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Title: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/31/2010 04:19 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12093630

Great news! Awarded the OBE in the New Year Honours List for his services to science. Now he gets to meet the Queen :)

Piers Sellers, Order of the British Empire. Now let's take the next step and get him Knighted.
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Post by: Downix on 12/31/2010 05:20 AM
Hear Hear!
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Space Pete on 12/31/2010 11:58 AM
Woo-Hoo, Go Piers!

Why stop at Knighthood? I'm thinking that "Lord Sellers" sounds much better than "Sir Piers"! ;D
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: jacqmans on 12/31/2010 12:10 PM
Is this the first Royal award he receives ?  And do more Britisch born astronauts have Royal awards ?

I know Andre Kuipers got a Royal award when he returnd home from Space, Wubbo Ockels did not get one after his space mission, not sure if he received it later on....
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: DavisSTS on 12/31/2010 01:37 PM
Great news. Having Empire in your title as an astronaut has a nice ring to it :)

Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: simonbp on 12/31/2010 03:21 PM
Quote from: US Constitution, Article 9, Section 10
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.

So, legally, either he needs an act of Congress in order to accept, or to retire from NASA. I'm guessing the later...
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: mike robel on 12/31/2010 03:27 PM
My usual use of the acronym "OBE" is overcome by events, so I could not initially imagine what this story was about.
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: NavySpaceFan on 12/31/2010 03:40 PM
Quote from: US Constitution, Article 9, Section 10
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.

So, legally, either he needs an act of Congress in order to accept, or to retire from NASA. I'm guessing the later...

He can accept on an honorary basis, as Cap Weinberger did with his KGBE he received for his support of the UK during the Falklands War.
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/31/2010 03:56 PM
Quote from: US Constitution, Article 9, Section 10
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.

So, legally, either he needs an act of Congress in order to accept, or to retire from NASA. I'm guessing the later...

He can accept on an honorary basis, as Cap Weinberger did with his KGBE he received for his support of the UK during the Falklands War.

Yep.

"Honorary Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the British Empire in 1988, awarded in recognition for an "outstanding and invaluable" contribution to military cooperation between the UK and the US, particularly during the Falklands War of 1982."

Just means he can't use the official title of "Sir". And there's a few former Presidents who were awarded honourary Knighthoods by the Queen, including Reagan.

Highest one I can see on the list is:

"Wesley Clark, U.S. General and NATO Supreme Allied Commander in Europe made Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire March 28, 2000."

Interesting, as you'd think being British born would get around some of the rules.
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Tim S on 12/31/2010 04:01 PM
So you can actually become a real Knight? They still exist from medieval times?
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/31/2010 04:11 PM
So you can actually become a real Knight? They still exist from medieval times?

Yes, but unlike the 1100s, you don't get a nice horse and go to war (it was only for military at that time anyway, and we were always at war with someone, mainly the French ;)). Modern day Knighthoods have no military obligations to the Sovereign.

You still get "dubbed" by the Monach with the sword placed on both shoulders. Though the honourary Knights won't have that, so maybe Piers won't get to meet the Queen after all! :(
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: David AF on 12/31/2010 04:23 PM
Quote from: US Constitution, Article 9, Section 10
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.

So, legally, either he needs an act of Congress in order to accept, or to retire from NASA. I'm guessing the later...

Why does that rule exist? Maybe 51D could arrange an act of congress ;)
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: simonbp on 12/31/2010 04:49 PM
Interesting, as you'd think being British born would get around some of the rules.

I don't think it would be an issue, if he's not in the employ of the US Government. Considering Sellers has been the Astronaut Corps for 15 years, and with the retirement of shuttle, it's about time for him to retire anyways...
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: sbt on 12/31/2010 05:38 PM
You still get "dubbed" by the Monach with the sword placed on both shoulders. Though the honourary Knights won't have that, so maybe Piers won't get to meet the Queen after all! :(

'Officer of The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire' is not (as I think you aknoledge in your first post) one of the classes of the OBE (confusingly the whole order is abreviated 'OBE' and 'OFFicer of the OBE' also abreviated 'OBE') that has a Kinghthood attached.

However they are handed out at Investitures at the Palace - but Her Majesty, IIRC, is not necessarily the one presiding for the award of the lesser honours.

For US readers infomation the Classes of the OBE are, in decreasing 'rank':

Knight (or Dame) Grand Cross (GBE)
Knight (or Dame) Commander (KBE/DBE)
Commander (CBE)
Officer (OBE)
Member (MBE)

There is also the 'British Empire Medal' which used to be awarded instead of an MBE to those below Officer/Managment Rank or Grade - since 1992 (when Officer/Other Ranks distinctions in Gallantry medals were removed and various other things similarly modernised) the MBE is awarded. Recipients are not part of the Order however, simply 'Affiliated' with it.

Only the first two come with a Knighthood.

So Weiburger's award was higher than Clark's

There are all sorts of other 'Orders' and awards in the 'Honours System', amoungst which there is an 'Order of Presidence' and the various awards are also segregated by purpose. The OBE is the lowest order in the Order of Presidence.
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Space Pete on 12/31/2010 05:40 PM
Interesting, as you'd think being British born would get around some of the rules.

I don't think it would be an issue, if he's not in the employ of the US Government. Considering Sellers has been the Astronaut Corps for 15 years, and with the retirement of shuttle, it's about time for him to retire anyways...

He's retiring from the Astronaut Corps, but not NASA. He is moving to GSFC in the New Year to head up its Climate Change Program.
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: sbt on 12/31/2010 05:45 PM
Interesting, as you'd think being British born would get around some of the rules.

I don't think it would be an issue, if he's not in the employ of the US Government. Considering Sellers has been the Astronaut Corps for 15 years, and with the retirement of shuttle, it's about time for him to retire anyways...

Its interesting its only an Honorary award. IIRC Piers has Dual
Nationality which allows a Substantive award to be made. Presumably the
constitutional prohibition allows Honorary awards to be accepted by
those working for the US Government.

Its entirely possible that his award will be made Substantive in the
future when he retires from US Government employment
 - this years New Year Honours include several cases where
Honorary awards to Commonwealth nationals have been made substantive,
no details are given but I assume that the people concerned either
became UK nationals or retired from posts which prohibited accepting
Substantive awards.
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Antares on 01/03/2011 06:26 AM
Quote from: US Constitution, Article 9, Section 10
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.
So, legally, either he needs an act of Congress in order to accept, or to retire from NASA. I'm guessing the later...
Why does that rule exist? Maybe 51D could arrange an act of congress ;)

Just for the record: IT WOULD REQUIRE A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT NOT AN ACT OF CONGRESS!  Oy vey, learn your Civics.
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Space Pete on 01/17/2016 08:09 PM
At a time of such euphoria surrounding UK human spaceflight, it is with great sadness that I post this:

UK-born astronaut Piers Sellers has announced that he's been diagnosed with Stage 4 pancreatic cancer. :(

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/opinion/sunday/cancer-and-climate-change.html
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: ZachS09 on 01/17/2016 08:41 PM
I sure do hope Sellers wins this cancer battle. :(
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Star One on 01/17/2016 08:51 PM
Just seen this sad news.:(
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Chris Bergin on 01/17/2016 10:05 PM
Cancer has no respect. I hope he can successfully fight this.
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: mheney on 01/17/2016 10:10 PM
Yeah, he announced this back in November at work.  It's nice that it stayed in-house until he was ready to go public with it....
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Bubbinski on 01/18/2016 04:15 AM
I met Piers at Vandenberg 3 years ago during the NASA Social there. Hope he beats the odds!
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Stardust9906 on 01/18/2016 11:49 AM
I was shocked to read about this in a newspaper article this morning and would like to wish him all the best.
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: russianhalo117 on 01/18/2016 11:42 PM
Interesting, as you'd think being British born would get around some of the rules.

I don't think it would be an issue, if he's not in the employ of the US Government. Considering Sellers has been the Astronaut Corps for 15 years, and with the retirement of shuttle, it's about time for him to retire anyways...

Its interesting its only an Honorary award. IIRC Piers has Dual
Nationality which allows a Substantive award to be made. Presumably the
constitutional prohibition allows Honorary awards to be accepted by
those working for the US Government.

Its entirely possible that his award will be made Substantive in the
future when he retires from US Government employment
 - this years New Year Honours include several cases where
Honorary awards to Commonwealth nationals have been made substantive,
no details are given but I assume that the people concerned either
became UK nationals or retired from posts which prohibited accepting
Substantive awards.
in order to accept it in any form other than Honourary as declared by the Constitution and the USC code he would have to give up his US Citizenship to do so.
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Space Pete on 12/23/2016 08:44 PM
Sad news: Piers Sellers has passed away.

Thoughts with his family. RIP. :(

http://nasawatch.com/archives/2016/12/piers-sellers.html
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/23/2016 09:06 PM
Totally unfair. RIP Piers.
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Rocket Science on 12/23/2016 09:26 PM
Brave fight... May you rest in peace Sir...
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/23/2016 09:58 PM
December 23, 2016
RELEASE 16-122
NASA Administrator Remembers NASA Scientist, Astronaut Piers Sellers


The following is a statement from NASA Administrator Charles Bolden on Piers Sellers, who passed away Friday in Houston of pancreatic cancer:

“The entire NASA family mourns the passing of scientist and astronaut Piers Sellers.

“Piers was dedicated to all facets of exploration. His curiosity and drive to uncover new knowledge was generously shared with audiences around the world, both from space and in wide travels to reach as many people as possible with an essential understanding of our fragile planet.

“Piers devoted his life to saving the planet. As a climate scientist, his work in computer modeling of the climate system, satellite remote sensing studies and field work using aircraft, satellites and ground teams broke new ground in our understanding of Earth’s systems. His legacy will be one not only of urgency that the climate is warming but also of hope that we can yet improve humanity’s stewardship of this planet. His cancer diagnosis became a catalyst for him to work even harder on efforts to save the planet from global warming for the benefit of future generations.

“Piers was an eternal optimist whose positive energy inspired all those who had the good fortune to know him. His laughter, humor, and lighthearted spirit are as much a part of his legacy as his work.

“In his three journeys to orbit as a NASA astronaut, he demonstrated robotics, performed research and helped build the International Space Station. These journeys and his ongoing dedication to scientific inquiry inspired a new generation to take up his challenge to become better caretakers of Earth and extend humanity’s reach in space. It was my great honor to present Piers with the Distinguished Service Medal in June 2016 in recognition of his service to our agency and the world.

“In a New York Times opinion piece in 2016, he said, ‘As an astronaut, I spacewalked 220 miles above the Earth. Floating alongside the International Space Station, I watched hurricanes cartwheel across oceans, the Amazon snake its way to the sea through a brilliant green carpet of forest, and gigantic nighttime thunderstorms flash and flare for hundreds of miles along the Equator. From this God’s-eye-view, I saw how fragile and infinitely precious the Earth is. I’m hopeful for its future.’

“Today we lost a tremendous public servant who was dedicated to NASA, the nation and the world. He was a strident defender and eloquent spokesperson for our home planet, Earth. Spacewalker and scientist, free thinker and friend to our planet, and all who seek new knowledge, to say he will be missed would be a gross understatement."

For more information about Piers Sellers’ NASA career, visit:

http://science.gsfc.nasa.gov/sed/bio/piers.j.sellers

and

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/sellers.html
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Bubbinski on 12/24/2016 01:08 AM
Rest In Peace Piers Sellers. I met him in 2013 at the Landsat NASA Social at Vandenberg. He signed my badge, it was good to meet him.
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Alpha Control on 12/24/2016 02:34 AM
Piers Sellers, the British-born climate scientist who became a 3-time Shuttle astronaut, has died today, aged 61.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/piers-sellers-climate-scientist-turned-astronaut-dies-at-61/2016/12/23/145c5c0a-c37e-11e5-8965-0607e0e265ce_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-more-top-stories_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.f2acbfac4e2d

Very sad news, especially right before Christmas.  I was always impressed with his drive and positive attitude.  Enjoyed watching the three shuttle flights that he was on. They covered the bulk of the ISS assembly period.

He will be missed.
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: MATTBLAK on 12/24/2016 02:38 AM
:'(  Damn you; 2016...
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: BrightLight on 12/24/2016 02:50 AM
Very sad news - piers was a fine scientist and I had the pleasure of working with him on several projects - a loss to the atmospheric science community and the world.
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Orbiter on 12/24/2016 03:46 AM
Recall reading his post in the NYTimes earlier this year announcing he had cancer... so sad. Godspeed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/opinion/sunday/cancer-and-climate-change.html
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: ZachS09 on 12/24/2016 04:26 AM
RIP, Mr. Sellers. You will be remembered as much as John Glenn.

Man, December 2016 is becoming sadder throughout the month.
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Post by: DwightM on 12/24/2016 05:25 AM
Rest in peace Mr. Sellers and thank you.  You will be missed.
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Stardust9906 on 12/24/2016 10:10 AM
RIP what a horrible year this has been. :(
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Star One on 12/24/2016 11:29 AM
RIP Mr. Sellers.
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: jacqmans on 12/24/2016 11:45 AM
STS-112
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Post by: jacqmans on 12/24/2016 11:48 AM
STS-121
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Post by: jacqmans on 12/24/2016 11:57 AM
STS-132
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Post by: saturnapollo on 12/24/2016 12:04 PM
Very sad to hear this news.

He graduated from Edinburgh University and brought his STS-112 crew to Edinburgh to present a plaque to the University with items he had flown. He returned with Mark Kelly and Lisa Nowak after STS-121 though I didn't get any photos that time.

Keith



Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Eric Hedman on 12/25/2016 08:28 PM
NY Times article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/24/us/piers-j-sellers-climate-scientist-and-astronaut-dies-at-61.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/24/us/piers-j-sellers-climate-scientist-and-astronaut-dies-at-61.html?_r=0)
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: Dalhousie on 12/28/2016 09:02 PM
NY Times article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/24/us/piers-j-sellers-climate-scientist-and-astronaut-dies-at-61.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/24/us/piers-j-sellers-climate-scientist-and-astronaut-dies-at-61.html?_r=0)

"Educated in England"???  The scots won't like that!  ;D
Title: Re: Astronaut Piers Sellers, OBE
Post by: texas_space on 12/28/2016 09:17 PM
May he rest in peace
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Post by: catdlr on 12/31/2016 03:20 AM
Piers Sellers: 1955 - 2016

NASA Johnson

Published on Dec 30, 2016
In an interview from July 2016, NASA Astronaut Piers Sellers shares the dreams that led him to become an astronaut and his hopes for future exploration. A veteran of three spaceflights (STS-112, STS-121, and STS-132) and a renowned climate scientist, Sellers died on Dec. 23 at the age of 61.

“We lost a tremendous public servant who was dedicated to NASA, the nation and the world," said NASA Administrator Charles Bolden. "He was a strident defender and eloquent spokesperson for our home planet, Earth. Spacewalker and scientist, free thinker and friend to our planet, and all who seek new knowledge, to say he will be missed would be a gross understatement."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC217wotZy8?t=001

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC217wotZy8