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General Discussion => Live Event Section - Latest Space Flight News => Topic started by: Danderman on 07/25/2011 09:46 pm
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Those that can't make the NewSpace 2011 Conference don't have to miss out. Tune into www.Spacevidcast.com to watch the live stream of the conference and send in questions for the panelists via the chat feature. All the panels, lunch events, and even the NewSpace Awards Gala will be streamed on July 28-30. Set your calendar to watch what the leaders of the space industry have to say about expanding our foothold in space and read live commentary on Twitter by searching for the hashtag #NewSpace2011!
The conference starts at 8:00-8:30am and runs until 5:00-6:00pm Pacific Standard Time, and the Gala from 6:00-10:00pm. The full agenda is available online. The conference organizers ask those attending to share the link for the Spacevidcast stream with their friends and colleagues back home, and to post updates on their favorite social media platform.
For more information, visit newspace.spacefrontier.org
end of blurb. I checked out the agenda at:
http://newspace2011.spacefrontier.org/agenda/
and its filled with the people at NASA and the various companies that everyone here either loves or hates. There's a whole session just on SpaceX. ::)
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The conference starts at 8:00-8:30am and runs until 5:00-6:00pm Pacific Standard Time, and the Gala from 6:00-10:00pm.
Those times are off by an hour, it's 8am - 6pm Pacific Daylight Time, which translates to 11am EDT / 15 UTC.
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I will try and catch the Spacex session. Really want to see if they mention anything new.
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I'm hoping they archive it too - I won't be able to watch it all live but am looking forward to whatever I can find...
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We'll work on the archive like we did last year. Problem is that neither Cariann nor myself are able to attend in person and instead we're sending a proxy and our gear. If he remembers to grab the archives we should be golden. If not, I have a backup plan, but that doesn't always work. We'll do our best though.
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For those who care, Altius will be pitching its business plan during the biz plan competition on Friday morning sometime in the 9-10:30am (Pacific) block.
~Jon
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For those who care, Altius will be pitching its business plan during the biz plan competition on Friday morning sometime in the 9-10:30am (Pacific) block.
~Jon
Sounds like a plan! :)
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Predictable me, noticed "Mark Sirangelo Chairman, Sierra Nevada Space Systems" for some Dream Chaser hugging.
Bob Cabana for some KSC promoting. Max Vozoff is always good.
Are you going to the event Jon?
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Predictable me, noticed "Mark Sirangelo Chairman, Sierra Nevada Space Systems" for some Dream Chaser hugging.
Bob Cabana for some KSC promoting. Max Vozoff is always good.
Are you going to the event Jon?
Well, I'm representing one of the five competitors in the business plan competition, so I probably ought to go... ;-)
~Jon
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For those who care, Altius will be pitching its business plan during the biz plan competition on Friday morning sometime in the 9-10:30am (Pacific) block.
~Jon
I'll be cheering you on! Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women!
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FYI, if you want to sign up for the chat, your username and email have to begin with a letter, not a number.
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The conference is now live at www.spacevidcast.com.
Jim Muncy of the Space Frontier Foundation is doing the opening remarks followed by Lori Garver Deputy Administrator for NASA.
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Interesting talk by ULA on secondary payloads... most interesting to me was the proposed mod of the secondary payload adapter into a solar-electric third stage which would make it possible to inject the secondary payload at almost any kind of orbit (and send many different secondary payloads to different orbits per launch... single-launch nearly-Orbcomm-like constellation as a secondary payload?), including escape.
Started a thread about it here: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=26232.msg784932#msg784932 (please add any more information if you know any!)
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Good talk by Charles Miller, Senior Advisor (sp) for Commercial Space, NASA.
Talked about the background of NACA, why it was founded, the Wright Brothers, etc.
Is the video archived somewhere?
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Interesting talk by ULA on secondary payloads... most interesting to me was the proposed mod of the secondary payload adapter into a solar-electric third stage which would make it possible to inject the secondary payload at almost any kind of orbit (and send many different secondary payloads to different orbits per launch... single-launch nearly-Orbcomm-like constellation as a secondary payload?), including escape.
Started a thread about it here: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=26232.msg784932#msg784932 (please add any more information if you know any!)
The biggest problem for secondary payloads has always been schedule. The technical stuff is minor.
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Been seeing news clips from this on twitter all day. Very interesting stuff!
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Interesting talk by ULA on secondary payloads... most interesting to me was the proposed mod of the secondary payload adapter into a solar-electric third stage which would make it possible to inject the secondary payload at almost any kind of orbit (and send many different secondary payloads to different orbits per launch... single-launch nearly-Orbcomm-like constellation as a secondary payload?), including escape.
Started a thread about it here: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=26232.msg784932#msg784932 (please add any more information if you know any!)
The biggest problem for secondary payloads has always been schedule. The technical stuff is minor.
What do you mean by that? Do you mean that the secondary payload is held up by the primary (and possibly vice versa!)?
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We'll work on the archive like we did last year. Problem is that neither Cariann nor myself are able to attend in person and instead we're sending a proxy and our gear. If he remembers to grab the archives we should be golden. If not, I have a backup plan, but that doesn't always work. We'll do our best though.
Looks like a good stream and set up, even on my rubbish PC ;D
Bob Cabana currently on the comfy sofa.
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Only 100 viewers on the counter.
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I couldn't keep the feed running smooth enough to actually follow the discussions. Gotta love Verizon's network, all I can get here in the countryside :)
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My the 5:00PM-5:30PM slot could be interesting depending on who shows up to ask questions.
NASA's Challenges Certifying and Acquiring Commercial Crew Transportation Services
NASA Inspector General Paul Martin discusses his recent report on the difficulties facing NASA as they look to commercial companies to get their astronauts to the International Space Station and Low-Earth Orbit.
BTW anyone have a link to Mr. Martin's report?
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What do you mean by that? Do you mean that the secondary payload is held up by the primary (and possibly vice versa!)?
Yes. Or the primary doesn't want a secondary hanging around its launch. Secondary payloads have gotten jerked around by the owners of primary payloads a lot. It's one of the things that has really wounded the cubesat community--they build something fast and then end up waiting years to get a launch. You can find a lot of info about this if you dig around a bit.
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Erica suggests shooting porn in space... :D
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Well this is even less interesting than one would expect from a lawyer.
:D
(video link is down)
BTW they apparently are archiving these, how you get access is another question.
Edit: There is a link to the archives on the page. I don't know how soon these will be posted.
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Video link backup, Mark Sirangelo, Chairman of Sierra Nevada Space Systems on stage.
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Sirangelo: Dream Chaser will have “no” black zones…. :)
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Dream Chaser glide tests in July 2012. The project is ahead of schedule.
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Sirangelo: Dream Chaser will have “no” black zones…. :)
But... but... but... how? It's flying on an EELV! ;D
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a couple of grabs
Some nice images of NASA heritage for the DC
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Sirangelo: Maybe months on orbit
:touchdown at 185
: Replaceable large section ablative TPS
: Engine size of SS1
: Ethanol RCS
: Possible version with airlock
: Unmanned version as well
“Shuttle lives on in Dream Chaser” :)
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Sierangelo also said that you could have a Dream Chaser with an arm attached to it. That would be cool!
I am sure that Canada would like to contribute to that if NASA asked them.
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Sierangelo also said that you could have a Dream Chaser with an arm attached to it. That would be cool!
I am sure that Canada would like to contribute to that if NASA asked them.
Yes, that would be cool! :)
We can possibly barter a few seats in exchange...hehe ;)
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Where would the arm be attached? There's no payload bay.
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I know that Chris Hadfield would want to fly it for sure... ;)
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Where would the arm be attached? There's no payload bay.
He is going to make different versions...
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A version with a payload bay? Source, please?
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A version with a payload bay? Source, please?
During the video he said with the molds he could make up all kinds of versions. I hope they post the video, so I could watch it again.
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He mentioned a couple of times that they were looking into a satellite-servicing version with a partner (can't remember who at the minute), which I presume would be where the robo-arm would come in?
In addition to the TPS info already posted by Rocket Science, Sirangelo also said it was being developed with Ames and (I think...) that it was a tile system (able to replace many at once?), topped with an ablative layer. Hoped for it to be multi-use.
Can't wait to see the drop tests and finished vehicle :)
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A version with a payload bay? Source, please?
He said that they could add an airlock with manipulator arms. So I imagine that it would be some kind of external module.
He also said that they were working with MacDonald Dettwiler (MDA) to allow Dream Chaser to be able to service satellites. MDA is the Canadian company that makes the Canadarm.
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Ah bollocks, I missed Dream Chaser!! :(
“Shuttle lives on in Dream Chaser” :)
Huzzah! Yay for baby orbiters!
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Ah bollocks, I missed Dream Chaser!! :(
“Shuttle lives on in Dream Chaser” :)
Huzzah! Yay for baby orbiters!
I recorded it but it if it's copyrighted, I am not sure if I can post it.
Edit:
The organizers have now posted the video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7sWtEAddkM
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Ah bollocks, I missed Dream Chaser!! :(
“Shuttle lives on in Dream Chaser” :)
Huzzah! Yay for baby orbiters!
I recorded it but it if it's copyrighted, I am not sure if I can post it.
You rock yg! I guess you can always ask them via email.
Robert :)
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“Shuttle lives on in Dream Chaser”
ah...not really no. Dreamchaser is a lifting body, shuttle is a delta wing vehicle. Oh well......
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“Shuttle lives on in Dream Chaser”
ah...not really no. Dreamchaser is a lifting body, shuttle is a delta wing vehicle. Oh well......
He was talking about the technology and lessons learned…Oh well.....
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Yes, but, I have heard this misspeak repeated a number of times on this website and many other websites and it does not do any favors to the people who did the research and development on lifting body technologies. They truly deserve their time in the spotlight once Dreamchaser is up and operational.
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Yes, but, I have heard this misspeak repeated a number of times on this website and many other websites and it does not do any favors to the people who did the research and development on lifting body technologies. They truly deserve their time in the spotlight once Dreamchaser is up and operational.
Mark,
We’ve been over this before… You are a bit “too rigid” in what a lifting body is. Even an Apollo type capsule uses lifting entry with CG to affect its stability and crossrange. The HL-020/Dream Chaser is a winged lifting body with elevons on the highly dihedral wings with an aerofoil cross section. The closest of the “pure” lifting body is the half-cone M2-F1. If Dale Reed believed that the Shuttle was a derivative of his lifting body research that’s good enough for me.
Regards
Robert
http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4220/ch1.htm
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He also said that they were working with MacDonald Dettwiler (MDA) to allow Dream Chaser to be able to service satellites. MDA is the Canadian company that makes the Canadarm.
Unfortunately, that is now 'made', not 'make', that Canadarms. But they are working on a next gen unit for Orbital out of carbon fiber and that telescopes out. Cute little unit, and the woman I saw working on it looks good too ;)
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Yes, but, I have heard this misspeak repeated a number of times on this website and many other websites and it does not do any favors to the people who did the research and development on lifting body technologies. They truly deserve their time in the spotlight once Dreamchaser is up and operational.
During Sierangelo's speech, there was a video that was shown that was a tribute to the people that worked on the HL-20 and Sierangelo also spoke of one engineer that worked on the BOR-4 that he spoke to when visiting Russia to learn more about the BOR-4. He mentionned the fact that they would carry the name of that engineer on the Dream Chaser per his request prior to dying (which he transmitted through his daughter after his death).
Sierangelo also mentionned that when the Australian spy plane took pictures of the BOR-4 at sea, the Russians were taking pictures of the spy plane at the same time. :)
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Yes, but, I have heard this misspeak repeated a number of times on this website and many other websites and it does not do any favors to the people who did the research and development on lifting body technologies. They truly deserve their time in the spotlight once Dreamchaser is up and operational.
During Sierangelo's speech, there was a video that was shown that was a tribute to the people that worked on the HL-20 and Sierangelo also spoke of one engineer that worked on the BOR-4 that he spoke to when visiting Russia to learn more about the BOR-4. He mentionned the fact that they would carry the name of that engineer on the Dream Chaser per his request prior to dying (which he transmitted through his daughter after his death).
People tend to forget that the Russian BOR-4 got its ideas from the USAF X-23 Prime including NASA and should stop kissing up to the Russians on their own site. I know they need the rides… but please already!
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/prime.htm
Regards
Robert
P.S. Check out the USAF Orbital X-24 concept
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Jon Goff is on!
http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/spacevidcast
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Altius Space Machine's Electroadhesive "Sticky-Boom"... Great idea!
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Let me see if I got this right (sorry, wasn't watching the stream - trying to follow via Twitter): ;)
An upper stage would rendezvous with the ISS, then get grabbed by the sticky boom and brought toward the ISS. Then nanosats would then be brought inside the ISS via the JEM airlock? Or would there be some sort of nanosat launcher attached to the sticky boom?
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Space Pete,
I'll try to do some sort of Q&A later on over on the Altius thread. Currently rooting for our bpc competition. I had to gloss on a lot of the technical details, since this was a business pitch.
Jon
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Hey Pete,
I found this, have a look in the mean time...
Regards
Robert
http://blog.altius-space.com/2011/04/electroadhesive-sticky-boom-rendezvous-an-introduction/
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Sierangelo also mentionned that when the Australian spy plane took pictures of the BOR-4 at sea, the Russians were taking pictures of the spy plane at the same time. :)
I think that both those pics are in the Energia book by Hendrickx. But the Aussies clearly got the better part of the deal, because they were simply flying a common boring P-3 Orion.
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Cool, thanks Jon and Rocket Science.
Sounds like an interesting concept for sure (but you know I'm biased when it comes to ISS hardware). ;)
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Ah bollocks, I missed Dream Chaser!! :(
“Shuttle lives on in Dream Chaser” :)
Huzzah! Yay for baby orbiters!
I recorded it but it if it's copyrighted, I am not sure if I can post it.
Yeah, I think that would require permission from SVC and NewSpace2011. Let's see if Ben's managed to archive it and it'd be hosted on SVC.
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Yay! Students up with "Space Bars" Go Girls!! :)
aka: Brainstorm Bars
Flew on STS-134
Great reps for STEM
These girls stabilized DHA and getting a patent for it.
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We'll work on the archive like we did last year. Problem is that neither Cariann nor myself are able to attend in person and instead we're sending a proxy and our gear. If he remembers to grab the archives we should be golden. If not, I have a backup plan, but that doesn't always work. We'll do our best though.
Best of luck on archiving it.
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Sirangelo: Maybe months on orbit
Docked to the station or free-flying? Manned or unmanned?
He also said that they were working with MacDonald Dettwiler (MDA) to allow Dream Chaser to be able to service satellites. MDA is the Canadian company that makes the Canadarm.
But they are working on a next gen unit...that telescopes out.
Like the Strela cranes?
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Sirangelo: Maybe months on orbit
Docked to the station or free-flying? Manned or unmanned?
I don't think he specified it unless I missed it. I assume on station, unless he has a mission module attached to it. Or mods it to an X-37 like craft. I really would like to hear/see it again.
Robert
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Best of luck on archiving it.
SVC says they did archive everything and they won't be posted until the conference ends.
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Sirangelo: Maybe months on orbit
Docked to the station or free-flying? Manned or unmanned?
I don't think he specified it unless I missed it. I assume on station, unless he has a mission module attached to it. Or mods it to an X-37 like craft.
Seems strange to say maybe months attached to station but commercial crew requires it to stay docked for 210 days (7 months).
Best of luck on archiving it.
SVC says they did archive everything and they won't be posted until the conference ends.
Thanks for the info, I look forward to watching it.
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Sirangelo: Maybe months on orbit
Docked to the station or free-flying? Manned or unmanned?
I don't think he specified it unless I missed it. I assume on station, unless he has a mission module attached to it. Or mods it to an X-37 like craft.
Seems strange to say maybe months attached to station but commercial crew requires it to stay docked for 210 days (7 months).
Best of luck on archiving it.
SVC says they did archive everything and they won't be posted until the conference ends.
Thanks for the info, I look forward to watching it.
He was dropping all kinds of surprises last night. Look in the Dream Chaser Q&A for some more.
Robert
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Yay! Students up with "Space Bars" Go Girls!! :)
aka: Brainstorm Bars
Flew on STS-134
Great reps for STEM
These girls stabilized DHA and getting a patent for it.
They did an awesome job. I was flat-out impressed.
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Lots of talk about composite LOX/RP-1 USAF joint NASA Liquid Flyback Booster... Pushing reusability in the >90% range.
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Sirangelo: Maybe months on orbit
Docked to the station or free-flying? Manned or unmanned?
He also said that they were working with MacDonald Dettwiler (MDA) to allow Dream Chaser to be able to service satellites. MDA is the Canadian company that makes the Canadarm.
But they are working on a next gen unit...that telescopes out.
Like the Strela cranes?
See here: http://www.asc-csa.gc.ca/eng/canadarm/ngc.asp
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Rick Tumilison Co-Founder Space Frontier Foundation:
“SLS must die”
-Orion ended
-COTS, CCDev end it as it is
-Outsourcing to the Russians insane
-Goal of the United States should be permanent settlement
-New Space is an industry doing something with a purpose; it is the engine that will power the movement
-Reinvigorate the Space Settlement Act
-Repurpose the space agency rewrite the NASA charter to incorporate settlement
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Rick Tumilison Co-Founder Space Frontier Foundation:
“SLS must die”
-Orion ended
-COTS, CCDev end it as it is
-Outsourcing to the Russians insane
-Goal of the United States should be permanent settlement
-New Space is an industry doing something with a purpose; it is the engine that will power the movement
-Reinvigorate the Space Settlement Act
-Repurpose the space agency rewrite the NASA charter to incorporate settlement
End COTS and CCDEV?
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Rick Tumilison Co-Founder Space Frontier Foundation:
“SLS must die”
-Orion ended
-COTS, CCDev end it as it is
-Outsourcing to the Russians insane
-Repurpose the space agency rewrite the NASA charter to incorporate settlement
Yet more realistic, down-to-Earth "insight" from Tumlinson. ::)
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Rick Tumilison Co-Founder Space Frontier Foundation:
“SLS must die”
-Orion ended
-COTS, CCDev end it as it is
-Outsourcing to the Russians insane
-Goal of the United States should be permanent settlement
-New Space is an industry doing something with a purpose; it is the engine that will power the movement
-Reinvigorate the Space Settlement Act
-Repurpose the space agency rewrite the NASA charter to incorporate settlement
End COTS and CCDEV?
I seems that he thinks NASA people just get in the way.
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Rick Tumilison Co-Founder Space Frontier Foundation:
“SLS must die”
-Orion ended
-COTS, CCDev end it as it is
-Outsourcing to the Russians insane
-Goal of the United States should be permanent settlement
-New Space is an industry doing something with a purpose; it is the engine that will power the movement
-Reinvigorate the Space Settlement Act
-Repurpose the space agency rewrite the NASA charter to incorporate settlement
The COTS/CCEV reference is because some people believe that there are better ways for NASA to buy goods and services from the private sector than those two approaches.
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Jon won! Congratulations!
(http://www.popchampagne.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Champagne.jpg)
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Jon won! Congratulations!
Awesome, great work Jon! The sticky boom looks very interesting indeed...
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To answer the questions about NS11 archives, all sessions should have been recorded. I'm waiting on them to come back to Minneapolis this weekend where I'll upload them in full to YouTube. No Spacevidcast epic subscription will be required, they will be free and clear for all to watch.
However, due to our move to LA some stuff may get delayed. We're working on it though and hope that we can get all of it online very soon. Typically we try and upload in real-time, but we actually didn't have official SVC staff on-site for this one so I have to two step the whole process.
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To answer the questions about NS11 archives, all sessions should have been recorded. I'm waiting on them to come back to Minneapolis this weekend where I'll upload them in full to YouTube. No Spacevidcast epic subscription will be required, they will be free and clear for all to watch.
However, due to our move to LA some stuff may get delayed. We're working on it though and hope that we can get all of it online very soon. Typically we try and upload in real-time, but we actually didn't have official SVC staff on-site for this one so I have to two step the whole process.
Thanks for the notice. Some of us are looking forward to viewing some sessions again.
Rergards
Robert
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Of course. I wish we didn't have this delay, but the media is literally being driven back to Minneapolis and I can't touch it until it gets here. I want to watch it too!
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That's cool. I'll be lifting some DC quotes out of that archive (yes, I'm obsessed with DC), but I'll heavily link/hat tip SVC for making the recording available in the article. Should work out to be a good decision to publish on the open site as the more people on site, the more chance there's going to be new Epic sign ups.
Servers aren't cheap. Plus we have to get you over a million for that mixer desk you were banging on about in last weeks show ;D (I like lots of buttons and flashy things, plus levers which blow up rebel planets).
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Of course. I wish we didn't have this delay, but the media is literally being driven back to Minneapolis and I can't touch it until it gets here. I want to watch it too!
Awesome. Minneapolis. That's my 'hood.
If you need help or anything, PM me.
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Plus we have to get you over a million for that mixer desk you were banging on about in last weeks show ;D (I like lots of buttons and flashy things, plus levers which blow up rebel planets).
Ah ha ha ha, I would *LOVE* that switcher. A GVG Kayenne (http://video.grassvalley.com/video/kayenne/) production truck that travels the country and brings live HD video of space events to peeps in real time from anywhere on or off the planet. That's the dream, bro. That's the dream!
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To answer the questions about NS11 archives, all sessions should have been recorded. I'm waiting on them to come back to Minneapolis this weekend where I'll upload them in full to YouTube. No Spacevidcast epic subscription will be required, they will be free and clear for all to watch.
Woot ;D
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I am uploading the sessions now. It sounds like 2 of the sessions were not recorded for whatever reason but I don't know which 2.
There's one huge caveat: I have not had time to enter *any* meta data for these items. That means they are untitled, have no tags and have no description. I uploaded them in this way because if I waited until I had a chance to enter meta data it would be another 2 to 3 weeks before I would be able to get them online (would have to wait until our bandwidth is installed in LA and systems set back up).
I will go back and enter titles and whatnot during my free time. Until then, allow around 24 hours for all of the uploads to complete. Each should start popping up as they finish uploading and you should start to see one or two within an hour. You can find the videos on youtube.com/Spacevidcast (http://www.youtube.com/spacevidcast) and I'll add them to Spacevidcast proper (http://www.spacevidcast.com) when I have some free time.
Nothing has been reviewed, so it is possible some garbage clips were uploaded too. If so, I'll delete them when I have a chance. Regardless, now you'll have access to the archives, however messy they may be, without having to wait.
Thanks,
B
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I am uploading the sessions now.
Thanks for all of this!!!
There's one huge caveat: I have not had time to enter *any* meta data for these items. That means they are untitled, have no tags and have no description....
Nothing has been reviewed, so it is possible some garbage clips were uploaded too. If so, I'll delete them when I have a chance....
Is there any way you could crowd-source these tasks?