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Title: Soyuz-U launch and Progress M-20M Updates - July, 2013 - Feb, 2014
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 04/11/2013 06:43 am
Vitaly Lopota reports that testing of the spacecraft will start tomorrow, and even gives a launch time - 22:10 UTC on July 23.

Source: http://www.interfax.ru/news.asp?id=300800  (http://www.interfax.ru/news.asp?id=300800)
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 23, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 04/15/2013 05:05 pm
According to Kaktus from the NK forum (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum10/topic13550/message1059882/#message1059882), the launch will be possibly on August 15th at 13:21 UTC.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 23, 2013
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 04/15/2013 05:09 pm
According to Kaktus from the NK forum (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum10/topic13550/message1059882/#message1059882), the launch will be possibly on August 15th at 13:21 UTC.

Actually 16:21 Moscow time = 12:21 UTC.  ;)

Interesting - that puts it after HTV-4 reaches the station with docking just after a Russian spacewalk (of course these dates can change). What caused such a change - emptying a slot for the first Cygnus?
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 23, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 04/15/2013 05:26 pm
According to Kaktus from the NK forum (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum10/topic13550/message1059882/#message1059882), the launch will be possibly on August 15th at 13:21 UTC.

Actually 16:21 Moscow time = 12:21 UTC.  ;)
No, ДМВ (Dekretnoe Moskovskoe Vremya) - Decree Moscow time UTC+3, but Moscow Time UTC+4 ;).
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - August 15, 2013
Post by: anik on 05/06/2013 08:39 am
The launch is planned at 20:46 UTC on July 27th.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: anik on 06/20/2013 06:08 am
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Breaking.html

Saturday, July 27
4:30 p.m. - ISS Progress 52 Launch Coverage (Launch scheduled at 4:45 p.m. ET) – JSC (All Channels)
9:45 p.m. - ISS Progress 52 Docking Coverage (Docking scheduled at 10:29 p.m. ET) – JSC (All Channels)
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: anik on 06/21/2013 09:13 am
The launch is planned at 20:45:06 UTC on July 27th.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Danderman on 07/06/2013 06:27 pm
Russia Will Launch Space Freighter on Schedule – Roscosmos

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130705/182078855/Russia-Will-Launch-Space-Freighter-on-Schedule--Roscosmos.html

MOSCOW, July 5 (RIA Novosti) – Russia will launch the next cargo spacecraft to the International Space Station (ISS) on schedule, despite a recent accident with a Proton-M carrier rocket, a senior Russian space official said Friday.

The Progress M-20M space freighter is slated for lift off on July 28 from the Baikonur space center in Kazakhstan where a Proton rocket carrying three Glonass navigation satellites exploded shortly after launch on Tuesday.

“Preparations for the Progress launch are running according to schedule. It is still planned for July 28,” Popovkin told reporters after meeting of the state commission on reforming the space industry.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Phillip Clark on 07/06/2013 07:07 pm
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Breaking.html
Saturday, July 27
4:30 p.m. - ISS Progress 52 Launch Coverage (Launch scheduled at 4:45 p.m. ET) – JSC (All Channels)
9:45 p.m. - ISS Progress 52 Docking Coverage (Docking scheduled at 10:29 p.m. ET) – JSC (All Channels)

As usual, NASA is using its fairy-story designators that have no significance.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Space Pete on 07/06/2013 08:36 pm
As usual, NASA is using its fairy-story designators that have no significance.

Well, they are not of "no significance" - 52P means simply the 52nd Progress to visit the ISS. NASA use this count in order to make Progress flight numbering "linear" like the HTV and ATV counts, because the Russian Progress count is reset every time a new version comes into operation, meaning the Russian Progress flight designations do not reflect the actual number of Progress flights to the ISS, which is how all non-Russian vehicles are counted.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Stan Black on 07/06/2013 08:49 pm
As usual, NASA is using its fairy-story designators that have no significance.

Well, they are not of "no significance" - 52P means simply the 52nd Progress to visit the ISS. NASA use this count in order to make Progress flight numbering "linear" like the HTV and ATV counts, because the Russian Progress count is reset every time a new version comes into operation, meaning the Russian Progress flight designations do not reflect the actual number of Progress flights to the ISS, which is how all non-Russian vehicles are counted.

M-12M did not manage to visit…
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Satori on 07/06/2013 09:13 pm
As usual, NASA is using its fairy-story designators that have no significance.

Well, they are not of "no significance" - 52P means simply the 52nd Progress to visit the ISS. NASA use this count in order to make Progress flight numbering "linear" like the HTV and ATV counts, because the Russian Progress count is reset every time a new version comes into operation, meaning the Russian Progress flight designations do not reflect the actual number of Progress flights to the ISS, which is how all non-Russian vehicles are counted.

We know very well that explanation. But one thing is using the ISS-52P designator the other thing is to say that the vehicle is Progress-52. This is an old discussion, but I think Phil is right.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Targeteer on 07/07/2013 04:40 am
Even more confusing is when the docked Soyuz' are referred to as Progress 418 or 419 when talking to MCC-M about loading or unloading...
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Satori on 07/15/2013 02:02 pm
At Baikonur launch site the preparations continue for the launch of Progress M-20M cargo vehicle under the International Space Station program.

The Technical Management meeting took place, which made a decision to fuel Progress M-20M cargo vehicle with propellant components and compressed gases.

http://www.energia.ru/en/iss/iss36/progress_m-20m/photo_07-12.html
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Satori on 07/17/2013 11:12 am
At Baikonur launch site the preparations continue for the launch of Progress M-20M cargo vehicle under the International Space Station program.

Progress M-20M cargo vehicle fueled with propellant components and compressed gases was delivered to the Spacecraft Assembly and Testing Facility for final processing operations.

http://www.energia.ru/en/iss/iss36/progress_m-20m/photo_07-17.html
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/20/2013 05:57 am
A transfer compartment was docked with Progress M-20M cargo vehicle

At Baikonur launch site the preparations continue for the launch of Progress M-20M cargo vehicle under the International Space Station program.

Progress M-20M transport cargo vehicle was docked with the transfer compartment in the Spacecraft Assembly and Testing Facility.

http://www.energia.ru/en/iss/iss36/progress_m-20m/photo_07-19.html
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Stan Black on 07/20/2013 10:32 am
Is this the modified Progress for the removal of Pirs?
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Star One on 07/21/2013 07:40 pm
Are these still Progress M1 vehicles or has the model evolved on since then?
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: russianhalo117 on 07/21/2013 08:39 pm
Are these still Progress M1 vehicles or has the model evolved on since then?
Progress M-M series (400 Series SC's: No. 400-No. 430) is latest Progress version.
Progress MS series (400 Series SC's: No. 431+) which is in development is currently, to my knowledge, the last planned version of the Progress series before the switch to the new spacecraft design. Excluding Progress M-UM (No. 303), which is planned on Soyuz-2-1B, Progress MS is the first version of the Progress and Soyuz spacecrafts designed to support launches on the Soyuz-2 launcher series (Soyuz-2-1A & Soyuz-2-1B versions only). There now 10 or less Soyuz-U PVB launchers left to start, so only Soyuz-FG, Soyuz-2-1A, and Soyuz-2-1B versions are available to fly the new Progress MS series as well as the new, but lately uncertain Soyuz MS (Soyuz TMA-MS) series.

The first scheduled launch in the Progress MS series is on 30 July 2015.
Here is an incomplete schedule i created from Anik's Schedule of ISS flight events (part 2), Anik's Plan of Russian space launches (part 2), and From PM from Stan Black:
30 July 2015 – Progress MS (No. 431) – Soyuz – Baikonur
22 October 2015 – Progress MS-2 (No. 432) – Soyuz – Baikonur
22 February 2016 – Progress MS-3 (No. 433) – Soyuz – Baikonur
2016 (TBD) – Progress MS-4 (No. 434) – Soyuz – Baikonur
2016 (TBD) – Progress MS-5 (No. 435) – Soyuz – Baikonur
2016 (TBD) – Progress MS-6 (No. 436) – Soyuz – Baikonur
2017 (TBD) – Progress MS-7 (No. 437) – Soyuz – Baikonur
2017 (TBD) – Progress MS-8 (No. 438) – Soyuz – Baikonur
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Danderman on 07/22/2013 02:04 am
Are these still Progress M1 vehicles or has the model evolved on since then?

Progress M1 had some very advanced features, but was discontinued due to expense and lack of requirements for the extra prop that it could carry.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/22/2013 10:03 am
Designers inspection of Progress M-20M cargo vehicle and payload shroud roll were performed

At Baikonur launch site the preparations continue for the launch of Progress M-20M cargo vehicle under the International Space Station program.

Designers inspection of the Progress M-20M cargo vehicle was completed.

Payload shroud roll on to the Progress M-20M cargo vehicle was performed.

http://www.energia.ru/en/iss/iss36/progress_m-20m/photo_07-22.html
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Danderman on 07/22/2013 01:55 pm
So, what modifications have been made to this Progress, apart from the speculation that this would be the Progress that would remove Pirs from ISS?

Does this have the modified solar panels, or the upgraded communications system?
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Stan Black on 07/22/2013 02:02 pm
So, what modifications have been made to this Progress, apart from the speculation that this would be the Progress that would remove Pirs from ISS?

Does this have the modified solar panels, or the upgraded communications system?


Modified for Pirs removal as per L2
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: jacqmans on 07/22/2013 06:45 pm
MEDIA ADVISORY M13-115


Space Station Cargo Ship Activities to Air on NASA TV


WASHINGTON -- NASA Television will provide live coverage of the departure of one Russian cargo spacecraft from the International Space Station (ISS) on Thursday, July 25 and the launch and docking of another to the station Saturday, July 27.

The ISS Progress 50 resupply ship currently moored to the space station's Pirs docking compartment will undock at 4:43 p.m. EDT Thursday. Progress 50 arrived at the station in February, and will depart filled with trash and then burn up during reentry over the Pacific Ocean. NASA TV coverage of undocking will begin at 4:30 p.m.

The departure will clear Pirs for the arrival of ISS Progress 52, another unpiloted cargo craft loaded with almost three tons of food, fuel, supplies and experiment hardware for the six crew members aboard the orbiting laboratory. Progress 52 is scheduled to launch at 4:45 p.m. Saturday (2:45 a.m. Kazakh time Sunday, July 28) from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan. NASA TV coverage of launch begins at 4:30 p.m.

Progress 52's expedited four-orbit, six-hour trip to the station will result in rendezvous and docking at 10:26 p.m. NASA TV coverage of rendezvous and docking will begin at 9:45 p.m.

For NASA TV downlink, schedule and streaming video information, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

 For more about the International Space Station, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/station

-end-
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Danderman on 07/22/2013 10:31 pm
IF this is the Progress that will remove Pirs, here are some of the issues:

C/G: the Progress/Pirs stack must have the c/g within the Progress' range of control authority. However, unlike a standard visiting vehicle that is intended to dock with ISS, the required controlability for this stack are the requirements for stable flight from ISS and retrofire. In theory, even if the c/g requirements are not strictkly met, departure from ISS via springs would take the stack far enough away that an poorly controlled stack would not be a threat to ISS.

So, the real requirement is control during retrofire. The easiest way to maintain the c/g for Progress with a large object on its nose is to maintain as much prop as possible in the rear compartment, and instead use midsection prop whenever possible. Leaving ~880 kg of prop in the PAO would go far in maintenance of a +1 ton object on the nose of Progress.

Another approach would be a change in the arrangement of trash in the cargo compartment so that heavy objects could be stored in the extreme rear, but this is probably already being done.

In all cases, if trash is to be added to Pirs before separation, it is going to be light trash, not used batteries and the like, unless the Progress c/g modifications are more extensive than those above.

IF the modifications are required to be more extensive, they would be obvious in the photos - for example, addition or enlargement of thrusters would be one approach.

Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: woods170 on 07/23/2013 06:40 am
IF this is the Progress that will remove Pirs, here are some of the issues:


Not if. Progress 52 is scheduled to remove Pirs from ISS.

52P is the last planned vehicle for Pirs, per L2. The next vehicle coming up towards the Zvezda nadir port is MLM. Currently, Pirs is there, and it needs to go. Progress 52 will take Pirs with it.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/23/2013 11:08 am
The orbital module of the LV Soyuz-U with CV Progress M-20M transportation for the general integration with LV

At Baikonur launch site the preparations continue for the launch of Progress M-20M cargo vehicle under the International Space Station program.

Orbital module of the Soyuz-U launch vehicle, containing Progress M-20M spacecraft was transported from the spacecraft processing facility for the general integration with LV.

http://www.energia.ru/en/iss/iss36/progress_m-20m/photo_07-23.html
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/23/2013 12:28 pm
Launch phases and cyclogram for the Progress M-20M launch

http://www.mcc.rsa.ru/progress_m20m.htm
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Space Pete on 07/23/2013 12:41 pm
So, if 52P is definitely going to remove Pirs, that means it will have to remain on-orbit for at least 9.5 months (until next April). I thought Progresses had an orbital lifetime limit of around 6 months, due to corrosion of the propellant lines in the peroxide thruster system?

Unless of course Russia are going to remove Pirs prior to the MLM launch - which I think would be a seriously bad idea, given Proton's history of late.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Satori on 07/23/2013 01:42 pm
So, if 52P is definitely going to remove Pirs, that means it will have to remain on-orbit for at least 9.5 months (until next April). I thought Progresses had an orbital lifetime limit of around 6 months, due to corrosion of the propellant lines in the peroxide thruster system?

Unless of course Russia are going to remove Pirs prior to the MLM launch - which I think would be a seriously bad idea, given Proton's history of late.

According to http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=32006.msg1067644#msg1067644, Progress M-22M will be used to remove Pirs next April (or December 18, 2013).
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Danderman on 07/23/2013 01:44 pm
So, if 52P is definitely going to remove Pirs, that means it will have to remain on-orbit for at least 9.5 months (until next April). I thought Progresses had an orbital lifetime limit of around 6 months, due to corrosion of the propellant lines in the peroxide thruster system?



The peroxide thruster system is for the descent module, which Progress does not have.

Progress has a demonstrated orbital lifetime of at least 18 months.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Stan Black on 07/23/2013 03:29 pm
So, if 52P is definitely going to remove Pirs, that means it will have to remain on-orbit for at least 9.5 months (until next April). I thought Progresses had an orbital lifetime limit of around 6 months, due to corrosion of the propellant lines in the peroxide thruster system?



The peroxide thruster system is for the descent module, which Progress does not have.

Progress has a demonstrated orbital lifetime of at least 18 months.


So the question is, is the issue with the centre-of-gravity Progress specific? Have they swapped Progress vehicles? Or is it just propellant or other loading specifics?
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Danderman on 07/23/2013 03:43 pm
Center of gravity issues are general for all vehicles, ie it is  a characteristic of spacecraft that require propulsion, just like center of lift is an issue for aircraft.

Normally, you don't hear about it because spacecraft are not required to perform maneuvers with modified c/gs, but in this case, adding a 1 ton+ module to the nose of Progress would put the c/g forward of the thruster controlability zone.

As an example, when the crew loads trash into Progress, they make sure that the trash is loaded in a way that maintains vehicle c/g, with the heavier trash being loaded in the rear of the cargo compartment.  If the trash were loaded improperly, it is possible that Progress would have control problems when departing from ISS.

The Progress thruster system was designed to minimize prop use via a narrowly defined control zone. Other vehicles, like Dragon, may use more prop in their system, but have a "wider" control zone (required because Dragon may fly with an offset c/g in some mission).


Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: aga on 07/23/2013 04:12 pm
Unless of course Russia are going to remove Pirs prior to the MLM launch - which I think would be a seriously bad idea, given Proton's history of late.

correct me, if i am wrong... but i always thought that nauka will be launched on a 3-stage proton - without briz-m or block-dm (or so)
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: russianhalo117 on 07/23/2013 04:51 pm
Unless of course Russia are going to remove Pirs prior to the MLM launch - which I think would be a seriously bad idea, given Proton's history of late.

correct me, if i am wrong... but i always thought that nauka will be launched on a 3-stage proton - without briz-m or block-dm (or so)
Yes, it is using the 3-stage version without a US on top. I believe he is referring to the early starts off the launch pad this year and part of last year, which are off nominal, as well as the recent first stage failure since it was manufactured around the same time period as the failed 02 July 2013 Proton-M which was manufactured in 2011. Do correct me on the date of manufacture since I may be slightly off.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: russianhalo117 on 07/23/2013 05:19 pm
Are these still Progress M1 vehicles or has the model evolved on since then?

Progress M1 had some very advanced features, but was discontinued due to expense and lack of requirements for the extra prop that it could carry.

It is my present understanding that Progress MS is going to be modernized hybrid of three Progress versions, one of which has never flown (Progress M-M, Progress M1, and Progress M2 (fully developed but never flown because it would require Ukrainian Zenit-2 launcher)). Anatoly Zak explained Progress MS as having two different versions: one with standard prop module and one with extended prop module. Progress MS's other modules have been designed to be compatible with both prop modules so that two the different versions (Progress M and Progress M1) of previous generation can be consolidated down to one version Progress MS. Progress MS also will incorporate the features that were left out of the design for Progress M-M. There is more on this in a different thread.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 07/23/2013 06:48 pm
anik, I think it would be good to create a new thread and to put these (very interesting) informations into it.

If they stay here, the informations will be forgotten...  :(
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: woods170 on 07/24/2013 09:17 am
So, if 52P is definitely going to remove Pirs, that means it will have to remain on-orbit for at least 9.5 months (until next April). I thought Progresses had an orbital lifetime limit of around 6 months, due to corrosion of the propellant lines in the peroxide thruster system?

Unless of course Russia are going to remove Pirs prior to the MLM launch - which I think would be a seriously bad idea, given Proton's history of late.

According to http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=32006.msg1067644#msg1067644, Progress M-22M will be used to remove Pirs next April (or December 18, 2013).

Which means that not even Anik is sure of when Pirs will go. If it actually is December 18, 2013, and the vehicle is Progress M-22M, than the flight op 52P (Progress M-20M) will have to be cut short, or it will have to be relocated to a different docking port.

By the latest FPIP in L2 (July 1st version) Progress M22M (54P) is not scheduled to launch until early February 2014. Can the processing of Progress be advanced by 3 months to have M-22M do the Pirs disposal in december 2013? I don't think so.

IMO the scenario is like this:
- If Pirs is to go coming december than the disposal will be thru Progress M-20M (52P)
- If Pirs is to go april next year (per the delay we keep hearing for MLM), then disposal will probably be thru Progress M-22M (54P)

Assuming Anik is correct (Pirs to go in April 2014), then the FPIP on L2 is outdated.

And mind you, by the latest FPIP on L2, 54P is not set to dock to Pirs, but to MRM-2.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: woods170 on 07/24/2013 09:25 am
<snip>
Unless of course Russia are going to remove Pirs prior to the MLM launch - which I think would be a seriously bad idea, given Proton's history of late.

Removal of Pirs before the Proton launch will probably not happen, so it all comes down to getting a hard confirmation of the MLM launch delay.
Without that, a lot of RS flight events are in flux.
Looking at the latest ISS flight events calender from Anik, it seems that he is no longer sure MLM will actually be delayed. Flight events in 2014 now have indicators pointing to possible execution in late 2013.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/24/2013 11:23 am
LV Soyuz general integration is completed

Orbital module of the Soyuz-U launch vehicle, containing Progress M-20M spacecraft was integrated with the Soyuz-U launch vehicle in the processing facility.
 
http://www.energia.ru/en/iss/iss36/progress_m-20m/photo_07-24.html

Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 07/24/2013 04:27 pm
LV Soyuz general integration is completed

It happened in MIK-40, so I guess the launch will be from 17P32-6...
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 07/24/2013 04:33 pm
I thought Progresses had an orbital lifetime limit of around 6 months, due to corrosion of the propellant lines in the peroxide thruster system?

The peroxide system (СИОС) is used only on the Descent Compartment of Soyuz spaceship. Since there is no Descent Compartment on Progress, there is no peroxide system.

On Soyuz, the problem is not about corrosion. The problem is that H2O2, naturally, transforms itself into O2 and H2O. If the Soyuz stays in orbit for more than 6 months, estimations show that remaining quantity of H2O2 is not sufficient to ensure a safe reentry.

Note that on Soyuz's first version (11F615), the attitude control system of the whole spaceship use H2O2. Since Soyuz T (11F732), the attitude control system uses the same propellant tanks than main engine (SKD).
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Star One on 07/24/2013 05:50 pm
Are these still Progress M1 vehicles or has the model evolved on since then?

Progress M1 had some very advanced features, but was discontinued due to expense and lack of requirements for the extra prop that it could carry.


The whole M1 did seem a curious evolution as was there ever that strong a need for extra propellant carriage at the cost of dry cargo for ISS.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Danderman on 07/24/2013 09:34 pm
Are these still Progress M1 vehicles or has the model evolved on since then?

Progress M1 had some very advanced features, but was discontinued due to expense and lack of requirements for the extra prop that it could carry.


The whole M1 did seem a curious evolution as was there ever that strong a need for extra propellant carriage at the cost of dry cargo for ISS.

In the early days of ISS, ATV delivery of prop was not obviously going to happen.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/25/2013 06:57 am
LV Soyuz-U rollout to the launch pad
http://www.federalspace.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=20229 (on Russian)
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/25/2013 08:25 am
http://www.energia.ru/en/iss/iss36/progress_m-20m/photo_07-25.html
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/25/2013 04:56 pm
Roscosmos video of roll-out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQZeRii9Nzc
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: DenRur on 07/27/2013 03:24 pm
Live: http://www.tsenki.com/en/broadcast/
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 03:26 pm
Moved for live coverage.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: 360-180 on 07/27/2013 06:58 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: sdsds on 07/27/2013 07:15 pm
People on the pad still.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Prober on 07/27/2013 07:37 pm
Live: http://www.tsenki.com/en/broadcast/ (http://www.tsenki.com/en/broadcast/)

can someone tell me what gives?
This launch is not on the list.  Yet its on tsenki site
 
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Prober on 07/27/2013 07:41 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Prober on 07/27/2013 07:42 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: mheney on 07/27/2013 07:42 pm
I suspect that's a typo - the launch is a Progress-M, not a Glonass-M.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Prober on 07/27/2013 07:50 pm
I suspect that's a typo - the launch is a Progress-M, not a Glonass-M.


clearly says the 28th not the 27th.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: patchfree on 07/27/2013 07:55 pm
How many time before the launch?
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Mapperuo on 07/27/2013 07:56 pm
I suspect that's a typo - the launch is a Progress-M, not a Glonass-M.


clearly says the 28th not the 27th.

Launch is on the 28th in Baikonur time.  :)
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: sdsds on 07/27/2013 07:57 pm
I believe it is now three minutes until midnight in Moscow, and the launch is scheduled for 45 minutes after midnight, Moscow time.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Prober on 07/27/2013 07:59 pm
Looks like someone trashed the old flow player ....im getting good feed now.
 
a larger pic to enjoy
 
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 08:03 pm
Pete's overview!
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/07/progress-m-20m-fast-track-launch-spacesuit-repair-tools-iss/
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:04 pm
Service towers are lowering away from the vehicle.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Prober on 07/27/2013 08:06 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Lee Jay on 07/27/2013 08:08 pm
Pete's overview!
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/07/progress-m-20m-fast-track-launch-spacesuit-repair-tools-iss/ (http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/07/progress-m-20m-fast-track-launch-spacesuit-repair-tools-iss/)

Fantastic article, Pete!
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 08:15 pm
15 mins to NASA TV coverage.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Prober on 07/27/2013 08:18 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 08:27 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:30 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 08:30 pm
Sir Rob of Navias wishing us a good day! :)
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 08:30 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 08:31 pm
T-14 mins.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:35 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 08:38 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 08:39 pm
T-6 mins.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/27/2013 08:40 pm
Launch key inserted!
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:40 pm
LV gyros in flight mode.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 08:41 pm
Flight recorders activated.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:42 pm
T-3 minutes.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 08:43 pm
Pressurized for flight.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 08:43 pm
T-120 seconds.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:44 pm
Vehicle on internal power.

T-60 seconds.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 08:44 pm
T-60 seconds.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:44 pm
Umbilical retract.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:45 pm
Igntion.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:45 pm
Liftoff!
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/27/2013 08:45 pm
LAUNCH!!!
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:45 pm
Pitch and roll programs.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: sdsds on 07/27/2013 08:46 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:46 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 08:46 pm
LAUNCH!!
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:46 pm
T+60 seconds.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 08:46 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:46 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/27/2013 08:47 pm
Booster sep.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:47 pm
Strap-on separation.

49 km altitude.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 08:47 pm
Staging. 1-2 Sep.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:48 pm
Payload shroud separation.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:48 pm
165 km downrange.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/27/2013 08:49 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:49 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:50 pm
Stage 2-3 separation.

Stage 3 ignition.

Speed 4 km/sec.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/27/2013 08:50 pm
Second stage sep.
 
Third stage has ignited.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Prober on 07/27/2013 08:51 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:52 pm
Around 2 minutes until stage 3 shutdown.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 08:54 pm
And there we go. Progress into initial orbit!
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/27/2013 08:54 pm
Third stage cut-off and separation of the «Progress M-20M».

Progress in orbit!

My congratulations!!
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Nick L. on 07/27/2013 08:54 pm
Stage 3 shutdown.

Spacecraft separation!

Solar arrays and antennas deploying.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/27/2013 08:54 pm
Six hours to docking.

Pete's article, updated:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/07/progress-m-20m-fast-track-launch-spacesuit-repair-tools-iss/
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Prober on 07/27/2013 08:55 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/27/2013 08:56 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: SMS on 07/27/2013 08:58 pm
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/27/2013 09:07 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU4Uitie_GA
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: John44 on 07/27/2013 09:17 pm
Expedition 36 - Progress M-20M / 52 Launch
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8407
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Targeteer on 07/28/2013 01:41 am
Crew reports 15 km, 23.1 (closure rate?)
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Lee Jay on 07/28/2013 01:41 am
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Targeteer on 07/28/2013 01:42 am
lock on, range rate 20.3
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Targeteer on 07/28/2013 01:43 am
12 km, rate 18.5
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Targeteer on 07/28/2013 01:46 am
14.0 m/s range rate
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Prober on 07/28/2013 01:46 am
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Targeteer on 07/28/2013 01:48 am
7 km, 12 m/s
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Targeteer on 07/28/2013 01:49 am
station in view
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 01:50 am
Rob Navias talking about the EMU issue.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 01:51 am
Just over 30 minutes to docking.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 01:54 am
Heading over Australia. The home of bad cricket ;)
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Targeteer on 07/28/2013 01:56 am
Ku coverage but no video from Soyuz
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 01:56 am
Waiting for better image quality from Progress.

TORU is activated, should it be required.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 01:57 am
Soyuz waiting for its cousin.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Prober on 07/28/2013 02:00 am
Some great views
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:01 am
Tally Ho on Progress.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Targeteer on 07/28/2013 02:01 am
crew reporting very unstable video signal--they doubt it will be of any use.  There usually is a video view from Soyuz at this point.  Navias is pulling a PAO spin with his optimism  ;D
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:03 am
10 mins to Ku coming back.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Targeteer on 07/28/2013 02:07 am
No Ku but ISS is not in the Zone of Exclusion--the usual blackout zone--so perhaps blockage due to docking attitude.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: asmi on 07/28/2013 02:11 am
"What's the quality of TV?"
"We don't have any quality. We can't even see the crosshair" :D
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: asmi on 07/28/2013 02:11 am
OK, now TV seems to be working.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:11 am
Flyaround complete.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:11 am
Into stationkeeping.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: asmi on 07/28/2013 02:13 am
Ku is expected to be back shortly.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:13 am
There's Progress!
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Targeteer on 07/28/2013 02:14 am
live soyuz video--it is awful
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Prober on 07/28/2013 02:15 am
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:15 am
Sun shining on the vehicle, noted by the ISS crew.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:16 am
Final approach. 11 mins to docking.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Prober on 07/28/2013 02:16 am
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:16 am
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:17 am
TV image is dodgy, but they are ok.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:18 am
83 meters.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:19 am
TV was ok on orbit 2, but now cutting out, say the crew.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:19 am
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:20 am
Two crewmembers looking out of the windows to help with the approach.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:20 am
44 meters.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch with Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Prober on 07/28/2013 02:21 am
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:22 am
Great view.

32 meters.

0.16 meters per second closure.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:22 am
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Targeteer on 07/28/2013 02:22 am
awesome color shots on NASA TV--via the DISH
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:23 am
20 meters. TV improving.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:23 am
Crosshairs aligned.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:24 am
Bit shaky.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:25 am
Now TV's really gone bad.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:26 am
Contact and Capture!
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:26 am
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2013 02:31 am
Final rev of Pete's article:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/07/progress-m-20m-fast-track-launch-spacesuit-repair-tools-iss/

Thanks to all who helped with the coverage!
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: John44 on 07/28/2013 06:18 am
Expedition 36 - Progress M-20M / 52 Docking
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8408
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/28/2013 06:34 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkdISa55sOw
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/28/2013 06:35 am
http://www.federalspace.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=20234
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/28/2013 08:23 am
http://www.astronomy.ru/forum/index.php/topic,18118.msg2507997.html#msg2507997
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Rocket Science on 07/28/2013 10:16 am
Congrats and well done! Thanks NSF for the great coverage. :)
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 07/28/2013 01:32 pm
WOW!  :o  8)

http://www.astronomy.ru/forum/index.php/topic,3629.msg2507959.html#msg2507959
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: SMS on 07/28/2013 02:35 pm
According to Energia.ru: "ТГК доставил на МКС около 2,4 т грузов, среди них Олимпийский факел зимней Олимпиады Сочи-2014; 112 кг грузов для Американского сегмента станции и 136 кг американских грузов для российских космонавтов. "

And "TCV delivered to the station about 2,4 tons of cargo, including Olympic torch of Winter Olympic Games Sochi-2014; 112 kg of cargoes for US Segment of the station and 136 kg of US cargoes for Russian cosmonauts."

Is it true?, Is Tyurin had to take Olympic torch on board Soyuz TMA-11M?
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: jcm on 07/28/2013 11:59 pm
M-20M third stage rocket cataloged in 189 x 218 km orbit. Strangely, no TLEs for M-20M itself - you'd think that JSPOC had enough warning of this launch to be able to track it during the 5 hour ascent!
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: 360-180 on 07/29/2013 11:47 am
Quote from: jcm link=Strangely, no TLEs for M-20M itself [/quote
Each pulse changes TLE
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: DenRur on 07/29/2013 03:17 pm
According to Energia.ru: "ТГК доставил на МКС около 2,4 т грузов, среди них Олимпийский факел зимней Олимпиады Сочи-2014; 112 кг грузов для Американского сегмента станции и 136 кг американских грузов для российских космонавтов. "

Is it true?, Is Tyurin had to take Olympic torch on board Soyuz TMA-11M?

According to your link indicated that the Olympic torch has arrived(already) at the ISS on board Progress M-20M.

http://www.federalspace.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=20171

"В открытый космос с факелом выйдут российские космонавты Олег Котов и Сергей Рязанский...
Возврат факела «Сочи 2014» на Землю выполнит космонавт Федор Юрчихин, находящийся в настоящее время на МКС.
"
In an open space with a torch will go Russian cosmonauts Oleg Kotov and Sergey Ryazanskiy...
Return of the torch "Sochi 2014" on Earth will perform cosmonaut Fyodor Yurchikhin, who is currently on the ISS.
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: SMS on 07/29/2013 04:27 pm
Thanks, but the plan was different: " В начале ноября 2013 года один из главных символов Игр отправится на борт МКС на транспортном пилотируемом корабле (ТПК) «Союз ТМА-11М». Запуск ТПК будет выполнен с помощью ракеты-носителя «Союз», на которую нанесут символику Олимпийских игр 2014 года в Сочи."
so it's a back-up or a reserve Olympic torch?
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 07/29/2013 10:44 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANUmL_wS4RY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANUmL_wS4RY)
Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: jcm on 07/31/2013 12:01 am
Quote from: jcm
Strangely, no TLEs for M-20M itself
Each pulse changes TLE

The pulses are far enough apart. Previous fast ascents were TLE'd by
SpaceTrack just fine.
For M-18M there were three TLE sets released before docking -
179 x 229 km, 275 x 296 km and 401 x 417 km
And yet for M-20M there were none.


Title: Re: LIVE: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 08/06/2013 12:08 pm
http://roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=69&bid=505&blogger=
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 02/03/2014 11:07 am
Today will be the undocking  :) !

Progress M-20M undocking from the Pirs module at 16:21 UTC.

NASA TV broadcast begins at 16:00 UTC.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 02/03/2014 03:06 pm
Bump for undocking coverage.  ;)
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/03/2014 03:18 pm
Progress about to depart.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch and Progress M-20M Updates - July, 2013 - Feb, 2014
Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/03/2014 03:20 pm
ISS into free drift.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch and Progress M-20M Updates - July, 2013 - Feb, 2014
Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/03/2014 03:22 pm
Undocking confirmed.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch and Progress M-20M Updates - July, 2013 - Feb, 2014
Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/03/2014 03:24 pm
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch - and Docking - Progress M-20M - July 27, 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 02/03/2014 03:25 pm
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch and Progress M-20M Updates - July, 2013 - Feb, 2014
Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/03/2014 03:26 pm
15 second sep burn. Very noticeable.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch and Progress M-20M Updates - July, 2013 - Feb, 2014
Post by: d3jf on 02/03/2014 03:27 pm
There's the High resolution camera installed last week! Can be seen on the right.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch and Progress M-20M Updates - July, 2013 - Feb, 2014
Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/03/2014 03:28 pm
Bidding farewell to one of its cousins.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch and Progress M-20M Updates - July, 2013 - Feb, 2014
Post by: Artyom. on 02/03/2014 03:28 pm
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch and Progress M-20M Updates - July, 2013 - Feb, 2014
Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/03/2014 03:28 pm
Now look at the distance....
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch and Progress M-20M Updates - July, 2013 - Feb, 2014
Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/03/2014 03:29 pm
And that's the ISS out of view.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch and Progress M-20M Updates - July, 2013 - Feb, 2014
Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/03/2014 03:30 pm
And the ISS configuration now looks like this:
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch and Progress M-20M Updates - July, 2013 - Feb, 2014
Post by: John44 on 02/03/2014 03:48 pm
 Expedition 38 - Progress M-20M / 52 Undocking - February 3
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8708
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch and Progress M-20M Updates - July, 2013 - Feb, 2014
Post by: Fuji on 02/04/2014 12:36 am
Progress M-20M space vehicle leaves ISS to be used in experiments
http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=478035
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Progress M-20M will participate in the space experiment Izgib on February 8 to 10, and it will test a new solar orientation regime with an axis spin-up. Similar experiments were performed with the use of Progress M-14M, Progress M-15M and Progress M-17M.

The vehicle will switch the engine over to a slower mode at 6:59 p.m. on February 11 and enter the atmosphere 30 minutes after. The wreckage is to fall into the Pacific Ocean at about 7:48 p.m.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch and Progress M-20M Updates - July, 2013 - Feb, 2014
Post by: Artyom. on 02/04/2014 02:45 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZYKsNs8KvY
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch and Progress M-20M Updates - July, 2013 - Feb, 2014
Post by: Artyom. on 02/06/2014 03:43 am
ISS038-E-041175 (3 Feb. 2014) --- This close-up view shows the docking mechanism of the unpiloted Russian ISS Progress 52 resupply ship as it undocks from the International Space Station's Pirs Docking Compartment at 11:21 a.m. (EST) on Feb. 3, 2014. The Progress backed away to a safe distance from the orbital complex to begin several days of tests to study thermal effects of space on its attitude control system. Filled with trash and other unneeded items, the Russian resupply ship will be commanded to re-enter Earth's atmosphere Feb. 11 and disintegrate harmlessly over the Pacific Ocean.
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch and Progress M-20M Updates - July, 2013 - Feb, 2014
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 02/06/2014 11:40 pm
There is a smiley on the docking system !  ;D
Title: Re: Soyuz-U launch and Progress M-20M Updates - July, 2013 - Feb, 2014
Post by: Artyom. on 02/11/2014 03:01 pm
Re-entry occurred a few minutes ago, with unburnt pieces reaching the surface of the Pacific at around 15:54 UTC
http://ria.ru/space/20140211/994358238.html (In Russian)