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Title: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 07/12/2011 11:51 am
Just saw that one of spaceflight fan's major historical reference website has been taken down off-line due to persistent denial of service attacks.
http://www.astronautix.com/ (http://www.astronautix.com/)

It's probably one of the more useful reference pages for plans of spacecrafts and LVs, as well as some unique angles of spaceflight history, even if they are not very accurate. Still, it's sad to see such a long-lived site went off-line... :(
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: space_dreamer on 07/12/2011 11:56 am
What are denial of service attacks?

Astronautix.com is a great site I hope it comes back soon.
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: beb on 07/12/2011 11:58 am
even if they are not very accurate.

I hate seeing lines like this because there's no metric to measure how inaccurate they are. Astronautix was a great site because it got most of the details right.
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: mtakala24 on 07/12/2011 12:06 pm
What are denial of service attacks?

Wikipedia has a creat article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_service_attack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_service_attack)
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: oscar71 on 07/12/2011 04:13 pm
The old site is still available here:

http://www.friends-partners.org/partners/mwade/spaceflt.htm
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: Danderman on 07/12/2011 04:15 pm
The better question is why astronautix.com would be a target for such attacks?

 :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: Chris-A on 07/12/2011 04:37 pm
Mark Wade and the web masters can always change the DNS information and get back online quickly, or soon as possible.
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: Robotbeat on 07/12/2011 05:02 pm
even if they are not very accurate.

I hate seeing lines like this because there's no metric to measure how inaccurate they are. Astronautix was a great site because it got most of the details right.
I agree. I mean, there are surely lots of inaccuracies, but it's VERY extensive, so you're bound to get that. There's really no other site that comes close. Much of the related content on wikipedia is just ripped from Astronautix. For us "regular folk," this is a wonderful resource. Sure I'd prefer a better, more accurate site, but it's the best we've got.

(And there are some controversial opinions expressed in some of the non-technical pages, though)
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 07/12/2011 05:12 pm
even if they are not very accurate.

I hate seeing lines like this because there's no metric to measure how inaccurate they are. Astronautix was a great site because it got most of the details right.
I agree. I mean, there are surely lots of inaccuracies, but it's VERY extensive, so you're bound to get that. There's really no other site that comes close. Much of the related content on wikipedia is just ripped from Astronautix. For us "regular folk," this is a wonderful resource. Sure I'd prefer a better, more accurate site, but it's the best we've got.

(And there are some controversial opinions expressed in some of the non-technical pages, though)

I actually agrees with you; I am just making a disclaimer about its accuracy before Jim flies trans-Pacific to preach about the inaccuracies of the site in front of my door... ;)
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: jimgagnon on 07/12/2011 05:15 pm
The better question is why astronautix.com would be a target for such attacks?

Yeah, I don't understand it either. DDOS are juvenile to begin with, but to target astronautix.com?!?

If Mark has a good ISP, he'll be back soon. If not, perhaps he should consider throwing all his content onto Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: Jim on 07/12/2011 05:55 pm

(And there are some controversial opinions expressed in some of the non-technical pages, though)

That is the biggest issue.
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: kraisee on 07/12/2011 06:12 pm
DDOS attacks can normally be traced to a source.   I hope Mark has the FBI involved already.

Astronautix.com is a great site and I for one, will miss it.

I don't know if Mark reads NSF, but if he does, I'll second the appeal to put the content on Wiki if he decides not to re-open the site himself.

Ross.
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: jimgagnon on 07/12/2011 06:22 pm
(And there are some controversial opinions expressed in some of the non-technical pages, though)
That is the biggest issue.

Perfect for Wikipedia then. Once there, Jim, you can fix the stuff that really bugs you.
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: Tcommon on 07/12/2011 06:51 pm
What are denial of service attacks?

You can write a small piece of software that goes to a webpage, as if it were a web browser asking for that webpage, and repeat this over and over, millions of times, bogging down the targeted server.

A lot of programming languages have internet functionality built in. With Python, for example, you can write a program to go get information from the internet with just a few lines of code, a DoS program can be just as simple.

Many DoS attacks are run by juvenile malcontents living in their mom's basement. It's not hard. And for people too lazy to write few lines of code, there are websites out there where you can download free DoS and BOT software to make a pest of yourself.

If you run the DoS software on your own computer and internet connection, it's trivial for the police to catch you. So DoS attacks are often installed on other computers or run through proxy computers. This is more complicated, but still within the capability of your average bored juvenile delinquent on summer holiday.

See Script Kiddy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Script_kiddie)
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: SpaceInformer on 07/12/2011 07:10 pm
I hope Mark has the FBI involved already.

He is an Austrian and I donīt think that our police will investigate this. 

Further itīs expensive to fill a case in the U.S. if his site is hosted at the U.S.

For us Austrian spaceflight freaks he is a ghost. No one knows him neither had seen him on any space event here.

Greets,

Marius
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: Phillip Clark on 07/12/2011 10:05 pm
even if they are not very accurate.

I hate seeing lines like this because there's no metric to measure how inaccurate they are. Astronautix was a great site because it got most of the details right.
I agree. I mean, there are surely lots of inaccuracies, but it's VERY extensive, so you're bound to get that. There's really no other site that comes close. Much of the related content on wikipedia is just ripped from Astronautix. For us "regular folk," this is a wonderful resource. Sure I'd prefer a better, more accurate site, but it's the best we've got.

(And there are some controversial opinions expressed in some of the non-technical pages, though)


Sadly, too many people have used this site as being totally accurate and its errors have been repeated extensively on the internet.   As a specific example, thanks to Astronautix, a few months ago I found plenty of examples of Luna 10 being shown as the Cosmos 954 RORSAT!!!

I never use Astronautix as a reference point unless I can find independent and authoritative confirmation of the information elsewhere.
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: mike robel on 07/13/2011 02:20 am
Actually, as I recal, he is American but lives in Austria.
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: Colds7ream on 07/13/2011 03:06 pm
Much of the related content on wikipedia is just ripped from Astronautix.

Hardly 'ripped' - if you take a look at my Mir article, for instance, you'll note that the Astronautix info is properly integrated into the article and correctly cited; if you have found an article with unreferenced info from Astronautix, do please let me know and I'll fix it.
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: Prober on 07/14/2011 03:47 pm
The easy way around this is to let one of the big boys take care of the mess.

I am talking about running out of Yahoo, or Google etc.  They handle this for you.

Why the big firms?  Simple they can't afford to go down so their software & HW is designed to handle it.

Cost wise a doman run there might be worth a looksee.

Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: Skyrocket on 07/27/2011 10:35 am
At least parts of the website can be found in the webarchive www.archive.org:

http://web.archive.org/web/20101018084037/http://www.astronautix.com/

BTW, does anyone have an eMail adress of Mark Wade?
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: SMS on 07/27/2011 10:49 am
try astronautix at gmail.com

Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: rcaron on 07/28/2011 02:42 am
Has anyone been in contact with him? It would be interesting to see whether he is willing to have the site hosted elsewhere.
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: manboy on 07/28/2011 04:22 am
even if they are not very accurate.

I hate seeing lines like this because there's no metric to measure how inaccurate they are. Astronautix was a great site because it got most of the details right.
Unless you read any of his info on spacesuits, he even got the pictures wrong for many.
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: asdert on 07/28/2011 11:10 am
The site is back.

Is the note "hosting services provided by SpaceDaily.com" new?
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2011 01:29 pm
I don't see that note, but it is back.
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: Gene DiGennaro on 07/28/2011 01:33 pm
Glad to see it back. At least something is going good in the space world today...
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: asdert on 07/28/2011 01:53 pm
I don't see that note, but it is back.

Yes, the note is gone. It was below the National Geographic quote.
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: SMS on 07/28/2011 06:18 pm
what is it?
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: Gene DiGennaro on 07/28/2011 06:37 pm
Off line again...
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: Chris Bergin on 07/28/2011 07:07 pm
Still showing online here. A few links are down. Suggests they are porting over to a new server maybe?
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: asdert on 07/28/2011 07:58 pm
what is it?

If you still cannot reach the site, that might be because the DNS server of your internet provider does not yet point to the new IP address of the domain.

Try to access it directly:
http://216.55.160.127/

DNS servers are updated from time to time. When there is a change in the IP address of www.astronautix.com, it may take some hours until everybody knows, while the new IP address can be accessed immediately.
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: SMS on 07/28/2011 08:35 pm
Now it's working ok...

@asdert: thanks for good explanation ;)
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 09/25/2011 09:59 am
Well, well, well.... be careful Chris and Mark, looks like aerospace websites are being targeted by hackers.  >:(The latest victim is Anatoly Zak's Russianspaceweb.com (http://www.russianspaceweb.com), which was hacked by a bunch of Bangladesh hackers (or so they proclaimed).
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: marsavian on 09/25/2011 10:10 am
Clicking that russianspaceweb site now will get you a trojan if you don't have anti-virus software so the attack has progressed beyond mere site defacing ...

http://www.securelist.com/en/descriptions/HEUR:Trojan.Script.Iframer
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 09/25/2011 03:46 pm
Well, well, well.... be careful Chris and Mark, looks like aerospace websites are being targeted by hackers.  >:(The latest victim is Anatoly Zak's Russianspaceweb.com (http://www.russianspaceweb.com), which was hacked by a bunch of Bangladesh hackers (or so they proclaimed).

Looks like the website is back online. Phew.
Title: Re: Astronautix.com taken off-line
Post by: mmeijeri on 09/25/2011 03:47 pm
Jim will be relieved.  ;D