celebrate in the updates thread!

I'm here waiting for lunch too. However, SpaceX is no help; their webcast is talking about launch, but so far, no mention of lunch.

I'm hungry, darn it!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Saabstory88 on 05/27/2016 09:22 PM
I'm actually fully prepared to watch this launch...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: toruonu on 05/27/2016 09:27 PM
Technical webcast seems to have a bug .... walking on the camera ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Craftyatom on 05/27/2016 09:28 PM
BugX is go.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Prober on 05/27/2016 09:29 PM
and Joining us.....


Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 05/27/2016 09:29 PM
I'm actually fully prepared to watch this launch...

Wow, that's some setup!

I'm more limited; I'm only using two of my monitors (I only have 3), one on the SpaceX webcast and the other on the technical. I can't go full scree on both at the same time or it crashes for some reason.

And yipes, the technical webcast just showed a wasp that's significantly larger than the F9! (either that, or the wasp is on the camera lens..)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/27/2016 09:35 PM
and Joining us.....

I have heard of rocket cows, but it seems we have a rocket hornet now too...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Meltro on 05/27/2016 09:37 PM
Was that....an Elon Musk as Han Solo T-shirt?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JebK on 05/27/2016 09:38 PM
I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: tyrred on 05/27/2016 09:38 PM
Oh, to be a Rocket Hornet right now...

Toasty!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: tyrred on 05/27/2016 09:39 PM
Let's light this candle!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Meltro on 05/27/2016 09:43 PM
God I hope they keep transmitting that camera on S1 while it comes down
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: jimbowman on 05/27/2016 09:44 PM
God I hope they keep transmitting that camera on S1 while it comes down

Pretty sweet new addition to the stream.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rhyshaelkan on 05/27/2016 09:46 PM
those fins. That view... holy crap what a view.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Halidon on 05/27/2016 09:47 PM
Good lord does S1 move on its way down
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Meltro on 05/27/2016 09:48 PM
3 in a row!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: jimbowman on 05/27/2016 09:48 PM
YES!!!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rhyshaelkan on 05/27/2016 09:48 PM
yeah buddy!!!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Craftyatom on 05/27/2016 09:49 PM
FOUR MORE CORES!  FOUR MORE CORES!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: andrewsdanj on 05/27/2016 09:49 PM
Dare I say they made that look easy? On-board video of the entry burn ROCKED too!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/27/2016 09:49 PM
a good luck hornet apparently...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: abaddon on 05/27/2016 09:50 PM
Ho-hum, another 1st stage landing successful...

(First one I've viewed live since Orbcomm-2 so I am pumped!)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: tyrred on 05/27/2016 09:51 PM
Fiery grid fin view left me SMOKED!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 05/27/2016 09:52 PM
I think I should start a speculative business in large-scale storage in Florida. I think demand is growing right now.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: akm on 05/27/2016 09:52 PM
That just made my first beer of the holiday weekend taste a lot better, now a few more for the coast

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ben the Space Brit on 05/27/2016 09:52 PM
Is it wrong of me that I'm getting slightly blasé about stage 1 landings now? ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 05/27/2016 09:53 PM
Nice, they made it look easy.... lovely camera work

Now, I have to launch myself ... running to my gate
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MATTBLAK on 05/27/2016 09:53 PM
Yup; getting it right does matter!! ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 05/27/2016 09:54 PM
Ok PTZtv initiate gimbal ckeck! :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Bubbinski on 05/27/2016 09:56 PM
Now the anti-ASDS missile program is looking sickly. That's 3 straight times OCISLY has captured a trophy! :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: HankinNM on 05/27/2016 09:56 PM
My first launch/landing viewed...Wow, I AM PUMPED!!!  WAYTOGO, SPACEX!!!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: RocketEconomist327 on 05/27/2016 09:56 PM
The first stage re-entry from the first stage point of view was pure, 100 percent, triple X space(x) pornography. 

All of us watching were simply in amazement.  Breath taking.  Glorious. 

Admit it - that was some good... stuff.  That new POV... wow.

VR
RE327
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: cebri on 05/27/2016 09:56 PM
It hasn't landed right on the middle, total failure.  ;D

That live view from the 1st stage coming back down was totally amazing.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris_Pi on 05/27/2016 09:59 PM
That S1 camera footage was a nice surprise. got to see the waffle iron pre-heat and everything. 8)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 05/27/2016 10:06 PM
I think SpaceX should publish an album with all their background music together. I, for one, would buy 'Get funky with SpaceX', and make every thread a party thread.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Craftyatom on 05/27/2016 10:12 PM
Towel reference from one of the hosts!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 05/27/2016 10:15 PM
I think I should start a speculative business in large-scale storage in Florida. I think demand is growing right now.

The NASA VAB is mostly empty. SpaceX should rent a bay and hang the used boosters vertically.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 05/27/2016 10:17 PM
That S1 camera footage was a nice surprise. got to see the waffle iron pre-heat and everything. 8)

And I forgot the blueberries and sausage. Could've been a breakfast for the ages at transonic speeds.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: UberNobody on 05/27/2016 10:18 PM
So now that the thread is fully and rapidly reusable, it's time for the rocket to do the same ;)

Go, SpaceX go!

Four more cores?  We need to extend term limits...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 05/27/2016 10:20 PM
That S1 camera footage was a nice surprise. got to see the waffle iron pre-heat and everything. 8)

And I forgot the blueberries and sausage. Could've been a breakfast for the ages at transonic speeds.
The sausages keep rolling off the grid on entry.. :(. Need a work-around.... ???
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 05/27/2016 10:21 PM
That S1 camera footage was a nice surprise. got to see the waffle iron pre-heat and everything. 8)

There are going to be a lot of hot, smoking "grid fins" operating over BBQ's this weekend, also. ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: cebri on 05/27/2016 10:22 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cjfoa1gUYAARd1M.jpg)

Amazing  :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: NovaSilisko on 05/27/2016 10:23 PM
Just waiting for a full shot of the landed core, and I can update this...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 05/27/2016 10:24 PM
Just waiting for a full shot of the landed core, and I can update this...

I was about to create the same image, good work! Maybe add an Elon face too?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 05/27/2016 10:29 PM
elonmusk: Rocket landing speed was close to design max & used up contingency crush core, hence back & forth motion. Prob ok, but some risk of tipping.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/736320322996076548

Go home, Thaicom first stage. You're drunk.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: NovaSilisko on 05/27/2016 10:29 PM
elonmusk: Rocket landing speed was close to design max & used up contingency crush core, hence back & forth motion. Prob ok, but some risk of tipping.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/736320322996076548

Go home, Thaicom first stage. You're drunk.

Don't blame the stage, the designated driver is the one that's a bit tipsy.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Toastmastern on 05/27/2016 10:30 PM
elonmusk: Rocket landing speed was close to design max & used up contingency crush core, hence back & forth motion. Prob ok, but some risk of tipping.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/736320322996076548

Go home, Thaicom first stage. You're drunk.

Leave it alone it's high on life :D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 05/27/2016 10:32 PM
Send that wasp over to the port camera to polish-up the lens... :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 05/27/2016 10:35 PM
Launch replay muted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNLZntSdyKE
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Stan-1967 on 05/27/2016 10:42 PM
The latest in summer BBQ utensils...just in time for Memorial day
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 05/27/2016 10:51 PM
Send that wasp over to the port camera to polish-up the lens... :)

It will see the grid fins and get mad.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 05/27/2016 11:27 PM
Congrats SpaceX, Orbcomm, Thaicom...

Sure.  Why not?  Congrats Orbcomm.  I'm not totally clear on exactly what you did today, but we're all in such good spirits after watching that.  So, bravo.   ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 05/27/2016 11:35 PM
I think we are forgetting about the big loser of all these rocket recovery and reusability developments:

The beachcombers.

Right now we still get stories every few months about someone finding a piece of a rocket here or there. But if every rocket goes to its assigned recovery station in one piece, this fine sport will soon be extinct.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 05/28/2016 12:04 AM
I've long been puzzled by SpaceX's development and use of the F9 first stage as an Anti-ASDS-Missile-System (AAMS).  The terminal approach sequence is decidedly sub-optimal (the final burn should take place with the engines orientated upward, in order to increase, not decrease, impact velocity.)

However... it does make sense in cases where very precise maneuvering in order to hit a small moving target is the goal. Therefor, I'm wondering if the real goal of the AAMS is not sinking ASDSs, but rather going after the infamous wayward boats that often scrub launches? Landing an F9 on a wayward sailboat or two would, after all, be a useful deterrent to future exclusion-area-intruders.

The reason you've been puzzled is because it isn't an anti-ship weapon.  It's really only been designed as an anti-person weapon.  The goal isn't to destroy the ships; ships are valuable.  The goal is just to kill the captain and then capture/commandeer the ship.  So, they are practicing a sneak attack where they fall out of the sky and land right on top of the captain while he is unsuspectingly walking the deck.  Once the captain is crushed, the F9 turns to the rest of the crew and says, "Hey, look at me.  I'm the captain now!"
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: NovaSilisko on 05/28/2016 12:59 AM
So, they are practicing a sneak attack where they fall out of the sky and land right on top of the captain while he is unsuspectingly walking the deck.

Ahh, the classic Mario Strategem.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 05/28/2016 01:01 AM
I've long been puzzled by SpaceX's development and use of the F9 first stage as an Anti-ASDS-Missile-System (AAMS).  The terminal approach sequence is decidedly sub-optimal (the final burn should take place with the engines orientated upward, in order to increase, not decrease, impact velocity.)

However... it does make sense in cases where very precise maneuvering in order to hit a small moving target is the goal. Therefor, I'm wondering if the real goal of the AAMS is not sinking ASDSs, but rather going after the infamous wayward boats that often scrub launches? Landing an F9 on a wayward sailboat or two would, after all, be a useful deterrent to future exclusion-area-intruders.

The reason you've been puzzled is because it isn't an anti-ship weapon.  It's really only been designed as an anti-person weapon.  The goal isn't to destroy the ships; ships are valuable.  The goal is just to kill the captain and then capture/commandeer the ship.  So, they are practicing a sneak attack where they fall out of the sky and land right on top of the captain while he is unsuspectingly walking the deck.  Once the captain is crushed, the F9 turns to the rest of the crew and says, "Hey, look at me.  I'm the captain now!"

Ahhh... That would explain much, including why the SpaceX flag looks so much like the Jolly Roger.

Hrmmm... I wonder if that could explain the mission where the F9 missed missed the ASDS by 5 miles: A contingency in case the captain preemptively abandons ship?
 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 05/28/2016 01:23 AM
You guys are on to something....

... or just on something.

I'm not sure which.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: darkenfast on 05/28/2016 01:51 AM
You all missed the important message in the webcast.  The ghost of Ian M. Banks wished to remind us that he also wrote mainstream novels (published as Ian Banks), and, in fact, his first published book was...wait for it..."The Wasp Factory".  It's about a psychopathic teenager in Scotland.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Retired Downrange on 05/28/2016 02:08 AM
Awesome!

First stage landing (sped up) https://www.instagram.com/p/BF7sxM9QES7/?hl=en

...and don't forget your towel ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: abaddon on 05/28/2016 02:09 AM
That is AMAZING!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris_Pi on 05/28/2016 03:47 AM
You guys are on to something....

... or just on something.

I'm not sure which.

Why can't it be both? ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Joffan on 05/28/2016 05:00 AM
Falcon 9: I've got a crush on you!
Drone ship: Of course I still love you
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: yokem55 on 05/28/2016 05:42 AM
The landing video from the stage's perspective brought to mind this FireFly quote:
Quote
ZOE: Planet's coming up a mite fast.
WASH: That's just cause I'm going down too quick. (panicky voice, trying to be jovial) Likely crash and kill us all.
MAL: Well, that happens, let me know.

Somehow I think it will be a while before we can be as blasé as Mal...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Oersted on 05/28/2016 12:21 PM
...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Semmel on 05/28/2016 05:23 PM
The reason you've been puzzled is because it isn't an anti-ship weapon.  It's really only been designed as an anti-person weapon.  The goal isn't to destroy the ships; ships are valuable.  The goal is just to kill the captain and then capture/commandeer the ship.  So, they are practicing a sneak attack where they fall out of the sky and land right on top of the captain while he is unsuspectingly walking the deck.  Once the captain is crushed, the F9 turns to the rest of the crew and says, "Hey, look at me.  I'm the captain now!"

That make perfect sense, FINALLY, I understand! The red cherry picker is the captain! Thats why they tried to kill it with the first stage.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Flying Beaver on 05/28/2016 05:33 PM
Almost as good as Im On A Boat xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3HGZ4-AhGI
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ronpur50 on 05/28/2016 07:48 PM
Was that....an Elon Musk as Han Solo T-shirt?

Yes, it was.  And in all of this excitement, I can't believe this isn't getting more coverage!   I want one!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 05/28/2016 09:03 PM
(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/54145c0fecad04890170e1f8-480/jeff-bezos-sad.jpg)
Jeff Bezos has a sad thinking about all the patent royalties he's not getting.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 05/28/2016 09:40 PM
You're saying we should get it on Amazon? And then check the option for delivery by VTVL rocket?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: corrodedNut on 05/28/2016 10:04 PM
The solution to the landing video is not to try and slow it down, but to watch it while listening to the appropriate waltz...at double speed!

http://crossfade.io/#!/x9vzgoxa44
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Flying Beaver on 05/29/2016 04:15 AM
Landed a rocket on a my barge "I'll Make You Pancakes?" in Kerbal Space Program.
Damn its hard, took about 20 tries, SpX really makes it look easy xD.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 05/29/2016 03:32 PM
Landed a rocket on a my barge "I'll Make You Pancakes?" in Kerbal Space Program.
Damn its hard, took about 20 tries, SpX really makes it look easy xD.

Don't feel bad, they did their own simulations far, far more than 20 times.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/spacex-is-using-these-simulations-to-design-the-rocket-thatll-take-us-to-mars
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: tinorex on 05/30/2016 10:37 AM
Hello.

All CRS-6/SpX-6 Landing Bingo prizes have arrived!!!

Thank you for entertaining game, L2 access and cool prizes :-).

Tino.

(http://i.imgur.com/gKydLbB.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/WeNh4MI.jpg)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rst on 05/30/2016 02:21 PM
Well, it seems that despite SpaceX's recent string of success in landing attempts, there are still some skeptics about the viability of the whole approach.  And the shape of the earth...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLE-ocDoXrs
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Mongo62 on 05/30/2016 02:53 PM
Well, it seems that despite SpaceX's recent string of success in landing attempts, there are still some skeptics about the viability of the whole approach.  And the shape of the earth...

Whatever you do, don't read the comments on the Youtube page with the recent stage 1 full reentry video. They are infested with flat-Earthers and other conspiracy theorists who insist that the video must be fake. I made the mistake of reading them for 10 minutes. That's 10 minutes I will never get back.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 05/30/2016 03:41 PM
Whatever you do, don't read the comments on the Youtube page with the recent stage 1 full reentry video. They are infested with flat-Earthers and other conspiracy theorists who insist that the video must be fake. I made the mistake of reading them for 10 minutes. That's 10 minutes I will never get back.

I just chalk it up to expert-level trolling and try see the humor in it. I don't let it get me too bent out of shape. L. Ron Hubbard said “you don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.” Likewise, you don't get 836,943 views on YouTube congratulating SpaceX for a job well done. And in any case, any one of us could probably write a far more persuasive script with our eyes closed.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: WindnWar on 05/30/2016 04:13 PM
Well, it seems that despite SpaceX's recent string of success in landing attempts, there are still some skeptics about the viability of the whole approach.  And the shape of the earth...

Whatever you do, don't read the comments on the Youtube page with the recent stage 1 full reentry video. They are infested with flat-Earthers and other conspiracy theorists who insist that the video must be fake. I made the mistake of reading them for 10 minutes. That's 10 minutes I will never get back.

I suggest they arrange a private viewing event for these skeptics, on the barge.  ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 05/30/2016 09:19 PM
I suggest they arrange a private viewing event for these skeptics, on the barge.  ;)
Moon is a Harsh Mistress reference FTW!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: burgi on 05/30/2016 09:32 PM
Was that....an Elon Musk as Han Solo T-shirt?

Yes, it was.  And in all of this excitement, I can't believe this isn't getting more coverage!   I want one!

I think it is Han(s) Koenigsmann on this cool shirt.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 05/30/2016 10:01 PM
Give that man a "Make America Great Again" hat... ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Craig_VG on 05/30/2016 11:44 PM
Was that....an Elon Musk as Han Solo T-shirt?

Yes, it was.  And in all of this excitement, I can't believe this isn't getting more coverage!   I want one!

I think it is Han(s) Koenigsmann on this cool shirt.

Yep! Ben Higginbotham confirmed that during his last tmro show
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Elvis in Space on 05/31/2016 02:30 PM
Whatever you do, don't read the comments on the Youtube page with the recent stage 1 full reentry video. They are infested with flat-Earthers and other conspiracy theorists who insist that the video must be fake. I made the mistake of reading them for 10 minutes. That's 10 minutes I will never get back.

I just chalk it up to expert-level trolling and try see the humor in it. I don't let it get me too bent out of shape. L. Ron Hubbard said “you don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.” Likewise, you don't get 836,943 views on YouTube congratulating SpaceX for a job well done. And in any case, any one of us could probably write a far more persuasive script with our eyes closed.

Sad thing is that for everyone who is in on the joke there are others who miss the point and pick up the cause. YouTube is the golden idol of idiot worship and there are a lot of followers out there that would make the original Luddites green with envy.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dorkmo on 05/31/2016 08:40 PM
here it comes!!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Jarnis on 05/31/2016 08:41 PM
Now now, it is not leaning that much...  ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 05/31/2016 08:53 PM
Today's NSF article,
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2016/05/orbital-atks-antares-rocket-static-fire-mars/

holds a major revelation, one we'll be kicking ourselves for not seeing sooner!

SpaceX has always made Mars its goal. NASA likewise is doing #journeytomars, and recently SpaceX announced that it was going to send a dragon to Mars in 2018.

Yet, per the article, especially its title, we see that we've been making false assumptions at to what they mean! See it yet? I'll make it easier; Orbital ATK is about to perform a static fire. Where? Mars!

It all makes sense now; that's the Mars (Mid Atlantic Regional Spaceport) that SpaceX and Nasa have as their goal! This is excellent news, because the Delta/V requirements to get there are lower than the planet we've been wrongly assuming they meant.

The question must be asked: how did we not see this before? 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 05/31/2016 08:55 PM
Problem is, when they get there, they are going to find the PadX flag flying proud...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CorvusCorax on 05/31/2016 09:04 PM
btw, why is the forum software correcting Pad-X (when written without the dash) to just Pad?
Is that a practical joke from some of the mods, or some auto-correct gone haywire?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 05/31/2016 09:08 PM
btw, why is the forum software correcting Pad-X (when written without the dash) to just Pad?
Is that a practical joke from some of the mods, or some auto-correct gone haywire?
not me! It just bit me too. I'll ask Chris...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 05/31/2016 09:14 PM
here it comes!!
(Edit: by the way this a representation of Vasco de Gama)
"Vasco da Gama, 1st Count of Vidigueira, (Portuguese pronunciation: [ˈvaʃku ðɐ ˈɣɐmɐ]; c. 1460s – 24 December 1524) was a Portuguese explorer. He was the first European to reach India by sea, linking Europe and Asia for the first time by an ocean route, as well as connecting the Atlantic and the Indian oceans, and in this way, the West and the Orient. This was accomplished by completion of his first voyage to India (1497–1499)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasco_da_Gama
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: WindnWar on 05/31/2016 10:16 PM
I know why it's leaning, they stuck all the goo experiments on that side of the rocket, trying to get as many points as possible for science research, but the mass has it imbalanced.

Typical rookie mistake.  ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 05/31/2016 10:24 PM
In the words of the Thaicom 8 first stage just as it landed, "Whoopie! Man, that may have been a small one for JCSat 14, but that's a long one for me."
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dgates on 05/31/2016 11:04 PM
We'll just have to refer to this first stage as "Ol' Tippy" from now on!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 06/01/2016 01:36 AM
btw, why is the forum software correcting Pad-X (when written without the dash) to just Pad?
Is that a practical joke from some of the mods, or some auto-correct gone haywire?
not me! It just bit me too. I'll ask Chris...
Chris banned it years ago when one SpaceX launch was severely delayed and 5000 party thread pages later it had become a meme that had gone to Mars and back several times to many.

Just use the search function to find the first reference of it in the party threads and then shoot forward 20,000 pages to where Chris lowered the boom!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Paul Howard on 06/01/2016 01:42 AM
Four stages returned. Three won't refly. SpaceX fans:

(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-06/18/21/enhanced/webdr02/anigif_enhanced-2178-1434676529-2.gif)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: RotoSequence on 06/01/2016 02:05 AM
Four stages returned. Three won't refly. SpaceX fans:

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-06/18/21/enhanced/webdr02/anigif_enhanced-2178-1434676529-2.gif

What is it you wish to imply? Stage recovery was never the end of the road to reuse, but rather a big step towards it. In my opinion, it's a minor miracle that SpaceX believes they have a booster in good enough condition to reuse some of the parts already.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dorkmo on 06/01/2016 05:17 AM
strapping in for ol tippy thaicom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmNgptwhSEQ
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 06/01/2016 11:24 AM
Four stages returned. Three won't refly. SpaceX fans:

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-06/18/21/enhanced/webdr02/anigif_enhanced-2178-1434676529-2.gif

What is it you wish to imply? Stage recovery was never the end of the road to reuse, but rather a big step towards it. In my opinion, it's a minor miracle that SpaceX believes they have a booster in good enough condition to reuse some of the parts already.
So it's kinda what I do when I buy a bunch of "parts cars"... to restore "one"... ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Joaosg on 06/01/2016 12:45 PM
Four stages returned. Three won't refly. SpaceX fans:

(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-06/18/21/enhanced/webdr02/anigif_enhanced-2178-1434676529-2.gif)

3? You are funny. I only count 2 (OG2 at Hawthorne and JCSAT at McGregor).
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Mader Levap on 06/01/2016 02:17 PM
Four stages returned.
Is this sound of goalposts moving? I guess naysayers always will have some reason to complain, eh?

Three won't refly.

Two, not three. Status of last stage is unknown. You (and almost all of us)  have no way to know how useable is last stage yet. That you already assume this stage can't be reused is telling.

And what exactly you mean? That in future only one per 4 recovered stages will be useable? And it will be that way forever, without impovement or fixes?

What a moronically disingenuous statement.
While I appreciate the thought you put into your statement I'm not sure I agree with the conclusion you apparently came up with.

edit/Lar: PoliteJim 3000 works on other people's posts too.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 06/01/2016 02:18 PM
How many days til the next launch? I need to know how big of a Methadone order I need to keep from going into withdrawl ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/01/2016 06:20 PM
I just hope this F9 knows to wait for the crane and not use those landing legs....

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT77Y2ShTEdvCfBez6/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/01/2016 06:41 PM
I just hope this F9 knows to wait for the crane and not use those landing legs....

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT77Y2ShTEdvCfBez6/giphy.gif)

Go drunk, robot, you're home.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Jonathan_Blatter on 06/01/2016 07:24 PM
Asimo from Honda has managed that task already 10 years ago
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 06/01/2016 07:34 PM
Asimo from Honda has managed that task already 10 years ago
Watch that first step, it's a doozy!! :o
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 06/01/2016 08:06 PM
I just hope this F9 knows to wait for the crane and not use those landing legs....

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT77Y2ShTEdvCfBez6/giphy.gif)

The scenes Battlestar Galactica (and Caprica) never showed you.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Barrie on 06/01/2016 09:35 PM
Given the bizarre events outside Port Canaveral, I think the sister ship to OCISLY should be called It's Not Always About You. (never mind if it's canonical...)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: xtc on 06/01/2016 09:48 PM
If current course continues for a while I'll be leaving for the port soon. I'll try not to include any extraneous Fishlips margaritas in the pictures  8)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: leetdan on 06/01/2016 09:51 PM
So who else has "bent/crushed" on their ASDS Thread Bingo card?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ClayJar on 06/01/2016 10:56 PM
So, I nominate for the official stage return party song:  "Come On, I Lean"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc-P8oDuS0Q

Too-ra-loo-ra, too-ra-loo-rye, aye  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: RotoSequence on 06/01/2016 11:00 PM
Fishing out an HD vid is always worth it over 144p.  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBh6nFIn5t0
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 06/01/2016 11:18 PM
Ah, it must be "dueling musical interlude" time... 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5jlPL1tNDY
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 06/01/2016 11:40 PM
What's all this stuff about the F9 on OCISLY leaning?

It's not leaning, it's merely reposing at a rakish angle.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 06/01/2016 11:59 PM
What's all this stuff about the F9 on OCISLY leaning?

It's not leaning, it's merely reposing at a rakish angle.
Like this?? 8)
http://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-james-dean
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 06/02/2016 12:13 AM
What's all this stuff about the F9 on OCISLY leaning?

It's not leaning, it's merely reposing at a rakish angle.
Like this?? 8)
http://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-james-dean

Yes, exactly! Even down to the cigarette... the F9 has, after all, been seen smoking.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ClayJar on 06/02/2016 12:45 AM
Fishing out an HD vid is always worth it over 144p.  ;D

Surely, you're not alleging that a lyric video is an improvement over the original music video.  Even if it's old and ugly video, you can't top the wonder that it is.  Still, I'll give you it could be better, so for a slightly better quality version, likely all you'll get from an old SD music video, here you are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVxcwe7EcaY
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: RotoSequence on 06/02/2016 01:28 AM
Fishing out an HD vid is always worth it over 144p.  ;D

Surely, you're not alleging that a lyric video is an improvement over the original music video.  Even if it's old and ugly video, you can't top the wonder that it is.  Still, I'll give you it could be better, so for a slightly better quality version, likely all you'll get from an old SD music video, here you are:

What can I say? I'm a bit of a stickler for audio.  ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 06/02/2016 02:20 AM
Passover was a month ago, so it's not that...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: yokem55 on 06/02/2016 03:33 AM
What's all this stuff about the F9 on OCISLY leaning?

It's not leaning, it's merely reposing at a rakish angle.
Like this?? 8)
http://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-james-dean

Yes, exactly! Even down to the cigarette... the F9 has, after all, been seen smoking.
Smoking.. Nah, Falcon's are vaping like all  the cool kids..
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 06/02/2016 07:21 AM
What's all this stuff about the F9 on OCISLY leaning?

It's not leaning, it's merely reposing at a rakish angle.
Like this?? 8)
http://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-james-dean

Yes, exactly! Even down to the cigarette... the F9 has, after all, been seen smoking.
Smoking.. Nah, Falcon's are vaping like all  the cool kids..
Don't those thing tend to explode?? :o
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: RotoSequence on 06/02/2016 07:24 AM
Don't those thing tend to explode?? :o

Shoddy wiring plus lithium polymer battery packs equals explosion hazards.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 06/02/2016 07:37 AM
Don't those thing tend to explode?? :o

Shoddy wiring plus lithium polymer battery packs equals explosion hazards.
Lets hope our "leaning Falcon with an attitude" doesn't come to that!! ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dodo on 06/02/2016 08:27 AM
Cruise captain at Port Canaveral: "Dear passengers, if you direct your attention to the starboard side, you'll notice a barge carrying a SpaceX rocket. I must warn you that the rocket is tilted and, if it tips over, it will... well, explode."

* General panic ensues on board
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ccicchitelli on 06/02/2016 04:32 PM
I have a solution to the stage sliding problem. Elon needs to use Tesla's snake cable technology to have snakes emerge vertically from the deck and automatically attach themselves to hardpoints on the rocket :)

(https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/QMVBdiWJUSKMFmBj6OtJbjgxn8o=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3946384/tesla60fps.0.gif)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Meltro on 06/02/2016 05:10 PM
How, here of all places, does James Dean come out as the poster boy of the lean? There's only one spaceman that knows how to rock an angle

(http://i.imgur.com/aAfxOpq.png)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Joffan on 06/02/2016 06:57 PM
Clearly the ASDS crew need  the chance of quicker action in future, and given the acoustic stress of landing it only makes sense to wait safely underwater nearby. Fortunately we know who (http://"https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/18/tesla-elon-musk-james-bond-lotus-submarine-car") owns this car:
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: xtc on 06/02/2016 07:23 PM
Starting the party in this party thread.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: NovaSilisko on 06/02/2016 08:47 PM
At last, I can update this. By this time next year, I expect his face to not even be visible anymore behind all the cores.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 06/02/2016 09:25 PM
At last, I can update this. By this time next year, I expect his face to not even be visible anymore behind all the cores.
You're assuming they will still have all those cores and the barge defense system will not have taken a few out.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 06/02/2016 10:49 PM
Starting the party in this party thread.

In that pic, the straw is very reminiscent of the F9's rakish repose.

Hey, maybe that's why! The F9 is indicating it wants to go to one of those waterfront bars for a drink. That's quite reasonable, given that the crew probably get to go there, so why not the F9? Surely it deserves a night out on the town, and OCISLY too?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 06/03/2016 01:33 PM
Well, the Falcon 9 is already a little tipsy...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Johnnyhinbos on 06/04/2016 02:13 PM

I thought this was scheduled for late June? It's now June 14th?

Did we just see a schedule slip to the left, rather than the right? If so, that's the first time I've ever seen that, from anyone. 8)

Another sign of how amateurish SpaceX is. Schedule slips left and right!

Because SpaceX managed to do something faster, somehow they're amateurs. Oh they don't have a lot of fat in their schedules. They don't accept putting some padding in just in case.
I my opinion it just shows how serious they are about fulfilling their manifest.
Uh, I think it was fairly obvious that was meant as a joke...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: macpacheco on 06/04/2016 02:14 PM
Because SpaceX managed to do something faster, somehow they're amateurs. Oh they don't have a lot of fat in their schedules. They don't accept putting some padding in just in case.
I my opinion it just shows how serious they are about fulfilling their manifest.
Uh, I think it was fairly obvious that was meant as a joke...
[/quote]
Damn, that's what happens when you live in the USA for 8 years and move back home for 15...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Prettz on 06/04/2016 02:25 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/OJBenvF.gif)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Perchlorate on 06/04/2016 02:32 PM
Clever/sharp like a scalpel...you've dropped a quart of blood before you realize you've been cut!  In Mac's defense, I don't even have a second language, much less am I smart enough to recognize wordplay, idioms and sarcasm in a second language!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 06/04/2016 06:24 PM
I thought this was scheduled for late June? It's now June 14th?

Did we just see a schedule slip to the left, rather than the right? If so, that's the first time I've ever seen that, from anyone. 8)

Another sign of how amateurish SpaceX is. Schedule slips left and right!

I unreservedly agree! Also, SpaceX still has a ways to go yet; they've yet to demonstrate the ability to slip a schedule simultaneously left and right. Also, they're utterly incapable, so far as I know, of slipping left a greater number of days than the T-count. 

Also, I can't help but note, they're way behind on re-usability. They've yet to turn around an F9 for reuse, but Chris Bergin, in far less time (I assume?) created this reusable thread, and has already turned it around for reuse!  :o

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 06/04/2016 06:45 PM
I thought this was scheduled for late June? It's now June 14th?

Did we just see a schedule slip to the left, rather than the right? If so, that's the first time I've ever seen that, from anyone. 8)

Another sign of how amateurish SpaceX is. Schedule slips left and right!

I unreservedly agree! Also, SpaceX still has a ways to go yet; they've yet to demonstrate the ability to slip a schedule simultaneously left and right. Also, they're utterly incapable, so far as I know, of slipping left a greater number of days than the T-count. 

Also, I can't help but note, they're way behind on re-usability. They've yet to turn around an F9 for reuse, but Chris Bergin, in far less time (I assume?) created this reusable thread, and has already turned it around for reuse!  :o

NASAspaceflight's endgoal of thread reuse has been happening for months. We're ahead of the curve!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dodo on 06/05/2016 01:38 PM
[...]nice 3-body problem animation[...]
Oh well, now I live in fear of an asteroid passing close to the moon and being slingshotted in a random direction, thankyouverymuch.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Jarnis on 06/05/2016 04:02 PM
I thought this was scheduled for late June? It's now June 14th?

Did we just see a schedule slip to the left, rather than the right? If so, that's the first time I've ever seen that, from anyone. 8)

Another sign of how amateurish SpaceX is. Schedule slips left and right!

I unreservedly agree! Also, SpaceX still has a ways to go yet; they've yet to demonstrate the ability to slip a schedule simultaneously left and right. Also, they're utterly incapable, so far as I know, of slipping left a greater number of days than the T-count. 

Also, I can't help but note, they're way behind on re-usability. They've yet to turn around an F9 for reuse, but Chris Bergin, in far less time (I assume?) created this reusable thread, and has already turned it around for reuse!  :o

NASAspaceflight's endgoal of thread reuse has been happening for months. We're ahead of the curve!

Still somewhat unproven. We do not know how many launches a single party thread can handle. I'm sure there is eventually a limit. 10 launches? 20? we'll have to wait and see...

Low refurb costs, I must admit.

 ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 06/05/2016 05:31 PM
NASAspaceflight's endgoal of thread reuse has been happening for months. We're ahead of the curve!

Still somewhat unproven. We do not know how many launches a single party thread can handle. I'm sure there is eventually a limit. 10 launches? 20? we'll have to wait and see...

We'll probably need a full teardown about every 10 launches or so...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 06/05/2016 07:09 PM
NASAspaceflight's endgoal of thread reuse has been happening for months. We're ahead of the curve!

Still somewhat unproven. We do not know how many launches a single party thread can handle. I'm sure there is eventually a limit. 10 launches? 20? we'll have to wait and see...

We'll probably need a full teardown about every 10 launches or so...

Is reuse even viable at that rate? What's the timeframe and overhead on a full thread teardown? What's the cost inflection point? What's the refurb procedure after a full teardown, and what's the total use lifespan? Reusable threads aren't Legos that can be just pulled apart and snapped back together!   
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 06/05/2016 07:20 PM
It all depends if this thread "has the legs"... ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: baldusi on 06/05/2016 07:27 PM
Party threads are not Lego elements!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: baldusi on 06/05/2016 07:35 PM
AIUI, thread currently have a useful life of 500 posts. So, if they locked it down and started a second thread, it would not really be reusable.
To really make ir reusable they should create and Party Archive Thread and move the first 500 (after the opening post) posts to the Archive Thread. That would really make it the first reusable thread from a strictly technical point of view.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: meberbs on 06/05/2016 07:45 PM
AIUI, thread currently have a useful life of 500 posts. So, if they locked it down and started a second thread, it would not really be reusable.
To really make ir reusable they should create and Party Archive Thread and move the first 500 (after the opening post) posts to the Archive Thread. That would really make it the first reusable thread from a strictly technical point of view.

That is unnecessary, we are already at 600+ posts in this thread and it is working fine. Unless you meant pages? I think I remember seeing a 400+ page thread, and I know the last thread for barge stalking got to 300+ pages.

(20 posts per page)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: baldusi on 06/05/2016 10:33 PM
AIUI, thread currently have a useful life of 500 posts. So, if they locked it down and started a second thread, it would not really be reusable.
To really make ir reusable they should create and Party Archive Thread and move the first 500 (after the opening post) posts to the Archive Thread. That would really make it the first reusable thread from a strictly technical point of view.

That is unnecessary, we are already at 600+ posts in this thread and it is working fine. Unless you meant pages? I think I remember seeing a 400+ page thread, and I know the last thread for barge stalking got to 300+ pages.

(20 posts per page)
Yes, I use 50 post per page so I never recall what's the relationship to new threads. But there's still a practical limit and I propose to actually reuse this thread by moving older posts to an archive thread. That would be a truly reusable thread.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 06/05/2016 11:27 PM
Why is there a practical limit?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 06/06/2016 02:17 AM
This thread is starting to look a little sooty and singed around the edges.  ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 06/06/2016 03:48 AM
This thread is starting to look a little sooty and singed around the edges.  ;)

Agreed, looks like it's taken max damage already. Oh well, we can archive it, padlock it to the top of the subform and use it as a life leader for any future thread reuse experiments.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: darkenfast on 06/06/2016 04:54 AM
The really important question is: what effect the Re-usable Party Thread (RPT) will have on the rest of the Party Thread Industry (PTI)?  Have we made the Expendable Party Thread (EPT) obsolete?  Are thousands of Old Party jokesters looking at the ends of their careers?  Perhaps RPT/EPT Conflict deserves a thread of its own...

I'll be in the bar.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: tleski on 06/06/2016 01:41 PM
Should the thread be reused as a whole or reusing parts of the thread is better? Which parts are designed for reuse? Are some of the posts more reusable than others? Where they intentionally designed for reuse? And what about the economic aspects? Is the thread bringing enough new L2 subscriptions to justify reuse?
So many questions, so little time.  :-\
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: matthewkantar on 06/06/2016 02:23 PM
A source I cannot reveal tells me that NSF has used previously flown posts in past party threads, and that they have been for some time. Many of the posts are now 3-D printed.

Matthew
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CorvusCorax on 06/06/2016 02:38 PM
I think even some of the old shuttle threads have been re-used, but we all know that reuse of those threads have not been economically viable.

Whole and rapid thread re-usage, without expensive thread refurbishment still needs to be demonstrated.

Just look at the amount of re-entry damage this thread has sustained. Especially on the last three pages.

There are no valid data points - as of yet - that proof that this is - or will ever be possible.

(*scnr*)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 06/06/2016 02:41 PM
You see a picture of the world's largest boom box and think, Silly Elon, in space no one can hear the "music"* that thing will be cranking out during the post launch party.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CorvusCorax on 06/06/2016 02:47 PM
You see a picture of the world's largest boom box and think, Silly Elon, in space no one can hear the "music"* that thing will be cranking out during the post launch party.

Well, as far as I understood it, this thing separates and positions the speakers on different slots for 3d "surround" sound system. aren't those usually called "satellites?"

I expect the 1st stage to go back down and provides the base - as the center  5 million pound subwoofer.

If you dial that sound system up to 13, you don't need atmosphere. It will project sound by gravity waves >:>>>
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 06/06/2016 03:19 PM
Gravity Waves, now that's a Thumping Party!

I suspect the people over at LIGO might be knocking on the post launch door asking them to keep it down!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Doesitfloat on 06/06/2016 03:23 PM
Yes there have been re –usable party threads in the past  and they  may not have been the best decision at the time.  That was a long time ago; in Moore’s law time it’s over 10 generations.  Back then the only way to fully re-use was to use a device called white out. This process involved placing a white out delivery device over the text an actually re-typing the entire text.  Is this really re-use or just a way to get an expensive piece of blank paper. Clearly those who were doing the work pointed out fully re-reusable ignoring the fact it was more economical to start with a new piece of paper.

Econonic formulas have been used to show how this form of re-use is not prudent. The reuse is more costly than the expendable party thread, and based on the number of posts expendable is the way to go.

The formula while correct at the time it was written,  lacks the technological innovations of the last 30 years.  Today keyboards have the “CTRL” button; which did not exist back then. Thus the batch functions of  select all (Ctrl+A), copy (Ctrl+C), paste (Ctrl+V), and cut (Ctrl+X). Batch functions reduce the time to create a new or edit an old document by several orders of magniture from the old method.  Today it I s possible to create a new document by cutting and pasting the title into a new document or using batch functions to select and cut the text out of an old party thread and re-use the whole thing. Both methods are a drastic improvement over the old method of white out. 

Economic use of these new methods is impossible to forecast because the formula used to evaluate was written before the enabling technology of re-use was shown.

Someday the two opposing parties of cut & paste the title and batch edit text will come together and both will use the most economic method. Until then we as outsiders can only watch.  Perhaps we could hope for our elected governing officials could at least get an updated economic formula. Until then it’s based on a keyboard without the “Ctrl” button.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 06/06/2016 03:50 PM
Clearly, until the insurers are on board we'll be reusing party threads only for low value payloads...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 06/06/2016 03:57 PM
Clearly, until the insurers are on board we'll be reusing party threads only for low value payloads...

Well, the physical value isn't much, but the sentimental value is through the roof.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 06/06/2016 04:43 PM
Aw, we can re-use this party thread.  Just replace its grid fins and legs between flights, it'll work just... <KABOOM!!!>

Ooops...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: bjornl on 06/06/2016 05:39 PM
If I may turn in something completely different...
I created the attached round of image questions for the local pub quiz right after the Thaicom-8 landing. As a joke, sadly, but since I started hosting the quiz they do follow space and astronomy news a lot more closely :-D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Roadie on 06/06/2016 05:44 PM
Fantastic! I give talks and quizzes at my local science-themed brewpub as well. The best of them (other than my buddy the owner) might get only three of the ten.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Retired Downrange on 06/06/2016 08:15 PM
Aw, we can re-use this party thread.  Just replace its grid fins and legs ......

Ooops...

I find the idea of replacing of "party legs" intriguing, and assume they are fancier legs than those on the Falcon 9.
😀😀🎉🎉😎😎
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Joffan on 06/06/2016 08:41 PM
Aw, we can re-use this party thread.  Just replace its grid fins and legs ......

Ooops...

I find the idea of replacing of "party legs" intriguing, and assume they are fancier legs than those on the Falcon 9.
😀😀🎉🎉😎😎

It's not unusual to find that the legs you arrived at the party with are not much use by the time you leave.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 06/06/2016 09:22 PM
Just like the F9 legs come to think of it...  ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 06/07/2016 12:45 AM
Yeah, At a party I usually use up all the crumple zones in them.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Scylla on 06/07/2016 01:33 AM
Soooo....are we still calling this collecting or do we call it hoarding and organize an intervention?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 06/07/2016 01:47 AM
Soooo....are we still calling this collecting or do we call it hoarding and organize an intervention?

Nah.  They're just waiting to get a few more so they can strap them together and hire Zamphir.

(and lord did I just date myself!)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sewebster on 06/07/2016 02:38 AM
So, what are the chances they've been swapping those boosters around like in a shell game to confuse us?
Also, look at that mess, caution tape just lying on the floor...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: darkenfast on 06/07/2016 07:37 AM
"Elon, if you don't clean up your room RIGHT NOW, I'm going to start throwing some of this junk out!"

"Aww, Mom, that's not junk, that's cool stuff!"

"I don't care! I want it out of the house this instant!"

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: starhawk92 on 06/07/2016 08:19 PM
Found this piece of "what-did-they-say?" today:

"The Amazon and Washington Post owner has already demonstrated that his space company’s crafts are capable of launching and landing the same craft three times in a row. While these launches are lower in altitude than similar events from Elon Musk’s SpaceX, it seems DARPA is only looking to launch satellites, not deliver payloads to the International Space Station. For those purposes, Blue Origin seems like the player to beat here, especially when assisted by the folks at Boeing."

Deliciously, it was an article on the website Inverse (https://www.inverse.com/article/16253-blue-origin-virgin-galactic-xcor-aerospace-battle-for-darpa-space-contract).

Just a bit of something during the long, cold between-launches winter.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Robotbeat on 06/07/2016 08:21 PM
A lot of people do not realize how many /different/ groups are working on these problems, and just assume they're cooperating on the same thing as part of the same team.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 06/07/2016 09:08 PM
While these launches are lower in altitude than similar events from Elon Musk’s SpaceX, it seems DARPA is only looking to launch satellites, not deliver payloads to the International Space Station.

Well, maybe DARPA has a great demand for launching suborbital satellites.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: intrepidpursuit on 06/08/2016 05:27 AM
While these launches are lower in altitude than similar events from Elon Musk’s SpaceX, it seems DARPA is only looking to launch satellites, not deliver payloads to the International Space Station. For those purposes, Blue Origin seems like the player to beat here, especially when assisted by the folks at Boeing."

Based on the context of that statement, it sounds like the author thinks space is just about altitude and that satellites don't fly as high as the ISS. Someone should suggest he write an article about how SpaceX could be more efficient if the launched straight up rather than curving to the east.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 06/08/2016 09:36 AM
That would somewhat shorten the lifetime of satellites, but greatly reduce the launch cost. I think the winner here are the spectators, who will get to see rocket launches all day.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Barmaglot on 06/08/2016 04:34 PM
With a sufficiently overpowered rocket, you could launch straight up directly into a heliocentric orbit, no? Wouldn't exactly be useful for much of anything, but not physically impossible...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: starhawk92 on 06/08/2016 04:36 PM
While these launches are lower in altitude than similar events from Elon Musk’s SpaceX, it seems DARPA is only looking to launch satellites, not deliver payloads to the International Space Station. For those purposes, Blue Origin seems like the player to beat here, especially when assisted by the folks at Boeing."

Based on the context of that statement, it sounds like the author thinks space is just about altitude and that satellites don't fly as high as the ISS. Someone should suggest he write an article about how SpaceX could be more efficient if the launched straight up rather than curving to the east.

I was considering leaving a comment, but mine would not have been nearly this good.  Touche, sir!!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CorvusCorax on 06/08/2016 06:02 PM
With a sufficiently overpowered rocket, you could launch straight up directly into a heliocentric orbit, no? Wouldn't exactly be useful for much of anything, but not physically impossible...

I think you are definitely on to something, but you are thinking wayyy too short. Stop looking at this as a two-body problem.  Sure, you go straight up powered at first - but then in free flight, you make a lunar swing by, careen around L1 (or if needed earth-sun-L1 for good measure), drag in front of the moon a bit to slow down again - and then go into a nice resonance orbit to alter your  orbital properties further. If needed do some aerobreaking in the upper atmosphere...

Granted, every launch window becomes instantaneous, launch opportunities might be once in a decade for most target orbits and it takes 5-10 years to reach the destination orbital slot.

...BUT IT CAN BE DONE!!!!

I would propose shooting the satellites with a straight up orbital cannon, to minimize gravity losses :-)

That's what spaceflight of tomorrow will be like!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/08/2016 06:53 PM
In other news, the SpaceX Rocket Cow project (all operated by cows, of course) is on hold.

The Rocket Cow team made a successful lunar flyby of their first bovine astronaut, following procedures established by Goose, M. However, the mission ended with a LOC (Loss of Cow) at 11:42 AM EDT as the thermal protection system needed for the astronaut cow's return was wholly forgotten.

With tragedy for some comes triumph for others. SpaceX testing teams at the McGregor announced an impromptu barbecue on the facility grounds at 11:59 AM. Participants were encouraged to bring their plates, baseball mitts and protective headgear.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CorvusCorax on 06/08/2016 07:03 PM
Was it wait but why or mythbusters who investigated "re-entry roasting" as a cooking method?

Sadly, what they figured was that, although the meat surface would be burned to cinders, the heat-conduction in frozen beef is way too low to roast - or even just thaw - the steak in the center in the short time it spends at hypersonic speeds.

Long story short, although the cows might have forgotten all about reentry, they - in fact - would be covered  - by an all natural carbon ablative TPS ;)

Might sting a bit though ;)



Edit: Then, come to think at it again, the way the folks at Mc Gregor like their Merlin-roasted steaks anyway is black crisp on the outside and bloody in the middle. So they should be fine.  Don't call the BBQ off yet!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Robotbeat on 06/08/2016 07:05 PM
XKCD What-if, I think.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: launchwatcher on 06/08/2016 07:10 PM
XKCD What-if, I think.
https://what-if.xkcd.com/28/

Quote
If anyone puts a steak in a hypersonic wind tunnel to get better data on this, please, send me the video.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/08/2016 07:15 PM
Was it wait but why or mythbusters who investigated "re-entry roasting" as a cooking method?

Sadly, what they figured was that, although the meat surface would be burned to cinders, the heat-conduction in frozen beef is way too low to roast - or even just thaw - the steak in the center in the short time it spends at hypersonic speeds.

Long story short, although the cows might have forgotten all about reentry, they - in fact - would be covered  - by an all natural carbon ablative TPS ;)

Might sting a bit though ;)



Edit: Then, come to think at it again, the way the folks at Mc Gregor like their Merlin-roasted steaks anyway is black crisp on the outside and bloody in the middle. So they should be fine.  Don't call the BBQ off yet!

We humans may call this "ablative dry-rub."
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/08/2016 07:44 PM
Ground Beef Control to Major Tom...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 06/09/2016 12:28 AM
All this talk of roast meat from reentry reminded me of a proposal to solve the single biggest barrier to a Mars colony, because it, too, utilized reentry (or more properly, the heat of a hypervelocity Mars entry) to help solve this seemingly insurmountable problem.

http://planetplots.blogspot.com/2014/02/while-cats-away-rat-will-play.html

The reason for the post title is that the author utilized his guest author privileges to post it,  and did so whilst the blog owner was away.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 06/09/2016 12:38 AM
Aaah, someone finally decoded Elon Musk's fascination with Hyperloop! Good detective work CJ!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Tomness on 06/09/2016 01:21 AM
Cross Posting this since I feel it would better go in a Party Thread.

Re: ULA Delta IV-H - NROL-37 - Canaveral SLC-37B - June 9, 2016
« Reply #55 on: Today at 06:47 PM »

Do we know if the metallic or composite fairing is being used? Previous Orion satellites have used the metallic (Titan) one.

I would say metallic

Talk about keeping those X-Rays & Jammers out using Metallic :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: starhawk92 on 06/09/2016 05:18 PM
Reposting from another thread.  NSF'ers, if we can name threads for each mission (or used to), we can do this also:

Quote from: Herb Schaltegger
Given what seems to many of us to have been damn-near heroic efforts to secure this stage before it went (almost literally) walkabout off the deck into the Atlantic, it seems to me that those guys (and/or gals!) deserve some kind of hard-earned group praise for their efforts these last couple months and continuing, and they've certainly earned a nickname to wear with pride from onlookers like us as we watch and discuss their work.

So, what say you?  And let's go heroic or historic and not so much slapstick on this one, eh?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 06/09/2016 06:14 PM
Reposting from another thread.  NSF'ers, if we can name threads for each mission (or used to), we can do this also:

Quote from: Herb Schaltegger
Given what seems to many of us to have been damn-near heroic efforts to secure this stage before it went (almost literally) walkabout off the deck into the Atlantic, it seems to me that those guys (and/or gals!) deserve some kind of hard-earned group praise for their efforts these last couple months and continuing, and they've certainly earned a nickname to wear with pride from onlookers like us as we watch and discuss their work.

So, what say you?  And let's go heroic or historic and not so much slapstick on this one, eh?

Naw... the Update thread is for expressing thanks and congratulations, after a success.  The party thread is specifically for slapstick.

If you try and appropriate the party thread into an "appreciation thread," we'll just have to either 1) create a new party thread, or 2) infest the serious threads with the slapstick we're all itching to express.  Neither of which is exactly the idea.

So, to your question, I respectfully vote "no."  Maybe see if you can get the mods to set up appreciation threads, if you want them...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 06/09/2016 06:38 PM
I don't know, I see more slapstick in the discussion threads, and more serious discussion in the party thread.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 06/09/2016 06:45 PM
"Guys, guys!  You're being serious and respectful in an Update thread!  C'mon, that's what we have a party thread for!"

Somehow, there's a logical disconnect there...  ???
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 06/09/2016 10:07 PM
Reposting from another thread.  NSF'ers, if we can name threads for each mission (or used to), we can do this also:

Quote from: Herb Schaltegger
Given what seems to many of us to have been damn-near heroic efforts to secure this stage before it went (almost literally) walkabout off the deck into the Atlantic, it seems to me that those guys (and/or gals!) deserve some kind of hard-earned group praise for their efforts these last couple months and continuing, and they've certainly earned a nickname to wear with pride from onlookers like us as we watch and discuss their work.

So, what say you?  And let's go heroic or historic and not so much slapstick on this one, eh?

Aaaand, in the spirit of the party thread, I propose the following options:

'The Chain Gang'  (complete with theme song... "Ooo, Ahh, Ooo.  That's the sound of the men working on the chain gang...")

'Charley Weasley's Romainian Wranglers'  (This for the west coast team doing Dragon tie-downs)

'Fixed Assets'

'Cheese'  Must be said in a 'Wallace' impression (from Wallace & Grommit)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/09/2016 10:09 PM
The party thread is for loading and unloading of humor only
There is no seriousness in the party zone

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: 411rocket on 06/10/2016 02:47 PM
Go Searcher is on the move!

Also ELSBETH III is back on the map, it hasn't been for the last few days.

Elsbeth III is hooking up to OCISLY to go on station for recovery. GO GO's are loading up and prepping as well.  ;D ;D 8)

So the GO GO's are getting loaded & ready to dance  8)...... Now if we could only, have a good view..........
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 06/10/2016 10:32 PM
Sadly, what they figured was that, although the meat surface would be burned to cinders, the heat-conduction in frozen beef is way too low to roast - or even just thaw - the steak in the center in the short time it spends at hypersonic speeds.

I can see it now.  In an effort to further reduce costs, SpaceX has decided to switch their Dragon heat shield from PICA-X to USDA Prime steaks.  Has the added benefit of being dual use.  Recovery team gets free BBQ as part of every operation, only requirement is that everyone has to be strongly ambivalent over whether they like their meat well done or raw.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Kansan52 on 06/10/2016 10:50 PM
And pre-salted with seawater!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 06/11/2016 03:03 PM
You don't use sea salt when seasoning your steak? Savages.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 06/12/2016 04:47 AM
Picture of ULA ADSL barge, "It's not you, it's me."  ;D
(http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/05deepscope/logs/sep1/media/calm_post_katrina_seas_600.jpg)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 06/12/2016 08:12 PM
Actual 1970's magazine ad from the Goodrich Tire Co. (who didn't own a blimp, Goodyear did.) They went on to say in the ad that they concentrated on making better tires not blimps.  :)
(http://images.delcampe.com/img_large/auction/000/138/776/557_001.jpg)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/12/2016 11:09 PM
I wonder if SpaceX PAO have become bored with tweeting out Static Fire confirmations? #LotsOfMissions
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Scylla on 06/12/2016 11:20 PM
The PAO not actually being necessary to do a static fire and since no self respecting PAO wants to work on a Sunday, the PAO will get back to the status tweets Monday morning..after coffee and a donut.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/13/2016 11:52 AM
Still waiting for news.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-go6eKiLPFH0/UnYgZyHTkNI/AAAAAAAAOko/4iaTvSmv--I/s1600/cookie-monster-waiting.gif)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Toastmastern on 06/13/2016 12:03 PM
Schrödinger's static fire....
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: toruonu on 06/13/2016 12:40 PM
Well at least noone's reported a fireball so at least the rocket is still there I guess :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 06/13/2016 01:32 PM
Well at least noone's reported a fireball so at least the rocket is still there I guess :)

I'm hearing a song...

...or maybe a poem  ;D

edit: sorry Chris... forgot for a moment you're a Brit :P
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 06/13/2016 01:37 PM
For a song, how about 'We didn't start the fire'?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: hamerad on 06/13/2016 01:41 PM
Well at least noone's reported a fireball so at least the rocket is still there I guess :)

I'm hearing a song...

...or maybe a poem  ;D

edit: sorry Chris... forgot for a moment you're a Brit :P

But would it still be "by the dawn's early light?" Sorry too late for me to try messing with timezones :-)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/13/2016 02:21 PM
Well at least noone's reported a fireball so at least the rocket is still there I guess :)

I'm hearing a song...

...or maybe a poem  ;D

edit: sorry Chris... forgot for a moment you're a Brit :P

It's cool, the day is coming where we'll gain retribution for our innocent tea. We've already sneaked a nuclear sub into Port Canaveral ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 06/13/2016 02:57 PM
Don't we all remember Nigel Smithson's famous words upon alighting from the famed lunar module, Pigeon?


(http://lh5.ggpht.com/-xzPjjTLYfZA/UACCfCzoDVI/AAAAAAAAaG8/tdzISyIXWMQ/Ministry%252520of%252520Space%252520%2525232%252520-%252520p%2525C3%2525A1gina%25252027_thumb%25255B7%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Scylla on 06/13/2016 03:12 PM
Not to start a conflict or anything😈, but didn't the French land on the moon first?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: WindnWar on 06/13/2016 06:34 PM
Don't we all remember Nigel Smithson's famous words upon alighting from the famed lunar module, Pigeon?


(http://lh5.ggpht.com/-xzPjjTLYfZA/UACCfCzoDVI/AAAAAAAAaG8/tdzISyIXWMQ/Ministry%252520of%252520Space%252520%2525232%252520-%252520p%2525C3%2525A1gina%25252027_thumb%25255B7%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800)

Looking at that suit, they must get kicked in the groin a lot!!

 :o
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 06/13/2016 06:47 PM
Don't we all remember Nigel Smithson's famous words upon alighting from the famed lunar module, Pigeon?

I still enjoy the scene in the film version of "First Men in the Moon," when the American guy from the multi-national first lunar landing crew finds the Union Jack sitting on top of a rock, calls over the British member of the expedition, and holds the old flag up against the British flag on his suit, and all the while the British guy is exclaiming "I didn't put it there!"

Which brings to mind the most memorable moment of that film, for me (and I wish I could find a screen cap of the moment).  It is when Bedford is sitting in his chair at the rest home, watching a live black-and-white TV transmission (just as we all did not many years later) from the first landing crew, that showed the Great Cavern where he and Cavor were held captive.  Bedford, who had not made any comments up to then about recognizing the scenes sent back by the modern Moonwalkers, at that point stared at his TV, and then, in a very excited voice, said "That... that's where we were!"

It was an ultimately human moment in what was otherwise a rather oddly disjointed, though enjoyable, film.  And as I say, that is the moment from that film that has stuck with me, all these many decades.  To this day, if the TV news shows a place I have been (which happens to all of us, over time), I find myself stating, in an old man's querulous voice, "That... that's where we were!"  And then smiling, since no one around me ever gets the reference... :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Barrie on 06/13/2016 07:09 PM

Looking at that suit, they must get kicked in the groin a lot!!

 :o

They've gone there to play a symbolic game of cricket, obviously!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 06/13/2016 07:20 PM

Looking at that suit, they must get kicked in the groin a lot!!

 :o

They've gone there to play a symbolic game of cricket, obviously!

Forget the groin.  He has TOE SOCKS!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 06/14/2016 01:32 AM

Looking at that suit, they must get kicked in the groin a lot!!

 :o

They've gone there to play a symbolic game of cricket, obviously!

Forget the groin.  He has TOE SOCKS!

Yes, but -- in the universe portrayed, QE II is a ruthless old bat -- she made her lunar astronauts amputate one of their toes on each foot!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Pete on 06/14/2016 09:58 AM

Looking at that suit, they must get kicked in the groin a lot!!

 :o

They've gone there to play a symbolic game of cricket, obviously!

Forget the groin.  He has TOE SOCKS!

Yes, but -- in the universe portrayed, QE II is a ruthless old bat -- she made her lunar astronauts amputate one of their toes on each foot!

Well, of course!
You DO know that a size 10 US shoe is only a size 8 in British?
http://www.zappos.com/c/shoe-size-conversion
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 06/14/2016 10:08 AM
I'm a bit confused by some of the terminology here. I know what a static fire is, but does that term apply also to what we saw seconds after the first and second ASDS landing (The F9 was static, and there was fire), or would that be more correctly described as the post-landing burn? 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 06/14/2016 01:27 PM

Looking at that suit, they must get kicked in the groin a lot!!

 :o

They've gone there to play a symbolic game of cricket, obviously!

Forget the groin.  He has TOE SOCKS!

Yes, but -- in the universe portrayed, QE II is a ruthless old bat -- she made her lunar astronauts amputate one of their toes on each foot!

Well, of course!
You DO know that a size 10 US shoe is only a size 8 in British?
http://www.zappos.com/c/shoe-size-conversion

Okay, you've now convinced me that the spaceman depicted is an American who has been accepted into Her Majesty's Space Programme. 
1) The removal of the toe to fit the 'smaller' size designated footwear ;)
2) Note the hand position of the salute being rendered to the flag.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 06/14/2016 02:04 PM
2) Note the hand position of the salute being rendered to the flag.

Occam's razor dictates that he is in fact a Navy man.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 06/14/2016 05:38 PM
I was going to suggest that these kinds of things belong in the party thread...

Then it dawns on me....
     wait. this is the party thread!!!
     duh!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: WindnWar on 06/14/2016 06:05 PM
I was going to suggest that these kinds of things belong in the party thread...

Then it dawns on me....
     wait. this is the party thread!!!
     duh!

I think upon that realization you are required to take a shot of your favorite high test beverage.  ;D  Or maybe you already have?  :o
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ClayJar on 06/14/2016 06:32 PM
I was going to suggest that these kinds of things belong in the party thread...

Then it dawns on me....
     wait. this is the party thread!!!
     duh!

I, for one, concur.  These kinds of things belong in the party thread.

Everyone knows that, unlike rockets, posts are like lego molecules, but good job everyone for posting them here and cutting out the middle mod.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 06/14/2016 07:27 PM
2) Note the hand position of the salute being rendered to the flag.

Occam's razor dictates that he is in fact a Navy man.

Nope.  Occam's razor dictates that he is in fact just raising his visor and not saluting at all.  ;)

If he was saluting the raising of the flag, surely the second astronaut visible in the background wouldn't have turned his back. 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Elvis in Space on 06/15/2016 12:51 PM
Ya'll do know there's a launch this morning?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: WBY1984 on 06/15/2016 01:00 PM
Currently watching the countdown clock on the youtube stream! Judging by the number of guests/members online 90 mins from launch, there's plenty who know. Most American will probably be at their jobs though, so I think this launch (if it goes today) will be a bit more low key.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/15/2016 01:07 PM
Ya'll do know there's a launch this morning?

Well, either that or one hell of a Viagra commercial.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/15/2016 01:15 PM
Elon getting Hawthorne pumped up... 33 seconds in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtLxpMyh13g?t=33s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtLxpMyh13g?t=33s)

1:18 in and they are doing an impression of the sea state for the ASDS ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Elvis in Space on 06/15/2016 01:21 PM
Currently watching the countdown clock on the youtube stream! Judging by the number of guests/members online 90 mins from launch, there's plenty who know. Most American will probably be at their jobs though...

I would be one of those, yes. Sought out some divine guidance for this flight and found a most unusual but confident lot of churchmen to assist.

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: WallyEU on 06/15/2016 01:27 PM
Elon getting Hawthorne pumped up... 33 seconds in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtLxpMyh13g?t=33s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtLxpMyh13g?t=33s)

1:18 in and they are doing an impression of the sea state for the ASDS ;D

They don't need American cheerleaders to get crowds going. :P
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ben Hawes on 06/15/2016 01:30 PM
Elon getting Hawthorne pumped up... 33 seconds in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtLxpMyh13g?t=33s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtLxpMyh13g?t=33s)

1:18 in and they are doing an impression of the sea state for the ASDS ;D

They don't need American cheerleaders to get crowds going. :P

We've got a long way to go, but we're maturing via MLS. 5,000 Portland fans dominating 60,000 Seattle fans...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tru5wirQfyU

Rose City Till I Die.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 06/15/2016 01:47 PM
Ya'll do know there's a launch this morning?

Well, either that or one hell of a Viagra commercial.

The time is right... but, you know, sometimes rockets suffer from TEL dysfunction.  In fact, most rockets suffer such erection problems when they get into their forties.

When the countdown's on and the range is green, if you're not ready to launch, ask your doctor if Elon-gra is right for you...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 06/15/2016 01:52 PM
Currently watching the countdown clock on the youtube stream! Judging by the number of guests/members online 90 mins from launch, there's plenty who know. Most American will probably be at their jobs though...

I would be one of those, yes. Sought out some divine guidance for this flight and found a most unusual but confident lot of churchmen to assist.

Well, gee -- I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 06/15/2016 01:59 PM
Currently watching the countdown clock on the youtube stream! Judging by the number of guests/members online 90 mins from launch, there's plenty who know. Most American will probably be at their jobs though, so I think this launch (if it goes today) will be a bit more low key.

Hmm...  I pulled up the Technical Broadcast, and I hate to tell y'all, but it says I am one of...  wait for it... nine whole people watching the countdown clock.

Maybe everyone else really wants to listen to the SpaceX broadcasters speaking to the sub-Millennials..?  Me, I prefer to just listen to the call-outs and watch the actual launch...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 06/15/2016 02:01 PM
Whenever I view a livestream of a Falcon 9 launch, I always watch the Technical version because, in my humble opinion, the hosts tend to talk over the Countdown Net.

Yo, hosts! Interrupting an extremely important mission is rude! Behave!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Norm38 on 06/15/2016 02:15 PM
It's interesting to me how many different SpaceX employees take turns at hosting the webcast.  Seems to be a very popular elective activity there.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 06/15/2016 02:19 PM
Hmm...  I pulled up the Technical Broadcast, and I hate to tell y'all, but it says I am one of...  wait for it... nine whole people watching the countdown clock.

There's over 2,600 people watching YouTube. I find it works better than the Livestream feed, especially at 1080p.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 06/15/2016 02:21 PM
Hmm...  I pulled up the Technical Broadcast, and I hate to tell y'all, but it says I am one of...  wait for it... nine whole people watching the countdown clock.

There's over 2,600 people watching YouTube. I find it works better than the Livestream feed, especially at 1080p.

Yeah, it jumped up really fast as soon as we got past the funky music.  It's gone from 9 people watching the technical broadcast to 2,829 people...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 06/15/2016 02:24 PM
The side-effect of calling real engineers to fill in PAO positions is that they make interesting mistakes....

"This satellite we are launching is Eutelsat 117WB because we launched 117WA last year....." Er nope, that's 115WB and 117WA was launched by that Russ....er DC-based LSP in 2013 (https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/03/ils-proton-m-launch-satmex-8/)......

"......and the other one's is ABS-2A and we launched ABS-2 last year too....." Er nope again, that's ABS-3A and ABS-2 was carried by that Paris based LSP in 2014 (https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/02/ariane-5-eca-launches-abs-2-athena-fidus/).....

 ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Craftyatom on 06/15/2016 02:46 PM
If any budding writers want some lessons on suspense, it seems our favorite barge-targeting company is giving us a lesson...

 :-[
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Tonioroffo on 06/15/2016 02:49 PM
This is more tense than the European Cup.

Sent from my LG-D802 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/15/2016 02:49 PM
I think there was an insufficient dosage of Dronex. The time was not right. OCISLY is going to have a headache.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/15/2016 02:57 PM
On a positive note, we might have a late entry for the Kaboomy Goodness Blooper Reel. It's been feeling lonely of late.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 06/15/2016 03:13 PM
The side-effect of calling real engineers to fill in PAO positions is that they make interesting mistakes....

"This satellite we are launching is Eutelsat 117WB because we launched 117WA last year....." Er nope, that's 115WB and 117WA was launched by that Russ....er DC-based LSP in 2013 (https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/03/ils-proton-m-launch-satmex-8/)......

"......and the other one's is ABS-2A and we launched ABS-2 last year too....." Er nope again, that's ABS-3A and ABS-2 was carried by that Paris based LSP in 2014 (https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/02/ariane-5-eca-launches-abs-2-athena-fidus/).....

 ;)

I suggest that some of the former ULA PAOs take over for the engineers in the near future.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Craftyatom on 06/15/2016 03:18 PM
The side-effect of calling real engineers to fill in PAO positions is that they make interesting mistakes....

"This satellite we are launching is Eutelsat 117WB because we launched 117WA last year....." Er nope, that's 115WB and 117WA was launched by that Russ....er DC-based LSP in 2013 (https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/03/ils-proton-m-launch-satmex-8/)......

"......and the other one's is ABS-2A and we launched ABS-2 last year too....." Er nope again, that's ABS-3A and ABS-2 was carried by that Paris based LSP in 2014 (https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/02/ariane-5-eca-launches-abs-2-athena-fidus/).....

 ;)

I suggest that some of the former ULA PAOs take over for the engineers in the near future.
Personally, I'd rather have people who know the ins and outs of the rocket than people who might give better speech.

Otherwise you end up with "You're seeing footage now of nominal flames and smoke coming out of the landed first stage...", or worse, "We're seeing fire come out of the bottom of our rocket shortly after liftoff, evidently there has been some sort of anomaly..."
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/15/2016 03:38 PM
Per:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40395.msg1549763#msg1549763

That's two for two with guests staying on and with no downtime, despite being busier than all previous similar missions (of course CRS-7 and RTF were more, for example).

This is the surge we got. Note the left is us very busy with launch coverage. Then the stage has a hard landing and we get surged by people looking at the screenshots of it etc. We quadrupled our audience (normally that would absolutely Bad Gateway the hell out of the servers...and we'd remove guests). Not this time!

I took a quick picture of the screen (on a spare laptop I use to keep an eye on the site's health), showing #TheSurge!  :o ;D

No downtime!

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Eer on 06/15/2016 04:04 PM
Currently watching the countdown clock on the youtube stream! Judging by the number of guests/members online 90 mins from launch, there's plenty who know. Most American will probably be at their jobs though, so I think this launch (if it goes today) will be a bit more low key.
I couldn't find a link to the technical stream this time...is it always the same link?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ClayJar on 06/15/2016 04:35 PM
Currently watching the countdown clock on the youtube stream! Judging by the number of guests/members online 90 mins from launch, there's plenty who know. Most American will probably be at their jobs though, so I think this launch (if it goes today) will be a bit more low key.
I couldn't find a link to the technical stream this time...is it always the same link?

Each webcast stream has a different link each time, and those links to each webcast remain unchanged as archived webcasts after the stream is over.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Halidon on 06/15/2016 04:41 PM
Congrats, Chris, cool to see the site withstanding that sort of firepower.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: starhawk92 on 06/15/2016 04:53 PM
Alas, Core Twenty-Six!!  We knew him well.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dodo on 06/15/2016 05:27 PM
Have an ice flower (or two).

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dmc6960 on 06/15/2016 06:06 PM
Alas, Core Twenty-Six!!  We knew him well.

Wouldn't it more be like... "we hardly knew thee"?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 06/15/2016 06:32 PM
Alas, Core Twenty-Six!!  We knew him well.

*Stage Direction*

While delivering the above line, character 'High-capacity Material Lift Erected Tower' (HaMLET) raises scorched octaweb to darkly clouded  night sky as flickering, yellow spotlights illuminate it from below.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 06/16/2016 12:06 AM
According to Elon Musk, the F9 had a RUD on the droneship. We don't know quite what this means, really, because RUD can have many meanings other than the one he's always used before. Ridiculously Unremarkable Descent, Robust Undamaged Decal, Rowdy Uncouth Discourse, etc, etc, 

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: baldusi on 06/16/2016 01:24 AM
Rapid Unplanned Disassembly
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 06/16/2016 01:38 AM
Rapid Unplanned Disassembly

We've all been used to this acronym; am I right?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 06/16/2016 01:56 AM
For Lar;
Why NASA sent 3 defenseless Legos to die on Jupiter
http://www.presstelegram.com/science/20160611/why-nasa-sent-3-defenseless-legos-to-die-on-jupiter

Lar, those Legos Lego Elements on that probe are surely exceedingly valuable, and would make an excellent addition to your collection. You should go and save them - and the good news is, you've got 3 years to do it in.

 ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: llanitedave on 06/16/2016 01:59 AM
Rapid Unplanned Disassembly

We've all been used to this acronym; am I right?

Doesn't mean we can't tweak it.  Maybe Relatively Unrecognizeable Debris?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: darkenfast on 06/16/2016 03:30 AM
Alas, Core Twenty-Six!!  We knew him well.

*Stage Direction*

While delivering the above line, character 'High-capacity Material Lift Erected Tower' (HaMLET) raises scorched octaweb to darkly clouded  night sky as flickering, yellow spotlights illuminate it from below.
Unfortunately, the actor blew his closing monologue.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 06/16/2016 03:42 AM
Rapid Unplanned Disassembly

We've all been used to this acronym; am I right?

Doesn't mean we can't tweak it.  Maybe Relatively Unrecognizeable Debris?

You know what? This is actually a better explanation of this morning's landing attempt. Great tweak; I'll take that as an exception.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/16/2016 12:57 PM
For Lar;
Why NASA sent 3 defenseless Legos to die on Jupiter
http://www.presstelegram.com/science/20160611/why-nasa-sent-3-defenseless-legos-to-die-on-jupiter

Lar, those Legos Lego Elements on that probe are surely exceedingly valuable, and would make an excellent addition to your collection. You should go and save them - and the good news is, you've got 3 years to do it in.

 ;)

Ha! Lego elements ARE rocket parts!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 06/16/2016 02:18 PM
If it was still the 1970's it would be Rapid Unplanned Disco!

Let's get this party started!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/16/2016 02:56 PM
If it was still the 1970's it would be Rapid Unplanned Disco!

Let's get this party started!

Disco remains dead. I arranged to put this on the drone ship. There will be no revival.

#killitwithfire #watneyhatesdisco
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 06/17/2016 04:26 AM
Rocket Launch Failures Compilation Updated 2015 - 35 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9EnUQltR9A

Includes some I haven't seen before.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 06/17/2016 08:36 AM
After seeing the video of the perfect landing of the Eutelsat/ABS booster, it is clear that it is the droneship that failed. If only it could have jumped up a few meters to catch the stage, it would now be on its way back with another caught booster.

Well, that or have a higher deck. See, if only SpaceX would have listened to our suggestions to convert an aircraft carrier...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/17/2016 12:17 PM
elonmusk: Turns out the landing was not as fast we thought, but still hard enough to destroy the primary airframe and accordion the engines

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/743602229307805696

I had this image in mind throughout the landing since there was no big Kaboomy.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 06/17/2016 01:19 PM
For Lar;
Why NASA sent 3 defenseless Legos to die on Jupiter
http://www.presstelegram.com/science/20160611/why-nasa-sent-3-defenseless-legos-to-die-on-jupiter

Lar, those Legos Lego Elements on that probe are surely exceedingly valuable, and would make an excellent addition to your collection. You should go and save them - and the good news is, you've got 3 years to do it in.

 ;)

I'm trying to cut back. I am in fact at a con selling stuff this weekend... However I will speak to Abner Finley about this. Er, wait I think he already scored the spares (His collection is so big that when The LEGO Group was trying to restock their museum, they traded HIM for stuff THEY didn't have...)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: cartman on 06/17/2016 03:30 PM
Quote
Steve Jurvetson
11 hrs ·
and the cool new flown display in the board room
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: meekGee on 06/17/2016 03:53 PM
Quote
Steve Jurvetson
11 hrs ·
and the cool new flown display in the board room

Are these the actual chairs from Dr. Evil's secret mountain lair?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Scylla on 06/17/2016 04:35 PM
Quote
Steve Jurvetson
11 hrs ·
and the cool new flown display in the board room

Are these the actual chairs from Dr. Evil's secret mountain lair?
Note that with this chair design, a simple drop of the seat and the occupant easily slides into the shark tank.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JebK on 06/17/2016 04:44 PM
"Let that be a reminder to you all that this organization does not tolerate failure."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLaCqrisEac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLaCqrisEac)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 06/17/2016 05:16 PM
Guys!  I have figured out how SpaceX plans on generating tons and tons of methane on Mars to refuel their boosters for the Mars-to-Earth leg of the MCT architecture.

The evidence has literally been under our noses for quite a while, now.  SpaceX has even released a number of pictures (without the explanatory text, of course, that would tell us their plans).  I even found one to attach here.

Below is a picture illustrating a test of the deployment of the Mars methane ISRU system.  Note how SpaceX is cleverly using several parts of their architecture here -- amazing how they can use rocket engine technology to aid in the deployment phase.

:D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: eweilow on 06/17/2016 05:17 PM
Quote
Steve Jurvetson
11 hrs ·
and the cool new flown display in the board room
Just to be clear (for future readers of this thread), that is obviously a printed wallpaper of this very picture: https://www.flickr.com/photos/spacex/23985921532/
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 06/17/2016 05:39 PM
Guys!  I have figured out how SpaceX plans on generating tons and tons of methane on Mars to refuel their boosters for the Mars-to-Earth leg of the MCT architecture.

The evidence has literally been under our noses for quite a while, now.  SpaceX has even released a number of pictures (without the explanatory text, of course, that would tell us their plans).  I even found one to attach here.

Below is a picture illustrating a test of the deployment of the Mars methane ISRU system.  Note how SpaceX is cleverly using several parts of their architecture here -- amazing how they can use rocket engine technology to aid in the deployment phase.

:D

Which clearly explains the need for Mars colonization, as it takes an extensive support structure to facilitate ranching to acquire the methane:

Farmers to raise the feed.
Farmers to raise food for the farmers raising the feed and the Ranchers raising the cows.
Ranchers to raise the cows.
Veterinarians to support the ranchers.

Of course, judging by the smells I encounter on my daily commute, I might recommend that hogs would be a better selection.

 Your ranch/pig farm is under a glass dome.  Then you put your methane collector at the apex of said dome.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/17/2016 05:44 PM
BLIZZARD WARNING:
FROM THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTER
THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTER HAS ISSUED A BLIZZARD WARNING FROM 0313U ETERNAL CLOCK TO 1123U FOR ALL NINE CIRCLES ON THE INFERNAL PLANES. THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF DIS.
ALL THOSE IN THE PATH OF THIS STORM SHOULD SEEK THE NEAREST SHELTER, SUCH AS THE NEAREST POOL OF LAVA OR VOLCANIC FISSURE. IF YOUR TORTURE FACILITIES ARE ON HIGHER GROUND, LEAVE THOSE LOCATIONS AND SEEK HOTTER SHELTER.
THIS HAS BEEN A LIVE BROADCAST FROM THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTER

Quote
Watch the fourth flight of the same New Shepard hardware this Sunday. Liftoff is planned for approximately 10:15 am ET and the live webcast starts half an hour earlier at 9:45 am ET at www.blueorigin.com.
 
 On this flight, we’ll intentionally fail one string of parachutes on the capsule. There are three strings of chutes and two of the three should still deploy nominally and, along with our retrothrust system, safely land the capsule. Works on paper, and this test is designed to validate that. We’ll also use this flight to continue pushing the envelope on the booster.
 
 As always, this is a development test flight and anything can happen.
 
 Watching a rocket launch (and rocket landing!) might add a little extra fun with the kids on Father’s Day -- enjoy.
 
 Gradatim Ferociter!
 
 Jeff Bezos
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: cscott on 06/17/2016 05:52 PM
No, I'm pretty sure that the actual hardware behind him.  Although it might not be the real board room.

EDIT: I was wrong.  Serves me right for trying to do image analysis on my cellphone screen.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: abaddon on 06/17/2016 05:53 PM
No, I'm pretty sure that the actual hardware behind him.  Although it might not be the real board room.
Either Jurvetson is a giant, or it's a photo.  It's way too small.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: cartman on 06/17/2016 06:32 PM
Its a wallpaper, look at the top edge of the stage, it has the same background as the photo, the white dots.
So, that was a false alert, sorry everybody. I thought it was real and i even compared it with the same Flickr photo in order to confirm it was the OG2 stage :D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: vanoord on 06/17/2016 07:05 PM
No, I'm pretty sure that the actual hardware behind him.  Although it might not be the real board room.
Either Jurvetson is a giant, or it's a photo.  It's way too small.

Not only would he be 12ft tall, but those chairs in Elon's lair are the right size for him and several similarly-sized buddies.

On balance, I suspect it's a photograph...  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/17/2016 07:33 PM
Its a wallpaper, look at the top edge of the stage, it has the same background as the photo, the white dots.
So, that was a false alert, sorry everybody. I thought it was real and i even compared it with the same Flickr photo in order to confirm it was the OG2 stage :D

That would've been one hell of a large boardroom to fit the Falcon in there. Not that I wouldn't pass it by the group for trying to stuff it inside for selfies.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Comga on 06/17/2016 08:47 PM
No, I'm pretty sure that the actual hardware behind him.  Although it might not be the real board room.
Either Jurvetson is a giant, or it's a photo.  It's way too small.
And the trimming is imprecise.  The lights from the hangar are visible but the carrying ring to the left is cropped.
It's a photo.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kirghizstan on 06/17/2016 08:57 PM
No, I'm pretty sure that the actual hardware behind him.  Although it might not be the real board room.
Either Jurvetson is a giant, or it's a photo.  It's way too small.
And the trimming is imprecise.  The lights from the hangar are visible but the carrying ring to the left is cropped.
It's a photo.
not to belabor this, but it isn't a cropping issue, look at the top left of the picture and you see the ceiling is suspended below the lights in the room.  almost like a false ceiling.  so the wallpaper probably shows the whole ring, but because of that feature in the room you cannot see it from that angle.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 06/17/2016 10:58 PM
BLIZZARD WARNING:
FROM THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTER
THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTER HAS ISSUED A BLIZZARD WARNING FROM 0313U ETERNAL CLOCK TO 1123U FOR ALL NINE CIRCLES ON THE INFERNAL PLANES. THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF DIS.
ALL THOSE IN THE PATH OF THIS STORM SHOULD SEEK THE NEAREST SHELTER, SUCH AS THE NEAREST POOL OF LAVA OR VOLCANIC FISSURE. IF YOUR TORTURE FACILITIES ARE ON HIGHER GROUND, LEAVE THOSE LOCATIONS AND SEEK HOTTER SHELTER.
THIS HAS BEEN A LIVE BROADCAST FROM THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTER

Quote
Watch the fourth flight of the same New Shepard hardware this Sunday. Liftoff is planned for approximately 10:15 am ET and the live webcast starts half an hour earlier at 9:45 am ET at www.blueorigin.com.
 
 On this flight, we’ll intentionally fail one string of parachutes on the capsule. There are three strings of chutes and two of the three should still deploy nominally and, along with our retrothrust system, safely land the capsule. Works on paper, and this test is designed to validate that. We’ll also use this flight to continue pushing the envelope on the booster.
 
 As always, this is a development test flight and anything can happen.
 
 Watching a rocket launch (and rocket landing!) might add a little extra fun with the kids on Father’s Day -- enjoy.
 
 Gradatim Ferociter!
 
 Jeff Bezos

Errr.... Shouldn't that be the 'Infernal Weather Center'???  I mean Heaven isn't the one freezing over, after-all. ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/18/2016 02:10 AM
BLIZZARD WARNING:
FROM THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTER
THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTER HAS ISSUED A BLIZZARD WARNING FROM 0313U ETERNAL CLOCK TO 1123U FOR ALL NINE CIRCLES ON THE INFERNAL PLANES. THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF DIS.
ALL THOSE IN THE PATH OF THIS STORM SHOULD SEEK THE NEAREST SHELTER, SUCH AS THE NEAREST POOL OF LAVA OR VOLCANIC FISSURE. IF YOUR TORTURE FACILITIES ARE ON HIGHER GROUND, LEAVE THOSE LOCATIONS AND SEEK HOTTER SHELTER.
THIS HAS BEEN A LIVE BROADCAST FROM THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTER

Quote
Watch the fourth flight of the same New Shepard hardware this Sunday. Liftoff is planned for approximately 10:15 am ET and the live webcast starts half an hour earlier at 9:45 am ET at www.blueorigin.com.
 
 On this flight, we’ll intentionally fail one string of parachutes on the capsule. There are three strings of chutes and two of the three should still deploy nominally and, along with our retrothrust system, safely land the capsule. Works on paper, and this test is designed to validate that. We’ll also use this flight to continue pushing the envelope on the booster.
 
 As always, this is a development test flight and anything can happen.
 
 Watching a rocket launch (and rocket landing!) might add a little extra fun with the kids on Father’s Day -- enjoy.
 
 Gradatim Ferociter!
 
 Jeff Bezos

Errr.... Shouldn't that be the 'Infernal Weather Center'???  I mean Heaven isn't the one freezing over, after-all. ;)

The CWS is the biggest trolling center in heaven. They know the audience can't leave.  ::)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 06/19/2016 11:45 PM
(Almost) Every SpaceX Landing Attempt, In Order - 28-mins
From the 1st Grasshopper hop Sep 21, 2012 to Falcon 9/CRS-8 Apr 8, 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AllaFzIPaG4
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 06/20/2016 03:27 PM
I wonder why they left out CRS-3.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mme on 06/20/2016 08:51 PM
I didn't want to add noise to the original thread, but I wanted to declare this the "Best Car Analogy in a Rocket Discussion."  Ever.

There's always the hope that someone finds a way to improve the process without having to substantially change the hardware, but you are right.  And, in this case I would love to be wrong.  It would be so much better for all of us.

Again, it is not a hardware problem.  There is a way, just reduce the target orbit or payload mass.  It is real easy.  Spacex just pushed the envelope too far.

The spacecraft were placed in a super synchronous transfer orbit of 62,750km.  GSO is at 42,164 km.  So Spacex could come down a few hundred/thousand miles to provide more propellant margin in the first stage and the spacecraft would still be happy.  It would only reduce the spacecraft extended life by a few months

Since people are still not understanding this is a margin and not a lack of performance issue.  I have an analogy. 

A spacecraft is comparable to a new car and it weighs about 5500kg.  Lets call the car the 5.5.   
The F9 is comparable to a car carrier truck.
GSO is the car's final destination (home)
GTO is the car dealership location
Super-synchronous GTO is a location between the dealership and home
The car is to be delivered to the dealership with a full tank of gas, which allows it to get home and then have a enough for 10 years of operation. (just work with me on this, since GSO spacecraft don't get refueled)

So Carx has designed the F9 car carrier to deliver the 5.5 from the factory to the dealership with the car carrier having enough fuel to return back to the factory. 

The  F9 car carrier has just come out and it is going through its test phase.   It is doing some test runs and it is going to carry cars to make revenue.  It just so happens that there are no 5.5s that need to be delivered but there are some 4.1, 3.2, 4.7, etc available. Delivering these spacecraft to the dealership and returning the carrier to the factory will be no problem, just that there will be more than enough fuel left.   

Carx, being customer friendly, has offered to deliver these smaller cars to destinations in between home and the dealership.  This way the customer will able to save some fuel and add few more years to the car's life after it gets home.   Carx has done some analysis and has figured out the waypoints to deliver the cars to and allow for the F9 car carrier to return to the factory with just slightest amount of fuel left.  Carx figures that will maybe lose some car carriers during this test period due to working out the margins.  A few may come up short on fuel and not make it back to the factory.  Carx is ok with this since they can produce car carriers cheaper than other one way car carrier producers and they are leader in trying to make reusable car carriers. 

Carx could just deliver the cars just to the dealership and work on returning the car carriers  and figure out the margins but they rather work with their customers on where they want to be dropped off

Party On.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/20/2016 08:56 PM
I didn't want to add noise to the original thread, but I wanted to declare this the "Best Car Analogy in a Rocket Discussion."  Ever.

There's always the hope that someone finds a way to improve the process without having to substantially change the hardware, but you are right.  And, in this case I would love to be wrong.  It would be so much better for all of us.

Again, it is not a hardware problem.  There is a way, just reduce the target orbit or payload mass.  It is real easy.  Spacex just pushed the envelope too far.

The spacecraft were placed in a super synchronous transfer orbit of 62,750km.  GSO is at 42,164 km.  So Spacex could come down a few hundred/thousand miles to provide more propellant margin in the first stage and the spacecraft would still be happy.  It would only reduce the spacecraft extended life by a few months

Since people are still not understanding this is a margin and not a lack of performance issue.  I have an analogy. 

A spacecraft is comparable to a new car and it weighs about 5500kg.  Lets call the car the 5.5.   
The F9 is comparable to a car carrier truck.
GSO is the car's final destination (home)
GTO is the car dealership location
Super-synchronous GTO is a location between the dealership and home
The car is to be delivered to the dealership with a full tank of gas, which allows it to get home and then have a enough for 10 years of operation. (just work with me on this, since GSO spacecraft don't get refueled)

So Carx has designed the F9 car carrier to deliver the 5.5 from the factory to the dealership with the car carrier having enough fuel to return back to the factory. 

The  F9 car carrier has just come out and it is going through its test phase.   It is doing some test runs and it is going to carry cars to make revenue.  It just so happens that there are no 5.5s that need to be delivered but there are some 4.1, 3.2, 4.7, etc available. Delivering these spacecraft to the dealership and returning the carrier to the factory will be no problem, just that there will be more than enough fuel left.   

Carx, being customer friendly, has offered to deliver these smaller cars to destinations in between home and the dealership.  This way the customer will able to save some fuel and add few more years to the car's life after it gets home.   Carx has done some analysis and has figured out the waypoints to deliver the cars to and allow for the F9 car carrier to return to the factory with just slightest amount of fuel left.  Carx figures that will maybe lose some car carriers during this test period due to working out the margins.  A few may come up short on fuel and not make it back to the factory.  Carx is ok with this since they can produce car carriers cheaper than other one way car carrier producers and they are leader in trying to make reusable car carriers. 

Carx could just deliver the cars just to the dealership and work on returning the car carriers  and figure out the margins but they rather work with their customers on where they want to be dropped off

Party On.

I thought so, too.

Jim has indirectly introduced a new SpaceX product:

SpaceX UberLyft!

We'll get you or your stuff (up to 55,000 lb) where you want in 10 orbits or less!

(And there's an app for that.)

All banking accounts accepted (except Nigeria)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 06/20/2016 09:51 PM
So that's the Tesla Model 3 delivery plan. Bad Jim for leaking it ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: meekGee on 06/21/2016 12:31 AM
So with the F9, it's the same thing but without the car.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: yokem55 on 06/21/2016 02:37 AM
So that's the Tesla Model 3 delivery plan. Bad Jim for leaking it ;)
I think it's actually the Tesla Model M[ars] delivery plan. The delivery charge to Mars though will be slightly more than cost of the vehicle. Especially with the 100km battery trailer option...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 06/21/2016 08:04 AM
So that's the Tesla Model 3 delivery plan. Bad Jim for leaking it ;)
I think it's actually the Tesla Model M[ars] delivery plan. The delivery charge to Mars though will be slightly more than cost of the vehicle. Especially with the 100km battery trailer option...

AKA the Red Tesla.  8)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 06/21/2016 08:12 AM
I wonder why they left out CRS-3.

So they could add the "almost"?  ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 06/21/2016 02:37 PM
So that's the Tesla Model 3 delivery plan. Bad Jim for leaking it ;)
I think it's actually the Tesla Model M[ars] delivery plan. The delivery charge to Mars though will be slightly more than cost of the vehicle. Especially with the 100km battery trailer option...

AKA the Red Tesla.  8)

Well, they could start replacing the barges with Tesla's...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FszARiU_jRI
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: wannamoonbase on 06/21/2016 04:40 PM
Can we stay on thread please and kee the comic book speculation in appropriate threads. 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 06/21/2016 06:02 PM
Can we stay on thread please and kee the comic book speculation in appropriate threads. 
Which is the Party Thread.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/21/2016 07:01 PM
Can we stay on thread please and kee the comic book speculation in appropriate threads. 
Which is the Party Thread.

"Comic book speculation!?"  :o

I'll have you know that my ideas are certainly not remotely worthy for publishing in any medium.

Let us repeat:

The party zone is loading and unloading of humor only
There is no seriousness in the party zone


If we're on-topic for anything in this thread, we're actually off-topic.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: wannamoonbase on 06/21/2016 07:23 PM
Can we stay on thread please and kee the comic book speculation in appropriate threads. 
Which is the Party Thread.

My bad, I had two windows open and got my threads mixed up.

Carry On.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/21/2016 07:32 PM
Can we stay on thread please and kee the comic book speculation in appropriate threads. 
Which is the Party Thread.

My bad, I had two windows open and got my threads mixed up.

Carry On.

No problem. My liquid alcohol fuel residue leaks on my internal guidance system all the time. Talk about getting your gimbals locked.



And if that vivid imagery doesn't rip us back into groans and yuks, nothing will.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 06/22/2016 12:33 AM
That's why Apples work best. No Windows to confuse. Mmmm Honey Crisp, Zestar, Gravenstien, .... If SpaceX had a apple, would it be a Columnar? I can see the resemblance.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 06/22/2016 02:13 AM
Baby steps. Start with a Chromebook.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 06/22/2016 02:52 AM
Can we stay on thread please and kee the comic book speculation in appropriate threads. 
Which is the Party Thread.

My bad, I had two windows open and got my threads mixed up.

Carry On.

What happens when you have more than one window open?

Wind.

What does wind cause?

Knotty threads.

Weave err Leave your excess windows closed ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rocx on 06/22/2016 08:10 AM
Back on topic.. (sorry):

Isn't it time to open a special party thread for the CRS-9 launch? I'm thinking of "Hope this ring will make it up to you" for a title.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 06/22/2016 11:19 AM
I think a lord of the rings reference might be appropriate as long as we didn't use it up for the CRS 7 launch.

"Delivering one ring to dock them all... again"
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: e of pi on 06/22/2016 01:13 PM
Isn't it time to open a special party thread for the CRS-9 launch? I'm thinking of "Hope this ring will make it up to you" for a title.
Just because Eutelsat expended its core doesn't mean we have to expend this thread. :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: abaddon on 06/22/2016 01:42 PM
Isn't it time to open a special party thread for the CRS-9 launch? I'm thinking of "Hope this ring will make it up to you" for a title.
Mission-specific party threads, except perhaps in special cases, are a thing of the past.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/22/2016 02:02 PM
Isn't it time to open a special party thread for the CRS-9 launch? I'm thinking of "Hope this ring will make it up to you" for a title.
Mission-specific party threads, except perhaps in special cases, are a thing of the past.

Yep. Note the thread title.

However, we're almost ready to retire this well-used thread for a new core. If Elon gets over 32 launches on his stuff, that would be notable.

This venerable thread's content can be etched on a 15-meter aluminum pole, dust portions of it with soot and white paint, add some legs on it and prop it up as a museum piece in front of NSF International Headquarters.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 06/22/2016 02:19 PM
Gentle request:
If we do retire this thread and create a thread 2, can the first post clarify that this is as a semi-permanent party thread?  Are there rules now for what constitutes a special circumstance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPqhm36sjVE
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Davp99 on 06/22/2016 04:16 PM
Has to be one of the Best Scene in Movie History...1 2 3 Go  8)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dodo on 06/23/2016 08:17 AM
This is not the best in history (the bar is too high for me). And I couldn't find one of von Braun jumping on a pogo stick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWabhnt91Uc
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 06/23/2016 01:05 PM
Sooo... for CRS-9...

Instead of landing bingo, is it going to be 'Ring Toss'?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/23/2016 01:09 PM
Sooo... for CRS-9...

Instead of landing bingo, is it going to be 'Ring Toss'?

Far better than a Falcon Lawn Dart contest.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: llanitedave on 06/23/2016 02:58 PM
At least we can be fairly sure the stage won't walk far after landing.


I hope.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/23/2016 06:16 PM
At least we can be fairly sure the stage won't walk far after landing.


I hope.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: S.Paulissen on 06/24/2016 12:49 AM
I think a lord of the rings reference might be appropriate as long as we didn't use it up for the CRS 7 launch.

"Delivering one ring to dock them all... again"

Soaron, the pay-Load of the the ring?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Cherokee43v6 on 06/24/2016 01:50 AM
I think a lord of the rings reference might be appropriate as long as we didn't use it up for the CRS 7 launch.

"Delivering one ring to dock them all... again"

Soaron, the pay-Load of the the ring?

I know others have asked for 'dislike' buttons...  but in this case, can we get a 'GROAN' button? ;)

On the other hand, it would probably get used against me... extensively! 8)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: S.Paulissen on 06/24/2016 05:14 AM
I know others have asked for 'dislike' buttons...  but in this case, can we get a 'GROAN' button? ;)

On the other hand, it would probably get used against me... extensively! 8)

Jealousy is a bad color on you ;p
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 06/24/2016 02:07 PM

I know others have asked for 'dislike' buttons...  but in this case, can we get a 'GROAN' button? ;)

On the other hand, it would probably get used against me... extensively! 8)

the like button IS the groan button in a party thread.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 06/25/2016 12:31 AM

the like button IS the groan button in a party thread.
Silly me, I thought it was the mod button.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: northenarc on 06/27/2016 06:51 PM
  Just saw this around the interwebs today and couldn't really think of another place to put it, I'm half expecting the guy is a forum member.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19mnsxcgjR0
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/27/2016 07:23 PM
  Just saw this around the interwebs today and couldn't really think of another place to put it, I'm half expecting the guy is a forum member.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19mnsxcgjR0

So the guy makes the Falcon 9 into a drone, landing it on a drone model of the drone ship and and and

CORE.MATTMASON.LOGIC.EXE has crashed with a divide-by-zero error, please reset the application
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: darkenfast on 06/28/2016 02:55 AM
Yes, but can it be re-fueled on the barge and fly back to the launch site?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Scylla on 06/28/2016 03:06 AM
Yes, but can it be re-fueled on the barge and fly back to the launch site?

SpaceX seems to approve.🚀

SpaceX ‏@SpaceX
Not bad, little off-center ;)
https://twitter.com/spacex
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Stan-1967 on 06/28/2016 04:06 AM
I can see that working in real life should some billionaire underwrite the test flight program. :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dodo on 06/28/2016 07:59 AM
Balancing that broomstick has some merit, though.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: MattMason on 06/28/2016 12:22 PM
Yes, but can it be re-fueled on the barge and fly back to the launch site?

SpaceX seems to approve.🚀

SpaceX ‏@SpaceX
Not bad, little off-center ;)
https://twitter.com/spacex

Not sure if SpaceX is or is not envious that the failures do not tip over and...explode.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Norm38 on 06/28/2016 12:51 PM
Balancing that broomstick has some merit, though.

That's some feedback loop to keep that thing stable. Impressive.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: meberbs on 06/28/2016 01:24 PM
Yes, but can it be re-fueled on the barge and fly back to the launch site?

SpaceX seems to approve.🚀

SpaceX ‏@SpaceX
Not bad, little off-center ;)
https://twitter.com/spacex

Not sure if SpaceX is or is not envious that the failures do not tip over and...explode.
Musk's response to this video is "cute!" ... I'm not sure what to think of that.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/747300198750183424
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 06/28/2016 02:08 PM
Not sure if SpaceX is or is not envious that the failures do not tip over and...explode.
It has Lithium Ion batteries, of course it can explode... ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 06/28/2016 02:24 PM
And now we can now celebrate 1 whole RUD-free year for SpaceX! :)
Here is for another such year, and another after, and another after.......
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 06/28/2016 03:33 PM
Balancing that broomstick has some merit, though.

That's some feedback loop to keep that thing stable. Impressive.

You think that loop's impressive, check out this one:

http://robohub.org/video-throwing-and-catching-an-inverted-pendulum-with-quadrocopters/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxFZ-VStApo
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 06/28/2016 10:40 PM
And now we can now celebrate 1 whole RUD-free year for SpaceX! :)
Here is for another such year, and another after, and another after.......

Ummm... one whole RUD free year for launches, but as for other RUDs (such as during landing), OCISLY and JRTI would beg to differ...  :P
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 06/28/2016 11:25 PM
And now we can now celebrate 1 whole RUD-free year for SpaceX! :)
Here is for another such year, and another after, and another after.......

Ummm... one whole RUD free year for launches, but as for other RUDs (such as during landing), OCISLY and JRTI would beg to differ...  :P

As long as they do their work, what they do on their own time is their business ... ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: yokem55 on 06/29/2016 02:25 AM
So with the downtime for this upcoming weekend in honor of us 'Muricans telling the British where exactly they can shove their Monarchy (apologies to Chris B), will the SpaceX employees have the opportunity to conduct extensive independent testing of the Auto FTS features of Tubular Glass Directed Low Altitude Solid Rockets? I know California tends to frown on such things, but are Texas or Florida any more amenable with such tests? Any forum members have any suggestions on testing methodology? I hear adding rubber band affixed strap on boosters can make for more exciting FTS events....
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 06/29/2016 08:52 PM
So with the downtime for this upcoming weekend in honor of us 'Muricans telling the British where exactly they can shove their Monarchy (apologies to Chris B), will the SpaceX employees have the opportunity to conduct extensive independent testing of the Auto FTS features of Tubular Glass Directed Low Altitude Solid Rockets? I know California tends to frown on such things, but are Texas or Florida any more amenable with such tests? Any forum members have any suggestions on testing methodology? I hear adding rubber band affixed strap on boosters can make for more exciting FTS events....

and I was going to post that it is quiet around here, too quiet...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 07/01/2016 05:38 AM
And now we can now celebrate 1 whole RUD-free year for SpaceX! :)
Here is for another such year, and another after, and another after.......

Speaking of RUD and things that use grid fins. Do you know what else uses grid fins?

The MOAB (Mother Of All Bombs) made by the U.S. Air Force, 9 m long, 10,000 kg.

GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-43/B_Massive_Ordnance_Air_Blast

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/MOABAFAM.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/MOAB_grid_fins.jpg)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JamesH65 on 07/01/2016 09:15 AM
So with the downtime for this upcoming weekend in honor of us 'Muricans telling the British where exactly they can shove their Monarchy (apologies to Chris B),

HM Queen vs Donald Trump*.

Bet you wish you'd stayed now!


* if he wins. But we've just left the EU (WHY????), and our major political parties have used it as an excuse to commit suicide, so anything is possible
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Kabloona on 07/01/2016 10:53 AM
And now we can now celebrate 1 whole RUD-free year for SpaceX! :)
Here is for another such year, and another after, and another after.......

Speaking of RUD and things that use grid fins. Do you know what else uses grid fins?

The MOAB (Mother Of All Bombs) made by the U.S. Air Force, 9 m long, 10,000 kg.

You're 5 years late to the MOAB party... ;)

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=21923.msg787578#msg787578
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 07/01/2016 04:53 PM
IMHO, the Soyuz capsule has grid fins on the payload fairing that extend immediately after a launch abort.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: abaddon on 07/01/2016 05:04 PM
IMHO, the Soyuz capsule has grid fins on the payload fairing that extend immediately after a launch abort.
I believe that is more than just your opinion ;).
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: e of pi on 07/01/2016 06:40 PM
You're 5 years late to the MOAB party... ;)
Would the BFR be the mother of all rockets? MOAR!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Kabloona on 07/01/2016 07:40 PM
You're 5 years late to the MOAB party... ;)
Would the BFR be the mother of all rockets? MOAR!

Would that make Bezos' "big brother" rocket a BOAR?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 07/01/2016 10:08 PM
You're 5 years late to the MOAB party... ;)
Would the BFR be the mother of all rockets? MOAR!

Would that make Bezos' "big brother" rocket a BOAR?

Or what about making the Falcon Heavy a ROAR, which might be the son/daughter of the BFR?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: yokem55 on 07/01/2016 10:12 PM
You're 5 years late to the MOAB party... ;)
Would the BFR be the mother of all rockets? MOAR!
You mean, it would be totally legit for us to say that SpaceX is using  "MOAR BOOSTERS!" to get to Mars?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: e of pi on 07/02/2016 03:43 AM
You mean, it would be totally legit for us to say that SpaceX is using  "MOAR BOOSTERS!" to get to Mars?
MOAR BOOSTERS using engines designed for MOAR THRUST!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 07/04/2016 03:07 AM
Just got accepted into my second lifetime NASA Social Media group, for CRS9. (Was also at CRS6.) At 63, I'm pretty sure I'm the oldest Social Media rep they've had. We'll get a couple of days of behind the scenes interviews and tours, and should be at the pre-launch press conference. Last time, somebody on the bus of 50 of us in the group summed it up perfectly: "Best 5th Grade Field Trip EVER!"

I was in a permanent state of awe and amazement, as a space nut for 57 of my years.

Anybody wants to get together for a beer when I'm not in KSC, hit me up. My wife is also going, since it's our 43rd anniversary, even though she can't be in the Social Media group. We have four other days to hang out. But the negotiations for this were.......delicate. :-)
Your sign is blocking the view of the rocket!!!

Seriously, this is super awesome news, and I'm glad your negotiations worked out. I expect I am not alone in wanting to give her a very hearty "thank you" for indulging your inner child (and helping the rest of us get more data!!!)....
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 07/04/2016 04:35 PM
With the CRS-9 mission, SpaceX will have launched more Dragon's (11) than NASA did Gemini's (10). Okay one Dragon launch failed. But one Gemini was sub-orbital, also.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rsnellenberger on 07/04/2016 06:26 PM
With the CRS-9 mission, SpaceX will have launched more Dragon's (11) than NASA did Gemini's (10). Okay one Dragon launch failed. But one Gemini was sub-orbital, also.  ;D
Unless you're getting super technical, Dragon needs this flight and the next one to pull ahead.  The Gemini 2 capsule (suborbital, on purpose) was reflown as "Gemini B" for the MOL project, so that's 11.5 successful flights for Gemini.

I've no idea of how to count Gemini 8... :-)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 07/04/2016 07:17 PM
Then SpaceX would have to fly a sub-orbital Dragon (from Florida to near Ascention Is!!) on a Falcon Heavy to match the 2nd flight of Gemini 2 on a Titan IIIC.  :o

Wait! Dragon. Falcon Heavy. Titan IIIC, LC-40....How about a Dragon MOL?!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 07/04/2016 08:29 PM
And yeah, NASA launched 12 Gemini capsules, two of which were unmanned and one of which (Gemini 2) was sub-orbital.  Only ten of them were manned, but since none of the Dragons have been manned, you're not comparing apples to apples.

And yes, as was pointed out, Spacecraft 2 was re-flown by the Air Force in the MOL test flight, so while 12 separate Gemini capsules were flown, one was flown twice.  There were 12 Gemini capsule orbital insertions among 13 launches.  Twelve of the launches were on Titan II launchers and one was on a Titan-IIIC.

Just to be nitpicking and technically correct... ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mgreb on 07/05/2016 11:29 AM
Somehow the Gemini 2 capsule got dumped off in to a suborbital trajectory while the mol stand in went into orbit. 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: abaddon on 07/05/2016 02:25 PM
Then SpaceX would have to fly a sub-orbital Dragon
SpaceX will be flying a sub-orbital Dragon - the in-flight abort test!  So they get to tick that box off... as long as we're not too demanding of how "sub" orbital it is.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 07/05/2016 03:13 PM
You mean, it would be totally legit for us to say that SpaceX is using  "MOAR BOOSTERS!" to get to Mars?
MOAR BOOSTERS using engines designed for MOAR THRUST!

(http://i.imgur.com/O0njidn.jpg)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: IntoTheVoid on 07/05/2016 06:06 PM
Actually, there have been unattended rocket launches from a planetary body. The Soviet lunar sample return missions.

Thanks, wasn't aware of that. Need to look it up now!
Luna 20 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_20

It looks like a Steampunk Christmas Tree.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 07/05/2016 07:46 PM
Somehow the Gemini 2 capsule got dumped off in to a suborbital trajectory while the mol stand in went into orbit.

Correction gladly noted!  :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 07/08/2016 06:01 PM
Quote
Yeah, duh, but you're confusing "intelligence" and "IQ".

How did the CRS-9 discussion turn into a Mensa meeting?
Most of us probably qualify for Mensa?  But ya, let's think about being back on topic again, secure in the knowledge that our posts will be safe from deletion if we do.

That would be the intelligent choice.
You're some kind of wise guy, aren't you?

OK seriously. Done.

Service announcement:
Here in the party thread, snarky comments and irony are actually welcomed and encouraged. So if someone finds their creativity (rightly) curtailed in the serious business threads, they can bring their enormous intellects, humor and innuendo home.

...and now back to your regularly schedule program...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 07/09/2016 04:20 PM
Based on the most recent photos of LC-39A, doesn't it look like SpaceX loves taking its time constructing that launch pad? I mean, there's been no major changes lately!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 07/09/2016 09:57 PM
I'm just waiting for the Falcon is happy to use LC-39A changes!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: 411rocket on 07/09/2016 10:47 PM

Service announcement:
Here in the party thread, snarky comments and irony are actually welcomed and encouraged. So if someone finds their creativity (rightly) curtailed in the serious business threads, they can bring their enormous intellects, humor and innuendo home.

...and now back to your regularly schedule program...

Now posted in this thread with permission

Not sure how well, a baggie of catnip will go over with him..........  ;D

Anyone that thinks the next SpaceX rocket after FH is a 15 meter, 15 million Lbf rocket is on some good stuff.

And we intend to share it with you. I'll send you a baggie.

After all, it'll help get you that moon base you've always wanted.

Just because something is unbelievable doesn't necessarily mean impossible or unlikely, although it may mean a reprioritisation of an individual's belief system. That might be mine, that might be yours. Either way, we'll know for sure this year.

Hahahahahaha.... x∞ .... Oh God, that's brilliant.

If you had me in any more stitches, I'd need a surgeon. Thank you for enhancing my afternoon!  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 07/10/2016 05:55 PM
That would be the intelligent choice.
You're some kind of wise guy, aren't you?

(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/57178000.jpg)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Space Ghost 1962 on 07/10/2016 07:00 PM
Funny you mention it ...

Often what I see on this forum looks to me like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk6_7DTVN8Q
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 07/11/2016 01:35 AM
And yeah, NASA launched 12 Gemini capsules, two of which were unmanned and one of which (Gemini 2) was sub-orbital.  Only ten of them were manned, but since none of the Dragons have been manned, you're not comparing apples to apples.

And yes, as was pointed out, Spacecraft 2 was re-flown by the Air Force in the MOL test flight, so while 12 separate Gemini capsules were flown, one was flown twice.  There were 12 Gemini capsule orbital insertions among 13 launches.  Twelve of the launches were on Titan II launchers and one was on a Titan-IIIC.

Just to be nitpicking and technically correct... ;)

Okay, I can't count. Somehow I was only counting the 10 crewed Gemini missions and forgot to add the uncrewed test missions.   :o

The Gemini astronauts also drove some Kool sports cars. I wonder if Dragon crews will drive Tesla's?  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: edkyle99 on 07/11/2016 02:07 AM
Somehow the Gemini 2 capsule got dumped off in to a suborbital trajectory while the mol stand in went into orbit. 
Transtage fired during the ascent to put the Gemini into a suborbital trajectory to Ascension Island.  After Gemini separation, Transtage fired again to reach a 77 x 168 nmi transfer orbit.  It fired a third time at first apogee to put MOL and itself into a 160 x 162 nmi x 32.86 deg orbit.  Or something like that.

 - Ed Kyle
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 07/13/2016 01:07 AM
Hopefully we will get a Falcon 9 landing at the end of a rainbow real soon.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 07/14/2016 04:04 PM
Anyone do a double take on J-Sat 16?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Craftyatom on 07/14/2016 10:26 PM
SpaceX provided these photos of engineers and technicians loading the International Docking Adapter into the trunk of the Dragon spacecraft for launch to the International Space Station. Known as IDA-2, the docking ring is tailored to the international docking standard for future human-rated spacecraft and is outfitted with sensors and instruments designed to accommodate new spacecraft carrying astronauts to the orbiting laboratory. There is a lot more to the IDA story and you can read about it here: http://go.nasa.gov/2a9xpTN

After many NSF users made a number of untoward comments about whether the method in which the previous IDA was fastened into the trunk was responsible for the failure of the flight carrying it to orbit, the individuals involved have released many more photos this time around, as if to say "Come at me, bro"...

...  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 07/17/2016 07:04 PM
Hey!  Guys!

GUYS!!!

We have a Falcon 9 launch and RTLS booster recovery in less than ten hours!

WAKE UP!

LET'S PARTY!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 07/17/2016 07:39 PM
It sure is quiet in here.

Too quiet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWyzwo1xg0
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: John Alan on 07/17/2016 07:56 PM
I think this mission has everyone on edge a bit... does me anyway...  :-\

Everything leading up to launch has been perfect... weather is perfect...
Another IDA hangs under the Dragon...
Last time we were "here" things went "all wrong"... (CRS-7)

SO yes... I'm sitting here watching the clock... but worried...
Party mood?... ONLY if all goes well... (including the landing)...
Not before...  :-X
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JFARNS on 07/17/2016 08:49 PM
I agree with the NASA rep who said they have 100% confidence in SpaceX. It seems,however that my stomach has only about 10% :-[
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: southshore26 on 07/17/2016 09:44 PM
I think this mission has everyone on edge a bit... does me anyway...  :-\

Everything leading up to launch has been perfect... weather is perfect...
Another IDA hangs under the Dragon...
Last time we were "here" things went "all wrong"... (CRS-7)

SO yes... I'm sitting here watching the clock... but worried...
Party mood?... ONLY if all goes well... (including the landing)...
Not before...  :-X

+1
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: IntoTheVoid on 07/17/2016 09:52 PM
I think this mission has everyone on edge a bit... does me anyway...  :-\

Everything leading up to launch has been perfect... weather is perfect...
Another IDA hangs under the Dragon...
Last time we were "here" things went "all wrong"... (CRS-7)

SO yes... I'm sitting here watching the clock... but worried...
Party mood?... ONLY if all goes well... (including the landing)...
Not before...  :-X

+1

This neuroticism is off topic in a party thread; particularly on launch day.  ::)

The party pooper thread is over there.  ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: John Alan on 07/17/2016 10:01 PM
I think this mission has everyone on edge a bit... does me anyway...  :-\

Everything leading up to launch has been perfect... weather is perfect...
Another IDA hangs under the Dragon...
Last time we were "here" things went "all wrong"... (CRS-7)

SO yes... I'm sitting here watching the clock... but worried...
Party mood?... ONLY if all goes well... (including the landing)...
Not before...  :-X

+1

This neuroticism is off topic in a party thread; particularly on launch day.  ::)

The party pooper thread is over there.  ;)

Lar commented it was too quiet... and I stated why I thought that was...
From the looks of the likes and replies... I'm not alone...
Sorry for being the party pooper... I so hope I am wrong...  :-\
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Barrie on 07/17/2016 10:18 PM
I think the atmos is low-key because there are no real firsts coming up.  Landing done before, RTLS done before...just need to make good on the IDA delivery.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: meberbs on 07/17/2016 10:46 PM
In the interests of this being a party thread, Friday's xkcd is appropriate:

http://xkcd.com/1707/

(don't forget to read the mousover text)

I wonder if the SpaceX feature on the phone can be modified to also do RTLS, that may be more useful :P
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: IntoTheVoid on 07/17/2016 11:03 PM
In the interests of this being a party thread, Friday's xkcd is appropriate:

http://xkcd.com/1707/

(don't forget to read the mousover text)

I wonder if the SpaceX feature on the phone can be modified to also do RTLS, that may be more useful :P

I suspect that's why it has the wings, to increase the crossrange.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 07/17/2016 11:37 PM
I think this mission has everyone on edge a bit... does me anyway...  :-\

Everything leading up to launch has been perfect... weather is perfect...
Another IDA hangs under the Dragon...
Last time we were "here" things went "all wrong"... (CRS-7)

SO yes... I'm sitting here watching the clock... but worried...
Party mood?... ONLY if all goes well... (including the landing)...
Not before...  :-X

+1

This neuroticism is off topic in a party thread; particularly on launch day.  ::)

The party pooper thread is over there.  ;)

1. That's true -- old 'roticism is much more our speed.

2. Verry interesting ... I'd no idea we even *had* a pooty parper thread ... ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Scylla on 07/17/2016 11:54 PM
Too much talking, not enough dancing at this party.😎

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: scienceguy on 07/18/2016 12:07 AM
Too much dancing, not nearly enough prancing!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: eric_astro on 07/18/2016 12:37 AM
Note to self- I will witness the 202(4) launch(es) in person, (and how many million others ?) 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 07/18/2016 02:45 AM
Okay, I've had my mission peanuts -- honey-roasted Planter's.  Just looked at a video of the last mostly-successful ASDS landing (the one that went walkabout on the deck), have the technical webcast loaded in a separate browser window and have NASA TV coming in, in beautiful high definition, on the main 48" HD TV at the near end of the room, showing Earth views.

And I'm two hours early.

C'mon, guys, we need to get some life into this party, if for no other reason that to keep each other awake while awaiting the launch... :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: faramund on 07/18/2016 02:58 AM
Downunder in OZ its 1pm - so no problems with staying up - well normally... Except my sleep patterns are all over the place because I've been watching the tour-de-france.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: yokem55 on 07/18/2016 03:09 AM
Okay, I've had my mission peanuts -- honey-roasted Planter's.  Just looked at a video of the last mostly-successful ASDS landing (the one that went walkabout on the deck), have the technical webcast loaded in a separate browser window and have NASA TV coming in, in beautiful high definition, on the main 48" HD TV at the near end of the room, showing Earth views.

And I'm two hours early.

C'mon, guys, we need to get some life into this party, if for no other reason that to keep each other awake while awaiting the launch... :)
Phsaw, here on the west coast, the night is still young.  I'm getting ready to take my pork shoulder off my smoker after its been on it since 8:30 this morning.. Gotta let it sit for a bit, then I'll shred it, add some BBQ sauce and make myself a nice samich and open a local beer just in time for launch.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: NASAGeek on 07/18/2016 03:23 AM
Got my coffee and Nasa TV on and just waiting on the technical webcast feed to start. Gota love late night early morning launches
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: WindnWar on 07/18/2016 03:32 AM
I see a rocket on the pad under the darkness of night at the start of NASA TV coverage. I have my glass of Hibiki here and I'm feeling all warm an fuzzy for this launch.


Go baby go!  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 07/18/2016 03:45 AM
This mission does have a serious payload which may put us in a funk

IDA
One ring to dock them all
And in the darkness bind them
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 07/18/2016 03:48 AM
This mission does have a serious payload which may put us in a funk

IDA
One ring to dock them all
And in the darkness bind them

Don't worry -- they're taking it up to the top of Mt. Doom, where it will be melted into the cauldron of the PMA...

:D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: K-P on 07/18/2016 03:57 AM
Whatta...

I don't wanna be a party pooper, but I just woke up and had a nightmare about this launch. Honestly. And I never see any dreams about Spacex.

So, I witnessed the launch and after engine ignition two of the launch pad latches did not separate. And the rocket started to turn dramatically. Finally it got separated but was flying towards the audience. And then range had to self-destruct it. But it was partially too late...

Oh man...

Luckily my dreams never come true, but still. Wasn't the best wake-up for me. Let's hope all the best for Falcon in this reality.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Jarnis on 07/18/2016 04:08 AM
Party time. May've been quiet earlier because, well, Europeans all sleeping to wake up bright and early.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 07/18/2016 04:29 AM
15 minutes until the lunch window opens!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 07/18/2016 05:00 AM
STUCK IT!

Dragon is on its own, solar arrays deployed, on it's way to the space station. First stage landed successfully at LZ1, everything so far is perfect
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ronpur50 on 07/18/2016 05:01 AM
Wow, heard a sonic boom here in Orlando just a few minutes ago.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: WindnWar on 07/18/2016 05:01 AM
Time for another drink!!!

Congrats to all the worked their butts off, now everyone holding their lucky ritual get back in here, its time to party!!!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 07/18/2016 05:04 AM
Doh! Now SpaceX has to find another parking space for a used booster.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 07/18/2016 05:10 AM
Stuck with my mobile phone on ratty network playing video at 144p at the office. Well at least it worked.....

Oh and time to update my Pokédex....  ::)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Jarnis on 07/18/2016 05:15 AM
Wow, heard a sonic boom here in Orlando just a few minutes ago.

That's just the "Falcon 9 returning after a mission" sound effect.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/18/2016 05:19 AM
Another success, another landing and another SpaceX event where we stayed up throughout and with guests on.

That makes for a happy Chris.

Thanks again to all our team, especially Mark with the server hamsters and the L2 members, without whom there's no way we'd be able to afford the hosting packages we're on.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 07/18/2016 09:35 AM
Amazing composite image from Reddit SpaceX forum of CRS-9 launch, reentry and landing burns.

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/4tdi30/heres_my_long_exposure_photograph_of_the_falcon_9/

(http://i.imgur.com/sy6cSDV.jpg)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CorvusCorax on 07/18/2016 09:59 AM
"Welcome to the cape, we are very happy that you have chosen our historic location for another successful private space business. This will be your hangar, complete with runway access, airconditioning, and rails to your newly developed launch pad."

"But ... it's full already! What's all these?"

"Oh . Those... I'm sorry... Well that's a bit embarrassing, but don't worry about it, those are just some stored Falcon9 first stages, they are all over the place lately. I'm gonna call SpaceX and have them cleared out till Monday."
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ronpur50 on 07/18/2016 03:06 PM
Wow, heard a sonic boom here in Orlando just a few minutes ago.

That's just the "Falcon 9 returning after a mission" sound effect.

Yes, at it is awesome to hear the boom of a returning space craft again!!  I have missed the sound these last 5 years....   :(
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: king1999 on 07/18/2016 04:49 PM
Catch a Dragon! (Wondering if Pokemon is banned here, haven't seen this posted :) )

(https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/EmgZyQuLsRoSlbfz-blYGtuJCEE=/0x22:703x417/1600x900/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/50140063/2016-07-17_22_06_16.0.0.gif)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: bjornl on 07/18/2016 05:12 PM
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 07/18/2016 05:55 PM
Updates - in here.
One post of congrats - per tradition - in here.

Discussion (including discussion of updates) - in the discussion thread.

Random whooping - Party Thread.

Simples ;D


(Trying to resist........ )


Whoop... Whoop..


(failed)
 ???
 ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: 411rocket on 07/18/2016 07:20 PM
Doh! Now SpaceX has to find another parking space for a used booster.  ;D

It would really bite, if they needed to have someone to feed a line of Parking Meters, for as long as it is there.

Photo shop job for someone, a F9 parked along a curbside string of Parking Meters.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ludus on 07/19/2016 05:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwyA367LfaY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwyA367LfaY)

Apparently a few months old but I just saw it.

The most interesting man in the world retires....to Mars. Stay thirsty my friends.

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 07/19/2016 07:03 AM
Catch a Dragon! (Wondering if Pokemon is banned here, haven't seen this posted :) )

Clearly they're Team Rocket.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 07/19/2016 12:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwyA367LfaY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwyA367LfaY)

Apparently a few months old but I just saw it.

The most interesting man in the world retires....to Mars. Stay thirsty my friends.

Although the rocket depicted near the end was the Space Launch System, Dos Equis clearly edited the side view replay of the STS-129 launch. Compare that commercial with the replay I'll post below this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDwH9UlRIjc
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: WindnWar on 07/19/2016 01:58 PM
This mission does have a serious payload which may put us in a funk

IDA
One ring to dock them all
And in the darkness bind them

Don't worry -- they're taking it up to the top of Mt. Doom, where it will be melted into the cauldron of the PMA...

:D

Is it just me or did the three engine burn look like the eye of Sauron?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: teetlebomb on 07/19/2016 04:57 PM
This mission does have a serious payload which may put us in a funk

IDA
One ring to dock them all
And in the darkness bind them

Don't worry -- they're taking it up to the top of Mt. Doom, where it will be melted into the cauldron of the PMA...

:D

Is it just me or did the three engine burn look like the eye of Sauron?
I do see the similarity!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 07/19/2016 05:13 PM
Clearly, the evidence speaks for itself.

Elon Musk is Sauron.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: guckyfan on 07/19/2016 06:29 PM
Is it just me or did the three engine burn look like the eye of Sauron?

My thougt during the live stream, yes it clearly is.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 07/19/2016 08:40 PM
Clearly, the evidence speaks for itself.

Elon Musk is Sauron.

Which means he must be destroyed!

But... but... <whispering heard directly into ear: "I... can... take... you... to... Mars...>

No... Elon is not evil!  He... will.. take... us... to... Mars...

All... hail... Elon...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Antilope7724 on 07/20/2016 02:41 AM
NASA - Needed Another SpaceX Ascent  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 07/20/2016 03:02 AM
Clearly, the evidence speaks for itself.

Elon Musk is Sauron.

Oh, eye?  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: darkenfast on 07/20/2016 04:48 AM
Yes. AlleyeSauronElon.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 07/20/2016 05:27 AM
This mission does have a serious payload which may put us in a funk

IDA
One ring to dock them all
And in the darkness bind them

Don't worry -- they're taking it up to the top of Mt. Doom, where it will be melted into the cauldron of the PMA...

:D

The fires in Mt. Doom were found to be insufficient, so the National Advisory Council of Elrond decided to destroy it in the heat of reentry.  And, they learned from their previous missteps.  Someone pointed out that last time they could have just flown it all the way to Mt. Doom on Eagle-back.  So, this time, they aren't messing about with the long trek.  The Eagles are otherwise occupied, so it's being sent on a Falcon.  After a period of isolation, it will finally be destroyed when the ISS is de-orbited.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mfck on 07/20/2016 10:12 AM
This mission does have a serious payload which may put us in a funk

IDA
One ring to dock them all
And in the darkness bind them

Don't worry -- they're taking it up to the top of Mt. Doom, where it will be melted into the cauldron of the PMA...

:D

Is it just me or did the three engine burn look like the eye of Sauron?
I do see the similarity!
One Booster To Launch Them All
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: abaddon on 07/20/2016 02:06 PM
Clearly, the evidence speaks for itself.

Elon Musk is Sauron.
Actually, I think that would make him Morgoth.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 07/20/2016 03:22 PM
Clearly, the evidence speaks for itself.

Elon Musk is Sauron.
Actually, I think that would make him Morgoth.

Naw -- at worst, I think Elon just follows Sauron, does his bidding, and enables his manifestations.

That would make Elon Saruman....
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: e of pi on 07/20/2016 03:29 PM
All right, so Dragon is up and berthed, now the race is one: can SpaceX get one, maybe even two comm sats off while it's still up there? :P
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mfck on 07/21/2016 09:07 PM


Mars 2020 rover mission to cost more than $2 billion

Quote
NASA’s next flagship Mars mission, the Mars 2020 rover, moves into its next phase of development, agency officials say the mission will cost $2.1 billion, more than originally estimated for a mission that they argue will also be more capable than first planned.

http://spacenews.com/mars-2020-rover-mission-to-cost-more-than-2-billion/

Well, assuming the MCT starts flying in 2021 as announced, by 2026 Mars 2020 Rover will have good chances to find Life on Mars. Is it not worth a billion or three?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Jarnis on 07/21/2016 09:10 PM


Mars 2020 rover mission to cost more than $2 billion

Quote
NASA’s next flagship Mars mission, the Mars 2020 rover, moves into its next phase of development, agency officials say the mission will cost $2.1 billion, more than originally estimated for a mission that they argue will also be more capable than first planned.

http://spacenews.com/mars-2020-rover-mission-to-cost-more-than-2-billion/

Well, assuming the MCT starts flying in 2021 as announced, by 2026 Mars 2020 Rover will have good chances to find Life on Mars. Is it not worth a billion or three?


Hey, flying there and adding life to Mars is cheating, you know.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: IntoTheVoid on 07/23/2016 06:51 PM
Barber landing is 15% lower.

Don't get Elon mad again. It's a "drone ship," not a barber.  ;)

Hmmm -- wonder if a red-and-white-spiral-striped pole would help those marginal landings succeed?  Just might be the thing that shaves the day ... ;D

Falcon does always come back with a severe haircut.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: AncientU on 07/24/2016 01:11 PM


Mars 2020 rover mission to cost more than $2 billion

Quote
NASA’s next flagship Mars mission, the Mars 2020 rover, moves into its next phase of development, agency officials say the mission will cost $2.1 billion, more than originally estimated for a mission that they argue will also be more capable than first planned.

http://spacenews.com/mars-2020-rover-mission-to-cost-more-than-2-billion/

Well, assuming the MCT starts flying in 2021 as announced, by 2026 Mars 2020 Rover will have good chances to find Life on Mars. Is it not worth a billion or three?


Maybe it can be reprogrammed to deliver pizzas.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: IntoTheVoid on 07/26/2016 01:07 AM
If Hubble is operable, there will researchers trying to get time on it: outdated or not, it's better than anything on the ground.

No, it's not better than anything on the ground. (1) AO has improved a lot. (2) New wide-field cameras on e.g. Subaru are insane.

Great for parking, but astronomy while driving is just unsafe.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: TripD on 07/29/2016 10:56 PM
September is coming around the bend.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 08/05/2016 04:22 PM
Can't we can still suggest party name thread names just for entertainment value?

They will never be used, but this is what keeps us occupied during the LONNNNGGGG  wait between launches.

How about
     Sweet JSAT-16 Party thread
or
    A rolling stage launches AMOS party thread

Olympic style match score:
     JSAT -16.. AMOS 6, JSAT wins!

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Scylla on 08/05/2016 06:32 PM
Every time someone calls new SpaceX S1 transporter the/a "retriever", I keep getting this image in my head.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ClayJar on 08/06/2016 11:35 PM
Can't we can still suggest party name thread names just for entertainment value?

They will never be used, but this is what keeps us occupied during the LONNNNGGGG  wait between launches.

So, like the "Sixteen's Candle Party Thread"?  8)

Out of curiosity, I looked up Amos 6, but when Amos 6:1 started out "Woe to them...", it just didn't seem sufficiently party-like.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 08/13/2016 03:10 PM
Hey, everybody!

PARTY TONIGHT!!!!!

:D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ClayJar on 08/13/2016 05:50 PM
I could use a party.  My sister's family's house and the apartment there I just finished building for my parents are now underwater (they had to use one of my PaddleBR canoes to get out).  We're watching my girlfriend's parents' house to see whether they'll need to evacuate.  I'm pretty sure a large number of coworkers and friends are awash as well.  My sister has flood insurance, of course, even though she wasn't supposed to even be in the 100-year flood zone, and I should be able to do an even better job drywalling the second time in two months, right? :P

(I paddled the Comite River just north of town last week, hitting multiple sandbars due to the normal low water level.  It's up 33'/10m since Thursday or so.  The Amite River already blew through its all-time record, and it's still rising. To give a sense of perspective here in flat south Louisiana, my house in the high mid-city part of Baton Rouge is at 55' above MSL, and my girlfriend's house, which has never come close to flooding, is about 25' above MSL in the SE part of town, so a river up 33' is a big deal.)

To make this tangential to spaceflight, there are now no roads (including I-10 and I-12) open heading east from Baton Rouge, so I can guarantee there will be no SpaceX stage transports going through here for at least several days. ;)  And if anyone has ever wanted to tear out drywall, insulation, carpet, etc., have I got a once-in-a-century opportunity for you! ;D

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 08/14/2016 02:13 AM
Wow, CJ, I'm sorry to hear that natural disaster is hitting so close to home, there.  Best wishes on a speedy recovery from the damage.  And, as I learned from Mike Holmes on TV, make sure you let the timbers in the framing dry completely before you put up the new drywall, or you just end up with a mold problem that cannot be remediated.

So, that said -- we're three hours and 23 minutes from launch.  How are y'all getting ready for the party?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Eagandale4114 on 08/14/2016 03:19 AM
Just some background music for the party

http://www.spacexfm.com/
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ronpur50 on 08/14/2016 04:34 AM
I am at my brother's house about 15 miles west of the Cape.  Should have a great view, and a bed is just inside the door, no drive home!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 08/14/2016 04:42 AM
Gee, it's quiet in here.

I guess even the people who were following these flights avidly just a few months ago are now jaded -- this is just getting too routine, I guess.

I dunno, I can't ever get enough of this.  So, I must be one of the craziest of the crazy... :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JebK on 08/14/2016 04:54 AM
Gee, it's quiet in here.

I guess even the people who were following these flights avidly just a few months ago are now jaded -- this is just getting too routine, I guess.

I dunno, I can't ever get enough of this.  So, I must be one of the craziest of the crazy... :)

It never gets old for me.  I love Launch Day! :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 08/14/2016 04:56 AM
Wife's insulin pump is set to go off 10 minutes before launch. That should wake me (and the dead) up just in time.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sanman on 08/14/2016 04:59 AM
Greetings fellow party-lovers  8)

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Damon Hill on 08/14/2016 05:02 AM
No Internet service at home; I'm setting up shop at the McD's up the street.  Free refills on the $1 Coke.  I'm good to go until the laptop battery dies...   :/
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: seawolfe on 08/14/2016 05:02 AM
Time to get the party ready to start!  :D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Skamp_X on 08/14/2016 05:03 AM
just me or spacex link really struggling? yes just the funky music atm, but sound is really distorted
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: seawolfe on 08/14/2016 05:08 AM
just me or spacex link really struggling? yes just the funky music atm, but sound is really distorted

Others are reporting it but I've got both going and the music isn't bad, not my choice, but I've experienced no lagging for either video or sound.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Craftyatom on 08/14/2016 05:09 AM
just me or spacex link really struggling? yes just the funky music atm, but sound is really distorted

I'll be honest, I thought that was part of the music...  Was kinda getting into it, too :P

Anyways, the stream restart seems to have fixed it (and as I say that the intro plays)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JebK on 08/14/2016 05:11 AM
Now it is "Landing Attempt" instead of "Experimental Landing".
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sanman on 08/14/2016 05:13 AM
No Internet service at home; I'm setting up shop at the McD's up the street.  Free refills on the $1 Coke.  I'm good to go until the laptop battery dies...   :/

Heh, what - no smartphone?  ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Skamp_X on 08/14/2016 05:14 AM
back to normal so , false alarm :)
in spacex I trust , gogogo
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris_Pi on 08/14/2016 05:14 AM
Now it is "Landing Attempt" instead of "Experimental Landing".

"Enough of this trying. Let's just go and do it."
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: yokem55 on 08/14/2016 05:20 AM
Gee, it's quiet in here.

I guess even the people who were following these flights avidly just a few months ago are now jaded -- this is just getting too routine, I guess.

I dunno, I can't ever get enough of this.  So, I must be one of the craziest of the crazy... :)
I'm just glad that NBC finally got around to showing us West Coast folks Michael Phelps last race before launch time...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris_Pi on 08/14/2016 05:22 AM
No kidding about routine - I just went to grab something quick and tried to hit pause on the video.  :-[
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Damon Hill on 08/14/2016 05:30 AM
So far, so good.   Still got 30 minutes on the laptop battery.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Damon Hill on 08/14/2016 05:36 AM
Stage 1 has landed, but no video.  Good night for a party!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JebK on 08/14/2016 05:38 AM
It is still on fire.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Skamp_X on 08/14/2016 05:38 AM
Landed , now make it boring please :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: seawolfe on 08/14/2016 05:40 AM
Video stopped just as the landing was coming into view.  When it resumed, we get to see the rocket just a hair off dead center and this time, from three different camera view.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: seawolfe on 08/14/2016 05:44 AM
Looks like the hosted site closed so that everyone could go celebrate....party, party, party!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ronpur50 on 08/14/2016 05:47 AM
That was awesome!  I haven't been this close to a launch in years.  The whole sky turned orange, and stayed that way.  A streak appeared high in the clouds, which must be some type of reflection.  Then the big orange ball of fire starts to rise above the trees.  It kept rising steadily for about two minutes.  And just as it started to fade out, the sound finally caught up to us and we could hear the low, distant rumble of those 9 Merlins!! 

Next time, we get closer!





Edit: Spelling, it was 1:45 am!!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Craftyatom on 08/14/2016 05:48 AM
It is still on fire.

Just a little bit...  looks like some of the gaseous purges helped a bit.  But yeah, still technically on fire.  Get working on it, Elon :P
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: UberNobody on 08/14/2016 05:48 AM
SpaceX is rapidly running out of storage space!  What a problem to have, amiright?  8)

Time to bring out the blow torches and cut some cores down to size  :o ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: seawolfe on 08/14/2016 05:50 AM
SpaceX is rapidly running out of storage space!  What a problem to have, amiright?  8)

Time to bring out the blow torches and cut some cores down to size  :o ;D

What?  Nobody wants to buy a "pre-owned" rocket?  :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dgates on 08/14/2016 05:50 AM
SpaceX is rapidly running out of storage space!  What a problem to have, amiright?  8)

Time to bring out the blow torches and cut some cores down to size  :o ;D
Souvenir sized pieces and sell them in the gift shop? :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: seawolfe on 08/14/2016 06:00 AM
Deploy and congrats to SpaceX once again!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: hamerad on 08/14/2016 06:00 AM
Any other kerbal players see that orbital map and keep trying to change the view/zoom out?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 08/14/2016 06:06 AM
SpaceX is rapidly running out of storage space!  What a problem to have, amiright?  8)

Time to bring out the blow torches and cut some cores down to size  :o ;D
Souvenir sized pieces and sell them in the gift shop? :)

Don't know, sounds like one could make a dollar or two building storage unit rentals and renting them to space X.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 08/14/2016 06:08 AM
Was always going to be an easier one due to the time, but still a big surge and still coped with guests on. Thanks to our team for boosting us up to cope and for the L2 members who pay for these beefed up and very capable hosting packages!

Surge in real time (via the google analytics page). Heck, the lower line was pretty busy, nevermind the surge.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: octavo on 08/14/2016 06:09 AM
Any other kerbal players see that orbital map and keep trying to change the view/zoom out?
Lol, all the time!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ClayJar on 08/14/2016 12:54 PM
Wow, CJ, I'm sorry to hear that natural disaster is hitting so close to home, there.  Best wishes on a speedy recovery from the damage.

Thanks. I'm going to have to have a party-as-live later, as I'm (thankfully) still at my girlfriend's parents' place. We sent her parents to safety, and we've been working against the water, trying to keep at least one house "dry". Still touch and go, but we haven't failed yet.

If the second derivative of water level by time ticks ever so slightly toward our favor, we still have a chance that we just might win (at least mostly).  8)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 08/14/2016 01:31 PM
I could use a party.  My sister's family's house and the apartment there I just finished building for my parents are now underwater (they had to use one of my PaddleBR canoes to get out).  We're watching my girlfriend's parents' house to see whether they'll need to evacuate.  I'm pretty sure a large number of coworkers and friends are awash as well.  My sister has flood insurance, of course, even though she wasn't supposed to even be in the 100-year flood zone, and I should be able to do an even better job drywalling the second time in two months, right? :P

(I paddled the Comite River just north of town last week, hitting multiple sandbars due to the normal low water level.  It's up 33'/10m since Thursday or so.  The Amite River already blew through its all-time record, and it's still rising. To give a sense of perspective here in flat south Louisiana, my house in the high mid-city part of Baton Rouge is at 55' above MSL, and my girlfriend's house, which has never come close to flooding, is about 25' above MSL in the SE part of town, so a river up 33' is a big deal.)

To make this tangential to spaceflight, there are now no roads (including I-10 and I-12) open heading east from Baton Rouge, so I can guarantee there will be no SpaceX stage transports going through here for at least several days. ;)  And if anyone has ever wanted to tear out drywall, insulation, carpet, etc., have I got a once-in-a-century opportunity for you! ;D
Difficult to imagine what you folks are going through unless you experienced it first hand. Family members, friends being safe, photo memories and mementos are really the only important things, the rest is just "stuff"... Stay strong, pick-up and rebuild it's what "we" do best! :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: DanielW on 08/14/2016 05:03 PM
Very late to the party, but I wish I could have witnessed the hosting crew directly after the feed cut for the last time and the guy on the right demanded to know what the lady was talking about when she claimed that she puts multiple layers of aluminum between herself and the campfire.

The look on his face was priceless as he showed remarkable on camera restraint.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Jarnis on 08/14/2016 05:14 PM
just me or spacex link really struggling? yes just the funky music atm, but sound is really distorted

This looked like the biggest glitch of the whole launch and even this was sorted before the start of the actual broadcast :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JazzFan on 08/14/2016 05:49 PM
Congrats SpaceX and a gold medal for successful launch, deployment, and recovery.  I've lost track of how many S1 cores have been recovered to date.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: John Alan on 08/16/2016 08:16 AM
Congrats SpaceX and a gold medal for successful launch, deployment, and recovery.  I've lost track of how many S1 cores have been recovered to date.

6...  ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: KelvinZero on 08/16/2016 10:06 AM
I think it is awesome that SpaceX successful returns are slipping lower and lower in the article. No longer in the heading, now a sentence at the bottom of the first paragraph, eventually to take it's place alongside "A 747 did not crash today".. Impending mundanity is exciting! :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Wolfram66 on 08/16/2016 02:10 PM
Wow, CJ, I'm sorry to hear that natural disaster is hitting so close to home, there.  Best wishes on a speedy recovery from the damage.

Thanks. I'm going to have to have a party-as-live later, as I'm (thankfully) still at my girlfriend's parents' place. We sent her parents to safety, and we've been working against the water, trying to keep at least one house "dry". Still touch and go, but we haven't failed yet.

If the second derivative of water level by time ticks ever so slightly toward our favor, we still have a chance that we just might win (at least mostly).  8)

Having lived in Lafayette and I still have friends in New Iberia, my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your community
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 08/16/2016 02:10 PM
I think it is awesome that SpaceX successful returns are slipping lower and lower in the article. No longer in the heading, now a sentence at the bottom of the first paragraph, eventually to take it's place alongside "A 747 did not crash today".. Impending mundanity is exciting! :)

Just check avHerald. You are correct,... the 737 and a320 family account for the bulk of today's incidents.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 08/18/2016 03:46 PM
OK time for the next fake party thread naming effort:

SpaceX Elon-Amos the next Step Party Thread.

(what too obscure? do I have to explain?)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 08/18/2016 04:09 PM
Congrats SpaceX and a gold medal for successful launch, deployment, and recovery.  I've lost track of how many S1 cores have been recovered to date.
No worries, Elon is just going to stack them like "cords of wood"... Then he can bundle the for sale prices... ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 08/18/2016 09:40 PM
I was seriously going to post this in the discussion thread, but I'm unsure whether it's new for the last launch or the one before, but it fits okay here anyway, so....

On the webcast, the event bar at the bottom has been changed. It used to read "Experimental landing attempt". Now it just says "Landing attempt".

My prediction: they'll soon lose the "attempt", too.

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Craftyatom on 08/18/2016 09:47 PM
Congrats SpaceX and a gold medal for successful launch, deployment, and recovery.  I've lost track of how many S1 cores have been recovered to date.
No worries, Elon is just going to stack them like "cords of wood"... Then he can bundle the for sale prices... ;D

I think you've just described Falcon Heavy.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JMS on 08/19/2016 01:50 AM
Being pedantic, Kevin... in aviation, "incident" and "accident" are very specifically defined. A crash would never be defined as an "incident."
Carry on with the party.

Just check avHerald. You are correct,... the 737 and a320 family account for the bulk of today's incidents.

...eventually to take it's place alongside "A 747 did not crash today".. Impending mundanity is exciting! :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ClayJar on 08/19/2016 02:27 PM
I have now had a chance to activate my YouTube-tardis and rejoin the launch party as-live.  Easier to sync the technical and hosted streams when you don't have to stay realtime, too.  8)

So, recapping the weekend, my parents and two of my sisters flooded, mb and I valiantly fought the floodwaters at her parents' place and saved it (with a few finger widths left before the sandbags overtopped), SpaceX had a fantastic-looking launch, and another first stage is now sitting around thinking about its next turn.

I suppose it'll do.  Now to see what's faster: rebuilding a few houses after flood damage, or getting a Falcon Heavy put together and rolled out at the pad. ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 08/19/2016 03:27 PM
Being pedantic, Kevin... in aviation, "incident" and "accident" are very specifically defined. A crash would never be defined as an "incident."
Carry on with the party.

Just check avHerald. You are correct,... the 737 and a320 family account for the bulk of today's incidents.

...eventually to take it's place alongside "A 747 did not crash today".. Impending mundanity is exciting! :)

Well to carry on, the last "crash" of a 747 was in 2013 when a pilot took a wrong turn on a taxi-way and clipped a brick building.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 08/19/2016 09:05 PM
Quote
Well to carry on, the last "crash" of a 747 was in 2013 when a pilot took a wrong turn on a taxi-way and clipped a brick building.

Which was at fault; the pilot, or the brick building?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: KelvinZero on 08/19/2016 11:04 PM
Regardless of the 737 and a320 relative reputations, I assume that in general it is not newsworthy when one lands successfully. :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: oiorionsbelt on 08/20/2016 01:41 AM
Putting this in the Party thread because it's not too serious and it's Friday night.
 I would like to 'like' more posts, like okan170's superb renderings, but the whole "You can only like a post every: 120 seconds" thingy is a PITA  See what I mean, that was four likes in just one sentence.
 
Cheers
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 08/20/2016 01:49 AM
It is news worthy for the passengers of the plane. As it is and will be for each SpaceX customer.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 08/20/2016 02:43 AM
Quote
Well to carry on, the last "crash" of a 747 was in 2013 when a pilot took a wrong turn on a taxi-way and clipped a brick building.

Which was at fault; the pilot, or the brick building?

LOL -- "it's your call ..."  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd5LZnCGVO0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd5LZnCGVO0)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 08/21/2016 06:50 AM
Quote
Well to carry on, the last "crash" of a 747 was in 2013 when a pilot took a wrong turn on a taxi-way and clipped a brick building.

Which was at fault; the pilot, or the brick building?

LOL -- "it's your call ..."  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd5LZnCGVO0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd5LZnCGVO0)

I love that vid, thank you!

However... it seems to me that this issue comes down to the old unfounded bias; when a navigational error causes a ship to hit a rock, people tend to (quite unreasonably) assume that the ship is at fault.

 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 08/21/2016 01:36 PM
And I suppose when a Falcon 9 punches a hole in a barge, it's the barges fault ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 08/22/2016 04:28 PM
Be excellent to each other...
Follow the link to my "head-canon" image of Lar in this circumstance:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096928/mediaviewer/rm3389293568
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 08/22/2016 04:42 PM
Be excellent to each other...
Follow the link to my "head-canon" image of Lar in this circumstance:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096928/mediaviewer/rm3389293568
I could do worse than to be compared to George Carlin. A very wise man...

Quote
The real reason that we can’t have the Ten Commandments in a courthouse: You cannot post ‘Thou shalt not steal,’ ‘Thou shalt not commit adultery,’ and ‘Thou shalt not lie’ in a building full of lawyers, judges, and politicians. It creates a hostile work environment.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 08/22/2016 06:22 PM
So Lar, what are the seven words we can't say on NSF?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Craftyatom on 08/22/2016 06:36 PM
So Lar, what are the seven words we can't say on NSF?

I'm guessing that one of them starts with "Scrub" and ends with "X"

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 08/22/2016 06:40 PM
So Lar, what are the seven words we can't say on NSF?

I'm guessing that one of them starts with "Scrub" and ends with "X"

 ;D ;D

Pretty sure the "L word" is on the list ... ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: llanitedave on 08/23/2016 01:10 AM
You mean, "Let go of my *ego"?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 08/23/2016 01:40 AM
I had an Eggo for breakfast, actually, not sure what you lot are getting on about...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: e of pi on 08/23/2016 01:55 AM
I had an Eggo for breakfast, actually, not sure what you lot are getting on about...
Sounds like a good breakfast. Leave them to be obtuse about whatever it is. If it's important you'll piece it together eventually...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: darkenfast on 08/23/2016 03:12 AM
Sounds like the capitol of Nigeria.  Careful, he gets violent.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 08/23/2016 10:32 PM
And I suppose when a Falcon 9 punches a hole in a barge, it's the barges fault ;)

Not always, but usually. After all the ASDS is quite notorious for heading into posted maritime exclusion zones.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 08/24/2016 11:01 AM
And I suppose when a Falcon 9 punches a hole in a barge, it's the barges fault ;)

Not always, but usually. After all the ASDS is quite notorious for heading into posted maritime exclusion zones.

You are right, it's the SpaceX fan's fault for encouraging such risky behavior in the Party Thread!

Disclaimer: Barges, don't try this in an exclusion zone. May lead to loss of uplink, rough seas, flames, burns, punctures, explosions, and and chance of sinking. 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: AncientU on 08/24/2016 11:48 AM
And I suppose when a Falcon 9 punches a hole in a barge, it's the barges fault ;)

Not always, but usually. After all the ASDS is quite notorious for heading into posted maritime exclusion zones.

You are right, it's the SpaceX fan's fault for encouraging such risky behavior in the Party Thread!

Disclaimer: Barges, don't try this in an exclusion zone. May lead to loss of uplink, rough seas, flames, burns, punctures, explosions, and and chance of sinking.

...and glory.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Jet Black on 08/24/2016 01:57 PM
So Lar, what are the seven words we can't say on NSF?

"Please explain that in more detail Jim"
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 08/24/2016 02:43 PM
So Lar, what are the seven words we can't say on NSF?

"Please explain that in more detail Jim"
Only in that combination... "Please" (and thank you) are definitely encouraged...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 08/24/2016 03:58 PM
So Lar, what are the seven words we can't say on NSF?

"Please explain that in more detail Jim"
you can say those words, but the answer will most likely be....



no
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 08/25/2016 08:34 PM
So Lar, what are the seven words we can't say on NSF?

"Pad Exploration Technologies?"
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 08/26/2016 07:48 AM
I had an Eggo for breakfast, actually, not sure what you lot are getting on about...
Rockets are not waffle elements!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 08/26/2016 02:21 PM
But you could make great waffles with those grid fins! Heck with a rocket lunches, lets talk breakfast!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 08/26/2016 02:50 PM
So Lar, what are the seven words we can't say on NSF?

"Pad Exploration Technologies?"


The seven verboten words at least in this combination:
"Humans will never set foot on Mars".
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 08/26/2016 04:44 PM
How about these seven forbidden words:

"Failure. Is. An. Option. Please. Fail. Now."
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 08/26/2016 06:52 PM
But you could make great waffles with those grid fins! Heck with a rocket lunches, lets talk breakfast!

I really want to see what tons of butter and maple syrup, spread thickly over the grid fins, looks like during the high-heating portion of the stage entry... :D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 08/26/2016 09:03 PM
But you could make great waffles with those grid fins! Heck with a rocket lunches, lets talk breakfast!

I really want to see what tons of butter and maple syrup, spread thickly over the grid fins, looks like during the high-heating portion of the stage entry... :D

All that carbon and hydrogen could make it quite festive!  "Grid fins roasting in an open fire ..."  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 08/26/2016 11:23 PM
But you could make great waffles with those grid fins! Heck with a rocket lunches, lets talk breakfast!

Of course, and that's no coincidence! All this speculation that the grid fins are for steering is unfounded. Their purpose is obvious; they get hot during reentry, and thus are still hot on landing - as they need to be, to make the waffles. This is just a design tradeoff; the F9 doesn't have enough battery power to run massive waffle irons, so heating them with reentry makes more sense than giving the F9 a Tesla-size battery pack.

The sausages are easier; that's what the post-landing burn we've been seeing is for.

After all, you can't spell launch without lunch.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 08/26/2016 11:54 PM

The sausages are easier; that's what the post-landing burn we've been seeing is for.

Well, that ties in with what I was thinking after the last landing -- "I never sausage a beautiful sight" ... :D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: jiv on 08/27/2016 10:35 PM
I would just like to point out that grid fins would make reverse waffles.

Perhaps this observation is too serious for the party thread...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: darkenfast on 08/28/2016 04:06 AM
Mmm...a plate of toasty selffaw, with butter, syrup and just a hint of kerosene seasoning!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: launchwatcher on 08/28/2016 08:25 PM
I would just like to point out that grid fins would make reverse waffles.
They double as molds for ISWIC: in-situ waffle-iron casting.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 08/29/2016 05:50 AM
So Lar, what are the seven words we can't say on NSF?

"Pad Exploration Technologies?"

They out grew Pad Exploration quite a while ago.  After which, they had a short period where they changed their name to Pad Explosion Technologies:

https://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK

But, it seems like they are even going to abandon that now and may revert to Pad Exploration, only now with a focus on landing pads as opposed to launch pads.  Can't these folks ever make up their minds?  Sheesh.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ClayJar on 08/29/2016 06:41 PM
So, with the shotgun start on the bingo thread, has everyone checked their timesync?  ;D

It occurs to me that the notice that new messages have been posted while you were editing your post is going to make the thread *really* non-deterministic for the shotgun start (but that'll just add to the fun, eh?)  :P

I was aiming at the top of the hour, but a post one second early triggered the preview thing and cost me a second.  Didn't get my official pick in until B+00:00:01.  Alas!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: IntoTheVoid on 08/29/2016 07:26 PM
I was aiming at the top of the hour, but a post one second early triggered the preview thing and cost me a second. 

 ::)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 08/29/2016 07:34 PM
I was aiming at the top of the hour, but a post one second early triggered the preview thing and cost me a second. 

 ::)

Had a few guesses queued up but the preview post thing totally got me.. and CHRIS had picked my favorite right away, so I was messed up from the beginning.  (and his last name doesn't even start with "L" he should have picked a spot in row "B") ;-)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: John Alan on 08/29/2016 07:42 PM
I kept mashing the button...  :P
Took about 8 times till no more new posts popped and it finally took it...   ;D

Yep... that "new posts while' thing got a lot of us right at the top of the hour...  ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: IntoTheVoid on 08/29/2016 07:53 PM
I was aiming at the top of the hour, but a post one second early triggered the preview thing and cost me a second. 

 ::)

Had a few guesses queued up but the preview post thing totally got me.. and CHRIS had picked my favorite right away, so I was messed up from the beginning.  (and his last name doesn't even start with "L" he should have picked a spot in row "B") ;-)

Even messed myself up the same way. I had a couple queued up also, but didn't count on the preview thing, which is why my official vote is at x:02. I did manage to get my choice, but only by the luck of no one else doing so.  8)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 08/29/2016 09:23 PM
Personally, they should have a lottery for each spot. You put in for the spot you want, after say an hour of collecting names, a name is drawn out of a pot, and the rest sent into the flame trench. Any open slots after an hour are free game.

Simple rules, that or we could be civilized and have a dual over each spot, say twenty paces. 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ClayJar on 08/29/2016 11:40 PM
Can we just make it rocket science?  ;)  Each person must provide a simple equation providing a bingo value function in X and Y coordinates centered at the middle of the SpaceX.  The value of any location is then given by that Bingo(X,Y) function, normalized by dividing the magnitude at that location by the total volume under the bingo function truncated at zero (i.e. integrating only the positive portion of the bingo function) and integrated to infinities over X and Y.  Highest normalized value wins, with no duplication of functions.

NOTE: The idea above was not a serious idea.  Penalizing our amazing NSF members who are excellent at things other than mathematics would not make for a great friendly bingo game.  The concept did seem party-worthy in its over-the-topness, however.  :P

If it's ever the case that it is desirable to the gamemasters to tamp down excess enthusiasm, there are always the two easy ways of making "sniping" the center more difficult:  "Non-specific start time" (i.e. shotgun start "in the 12pm PDT hour", but not open until the starting gun/post -- this would, however, cause significant reloading activity) or "first N discarded" (i.e. the gamemasters randomly choose a secret number of posts after the start time will be discarded at the end of the first hour/day/time period -- if you're too fast, you have to choose again, but you don't know what's too fast until it's too late).

I would be perfectly content with any method of playing landing bingo.  Don't let the quick picks mislead you.  I'm just in it for fun, even if an engineering degree and computers/programming background mean I can't help but optimize for placement if given the chance.  I've done very late picks plenty of times, and I enjoyed every single game that ended up with a winner. ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 08/30/2016 01:49 AM
I was all set right at 2:00:00 here in the CDT, and yep, it took about seven or eight tries before my selection posted.

I took M-20, which is about where the last stage landed, and I was amazed that none of the 12 to 15 picks before mine was that square.  If L-21 is the exact center, then out one square in each direction defines a nine-square patch that covers the center of the target.  The lower left corner of that nine-square patch is M-20, so I lucked out and got one of the nine center squares.

I sort of liked the way it ran, and obviously, if I had been using my computer and not my tablet (since I was working at the time, but wasn't on a call or anything so it was OK), I could have retried faster.

So -- here's to dumb luck!  Let's hope it holds!  :D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Jet Black on 08/30/2016 11:56 AM
Personally, they should have a lottery for each spot. You put in for the spot you want, after say an hour of collecting names, a name is drawn out of a pot, and the rest sent into the flame trench. Any open slots after an hour are free game.

Simple rules, that or we could be civilized and have a dual over each spot, say twenty paces.

Yeah, this isn't very fun for people who don't obsessively follow the bingo discussions. It's the same with real bingo, lotteries and sweepstakes; you enter and get what you've got, rather than get the choice to pick the most plush spots just by being in the right place at the right time with respect to the competition starting.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 08/30/2016 02:27 PM
Personally, they should have a lottery for each spot. You put in for the spot you want, after say an hour of collecting names, a name is drawn out of a pot, and the rest sent into the flame trench. Any open slots after an hour are free game.

Simple rules, that or we could be civilized and have a dual over each spot, say twenty paces.

Yeah, this isn't very fun for people who don't obsessively follow the bingo discussions. It's the same with real bingo, lotteries and sweepstakes; you enter and get what you've got, rather than get the choice to pick the most plush spots just by being in the right place at the right time with respect to the competition starting.

Yep, which is why our friendly Bingo mods decided to pre-announce when the selection period would start this time, so that the accident of timing could be removed, for those motivated enough to want a shot at the center square.

You still have to be in the right place, but at least you know the right time in advance... ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ClayJar on 08/30/2016 03:10 PM
From the Manifest Destiny, er, make that Updates and Discussion thread:

SES-10 reflight noted!!

The notation, discussed at great length in the prior thread, will be (23-1), for "Core 23 First Reflight".  Not very negotiable.
I apparently missed all the naming fun, but had I been there, I'd have to have spoken up about there being an *obvious* sign issue with the nomenclature.  It's not "23-1", of course.  It's obviously "23+1"!  ;D

On a completely different but equally entertaining topic, I couldn't help but note elsewhere that the reusable vs. expendable discussion had taken a *completely* unexpected and *absolutely*, *utterly* unforeseeable turn.+  Not only is a rocket not reusable until it's actually been reflown, but if the second stage is not reflown, the rocket's still expendable, really.  Oh, and just in case, if the fairing isn't reflown? Yep, expendable launcher.  :D

Well, since the American football (college and NFL) seasons are imminent, I just wanted to join in the classic Internet discussion tradition of moving goalposts by saying that, *naturally*, if the *propellant* isn't reused, the launcher is *obviously* expendable.  I mean, *way* more than 90% of the launcher's mass is expended, so how can you ever fathom calling it reusable?  ;D

Seriously (ish), we'd better have one *awesome* party for SES-10's launch, as I'm going to be more nervous than I've been since return to flight.  I have all confidence in SpaceX's engineering teams, but even if you're a 21-point favorite in the conference championships, it's still hard to relax.


+Do I need a winky there, too, just to make my indisputable sincerity clear? ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: envy887 on 08/30/2016 03:27 PM
... if the *propellant* isn't reused, the launcher is *obviously* expendable.  I mean, *way* more than 90% of the launcher's mass is expended, so how can you ever fathom calling it reusable?  ;D
...

Or, think of this as expended dollars for that launch. For example, imagine the Shuttle SRBs packed with 1 billion single dollar bills for fuel (ignore that it wouldn't burn quite as well as PBAN-APCP 8) ).Then you can picture what burning 500 million dollars per minute during a launch would look like.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 08/30/2016 03:52 PM
Placing a formal request for a special party thread with the name
"SES-10: Launch, Land and Relaunch Party Thread"

This is a historic launch and deserves its own party thread.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 08/30/2016 04:31 PM
You are right, it would be a great time to Re-Launch the party thread.

I'm all for a second, third,... Lunch!!!!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ClayJar on 08/30/2016 05:08 PM
Placing a formal request for a special party thread with the name
"SES-10: Launch, Land and Relaunch Party Thread"

This is a historic launch and deserves its own party thread.
And afterward, we can relaunch "The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread +1" ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: IntoTheVoid on 08/30/2016 05:53 PM
On a completely different but equally entertaining topic, I couldn't help but note elsewhere that the reusable vs. expendable discussion had taken a *completely* unexpected and *absolutely*, *utterly* unforeseeable turn.+  Not only is a rocket not reusable until it's actually been reflown, but if the second stage is not reflown, the rocket's still expendable, really.  Oh, and just in case, if the fairing isn't reflown? Yep, expendable launcher.  :D
Most reasonable definitions of expendable require that you're willing to throw the thing away after a single use. Re-use is not a requirement of non-expendable. If they're trying to get it back, it's not expendable regardless of what they do with it afterward. IIRC Jim himself has said that SpaceX is not taking contracts for nonrecoverable S1. So... F9-S1 is NOT an expendable booster.

Also note that New Shepherd is not reusable; it is merely re-flyable. You have to actually use it for something for it to be reusable.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JamesH65 on 08/30/2016 06:21 PM
On a completely different but equally entertaining topic, I couldn't help but note elsewhere that the reusable vs. expendable discussion had taken a *completely* unexpected and *absolutely*, *utterly* unforeseeable turn.+  Not only is a rocket not reusable until it's actually been reflown, but if the second stage is not reflown, the rocket's still expendable, really.  Oh, and just in case, if the fairing isn't reflown? Yep, expendable launcher.  :D
Most reasonable definitions of expendable require that you're willing to throw the thing away after a single use. Re-use is not a requirement of non-expendable. If they're trying to get it back, it's not expendable regardless of what they do with it afterward. IIRC Jim himself has said that SpaceX is not taking contracts for nonrecoverable S1. So... F9-S1 is NOT an expendable booster.

Also note that New Shepherd is not reusable; it is merely re-flyable. You have to actually use it for something for it to be reusable.

They are using it for something - testing. It doesn't need a payload or be a contracted flight to be reusable.

The F9 stack is partially reusable. It just hasn't been reused yet.

But it's pointless argument, given the circumstances.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mme on 08/30/2016 07:28 PM
From the Manifest Destiny, er, make that Updates and Discussion thread:
...
On a completely different but equally entertaining topic, I couldn't help but note elsewhere that the reusable vs. expendable discussion had taken a *completely* unexpected and *absolutely*, *utterly* unforeseeable turn.+  Not only is a rocket not reusable until it's actually been reflown, but if the second stage is not reflown, the rocket's still expendable, really.  Oh, and just in case, if the fairing isn't reflown? Yep, expendable launcher.  :D
...
I saw that and was coming here to suggest that as long as a rocket discards those self-adhesive rain/dust covers it's clearly expendable!  I can't remember what they are called which is really frustrating.

Too bad we don't name individual party threads anymore.  SES-10 could be "Dragging the Goalposts to Space and Back..."  And then we could have pages of debate as to whether the F9 S1 makes it to "space" or not. :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ClayJar on 08/30/2016 07:46 PM
Too bad we don't name individual party threads anymore.  SES-10 could be "Dragging the Goalposts to Space and Back..."  And then we could have pages of debate as to whether the F9 S1 makes it to "space" or not. :)

"Space, the final frontier... well, unless you count orbit.  But really, orbit?  I mean, LEO is hardly GTO.  And what's a 1500-1800m/s deficit GTO compared to direct GEO insertion, anyway?  Of course, actual high-energy launches to heliocentric orbits, *that's* the final frontier... except..."  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 08/30/2016 07:48 PM
I will not be impressed until they re-use the propellants. Until them, it is clearly an expendable!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: yokem55 on 08/30/2016 08:17 PM
Placing a formal request for a special party thread with the name
"SES-10: Launch, Land and Relaunch Party Thread"

This is a historic launch and deserves its own party thread.
So just when we get around to re-using a stage the reusable party thread gets tossed. No wonder L2 is so expensive, going through expendable threads like this...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: darkenfast on 08/31/2016 05:32 AM
"The Partially and Not-Too-Long Once-Reused Launch Party Thread"?  Nah...just doesn't have the right ring to it. 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: 411rocket on 08/31/2016 06:00 AM
"The Partially and Not-Too-Long Once-Reused Launch Party Thread"?  Nah...just doesn't have the right ring to it.

How about this as a title?

Former CRS 8 Booster, Re-Launching as SES 10 Party thread....
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 08/31/2016 08:21 AM
How about unlocking the CRS 8 party thread and relaunching it as the SES10 party thread?  ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 08/31/2016 12:11 PM
From the Manifest Destiny, er, make that Updates and Discussion thread:
...
On a completely different but equally entertaining topic, I couldn't help but note elsewhere that the reusable vs. expendable discussion had taken a *completely* unexpected and *absolutely*, *utterly* unforeseeable turn.+  Not only is a rocket not reusable until it's actually been reflown, but if the second stage is not reflown, the rocket's still expendable, really.  Oh, and just in case, if the fairing isn't reflown? Yep, expendable launcher.  :D
...
I saw that and was coming here to suggest that as long as a rocket discards those self-adhesive rain/dust covers it's clearly expendable!  I can't remember what they are called which is really frustrating.

Too bad we don't name individual party threads anymore.  SES-10 could be "Dragging the Goalposts to Space and Back..."  And then we could have pages of debate as to whether the F9 S1 makes it to "space" or not. :)

We'll be having standalone party threads for major launches, such as FH and that the reused booster flight.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 08/31/2016 12:26 PM
Will this be a private party, invite only?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 08/31/2016 07:39 PM
We'll be having standalone party threads for major launches, such as FH and that the reused booster flight.

But will those threads be reusable, or will they be expendables?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 09/01/2016 01:52 PM
I've done very late picks plenty of times, and I enjoyed every single game that ended up with a winner. ;D

I enjoy the GAMES even if there is no winner.

I'm just sad for the brave boosters that didn't survive... (and the ASDS that got smacked hard, in some cases)

I no doubt will play regardless of rules changes... some of these suggestions make me giggle though!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 09/01/2016 01:59 PM
From the Manifest Destiny, er, make that Updates and Discussion thread:
...
On a completely different but equally entertaining topic, I couldn't help but note elsewhere that the reusable vs. expendable discussion had taken a *completely* unexpected and *absolutely*, *utterly* unforeseeable turn.+  Not only is a rocket not reusable until it's actually been reflown, but if the second stage is not reflown, the rocket's still expendable, really.  Oh, and just in case, if the fairing isn't reflown? Yep, expendable launcher.  :D
...
I saw that and was coming here to suggest that as long as a rocket discards those self-adhesive rain/dust covers it's clearly expendable!  I can't remember what they are called which is really frustrating.

Too bad we don't name individual party threads anymore.  SES-10 could be "Dragging the Goalposts to Space and Back..."  And then we could have pages of debate as to whether the F9 S1 makes it to "space" or not. :)

We'll be having standalone party threads for major launches, such as FH and that the reused booster flight.

This probably makes the most sense but you have to admit that reusing the CRS-8 party thread[1] for SES-10 has a certain poetic ring to it...

As a note I reused two metaphors and mashed them together.. "certain ring", and "poetic justice" ...
Don't try this at home folks... metaphors are not legos[2]


1 - for reference: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39538.0
2 - er, LEGO elements!!!!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 09/01/2016 02:49 PM
no longer in a partying mood...  sad day for all.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: yokem55 on 09/01/2016 03:08 PM
No revert to VAB....
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mfck on 09/01/2016 03:12 PM
What, no black humor jokes? After all, no one's hurt...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: cartman on 09/01/2016 03:13 PM
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 09/01/2016 03:48 PM
My first reaction was when the talking heads on the radio mentioned it today was "did I miss a launch?".

So unexpected.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: S.Paulissen on 09/01/2016 05:12 PM
Space is hard.  GSE is harder apparently.  :(
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sanman on 09/01/2016 06:16 PM
Just as long as nobody was injured, that's the main thing
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Craftyatom on 09/01/2016 06:38 PM
It's our party, and we can cry if we want to...

 :'(
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: cosmonautdjp on 09/01/2016 06:52 PM
Puts a damper on the day.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 09/01/2016 06:58 PM
Puts a damper on the day.

With tons of rainstorms. Plus the storms won't stop until SpaceX returns to flight.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: sanman on 09/01/2016 09:01 PM
Anyway, it's time for Elon to kick ACME out of its supply chain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upt7ZTvcriY


Notice the extra kaboom @ 1:05, just for dramatic finality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceC-7dWHaPM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCDKJQ3Z8bU
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: cro-magnon gramps on 09/01/2016 09:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoaktW-Lu38
Just think, we could have been up from 1am to 3am Friday Morning
trying to keep our eyes open ;-) and then have a RUDDY RUD to
spoil a nights sleep  ;D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: leetdan on 09/01/2016 09:17 PM
Anyway, it's time for Elon to kick ACME out of its supply chain

"This is the last time we order launch umbilicals from Amazon!"

Alternate take: The 'bird' that comes in to frame before the conflagration was actually a laser-equipped Prime delivery drone.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 09/01/2016 09:18 PM
Nah, Mosquito going after big game!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: cro-magnon gramps on 09/01/2016 09:20 PM
Anyway, it's time for Elon to kick ACME out of its supply chain

"This is the last time we order launch umbilicals from Amazon!"

Alternate take: The 'bird' that comes in to frame before the conflagration was actually a laser-equipped Prime delivery drone.

WHAT! and here I thought that it was Lunch. Barbecued  :D

Edit - Speaking of which, I was certainly glad to hear from Padrat, confirming he wasn't in the fireball. Not fond of roast padrat, too much hydra-zine :D
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 09/01/2016 09:23 PM
Well, Domino's has been trying out those delivery drones. Maybe a SpaceX employee called in a Pizza delivery in preparation for Lunch...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 09/01/2016 09:36 PM
Can I make a remark that this also reminds me of Kerbal Space Program a little bit?

I mean, in a way that the rocket did not stay together after clicking the "Launch" button.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CorvusCorax on 09/01/2016 11:02 PM
Hmm.

So you wanna blame this on the Kraken? Or lack of struts?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: launchwatcher on 09/01/2016 11:17 PM
Hmm.

So you wanna blame this on the Kraken? Or lack of struts?
It's always a scrambled staging sequence for me.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: cro-magnon gramps on 09/02/2016 12:08 AM
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: DecoLV on 09/02/2016 12:22 AM
After reading the discussion, it seems to me the cause is obvious. It was Florida's fault. After all, SpaceX clearly said there was an anomoly in Florida. Therefore it had nothing to do with the rocket, just the surrounding state.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 09/02/2016 12:25 AM
After reading the discussion, it seems to me the cause is obvious. It was Florida's fault. After all, SpaceX clearly said there was an anomoly in Florida. Therefore it had nothing to do with the rocket, just the surrounding state.
Just some "hanging chad"...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 09/02/2016 12:51 AM


Too soon?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: yokem55 on 09/02/2016 01:09 AM
After reading the discussion, it seems to me the cause is obvious. It was Florida's fault. After all, SpaceX clearly said there was an anomoly in Florida. Therefore it had nothing to do with the rocket, just the surrounding state.
No, to me its really obvious what the cause was. Ya see, rockets normally have fire coming out the bottom. In this case the fire started from the top. Ya can't have that. See, there's your problem!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: yokem55 on 09/02/2016 01:14 AM


Too soon?
If so, some moderator guidance would be appreciated...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: catdlr on 09/02/2016 01:41 AM
thought that everyone could use sometime on the lighter side.....

A totally real conversation between Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg about a rocket

https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/01/a-totally-real-conversation-between-elon-musk-and-mark-zuckerberg-about-a-rocket/
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 09/02/2016 02:21 AM
I'm more than appalled that with all the many postulations as to a cause of today's disaster, no one, so far, has included the ASDS on the suspect list.

Just how much do we trust those droneships, anyway?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ronpur50 on 09/02/2016 02:31 AM
After reading the discussion, it seems to me the cause is obvious. It was Florida's fault. After all, SpaceX clearly said there was an anomoly in Florida. Therefore it had nothing to do with the rocket, just the surrounding state.

Hey, easy on the Florida jokes.  Some of us moved here because of the weather.....which, um,....errr.....actually sucks today.

OK, go ahead, make Florida jokes.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 09/02/2016 02:35 AM
After reading the discussion, it seems to me the cause is obvious. It was Florida's fault. After all, SpaceX clearly said there was an anomoly in Florida. Therefore it had nothing to do with the rocket, just the surrounding state.

Hey, easy on the Florida jokes.  Some of us moved here because of the weather.....which, um,....errr.....actually sucks today.

OK, go ahead, make Florida jokes.

Do you have any idea what the weather was at CCAFS area during the event? I've been searching in vain to find it.
I'm especially interested in any lightning or thunderstorm activity within 30 miles.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ronpur50 on 09/02/2016 02:41 AM
After reading the discussion, it seems to me the cause is obvious. It was Florida's fault. After all, SpaceX clearly said there was an anomoly in Florida. Therefore it had nothing to do with the rocket, just the surrounding state.

Hey, easy on the Florida jokes.  Some of us moved here because of the weather.....which, um,....errr.....actually sucks today.

OK, go ahead, make Florida jokes.

Do you have any idea what the weather was at CCAFS area during the event? I've been searching in vain to find it.
I'm especially interested in any lightning or thunderstorm activity within 30 miles.

The storm wasn't heading that way.  The rain was in a line from off our coast here in Tampa towards Jacksonville.   It was heading towards the panhandle.  I didn't see radar until after that time, and no storms looked to be in the area then.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 09/02/2016 02:43 AM
The storm wasn't heading that way.  The rain was in a line from off our coast here in Tampa towards Jacksonville.   It was heading towards the panhandle.  I didn't see radar until after that time, and no storms looked to be in the area then.

Thanks!!!

BTW, I hope you aren't in the path of the hurricane. If you are, take care and be safe.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 09/02/2016 03:03 AM


Too soon?
If so, some moderator guidance would be appreciated...
"Too soon?" is a punchline. If we can't smile wryly at this, that's sad.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 09/02/2016 03:15 AM
I just realized burning man is currently on going. Could it be be that someone missed an edict from the event and decided to burn the rocket? Now the burning rocket all makes sense!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Jim on 09/02/2016 03:31 AM
When I sent the Youtube link of the anomaly to my family, my son responded with this
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 09/02/2016 03:38 AM
See, I got it all figured out...

Y'see, Spacecom had huge problems, and AMOS-6 was a dead bird, would've never activated on orbit.  They set it to fire a rifle shot down into the second stage to blow up the booster, so they can collect on the maritime insurance.  With the payload destroyed, no one can inspect it, y'see.

It was all an insurance scam...

...obviously just kidding.  But with all the black humor in this thread, I figured it couldn't hurt... ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ronpur50 on 09/02/2016 03:41 AM
The storm wasn't heading that way.  The rain was in a line from off our coast here in Tampa towards Jacksonville.   It was heading towards the panhandle.  I didn't see radar until after that time, and no storms looked to be in the area then.

Thanks!!!

BTW, I hope you aren't in the path of the hurricane. If you are, take care and be safe.

Thanks.  I always dig in!  It is brushing by us with a ton of rain.....but that was mostly yesterday.  Go figure.  It did not start raining hard today until the evening.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ronpur50 on 09/02/2016 03:46 AM
I have been reading all of the speculation, theorys and watching a ton of slow motion videos of a lucky bird flying by the rocket.  I have studied this from every angle possible and consulted all of my in the know people and I have figured out, with 100% certainty what went wrong. 

I blew up.

You are all welcome.

That is all the speculating I will do.

But everyone else have fun with it, it is entertaining. 
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Craftyatom on 09/02/2016 04:01 AM
I blew up.

I did pretty much the same when I heard the news.  :P
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 09/02/2016 04:06 AM
I have been reading all of the speculation, theorys and watching a ton of slow motion videos of a lucky bird flying by the rocket.  I have studied this from every angle possible and consulted all of my in the know people and I have figured out, with 100% certainty what went wrong. 

I blew up.

You did?  Oh, that had to hurt.  On the other hand, had you known ahead of time, you could have done it (*real* good!) on Farm Film Report ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHkvD7-u7y8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHkvD7-u7y8)

;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: intrepidpursuit on 09/02/2016 04:18 AM
After reading the discussion, it seems to me the cause is obvious. It was Florida's fault. After all, SpaceX clearly said there was an anomoly in Florida. Therefore it had nothing to do with the rocket, just the surrounding state.

Hey, easy on the Florida jokes.  Some of us moved here because of the weather.....which, um,....errr.....actually sucks today.

OK, go ahead, make Florida jokes.

It sucks every day. Florida is just a joke that is played on tourists and retirees. There are about 3 days each in late fall and early spring where it is pleasant out.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: DanseMacabre on 09/02/2016 05:20 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/6NfmQ.jpg)

I feel a bit of light memery and humor is the order of the day :(
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Helodriver on 09/02/2016 05:22 AM
I think I've found the culprit. Our prior theories were wayward. ;)





Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: DanseMacabre on 09/02/2016 05:23 AM
I think I've found the culprit. Our prior theories were wayward. ;)

The upper level winds coming down from on high, clearly.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mme on 09/02/2016 06:27 AM
I think that the COPVs are getting a bad rap.

Edit: Typos, always typos.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 09/02/2016 06:50 AM
After reading the discussion, it seems to me the cause is obvious. It was Florida's fault. After all, SpaceX clearly said there was an anomoly in Florida. Therefore it had nothing to do with the rocket, just the surrounding state.

Hey, easy on the Florida jokes.  Some of us moved here because of the weather.....which, um,....errr.....actually sucks today.

OK, go ahead, make Florida jokes.
We still have election day coming up... ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JAFO on 09/02/2016 06:54 AM
Elon at Space X HQ Friday morning?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUDntpV_HdQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUDntpV_HdQ)

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUDntpV_HdQ)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: deruch on 09/02/2016 07:18 AM
I have figured out, with 100% certainty what went wrong.

It's obvious what happened...The front fell off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM

"Well, there are a lot of these rockets launching around the world all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen … I just don’t want people thinking that rockets aren’t safe."
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Ronpur50 on 09/02/2016 09:18 AM
I have been reading all of the speculation, theorys and watching a ton of slow motion videos of a lucky bird flying by the rocket.  I have studied this from every angle possible and consulted all of my in the know people and I have figured out, with 100% certainty what went wrong. 

I blew up.

You did?  Oh, that had to hurt.  On the other hand, had you known ahead of time, you could have done it (*real* good!) on Farm Film Report ...


;)

And at 4:30 AM, in the middle of the heaviest rain, our fire alarm went off.  After standing in the rain for a while, it is what we tried to tell them, a false alarm.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mtakala24 on 09/02/2016 09:32 AM
I think we should have a new dedicated party thread for RTF, whichever flight it will be.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 09/02/2016 02:24 PM
See, I got it all figured out...

Y'see, Spacecom had huge problems, and AMOS-6 was a dead bird, would've never activated on orbit.  They set it to fire a rifle shot down into the second stage to blow up the booster, so they can collect on the maritime insurance.  With the payload destroyed, no one can inspect it, y'see.

It was all an insurance scam...

...obviously just kidding.  But with all the black humor in this thread, I figured it couldn't hurt... ;)

The problem is insurance may not cover it. It wasn't lost during launch or transport. So the theory must be false.

Though a good lawyer could argue it was transported from the top of the rocket to the pad when the satellite was lost ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 09/02/2016 02:33 PM
Finally identified that pesky bird...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: cro-magnon gramps on 09/02/2016 07:07 PM
I did some CSI work and was able to get a clearer picture of the Bird...
Sure looks like a Romulan 3 man fighter... Where is the Enterprise when you need them...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mme on 09/02/2016 07:55 PM
I did some CSI work and was able to get a clearer picture of the Bird...
Sure looks like a Romulan 3 man fighter... Where is the Enterprise when you need them...
Are you sure about that?  Looks like a Cylon raider to me which makes sense given Musk's AI work.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Stan-1967 on 09/02/2016 08:01 PM
It wasn't the Cylons, Romulan's, or garden gnomes, it was a Predator.   Seeing the fairing tumble off the TEL into that ball of fire made me think of this....
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Saabstory88 on 09/02/2016 09:16 PM
After reviewing the footage...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Craftyatom on 09/03/2016 08:12 AM
After reviewing the footage...

Shoot, somebody forgot to add the "No Smoking" sign to the side of this one...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 09/03/2016 08:17 AM
After reviewing the footage...

Shoot, somebody forgot to add the "No Smoking" sign to the side of this one...

They also seem to have forgotten the 'No Exploding!" sign.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rubtest on 09/03/2016 09:44 AM
Spacecom tells us that the first insurance does not catch before the rocket Ignition.
Am I wrong ?  I saw a HUGE ignition ....
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: rubtest on 09/03/2016 09:57 AM
SpaceX: on the 1 September 2016 we conducted a rigorous Non-non destructive quality assurance static-dynamic  test on a F9 with close to reality conditions. The test shared us a lot of  precious and valuable hot information for the future...  The Upgrade project for the F9H strongback tower at LC-40  comes a step forward. (by demolishing the old one),         Cheer up everyone, we have yet 27.9 .
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: DanseMacabre on 09/03/2016 12:14 PM
Confirmed that a Samsung Galaxy Note 7 based Cubesat was aboard the F9.

Proof video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MhZd8ZY_W0
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 09/03/2016 04:47 PM
I think I've found the culprit. Our prior theories were wayward. ;)

The Pain in the Boat returns, eh?  :)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 09/03/2016 05:11 PM
Confirmed that a Samsung Galaxy Note 7 based Cubesat was aboard the F9.

If it was caused by a shudder, LiPo battery, Elon will be eating a fair amount of crow considering how much grief her gave Boeing on it's 787 battery problems.

Please don't be a battery problem.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: yokem55 on 09/03/2016 09:24 PM
Well I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that we've had speculation posts! ;)

Ok, only joking, of course there was always going to be speculation, but that's why we have this thread and keep the update thread on the pure info. The value with sites like this is the speculation tends to be at the very least educated and we have a ton of industry folk who can field such posts and provide context or correction. See, I told you the internet wasn't all bad!

However, what I would say is "NO, for the love of God, NO!" to posts that link tabloids (like the Daily Star) claiming the F9 was killed by UFO-deployed kamikaze birds, or whatever. Let's shun such nonsense.

Bottom line is something went wrong with the rocket's second stage and rocket went boom. We'll find out what in due course, but hopefully I'm not overstepping my mark by confirming it was not aliens.

Oh and be civil with each other. Arguments make moderator Carl cry (sorry Carl ;D).

As you were.... :)

Well damn. Who would have thought that Chris was in on the conspiracy? Those darn shifty Brits...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ugordan on 09/03/2016 09:27 PM
I guess eventually we're gonna need "The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Pad Party Thread"?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 09/03/2016 09:49 PM
Finally identified that pesky bird...
Ah, the same bird that pecked at the Shuttle ET... ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zup3XN90xSg
Note: Please ignore the premise of the video and just enjoy the little bird hard at work...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: the_other_Doug on 09/04/2016 08:21 PM
I've looked at it over and over, and there is only one thing that it resembles -- a phaser set to overload.

And, hey, look what it shows on the TEL at very high magnification and image enhancement...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CraigLieb on 09/06/2016 09:01 PM
So, it's certainly not a MARMAC sibling, but it's still interesting to see a barge moving about on dry land.

Ooo.. a (very rare) Land Barge!  ;D

(I know that was decidedly NOT helpful.. just couldn't resist)
Some things belong in the party thread...  (follow the quoted postings to see the pictures)
can you say "land shark"?

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/landshark/2832305
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Lar on 09/07/2016 03:59 AM
I know this is a Soyuz but...
view of recovery vehicles on site

My favorite part of a Soyuz landing are those party buses...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: mvpel on 09/08/2016 01:08 PM
Maybe someone should do a Vengaboys parody:

"The Soyuz bus is coming,
descent module is thumping,
station to south Kazakstan,
big enough for maybe one man..."
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: JasonAW3 on 09/08/2016 01:49 PM
I've looked at it over and over, and there is only one thing that it resembles -- a phaser set to overload.

And, hey, look what it shows on the TEL at very high magnification and image enhancement...

I KNEW a cat had to somehow be involved!
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: ZachS09 on 09/09/2016 02:29 AM
You know, Spacecom agreed that they would put AMOS 6 on the Falcon 9 during the static fire.

It's kind of their fault that AMOS 6 got destroyed in the pad failure.
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kch on 09/09/2016 03:11 AM

However, what I would say is "NO, for the love of God, NO!" to posts that link tabloids (like the Daily Star) claiming the F9 was killed by UFO-deployed kamikaze birds, or whatever. Let's shun such nonsense.

Bottom line is something went wrong with the rocket's second stage and rocket went boom. We'll find out what in due course, but hopefully I'm not overstepping my mark by confirming it was not aliens.

Well THAT didn't take long!

https://m.sputniknews.com/science/20160904/1044960563/ufo-alien-rocket-elon-musk.html

The aliens seem pretty certain it wasn't them ... ;)
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: CJ on 09/09/2016 04:44 AM
I've looked at it over and over, and there is only one thing that it resembles -- a phaser set to overload.

And, hey, look what it shows on the TEL at very high magnification and image enhancement...

I KNEW a cat had to somehow be involved!

Well, true, but in all fairness, cats have good reason to seek revenge against the space program.

Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: kevin-rf on 09/09/2016 02:40 PM
I think we are being hasty in concluding it wasn't aliens.  It's not like they have returned Chris's press inquiries. That is mighty suspicious in my book...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Saabstory88 on 09/09/2016 02:48 PM
Has anyone rechecked the security footage for this guy?
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: Heinrich on 09/09/2016 03:36 PM
I'm surprised. I've checked the last 8 pages. No link yet to the famous philosopher Pitbull.

Fireball!! ta tata tatata...
Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
Post by: dodo on 09/09/2016 05:14 PM
A few ideas that seemed too silly for the other thread.

  • The Archimedes solar mirror of death.
  • Exploding pigeons.
  • A momentary drop of external air pressure caused by Brownian motion.
  • A cleaning man pouring ammonia in the LOX tank.
  • A micro black hole courtesy of CERN.
  • Someone not caring about the children.
  • Telekinesis.
  • Gremlins.
  • Timecops.
  • Ant bite.

  • My 2 cents.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: kch on 09/09/2016 05:28 PM
    I'm surprised. I've checked the last 8 pages. No link yet to the famous philosopher Pitbull.

    Fireball!! ta tata tatata...

    Well, his cousins Gerald and Red do seem more popular hereabouts.  Must admit I'm surprised the site didn't change his name to PitIncorrect ... ;)
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: dorkmo on 09/09/2016 05:36 PM
    guys! i did some video enhancement and you wont believe what happened!
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: kevin-rf on 09/09/2016 07:51 PM
    Well, it could have been the cleaning crew...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brAt6NiTn7A
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: launchwatcher on 09/09/2016 09:07 PM
    Anyone think that, if a root cause does not present itself, SpaceX will take another page out of the Silicon Valley playbook?

    "Attempt to replicate the bug?"

    The problem is that there are a nearly infinite number of ways to make a rocket explode, and much of the hardware was completely destroyed.  The T/E and much of the GSE will have to be rebuilt from scratch, and once you've done that if you fail to replicate the explosion, how do you know if the flaw was some hidden defect or failure in the now-destroyed GSE or some rare fault caused by a still-present design flaw?
    A problem I'm told many programmers are famiiar with.
    No, there is no parallelism.   The programmers still have intact computers, keyboards and monitors.  Also their code also remains intact.
    The code does not always remain intact.

    One of my favorite programming "No s**t, there I was" stories involved a self-destructing bug in privileged software.   Back in the day when machines were expensive and scarce - the only copy of the software with the bug in it was on the machine where it was tested for the first, last, and only time.   Developer wrote it, compiled it, ran it once, and instead of deleting a temporary directory, it wound up deleting the entire filesystem -- and with it, the only extant copies of the bug's source and object code.   So we'll never know for sure what the actual bug was.

    (This might be too serious for the party thread but I didn't want to pollute the main discussion thread).
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: CJ on 09/09/2016 09:12 PM
    I was originally going to post this in the wild and wacky thread, but due to the responses it might understandably generate, I thought it might be better here;

    What if the F9 or GSE was hit by a clam falling from above? Seagulls in the area are known to break open clams by flying them up to high altitude and dropping them on hard surfaces. So, could a clam (which has pointy edges) at terminal velocity have caused a leak, such as in a RP1 umbilical? It's very far-fetched, but that alone does not mean it's impossible. 

    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: Bubbinski on 09/09/2016 09:13 PM
    If someone can invent a machine that would freeze me in perfect stasis until the cause is found....I might pay good money for it? (Han Solo's carbonite?)

    That would be handy for a lot of things that you're waiting endlessly for (a trip to Mars, the perfect spouse, etc) LOL  ;D
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: kevin-rf on 09/10/2016 02:57 AM
    I was originally going to post this in the wild and wacky thread, but due to the responses it might understandably generate, I thought it might be better here;

    What if the F9 or GSE was hit by a clam falling from above? Seagulls in the area are known to break open clams by flying them up to high altitude and dropping them on hard surfaces. So, could a clam (which has pointy edges) at terminal velocity have caused a leak, such as in a RP1 umbilical? It's very far-fetched, but that alone does not mean it's impossible. 
    Well at one point someone was trying to track the birds in the video thinking they where a drone that collided with the rocket. So how much damage could a fully laden seagull do to a Falcon 9? Would they spontaneously combust in a O2 rich environment? May the initial flash is just KFC ;)
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: savuporo on 09/10/2016 03:53 AM
    So how much damage could a fully laden seagull do to a Falcon 9?
    African or european ?
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: Herbie on 09/10/2016 04:05 AM
    I was originally going to post this in the wild and wacky thread, but due to the responses it might understandably generate, I thought it might be better here;

    What if the F9 or GSE was hit by a clam falling from above? Seagulls in the area are known to break open clams by flying them up to high altitude and dropping them on hard surfaces. So, could a clam (which has pointy edges) at terminal velocity have caused a leak, such as in a RP1 umbilical? It's very far-fetched, but that alone does not mean it's impossible. 
    Well at one point someone was trying to track the birds in the video thinking they where a drone that collided with the rocket. So how much damage could a fully laden seagull do to a Falcon 9? Would they spontaneously combust in a O2 rich environment? May the initial flash is just KFC ;)

    If birds do spontaneously combust (after all, it is cold, so they might fluff their feathers, increasing the surface area significantly), and you used a bird of prey (a Falcon?), could you make an engine by injecting a stream of them into an oxygen-rich environment? What would you call that type of engine?
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: CJ on 09/10/2016 08:35 AM
    I was originally going to post this in the wild and wacky thread, but due to the responses it might understandably generate, I thought it might be better here;

    What if the F9 or GSE was hit by a clam falling from above? Seagulls in the area are known to break open clams by flying them up to high altitude and dropping them on hard surfaces. So, could a clam (which has pointy edges) at terminal velocity have caused a leak, such as in a RP1 umbilical? It's very far-fetched, but that alone does not mean it's impossible. 
    Well at one point someone was trying to track the birds in the video thinking they where a drone that collided with the rocket. So how much damage could a fully laden seagull do to a Falcon 9? Would they spontaneously combust in a O2 rich environment? May the initial flash is just KFC ;)

    If birds do spontaneously combust (after all, it is cold, so they might fluff their feathers, increasing the surface area significantly), and you used a bird of prey (a Falcon?), could you make an engine by injecting a stream of them into an oxygen-rich environment? What would you call that type of engine?

    Hrmmm. The Orion concept was called "old bang-bang', so this would be "old squawk squawk"?

    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: kch on 09/10/2016 08:49 AM
    I was originally going to post this in the wild and wacky thread, but due to the responses it might understandably generate, I thought it might be better here;

    What if the F9 or GSE was hit by a clam falling from above? Seagulls in the area are known to break open clams by flying them up to high altitude and dropping them on hard surfaces. So, could a clam (which has pointy edges) at terminal velocity have caused a leak, such as in a RP1 umbilical? It's very far-fetched, but that alone does not mean it's impossible.

    If it did, that would be a clamity ... ;)
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: CJ on 09/10/2016 09:41 AM
    I was originally going to post this in the wild and wacky thread, but due to the responses it might understandably generate, I thought it might be better here;

    What if the F9 or GSE was hit by a clam falling from above? Seagulls in the area are known to break open clams by flying them up to high altitude and dropping them on hard surfaces. So, could a clam (which has pointy edges) at terminal velocity have caused a leak, such as in a RP1 umbilical? It's very far-fetched, but that alone does not mean it's impossible.

    If it did, that would be a clamity ... ;)

    Indeed!

    Hrmmm... Lar did say that we're not supposed to speculate on motive, so I'll word this very carefully... the seagull's motive could have had nothing to do with launch, and everything to do with taking the A out of it.   

    It's also with mentioning a glaring lack in the speculation thread - lasers. Specifically, lasers on a ship. And, there was a ship just off Canaveral, one rumored to be laser armed. And we've never had a satisfactory explanation for that ring of bumps between the white and yellow rings. It could well be a laser defense system. Therefor, I think it's time to put OCISLY at the top of the suspect list! 
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: KelvinZero on 09/10/2016 10:21 AM
    It is frustrating in that this second stage issue has nothing to do with the awesome relanding of a first stage. If only the huge funding to SLS was going to genuinely experimental progress like this. Definitely this is a blow for SpaceX but there should be two or three equally exciting projects competing for our attention right now.

    There is Blue Origin of course, but that is only an interesting program to me if it is really a stealth program for something else. The up front goal is tourism and a few minutes of weightlessness for super rich, right? Nah. Don't care.

    It is horrible that something like this threatens all progress of interest over the next decade or so while so many billions are being thrown around and wasted.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: Eerie on 09/10/2016 11:34 AM
    There is Blue Origin of course, but that is only an interesting program to me if it is really a stealth program for something else. The up front goal is tourism and a few minutes of weightlessness for super rich, right? Nah. Don't care.

    They have a program and it's not stealthy at all. Blue Origin is building a first stage engine for Vulcan and planning to build its own orbital rocket. I think it's very safe to assume that if SpaceX shows continuous success with first stage reuse, Blue Origin will go for it as well.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: Doesitfloat on 09/10/2016 11:59 AM
    I was originally going to post this in the wild and wacky thread, but due to the responses it might understandably generate, I thought it might be better here;

    What if the F9 or GSE was hit by a clam falling from above? Seagulls in the area are known to break open clams by flying them up to high altitude and dropping them on hard surfaces. So, could a clam (which has pointy edges) at terminal velocity have caused a leak, such as in a RP1 umbilical? It's very far-fetched, but that alone does not mean it's impossible.

    If it did, that would be a clamity ... ;)


    Stop it your being shellfish. :-\
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: NASAGeek on 09/10/2016 06:46 PM
    I really hope they find the root cause quickly. Kinda worrisome they haven't an idea yet but its been only a week so far. But ever since the anomaly it's been on my mind.  Been checking the update thread and discussion threads like crazy
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: deruch on 09/10/2016 11:51 PM
    If someone can invent a machine that would freeze me in perfect stasis until the cause is found....I might pay good money for it? (Han Solo's carbonite?)

    That would be handy for a lot of things that you're waiting endlessly for (a trip to Mars, the perfect spouse, etc) LOL  ;D

    Not sure how being frozen is going to help you find your soulmate unless maybe you're a very, very, very rabid Boston Red Sox fan who has a thing for older guys with unusual body issues.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: kevin-rf on 09/14/2016 01:11 AM
    Was just rewatching the medical scanner scene in idiocracy and wondering. What if they mixed up the LOX, RP-1, and He lines?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIktqjfsB_0
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: CJ on 09/14/2016 03:49 AM
    As a note. We are not going to impugne competitors of SpaceX. When I say no motive, I mean it. Even in the party thread because that stuff isn't funny.

    (the bird with a lunch motive? ok, fine.  but ULA? Nope)

    Where would another oft-cited SpaceX acronym-based nemesis lie on that prohibition scale? I'm referring to ASDS OCISLY; can we discuss its possible motives , or do we just need to limit ourselves to how it might have done the deed (It was, after all, at sea off Canaveral at the time)? I suppose it comes down to whether ASDS OCISLY is a competitor of SpaceX... I suppose it is really, because it is after all an Autonomous Spaceport Drone Ship, so I'd best leave its many, many motives out of it (So, for example, I won't mention what the SES9 F9 did to OCISLY) . 

    As for the clam-dropping seagull being motivated by lunch... I was very very careful not to actually say that. <innocent look>.

    As a serious aside, a big thank-you to you and the other mods for keeping a lid on the competitor-did-it nonsense.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: CraigLieb on 09/16/2016 08:10 PM
    Ever wish there was a "reply in the party thread" button?

    From the Wacky Theories thread:
    My big reason for liking the lox condensation is the fit.
    ...

    My reason for liking LOX is that it tastes great.. particularly with a nice onion bagel toasted to perfection.. with melted butter and cream cheese...
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: JebK on 09/16/2016 08:11 PM
    Ever wish there was a "reply in the party thread" button?

    From the Wacky Theories thread:
    My big reason for liking the lox condensation is the fit.
    ...

    My reason for liking LOX is that it tastes great.. particularly with a nice onion bagel toasted to perfection.. with melted butter and cream cheese...

    ...and capers!
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: kevin-rf on 09/16/2016 08:30 PM
    It's Friday! You always dump bad news on Friday! Why hasn't SpaceX announced the root cause today?
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: rsdavis9 on 09/16/2016 08:56 PM
    I agree. I can only stand so much lox and cream cheese before I get HUNGRY for some real news. Come on Elon we know you are listening?
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: deruch on 09/17/2016 02:17 AM
    My reason for liking LOX is that it tastes great.. particularly with a nice onion bagel toasted to perfection.. with melted butter and cream cheese...

    Finally, a wacky theory I can get behind: SpaceX was trying to reduce their sodium intake and as a result their LOX tank went Nova.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: Lar on 09/17/2016 04:56 AM
    My reason for liking LOX is that it tastes great.. particularly with a nice onion bagel toasted to perfection.. with melted butter and cream cheese...

    Finally, a wacky theory I can get behind: SpaceX was trying to reduce their sodium intake and as a result their LOX tank went Nova.
    That's quite the, er, caper you came up with.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: high road on 09/17/2016 01:06 PM
    It's Friday! You always dump bad news on Friday! Why hasn't SpaceX announced the root cause today?

    That would be good news. When is the day for good news? When is Elon's (or Gwynne's) birthday? Or maybe he's going to hold off till the end of the month to say: first of, we've found the root cause, we're going to rent pigeon-homing rockets from -insert competitor- and we'll RTF on november 1st. Now for our spacecraft to Mars...
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: Ronpur50 on 09/17/2016 11:35 PM
    So how much damage could a fully laden seagull do to a Falcon 9?
    African or european ?

    Are they carrying coconuts?
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: CJ on 09/18/2016 01:15 AM
    A new suspect has emerged regarding the destruction of the F9. 

    The story behind the pic is here;
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/1369437/loch-ness-monster-sightings-nessie-pictures/
    If that's really Nessie, then the pad explosion is far closer to being explained, because Nessie had very strong motive to do so. I can't explain what those motives are (per the rules) but they are certainly rather obvious, if you think about it. 

    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: savuporo on 09/18/2016 02:30 AM
    So how much damage could a fully laden seagull do to a Falcon 9?
    African or european ?

    Are they carrying coconuts?

    Well, if they have it on line ..

    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: JebK on 09/18/2016 05:59 AM
    So how much damage could a fully laden seagull do to a Falcon 9?
    African or european ?

    Are they carrying coconuts?

    No.  A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: CJ on 09/18/2016 06:14 AM
    So how much damage could a fully laden seagull do to a Falcon 9?
    African or european ?

    Are they carrying coconuts?

    No.  A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.

    It could, simply by using the C-130 does to allow very short takeoffs with heavy loads: JATO packs. (Just a scaled down version)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtxqtPs2eDk

    That'd also explain the ignition source.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: 3Davideo on 09/19/2016 06:43 AM
    It's Friday! You always dump bad news on Friday! Why hasn't SpaceX announced the root cause today?

    That would be good news. When is the day for good news? When is Elon's (or Gwynne's) birthday? Or maybe he's going to hold off till the end of the month to say: first of, we've found the root cause, we're going to rent pigeon-homing rockets from -insert competitor- and we'll RTF on november 1st. Now for our spacecraft to Mars...

    Are homing pigeon rockets rockets that home onto pigeons, or a nascent space program of an avian species bred for message delivery?
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: high road on 09/19/2016 12:12 PM
    It's Friday! You always dump bad news on Friday! Why hasn't SpaceX announced the root cause today?

    That would be good news. When is the day for good news? When is Elon's (or Gwynne's) birthday? Or maybe he's going to hold off till the end of the month to say: first of, we've found the root cause, we're going to rent pigeon-homing rockets from -insert competitor- and we'll RTF on november 1st. Now for our spacecraft to Mars...

    Are homing pigeon rockets rockets that home onto pigeons, or a nascent space program of an avian species bred for message delivery?

    Both. One for delivering 'that's what happens to the competition' messages, and the other to protect one's own rockets from said message deliveries.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: CorvusCorax on 09/19/2016 04:30 PM
    I think Elon Musk must have never watched this forum

    https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/777325549442232320

    Otherwise he'd know the NSF first law of rocket construction:

    Lets hear it once again, loud and everyone together

    """ Spacecraft Are Not LEGO Elements!"""

    Repeat 3 times ;)
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: kevin-rf on 09/19/2016 06:41 PM
    Oh boy, he's in for a twitter lashing by Jim ;)
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: CraigLieb on 09/19/2016 07:09 PM
    Oh boy, he's in for a twitter lashing by Jim ;)
    <jim filter> no </jim filter>
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: Doesitfloat on 09/20/2016 07:22 PM
    Just got a fantastic fake picture of Falcon Heavy..... or is it??? :o
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: whitelancer64 on 09/20/2016 07:44 PM
    Just got a fantastic fake picture of Falcon Heavy..... or is it??? :o

    Photoshop. That's Vandenberg, which is currently evacuated of all but emergency firefighting personnel.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: JamesH65 on 09/20/2016 07:52 PM
    Just got a fantastic fake picture of Falcon Heavy..... or is it??? :o

    They forgot the legs.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: Lar on 09/20/2016 08:59 PM
    Expansion ratios...

    Over in <redacted place on NSF> some of our best rocket designer posters are busily calculating the expansion ratios of <redacted engine 1> and <redacted engine 2> and <redacted engine 3> based on various things that should remain nameless provided by people such as <redacted>, <redacted> and the always accurate <redacted>. Calculating expansion ratios is fun.

    Have you ever done it for posts?

    Consider this user (who happens to work for <redacted>)

    <redacted>
    Full Member
    <redacted>
    Posts: 312
    Liked: 600
    Likes Given: 32

    We can calculate their liked:likes expansion ratio as 600:32 or almost 20:1 (18.75;1 to be more precise) !!!  That's pretty good for vacuum (and with the amount of redaction present in this example, that's not a bad analog).  Efficent poster? or just stingy with likes. You decide.

    But their liked:posts ratio is only a paltry 600:312 which is less than 2:1 ...  (1.92307:1 to be more precise) not even sea level quality.

    So which poster here has the best ratios? And what about if we ask only about high thrust posters??? OK, Jim is in a heavy lifter class all by himself but consider my numbers...

    Posts: 6550
    Liked: 3320
    Likes Given: 2474

    liked:likes 3320:2474 1.30153:1
    liked:posts 3320:6550 .50867:1

    Should I be ingratiating myself to the masses more? I'm not an employee of <redactedX>[1] or even <redacted> but my employer DOES have blue in their nickname, so this may be the best I can do?

    At these thrust levels, er, post levels, is this about the best one can do? Or do we have better?

    1 - that was a slip. Pretend you never saw that letter
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: Lar on 09/20/2016 08:59 PM
    """ Spacecraft Are Not LEGO Elements!"""

    The beatings appear to be working... you didn't say Legos :)
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: CraigLieb on 09/20/2016 09:24 PM
    Expansion ratios...

    Over in <redacted place on NSF> some of our best rocket designer posters are busily calculating the expansion ratios of <redacted engine 1> and <redacted engine 2> and <redacted engine 3> based on various things that should remain nameless provided by people such as <redacted>, <redacted> and the always accurate <redacted>. Calculating expansion ratios is fun.

    Have you ever done it for posts?

    Consider this user (who happens to work for <redacted>)

    <redacted>
    Full Member
    <redacted>
    Posts: 312
    Liked: 600
    Likes Given: 32

    We can calculate their liked:likes expansion ratio as 600:32 or almost 20:1 (18.75;1 to be more precise) !!!  That's pretty good for vacuum (and with the amount of redaction present in this example, that's not a bad analog).  Efficent poster? or just stingy with likes. You decide.

    But their liked:posts ratio is only a paltry 600:312 which is less than 2:1 ...  (1.92307:1 to be more precise) not even sea level quality.

    So which poster here has the best ratios? And what about if we ask only about high thrust posters??? OK, Jim is in a heavy lifter class all by himself but consider my numbers...

    Posts: 6550
    Liked: 3320
    Likes Given: 2474

    liked:likes 3320:2474 1.30153:1
    liked:posts 3320:6550 .50867:1

    Should I be ingratiating myself to the masses more? I'm not an employee of <redactedX>[1] or even <redacted> but my employer DOES have blue in their nickname, so this may be the best I can do?

    At these thrust levels, er, post levels, is this about the best one can do? Or do we have better?

    1 - that was a slip. Pretend you never saw that letter

    The quoted post was worthy of a like just because of the work entailed... 

    But generally I like things in the party thread because they are clever, snarky or both.  It is basically a 'chuckle meter' or even a SNORT meter!  As an extension to "like", can I propose a new 'super like' that is only earned if you spit coffee all over the screen when reading the post?
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: CJ on 09/20/2016 11:50 PM
    """ Spacecraft Are Not LEGO Elements!"""

    The beatings appear to be working... you didn't say Legos :)

    Shhhh!! Don't let Lar see you say that word, it's not okay in any context!
    <runs and hides>
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: S.Paulissen on 09/21/2016 12:30 AM
    """ Spacecraft Are Not LEGO Elements!"""

    The beatings appear to be working... you didn't say Legos :)

    They are and ever will be Legos LEGO elementsLEGOS, Lar.  I'm sorry, nearly no one will use a needlessly long incorrect LONG name for a toy. /awaits-the-banning

    Edit/Lar: Fixed that for him.... No, I'm not misusing my mod powers... honest.
    Edit/S.Paulissen: Refixed that for Lar.  How else can my master plan for having Lar removed from mod status at NSF furthering my master plan TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD MUAHAHAHA!
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: Lar on 09/21/2016 01:39 AM
    """ Spacecraft Are Not LEGO Elements!"""

    The beatings appear to be working... you didn't say Legos :)

    They are and ever will be Legos LEGO elements, Lar.  I'm sorry, nearly no one will use a needlessly long incorrect name for a toy. /awaits-the-banning

    Edit/Lar: Fixed that for him.... No, I'm not misusing my mod powers... honest.
    Let's see if S.Paulissen changes it back.

    NOTE: this sort of foolishness would not fly anywhere except in the party thread. And maybe not even here. Don't tell Chris.
    PS I remember who dropped the dime on my Churchill literature post... they better watch their back is all I have to say.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: ZachS09 on 09/21/2016 01:44 AM
    Just got a fantastic fake picture of Falcon Heavy..... or is it??? :o

    They forgot the legs.

    Sometimes, you gotta pull off the legs if there's this one satellite that wants all the performance of the Falcon Heavy. Then, you scrap the RTLS or barging attempt, and make sure that the cores' fuel tanks are completely empty before separation.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: Lar on 09/21/2016 01:20 PM
    ... and make sure that the cores' fuel tanks are completely empty before separation.

    That's dangerous. Turbopumps designed to move liquid do weird things when sucking air. Having the boosters disintegrate instead of separate might not be the best approach.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: starhawk92 on 09/21/2016 04:52 PM
    ... and make sure that the cores' fuel tanks are completely empty before separation.

    That's dangerous. Turbopumps designed to move liquid do weird things when sucking air. Having the boosters disintegrate instead of separate might not be the best approach.

    Give them beer!

    Let them eat cake!

    And the party resumes . . . . .
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: CorvusCorax on 09/21/2016 07:43 PM
    ... and make sure that the cores' fuel tanks are completely empty before separation.

    That's dangerous. Turbopumps designed to move liquid do weird things when sucking air. Having the boosters disintegrate instead of separate might not be the best approach.

    That's called KSP style hot staging, isn't it? ;)

    You could even throw in a few Legos ( or similar foreign objects) with the last drops of propellant for good measure. ;)

    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: starhawk92 on 09/22/2016 01:55 PM
    SpaceX vs NFL, Week 2 (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40245.msg1587161#msg1587161)

    If SpaceX cannot RTF before the NFL season ends, then they should end up with a Wildcard Playoff Birth (if past history really does indicate future gains).
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: CJ on 09/22/2016 06:41 PM
    SpaceX vs NFL, Week 2 (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40245.msg1587161#msg1587161)

    If SpaceX cannot RTF before the NFL season ends, then they should end up with a Wildcard Playoff Birth (if past history really does indicate future gains).

    I think the situation is more dire than that. If SpaceX can't RTF by the Thanksgiving Day bowl games, their chances for making it to the Superbowl drop to pretty much zero.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: dodo on 09/23/2016 07:09 AM
    We should be wishing for the days when football productivity will decline if a private space company is returning to flight...
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: CJ on 09/23/2016 09:27 PM
    Okay, now we know, per SpaceX's update, that a resonance (vibration) was seen in a COPV before the anomalous fiery event.

    Is this unprecedented? No, it isn't!  We've seen seemingly inexplicable resonances before, during the final approaches of F9s to the ASDS (but not, tellingly, on land landings). It's clear if you listen to the onboard vids that have sound; a buzzing that increases in both amplitude and frequency - what we hear is it making things vibrate on the ASDS.

    This looks like case closed to me; some sort of ultrasonic anti-missile defense system on the ASDS, and an ASDS (OCISLY) was at sea off the cape at the time of the kaboom.

    It was simply a preemptive strike.

    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: deruch on 10/01/2016 10:14 PM
    This looks like case closed to me; some sort of ultrasonic anti-missile defense system

    And who would currently be putting lots of research into such a missile defense system: Israel!  Clearly, this system was designed as a space-based missile shield and was covertly piggy-backing on AMOS-6.  Unfortunately, mistaking the F9 as a threat, it prematurely engaged and destroyed it's own ride into orbit.  Thus gaining everlasting glory as the only missile defense system to have a higher effective rating than the theoretical maximum in that it successfully destroyed a target prior to achieving operational status.  IAI, batting over 1.000.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: Craftyatom on 10/02/2016 12:28 AM
    This looks like case closed to me; some sort of ultrasonic anti-missile defense system

    And who would currently be putting lots of research into such a missile defense system: Israel!  Clearly, this system was designed as a space-based missile shield and was covertly piggy-backing on AMOS-6.  Unfortunately, mistaking the F9 as a threat, it prematurely engaged and destroyed it's own ride into orbit.  Thus gaining everlasting glory as the only missile defense system to have a higher effective rating than the theoretical maximum in that it successfully destroyed a target prior to achieving operational status.  IAI, batting over 1.000.

    You'd think investors would love that kind of absolutely certain return on investment, but still the company was descending into bankruptcy.  The economy works in mysterious ways.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: deruch on 10/02/2016 12:52 AM
    This looks like case closed to me; some sort of ultrasonic anti-missile defense system

    And who would currently be putting lots of research into such a missile defense system: Israel!  Clearly, this system was designed as a space-based missile shield and was covertly piggy-backing on AMOS-6.  Unfortunately, mistaking the F9 as a threat, it prematurely engaged and destroyed it's own ride into orbit.  Thus gaining everlasting glory as the only missile defense system to have a higher effective rating than the theoretical maximum in that it successfully destroyed a target prior to achieving operational status.  IAI, batting over 1.000.

    You'd think investors would love that kind of absolutely certain return on investment, but still the company was descending into bankruptcy.  The economy works in mysterious ways.

    You're confusing Spacecom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacecom)--the Israeli satellite operating company which was/is in the process of being sold to a Chinese company and has annual revenues in the $100 million range-- with IAI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Aerospace_Industries)--the fully-government owned company that built the satellite and is a major manufacturer of both military and civilian systems whose annual revenues are in $3.5+ billion range (definitely not descending into bankruptcy).  This would be analogous to mixing up Iridium with Boeing or Lockheed Martin.

    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: Heinrich on 10/04/2016 07:52 PM
    Now that all probable causes are ruled out, and Elon is referencing a lot to the hitchhiker's guide, should we start discussing whether SpaceX has conducted 'research into finite improbability'?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCf53ses22w

    moving a lot of molecules of LOX and RP1 exactly 1 foot to the left could be causing an outside explosion.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: DecoLV on 10/06/2016 11:50 PM
    Guys, I heard a rumor SpaceX has an electrolysis unit at 39A for use during the storm. If it can split the raindrops in the hurricane, they can store a whole lot of H2 and 02...is there a Bigelow module nearby they can store in? Sure seems like something Elon would like to try...
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: dodo on 10/07/2016 04:54 PM
    In any event, they should launch *during* a hurricane. They'd gain a lot of tangential velocity.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: Craftyatom on 10/07/2016 07:00 PM
    In any event, they should launch *during* a hurricane. They'd gain a lot of tangential velocity.

    Let's hope the mission planners know about the Coriolis effect, or the satellite could end up retrograde...
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: Norm38 on 10/13/2016 06:50 PM
    (In talking about the IAC) - “Crazy people are a lot faster to the mic than scientists.” - Elon Musk.

    That's a great quote. I'd apply it to the whole of social media.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: 411rocket on 10/13/2016 11:23 PM
    (In talking about the IAC) - “Crazy people are a lot faster to the mic than scientists.” - Elon Musk.

    That's a great quote. I'd apply it to the whole of social media.

    We had the #1 crazy in line  ;).....  A driver of egg beaters.  ;D

    As I heard them referred to, many years ago, some old nickname or such.
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: TripD on 10/20/2016 11:00 PM
    non sequitur, but Mmmmm lasers!

    http://cleanlaser.de/wDeutsch/filme/media/cleanLASER-general-applications.flv
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: mvpel on 10/24/2016 03:22 PM
    non sequitur, but Mmmmm lasers!

    http://cleanlaser.de/wDeutsch/filme/media/cleanLASER-general-applications.flv

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh7bYNAHXxw
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: CJ on 10/24/2016 07:17 PM
    (In talking about the IAC) - “Crazy people are a lot faster to the mic than scientists.” - Elon Musk.

    That's a great quote. I'd apply it to the whole of social media.

    We had the #1 crazy in line  ;).....  A driver of egg beaters.  ;D

    As I heard them referred to, many years ago, some old nickname or such.

    I think you're delving into the realm of fiction here: helicopters. The aerodynamic fact of the matter is that they, like bumblebees, cannot fly. Thus, helicopters, like starships, exist only in the realm of fiction and overactive imaginations.

     

    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: CuddlyRocket on 10/24/2016 10:23 PM
    I think you're delving into the realm of fiction here: helicopters. The aerodynamic fact of the matter is that they, like bumblebees, cannot fly. Thus, helicopters, like starships, exist only in the realm of fiction and overactive imaginations.

    My understanding is that, so far as bumblebees are concerned, our greater knowledge of aerodynamics means this is no longer true (something to do with taking into account the flexibility of the wing and/or lift due to vortices, or somesuch). Not sure about helicopters!

    More applicable to this site, and if my memories of the end of the Cold War haven't failed me, Russian engineers achieved by trial and error a successful rocket engine design that US engineers hadn't attempted because their theoretical calculations told them it was impossible.

    Both are examples of the adage that conclusions drawn from theory are only as strong as the theory itself. All theories are approximations and any approximation has the potential for error.

    Starships? The FTL variety? They seem impossible due to the strictures of Special Relativity. However, SR depends on our knowledge of space and there is a growing opinion among theoretical physicists that space may be an emergent and not fundamental property. If so, then a greater understanding of the underlying reality may permit things that currently seem impossible. We can but dream! :)
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: rocx on 10/25/2016 07:45 AM
    More applicable to this site, and if my memories of the end of the Cold War haven't failed me, Russian engineers achieved by trial and error a successful rocket engine design that US engineers hadn't attempted because their theoretical calculations told them it was impossible.

    You're likely referring to oxidiser-rich staged combustion, or "let's throw hot reactive oxygen at our precious metal structure"-combustion.

    Anyway, with all the rumours of a november or december launch, I think it's time to revive the party. When SpaceX is ready for RTF, we must be ready for RTP!
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: TripD on 10/25/2016 05:14 PM
    Quote
    I think you're delving into the realm of fiction here: helicopters. The aerodynamic fact of the matter is that they, like bumblebees, cannot fly. Thus, helicopters, like starships, exist only in the realm of fiction and overactive imaginations.

    In both cases they make scary sounds that cause people to duck and run, giving the perception that the source is rising quickly.  True science fakt!
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: rocx on 10/26/2016 07:36 AM
    I get the award
    Just another way of saying "I told you so."

    But heck, maybe we should start giving you awards.  :)

    Maybe it is time to start giving out some NSF awards. Such as:

    Jim award - for the most information in the least amount of characters
    Sofa award - for the most shocking reveal in a single post
    Helodriver award - for the most intelligent question
    Nomadd award - for the best in-depth story about the life in aerospace
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: oiorionsbelt on 10/27/2016 03:03 AM
    You can view the the Nat Geo "Mars" already.



    https://twitter.com/NatGeoChannel/status/791353720604729345
    Title: Re: The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
    Post by: CraigLieb on 10/27/2016 04:30 PM