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International Space Station (ISS) => ISS Section => Topic started by: Danderman on 06/30/2012 09:42 pm
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These are two seemingly identical modules, to be docked to the Node Module in the Z axis.
On page 61 of the Energia financial report, there is an engineering drawing of one of these modules. These are not to be confused with the SPP (Science Power Platform) that was cancelled about 10 years ago. These are much more capable modules.
Of particular interest is the 4350 mm diameter of the pressurized module. This is wider than the base block, and would provide quite a bit of additional volume to ISS.
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These are two seemingly identical modules, to be docked to the Node Module in the Z axis.
On page 61 of the Energia financial report, there is an engineering drawing of one of these modules. These are not to be confused with the SPP (Science Power Platform) that was cancelled about 10 years ago. These are much more capable modules.
Of particular interest is the 4350 mm diameter of the pressurized module. This is wider than the base block, and would provide quite a bit of additional volume to ISS.
Thanks for starting this thread. Can anyone confirm the current status of these modules? Have they entered design phase?
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So would this be the first major space station module by Russia since Kvant 1 that is not a direct TKS or DOS version?
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These are two seemingly identical modules, to be docked to the Node Module in the Z axis.
On page 61 of the Energia financial report, there is an engineering drawing of one of these modules. These are not to be confused with the SPP (Science Power Platform) that was cancelled about 10 years ago. These are much more capable modules.
Of particular interest is the 4350 mm diameter of the pressurized module. This is wider than the base block, and would provide quite a bit of additional volume to ISS.
I presume it would be launched on a Proton, or Angara? That would require a 5m fairing, which ILS has stated is a 30 month project, but nobody has ever shown enough interest ($$$). Angara was supposed to have a 5m fairing option. And this would be a 2018 or so launch, anyways.
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4350 mm vs 4270 mm for the US lab. Wow they're big! Is the implication of those large solar arrays that they foresee a need for power above what the USOS can provide, or are they preparing for a time when USOS power might be unavailable? Also, where are the corresponding heat radiators?
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4350 mm vs 4270 mm for the US lab. Wow they're big! Is the implication of those large solar arrays that they foresee a need for power above what the USOS can provide, or are they preparing for a time when USOS power might be unavailable? Also, where are the corresponding heat radiators?
Good call on the (lack of) radiators.
I would think the solar arrays would be for autonomous power.
I have to wonder what they would need that kind of power for though, that's some array.
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4350 mm vs 4270 mm for the US lab. Wow they're big! Is the implication of those large solar arrays that they foresee a need for power above what the USOS can provide, or are they preparing for a time when USOS power might be unavailable? Also, where are the corresponding heat radiators?
Two explanations:
The drawings aren't that detailed; or
since the SEMs are below the main body of the station, the entire module might serve as a radiator, as it would often be in shadow.
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So would this be the first major space station module by Russia since Kvant 1 that is not a direct TKS or DOS version?
Even Kvant-1 was simply one section of a DOS module. This new module would be completely different, and larger than anything orbited by the Russians.
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I presume it would be launched on a Proton, or Angara? That would require a 5m fairing, which ILS has stated is a 30 month project, but nobody has ever shown enough interest ($$$). Angara was supposed to have a 5m fairing option. And this would be a 2018 or so launch, anyways.
ГО - fairing
ОПО - "support-transition compartment"
Плоскость отделения - plane of separation
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These are two seemingly identical modules, to be docked to the Node Module in the Z axis.
On page 61 of the Energia financial report, there is an engineering drawing of one of these modules. These are not to be confused with the SPP (Science Power Platform) that was cancelled about 10 years ago. These are much more capable modules.
Of particular interest is the 4350 mm diameter of the pressurized module. This is wider than the base block, and would provide quite a bit of additional volume to ISS.
I presume it would be launched on a Proton, or Angara? That would require a 5m fairing, which ILS has stated is a 30 month project, but nobody has ever shown enough interest ($$$). Angara was supposed to have a 5m fairing option. And this would be a 2018 or so launch, anyways.
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=2980421
Proton to be ordered for NEM-1
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These are two seemingly identical modules, to be docked to the Node Module in the Z axis.
On page 61 of the Energia financial report, there is an engineering drawing of one of these modules. These are not to be confused with the SPP (Science Power Platform) that was cancelled about 10 years ago. These are much more capable modules.
Of particular interest is the 4350 mm diameter of the pressurized module. This is wider than the base block, and would provide quite a bit of additional volume to ISS.
I presume it would be launched on a Proton, or Angara? That would require a 5m fairing, which ILS has stated is a 30 month project, but nobody has ever shown enough interest ($$$). Angara was supposed to have a 5m fairing option. And this would be a 2018 or so launch, anyways.
http://zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=2980421
Proton to be ordered for NEM-1
So it may actually fly then? Order date is listed there as 2014 which is also interesting.
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These are two seemingly identical modules, to be docked to the Node Module in the Z axis.
On page 61 of the Energia financial report, there is an engineering drawing of one of these modules. These are not to be confused with the SPP (Science Power Platform) that was cancelled about 10 years ago. These are much more capable modules.
Of particular interest is the 4350 mm diameter of the pressurized module. This is wider than the base block, and would provide quite a bit of additional volume to ISS.
I presume it would be launched on a Proton, or Angara? That would require a 5m fairing, which ILS has stated is a 30 month project, but nobody has ever shown enough interest ($$$). Angara was supposed to have a 5m fairing option. And this would be a 2018 or so launch, anyways.
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=2980421
Proton to be ordered for NEM-1
So it may actually fly then? Order date is listed there as 2014 which is also interesting.
The Proton-K had a shelf life of five years…
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Interestingly, I have not seen any graphic illustrations showing the latest ISS final configuation. This would include MLM, NM, the two science and power modules, reconfiguration of USOS modules (Node 3, PLM, PMA-3), and the two planned docking adapters on PMA-2/PMA-3. I've seen plenty of Russian art and models showing the station with their completed additions, but the USOS changes/additions are not shown. Art showing the USOS changes/additions do not show the RS additions. If there's no art out there showing this as assembly complete, I am tempted to take this on and create something myself using 3D graphics.
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Also, where are the corresponding heat radiators?
They can be seen in this photo.
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TKS-based modules had a 4.35 m diameter.
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/mir_kristall.html
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These are two seemingly identical modules, to be docked to the Node Module in the Z axis.
On page 61 of the Energia financial report, there is an engineering drawing of one of these modules. These are not to be confused with the SPP (Science Power Platform) that was cancelled about 10 years ago. These are much more capable modules.
Of particular interest is the 4350 mm diameter of the pressurized module. This is wider than the base block, and would provide quite a bit of additional volume to ISS.
Is this report available for download?
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TKS-based modules had a 4.35 m diameter.
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/mir_kristall.html
Nyet. RSW must be counting some antenna. TKS was 4.1 meters at its maximum hull diameter.
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These are two seemingly identical modules, to be docked to the Node Module in the Z axis.
On page 61 of the Energia financial report, there is an engineering drawing of one of these modules. These are not to be confused with the SPP (Science Power Platform) that was cancelled about 10 years ago. These are much more capable modules.
Of particular interest is the 4350 mm diameter of the pressurized module. This is wider than the base block, and would provide quite a bit of additional volume to ISS.
Thanks for starting this thread. Can anyone confirm the current status of these modules? Have they entered design phase?
Let's hope they are closer to being finished goods. These modules on track for 2015 like the drawings?
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Let's hope they are closer to being finished goods. These modules on track for 2015 like the drawings?
In the same sense that MLM was to be orbited in 2012, yes.
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These are two seemingly identical modules, to be docked to the Node Module in the Z axis.
On page 61 of the Energia financial report, there is an engineering drawing of one of these modules. These are not to be confused with the SPP (Science Power Platform) that was cancelled about 10 years ago. These are much more capable modules.
Of particular interest is the 4350 mm diameter of the pressurized module. This is wider than the base block, and would provide quite a bit of additional volume to ISS.
Thanks for starting this thread. Can anyone confirm the current status of these modules? Have they entered design phase?
Let's hope they are closer to being finished goods. These modules on track for 2015 like the drawings?
I know these modules are part of the 5-year spending plan. I've noticed a pattern in the way the RSA gets things done. They tend to concentrate their spending on a few items at a time, instead of on a little on everything that's in the plan (like we in the US seem to do). The last batch was the MR-1 and MR-2 modules. When these were finished, they started to refocus on MLM and the Node Module. So, naturally, when MLM and NM are finished, all their focus will be on the two power modules. If they haven't yet started design work on the power modules, this probably means MLM and the NM still need more funding before the agency can shift their focus.
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These are two seemingly identical modules, to be docked to the Node Module in the Z axis.
On page 61 of the Energia financial report, there is an engineering drawing of one of these modules. These are not to be confused with the SPP (Science Power Platform) that was cancelled about 10 years ago. These are much more capable modules.
Of particular interest is the 4350 mm diameter of the pressurized module. This is wider than the base block, and would provide quite a bit of additional volume to ISS.
Thanks for starting this thread. Can anyone confirm the current status of these modules? Have they entered design phase?
Let's hope they are closer to being finished goods. These modules on track for 2015 like the drawings?
I know these modules are part of the 5-year spending plan. I've noticed a pattern in the way the RSA gets things done. They tend to concentrate their spending on a few items at a time, instead of on a little on everything that's in the plan (like we in the US seem to do). The last batch was the MR-1 and MR-2 modules. When these were finished, they started to refocus on MLM and the Node Module. So, naturally, when MLM and NM are finished, all their focus will be on the two power modules. If they haven't yet started design work on the power modules, this probably means MLM and the NM still need more funding before the agency can shift their focus.
That explains the long time lines we are seeing, this makes sense - thanks.
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TKS-based modules had a 4.35 m diameter.
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/mir_kristall.html
Nyet. RSW must be counting some antenna. TKS was 4.1 meters at its maximum hull diameter.
Please, do you have any drawing, or Russian source showing the 4.1 m-diameter figure for TKS maximum diameter? Thanks.
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TKS-based modules had a 4.35 m diameter.
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/mir_kristall.html
Nyet. RSW must be counting some antenna. TKS was 4.1 meters at its maximum hull diameter.
Please, do you have any drawing, or Russian source showing the 4.1 m-diameter figure for TKS maximum diameter? Thanks.
All I have are proprietary documents, sorry. But they do show the 4100 mm maximum diameter.
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TKS-based modules had a 4.35 m diameter.
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/mir_kristall.html
Nyet. RSW must be counting some antenna. TKS was 4.1 meters at its maximum hull diameter.
Please, do you have any drawing, or Russian source showing the 4.1 m-diameter figure for TKS maximum diameter? Thanks.
All I have are proprietary documents, sorry. But they do show the 4100 mm maximum diameter.
Could you name one of them? I will try to contact the sources, asking for permission to get some copies, if they are available - even in an abbreviated text version, or in low-res drawings or pictures.
I am a scale model maker, and this data are very important.
Thanks.
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SFOC-FL1884 FGB Databook
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SFOC-FL1884 FGB Databook
Thanks!
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On another thread here, it's been reported that the NEM-1 contract is being solicited! This development made my day!!
It looks like the ISS will actually be completed!
Excuse my corniness here, but "To completion and Beyond!" Lol
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On another thread here, it's been reported that the NEM-1 contract is being solicited! This development made my day!!
It looks like the ISS will actually be completed!
Excuse my corniness here, but "To completion and Beyond!" Lol
Wrong, you are jumping the gun again
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On another thread here, it's been reported that the NEM-1 contract is being solicited! This development made my day!!
It looks like the ISS will actually be completed!
Excuse my corniness here, but "To completion and Beyond!" Lol
Wrong, you are jumping the gun again
Would you care to explain what I am wrong about? Or do you just like saying those words?
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Here's the article about the planned solicitation, fully translated:
22.10.2012 / 11:56 Roskosmos will allocate 15 billion rubles for scientific power module for the ISS
Roskosmos has announced a competition to create scientific and power module (NEM-1) for the Russian segment of the International Space Station, the maximum amount of the contract - 15.15 billion rubles, the work must be completed before the end of November 2015, according to the materials of the tender of the website public procurement .
Earlier it was reported that Russia plans to create two modules for the ISS BEP-1 and BEP-2, and their launches are planned for 2014 and 2015 respectively.
According to the terms of reference, published on the website of public procurement, the module's life should be at least 17 years, of which two years - the period of storage and preparation for launch, and 15 years - life in the Russian segment of the ISS.
Inside the module NEM-1 should be 30 cubic meters of free space that can be used crew. The module will be placed universal rack medical equipment, fitness equipment, and means of prevention of adverse factors of space flight, and other appliances and units.
Solar battery module to generate electricity an average annual capacity of at least 18 kilowatts at the beginning of operation.
Applications for the contest must be submitted by November 20, the winners of the tender will be announced after November 29. Amount of the security of the contract - 12.12 billion rubles, according to RIA Novosti.
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Here's the article about the planned solicitation, fully translated:
22.10.2012 / 11:56 Roskosmos will allocate 15 billion rubles for scientific power module for the ISS
Roskosmos has announced a competition to create scientific and power module (NEM-1) for the Russian segment of the International Space Station, the maximum amount of the contract - 15.15 billion rubles, the work must be completed before the end of November 2015, according to the materials of the tender of the website public procurement .
Does this include at least 18 months of testing and launch prep? If not, then I would expect to see the first NEM module on the ISS in 2017.
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http://www.i-mash.ru/news/nov_otrasl/28709-postrojjkojj-modulja-njem-1-dlja-mks-zajjmetsja.html
I will provide the Google translation of this web news:
The tender for the development of scientific and power module (NEM-1) for the Russian segment of the International Space Station (ISS) won by RSC "Energia".
The only competitor corporations in this tender was the State Research and Production Space Center Khrunichev.
RKK "Energy" to build a module for 15.15 billion rubles - that this was the initial (maximum) amount of the contract, the statement on the procurement.
Khrunichev center said the price of almost 2 billion less - 13.45 billion rubles, RIA "Novosti". However, its application is scored 42.97 points (43.82 points against the "Energy") because of the lower qualification assessment participant, exhibited by members of the commission.
Under the contract, the module NEM-1 must be completed before the end of November 2015. Earlier it was reported that Russia plans to create two modules for the ISS BEP-1 and BEP-2, and their launches are planned for 2014 and 2015 respectively.
According to the terms of reference, published on the website of public procurement, the module's life should be at least 17 years, of which two years - the period of storage and preparation for launch, and 15 years - life in the Russian segment of the ISS.
The empty space inside the module NEM-1, which may use the crew must be at least 30 m³. The module will be placed universal rack medical equipment, fitness equipment, and means of prevention of adverse factors of space flight, and other appliances and units.
Solar battery module to generate electricity an average annual capacity of at least 18 kilowatts at the beginning of operation.
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http://ria.ru/science/20121204/913358552.html
Google translate
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2Fscience%2F20121204%2F913358552.html
NEM-1 module for the ISS RKK "Energy" to be built in cooperation
15:15 12/04/2012 (updated 15:38 12/04/2012) / 230
"NEM-1 must incorporate the latest advances of the space industry, will implement in its construction principle - just fly into space, we take the best in the world", - said Vitaly Lopota.
Korolev (Moscow Region), December 4 - RIA Novosti. Russian rocket and space corporation RKK "Energy", which won the competition to create a new module for the International Space Station (ISS), is going to announce a competition for involvement in its creation of broad international cooperation, told journalists RSC "Energia" Vitaly Lopota.
"I have no doubt in our technological capabilities. Module NEM-1, in contrast to the previous module MLM will be based on the latest space technology. We intend to competitively selected applicants to supply components for the module, including the world's leading space companies "- said Lopota.
According to him, the ideology of building a new module is built.
"NEM-1 must incorporate the latest advances of the space industry, will implement in its construction principle - just fly into space, we take the best in the world", - said Vitaly Lopota.
He stressed that the RSC "Energia" no restrictions on the application of the module in the equipment of foreign elements.
"We do not have on this issue is no limit," - said Lopota.
The head of RKK "Energy" stressed that the new module can be the first step in the formation of Russian space industry of the future.
"NEM-1, we will create a large and good service life in orbit. Should be evolutionary development with the future in mind. Infrastructure The U.S. appears somewhere in 2017, and I hope that Russia will also exerts himself, and somewhere by the same date will have a decent space infrastructure for equitable cooperation in space. "
Replying to a question whether the RSC "Energia" groundwork for a new module Lopota said that "of course there is."
"This is a management system celestial life and preservation of thermal conditions. Already in each flight spacecraft we are working on new technologies that will be used in the Russian space infrastructure of the future" - he explained.
According to head of RKK "Energy", the offer to participate in the creation of the new module will be both foreign and Russian companies, including Center Khrunichev.
"We always offer do not only independent companies, but also competitors. The stronger our cooperation, the better the final product," - said Lopota.
Answering the question of when construction can begin NEM-1, Lopota explained, "that the project took place, looking for technical documentation."
"So it already is. And it formed at the advanced level of technology, using, for example, computer-aided design tools and analysis environment," Pro-Engineer. "We are not ashamed to work with any international cooperation, whether it is" Lockheed Martin " "Boeing" and "Astrium", - concluded the head of RKK "Energy".
JSC "RSC" Energia "October 30, won the tender for a contract for the NEM-1 (R-energy module) for the Russian segment of the ISS, leaving behind only competitor - Center Khrunichev.
The initial (maximum) amount of the contract was 15.15 billion rubles, it is for the same amount of "Energia" offered to build the module.
Under the contract, the module NEM-1 must be completed before the end of November 2015. Earlier it was reported that Russia plans to create two modules for the ISS NEM-1 and NEM-2, and their launches are planned for 2014 and 2015 respectively.
According to the terms of reference, published on the website of public procurement, the module's life should be at least 17 years, of which two years - the period of storage and preparation for launch, and 15 years - life in the Russian segment of the ISS.
Inside the module NEM-1 should be 30 cubic meters of free space that can be used crew. The module will be placed universal rack medical equipment, fitness equipment, and means of prevention of adverse factors of space flight, and other appliances and units.
Solar battery module to generate electricity an average annual capacity of at least 18 kilowatts at the beginning of operation.
At present, the Russian segment of the ISS consists of five modules - service module "Zvezda" Functional Cargo Block "Zarya" (formally the American, as created by U.S. funds), docking compartment "Pirs" (Pierce) Mini Research Module "Poisk"(Search) Mini Research Module "rassvet"(Dawn).
In March 2014 Russia plans to launch multipurpose laboratory module "Nauka"(Science) (MLM) for the ISS.
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"Pro-Engineer"
this I found interesting among other items. Its very good software and should allow the company to design just about anything with proper training.
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December 6, 2012
Roscosmos entrusted RSC Energia with conducting activities under the International Space Station Scientific-Power Module Project.
The team from S.P. Korolev Rocket-Space Station Energia has won the tender announced in October 2012 by the Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos) for building Scientific-Power Module (SPM) for the International Space Station (ISS) Russian Segment (RS).
SPM operating as part of the station will increase the ISS RS power to weight ratio and free space volumes which will make it possible to significantly broaden the program of research and experiments to be carried out onboard the segment and improve conditions for cosmonauts work and rest.
Works on the module will be performed using the latest space technologies and outstanding achievements in international space industry.
The enterprise has accumulated its own considerable experience under SPM Project and is going to invite tender to arrange international cooperation in the SPM-related activities with the aim to build a product having technical-operational characteristics meeting the XXI century's challenge.
RSC Energia's management congratulates the enterprise work collective on the tender won and noting the importance of the commitments undertaken to build the module in the shortest possible time expresses confidence that all the employees who took part in the activities under SPM Project and would be involved in it at its subsequent phases will proceed to work with a sense of high responsibility for quality of work and meeting work schedule, with enthusiasm for creative activity and an initiative, in search of the latest scientific-technical and technological solutions to be subsequently implemented drawing our partners into the above activities as well.
For reference:
1.Under the contract terms, SPM is to be built through the end of 2015.
2.SPM service file is at least 17 years, of which the two years will be allocated for storage life and launch processing.
3.At the present time, five modules are operating within the ISS RS: Service Module Zvezda, Functional Cargo Block Zarya, docking module-compartment Pirs and small research modules Poisk and Rassvet.
http://www.energia.ru/en/news/news-2012/news_12-06.html
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http://www.i-mash.ru/news/nov_otrasl/28709-postrojjkojj-modulja-njem-1-dlja-mks-zajjmetsja.html
I will provide the Google translation of this web news:
The only competitor corporations in this tender was the State Research and Production Space Center Khrunichev.
RKK "Energy" to build a module for 15.15 billion rubles - that this was the initial (maximum) amount of the contract, the statement on the procurement.
Khrunichev center said the price of almost 2 billion less - 13.45 billion rubles, RIA "Novosti". However, its application is scored 42.97 points (43.82 points against the "Energy") because of the lower qualification assessment participant, exhibited by members of the commission.
Hmm. Don't know what to make of it, but one of my contacts for ERA just told me that the rumor flying around in his circles (think ESA and it's subcontractors) is that Khrunichev lost the contract for NEM-1 because of their constant delaying of MLM (Nauka).
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I never doubted the Russians on this one! I could say a bunch of childish things right now, but I will just sit back and 8)
...and say "I told you so!" ;D
::)
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http://www.i-mash.ru/news/nov_otrasl/28709-postrojjkojj-modulja-njem-1-dlja-mks-zajjmetsja.html
I will provide the Google translation of this web news:
The only competitor corporations in this tender was the State Research and Production Space Center Khrunichev.
RKK "Energy" to build a module for 15.15 billion rubles - that this was the initial (maximum) amount of the contract, the statement on the procurement.
Khrunichev center said the price of almost 2 billion less - 13.45 billion rubles, RIA "Novosti". However, its application is scored 42.97 points (43.82 points against the "Energy") because of the lower qualification assessment participant, exhibited by members of the commission.
Hmm. Don't know what to make of it, but one of my contacts for ERA just told me that the rumor flying around in his circles (think ESA and it's subcontractors) is that Khrunichev lost the contract for NEM-1 because of their constant delaying of MLM (Nauka).
I don't fully understand the companies in Russia. You saying Khrunichev lost the contract? Does this mean the group of companies that builds the Soyuz won the contract?
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Does this mean the group of companies that builds the Soyuz won the contract?
Yes. RKK Energiya, which builds the Soyuz spacecraft, won the contract.
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http://www.i-mash.ru/news/nov_otrasl/28709-postrojjkojj-modulja-njem-1-dlja-mks-zajjmetsja.html
I will provide the Google translation of this web news:
The only competitor corporations in this tender was the State Research and Production Space Center Khrunichev.
RKK "Energy" to build a module for 15.15 billion rubles - that this was the initial (maximum) amount of the contract, the statement on the procurement.
Khrunichev center said the price of almost 2 billion less - 13.45 billion rubles, RIA "Novosti". However, its application is scored 42.97 points (43.82 points against the "Energy") because of the lower qualification assessment participant, exhibited by members of the commission.
Hmm. Don't know what to make of it, but one of my contacts for ERA just told me that the rumor flying around in his circles (think ESA and it's subcontractors) is that Khrunichev lost the contract for NEM-1 because of their constant delaying of MLM (Nauka).
I don't fully understand the companies in Russia. You saying Khrunichev lost the contract? Does this mean the group of companies that builds the Soyuz won the contract?
Short rundown of the companies in Russia:
- Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center - builds Proton and Rockot boosters and constructed all Sovjet and Russian space stations;
- RKK Energia - developes and builds the Soyuz spacecraft. Now will also develop and build the NEM-1 module;
- TsSKB Progress - developes and builds several launchers: Soyuz FG, Soyuz U, Soyuz 2 and Molniya M.
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I'm assuming this contract includes design and construction. Or was the engineering work already in progress?
I didn't see any mentioning of plans for its twin module. From a cost effective POV, it would make sense to construct two of each part for this, as the second part would be required when (or if) the twin's contract gets bid.
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RKK Energiya publishes a good video on NEM-1 :
http://www.energia.ru:8080/ramgen/iss/spm.rm
The jettison of launch vehicle adapter seems quite strange and risky !
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http://news.mail.ru/inregions/center/36/economics/12068287/?frommail=1
Here is a story in Russian that mentions money and the Science Energy Module (link from the NK forum). Anyway, the story says Russian banks have lent some companies in Voronezh 1.5 billion rubles, so that the companies could modernize their production capability to be able to work on such projects as the Science Energy Module (in particular).
One of the companies is called "NPO Energia", but I suspect that it has no connection to RSC Energia.
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http://news.mail.ru/inregions/center/36/economics/12068287/?frommail=1
Here is a story in Russian that mentions money and the Science Energy Module (link from the NK forum). Anyway, the story says Russian banks have lent some companies in Voronezh 1.5 billion rubles, so that the companies could modernize their production capability to be able to work on such projects as the Science Energy Module (in particular).
One of the companies is called "NPO Energia", but I suspect that it has no connection to RSC Energia.
NPO Energia is an earlier name of RSC Energia. It's the same company.
What is known in the west today as RSC Energia has existed under such names as OKB-1, TsKBEM, NPO Energia and S.P. Korolyov RSC Energia.
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I know that RSC Energia used to be NPO Energia. I am suggesting that this Voronezh company has the same name, but is not connected with the Moscow based firm.
I could be wrong, but I am unaware of any presence by RSC Energia in Voronezh. When I was planning to travel to Voronezh, the Energia staff told me that Voronezh was a dangerous place, and that I shouldn't go there.
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The article reported that, LLC "MEL" and JSC "Orbita" make parts for the new space module NEM-1. If you look at civil products of these companies, then you can conclude that they do electromechanical and electronic components.
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Thanx for NK member Reader :)
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Thanx for NK member Reader :)
Here's a google translated version of the Science-Power Module-2 diagram.
Системы обеспечения жизнедеятельности = Life support systems
каюта = cabin
зоны грузоь и пн (Или каюта) = cargo and scientific equipment area (or cabin)
Пост управления = control station
зоны служебных систем = support system area
зоны средств медицинского обеспечения = Medical care area
EDIT: Added corrections made by 360-180
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Зоны грузов и ПН (Или каюта) = cargo area and (PAYLOAD literaly) scientific equipment area (or cabin)
ПН Полезная Нагрузка = Payload
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Cabin? Crew cabin?
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Cabin? Crew cabin?
Cabin = crew cabin = crew quarter. I'm assuming they'd be similar to the ones on Zvezda.
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Will that enable the russians to have four crews staying?
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Will that enable the russians to have four crews staying?
NEM will join the ISS in 2015-2016. Currently, 2020 is the end of the nominal existence of ISS. After 2020, no one can specify how many Russian crew members have. While the partners have not agreed to extend until 2028, RSOS will created as part of the future Russian station.
The size of the Russian part of the crew determined capacity of the Soyuz - 3 cosmonauts
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Will that enable the russians to have four crews staying?
No, it will enable them to keep three up there, once one of them gets booted out of the USOS CQs after the fourth USOS crewmember starts flying via commercial crew.
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Will that enable the russians to have four crews staying?
No, it will enable them to keep three up there, once one of them gets booted out of the USOS CQs after the fourth USOS crewmember starts flying via commercial crew.
I thought MLM would enable that already, maintaining three Russians once the fourth USOS crewmember starts flying?
Having additional CQs in the Science and Energy Modules could potentially allow more than three Russian crew on board.
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I thought MLM would enable that already, maintaining three Russians once the fourth USOS crewmember starts flying?
Having additional CQs in the Science and Energy Modules could potentially allow more than three Russian crew on board.
Oops - yes, you are quite correct. My bad - I got confused for a moment between the MLM and the NEMs.
If more Russian crews were to fly on ISS, then there would need to be some ECLSS updates. Of course, the CQs in the NEMs could be to allow for three crewmembers to live aboard the possible post-ISS Russian station consisting of the MLM + NEMs.
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NEM will join the ISS in 2015-2016. Currently, 2020 is the end of the nominal existence of ISS. After 2020, no one can specify how many Russian crew members have. While the partners have not agreed to extend until 2028, RSOS will created as part of the future Russian station.
On the question of ISS lifetime I think it will keep flying until something happens onboard serious enough that the station won't be able be to restored with any reasonable efforts, because it's in every participating agency's interest to keep current status quo. This will allow NASA to keep "building" Senate Launch System that apparently uses taxdollars as fuel as these dollars are the only thing that is burned in SLS. It will also allow RSA to keep doing what it's doing right now - which is building power point spacecraft and rockets, and same goes for ESA. Not sure about JAXA though, but anyways the point is - when ISS is no more, every agency will be forced to actually build and launch something, otherwise their budgets will disappear. Right now when they are asked about what they are doing, they point to ISS, and this obviously won't work after ISS.
As much as I hate this situation, I have to admit that this is what I think is going on with agencies as all of them love to talk about alrge-scale missions to Moon, Mars, NEA, you_name_it, but there is very little happening beyond these talks...
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Will that enable the russians to have four crews staying?
No, it will enable them to keep three up there, once one of them gets booted out of the USOS CQs after the fourth USOS crewmember starts flying via commercial crew.
I thought MLM would enable that already, maintaining three Russians once the fourth USOS crewmember starts flying?
Having additional CQs in the Science and Energy Modules could potentially allow more than three Russian crew on board.
SM:2 CQ (2 каюты) MLM:1 CQ (1 каюта) NEM-1:2-4 CQ (2-4 каюты) Sum 2+1+4=7
According NK forum NEM-1 is backup SM http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum10/topic9884/message960358/#message960358
"One of the NEMs is to become a backup SM and to serve as the SM when [RSOS] undocking from the ISS without SM or SM failure."
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On the question of ISS lifetime I think it will keep flying until something happens onboard serious enough that the station won't be able be to restored with any reasonable efforts, because it's in every participating agency's interest to keep current status quo. ...
Yes. Term existence of the station can be substantially longer than the duration of the individual modules. In the RSA developed the concept of "immortal station" and started to implement. Node module UM and the Scientific-energy modules NeEM-1 and NEM-2 are elements of the concept.
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Cabin? Crew cabin?
Cabin = crew cabin = crew quarter. I'm assuming they'd similar to the ones on Zvezda.
Каюта from the Dutch word Kajuit ( http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kajuit ) or the German word Kajüte ( http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaj%C3%BCte ).
Probably, blue CQ will be like in the SM module, yellow CQ as CQ USOS.
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Will that enable the russians to have four crews staying?
NEM will join the ISS in 2015-2016. Currently, 2020 is the end of the nominal existence of ISS. After 2020, no one can specify how many Russian crew members have. While the partners have not agreed to extend until 2028, RSOS will created as part of the future Russian station.
The size of the Russian part of the crew determined capacity of the Soyuz - 3 cosmonauts
We need to consider both as possibilities. That there could be an independent Russian station after 2020, or they'll recertify ISS to go on until at least 2028. As the station advances in its age, we may learn that it just isn't worth it to keep it going beyond 2020, or we may learn that its condition is better than expected. In the later scenario, it makes sense to keep it going as long as it remains healthy enough where the cost to keep it that way isn't prohibitedly expensive.
Will the other power and science module also have a cabin? If so, in total, between the Russian modules, how many cabins in total are there? Plus, there's four US cabins, correct? Will this make up for what was lost when the US Habitation Module was cancelled?
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Will that enable the russians to have four crews staying?
No, it will enable them to keep three up there, once one of them gets booted out of the USOS CQs after the fourth USOS crewmember starts flying via commercial crew.
Or temporary quarters for short duration Soyuz visits or Soyuz Expedition hand off visits?
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Will that enable the russians to have four crews staying?
No, it will enable them to keep three up there, once one of them gets booted out of the USOS CQs after the fourth USOS crewmember starts flying via commercial crew.
Or temporary quarters for short duration Soyuz visits or Soyuz Expedition hand off visits?
like paying passengers?
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Will that enable the russians to have four crews staying?
No, it will enable them to keep three up there, once one of them gets booted out of the USOS CQs after the fourth USOS crewmember starts flying via commercial crew.
Or temporary quarters for short duration Soyuz visits or Soyuz Expedition hand off visits?
like paying passengers?
Or direct handover of the US crew?
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RSC Energia has made the device for the simulation of interior. Will they do the standard rack?
http://rsc-etestpilot.blogspot.ru/2013/06/blog-post_5.html
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Just looking through the documentation noticed that NEM is to be used to store propellant?
3.2.3.3 Гидравлический интерфейс должен обеспечивать:
− герметичное соединение топливных магистралей НЭМ и УМ и передачу топлива из ОДУ НЭМ в ТМДТ УМ и обратно;
− разъединение топливных магистралей НЭМ и УМ при отделении НЭМ от УМ по завершении полета НЭМ.
2) для динамических операций по управлению движением МКС (изменение углов крена) на этапах полета в составе РС МКС;
− хранение запаса топлива;
− перекачку топлива из кораблей и модулей РС МКС посредством ТМДТ УМ в топливные баки ОДУ НЭМ и обратно;
− проверку на герметичность состыкованных магистралей дозаправки ОДУ НЭМ и УМ;
− дренаж компонентов топлива при продувке магистралей дозаправки топливом перед отделением кораблей от УМ.
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=4577238
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Given the NEMs are designed as part of the separate OPSEK station, prop tanks would/should be part of the design.
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Like FGB or MLM
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By order of RSC Energia aerodynamic research of the Ascent Unit for the ISS Science-Power Module is conducted at TsAGI
http://www.energia.ru/en/news/news-2014/news_01-30.html
Phase I of aerodynamic research of a new Ascent Unit (AU) intended for delivery to the International Space Station (ISS) of Science-Power Module (SPM) to be developed by RSC Energia in cooperation with industry enterprises has been competed.
For reference:
The Science-Power Module delivery to the ISS is scheduled to be provided in 2017 or 2018 using Proton-M launch vehicle (LV). The new Ascent Unit development is caused by the fact that SPM dimensions exceed standard dimensions of this LV.
Ascent Unit ? What's differences payload shroud?
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Ascent Unit ? What's differences payload shroud?
Fairings+Payload
Ascent Unit (КГЧ - космическая головная часть) is a complicated structure. It comprises a lower fairing (ОПО - "support-transition compartment"), payload (НЭМ) and an upper fairing (ГО).
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Will they do like with FGB and cover some parts with fairing and some let exposed, or are they going to use the 5m fairing?
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Will they do like with FGB and cover some parts with fairing and some let exposed, or are they going to use the 5m fairing?
Looks more like the latter, but kind of looks wider than that in the picture from the wind tunnel test. Two ascent units appear to be ordered for launch 2017, 2018 to launch SPM modules to ISS.
January 30, 2014
By order of RSC Energia aerodynamic research of the Ascent Unit for the ISS Science-Power Module is conducted at TsAGI
Phase I of aerodynamic research of a new Ascent Unit (AU) intended for delivery to the International Space Station (ISS) of Science-Power Module (SPM) to be developed by RSC Energia in cooperation with industry enterprises has been competed.
TsAGI task in this project is to investigate the AU aerodynamics in a wide speed range. Preliminary studies were conducted in 2012 on a small model (a scale of 1:80) in the wind tunnels of machine-building TsNII. The tests at TsAGI are carried out on the model at a 1:20 scale.
The first part of the research program was implemented at TsAGI using wind tunnel Т-109, beginning with December 2013. Currently the model aerodynamic tests are conduced in transonic wind tunnel Т-128.
Hereinafter scientists and specialists are to process and analyze the obtained results.
For reference:
The Science-Power Module delivery to the ISS is scheduled to be provided in 2017 or 2018 using Proton-M launch vehicle (LV). The new Ascent Unit development is caused by the fact that SPM dimensions exceed standard dimensions of this LV.
Information on research conducted at TsAGI is available at the Institute site: http://www.tsagi.ru/pressroom/news/1045/
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Will they do like with FGB and cover some parts with fairing and some let exposed, or are they going to use the 5m fairing?
The wide part will be left exposed. A top fairing covers the docking end and a lower fairing covers the small diameter part. Unless they have changed their minds lately. The RSC Energia video linked by Nicolas PILLET upthread (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=29307.msg993379#msg993379) shows this most clearly.
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Will they do like with FGB and cover some parts with fairing and some let exposed, or are they going to use the 5m fairing?
More likely to be as a module Zvezda. The module will be protected lower fairing(ОПО), module's side is opened, the top will be upper fairing(ГО) like Dragon.
This design will not alter the existing launch pad
see http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=29307.msg928378#msg928378
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Time for some perspective here.
RSC Energia normally does not create the hulls used for large pressurized space platforms. The FGB class hulls (2.9 meter diameter) and the Salyut class hulls (4.1 meter) are made at Khrunichev, and Energia's role is final assembly, a system that has been in place for over 40 years.
However, Energia is demonstrating that it can produce 3.3 meter diameter hulls (Node module), and with the the Science Energy Modules, is planning to build 4.3 meter diameter hulls, thus bypassing Khrunichev's traditional role.
What is significant, as well, is that the 4.3 meter hull is too large for existing payload shrouds, which begs the question as to why Energia is baselining a design that cannot easily be flown with existing launchers. Moreover, why a 3.3 meter diameter for the Node module? This all points to tooling for these systems being "imported" from somewhere else, or else Energia is planning a new launcher that can accommodate 4.3 meter diameter hulls.
For some background on this issue, tooling for large diameters is a big, big issue in aerospace. It is trivial to lengthen tanks, but to make them wider costs large money. SpaceX chose to make Falcon 9 1.1 longer than 1.0 precisely for this reason.
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For starters, it could signal a move to 5m fairings. At 4.3 it might fit in an An-124.
And once you decide on a new tooling (because you decided you can take that business of a competitor that jas been messing everything it touched for the las 15 years), you might as well go and order at whatever diameter you see fit.
The 3.3m point to a possible Progress new pressurized compartment.
But I can't stop thinking that 4.3m sounds to a possible export product.
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For starters, it could signal a move to 5m fairings. At 4.3 it might fit in an An-124.
Please remind us why RSC Energia would care about a 5 meter payload fairing.
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What is significant, as well, is that the 4.3 meter hull is too large for existing payload shrouds, which begs the question as to why Energia is baselining a design that cannot easily be flown with existing launchers.
While true of existing designs, the future Angara-3 Will use a 4.3 meter fairing according to Russian web:
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara3.html
If they are trying to make a continuing series of modules rather than a one off, would be entirely logical to use the new diameter as a baseline rather than the old one.
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What is significant, as well, is that the 4.3 meter hull is too large for existing payload shrouds, which begs the question as to why Energia is baselining a design that cannot easily be flown with existing launchers.
While true of existing designs, the future Angara-3 Will use a 4.3 meter fairing according to Russian web:
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara3.html
If they are trying to make a continuing series of modules rather than a one off, would be entirely logical to use the new diameter as a baseline rather than the old one.
and the same page says: "The standard version of the Angara-3 would borrow the payload fairing from the Proton rocket" which implies that the outer diameter of the Proton fairing is 4350 mm.
Or else it's an error.
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How will they deliver it to the launch site?
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For starters, it could signal a move to 5m fairings. At 4.3 it might fit in an An-124.
Please remind us why RSC Energia would care about a 5 meter payload fairing.
Many reasons. As I said, I'm speculating that if they are not expecting to sell a hull to China, they are expecting to use it on whatever BEO station NASA desides to pursue. In which case, it might as well fly in SLS (or NASA supplied LV).
Besides, Falcon 9, GSLV MkIII and LM-5 all sporting 5m fairing, I believe the Russians might have to finally implement one. At least on Angara-3/5.
Of course that the diameter does seems to coincide with the Proton's fairing.
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How will they deliver it to the launch site?
An-124?
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How will they deliver it to the launch site?
An-124?
AN-124 Hold dimension 43.70 x 6.40 x 4.40 Meters
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How will they deliver it to the launch site?
The payload fairing or the 4.3m diameter module? Either should work by air. Or rail. The 4.1m diameter limit is for longer stages - it is quite possible that a shorter rail car could transport something slightly wider.
If you mean the fairing, it will split into at least two pieces.
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NEM as SM 4350mm wide
transport AN-124
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360-180, can you say why it is launched with the 4.35 m section forward, rather than aft like Zvezda?
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360-180, can you say why it is launched with the 4.35 m section forward, rather than aft like Zvezda?
Nah, both Zvezda (DOS type modules) and Zarya (TKS type modules) are launched with their aft connected to the Proton's third stage.
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360-180, can you say why it is launched with the 4.35 m section forward, rather than aft like Zvezda?
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/forum10/topic9884/?PAGEN_1=7
This issue was discussed at the forum NK in 2011. http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/forum10/topic9884/?PAGEN_1=7 RSCE insider said "Если перевернуть модуль вверх ногами все будет намного хуже."
If you turn the unit upside down, things will be much worse.
Perhaps, equipment compartment (PAO) so massive that run it on top of the fairing is not optimal.
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360-180, can you say why it is launched with the 4.35 m section forward, rather than aft like Zvezda?
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/forum10/topic9884/?PAGEN_1=7
This issue was discussed at the forum NK in 2011. http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/forum10/topic9884/?PAGEN_1=7 RSCE insider said "Если перевернуть модуль вверх ногами все будет намного хуже."
If you turn the unit upside down, things will be much worse.
Perhaps, equipment compartment (PAO) so massive that run it on top of the fairing is not optimal.
Asked one of my sources if she could confirm this and she replied that the decision to turn the module upside down is partly driven by weight distribution issues. That seems to more-or-less confirm your take of things.
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RSC Energia boss Vitaly Lopota said in an interview yesterday (http://itar-tass.com/opinions/interviews/2065) that the NEM should be ready by the end of 2016 for launch in 2017.
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RSC Energia simulate the working day of the crew in NEM.
02.03.2018
At the end of March, RSC Energia will host an experiment to simulate the crew's onboard activities in the ergonomic model of the Scientific and Energy Module (NEM)...
https://www.energia.ru/ru/news/news-2018/news_03-02.html
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Internal layout of the pressurized section of the NEM module. Credit: RKK Energia
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"NEM simulator" (not the "RKK Energia" version)
https://www.simct.ru/
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https://www.energia.ru/ru/news/news-2018/news_03-15.html
"RKK Energia completes the preparation of the experiment on the the NEM mockup
03/15/2018
Employees of the flight testing division RKK Energia, discussed with representatives of the Institute of Biomedical Problems of the Russian Academy of Sciences (IBMP RAS), a joint modeling activities aboard the experienced crew in the ergonomic layout of the Scientific Module and Power (NEM).
The tests will begin in April. At that moment, a test team and a team will be formed, which will include the staff of the Institute.
- The joint work of test engineers and researchers is more important than ever. IBMP to participate in this experiment is interesting as biomedical point of view to test the interaction between the crew members, and working on the target hardware, - said the head of the Department of the Russian Academy of Sciences Institute biomedical problems, Mark Belakovsky.
It is expected that the modeling of the on board crew experience in the ergonomic layout of the scientific and power module will be performed three times, with a different composition of the crew. The IBMP will deliver some of the existing scientific medical equipment on board the research model.
In turn, "Energia" representatives will participate in the "Sirius" program and other IBMP experiments.
- We are working on a single integrated space exploration program and, therefore, not considering as a guest appearance, as well as a single integrated work program on the development of advanced space systems for space exploration in the world's future - said the head of the Division of Flight Test RKK "Energia" Mark Serov."
(google translation)
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RSC Energia. Experiment on modelling of crew activities on NEM model.
27.04.2018
Employees of the flight Test Department of RSC Energia (included in "Roscosmos") with representatives of the Institute of Medico-Biological Problems of the Russian Academy of Sciences (Ibmp RAS) and the Cosmonaut Training Center "Yuri Gagarin" perform an experiment on modelling of crew board activity in the ergonomic model of the Scientific-energy Module (NEM).
The Test team consisted of two crews and a team of specialists, which performed the functions of the Mission Control Centre (MCC). The conditional flight plan of the cosmonauts and layout equipment in this experiment were selected in such a way as to assess the interaction between the crew, equipment and functional areas of the module.
The experiment, which took place on April 24 and 26, simulated a three-person crew working day: Manual docking mode with cargo ship, work with scientific equipment, maintenance and repair of the module.
In the future on the layout it is planned to carry out experimental development of on-board instructions and methodologies on this module, as well as documentation on its integration into the Russian segment of the ISS. The evaluation of ergonomics will be carried out already in the next stage of Creation of NEM flight model.
Mark Serov, the organizer of the experiment, the head of the flight testing Department of RSC Energia: "We formed crews from those who participated in the preparation of the experiment: the commander of CTC, an engineer from RSC energia ", a researcher-from ibmp.
It is the model of the crews of the future, most effective when each fulfills its function.
The results of the experiment convincingly prove that designers competently approached the design of the module, took into account the offers of astronauts, and questions of technical aesthetics. Proposals and comments, in fact, appeared not so much, and all of them will be included in the reporting documentation.
At the transition to the stage of manufacturing of a flight product it is possible to say safely that ergonomic provision of NEMis carried out by us in full volume ".
https://www.roscosmos.ru/25013/
(Bing translator)
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RSC Energia: life tests on the SMP module continue
July 19, 2018
By order of RSC Energia, the prime research organization federal state unitary enterprise TsNIIMash is conducting tests on pressurized and unpressurized hulls of the Science and Power Module (SPM).
The phase of static tests on the pressurized hull of the module and the truss structure of the unpressurized hull, which confirmed compliance with their strength requirements, has been successfully completed. Now, the life tests need to verify the compliance of the SPM hulls with the requirements of the specifications according to which their life in orbit shall be 15 years.
When in orbit, the module structure is subjected to loads occurring during dockings, orbit corrections and crew activities. Life tests are conducted on the basis of analysis of the whole spectrum of these loads. The spots carrying the highest loads are the solar panels deployment mechanism, the docking assembly attachment zone, and the so called passive base point – the bracket on the hull that cosmonauts latch on to during space walks. These are the spots that are loaded during tests in heavy-duty mode in as many cycles as they would have been subjected to in orbit over a period of 15 years taking safety factors into account. At present the pressurized hull has already been loaded with three years’ worth of cycles, the unpressurized hull life tests are starting.
Simulated inside the pressurized hull during the tests is overpressure – just like in orbit. For this purpose it is filled with water, and the upper portion is pumped with air pressurized to one atmosphere. If through-the-wall cracks appear in the hull, the pressure will drop, but the developers are certain that it won’t come to that.
- Waffle-grid structure of the hull walls, having the 2.5 mm thick web and 24 mm high waffle provides strength that is equivalent to 9 mm thick solid material, while being almost 3 times lighter, - said Alexei Kremlev, engineer of the Corporation advanced products structural strength department.
Altogether, three SPM hulls have been built: two mockups for static, life, vibration strength, modal tests and for trying out crew actions in the neutral buoyancy lab, as well as a hull for flight tests.
The completion of life tests is expected in February 2019, after which the SPM pressurized compartment will go the Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center where it will be used for training.
https://www.energia.ru/en/news/news-2018/news_07-19_1.html