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Title: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Orbiter on 09/30/2012 05:53 PM
Will SLS ever be known by a name other than 'SLS'?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Ben the Space Brit on 09/30/2012 06:01 PM
Possibly, although not 'officially'.  IIRC, the Space Shuttle was always officially the STS - Space Transport System.  Everyone (and I mean everyone) called it 'The Shuttle' anyway.

I imagine that space fanboys and girls will find an alternate name for SLS, which will be commonly used enough to be considered the name of the vehicle to most people including just about the entire media corps.  However, that won't change the official NASA designation of the type.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Jim on 09/30/2012 06:02 PM
As the title states, I'm wondering if SLS will ever be known by another name or given a more 'patriotic' name. True though STS program was never named,

Yes, it was.  It was called the National Space Transportation System.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Orbiter on 09/30/2012 06:07 PM
As the title states, I'm wondering if SLS will ever be known by another name or given a more 'patriotic' name. True though STS program was never named,

Yes, it was.  It was called the National Space Transportation System.

You're right, let me rephrase it this way.

It was never named 'officially' named anything else beyond the National Space Transportation System, or STS, though it was always called the Space Shuttle, a term that every single person used.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Jim on 09/30/2012 06:26 PM
As the title states, I'm wondering if SLS will ever be known by another name or given a more 'patriotic' name. True though STS program was never named,

Yes, it was.  It was called the National Space Transportation System.

You're right, let me rephrase it this way.

It was never named 'officially' named anything else beyond the National Space Transportation System, or STS, though it was always called the Space Shuttle, a term that every single person used.

No, it also was officially the Space Shuttle and Space Shuttle Program
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: kch on 09/30/2012 06:28 PM

It was never named 'officially' named anything else beyond the National Space Transportation System, or STS, though it was always called the Space Shuttle, a term that every single person used.

Indeed -- and many married ones as well ... ;)

As to an alternate name for SLS, how about "Ralph"?

Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Rocket Science on 09/30/2012 06:49 PM

It was never named 'officially' named anything else beyond the National Space Transportation System, or STS, though it was always called the Space Shuttle, a term that every single person used.

Indeed -- and many married ones as well ... ;)

As to an alternate name for SLS, how about "Ralph"?


Good one!  "POW! Straight to the moon!" :D
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: JohnF on 09/30/2012 07:46 PM
Jupiter would be fine, next Saturn, as in V
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: TomH on 09/30/2012 08:20 PM
There already was a long thread on this subject with 487 posts to date:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=25573.0

My choice: Phoenix, as it will rise from the ashes of Saturn, STS, and Ares all. The only other rocket with this name is a retired air launched missile. I think it best to wait until the thing is ready to fly before giving it that name, however, because if it were named then cancelled it would be ridiculed for having not lived up to its name, having not risen from the ashes of the other vehicles.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Orbiter on 09/30/2012 08:28 PM
There already was a long thread on this subject with 487 posts to date:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=25573.0

My choice: Phoenix, as it will rise from the ashes of Saturn, STS, and Ares all. The only other rocket with this name is a retired air launched missile. I think it best to wait until the thing is ready to fly before giving it that name, however, because if it were named then cancelled it would be ridiculed for having not lived up to its name, having not risen from the ashes of the other vehicles.

I couldn't really find it with the search engine even though I knew it existed, but I wanted to ask if it is appropriate to name SLS and what name would you give it.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: IRobot on 09/30/2012 08:59 PM
My acronym: BWOMEWUHF9AFH
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Quindar Beep on 09/30/2012 11:37 PM
Well, von Braun's Jupiter-C led to the Saturn V, so obviously Uranus is next. There is no possible downside to this name  :P

(The US has a Titan and an Atlas, so continuing that theme...unfortunately the names of most of the remaining Titans have a strange sound or look to English speakers. Hyperion or Pallas seem to be the best choices so long as one doesn't mind the associations with moon and the asteroid respectively.)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Lobo on 10/01/2012 03:51 AM
Well, I'd like to see it given an actual name.  But NASA seems to have stuck with SLS, while they gave CxP an actual rocket name in "Ares".

So my guess if they haven't coined a name by now, they probably won't. 

Although, after the next election, once we know what the administration will be for the next 4 years, and assuming no changes/cancellations to SLS, then I could see NASA opening up some write in campaign to give it an actual name, like they did with the Mars rovers.
Maybe they want to maybe sure things shake out and stay politically lined up behind SLS as the PoR for NASA, and it's designes and block upgrades are finalized before they give the rocket a name.  In a way, as long as it's "SLS", it could change from it's current concept to something else.  Something more like Direct, something more like AJAX, or something else, but it could still retain the tag of "SLS" because a "Space Launch System" can be any LV system.  Could even be multiple EELV launches.
But once you give the LV a name like "Ares", then if it's really changed, it's not "Ares", as "Ares" is cancelled, and replaced with something else.
"SLS" is a bit of a vague catch-all that is roughly just a HLV that is somewhat shuttle derived.  It allows for some possible future modification I think without having to loose the tag "SLS".
That way, even if the LV changes, "SLS" won't be cancelled too.

 
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: kch on 10/01/2012 04:20 AM
Well, von Braun's Jupiter-C led to the Saturn V, so obviously Uranus is next. There is no possible downside to this name  :P


"My *what*?"  No, there's no downside, but there might be a backside ... ;)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Orbiter on 10/01/2012 04:37 AM
Lobo, NASA didn't call VSE 'Constellation' Program or the Ares until 2 years after it was announced.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MATTBLAK on 10/01/2012 05:40 AM
Ares would have been a good name for the booster - but that wont fly politically: anything from the 'Bush Era' wont get a look in. Jupiter probably wont be used because of the 'Blood in the water'. But maybe the Greek equivalent, 'Zeus'?

I could go for 'Nova', 'Neptune', 'Odin', 'Vulcan' or 'Hercules'. But until it really looks like its actually going to fly, NASA probably wont jinx it.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: QuantumG on 10/01/2012 05:51 AM
'Pancetta', 'Collops', 'Trotter', 'Gammon'.. so many great names to choose from.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MATTBLAK on 10/01/2012 06:18 AM
'Pancetta', 'Collops', 'Trotter', 'Gammon'.. so many great names to choose from.


 ::)  ::)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Gemini XIII on 10/01/2012 06:31 AM
What about "Mars" rocket? ;)

Other good (in my opinion) names are: "Cyclops", "Colossus", "Kraken"...
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Ben the Space Brit on 10/01/2012 12:26 PM
I've always liked 'Hercules' as the name of a heavy-lifter for the obvious reasons: All brawn, little or no subtlety but not really needing it to get the job done.

Yeah, Herc is a nasty bit of work, according to the myths but so were all the Grecio-Roman heroes, gods, titans and so on.

'Prometheus' is reserved for the first NEP/NTP spacecraft, IMHO at least.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Alpha_Centauri on 10/01/2012 12:51 PM
Well Ares established a trend for naming based on the ultimate destination.

So how about "Utopia"?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Lobo on 10/01/2012 04:16 PM
Lobo, NASA didn't call VSE 'Constellation' Program or the Ares until 2 years after it was announced.

Fair point.  CaLV and CLV weren't named Ares 1 and V right away, but I think they had names by the time they were as far along in development as SLS is, weren't they?   And we pretty much knew they wouldn't be known as CaLV, CLV, LSAM, and CEV  forever.  Those were fairly obviously placeholder titles.  Weren't there inklings that NASA would give them names prior to the official annuncement?  Are there those same inklings floating around NSF now?  I haven't heard anything.  You think there'd be some scuttlebutt about it by now.  We are two years after NAA2010, where SLS was announced, afterall.

I'd like to see it get a name, I just get the impression that SLS is and will be the name. 

Myself, if it -does- get a name, I like "Nova" or "Hercules".
Nova has old NASA heritage for a larger-than-Saturn class rocket, which is what SLS is mandated to evolve in to (even though it might never actually do that). 
It's simple, and has heritage.
Hercules is a good name for a simple heavy lifter, like a C-130.  And conjures images of it being large and pwoerful, which it will be.  It's common enough that the public will recognize it.

"Uranus" obviously has it's sound-similarity issues, and Neptune just sort of conjures up images of water (even among the general public.  Anyone who recognizes the name will think water).  Not quite the association you are looking for in a space rocket.  Seems like a good name for a class of submarine or something.

Jupiter works fine, but probably won't be picked for reasons discussed previously.  Mercury, Venus, MArs, and Pluto just don't conjure up imagines of a big, powerful, heavy lifter.  So if not Jupiter, probably better to abandon the Roman/Planet motif.   There are better names to choose from.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: clongton on 10/01/2012 04:53 PM
Jupiter :)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: spectre9 on 10/01/2012 05:28 PM
Delta V?  :D
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: M_Puckett on 10/01/2012 05:45 PM
'Pancetta', 'Collops', 'Trotter', 'Gammon'.. so many great names to choose from.


 ::)  ::)

Trotter?  How about Strider?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MP99 on 10/01/2012 07:10 PM
'Prometheus' is reserved for the first NEP/NTP spacecraft, IMHO at least.

Or the first torchship.

cheers, Martin
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: FinalFrontier on 10/01/2012 07:12 PM
Name it D.C. Pork since that's what it is.

Jupiter :)

If it had liquid or 4 segment boosters...... ::)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: A_M_Swallow on 10/01/2012 08:31 PM
If Norse gods can be used try 'Odin'. 

Odin ruled Asgard and was a traveller.  That sounds appropriate for the biggest LV in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: hkultala on 10/02/2012 05:35 AM
If Norse gods can be used try 'Odin'. 

Odin ruled Asgard and was a traveller.  That sounds appropriate for the biggest LV in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin)

But will SLS become the worlds biggest LV?

It will propably be the biggest operational LV(but not biggest ever built) for couple of years, but china's Long March 9 might then be both earlier and bigger than SLS block II, becoming the biggest ever-built.

Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 10/02/2012 07:28 AM
I like Jupiter. It conveys the spirit and awesomeness of the Saturn launch vehicles.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Lobo on 10/02/2012 05:02 PM
If Norse gods can be used try 'Odin'. 

Odin ruled Asgard and was a traveller.  That sounds appropriate for the biggest LV in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin)

But will SLS become the worlds biggest LV?

It will propably be the biggest operational LV(but not biggest ever built) for couple of years, but china's Long March 9 might then be both earlier and bigger than SLS block II, becoming the biggest ever-built.


Block 1 will be by far the largest and most powerful LV in the world in 2017, but certainly not the biggest every built.  The Long March 5, which can only put a max of 25mt to LEO isn’t due to launch until 2014.  So they’d need to move things along pretty fast to get the Long March 9 just a few years after SLS Block 1.

Down the road a ways, yea, Long March 9, if every built and flow, could be larger than Block 1 or Block 1B. Not sure if it would be larger than Block 2 though, if Block 2 is ever built. 
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: clongton on 10/02/2012 11:20 PM
I like Jupiter. It conveys the spirit and awesomeness of the Saturn launch vehicles.

2 thumbs up
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: RanulfC on 10/03/2012 01:36 PM
I like Jupiter. It conveys the spirit and awesomeness of the Saturn launch vehicles.

2 thumbs up
I like Jupiter also, though I'd have to mention we already DID the Jupiter:
Jupiter-C
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter-C

Jupiter MRBM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PGM-19_Jupiter

and of course the Jupiter-2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_in_Space

Other than that I love the idea :)

Randy
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Pastor Bill on 10/03/2012 01:49 PM
How about the Kayleigh... after my daughter  :)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: luksol on 10/03/2012 01:55 PM
As it will launch Orion, how about Poseidon, supposed father of Orion from greek mythology?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Jim on 10/03/2012 02:17 PM
As it will launch Orion, how about Poseidon, supposed father of Orion from greek mythology?

Already been used
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: aquanaut99 on 10/03/2012 02:34 PM

Block 1 will be by far the largest and most powerful LV in the world in 2017, but certainly not the biggest every built.  The Long March 5, which can only put a max of 25mt to LEO isn’t due to launch until 2014.  So they’d need to move things along pretty fast to get the Long March 9 just a few years after SLS Block 1.

Down the road a ways, yea, Long March 9, if every built and flow, could be larger than Block 1 or Block 1B. Not sure if it would be larger than Block 2 though, if Block 2 is ever built. 


AIUI, the Long March 9 is supposed to be able to launch 130 mT into LEO, same as the SLS Block II. Of course, both are only paper rockets right now. In fact, the LM-9 is even more of a paper rocket than SLS Block II (which at least builds up on SLS block I) because it would require an entirely new 9m core as well as new engines that haven't even been designed yet...

As for the name: I would propose we keep calling it SLS until the beast actually flies, then quietly rename it "Ares". By that time, any association with CxP will be forgotten (both the public and politicians have a short attention span).
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: luksol on 10/03/2012 02:37 PM
As it will launch Orion, how about Poseidon, supposed father of Orion from greek mythology?

Already been used

Military missile? Does this disqualify this name? I don't know much about NASA naming policy, maybe someone could explain it?
If not Poseidon, then maybe Neptune? Roman equivalent to greek Poseidon and somehow in line with previous names like Jupiter and Saturn.
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Post by: Joel on 10/03/2012 08:31 PM
What about "the Prometheus"

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/06/05/prometheus_icarus_ii_narcissus_what_not_to_name_your_spaceship.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/06/05/prometheus_icarus_ii_narcissus_what_not_to_name_your_spaceship.html)
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Post by: Zed_Noir on 10/03/2012 10:46 PM
What about "the Prometheus"

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/06/05/prometheus_icarus_ii_narcissus_what_not_to_name_your_spaceship.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/06/05/prometheus_icarus_ii_narcissus_what_not_to_name_your_spaceship.html)

It's been discuss up thread.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: M129K on 10/24/2013 09:26 PM
I'm surprised noone suggested Artemis... You know, the little sister of Ares and Apollo?
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Post by: rcoppola on 10/24/2013 09:37 PM
I suspect as the pieces start to come together, NASA will use this opportunity to PR the rocket (and the Agency) by opening it up as they did with Curiosity to students or the general public to come up with a name.

You know, on-line voting, chances to win a launch viewing, tours etc...

I think that's the fun and smart play.
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Post by: M129K on 10/24/2013 09:50 PM
That would work... As long as they keep a good eye out for it. Before you know someone highjacks it and it'll end up named "Charles Z did nothing wrong."
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Post by: mike robel on 10/24/2013 09:56 PM
I like Neptune.  It was used by Arthur C. Clarke in 2011 as "The last of the Saturn's and Neptune's stood as monuments to the early space program." or something close to that.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: 93143 on 10/24/2013 10:34 PM
Jupiter :)
If it had liquid or 4 segment boosters...... ::)

DIRECT analyzed "Stretched Heavy" configurations (longer core + 5-seg) and actually had "Heavy" variants (5-seg) on their website.  It's still there if you don't believe me... (http://directlauncher.org/media.htm)

Liquids, on the other hand, were never considered, because it was believed that they were a political non-starter.  The liquid-booster Jupiter was called AJAX.

Which to me is a toilet cleaning powder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_%28cleaning_product%29)...

Okay, technically AJAX was specifically the version with Atlas boosters.  The Delta version was called Neptune.
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Post by: savuporo on 10/25/2013 06:58 AM
Erymanthian is a good name.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MP99 on 10/25/2013 09:52 AM
DIRECT analyzed "Stretched Heavy" configurations (longer core + 5-seg) and actually had "Heavy" variants (5-seg) on their website.  It's still there if you don't believe me... (http://directlauncher.org/media.htm)

Heavy, but not stretch-heavy on there, I think.

Cheers, Martin
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: 93143 on 10/25/2013 11:25 AM
If you parse the sentence carefully, you will note that I never said the website had any SH variants.  I simply happen to know that they existed.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: newpylong on 10/25/2013 04:36 PM
I am partial to the Ares name, but realize the undertones of using it. I would vote for "Ares", no I, no IV, no V. Just Ares.

Second choice would be Jupiter as a nod to DIRECT, or Phoenix.

I think the Senate Authorization Act of 2013 actually directs NASA to run a competition for naming it. That might get messy lol.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Lobo on 10/25/2013 05:31 PM
Which to me is a toilet cleaning powder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_%28cleaning_product%29)...

Okay, technically AJAX was specifically the version with Atlas boosters.  The Delta version was called Neptune.

Well, there will be people who think that's all AJAX is.  But in this context it was in reference to both the Greek hero Ajax, and an acronym for "Advanced Jupiter-Atlas eXperiment".

:-)

But an LV actually named that would probably get a lot of air-head reporters going, "Why did you name NASA's new rocket after a floor cleaner??"

heheheheh
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MP99 on 10/25/2013 05:32 PM
If you parse the sentence carefully, you will note that I never said the website had any SH variants.  I simply happen to know that they existed.

Indeed. Oops, and apologies.

Cheers, Martin
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: woods170 on 10/25/2013 06:01 PM
I think the Senate Authorization Act of 2013 actually directs NASA to run a competition for naming it. That might get messy lol.
Nobody tell 4Chan about it!  ;D

Jupiter :)
If it had liquid or 4 segment boosters...... ::)
Liquids, on the other hand, were never considered, because it was believed that they were a political non-starter.  The liquid-booster Jupiter was called AJAX.

Which to me is a toilet cleaning powder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_%28cleaning_product%29)...

Okay, technically AJAX was specifically the version with Atlas boosters.  The Delta version was called Neptune.
There was a Delta version? Never heard about it, do you have any information about it?

Also, it's not just a toilet cleaning powder, it's also the Dutch enemy of the state (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFC_Ajax).

Officially gone off-topic. Shame that the sheriff ain't around these days.
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Post by: M129K on 10/25/2013 06:09 PM
Sorry about that, I'll remove my post.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: llanitedave on 10/26/2013 06:21 AM
Why limit it to ancient mythology?  Why not a more modern mythological strong-man?  Call it "Arnold".  Or "Andre".

Or, if something literary and remote is needed, we can do "Varda", Tolkein's queen of the stars in his mythology.  At least that gives it a female flavor, takes away the stain of overly-masculine associations with spaceflight.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Khadgars on 11/21/2013 11:07 PM
I vote for Pliny the Younger for SLS Block I and Pliny the Elder for Block IB or II  ;D
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Post by: USFdon on 11/21/2013 11:25 PM
I vote for Pliny the Younger for SLS Block I and Pliny the Elder for Block IB or II  ;D

Damn fine beer
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Khadgars on 11/22/2013 01:34 AM
I vote for Pliny the Younger for SLS Block I and Pliny the Elder for Block IB or II  ;D

Damn fine beer

Indeed, though the individuals were far more interesting.  That actually gets me thinking, what are peoples thoughts on Pompeii?  :o
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: TomH on 11/22/2013 02:32 AM
Pompeii slowly got buried in ash. Herculaneum was mowed down in pyroclastic flow. Rather than the effect, I'd take the cause: Vesuvius.
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Post by: darkbluenine on 11/22/2013 03:02 AM
Erymanthian is a good name.

Someone is too clever by half in their porcine humor.

Good one.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Thorny on 11/22/2013 03:52 AM
Not that anyone asked, but I'd vote for naming SLS "Armstrong". I mean why name it for a mythical hero when we can name it for a real one?
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Post by: Orbiter on 11/22/2013 03:57 AM
I doubt Neil Armstrong would have been particularly keen on that idea.
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Post by: Khadgars on 11/22/2013 05:20 AM
Pompeii slowly got buried in ash. Herculaneum was mowed down in pyroclastic flow. Rather than the effect, I'd take the cause: Vesuvius.

I like that.  However Pompeii the man was for all intensive purposes the last General of the Republic. Fitting in some ways  ;)
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Post by: Halidon on 11/22/2013 05:29 AM
Pompeii slowly got buried in ash. Herculaneum was mowed down in pyroclastic flow. Rather than the effect, I'd take the cause: Vesuvius.

I like that.  However Pompeii the man was for all intensive purposes the last General of the Republic. Fitting in some ways  ;)
Ehhh, he was not much less dictatorially-minded than Caesar. His power base was from the senate rather than the plebes, so he was compelled to keep them in power where Caesar wasn't. Anyway, sorry for the OT.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Lobo on 11/22/2013 03:57 PM
Not that anyone asked, but I'd vote for naming SLS "Armstrong". I mean why name it for a mythical hero when we can name it for a real one?

Agreed.  I also agree he probably wouldn't have been fond of it.  But I suppose many deceased US heros like Washington and Lincoln would probably not be keen with the ways their names are used post mortem.  Regardless of intent.

Still, I do like the idea of an American rocket be named after an American Hero. 

However, all of that said...I think there's probably a 0% chance SLS will ever be known as anything else.

Maybe would you could see, if the flight rate really is as anemic as they are predicting, each rocket could get it's own name, and there's be school kid programs to have naming competitions for the particular SLS LV that's going to be launched.  Like was done with the Mars rovers.

Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: llanitedave on 11/22/2013 05:16 PM
Not that anyone asked, but I'd vote for naming SLS "Armstrong". I mean why name it for a mythical hero when we can name it for a real one?

I think someone did ask -- that's the whole point of this thread.

Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: llanitedave on 11/22/2013 05:19 PM
I doubt Neil Armstrong would have been particularly keen on that idea.

If I recall correctly, it was commercial crew that Armstrong opposed. I think he would have been happy with SLS.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: CNYMike on 11/23/2013 03:53 PM
I just thought of "Goliath."
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: spectre9 on 11/25/2013 10:25 PM
I'm happy for a competition as long as there's a Colbert clause.

That was cringeworthy and I think Colbert knows it.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: TaurusLittrow on 11/29/2013 05:10 PM
"Hercules" works for me (to the extent it matters) despite previous usage. Keeping with the Hellenic/Roman lineage, I'm also OK with "Talos." Yea, there's the Star Trek TOS tie-in, but for those experts in Greek mythology (or fans of Jason and the Argonauts, the movie) will recall, "Talos" was a giant forged from bronze by Hephaestus, and gifted by Zeus.

Just stay away from "Eros," "Dionysus," or "Chaos."
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Halidon on 11/29/2013 10:09 PM
What about Bubo? (http://wasistdas.co.uk/Owlsploitation/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/bubo2.jpg)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: kch on 11/29/2013 10:31 PM
I vote for Pliny the Younger for SLS Block I and Pliny the Elder for Block IB or II  ;D

Damn fine beer

Indeed, though the individuals were far more interesting.  That actually gets me thinking, what are peoples thoughts on Pompeii?  :o

Good episode!  Capaldi did well in it -- I think he'll make a good Doctor ...  8)
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Post by: savuporo on 11/29/2013 10:42 PM
Erymanthian is a good name.

Someone is too clever by half in their porcine humor.

Can i claim the trophy of the obscurity contest now ?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Avron on 11/29/2013 10:43 PM
I just thought of "Goliath."

I am thinking it will be know in history as " pork"..  then I may be very surprised.. time will tell..  will give you 50 to one
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Rocket Science on 11/29/2013 10:48 PM
"Hercules" works for me (to the extent it matters) despite previous usage. Keeping with the Hellenic/Roman lineage, I'm also OK with "Talos." Yea, there's the Star Trek TOS tie-in, but for those experts in Greek mythology (or fans of Jason and the Argonauts, the movie) will recall, "Talos" was a giant forged from bronze by Hephaestus, and gifted by Zeus.

Just stay away from "Eros," "Dionysus," or "Chaos."
Great first post, you picked “Hercules” my suggestion from a while back... ;D Welcome to the forum! :)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Zed_Noir on 11/30/2013 09:34 AM
"Hercules" works for me (to the extent it matters) despite previous usage. Keeping with the Hellenic/Roman lineage, I'm also OK with "Talos." Yea, there's the Star Trek TOS tie-in, but for those experts in Greek mythology (or fans of Jason and the Argonauts, the movie) will recall, "Talos" was a giant forged from bronze by Hephaestus, and gifted by Zeus.

Talos was the name of the US Navy's RIM-8 shipboard air intercept missile deployed in the 60s & 70s.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Falcon H on 01/10/2014 01:50 PM
I would love to see the SLS renamed Vulcan.
Vulcan was the roman god of metalworking, very appropriate for a rocket.

It sure makes a lot more sense than Aries. why would you name something with that much explosive fuel after a god of war? Not a good message ::).
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Post by: joncz on 01/10/2014 02:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrqW_BZu5Xk
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Post by: AS-503 on 01/10/2014 02:56 PM
I would love to see the SLS renamed Vulcan.
Vulcan was the roman god of metalworking, very appropriate for a rocket.

It sure makes a lot more sense than Aries. why would you name something with that much explosive fuel after a god of war? Not a good message ::).

With respect to Ares (not Aries), you do realize the connection to Mars and the former Constellation Program, right?
Also, Vulcain (yes, spelled Vulcain) is the engine for the European Ariane LV. So, not that original.

While not very poetic, Flying Pig seems appropriate given the congressional level of "pork" involved ;)
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Post by: llanitedave on 01/10/2014 03:27 PM

While not very poetic, Flying Pig seems appropriate given the congressional level of "pork" involved ;)

I'd be happy with that, as long as the "flying" part is actually true.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Jim on 01/10/2014 04:49 PM
I would love to see the SLS renamed Vulcan.
Vulcan was the roman god of metalworking, very appropriate for a rocket.


Already been used

http://www.k26.com/buran/Info/Hercules/vulkan.html
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: M129K on 01/10/2014 05:08 PM
I would love to see the SLS renamed Vulcan.
Vulcan was the roman god of metalworking, very appropriate for a rocket.


Already been used

http://www.k26.com/buran/Info/Hercules/vulkan.html
It was never built, no reason a new rocket can't have the same name.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Jim on 01/10/2014 05:19 PM
I would love to see the SLS renamed Vulcan.
Vulcan was the roman god of metalworking, very appropriate for a rocket.


Already been used

http://www.k26.com/buran/Info/Hercules/vulkan.html
It was never built, no reason a new rocket can't have the same name.

There are many reasons, among them not to be associated with a canceled project.
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Post by: mheney on 01/10/2014 05:31 PM
I would love to see the SLS renamed Vulcan.
Vulcan was the roman god of metalworking, very appropriate for a rocket.


Already been used

http://www.k26.com/buran/Info/Hercules/vulkan.html
It was never built, no reason a new rocket can't have the same name.

There are many reasons, among them not to be associated with a canceled project.

I dunno - there was an earlier "Project Orion" using nukes to get to orbit; which is now being used as the name for a crew capsule ...
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: newpylong on 01/12/2014 02:58 PM
I still like Ares, though realize the connection to CxP probably won't help. Ares IV perhaps? ha
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: JohnnyNonsense on 01/14/2014 11:27 AM
Maybe the giant metal creation named TALOS
Or, how about SILAS
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: bob the martian on 01/14/2014 03:36 PM
Achilles!

No, wait...

Leonidas!

No, no good either...

Perseus?  Theseus? 

Phaethon?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: bad_astra on 01/14/2014 03:38 PM
It will take twenty years until it has a path forward till its destination, and will wander aimlessly from one problem to another until then. Sometimes it seems like the gods themselves are set against it.

call it The Odysseus.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: rcoppola on 01/17/2014 08:05 PM
Oh who is NASA kidding.

It's still Ares. Just like it's still Orion. At least they were intellectually honest enough to start calling it Orion MPCV as opposed to just MPCV.

Now they should do the same for the launcher. Just call it Ares SLS.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: TomH on 01/17/2014 09:25 PM
Oh who is NASA kidding.

It's still Ares. Just like it's still Orion. At least they were intellectually honest enough to start calling it Orion MPCV as opposed to just MPCV.

Now they should do the same for the launcher. Just call it Ares SLS.

Jimmy Carter canceled B-1 in favor of B-2. Reagan resurected B-1 while B-2 was being built, retrocatively naming the 4 already built as B-1A and designating the new ones B-1B.  As was asked though, with the current program going so well, why would you want to associate it with all the problems of the previous program?
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Post by: Bob Shaw on 01/17/2014 09:36 PM
The only name it's ever likely to get is 'cancelled'.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Barrie on 01/17/2014 09:48 PM
Aduantog.

All Dressed Up And Nowhere TO Go
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: rcoppola on 01/17/2014 10:46 PM
Oh who is NASA kidding.

It's still Ares. Just like it's still Orion. At least they were intellectually honest enough to start calling it Orion MPCV as opposed to just MPCV.

Now they should do the same for the launcher. Just call it Ares SLS.

Jimmy Carter canceled B-1 in favor of B-2. Reagan resurected B-1 while B-2 was being built, retrocatively naming the 4 already built as B-1A and designating the new ones B-1B.  As was asked though, with the current program going so well, why would you want to associate it with all the problems of the previous program?
I don't equate "B#" designees with actual names that represent things like greek gods, planets, animals etc. Was Orion not part of the Constellation program?  I don't believe in guilt by association. I think it would be a sign of resilience, strength and perseverance to name it Ares. I think you face past failures and difficulties, overcome them, then proudly and resolutely announce that your back and better then ever. So yes, I'd like to call it Ares in recognition of present and future success, not past failure and as a sign of fortitude not cowardice.

But then again, I just want a name, any name at this point, not another of NASA's meaningless acronyms...
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: SF Doug on 01/17/2014 11:54 PM
Combine the best ideas from

EELV - Evolved Expendable Launch Vehicles and

SDLV - Shuttle-Derived Launch Vehicle

to get

EDSELV - Evolved and Derived from Shuttle Expendable Launch Vehicle

Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: edkyle99 on 01/18/2014 01:04 AM
In my view, this rocket already has a name - SLS - but if another moniker is required I hope that it breaks from the Greek/Roman god tradition.  NASA is not an Agency funded by Greece or Rome!  Isn't it time for a more modern name?

Elon picked a good name when he chose "Falcon".  The Peregrine Falcon, for example, is the world's fastest bird.  SLS will be just as fast, or faster than Elon's Falcon (orbital mechanics being orbital mechanics), so "Peregrine" or "Condor" or "Eagle" or "Hawk" are all names associated with fast birds.  "Skyhawk" was an aircraft built by Douglas, a Boeing predecessor company.  Maybe a similar name could be conjured like "Starhawk" or "Spacehawk".   Eagle, of course, is a terrific iconic name already associated with space exploration and serving as a U.S. symbol.

Some have suggested "Armstrong" after Neil, but why couldn't it be after Louis, who was from New Orleans where SLS will be built?  Or, if the name is meant to evoke the bigness of the rocket, why not after Paul Bunyan or Babe Ruth or King Kong - iconic representations of big in U.S. history?  Or name it after famous U.S. aviators, like Doolittle or Lindbergh or Yeager or Crossfield?

But SLS is fine with me. 

 - Ed Kyle
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Oli on 01/18/2014 01:58 AM
Quote from: edkyle99
King Kong - iconic representations of big in U.S. history

 ;D
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: JAFO on 01/18/2014 02:04 AM

Jimmy Carter canceled B-1 in favor of B-2. Reagan resurected B-1 while B-2 was being built, retrocatively naming the 4 already built as B-1A and designating the new ones B-1B.  As was asked though, with the current program going so well, why would you want to associate it with all the problems of the previous program?

Read "Skunk Works" by Ben Rich for a very interesting take on that.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: 93143 on 01/18/2014 02:30 AM
Elon picked a good name when he chose "Falcon".  The Peregrine Falcon, for example, is the world's fastest bird.  SLS will be just as fast, or faster than Elon's Falcon (orbital mechanics being orbital mechanics), so "Peregrine" or "Condor" or "Eagle" or "Hawk" are all names associated with fast birds.  "Skyhawk" was an aircraft built by Douglas, a Boeing predecessor company.  Maybe a similar name could be conjured like "Starhawk" or "Spacehawk".   Eagle, of course, is a terrific iconic name already associated with space exploration and serving as a U.S. symbol.

Well, Eagle is taken...

As far as birds are concerned, Falcon is in a bit of a special place.  Most bird names don't seem appropriate for a rocket, especially a great huge one like this that's supposed to supply the brute strength at the beginning of an epic endeavour.

Planes, sure.  They fly.  Launchers don't really fly as such, not in the sense that birds do.  They launch.

Quote
Some have suggested "Armstrong" after Neil, but why couldn't it be after Louis, who was from New Orleans where SLS will be built?  Or, if the name is meant to evoke the bigness of the rocket, why not after Paul Bunyan or Babe Ruth or King Kong - iconic representations of big in U.S. history?  Or name it after famous U.S. aviators, like Doolittle or Lindbergh or Yeager or Crossfield?

I'm not sure why, but those sorts of names don't seem to work for me.  They aren't really...  universal, I suppose.  And for some reason most of them just sound wrong in this context.

Greco-Roman stuff, on the other hand, is common currency all over this half of the world, commands some measure of respect on the other half, and evokes epicness without sounding cheesy.

...

Seriously, can you imagine NASA actually launching a Kong IV or whatever?  I could barely bring myself to type that...
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: QuantumG on 01/18/2014 02:34 AM
As far as birds are concerned, Falcon is in a bit of a special place.  Most bird names don't seem appropriate for a rocket, especially a great huge one like this that's supposed to supply the brute strength at the beginning of an epic endeavour.

There's always Diomedea.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: sdsds on 01/18/2014 02:37 AM
As far as birds are concerned, Falcon is in a bit of a special place.  Most bird names don't seem appropriate for a rocket, especially a great huge one like this that's supposed to supply the brute strength at the beginning of an epic endeavour.

There's always Diomedea.

Struthio.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: darkenfast on 01/18/2014 06:19 AM
Combine the best ideas from

EELV - Evolved Expendable Launch Vehicles and

SDLV - Shuttle-Derived Launch Vehicle

to get

EDSELV - Evolved and Derived from Shuttle Expendable Launch Vehicle


Slight adjustment on that:

Evolved and Derived from Shuttle and Expendable Launchers

EDSEL!
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Jim on 01/18/2014 02:15 PM
Oh who is NASA kidding.

It's still Ares. Just like it's still Orion. At least they were intellectually honest enough to start calling it Orion MPCV as opposed to just MPCV.

Now they should do the same for the launcher. Just call it Ares SLS.

Shuttle was STS.  Instead of simplistic names and description, you want flowery names?
So you are into over the top hyperbole such as "given new life for what promises to be a new golden age powered by commercial space as never seen before. It's what that announcement signifies beyond the mundane locking of a gate. It's the unlocking of an amazing future"
 
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: edkyle99 on 01/18/2014 02:43 PM
Greco-Roman stuff, on the other hand, is common currency all over this half of the world, commands some measure of respect on the other half, and evokes epicness without sounding cheesy.

Seriously, can you imagine NASA actually launching a Kong IV or whatever?  I could barely bring myself to type that...
I could actually, but that's just me.  ;)  That, or something like it, might appeal to the younger generations that largely don't give a hoot about space exploration today.

As far as mythological names go, "Hyperion" seems to fit.  The tallest tree in the world is a coast redwood in California that has been named "Hyperion".   Other tall trees are named "Helios", "Icarus", "Daedalus", and so on.

The tree is a "Sequoia sempervirens".  Could a rocket be named "Sequoia"?  Russia has an ICBM named after a tree.  The name would also evoke Sequoyah, the Cherokee silversmith who invented the "Cherokee Syllabary".

 - Ed Kyle
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Barrie on 01/18/2014 03:02 PM
Hyperion was a 1968 Philip Bono proposal for a suborbital transport.

But Sequoia could grow on me  :)  Seriously, that could work
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MP99 on 01/18/2014 04:05 PM
Greco-Roman stuff, on the other hand, is common currency all over this half of the world, commands some measure of respect on the other half, and evokes epicness without sounding cheesy.

Seriously, can you imagine NASA actually launching a Kong IV or whatever?  I could barely bring myself to type that...
I could actually, but that's just me.  ;)  That, or something like it, might appeal to the younger generations that largely don't give a hoot about space exploration today.

As far as mythological names go, "Hyperion" seems to fit.  The tallest tree in the world is a coast redwood in California that has been named "Hyperion".   Other tall trees are named "Helios", "Icarus", "Daedalus", and so on.

The tree is a "Sequoia sempervirens".  Could a rocket be named "Sequoia"?  Russia has an ICBM named after a tree.  The name would also evoke Sequoyah, the Cherokee silversmith who invented the "Cherokee Syllabary".

 - Ed Kyle

If you're going to name it after a tree it should be Larry Niven's Stage Trees (especially apposite given the SRBs):-

http://larryniven.wikia.com/wiki/Tnuctip

Cheers, Martin
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: RonM on 01/18/2014 04:22 PM
Hyperion is a good mythological name if you want a serious name for SLS as a whole.

If you want to name each rocket, since they will be launched from Florida, why not name them like hurricanes?

Ann, Bob, Clair, Dave, Elle, Frank, etc. are fine names for rockets.  :)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: rcoppola on 01/18/2014 05:20 PM
Oh who is NASA kidding.

It's still Ares. Just like it's still Orion. At least they were intellectually honest enough to start calling it Orion MPCV as opposed to just MPCV.

Now they should do the same for the launcher. Just call it Ares SLS.

Shuttle was STS.  Instead of simplistic names and description, you want flowery names?
So you are into over the top hyperbole such as "given new life for what promises to be a new golden age powered by commercial space as never seen before. It's what that announcement signifies beyond the mundane locking of a gate. It's the unlocking of an amazing future"
Yes, guilty as charged. It's my writing style. I was a Creative Director for an Ad / Marketing agency for many years, it's how I express things I'm passionate about.

And yes, shuttle was STS, but the average person knows them as Endeavor, Discovery etc.. There's a reason we name things so people can relate, build bonds with. I imagine the crews that became attached to the shuttle called each one, that had its' own personality, by their name.

Neil Armstrong didn't announce to the world that the LEM has landed, he said the Eagle has landed.

So yes, names matter. As I said, I have no issues with keeping SLS just like STS but I submit also giving it a name is important as stated above. And it doesn't have to be Greco-Roman, frankly anything aspirational or just plain cool is fine.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: rcoppola on 01/18/2014 05:22 PM
In my view, this rocket already has a name - SLS - but if another moniker is required I hope that it breaks from the Greek/Roman god tradition.  NASA is not an Agency funded by Greece or Rome!  Isn't it time for a more modern name?

Elon picked a good name when he chose "Falcon".  The Peregrine Falcon, for example, is the world's fastest bird.  SLS will be just as fast, or faster than Elon's Falcon (orbital mechanics being orbital mechanics), so "Peregrine" or "Condor" or "Eagle" or "Hawk" are all names associated with fast birds.  "Skyhawk" was an aircraft built by Douglas, a Boeing predecessor company.  Maybe a similar name could be conjured like "Starhawk" or "Spacehawk".   Eagle, of course, is a terrific iconic name already associated with space exploration and serving as a U.S. symbol.

Some have suggested "Armstrong" after Neil, but why couldn't it be after Louis, who was from New Orleans where SLS will be built?  Or, if the name is meant to evoke the bigness of the rocket, why not after Paul Bunyan or Babe Ruth or King Kong - iconic representations of big in U.S. history?  Or name it after famous U.S. aviators, like Doolittle or Lindbergh or Yeager or Crossfield?

But SLS is fine with me. 

 - Ed Kyle
Falcon as in the Falcon 9 was not named for the bird, it was named in honor of the Millennium Falcon from Star Wars. Obviously that name had it's roots in the bird but just wanted to clarify.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Jim on 01/18/2014 05:25 PM

Yes, guilty as charged. It's my writing style. I was a Creative Director for an Ad / Marketing agency for many years, it's how I express things I'm passionate about.


There is a difference between marketing and reality.  Your blurb wasn't the latter
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: llanitedave on 01/18/2014 05:27 PM
Your in the wrong thread, Jim.  This one's about symbolism, not physics.  Poetry, not spreadsheets.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: rcoppola on 01/18/2014 05:36 PM

Yes, guilty as charged. It's my writing style. I was a Creative Director for an Ad / Marketing agency for many years, it's how I express things I'm passionate about.


There is a difference between marketing and reality.  Your blurb wasn't the latter
Well good sir, then you completely missed the point. I said it is "how" I express what I'm thinking in the written form. It doesn't mean "what" I wrote is marketing or somehow devoid of reality. If you think it has no basis in reality, that's fine, but I submit to you that you'd be wrong. And that's ok to.

And as an aside, you'd be surprised how much of people's perceived reality is because of marketing. The clothes they wear, the food they eat, the places they travel, the movies they watch, the cars they drive. You think all those purchase and lifestyle decisions that people make have nothing to do with marketing?

OK, this all very OT, so I'll cut it off. Wrong thread anyway for your response.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: TomH on 01/18/2014 09:28 PM

Yes, guilty as charged. It's my writing style. I was a Creative Director for an Ad / Marketing agency for many years, it's how I express things I'm passionate about.


There is a difference between marketing and reality.  Your blurb wasn't the latter

Jim, that is a statement of opinion, not one supportable by any empirical evidence. It also is unkind. It really would behoove you to find something positive to say sometimes.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MATTBLAK on 01/18/2014 09:41 PM
Although Jim is usually (always) right on technical matters, on this thread he is merely a Scrooge to the Bob Cratchett's here...
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: llanitedave on 01/19/2014 01:45 AM

Yes, guilty as charged. It's my writing style. I was a Creative Director for an Ad / Marketing agency for many years, it's how I express things I'm passionate about.


There is a difference between marketing and reality.  Your blurb wasn't the latter
Well good sir, then you completely missed the point. I said it is "how" I express what I'm thinking in the written form. It doesn't mean "what" I wrote is marketing or somehow devoid of reality. If you think it has no basis in reality, that's fine, but I submit to you that you'd be wrong. And that's ok to.

And as an aside, you'd be surprised how much of people's perceived reality is because of marketing. The clothes they wear, the food they eat, the places they travel, the movies they watch, the cars they drive. You think all those purchase and lifestyle decisions that people make have nothing to do with marketing?

OK, this all very OT, so I'll cut it off. Wrong thread anyway for your response.

The Devil Wears Prada?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Thorny on 01/19/2014 01:58 AM

The tree is a "Sequoia sempervirens".  Could a rocket be named "Sequoia"? 

The jokes would write themselves after a launch abort. "Sequoia planted firmly on ground." No.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Halidon on 01/19/2014 04:14 AM
In my view, this rocket already has a name - SLS - but if another moniker is required I hope that it breaks from the Greek/Roman god tradition.  NASA is not an Agency funded by Greece or Rome!  Isn't it time for a more modern name?

Elon picked a good name when he chose "Falcon".  The Peregrine Falcon, for example, is the world's fastest bird.  SLS will be just as fast, or faster than Elon's Falcon (orbital mechanics being orbital mechanics), so "Peregrine" or "Condor" or "Eagle" or "Hawk" are all names associated with fast birds.  "Skyhawk" was an aircraft built by Douglas, a Boeing predecessor company.  Maybe a similar name could be conjured like "Starhawk" or "Spacehawk".   Eagle, of course, is a terrific iconic name already associated with space exploration and serving as a U.S. symbol.

Some have suggested "Armstrong" after Neil, but why couldn't it be after Louis, who was from New Orleans where SLS will be built?  Or, if the name is meant to evoke the bigness of the rocket, why not after Paul Bunyan or Babe Ruth or King Kong - iconic representations of big in U.S. history?  Or name it after famous U.S. aviators, like Doolittle or Lindbergh or Yeager or Crossfield?

But SLS is fine with me. 

 - Ed Kyle
While the Greco-Roman naming tradition has its flaws, it keeps the political element out of naming. Take a gander at the Navy if you want to see how far down that rabbit hole goes. I, for one, would rather stick to the current system than risk a "Ronald Reagan Memorial Launch System" in the future.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: RigelFive on 01/19/2014 01:30 PM
Wait a minute.  SLS isn't Orion, Constellation, Ares, or Apollo II?

We need a name that:

1) resembles the transformational DoD program, yet is less flowery and poetic (butterflies, unicorns, etc.)
2) utilizes a more secular naming scheme with less roman mythological incantations, but has aspects of a democratically elected political system that doesn't know how to even calculate a nozzle expansion ratio.
3) utilizes aspects of three former programs that didn't accomplish any significant goals in space, but markets future accomplishments like they are better than any other countries... yet is not "racial", but provides some token acknowledgement of the demise of the Aztec civilization.
4) utilizes mighty names of constellations, but doesn't confuse the educational system by having to again recite theories of ancient astrology.
5) is plausible to last eight years before another administration cancels it, yet can be embroidered using computer numerically controlled sewing equipment and still be used 80 years from now.
6) invokes an image of something that moves if needed, yet is also capable of just sitting there looking pretty.

The Gizmotronic 2000 answer is:

Chamaeleon

(Constellation in the Southern Hemisphere)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Rocket Science on 01/19/2014 02:24 PM
I'd leave it as SLS (Some Launch System)... JK ;D Seriously, since the vehicle is going to be launched so infrequently, why not name each one after one of our fallen astronauts. Each launch of SLS will be christened thusly in their memory...
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: RigelFive on 01/19/2014 02:35 PM
Look at this feller:
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: R7 on 01/19/2014 04:45 PM
Look at this feller:

It looks a bit confused, as if thinking "Where's my fly and what am I doing in SLS name thread?"

Still thinking SLS should be named Moloch.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: llanitedave on 01/19/2014 06:09 PM
Actually, I'd like to see our naming systems go beyond greco-roman mythology, and may get into some native american sources.

One possibility is Wakinyan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakinyan), the Lakota "Thunder spirit".
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: bob the martian on 01/28/2014 06:59 PM
Maybe something from the Zodiac, a la Gemini?

Aries sounds too much like Ares, but how about Taurus?  Sagittarius? 

Or have those already been used for other programs?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Planetaryduality on 01/28/2014 08:07 PM
Quote
Aries sounds too much like Ares, but how about Taurus?  Sagittarius? 

Or have those already been used for other programs?

Taurus is a rocket from Orbital Sciences, basically a ground launched version of Pegasus. Antares was originally going to be called Taurus II
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: bob the martian on 01/28/2014 10:12 PM
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Aries sounds too much like Ares, but how about Taurus?  Sagittarius? 

Or have those already been used for other programs?

Taurus is a rocket from Orbital Sciences, basically a ground launched version of Pegasus. Antares was originally going to be called Taurus II

Duh.  I knew that.  Really.  There've only been a few dozen front page articles about it. 

I hate caffeine withdrawal. 

I dunno, just call it Beefer (BFR) and be done with it. 
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Post by: RanulfC on 01/29/2014 02:10 PM
And JUST to add even more confusion to the issue, Antares was also a 1991 study for a modular launch vehicle series from Washington State University:
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19920011425_1992011425.pdf

Randy
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Post by: Ronpur50 on 02/10/2014 12:37 AM
I'm surprised noone suggested Artemis... You know, the little sister of Ares and Apollo?

I like this one, and Orion hunted with Artemis!
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Thorny on 02/10/2014 01:08 AM
I for one can't hear "Artemis" without thinking of the opening scene of "Superman II".
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Post by: Avron on 02/10/2014 01:10 AM
I would go with 大鼠..  the parallel is exact, with the same outcome

Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: M_Puckett on 02/10/2014 03:02 AM
I for one can't hear "Artemis" without thinking of the opening scene of "Superman II".

"Planet Houston."
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Nascent Ascent on 02/10/2014 03:51 AM
Saturn X (as in 10)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Astrosurf on 05/01/2014 08:01 PM
 SPARTA!
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Zed_Noir on 05/01/2014 10:52 PM
SPARTA!

The name Spartan was use by the US LIM-49A anti-ballistic missile during the 1970's.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: DMeader on 05/01/2014 11:14 PM
I suspect that in the future, SLS will be known by the name "cancelled space shuttle successor".
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Barrie on 05/01/2014 11:21 PM
How about 'Blunderbus'?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Astrosurf on 05/02/2014 02:31 AM
what about the
rooty tooty launchy lifty?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: llanitedave on 05/02/2014 06:31 AM
I'm cool with BFR for a while.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: DMeader on 05/02/2014 02:42 PM
I'm cool with BFR for a while.

In my world here, "BFR" usually means "big frickin rock".  Upon thinking about it, maybe not a lot of difference actually. A big, heavy thing that probably won't go anywhere.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: A_M_Swallow on 05/06/2014 04:06 AM
An odd suggestion.  If the XEUS lander does get people to the Moon then the SLS used to launch it could be called the Scepter of Zeus.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Endeavour_01 on 02/12/2015 08:32 PM
In the NASA authorization act recently passed in the House a naming competition for SLS and the BEO program as a whole is required.

Quote
Sec. 203 Space Launch System

(f) Naming Competition.--Beginning not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act and concluding not later than 1 year after such date of enactment, the Administrator shall conduct a well-
publicized competition among students in elementary and secondary schools to name the elements of the Administration's exploration program, including--
           
       (1) a name for the deep space human exploration program as
        a whole, which includes the Space Launch System, the Orion crew
        capsule, and future missions; and
           
       (2) a name for the Space Launch System.

My personal choice of name for SLS would be Ares IV. Still thinking about a program name. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: mike robel on 02/12/2015 09:02 PM
SLS - Neptune.

Primarily because of a sentence in 2001 in which Clarke writes about the last of the Saturn's and Neptune's on display.

EDIT:  Found the quote:  "To the south, outlined by red warning lights, were the giant gantries of the Saturns and Neptunes, that had set man on the path to the planets, and how now passed into history.  Near the horizon, gleaming silver tower, stood the last of the Saturn V's, a national monument and still a place of pilgrimage."

(Which I have probably repeated up in this now merged thread and elsewhere.)

For the program, I'd be okay with Orion because for Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo, the name of the capsule seemed to be carried over to the program.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: German Space Fan on 02/12/2015 09:19 PM
Zeus for SLS (god of sky, father of Orion in Greek mythology) and Olympus for the programme (residence of ancient gods)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MarsMethanogen on 02/12/2015 09:32 PM
Let kids name it and we'll end up with Dora the Explorer.
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Post by: Rocket Science on 02/12/2015 09:47 PM
Oh no.... Not this again... ;D
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Post by: kch on 02/12/2015 09:55 PM
Oh no.... Not this again... ;D

Yes, Petunia ... ;)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: rayleighscatter on 02/12/2015 10:02 PM
Let kids name it and we'll end up with Dora the Explorer.
Kids named Endeavour after a ship famous for the voyage of discovery. Adults named Enterprise after a ship famous for being on TV.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: JazzFan on 02/12/2015 10:56 PM
Andromeda.....   Our nearest neighbor.   
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: llanitedave on 02/13/2015 12:10 AM
Cetus, because it will be a whale of a rocket.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Ben the Space Brit on 02/13/2015 10:51 AM
I agree with the proposition that crewed missions will end up with the 'Orion' prefix. However, I'm pretty sure that uncrewed missions will either be launched under the mission name (i.e. 'Europa Clipper', 'MSR-1' or the like) or with the hull number of the launch vehicle. So, the generally-considered secure missions to date would be:

EM-1 - Orion-2
EM-2 - Orion-3
First PLF flight - SLS-03
EM-3 - Orion-4

I, personally, doubt that the SLS rocket itself will get a different name. 'SLS' sounds good enough as a model name.

Let kids name it and we'll end up with Dora the Explorer.

Nothing wrong with that!  ;D
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: newpylong on 02/13/2015 02:28 PM
In the NASA authorization act recently passed in the House a naming competition for SLS and the BEO program as a whole is required.

Quote
Sec. 203 Space Launch System

(f) Naming Competition.--Beginning not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act and concluding not later than 1 year after such date of enactment, the Administrator shall conduct a well-
publicized competition among students in elementary and secondary schools to name the elements of the Administration's exploration program, including--
           
       (1) a name for the deep space human exploration program as
        a whole, which includes the Space Launch System, the Orion crew
        capsule, and future missions; and
           
       (2) a name for the Space Launch System.

My personal choice of name for SLS would be Ares IV. Still thinking about a program name. Thoughts?

I was partial to Ares (and Constellation) as well.  They were great names.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: TomH on 02/13/2015 03:39 PM
Phoenix. It rose from the ashes of Ares, Saturn, and STS all three. Only one other rocket by that name was an ATA missile. Hopefully, though, it will not turn to ashes once again.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: JohnF on 05/06/2015 10:38 AM
It's original idea name, Jupiter
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: the_other_Doug on 05/06/2015 10:44 AM
Or you could use the original concept name for America's ultimate heavy-lift launcher -- Nova.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Chilly on 05/06/2015 12:50 PM
"...Language in the authorization bill would direct NASA to 'conduct a well-publicized competition among students in elementary and secondary schools to name the elements of the administration’s exploration program.'"

Geez. Get ready for "Space Rocket SpongeBob"...

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Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/06/2015 03:54 PM
"...Language in the authorization bill would direct NASA to 'conduct a well-publicized competition among students in elementary and secondary schools to name the elements of the administration’s exploration program.'"

Geez. Get ready for "Space Rocket SpongeBob"...

They would do a better job than that, owing to the fact that they would be less likely to be influenced by any possible partisan political viewpoints of their parents/sci-fi geekdom trying to impose itself on real life.

Edit: Legibility.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: notsorandom on 05/06/2015 03:55 PM
Spirit and Opportunity were fine names for the MERs. They were the result of such a competition.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: arachnitect on 05/06/2015 04:16 PM
I don't have any problem with kids naming the rocket.

I'm more worried that the proposed law requires the administration to hold a competition for naming the whole exploration program.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Jim on 05/06/2015 04:16 PM
Spirit and Opportunity were fine names for the MERs. They were the result of such a competition.

Not really, like Destiny and Unity they are not used by the workers.  They only appear in PR documents.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: arachnitect on 05/06/2015 04:31 PM
Spirit and Opportunity were fine names for the MERs. They were the result of such a competition.

Not really, like Destiny and Unity they are not used by the workers.  They only appear in PR documents.

Even if they aren't used internally, the PR nicknames for stuff do get used by the public at large.

Maybe some people feel it's shallow and contrived, but I'd argue that the anthropomorphization of spacecraft (and the mars rovers in particular) is key to their PR success.

The average spaceflight supporter doesn't interface with the space program through engineering documents, they see the space program on TV and blogs and twitter and in cartoons. They need something a little more poetic that "MER-A/MER-B"

I'll grant that naming the node modules on ISS is kinda pushing it.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Chilly on 05/06/2015 05:37 PM
I'm with you. ISS is a finished complex; must we name every single thing we put up there?
Just call the thing "Cattlecar Galactica" and be done with it...

And for the record I don't mind kids picking the name; I'm more concerned about them having nothing but [email protected]$$ choices to vote on.



Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: edkyle99 on 05/06/2015 08:44 PM
It's original idea name, Jupiter
Already taken.

- Ed Kyle
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Mark S on 05/06/2015 09:08 PM
It's original idea name, Jupiter
Already taken.

- Ed Kyle

Are those relics still in service? As far as I can see, they were all retired with prejudice in the early 1960's. I see no reason why the name can't be used again.

However, I would be against NASA naming SLS "Jupiter" for a different reason: NASA would be taking credit for something that they fought against from the beginning. Not to mention that SLS lacks the elegance and refinement that went into the DIRECT designs.

Anyhoo, that's all water under the bridge. Let's hear what the kiddos have to say. I'm sure they will be less jaded and cynical than us geezers. :)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: TomH on 05/06/2015 09:48 PM
Or you could use the original concept name for America's ultimate heavy-lift launcher -- Nova.

BFR is more deserving of that name than is SLS.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: mike robel on 05/07/2015 02:23 AM
I still favor Neptune!
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Thorny on 05/07/2015 02:42 AM

Are those relics still in service? As far as I can see, they were all retired with prejudice in the early 1960's. I see no reason why the name can't be used again.


It would have to be "Jupiter II" but in that case, the "Danger! Will Robinson!" jokes will be neverending. So Jupiter is probably out.

I just hope the kids don't name the thing Ironman, Skywalker, or Optimus Prime, but that's what we'll probably get.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: daveklingler on 05/07/2015 02:51 AM
And it doesn't have to be Greco-Roman, frankly anything aspirational or just plain cool is fine.

Wilbur.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: edkyle99 on 05/07/2015 03:26 AM
It's original idea name, Jupiter
Already taken.

- Ed Kyle

Are those relics still in service? As far as I can see, they were all retired with prejudice in the early 1960's. I see no reason why the name can't be used again.
Though a missile, Jupiter played a key role in U.S. space history.  It funded the von Braun team when it was nearly ready to disband.  It created ABMA, which became NASA's MSFC.  It funded development of "Jupiter-C", which put the first U.S. satellite into orbit.  It built the launch pad subsequently used to launch Shepard and Grissom.  It provided test stands and manufacturing capabilities that were quickly applied to "Super Jupiter" (soon renamed Saturn because it was the  planet beyond Jupiter).  No Jupiter, no Saturn.  No Saturn, no Buzz and Neil on the Moon in 1969.  That's why the name should not be reused.

 - Ed Kyle 
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MATTBLAK on 05/07/2015 03:35 AM
What about naming each SLS in honor after a famous person in Astronautics - the Robert H Goddard, James Webb, Alan B Shepard, Neil A Armstrong, John F Kennedy etc?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: faadaadaa on 05/07/2015 03:39 AM
Even though it was used as a part of the Nike family, I'll just suggest Hercules.  In many of Chris' articles SLS is referred to as a "monster rocket", which to me implies something of epic size and strength.  When I think of Hercules, I think the same thing.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: edkyle99 on 05/07/2015 02:23 PM
"Olympus", since SLS is being developed with Mars as its ultimate goal and Olympus Mons is that 16 mile high volcano on Mars that is as big as the state of Arizona.

 - Ed Kyle
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Ronpur50 on 05/07/2015 02:43 PM
I like Olympus, but I still like Artemis, twin sister of Apollo and hunting partner of Orion.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: newpylong on 05/07/2015 03:06 PM
Or you could use the original concept name for America's ultimate heavy-lift launcher -- Nova.

BFR is more deserving of that name than is SLS.

I wouldn't reserve any name for a rocket with ever changing/vague specs.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Kansan52 on 05/07/2015 03:43 PM
Well, it is the 'Ares IV' after all but politics will not allow that. Politics will also block 'Constellation'.

The way Congress keeps the tap on for it, 'Angel', you know, from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. After all, it keeps drinking the life blood of NASA, money.

I've got it! 'Nixon'!! His political careered dies, gets resurrected, and then goes down in flames. Of course I mean funding flames because I expect it to fly properly. (Kids, you may need to Wiki 'Nixon' to get the reference.)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: TomH on 05/07/2015 05:21 PM
Or you could use the original concept name for America's ultimate heavy-lift launcher -- Nova.

BFR is more deserving of that name than is SLS.

I wouldn't reserve any name for a rocket with ever changing/vague specs.

Irrelevant because it will still be the largest rocket ever built by far. Do a Google Image Search for Nova and rocket and see how many itterations were proposed and how widely they differed in size. Your point only makes the name more apropos.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: newpylong on 05/07/2015 06:33 PM
Or you could use the original concept name for America's ultimate heavy-lift launcher -- Nova.

BFR is more deserving of that name than is SLS.

I wouldn't reserve any name for a rocket with ever changing/vague specs.

Irrelevant because it will still be the largest rocket ever built by far.

It will? See previous post I made.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: FishInferno on 05/07/2015 06:39 PM
Or you could use the original concept name for America's ultimate heavy-lift launcher -- Nova.

BFR is more deserving of that name than is SLS.

Maybe "Supernova" or "Hypernova" would be more fitting ;)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: llanitedave on 05/08/2015 05:29 PM
Since it's smaller than Constellation, maybe it could be an "Asterism".
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Geron on 05/08/2015 05:57 PM
How about MIC!
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Dr. Strangelove on 05/08/2015 06:10 PM
BOB.


(Big Orbital Booster)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Impaler on 05/12/2015 06:33 AM
"...Language in the authorization bill would direct NASA to 'conduct a well-publicized competition among students in elementary and secondary schools to name the elements of the administration’s exploration program.'"

Geez. Get ready for "Space Rocket SpongeBob"...

Unfortunately these so called contests are basically rigged, by presenting the elementary students with a per-approved list of names which are all so equally bland and interchangeable that the students might as well be drawing from a hat.  Naturally their is a write in option but in the ONE instance where the write in actually won (the Colbert write in campaign for Node 3), NASA immediately voided the result and went with one of their bland pre-approved names.

Personally I'm going to call it the Senate Launch System till the day it is canceled.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Darkseraph on 05/12/2015 07:08 AM
I think they should simply just call it the Ares rocket, since it really just is a variation on Ares I/V rockets.

So no numerals, just plain 'Ares'. That is much less confusing. They're pitching it as the rocket that will take us to Mars, so a mars sounding name is appropriate. And while there may be different upper stages or different boosters, there won't be multiple rockets in operation by NASA so numerals are a bit pointless. It doesn't have to sound like a throwback to the Saturn rockets.

If people feel that the final super-mega whatever version needs distinguishing...call that Ares Heavy! Or, give the various progressive upgrades version numbers. Even DIRECT, with its Jupiter rockets had that sort of nomenclature for its three progressive architectures, that isn't just totally copying a company we shall not name here.

ULA are calling their next rocket Vulcan..not Vulcan III or Atlas VI or whatever. Just the plain name, and I think that helps with branding. 
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Lobo on 05/12/2015 11:17 PM
I think they should simply just call it the Ares rocket, since it really just is a variation on Ares I/V rockets.

So no numerals, just plain 'Ares'. That is much less confusing. They're pitching it as the rocket that will take us to Mars, so a mars sounding name is appropriate. And while there may be different upper stages or different boosters, there won't be multiple rockets in operation by NASA so numerals are a bit pointless. It doesn't have to sound like a throwback to the Saturn rockets.

If people feel that the final super-mega whatever version needs distinguishing...call that Ares Heavy! Or, give the various progressive upgrades version numbers. Even DIRECT, with its Jupiter rockets had that sort of nomenclature for its three progressive architectures, that isn't just totally copying a company we shall not name here.

ULA are calling their next rocket Vulcan..not Vulcan III or Atlas VI or whatever. Just the plain name, and I think that helps with branding.

Zubrin referred to his SDHLV concept as simply "Ares".  It's a bit different (side mounted MPS) but the intent is the same. 

Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Darkseraph on 05/12/2015 11:23 PM
Indeed...that guy has been banging on about Mars..for a loooong time. NASA, please throw him a bone!!

That's where I got the idea, kinda. Ares is simple, it sounds good, its not really taken. The super mega version can be Ares 2.0 or Ares Heavy! Win! :)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Lobo on 05/13/2015 12:21 AM
I think Ares 1 and 5 was kinda that bone.  Just that NASA really wanted to split out a smaller crew launcher for ISS work and just additional safety (vs. a larger HLV), and then the big cargo lifter.  Thus the numberation....with a bone thrown to the last BLEO system

Now they've come back to just one, so simply Ares could work. 

Hard to know about the politics of it.  On one hand, there's a lot of baggage with Ares among space enthusiests.  On the other hand, the other 99% of people probably don't even remember CxP used the name and renaming SLS to Ares won't cary any negativity whatsoever.

Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: okan170 on 05/13/2015 04:22 AM
I think Ares 1 and 5 was kinda that bone.  Just that NASA really wanted to split out a smaller crew launcher for ISS work and just additional safety (vs. a larger HLV), and then the big cargo lifter.  Thus the numberation....with a bone thrown to the last BLEO system

Now they've come back to just one, so simply Ares could work. 

Hard to know about the politics of it.  On one hand, there's a lot of baggage with Ares among space enthusiests.  On the other hand, the other 99% of people probably don't even remember CxP used the name and renaming SLS to Ares won't cary any negativity whatsoever.

Its huge, orange and could be used for Mars missions… Ares seems apt!
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: newpylong on 05/13/2015 01:02 PM
Ares is the best name in my opinion.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Thorny on 05/13/2015 01:08 PM
Ares is the best name in my opinion.

Except that Ares was always being mis-spelled and mis-pronounced as Aries.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: ZachS09 on 05/18/2015 04:59 PM
Has "Nemesis" been discussed yet? If not, then "Nemesis" is my suggestion because of the codename of the NROL-1 payload launched in August 2004 and the original name for the Gradius video games in the 1980s.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Coastal Ron on 05/18/2015 11:15 PM
Well, Ares has been the name of Mars missions in a lot of science fiction and other sources.  If it is taking people to Mars, it seams we want to name it Ares.  Perhaps it should be used on the spacecraft assembled by SLS to go to Mars.

A significant portion of the SLS comes crashing down to Earth, so maybe Icarus or Phoenix?  Since the SLS is an expendable launcher, Phoenix seems rather apt, since "a phoenix obtains new life by arising from the ashes of its predecessor."  And since the SLS was born from Ares I/V, it sure makes a lot of sense.

I assume the upper stage never really makes it to the destination either, so maybe naming it something different makes sense.

As to Mars oriented names, that should be for the payloads that are actually getting to Mars.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: TomH on 05/19/2015 03:26 AM
Wow, OK, either you are trying to be funny, or just plain rude.

Neither. It is not o.k. to use a blanket we when it is obvious the majority of the thread disagree. You do need to speak for yourself or clarify exactly for whom you are speaking. You really do need to own your opinion and not assume others agree with you. I find that to be more than rude.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: woods170 on 05/19/2015 07:51 AM
Over here at the junction we've been referring to SLS as Phoenix (for obvious reasons) or BAR. You can all safely assume what the latter acronym stands for.  ;)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: The Amazing Catstronaut on 05/19/2015 08:48 AM
Over here at the junction we've been referring to SLS as Phoenix (for obvious reasons) or BAR. You can all safely assume what the latter acronym stands for.  ;)

Big-Ass(Ares) Rocket?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: woods170 on 05/19/2015 09:16 AM
Over here at the junction we've been referring to SLS as Phoenix (for obvious reasons) or BAR. You can all safely assume what the latter acronym stands for.  ;)

Big-Ass(Ares) Rocket?
Leave out the name of the Constellation rocket and you got it.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: okan170 on 05/19/2015 02:45 PM
I've been partial to "Giant Orange Rocket" (GOR) myself.  Truly, of all the orange rockets like Delta, H-II etc, this would be the largest!
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Impaler on 05/21/2015 01:38 AM
Has anyone mentioned "Magnum" that was the original NASA name for shuttle derived vehicle designs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnum_%28rocket%29
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Post by: MATTBLAK on 06/02/2015 11:12 AM
Has anyone mentioned "Magnum" that was the original NASA name for shuttle derived vehicle designs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnum_%28rocket%29

I wouldn't... http://www.trojancondoms.com/Product/magnum-lubricated-condoms.aspx
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: JazzFan on 06/02/2015 05:18 PM
Has anyone mentioned "Magnum" that was the original NASA name for shuttle derived vehicle designs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnum_%28rocket%29

I wouldn't... http://www.trojancondoms.com/Product/magnum-lubricated-condoms.aspx

Webster's Dictionary defines Magnum as, a large wine bottle holding about 1.5 liters".   Tsk, tsk, tsk...   keep your mind out of the gutter.  This could be a good opportunity to get sponsorship from Napa Valley vineyards.
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Post by: Archibald on 06/02/2015 05:18 PM
Has anyone mentioned "Magnum" that was the original NASA name for shuttle derived vehicle designs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnum_%28rocket%29

I wouldn't... http://www.trojancondoms.com/Product/magnum-lubricated-condoms.aspx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaT6hRKXcBY  ;D
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: litton4 on 06/03/2015 07:21 AM
I've been partial to "Giant Orange Rocket" (GOR) myself.  Truly, of all the orange rockets like Delta, H-II etc, this would be the largest!

I'd adjust that to "Giant Orange Rocket Transport" - here's hoping it doesn't threaten to destroy the world.....
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Nilof on 06/08/2015 07:37 PM
I suggest calling it "Moccus", after the Celtic god of hunting which is sometimes equated to Mercury. His name also means "pork".
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MarcAlain on 09/03/2015 06:22 AM
Looks like it will:

http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/05/03/new-name-for-space-launch-system-gets-backing-of-lawmakers/
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Post by: SuperCal on 09/03/2015 11:49 PM
I think they should call it "Optimus". It would be great hearing them talk about what the Optimus Prime mission would be  ;D
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: rcoppola on 09/04/2015 12:29 AM
2 SRBs, RS-25s, Orange core, topped with an Orion. Let's just call it was it is. Ares.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: llanitedave on 09/04/2015 12:48 AM
Ares is a perfectly fine name, particularly since the last one proposed was never used.  Maybe it should be called Ares VI.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MarcAlain on 09/04/2015 12:54 AM
2 SRBs, RS-25s, Orange core, topped with an Orion. Let's just call it was it is. Ares.

About the only difference is the first stage engines were swapped out for RS-25s instead of the cheaper non-microwaveable RS-68s.
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Post by: Arcas on 09/04/2015 12:56 AM
Lets use GalaxyOne or America from the ULA Vulcan vote.

Or we could not.
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Post by: JohnF on 09/04/2015 11:10 AM
How about Starship ??, lol
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Post by: Martin FL on 09/04/2015 12:28 PM



We've known that for a good year or so here.
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Post by: spacekscblog on 09/04/2015 12:59 PM
Call it the Shelby.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MarcAlain on 09/04/2015 02:26 PM



We've known that for a good year or so here.

I didn't see it in the thread. Nice post.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: savuporo on 09/04/2015 02:40 PM
Call it the Shelby.
Surely, you can't be serious
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Coastal Ron on 09/04/2015 02:58 PM
Call it the Shelby.
Surely, you can't be serious

It's not that uncommon to name something after one of it's most important supporters, and Shelby has been the SLS earliest and most visible supporter.

"The Shelby"

Has a kinda ring to it, huh?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MattMason on 09/04/2015 04:21 PM
Call it the Shelby.
Surely, you can't be serious

Of course he was. And why are you calling him Shirley?  ;D

With the CST-100 now also known as Starliner, it would be helpful for NASA to use names for publicity. While I don't think naming the expendable-rocket-that's-falling-into-the ocean-in-pieces as practical, the Orion spacecraft, being a long-duration vehicle, could use notations to honor past spaceflight notables, sort of like what Orbital ATK's doing with their Cygnus haulers.

And heck, let's get some of the Orions named after some guys while they're still alive to enjoy it. Like the Lovell, or the Young, the Kranz, Lunney or even the Aldrin.
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Post by: MarcAlain on 09/04/2015 05:05 PM

 While I don't think naming the expendable-rocket-that's-falling-into-the ocean-in-pieces as practical,

Sure, not reusing a rocket or attempting to could be considered silly in these times, but that's by no means the worst part of the Senate Launch System.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Kansan52 on 09/04/2015 05:29 PM
Ares IV (Roman numeral for 4 engines or Intravenous since the Senate is pumping life sustaining billions into the system)

Ares WB (Ares Wanna Be)

Jupiter 4 (twice as good as the Jupiter 2 - 'Danger! Danger!')
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Post by: woods170 on 09/04/2015 05:51 PM
Ares IV (Roman numeral for 4 engines or Intravenous since the Senate is pumping life sustaining billions into the system)

We have a winner! :)
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Post by: TomH on 09/04/2015 08:42 PM
Ares IV (Roman numeral for 4 engines or Intravenous since the Senate is pumping life sustaining billions into the system)

We have a winner! :)

No, Ares IV was the proposal to put the Ares I upper stage on the Ares V core.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/AresFamily.jpg)
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Post by: Endeavour_01 on 09/04/2015 09:06 PM
Ares IV (Roman numeral for 4 engines or Intravenous since the Senate is pumping life sustaining billions into the system)

We have a winner! :)

No, Ares IV was the proposal to put the Ares I upper stage on the Ares V core.


Aside from some of Kansan52's remarks I agree with him on the name choice. SLS is gonna look just like Ares V except it has 4 main engines instead of 5. We should just call it what it is. (but NASA won't because that would harken back to the CxP days. Pity because it is the perfect name in my view)

Edit: There is no reason we can't call it Ares IV because it was also the unofficial name used to refer to a certain proposal from the Augustine commission. Columbia shared its name with an Apollo command module.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MarcAlain on 09/04/2015 09:25 PM
Here's my serious proposal for the naming scheme.

(http://i.imgur.com/kKm5tH0.png)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Thorny on 09/04/2015 09:52 PM
Here's my serious proposal for the naming scheme.

Problem is there was already a vehicle called Ares I, and SLS wasn't it.
So maybe step-up one each: Ares II, Ares IIIA and B, and Ares IVA and B?
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Post by: obi-wan on 09/04/2015 11:27 PM
Call it the Shelby.
Surely, you can't be serious

It's not that uncommon to name something after one of it's most important supporters, and Shelby has been the SLS earliest and most visible supporter.

"The Shelby"

Has a kinda ring to it, huh?

To show you how old I am, my first thought was Carroll Shelby, as in the Shelby Cobra or Shelby Mustang - connoting a car up scaled for performance. Bit of a reach, though - Senator Shelby makes more sense... Well, no, it doesn't, but you know what I mean... Oh, well, never mind...  :-)
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Post by: mike robel on 09/04/2015 11:40 PM
I understand perfectly,  My first thought was Shelby Mustang.  Seconds later, I remembered Shelby from Alabama, only because I has briefed him once.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MarcAlain on 09/05/2015 12:35 AM
Here's my serious proposal for the naming scheme.

Problem is there was already a vehicle called Ares I, and SLS wasn't it.
So maybe step-up one each: Ares II, Ares IIIA and B, and Ares IVA and B?

Well, those vehicles were never operational. Also, I'm afraid my joke missed you :p
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: TomH on 09/05/2015 02:56 AM
I understand perfectly,  My first thought was Shelby Mustang.  Seconds later, I remembered Shelby from Alabama...

Same here.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: TomH on 09/05/2015 03:03 AM
Columbia shared its name with an Apollo command module.

Can't equivocate here. Many ships have been named Enterprise. When Douglas Aircraft rolled out its first jet, they didn't stick DC-3 on the side just because that had been such a famous model number. We are talking about model numbers, not individual names. Memphis Belle, Boxcar, and Enola Gay were all B-29s.
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Post by: TomH on 09/05/2015 03:10 AM
Here's my serious proposal for the naming scheme

Even if they build your IIIA or IIIB, it'll never get 130 mT with advanced solids. It would require either a fifth core engine with US upgrades or advanced liquid boosters.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MarcAlain on 09/05/2015 03:15 AM
Here's my serious proposal for the naming scheme

Even if they build your IIIA or IIIB, it'll never get 130 mT with advanced solids. It would require either a fifth core engine with US upgrades or advanced liquid boosters.

Goodness you guys are just missing the point :p
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Post by: TomH on 09/05/2015 03:30 AM
(http://www.c82packet.com/images/phoenixmain.jpg)

Risen from the ashes of Saturn, STS, and CxP all.
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Post by: TomH on 09/05/2015 03:33 AM
Goodness you guys are just missing the point :p

No, we get it, completely. We've been here much longer than you are we are just seriously jaded.  :-\

Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MarcAlain on 09/05/2015 04:07 AM
Goodness you guys are just missing the point :p

No, we get it, completely. We've been here much longer than you are we are just seriously jaded.  :-\

Oh sorry, forgot that everyone interested in space has known about this place for forever /s
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: darkenfast on 09/05/2015 04:45 AM
The PBS.

Pork Barrel Special.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Endeavour_01 on 09/05/2015 05:00 PM
Columbia shared its name with an Apollo command module.

Can't equivocate here. Many ships have been named Enterprise. When Douglas Aircraft rolled out its first jet, they didn't stick DC-3 on the side just because that had been such a famous model number. We are talking about model numbers, not individual names. Memphis Belle, Boxcar, and Enola Gay were all B-29s.

True enough. However, since the "Ares IV" proposal was never adopted I fail to see why that means Ares IV can never be used ever again. Arguably SLS fits the Ares IV moniker more than the modified Ares V proposal. Agree to disagree.


Risen from the ashes of Saturn, STS, and CxP all.



That would be a good one.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: JazzFan on 09/06/2015 02:06 AM
Typhon. 

"The most fearsome monster of Greek mythology. The last son of Gaia, fathered by Tartarus, Typhon was, with his mate Echidna, the father of many famous monsters."
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: the_other_Doug on 09/06/2015 01:53 PM
I still think "Nova" is appropriate for the first crewed BLEO launcher since the Saturn.  The direct evolution out of Saturn was originally supposed to be Nova, and the name flows smoothly off the tongue.

And it's been a long time since Chevy has used the name for their cheap line of cars... ;)
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Post by: llanitedave on 09/06/2015 02:19 PM
Might be better than "Maverick", but who knows?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: JazzFan on 09/06/2015 02:50 PM
I still think "Nova" is appropriate for the first crewed BLEO launcher since the Saturn.  The direct evolution out of Saturn was originally supposed to be Nova, and the name flows smoothly off the tongue.

And it's been a long time since Chevy has used the name for their cheap line of cars... ;)

Ok, only four letters so less paint on the side of the rocket for it's name.  I guess that would save enough money to make congress happy.  But, I do like the name better an hopefully no one relates it to solar explosions.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: quanthasaquality on 09/07/2015 08:50 PM
Call it the Shelby.
Surely, you can't be serious

It's not that uncommon to name something after one of it's most important supporters, and Shelby has been the SLS earliest and most visible supporter.

"The Shelby"

Has a kinda ring to it, huh?

To show you how old I am, my first thought was Carroll Shelby, as in the Shelby Cobra or Shelby Mustang - connoting a car up scaled for performance. Bit of a reach, though - Senator Shelby makes more sense... Well, no, it doesn't, but you know what I mean... Oh, well, never mind...  :-)

The SLS should be named 'Mustang'. Mustang is a cool sounding name. It can be named after the car and horse. It also has the inside joke of being a 'Shelby Mustang'.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Dante80 on 11/01/2015 12:51 PM
Some suggestions.

Midas

Hydra

Sisyphus


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Post by: Eer on 11/01/2015 02:54 PM
Lol ... Sisyphus
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: SWGlassPit on 11/02/2015 02:27 PM
Zeus -- in Greek mythology, Zeus was the one that put Orion among the stars.

In all honesty, we're starting to run out of names that roll off the tongue nicely if we stick to the mythology theme.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: eric z on 11/02/2015 02:46 PM
 I think "NOVA" would be a great name for SLS, but how about something youth and all other
ages could have fun and a grin with: "MOOSE".
   "Uh,MOOSE 4 is go for lift-off,sir".
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: dchill on 11/02/2015 05:33 PM
...
And it's been a long time since Chevy has used the name for their cheap line of cars... ;)

Didn't Chevy stop using No-va because it translated to something like "Doesn't Go" in Spanish? 

I'll leave it to others on this forum do decide if that's a reason why SLS should or shouldn't use the name...
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Post by: the_other_Doug on 11/03/2015 06:50 AM
I think "NOVA" would be a great name for SLS, but how about something youth and all other
ages could have fun and a grin with: "MOOSE".
   "Uh,MOOSE 4 is go for lift-off,sir".

Well, that's just a proper application of some Mighty Moose Muscle, Rock...  ;)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: NovaSilisko on 11/03/2015 06:55 AM

Didn't Chevy stop using No-va because it translated to something like "Doesn't Go" in Spanish? 

Nah. Just an urban legend. http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp

(I do have a moniker to defend, you know)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Hotblack Desiato on 11/15/2015 12:37 AM
Maybe it already came up, but I think, people will just call it orion.

Think about the past.

Mercury: who cared about the name of the rocket.
Gemini: again, nobody cared about it.
Apollo: every launch had its apollo-designation, only a few enthusiasts named the saturn I and V rockets correctly.

The same thing happened with the space shuttles and the dragon capsules (although they are unmanned).

So I don't think that the media will call the launches by the name of the rocket, they will just say Orion 3 launched, Orion 4 went over there, and so on. And honestly, Orion is a fairly catchy name.
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Post by: Bob Shaw on 11/15/2015 01:09 AM
'Cancelled' ?
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Post by: llanitedave on 11/15/2015 04:39 AM
Maybe it already came up, but I think, people will just call it orion.

Think about the past.

Mercury: who cared about the name of the rocket.
Gemini: again, nobody cared about it.
Apollo: every launch had its apollo-designation, only a few enthusiasts named the saturn I and V rockets correctly.

The same thing happened with the space shuttles and the dragon capsules (although they are unmanned).

So I don't think that the media will call the launches by the name of the rocket, they will just say Orion 3 launched, Orion 4 went over there, and so on. And honestly, Orion is a fairly catchy name.


The difference being that, if the SLS actually does succeed, it should have a fair number of cargo-only flights without the Orion attached.
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Post by: the_other_Doug on 11/15/2015 04:17 PM
Maybe it already came up, but I think, people will just call it orion.

Think about the past.

Mercury: who cared about the name of the rocket.
Gemini: again, nobody cared about it.
Apollo: every launch had its apollo-designation, only a few enthusiasts named the saturn I and V rockets correctly.

The same thing happened with the space shuttles and the dragon capsules (although they are unmanned).

So I don't think that the media will call the launches by the name of the rocket, they will just say Orion 3 launched, Orion 4 went over there, and so on. And honestly, Orion is a fairly catchy name.


The difference being that, if the SLS actually does succeed, it should have a fair number of cargo-only flights without the Orion attached.

Yep -- the Mars DRM as of now has a number of unmanned SLS cargo flights in it.

I would also disagree that only a handful of nerdy yahoos in the '60s had a clue that the Apollo booster was a Saturn.  I also dispute the same concept for Mercury and Gemini.  If you were alive then, you probably still recall the plethora of references to the names of the rockets used by the various spacecraft.

So, no -- "Orion" for the rocket was well as the spacecraft won't fly.  (I blame the fact that the Russians have semi-officially named the more recent versions of the R7-derived booster the Soyuz launcher on a total lack of imagination within the Russian space industry... ;) )
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Darkseraph on 11/15/2015 04:57 PM
Strike while the iron is hot and call it Ares! NASA have been using social media to promote their "Journey To Mars" by comparing it to the systems seen in The Martian. Calling the booster Ares (or even Ares III) would be good PR.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: llanitedave on 11/15/2015 10:17 PM
I think it would be nice to cut out the greco-roman obsession, and start using more native american and other cultural names to our vehicles.


Problem is, I couldn't find any decent native american names for Mars!
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: woods170 on 11/16/2015 09:12 AM
Strike while the iron is hot and call it Ares! NASA have been using social media to promote their "Journey To Mars" by comparing it to the systems seen in The Martian. Calling the booster Ares (or even Ares III) would be good PR.
Please no. I really don't care for the smug grin on Griffin's face.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: savuporo on 11/16/2015 04:03 PM
.. start using more native american and other cultural names to our vehicles.
Great, call it Malsumis then.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: llanitedave on 11/17/2015 04:09 PM
.. start using more native american and other cultural names to our vehicles.
Great, call it Malsumis then.


The language is ok, the PR leaves a bit to be desired.  Might as well call it Sauron.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: sdsds on 01/25/2016 04:44 AM
Ah.... I propose, Foundation.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: kch on 01/25/2016 05:20 AM
I think "NOVA" would be a great name for SLS, but how about something youth and all other
ages could have fun and a grin with: "MOOSE".
   "Uh,MOOSE 4 is go for lift-off,sir".

Well, that's just a proper application of some Mighty Moose Muscle, Rock...  ;)

That could be fun:

"Hey, Rocky -- watch me put a payload into space!"
"A-GAIN?"
"Nothin' up my sleeve -- Presto!"
[ROAR]
"Ooh!  Don't know my own strength ..."

;D
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: redliox on 01/25/2016 05:41 AM
Ah.... I propose, Foundation.

That's actually not a bad name.  Simple, original, and belies how SLS is supposed to support a variety of important missions, human spaceflight most prominently.  I could get behind it.

It's getting hard to narrow down a proper mythological title, and many prominent ones are already taken.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Barrie on 01/25/2016 05:45 AM
Ah.... I propose, Foundation.

Nice nod to Asimov, there  :)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/26/2016 04:35 AM
Ah.... I propose, Foundation.

A problem with that is that Al Qaida also means Foundation. :-(

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/aug/24/alqaida.sciencefictionfantasyandhorror
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MATTBLAK on 01/26/2016 05:18 AM
Nova, Cronos, Zeus.
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Post by: daveklingler on 01/26/2016 05:42 AM
I've been calling it Ares V for years.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: RocketGoBoom on 01/27/2016 12:14 AM
Daedalus

After all, SLS is all about recycled rocket hardware that started an eon ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7we8vNE7_o
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: ulm_atms on 01/27/2016 12:26 AM
I vote 'mini-BFR'.   8)

It's a BFR considering current....but hopefully in ~5-10 years....mini will be required in it's name.  ;D

My thinking is that we will then always have a BFR to talk about!!  LOL

Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: llanitedave on 01/27/2016 02:40 AM
Ah.... I propose, Foundation.

A problem with that is that Al Qaida also means Foundation. :-(

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/aug/24/alqaida.sciencefictionfantasyandhorror (http://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/aug/24/alqaida.sciencefictionfantasyandhorror)


But "Foundation" does not mean Al-Qaida.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Darkseraph on 01/27/2016 03:36 AM
Enhanced Volume Inline Launcher?  ;D

Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Endeavour_01 on 01/27/2016 04:05 AM
Enhanced Volume Inline Launcher?  ;D

C'mon man. Even if you believe SLS isn't the right path to follow there is no reason to call it "evil." The rocket never did anything to you.  ;)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: TomH on 01/27/2016 05:46 PM
Enhanced Volume Inline Launcher?  ;D

C'mon man. Even if you believe SLS isn't the right path to follow there is no reason to call it "evil." The rocket never did anything to you.  ;)

It took some of his tax money. OTOH, it is not an inline launcher.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: JohnF on 01/29/2017 01:32 PM
I'd say Jupiter IV, or Saturn IV, 4 engines ya know,  or just Jupiter or Saturn
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: JazzFan on 01/29/2017 02:12 PM
I'd say Jupiter IV, or Saturn IV, 4 engines ya know,  or just Jupiter or Saturn

I'm a fan of Jupiter, even though that name has been used before.  No need for IV and should just start with I or nothing, after all, Saturn 1B did not have one engine on the first stage.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: dror on 01/29/2017 02:28 PM
The "wait for it" II

II stands for every other year
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Post by: eric z on 01/30/2017 06:27 PM
 How 'bout calling it the "Big Johnson", in honor of LBJ ! ;D
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Bynaus on 01/30/2017 06:36 PM
Well, its giant, phallic, associated with enormous amounts of money, and, of course, also mostly orange. Obviously, it has to be named, ... err, after the yuuugest of the planets, Jupiter. ;)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Zed_Noir on 01/31/2017 06:04 AM
How 'bout calling it the "Big Johnson", in honor of LBJ ! ;D

 :) The kids will think that is named after Dwayne (The Rock) Johnson. ;D
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: woods170 on 01/31/2017 07:57 AM
Well, its giant, phallic, associated with enormous amounts of money, and, of course, also mostly orange. Obviously, it has to be named, ... err, after the yuuugest of the planets, Jupiter. ;)
Please no. You are likely to step on the toes of the maginificent DIRECT folks. Their shuttle-derived launcher was named Jupiter.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Basto on 01/31/2017 08:12 PM
How about Pluto.

Seeing as Pluto got reclassified as a dwarf planet and this will be reclassified as a dwarf launcher when BFR flies before it. ;)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: okan170 on 02/01/2017 06:37 PM
How about Pluto.

Seeing as Pluto got reclassified as a dwarf planet and this will be reclassified as a dwarf launcher when BFR flies before it. ;)

(And we see why nobody posts in the SLS threads anymore)

I'm pretty sure it'll at least fly before BFR.  More than, who knows.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: envy887 on 02/01/2017 10:38 PM
Well, its giant, phallic, associated with enormous amounts of money, and, of course, also mostly orange. Obviously, it has to be named, ... err, after the yuuugest of the planets, Jupiter. ;)
Please no. You are likely to step on the toes of the maginificent DIRECT folks. Their shuttle-derived launcher was named Jupiter.
SLS is almost identical to some variants of DIRECT's Jupiter.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MATTBLAK on 02/01/2017 11:11 PM
Astraeus, Nova, Neptune, Zeus...

...No; maybe not Astraeus - would take 5 minutes before some smartass would be calling it 'Ashtray'.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: JohnF on 02/02/2017 01:33 AM
Yes, SLS is the realization of the DIRECT folks, it's basically the same as their Jupiter idea, hence the SLS name "Jupiter", saying yep, you guys got it right.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: llanitedave on 02/02/2017 02:15 AM
Jupiter would be ok, but the suggestions are starting to get repetitive now.  Earlier in this thread I suggested "Varda", after Tolkein's mythological queen of the stars.  I think it's time for a female heroine of some kind, unless the phallic connection is simply too strong.

But limiting everything to Greek and Roman mythology gets old after a while.  Literally.  There are plenty of other great mythologies with heroes and heroines to choose from.

And, as long as we're being repetitive, I'll renominate Wakinyan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakinyan), the Lakota "Thunder spirit".
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: dror on 02/02/2017 04:33 AM

But limiting everything to Greek and Roman mythology gets old after a while.  Literally.  There are plenty of other great mythologies with heroes and heroines to choose from.


Then Shimshon it is !
He overcame a thausand greek soldiers by himself

Or maybe Bar Kohva (translates to Star owner) who rode on the lion which the Romans put to kill him,

Or Goliath ?

Nah
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: JohnF on 02/03/2017 11:09 AM
Hmmm. how about Patriot ?, could hear the PAO now "This is Orion/Patriot launch control, T minus 5 minutes and counting".....
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Lar on 02/08/2017 12:12 AM
Let us dial down the snark a bit, shall we? Some posts removed, some more could have been.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: redliox on 02/08/2017 12:32 AM
There's always "The Good Ship Lollipop" if Elon doesn't use that for ITS.  ;)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: QuantumG on 02/08/2017 01:02 AM
Hmmm... it occurs to me that no-one has suggested SLS may stand for Slightly Less Stupid. That's a pretty reasonable engineer's joke.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: woods170 on 02/08/2017 01:59 PM
Hmmm... it occurs to me that no-one has suggested SLS may stand for Slightly Less Stupid. That's a pretty reasonable engineer's joke.

I agree. Compared to the previous BFR attempt, better known as Ares V, it is indeed only Slightly Less Stupid.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: collectSPACE on 02/16/2017 12:45 PM
Lawmakers call for first NASA SLS rocket to be named for last man on moon
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-021617a-sls-name-cernan-rocket.html

Two U.S. lawmakers have authored new legislation to name the first of NASA's Space Launch System (SLS) heavy-lift rockets after the last man to leave footprints on the moon.

Congressmen John Culberson (R-TX) and Robert Aderholt (R-AL) introduced a resolution on Wednesday (Feb. 15) to christen the first launch of the SLS the "Cernan 1 rocket" in honor of Apollo 17 astronaut Eugene Cernan, who died on Jan. 16 at age 82.

"Cernan was devoted to making America's space program the best in the world," Culberson said. "I cannot think of a more fitting way to honor his legacy than the first launch of the Space Launch System carrying Capt. Cernan's name."
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: ZachS09 on 02/17/2017 01:09 PM
I'm a bit confused:

Will there be a series of "Cernan" missions such as Cernan 2 in 2021 and so on and so forth?

Or is the rocket family going to be referred to as the Cernan 1 launch vehicles?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Orbiter on 02/17/2017 01:14 PM
I believe the intention per the legislation would be to call the launch vehicle the Cernan I, and the missions still being EM-1, EM-2, et cetera.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Mark S on 02/17/2017 07:27 PM
As much as I admire and respect Gene Cernan's accomplishments, I can't see naming the SLS vehicle after him. If we were to start naming the rockets after real people, or even just astronauts, I could think of many who should be so honored ahead of Cernan: Werner Von Braun, John Kennedy, Neil Armstrong, the entire crews of Apollo-1, Challenger, and Columbia, etc.  What would be the justification for placing Cernan ahead of these (or any other) notable people?

We have few enough rockets, I think we can manage to keep finding worthy names in Greek and Roman mythology. I still favor Jupiter, or maybe Daedalus, Odysseus, or even Prometheus.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Proponent on 02/17/2017 07:54 PM
[sarcasm]
I'm sure we're all very happy that Congress is making the important decisions, like what to call the big rocket.  Almost as happy as we were to see it write the rocket's specifications into law, so that those incompetent engineers wouldn't be able to foul things up too much.

We should also be grateful for what Congress is not doing, like setting long-term goals or even for a moment considering the possibility American industry might be able to serve NASA's needs for deep-space launch.
[/sarcasm]
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Dante80 on 02/18/2017 01:32 AM
Poseidon would be a good fit, since he is believed to be the father of Orion in one legend.

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The legend of Orion was first told in full in a lost work by Hesiod, probably the Astronomia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomia); simple references to Hesiod will refer to this, unless otherwise stated. This version is known through the work of a Hellenistic author on the constellations; he gives a fairly long summary of Hesiod's discourse on Orion.[6] (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/javascript:void(0)) According to this version, Orion was likely the son of the sea-god Poseidon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poseidon) and Euryale,[7] (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/javascript:void(0)) daughter of Minos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minos), King of Crete. Orion could walk on the waves because of his father; he walked to the island of Chios (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chios) where he got drunk and attacked Merope (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/javascript:void(0)),[8] (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/javascript:void(0)) daughter of Oenopion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oenopion), the ruler there. In vengeance, Oenopion blinded Orion and drove him away. Orion stumbled to Lemnos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemnos) where Hephaestus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus) — the lame smith-god — had his forge. Hephaestus told his servant, Cedalion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedalion), to guide Orion to the uttermost East where Helios (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios), the Sun, healed him; Orion carried Cedalion around on his shoulders. Orion returned to Chios to punish Oenopion, but the king hid away underground and escaped Orion's wrath. Orion's next journey took him to Crete (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crete) where he hunted with the goddess Artemis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis) and her mother Leto (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leto), and in the course of the hunt, threatened to kill every beast on Earth. Mother Earth (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/javascript:void(0)) objected and sent a giant scorpion to kill Orion. The creature succeeded, and after his death, the goddesses asked Zeus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeus) to place Orion among the constellations. Zeus consented and, as a memorial to the hero's death, added the Scorpion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpius) to the heavens as well.[9] (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/javascript:void(0))

Taurus would be another good fit, for this reason (in another legend) :

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The margin of the Empress Eudocia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aelia_Eudocia)'s copy of the Iliad has a note summarizing a Hellenistic poet[12] (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/javascript:void(0)) who tells a different story of Orion's birth. Here the gods Zeus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeus), Hermes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes) and Poseidon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poseidon) come to visit Hyrieus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyrieus) of Tanagra (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanagra), who roasts a whole bull for them.[13] (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/javascript:void(0)) When they offer him a favor, he asks for the birth of sons. The gods take the bull's hide and ejaculate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejaculate) or urinate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinate) into it[14] (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/javascript:void(0)) and bury it in the earth, then tell him to dig it up ten months[15] (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/javascript:void(0)) later. When he does, he finds Orion; this explains why Orion is earthborn.[16] (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/javascript:void(0))

Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: JohnF on 02/20/2017 10:52 AM
As much as I respect Capt Cernan's dedication to our space program, think I'd still go with Jupiter for the launch vehicle, then call each mission Orion 1, 2, 3 etc., EM whatever isn't very catchy to the general public.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Proponent on 02/20/2017 11:36 AM
I think in general it's a bad idea to name things after astronauts.  They get all the glory, and their places in history are assured.  There are many less visible but equally or more important people behind the scenes -- engineers, technicians, managers and the like -- who do not get the recognition they deserve.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: edkyle99 on 02/20/2017 01:48 PM
"Space Launch System" is, and should remain, the name of this launch vehicle.  It is too late to pick a new name.  NASA named Saturn V pretty much right at the beginning, although it was called "Saturn C-5" for the first year until early 1963.

 - Ed Kyle
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Orbiter on 02/20/2017 02:01 PM
"Space Launch System" is, and should remain, the name of this launch vehicle.  It is too late to pick a new name.  NASA named Saturn V pretty much right at the beginning, although it was called "Saturn C-5" for the first year until early 1963.

 - Ed Kyle

This has become my position as well since making this thread. SLS is fine.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Kansan52 on 02/20/2017 09:29 PM
My guess, he wouldn't care for it.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Zed_Noir on 02/20/2017 09:31 PM
I think in general it's a bad idea to name things after astronauts.  They get all the glory, and their places in history are assured.  There are many less visible but equally or more important people behind the scenes -- engineers, technicians, managers and the like -- who do not get the recognition they deserve.

Then Someone should have a talk with Jeff Bezos. The New Sheppard, the New Glenn & the New Armstrong are name after you know who.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Proponent on 02/21/2017 09:11 AM
I suppose that in the case of a private business, it's not about giving credit where credit is due, it's about making money.  Because Blue Origin's customers will have heard of astronauts, New Armstrong is better for marketing than, say, New Dryden or New Kraft.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: su_liam on 05/24/2017 08:32 PM
Has anyone made the suggestion yet of continuing with Von Braun's reasoning. Saturn was named for the one after Jupiter. Thus we have a name for SLS. The one after Saturn. The Mighty… er… wait… Uranus?!
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: JazzFan on 05/24/2017 10:36 PM
Has anyone made the suggestion yet of continuing with Von Braun's reasoning. Saturn was named for the one after Jupiter. Thus we have a name for SLS. The one after Saturn. The Mighty… er… wait… Uranus?!

Just say no!   Come on NASA, lets get a proper name for this thing.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: MATTBLAK on 05/24/2017 10:49 PM
Nova, Neptune, Odin, Jupiter....   Ares...
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Michel Van on 11/11/2017 06:28 PM
At NASA Werner von Braun called his rocket  Jupiter then Saturn after Planets of Solar system and well as the Roman god's

a logical successor to the Saturn series would be Uranus...

...ehh, ok let take Neptune there was between Saturn and SLS, the STS (Shuttle).
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Scotty on 11/22/2017 05:05 PM
In three years or so, it will be called Delta V   ;)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Rebel44 on 11/22/2017 05:19 PM
I am OK with calling it Senate Launch System
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: docmordrid on 12/07/2017 11:59 AM
As a taxpayer, count me in as hoping for "the canceled Space Launch System" and they start bidding out heavy and distributed lift launches.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Darkseraph on 12/07/2017 02:19 PM
The Ares rockets of the previous Constellation program were named such because they were intended to enable Mars missions.
Selene could be a good name for SLS. NASA is afterall being redirected towards Moon missions. There is two JAXA missions with this name but some reuse of names is inevitable, there are only so many lunar deities!
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: A_M_Swallow on 12/07/2017 03:30 PM
The Ares rockets of the previous Constellation program were named such because they were intended to enable Mars missions.
Selene could be a good name for SLS. NASA is afterall being redirected towards Moon missions. There is two JAXA missions with this name but some reuse of names is inevitable, there are only so many lunar deities!

Does the vehicle have to have a European name? There must be names for the moon in the native American languages. Preferably one I can  pronounce.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: rayleighscatter on 12/07/2017 11:43 PM

Does the vehicle have to have a European name? There must be names for the moon in the native American languages. Preferably one I can  pronounce.

There's the Aztec lunar diety Coyolxauhqui.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: llanitedave on 12/15/2017 05:39 AM

Does the vehicle have to have a European name? There must be names for the moon in the native American languages. Preferably one I can  pronounce.

There's the Aztec lunar diety Coyolxauhqui.

But the Aztecs spelled it differently!

It would be nice, though, to see a label stenciled on the side of the rocket carrying not only its name in the native tongue, but in the native writing system as well!

(There seem to be more of these than I originally guessed!)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Khadgars on 12/15/2017 03:15 PM
As a taxpayer, count me in as hoping for "the canceled Space Launch System" and they start bidding out heavy and distributed lift launches.

Of all the things your taxpayer dollars go to, you are concerned about SLS?  This type of statement boggles my mind.  Do I get a say on what the $700 Billion annual budget for the DoD gets used on?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: docmordrid on 12/15/2017 03:29 PM
As a taxpayer, count me in as hoping for "the canceled Space Launch System" and they start bidding out heavy and distributed lift launches.

Of all the things your taxpayer dollars go to, you are concerned about SLS?  This type of statement boggles my mind.  Do I get a say on what the $700 Billion annual budget for the DoD gets used on?

Maintaining and equipping a strong national defense infrastructure is a constitutional requirement, and a sensible preemption given today's world. The $billions/launch & disposable Space Launch System jobs program is not.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Markstark on 12/15/2017 05:47 PM
In three years or so, it will be called Delta V   ;)
This is the second or third time I've heard this. Boeing taking it over completely and rebranding it as the Delta V
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: eric z on 12/15/2017 05:58 PM
 I'm sticking with "Moose"! I think it would be cool, and exciting for the youth- Why do rockets always have to have space and/or classical names? "Today at the Cape Moose #5 will launch the Moon Bases' first living-quarters-module to lunar orbit, where the Lunar Tugboat, commanded by Capt. Kangaroo will guide it down to Copernicus Moon Base"...
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: JohnF on 01/14/2018 12:15 PM
Just call it Jupiter, and Boeing taking it over completely doesn't sound too bad...things prob. would move faster than the slow roll we're on now, however I believe this is by design, once Apollo & shuttle ended thousands lost jobs.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Kansan52 on 02/12/2018 06:49 PM
SLS should be renamed to Simple, Safer, Sooner.

Maybe another 'r':

Simpler, Safer; Sooner.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Mark S on 02/13/2018 10:04 PM
SLS should be renamed to Simple, Safer, Sooner.

Maybe another 'r':

Simpler, Safer; Sooner.

Is that sarcasm, or someone taking a potshot? Maybe it's a tribute:

http://www.directlauncher.org/ (http://www.directlauncher.org/)  (and way too many NSF threads on the subject to mention)

"Safe, Simple, Soon" was an ATK branding campaign for Ares-1. "Safer, Simpler, Sooner" was DIRECT's cheeky response.

Unfortunately, SLS did not have the same level of thoughtfulness and expediency put into it that DIRECT did, in spite of all of Bolden's and Garver's foot-dragging. Sure, the two vehicles are superficially similar, but philosophically (and operationally), they are worlds apart.

Sigh. Well, at least we have New Space to amaze us. May SpaceX, Blue Origin, and the others continue to be successful and carry on the spirit of DIRECT.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Kansan52 on 02/13/2018 10:56 PM
Sorry. No sarcasm meant. Was unaware of the rest. Just adding the 'r' to make saying the phrase smoother.

Sorry. (No sarcasm in that either, just sorry. Still learning.)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Mark S on 02/13/2018 11:50 PM
Sorry. No sarcasm meant. Was unaware of the rest. Just adding the 'r' to make saying the phrase smoother.

Sorry. (No sarcasm in that either, just sorry. Still learning.)

Cool, no problem. I didn't mean to sound harsh.  If you get a chance, you should skim through some of those DIRECT threads. It was an amazing effort. :)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Caleb Cattuzzo on 02/22/2018 05:11 PM
Why not call it "Enterprise?" (totally not a star trek bias fanboy opinion ;D)
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Ike17055 on 02/25/2018 12:46 AM
SLS. Significantly Longer (than) Scheduled
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Pete on 02/26/2018 04:28 AM
Why would we ever need to name it other than SLuSh?
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Lars-J on 02/26/2018 10:25 PM
I've always thought that its final nickname will match a certain bridge in Alaska.
Title: Re: Will 'SLS' ever be known by a different name?
Post by: Lar on 02/27/2018 03:15 AM
7 pages and a lot of it is just potshots at SLS (I confess I might have launched one or two).... Anything new here to say? No?

Locked. Report to mod making the case that it shouldn't be if you disagree