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International Space Flight (ESA, Russia, China and others) => Russian Launchers - Soyuz, Progress and Uncrewed => Topic started by: Satori on 04/28/2015 10:09 pm
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Kobalt-M n.º 565 is schedule for launch on May 15, 2015, from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome using 14A14-1A Soyuz-2-1A (78072171).
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If the problems on the Progress M-27M are traced back to a malfunctioning Blok-I, then we may see a delay in this launch.
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According to the NK forum, this launch may take place in June.
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According to the NK forum, this launch may take place in June.
There was a posting along these lines from Roscosmos (I think) on Facebook: not a specific date.
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My understanding:
This the last film-return imaging reconnaissance mission for any nation?
Zubenelgenubi
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My understanding:
This the last film-return imaging reconnaissance mission for any nation?
Zubenelgenubi
Yes, this is the last one of this species.
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My understanding:
This the last film-return imaging reconnaissance mission for any nation?
Zubenelgenubi
Yes, this is the last one of this species.
US has one that was a flight spare. There is no plans to ever fly it. My father was photo chemist in the USAF and worked in film prepartation and loading processing chemical and developer for flight on both planes and SC through 1998
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There are sources reporting that this launch will occur TODAY at 15:24 UTC (!)..... (e.g. http://tass.ru/kosmos/2021924 (http://tass.ru/kosmos/2021924))
....which is strange since as of May 29th the reports still points to a delay and nothing about this one was reported since the Progress accident final report came out (only news about the next Progress). Nothing about roll-out (which is standard per recent launches) either. Anyone knows if there are NOTAMs and sea region closure notices anywhere? :o
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Well, things have changed since the geopolitical problems with the Ukraine, so I would expect more surprise announcements like this one for the future military launches. But lets just wait and see what happens.
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Sounds like this is on with the closing air-routes list here crossing the right area at the right time: G1755/15 - ATS RTE SEGMENTS CLSD: A333 SOTIS - DELIL, G355 SOTIS - DOBUT, G911 KOMOV - MEZEN NDB (MZ), R355 ROKUT - MEZEN NDB (MZ). SFC - UNL, DAILY 1500-1630, 05 JUN 15:00 2015 UNTIL 06 JUN 16:30 2015. CREATED: 01 JUN 07:23 2015
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My understanding:
This the last film-return imaging reconnaissance mission for any nation?
Zubenelgenubi
Yes, this is the last one of this species.
US has one that was a flight spare. There is no plans to ever fly it. My father was photo chemist in the USAF and worked in film prepartation and loading processing chemical and developer for flight on both planes and SC through 1998
<OT>Are you referring to the KH-8 now on display at the USAF museum?</OT>
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Good work already guys. Let's keep an eye out for a launch confirmation. I'll rustle up an article.
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Digits crossed that this launch is successful.
The chances are high that this will be the final launch of a film-return photoreconnaissance satellite since everyone is now using digital imaging satellites.
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The Soyuz-2-1A launch vehicle on the launch pad. The photo was taken 24 hours ago.
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So I guess this is going! 15 minutes to launch.
Also, I suspect no webcast, am I right?
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It's a military launch, so no webcast.
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Launch time... let's wait for news from Plesetsk!!!
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Launch confirmation from RIA Novosti...
http://ria.ru/space/20150605/1068423926.html (http://ria.ru/space/20150605/1068423926.html)
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Launch story was updated, they say it's success
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And also from TASS http://tass.ru/kosmos/2023782 (in Russian).
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Launch story was updated, they say it's success
Earlier T-0? Or premature update?
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Launch story was updated, they say it's success
Earlier T-0? Or premature update?
They say that the launch took place at 1524UTC, so update was well before spacecraft separation.
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Launch story was updated, they say it's success
Earlier T-0? Or premature update?
They say that the launch took place at 1524UTC.
Copy, so we don't know if it was a success yet.
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Earlier T-0? Or premature update?
I'm not sure. RIA Novosti articles get updated quite frequently, even within minutes. But...
18:2705.06.2015 (обновлено: 18:29 05.06.2015), which means it was updated at 18:29.
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Wasn't a five minute ride to orbit, so premature.
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Any reports (not counting that premature announcement)? By now, they should know, if the launch was a success.
How soon can we get confirmation, from independant sources?
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Spacecraft separation http://ria.ru/space/20150605/1068427539.html !
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Yeah, I'm hoping someone on the NK forum will be able to give a thumbs up, as opposed to state media.
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Spacecraft separation http://ria.ru/space/20150605/1068427539.html !
Although that sounds good! ;D
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Any reports (not counting that premature announcement)? By now, they should know, if the launch was a success.
How soon can we get confirmation, from independant sources?
Launch sucess confirmation http://ria.ru/space/20150605/1068427539.html (in Russian)
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After the confusion over Cosmos numbers over the last 18 months or so, I wonder what number they will think up for this launch.
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After the confusion over Cosmos numbers over the last 18 months or so, I wonder what number they will think up for this launch.
Kosmos-2504
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Thought we already had a Kosmos 2504?
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Thought we already had a Kosmos 2504?
Please, check http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36426.20
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Short article:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/06/russia-surprise-soyuz-2-1a-launch-kobalt-m/
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Thought we already had a Kosmos 2504?
Please, check http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36426.20
....K-2504 was the "little companion" launched with 3 Gonets-M satellites on March 31.
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Thought we already had a Kosmos 2504?
Please, check http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36426.20
....K-2504 was the "little companion" launched with 3 Gonets-M satellites on March 31.
Ups, of course you are right!!!...
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After the confusion over Cosmos numbers over the last 18 months or so, I wonder what number they will think up for this launch.
Kosmos-2504
2505 according to http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201506051842-9e14.htm (http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201506051842-9e14.htm) (and launch video).
On YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhJpDH5jJ1Q
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Clearer version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW1LiCQE2Ic
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Launch images from the Russian Ministry of Defence: http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12039827@egNews
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Exact launch time was 1523:54.191UTC.
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Short article:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/06/russia-surprise-soyuz-2-1a-launch-kobalt-m/
Congrats Chris....your article got linked from Drudge Report!!!!
"Moscow conducts surprise rocket launch... "
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Short article:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/06/russia-surprise-soyuz-2-1a-launch-kobalt-m/
Congrats Chris....your article got linked from Drudge Report!!!!
"Moscow conducts surprise rocket launch... "
1st column, 4th from the top. That's pretty good.
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Cataloged as 40667, 40668 in 177 x 285 km x 81.4 deg orbit, which is very close to the parameters of the previous such mission
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Cataloged as 40667, 40668 in 177 x 285 km x 81.4 deg orbit, which is very close to the parameters of the previous such mission
I know they don't stay up long but in such a low orbit they must do a lot of station keeping to maintain that.
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Cataloged as 40667, 40668 in 177 x 285 km x 81.4 deg orbit, which is very close to the parameters of the previous such mission
I know they don't stay up long but in such a low orbit they must do a lot of station keeping to maintain that.
Perigee will be raised by 20 km or so to ease orbital decay issues, but expect around a dozen orbital maintenance manoeuvres while the satellite is in orbit for 120-130 days.
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Cataloged as 40667, 40668 in 177 x 285 km x 81.4 deg orbit, which is very close to the parameters of the previous such mission
I know they don't stay up long but in such a low orbit they must do a lot of station keeping to maintain that.
Perigee will be raised by 20 km or so to ease orbital decay issues, but expect around a dozen orbital maintenance manoeuvres while the satellite is in orbit for 120-130 days.
Thanks for that info.
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Just for information, I am attaching (if the technology works!) a listing of the Cosmos 2495 orbital manoeuvres from last year: this is from a paper that i am currently working on that is reviewing the final two launches in the Kobalt-M series.
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More photos (http://xn--80ahclcogc6ci4h.xn--90anlfbebar6i.xn--p1ai/multimedia/photo/gallery.htm?id=22538@cmsPhotoGallery)
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Cosmos 2505 has performed its first orbit-raising manoeuvre, from 175-275 km to 193-275 km (Jun 8.56).
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Launch video (mistakenly posted on Russian MOD as the Kosmos-2506 launch)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TaLCY87bV8
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Kosmos-2505 (Kobal't-M) appears to have landed; JSPOC decay notice for Sep 18.
I calculate a likely descent with deorbit around 0840 UTC and landing around 0909 UTC; I imagine Phil Clark will
have his own estimate. Phil?
Orbital life was 104.7 days
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Highly appropriate that the final film-return satellite should come down and thus the series is retired at the time that I was retiring from full-time work!
However, a quick look at the numbers suggests to me a descent on September 17 at about 22:19 UT: then again right now it is a bit early for me after last night's celebrating. ;)
A pity that this satellite wasn't a record-breaker in terms of duration. I can now finish my JBIS paper about the Russian photoreconnaissance programme and get that sent in in the the next two weeks.
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Looks like you are correct, Phil:
http://www.astronomy.ru/forum/index.php?topic=134838.0
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Looks like you are correct, Phil:
http://www.astronomy.ru/forum/index.php?topic=134838.0
The master wins again. Something went wonky with my calculation yesterday - checking again today I get
the same answer as Phil to within a minute or two.
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Nice to get that observational confirmation.
Now if only there were reports of the small SpK film capsules being recovered at some point in the past couple months... has any info come out on their recovery dates?
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Highly appropriate that the final film-return satellite should come down and thus the series is retired at the time that I was retiring from full-time work!
However, a quick look at the numbers suggests to me a descent on September 17 at about 22:19 UT: then again right now it is a bit early for me after last night's celebrating. ;)
A pity that this satellite wasn't a record-breaker in terms of duration. I can now finish my JBIS paper about the Russian photoreconnaissance programme and get that sent in in the the next two weeks.
There is enough spare hardware left to build another one and launch next year but there are not any plans to do so. Instead looks like may end being reused for parts or given for display.
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There is enough spare hardware left to build another one and launch next year but there plans to do so. Instead looks like may end being reused for parts or given for display.
A pity that it wasn't put together for the London Science Museum!
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Kobalt-M n.º 565 is schedule for launch on May 15, 2015, from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome using 14A14-1A Soyuz-2-1A (78072171).
According to Anik the fairing had serial №78072158. That suggests that the rocket used for this launch, was not the original. No other type of satellite used this type of fairing, article 14С736.
So is there a rocket with serial №78072158? After the previous failed launch of Progress M-27M, was the rocket substituted with №78072171?
There are two types of serial numbers; ones that start with a 7, and those that contain 15000. Rockets prepared for the military have the serial numbers starting with a 7.
Rocket with №78072171 painted on the side, would have been referred to in the factory as 20М136С, the 20th machine of the 136th series, or just 20/136 (once again according to Anik). Mostly the serial numbers starting with a 7, correlate with the factory number. So if №78072171 is 20/136, I would expect №78072158 to be 7/136.
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic304/message1399968/#message1399968
There is a Soyuz-2-1a rocket with factory number 7/136. It is to be used to launch Kanopus-V-IK, though it is being supplied to fulfil the requirement under contract №353-1193/12 dated 11th September 2012, for the launch of Rezonans.
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=37032.msg1440451#msg1440451
So rocket №78072158 has become rocket №Т15000-018? That leaves the question of what rocket was originally being prepared to fulfil the Rezonans contract; and what payload was №78072171 assigned to carry?
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Some pictures of a fallen lateral stage...
http://29.rpn.gov.ru/node/11984