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NASA Shuttle Specific Sections => Atlantis (Post STS-135, T&R) => Topic started by: smith5se on 03/19/2010 06:33 am
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So as sad as it is for me to start this thread; I noticed STS-134 already has one going so I figured I might as well...
As we all know this is the final scheduled launch for Atlantis, the first of the orbiters to retire. Launch is currently scheduled for NET May 14, 2010 at 2:28p.m. ET. She's always been a favorite of mine (and I'm sure others out there too), has served us proud ,and will continue to serve us proud throughout this mission and beyond through an extension or a nice display in a museum for all to see. She rolled out of Palmdale brand spankin' new March 6, 1985, first launched on Oct. 3rd, 1985, and it's amazing to think she is older than I and still is one of the work horses of our space program. Atlantis, now there's a name for the history books that screams awesomeness and power.
I myself am hoping to get down there for this launch. Started saving immediately after STS 130 and contacted my congressmen back in Jan. So whether I am sitting on the causeway or across the river on US 1 and camping somewhere, I'm planning on not missing this launch.
Besides the launch there's going to be places to go, people to visit, fun things to do, and shenanigans to be had! (And probably the usual dinner as well LOL)
Hope to see some of you NSFers there.
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Hard to believe that we under two months away from her final scheduled launch date.
It'll be one for the history books!
See you in May! :)
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Yeah, this will hopefully be my first (and maybe not last) shuttle launch.
Still holding off on booking anything. Hope that doesn't bite me in the end, but waiting on the Mid April call as some have suggested, and after STS-131 launch.
I'm looking at making this a 10 day trip, with 3-4 days prior to get sorted & calmed down a bit, and then 'hopefully' enough scrub time afterwards.
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I'm hoping to be there. Haven't booked flights yet, I'll wait until after 131 launches. Figure I'll fly down a few days in advance so flights won't be that hard to get.
I'll probably stay down there awhile in case of scrubs. Hoping it doesn't end up during ISDC.
Hoping to get on the causeway as well.
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There were just some great deals on flights and hotels I had to take advantage of a few weeks ago. I'm sweating it out right now. I will go to this thing hell or high water, though.
Also, Atlantis rolled out March 6, 1985? Guess we both recently celebrated our 25th birthdays then. :)
Also, when should I really start looking for launch tickets to go on sale?
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Also, when should I really start looking for launch tickets to go on sale?
The launch tickets go on sale about one month prior to launch. If STS-131 goes on schedule on the 5th of April, start keeping your eyes open - they could go on sale for STS-132 anytime from that point on.
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Also, Atlantis rolled out March 6, 1985? Guess we both recently celebrated our 25th birthdays then. :)
April 6, 1985, was the date of Atlantis's rollout ceremony in Palmdale.
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Got a 14 day trip booked from the UK on 13th May. If the launch changes I will just have to change it. Probably the only thing that will keep me from this launch will be something silly like a baggage handlers strike. Im not missing this for the world. I havent had any experience with the new ticket procedure. Is it worth teaming up with a couple of people to try and get tickets or does it not work that way?
Dave. (STS-115, STS-117, STS-123, STS-125)
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Hi from Germany,
watching a Shuttle launch is a dream of my childhood comming true.
I've been at KSC for 4 times - but never with a active mission
on the pad.
I'll try to be on the causeway on May 14th - but only two days
for scrubbs left (unfortunately I have to leave Florida Sunday evening for business purposes in Germany).
So all of you please keep your fingers crossed for me for an in time launch.
I'll arrive in Fort Meyers Thursday about 6.00 pm and try to get
a hotel around midnight in Orlando or near the Beeline Expressway.
Is it realistic to get one on this day without a reservation?
See you in May.
M.W.
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Hi
Fingers crossed for 132.
I'm travelling from Australia and hoping to catch the launch as part of my holiday. Five days in Florida to try to account for bad weather (travelled to see STS 127 and missed it as i ran out of days...)
Cheers
David
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a bit off topic.
I'm in LA for 10 days a few days after the sheduled landing of STS-134
in August. In the case of a landing in Edwards does anyone knows
how long it takes until the shuttle usually is brought back to KSC
and does anyone knows if it's possible to watch the start of the SCA with
the piggybacked shuttle? If there is a delay of STS-134 mission
and the landing is at Edwards is there a chance of getting close
enough to see the shuttle landing near Edwards?
(I know that the decission for the landing site is made close to
the landing - but I would try, if there is a chance of watching it)
Thanks
M.W.
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Roughly a week to prep from ferry flight if memory serves.
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It's definitely possible to watch a Shuttle approach and landing to Edwards from outside the base -- the issue is which end of the concrete runway the orbiter approaches. I haven't viewed a ferry takeoff, but would assume it's possible and would have the same "challenge," except in that case it would be takeoff direction instead of final approach.
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Hi
Fingers crossed for 132.
I'm travelling from Australia and hoping to catch the launch as part of my holiday. Five days in Florida to try to account for bad weather (travelled to see STS 127 and missed it as i ran out of days...)
Cheers
David
Two of my mates and I are also planning to come from Australia for 132! Cocoa Beach = the new Earls Court!
Must have a beer or three!
Peter
Melbourne, Australia
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Just hoping the launch doesn't get moved too much...........
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Is there a cheerleading topic to support people going to see the launch in person? :)
I hope the weather is good for all of you who want to see Atlantis launch live!
I was at STS-125 on the causeway, the only launch I've seen in person and it seemed so far away. Then the SRBs lit and I wanted to jump up and down and get down on my knees and pray - all at the same time! That there were really people atop that barely controlled explosion suddenly seemed like a crazy idea.
My photos are in the STS-125 launch thread.
Don't use the camera unless you can just push one button and let it go. A tripod helps. Binoculars improve the view. However, the excitement makes it hard to hold anything still. Bring something to cover yourself from the sun, but that won't block other people's view. Check the lagoon to see the fish jump at launch.
But focus on the launch, don't let anything distract you! It's over all too soon.
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Is there a cheerleading topic to support people going to see the launch in person? :)
I hope the weather is good for all of you who want to see Atlantis launch live!
I was at STS-125 on the causeway, the only launch I've seen in person and it seemed so far away. Then the SRBs lit and I wanted to jump up and down and get down on my knees and pray - all at the same time! That there were really people atop that barely controlled explosion suddenly seemed like a crazy idea.
My photos are in the STS-125 launch thread.
Don't use the camera unless you can just push one button and let it go. A tripod helps. Binoculars improve the view. However, the excitement makes it hard to hold anything still. Bring something to cover yourself from the sun, but that won't block other people's view. Check the lagoon to see the fish jump at launch.
But focus on the launch, don't let anything distract you! It's over all too soon.
Bkellysky, I too was at 125 for my first launch, and totally understand what you are saying.
As for the cheer leading thread, one is usually created, not sure if there is a rule of "oh this thread needs to be created x amount of days before launch" but it usually pops up closer to the launch date.
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I'm in Canada and planning to try make ONE of these last shuttle launches. Anyone have any tips? Recommended car rental places, hotels, etc?
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I'm in Canada and planning to try make ONE of these last shuttle launches. Anyone have any tips? Recommended car rental places, hotels, etc?
The Clarion will let you make reservations that you can cancel without penalty.
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Got a 14 day trip booked from the UK on 13th May. If the launch changes I will just have to change it. Probably the only thing that will keep me from this launch will be something silly like a baggage handlers strike. Im not missing this for the world. I havent had any experience with the new ticket procedure. Is it worth teaming up with a couple of people to try and get tickets or does it not work that way?
Dave. (STS-115, STS-117, STS-123, STS-125)
Has anyone got a reply from my previous post ?? :)
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I'm in Canada and planning to try make ONE of these last shuttle launches. Anyone have any tips? Recommended car rental places, hotels, etc?
Depends on how much you're wanting to pay. As mentioned, there is a Clarion Hotel just across the waterway from KSC. The VAB and launch pads are visible and is a good spot to watch the launch. However, count on spending at least $250 per night there. I'm PM'ing you with some other information that you might find useful as far as lodging.
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Depends on how much you're wanting to pay. As mentioned, there is a Clarion Hotel just across the waterway from KSC. The VAB and launch pads are visible and is a good spot to watch the launch. However, count on spending at least $250 per night there. I'm PM'ing you with some other information that you might find useful as far as lodging.
I agree, but watch this forum closely. If there's a shift in launch date, then you'll likely learn about here >24 hours before it's public and 36 or more hours before Clarion changes their prices. I've gotten Clarion reservations for <$80/night three times now as a result.
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In addition to the last question I asked does anyone know if the pad lights will be on the night before launch? I wouldn't mind heading out there to take a look.
Dave.
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I Hope that the launch remains on target,coming from Melbourne Australia to view the launch,last one viewed was sts91.
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In addition to the last question I asked does anyone know if the pad lights will be on the night before launch? I wouldn't mind heading out there to take a look.
Dave.
The Rotating Service Structure is retracted the night before launch...and the flood lights usually come on as last-minute work is done on the shuttle.
So yes, you'll be able to take a look at the shuttle the night before it takes off. Just not from KSC property, obviously. :)
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In addition to the last question I asked does anyone know if the pad lights will be on the night before launch? I wouldn't mind heading out there to take a look.
The Rotating Service Structure is retracted the night before launch...and the flood lights usually come on as last-minute work is done on the shuttle.
RSS retract to the park position is more based on the countdown clock, so it sometimes occurs during daylight -- such as today for the STS-131 launch attempt overnight. For the flood lights, it's probably a combination of time-of-launch and checking them out during the last night before the pad is cleared for launch.
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In addition to the last question I asked does anyone know if the pad lights will be on the night before launch? I wouldn't mind heading out there to take a look.
The Rotating Service Structure is retracted the night before launch...and the flood lights usually come on as last-minute work is done on the shuttle.
RSS retract to the park position is more based on the countdown clock, so it sometimes occurs during daylight -- such as today for the STS-131 launch attempt overnight. For the flood lights, it's probably a combination of time-of-launch and checking them out during the last night before the pad is cleared for launch.
I will probably go and check it out then. Anyone got any suggestions as where to go? I thought the 401 but not sure if it will be too far away for a decent view even with binoculars. I know Titusville is a bit closer (a mile or so) but from what Ive already seen I am thinking I will only see the FSS and the RSS lit. Anyone got any better alternatives?
Thanks, Dave.
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In addition to the last question I asked does anyone know if the pad lights will be on the night before launch? I wouldn't mind heading out there to take a look.
The Rotating Service Structure is retracted the night before launch...and the flood lights usually come on as last-minute work is done on the shuttle.
RSS retract to the park position is more based on the countdown clock, so it sometimes occurs during daylight -- such as today for the STS-131 launch attempt overnight. For the flood lights, it's probably a combination of time-of-launch and checking them out during the last night before the pad is cleared for launch.
I will probably go and check it out then. Anyone got any suggestions as where to go? I thought the 401 but not sure if it will be too far away for a decent view even with binoculars. I know Titusville is a bit closer (a mile or so) but from what Ive already seen I am thinking I will only see the FSS and the RSS lit. Anyone got any better alternatives?
Thanks, Dave.
RSS Retract for STS-132 will be at ~5p.m. on May 13
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I just heard a rumor that the launch for STS-132 will already be delayed. Has anyone else heard this rumor, or know if it is true or not?
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I just heard a rumor that the launch for STS-132 will already be delayed. Has anyone else heard this rumor, or know if it is true or not?
Nothing is definite. But it has been known for several weeks now that STS-132 could be delayed until early-June because of potential delays her Rescue Mission -- the STS-134 flight by Endeavour currently targeted for July 2010.
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Hi guys
I am coming over from Melbourne Australia for my first launch - sts132 works well for my timing, plan to arrive on the Tues evening and leave 1 week latter on following Tues.
Looks like u have to be pretty lucky to get causeway tickets online ( they sell out pretty quick by the looks of it!) so thinking of doing one of the local tours that offer causeway location, like Gator Tours. Has anyone any experience with them or other tour companies that u care to share?
Looking forward to my first launch...
Frosty - Australia
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Hi guys
I am coming over from Melbourne Australia for my first launch - sts132...
I think we need to start an "I'm coming from Melbourne, Australia to see STS-132" thread. Including Frosty and Col, that makes 5 people I know about from the most liveable city in the world! :D
Peter
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I would love to hear an estimate as to what the shuttle program offers to the U.S. Economy in terms of foreign visitors bringing business to local hotels, people who tie in a visit to the Orlando area etc. Not sure if such a figure exists but I would be interested in any estimates anyone might have.
Dave.
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The bar tabs alone would be significant! ;-)
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The bar tabs alone would be significant! ;-)
I can certainly put my name to that if it needs certification ;)
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Is it true that shuttle launch tickets usually go to sale on Mondays.. so there is a good chance that this coming Monday is the day?
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Last ones I bought were midweek. STS-129.
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Don't worry if you don't get causeway tickets. Just watched STS-131 from Titusville this past Monday, and I saw 10,000 very happy faces :)
Of course, the SpaceX employee I bumped into at the airport who got to watch from the VIP stands at the Saturn V exhibit did look even happier, but pigs will fly before you get those tickets!
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Don't worry if you don't get causeway tickets. Just watched STS-131 from Titusville this past Monday, and I saw 10,000 very happy faces :)
Of course, the SpaceX employee I bumped into at the airport who got to watch from the VIP stands at the Saturn V exhibit did look even happier, but pigs will fly before you get those tickets!
Where exactly did you go in Titusville to see the launch? I have a campground booked at Manattee Hammock for STS-132 and was wondering if you knew exactly how good the view of a launch is from the dock there
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Don't worry if you don't get causeway tickets. Just watched STS-131 from Titusville this past Monday, and I saw 10,000 very happy faces :)
Of course, the SpaceX employee I bumped into at the airport who got to watch from the VIP stands at the Saturn V exhibit did look even happier, but pigs will fly before you get those tickets!
I was fortunate shot view STS-130 from the Sat V center and pigs and several other animals flew. I could not believe it.
I have found many great places to view from over the years in Titusville. You really cant go wrong with most of the places.
When they used to launch off of Pad B, the view from the Max Brewer Parkway bridge was quite good. This bridge is currently being replaced.
Here is a shot os sts-130 from Banana Creek.
(http://scriptunasimages.smugmug.com/Galleries/Events/STS-130-Endeavour-Launch/ShuttleEndeavour1620final/796582980_Me3Ro-M.jpg)
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Here is a shot os sts-130 from Banana Creek.
hello walter,
wow! i must have been standing right next to you (i was the guy with the red beard and the black bandanna) and snapping my shutter at the exact same time -- the steam clouds are precisely the same [though, clearly, yours is the vastly superior lens.] ;)
talk about a moment i could have spent forever living in... ;D
(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu79/shad0wcaptain2/sts130/130.jpg)
oh, OT: check out page nine of the sts-131 viewing forum -- http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=20450.120 (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=20450.120) -- for detailed titusville information. apparently the magic words are "clarion hotel parking pass". ;)
and re: gator tours: if you can afford it, do it! it's convenient (depending on the hotel you're staying at) and comfortable, the extra cost is comparable to a one day car rental, and tickets to the exact same causeway are available for a good long while after kscvc sells out. i don't know for sure, but it seemed as though gator was still selling causeway tickets for sts-131 as late as the week before the launch, which is stupefying to me (i very much doubt the final three launches will take nearly as much time to sell out).
the one negative is that you do need to bring absolutely everything off of the bus with you while they sweep it, which can be a pain if you're carrying a lot of heavy tripods and want to catch the shuttle launch experience. (protip: find someone friendly with visitor's center viewing tickets who's already staked out a lawn space with some portable chairs or a picnic blanket and ask if they wouldn't mind keeping an eye on your bulkier stuff while you go on the ride.)
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Hi
I did Gator Tour Sunday night and I am quite satisfied with the service. We even got to see a movie on the way ;-)
You take the same bus to the Causeway. They drop you off at the ticket centre and later on you board the same one. Very simple.
Daniel
Hi guys
I am coming over from Melbourne Australia for my first launch - sts132 works well for my timing, plan to arrive on the Tues evening and leave 1 week latter on following Tues.
Looks like u have to be pretty lucky to get causeway tickets online ( they sell out pretty quick by the looks of it!) so thinking of doing one of the local tours that offer causeway location, like Gator Tours. Has anyone any experience with them or other tour companies that u care to share?
Looking forward to my first launch...
Frosty - Australia
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Ok tks for the tips and comments on Gator Tours..
I notice they have 2
Regular Launch Viewing at the Kennedy Visitor Complex $95
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VIP Space Shuttle Viewing $115
Not that there is much diff in price but is the $115 one worth the extra few dollars?
Tks
Frosty
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Regular Launch Viewing at the Kennedy Visitor Complex $95
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VIP Space Shuttle Viewing $115
Not that there is much diff in price but is the $115 one worth the extra few dollars?
I have not been on their tours but know the locations. DEFINITELY pay the extra, you will have line of site to the pad and is closer as the crow flies. from the visitors center you will only see once cleared the pad (and trees). Check google earth for locations.
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Hi,
I'm also planning on flying from Germany to watch the launch.
Does anyone know if the STS-132 launch date is dependent on how long STS-131 is? Like one extra docked day, or landing waivers caused by the weather?
I'll also try to buy some Causeway Tickets even though that doesn't look humanly possible.
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The $20 price difference between the two tickets is what KSC charge for an LTT (Launch Transportation Ticket) - which gets you from the Visitor Center to the Causeway.
If you get the choice, then don't even think about scrimping on this - the shuttle isn't visible until T+12s from the Visitor Center. You didn't pay all that money to miss the first 12 seconds. :)
PS - I'm another satisfied Gator Tours customer from STS-131. My contribution to the local economy as a result - about $4,000.
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PS - I'm another satisfied Gator Tours customer from STS-131. My contribution to the local economy as a result - about $4,000.
Dear Lord!!
Yeah, I'm going to 'try' and be on a slightly slimmer budget than that.
Still holding off on any bookings, though once those tickets go up for sale, that's #1
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What will be the launchtimes if the launch on May 14th will be delayed,
e.g. a launch on May 15th or May 16th? Will it be a night launch?
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What will be the launchtimes if the launch on May 14th will be delayed,
e.g. a launch on May 15th or May 16th? Will it be a night launch?
Launch times slip by about 23 or 24 minutes each subsequent day, so you can take some educated guesses for the 15th (about 2:05 pm) and the 16th (about 1:42). As we get closer, Bill Harwood will publish a launch windows chart with more exact times for each day. As for the night launch, you don't have to worry about that until June 8th.
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PS - I'm another satisfied Gator Tours customer from STS-131. My contribution to the local economy as a result - about $4,000.
Dear Lord!!
Yeah, I'm going to 'try' and be on a slightly slimmer budget than that.
Still holding off on any bookings, though once those tickets go up for sale, that's #1
Robert - check your PMs.
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What will be the launchtimes if the launch on May 14th will be delayed,
e.g. a launch on May 15th or May 16th? Will it be a night launch?
Launch times slip by about 23 or 24 minutes each subsequent day, so you can take some educated guesses for the 15th (about 2:05 pm) and the 16th (about 1:42). As we get closer, Bill Harwood will publish a launch windows chart with more exact times for each day. As for the night launch, you don't have to worry about that until June 8th.
What about the launch window? Does it slip a day for every extra day that STS-131 stays in orbit?
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What about the launch window? Does it slip a day for every extra day that STS-131 stays in orbit?
No, an extra day or two (can't be too much more than that anyway) for Discovery in orbit has no direct affect on launch window. The pad is clear and Atlantis flow is well advanced. There are larger planning issues being considered and also weather or technocal things may arise (Discovery was delayed rolling to VAB due to cold weather) that may delay but not Discovery's time on orbit.
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What about the launch window? Does it slip a day for every extra day that STS-131 stays in orbit?
The STS-132 launch window no longer has anything to do with STS-131. It mainly has to do with getting Atlantis, her ET, SRBs and other related hardware ready to go on time. However, there's always the chance that the mission could slip into June for LON requirements, should STS-134's payload (AMS) incur a significant delay. But Atlantis, her hardware and the STS-132/ISS-ULF4 payload (MRM-1) are all on track for a May 14 liftoff.
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The STS-132 launch window no longer has anything to do with STS-131. It mainly has to do with getting Atlantis, her ET, SRBs and other related hardware ready to go on time. However, there's always the chance that the mission could slip into June for LON requirements, should STS-134's payload (AMS) incur a significant delay. But Atlantis, her hardware and the STS-132/ISS-ULF4 payload (MRM-1) are all on track for a May 14 liftoff.
Thanks for the fast replies!
Does the possible delay for STS-134 mean that the AMS would have to be installed in the payload bay of the LON flight?
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Thanks for the fast replies!
Does the possible delay for STS-134 mean that the AMS would have to be installed in the payload bay of the LON flight?
All LON missions from here on out are manifested as the actual mission, but with a smaller crew. So yes, LON for STS-132 would see STS-134 take AMS to the space station, carry out that mission and come home with the STS-132 crew.
That is one of the concerns at this point. If AMS incurs a significant delay (beyond two months, as noted at the STS-131 FRR briefing), they would likely delay STS-132 to help close the gap between when STS-132 would launch and when STS-134 (or possibly STS-133) would be ready to support LON.
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That is one of the concerns at this point. If AMS incurs a significant delay (beyond two months, as noted at the STS-131 FRR briefing), they would likely delay STS-132 to help close the gap between when STS-132 would launch and when STS-134 (or possibly STS-133) would be ready to support LON.
Oh... I was just hoping I could book a flight to US to finally be able to watch a launch. I guess I have to wait a few days for some news.
I've been reading in the forum and I can't find any information as to when a decision on STS-134 will be made. Maybe you have some information?
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Oh... I was just hoping I could book a flight to US to finally be able to watch a launch. I guess I have to wait a few days for some news.
I've been reading in the forum and I can't find any information as to when a decision on STS-134 will be made. Maybe you have some information?
I went ahead and got my tickets on Monday because costs are starting to go up. If you can get some tickets that are transferable (no charge to change flights other than difference in flight costs) I'd go ahead and pull the trigger. Same for hotel reservations.
We should know about AMS sometime this month (mid to late).
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I went ahead and got my tickets on Monday because costs are starting to go up. If you can get some tickets that are transferable (no charge to change flights other than difference in flight costs) I'd go ahead and pull the trigger.
Same for hotel reservations.
Thanks, I'll follow your advice.
I'm thinking about renting an RV, though! :D
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Thanks, I'll follow your advice.
I'm thinking about renting an RV, though! :D
Wow! Where are you coming down from? Maybe I'll approach YOU for lodging! Larry and I have plans to stay at two different hotels while we're there. Looking forward to a great trip!
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Here is a shot os sts-130 from Banana Creek.
hello walter,
wow! i must have been standing right next to you (i was the guy with the red beard and the black bandanna) and snapping my shutter at the exact same time -- the steam clouds are precisely the same [though, clearly, yours is the vastly superior lens.] ;)
talk about a moment i could have spent forever living in... ;D
(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu79/shad0wcaptain2/sts130/130.jpg)
oh, OT: check out page nine of the sts-131 viewing forum -- http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=20450.120 (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=20450.120) -- for detailed titusville information. apparently the magic words are "clarion hotel parking pass". ;)
and re: gator tours: if you can afford it, do it! it's convenient (depending on the hotel you're staying at) and comfortable, the extra cost is comparable to a one day car rental, and tickets to the exact same causeway are available for a good long while after kscvc sells out. i don't know for sure, but it seemed as though gator was still selling causeway tickets for sts-131 as late as the week before the launch, which is stupefying to me (i very much doubt the final three launches will take nearly as much time to sell out).
the one negative is that you do need to bring absolutely everything off of the bus with you while they sweep it, which can be a pain if you're carrying a lot of heavy tripods and want to catch the shuttle launch experience. (protip: find someone friendly with visitor's center viewing tickets who's already staked out a lawn space with some portable chairs or a picnic blanket and ask if they wouldn't mind keeping an eye on your bulkier stuff while you go on the ride.)
WOW, you cant get any more identical than that. It was an incredible moment and to be able to capture it in stills was even better.
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Hi,
I'm also planning on flying from Germany to watch the launch.
Does anyone know if the STS-132 launch date is dependent on how long STS-131 is? Like one extra docked day, or landing waivers caused by the weather?
I'll also try to buy some Causeway Tickets even though that doesn't look humanly possible.
Hi,
will there be a kind of "German supporter group" for STS-132 on May 14th? How can I join this group ;-)
I'll start from Dusseldorf on May 13th and will have to drive from Fort Meyrs.
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Hi everyone!
If Atlantis rolls out at the 20th, is it known when the rotating structure at the pad will close? Is it the same day?
Thanks!
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If Atlantis rolls out at the 20th, is it known when the rotating structure at the pad will close? Is it the same day?
That's usually the case.
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Well I booked my hotel, got my KSC tickets (admission, KSC tour & lunch with an astronaut)...just waiting on causeway ticket sales to open & a firmer date for my plane tickets.
KSC here I come! :)
Probably going to look at a Gator tour in the swamp to fill in the time afterwards. I'm there from the 11th to the 19th.
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I have also orderd tickets!
Will come all the way from Norway, and stay from the 11th to the 19th.
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I'm waiting for causeway tickets to go on sale - seems late to me to not have heard a date. Hopefully will get some without them selling out. Have tried contacting my Congressman's office but have heard absolutely nothing back.
I'm going to book flights in the next day or two. Hoping to also catch the Delta launch a few days later...and depending on if/when Falcon 9 launches in May, I might also try to work out being down for that as well.
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I'm waiting for causeway tickets to go on sale - seems late to me to not have heard a date. Hopefully will get some without them selling out. Have tried contacting my Congressman's office but have heard absolutely nothing back.
I'm going to book flights in the next day or two. Hoping to also catch the Delta launch a few days later...and depending on if/when Falcon 9 launches in May, I might also try to work out being down for that as well.
I had received an offer from one of my Senators, but have also heard nothing back since I replied to their offer. Hoping LTTs go on sale soon just so I know I have tickets.
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Well I booked my hotel, got my KSC tickets (admission, KSC tour & lunch with an astronaut)...just waiting on causeway ticket sales to open & a firmer date for my plane tickets.
KSC here I come! :)
Probably going to look at a Gator tour in the swamp to fill in the time afterwards. I'm there from the 11th to the 19th.
We should be there between the 11th and 17th. There's usually an NSF dinner but I don't know when or where. There will be an announcement here somewhere when the plans firm up.
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I was contacted today and told that my chances of a ticket for STS-132 are remote, but good for STS-134. Unfortunately, I have already solidified plans for STS-132. If I do get tickets can I designate them to go to someone else or does that just go to the wait list?
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Well I booked my hotel, got my KSC tickets (admission, KSC tour & lunch with an astronaut)...just waiting on causeway ticket sales to open & a firmer date for my plane tickets.
KSC here I come! :)
Probably going to look at a Gator tour in the swamp to fill in the time afterwards. I'm there from the 11th to the 19th.
We should be there between the 11th and 17th. There's usually an NSF dinner but I don't know when or where. There will be an announcement here somewhere when the plans firm up.
And I just bought my plane tickets. There was only 1 seat left for the 'optimal' flight time, and on a seat sale, so had to take the plunge. Only 3 seats left coming back for any reasonable return time, and paid regular fare for it. Oh well.
Will be well worth it :)
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And I just bought my plane tickets. There was only 1 seat left for the 'optimal' flight time, and on a seat sale, so had to take the plunge. Only 3 seats left coming back for any reasonable return time, and paid regular fare for it. Oh well.
Will be well worth it :)
Very good! We'll keep everyone posted on the goings-on for NSF out there.
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And I just bought my plane tickets. There was only 1 seat left for the 'optimal' flight time, and on a seat sale, so had to take the plunge. Only 3 seats left coming back for any reasonable return time, and paid regular fare for it. Oh well.
Will be well worth it :)
Very good! We'll keep everyone posted on the goings-on for NSF out there.
I gotta make it to one of these NSF dinners, if only for the heartburn. Hoping it works out for this one.
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I gotta make it to one of these NSF dinners, if only for the heartburn. Hoping it works out for this one.
We look forward to having you, Philip! Let me know if anyone needs my contact info during the trip.
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I have to make a dinner too
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Planning to travel from Ireland. Waiting until end of month to book flights, already booked the hotel in Titusville for the night before. Thinking of buying Gator Tours causeway tickets.
Hope it all goes to plan.
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I have to make a dinner too
Would be great to have you, too, Jim. I'm sure we'll be posting all information around here somewhere.
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I have to make a dinner too
Would be great to have you, too, Jim. I'm sure we'll be posting all information around here somewhere.
Yes, it would be fantastic to see you and Phillip out there. Deserves a pint on me (or pick your poison) :)
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If we can make it my wife and I would be up for it. In Titusville 13-17
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You know as much fun as I know I am going to have on this trip, I've also come to the sad realization that as the days count down we are closer and closer to retirement with no plan nor any word of what will become of her after...
Well at least I'll have the whole group of you to cry with... well most of you (I'm assuming there is the one or two odd balls out there...)
Targeting my dates as May 12-19th. (gives me a little give for scrubs *if needed*)
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Hi,
I'm staying in Titusville till the 15th of may and i'm in Orlando till the 17th of May, hopefully she will be launched before the 17th. What are the best spotting places in Titusville? Space view park?
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Hi,
I'm staying in Titusville till the 15th of may and i'm in Orlando till the 17th of May, hopefully she will be launched before the 17th. What are the best spotting places in Titusville? Space view park?
I have had relatives go to a campground called Manatee Hammock, and they have said that it is a good spot to see the launch, and i looked it up a little more and it looks like one of the best spots to see a launch
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Hi,
I'm staying in Titusville till the 15th of may and i'm in Orlando till the 17th of May, hopefully she will be launched before the 17th. What are the best spotting places in Titusville? Space view park?
I have had relatives go to a campground called Manatee Hammock, and they have said that it is a good spot to see the launch, and i looked it up a little more and it looks like one of the best spots to see a launch
I heard/read that there are some spots in Titusville were you can see the launchpad. Can you see it there also?
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I'm staying in Titusville till the 15th of may and i'm in Orlando till the 17th of May, hopefully she will be launched before the 17th. What are the best spotting places in Titusville? Space view park?
There is a Clarion Hotel not too far north of the causeway that makes for a nice viewing spot. The pad is visible from there as well.
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I'm staying in Titusville till the 15th of may and i'm in Orlando till the 17th of May, hopefully she will be launched before the 17th. What are the best spotting places in Titusville? Space view park?
There is a Clarion Hotel not too far north of the causeway that makes for a nice viewing spot. The pad is visible from there as well.
Thanks, we booked 2 nights in the super8 motel ksc at walking distance from the space view park.
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Thanks, we booked 2 nights in the super8 motel ksc at walking distance from the space view park.
The Super8 is about thirteen minutes from the Clarion and the Clarion is on the waterfront.
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Titusville&1s=FL&1a=3480+Garden+St&1z=32796-3009&1y=US&1l=28.617195&1g=-80.849544&1v=ADDRESS&2c=Titusville&2s=FL&2a=4951+S+Washington+Ave&2z=32780-7319&2y=US&2l=28.552464&2g=-80.79605&2v=ADDRESS
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Thanks, we booked 2 nights in the super8 motel ksc at walking distance from the space view park.
The Super8 is about thirteen minutes from the Clarion and the Clarion is on the waterfront.
That would be a bit of a hike to walk to either Space View Park or the Clarion from I-95 Exit 220.
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That would be a bit of a hike to walk to either Space View Park or the Clarion from I-95 Exit 220.
I don't know where Space View Park is, but the Clarion would most certainly be a drive instead of a hike, as it's almost nine miles from Super8.
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You know as much fun as I know I am going to have on this trip, I've also come to the sad realization that as the days count down we are closer and closer to retirement with no plan nor any word of what will become of her after...
Well at least I'll have the whole group of you to cry with... well most of you (I'm assuming there is the one or two odd balls out there...)
Targeting my dates as May 12-19th. (gives me a little give for scrubs *if needed*)
Well I'm an odd-ball type of guy, so I'll likely get emotional too...lol
It's going to be exhilarating, fun and sad all at the same time.
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That would be a bit of a hike to walk to either Space View Park or the Clarion from I-95 Exit 220.
I don't know where Space View Park is, but the Clarion would most certainly be a drive instead of a hike, as it's almost nine miles from Super8.
So from Clarion / three Oaks, a car would be of great benefit for frequent KSC visits?
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So from Clarion / three Oaks, a car would be of great benefit for frequent KSC visits?
Yes. You're looking at a 10-15 minute drive to KSC from the closest points in Titusville. I'm sure there is always the option of taking a cab, but that can get expensive in a hurry. Sometimes you're better off renting a car. A couple of our guys did that for STS-129 and it helped them out a whole lot as far as convenience goes. Where did you end up getting hotel reservations?
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Thanks, we booked 2 nights in the super8 motel ksc at walking distance from the space view park.
Booked in there too.
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OK, I know people are starting to ask. YES, I will put together a pre-launch dinner gathering for NSF folks (and their family and friends) for the final launch of Atlantis.
However, per my standard practice, I will not begin planning anything until the current mission is complete and Discovery and her seven crew members are safely back on Earth.
So... sit tight for a few more days, guys.
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So NASA announced the Tweetup for STS-132. Which viewing area do they use for these events? The Visitor's Center?
http://www.nasa.gov/connect/tweetup.html
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So NASA announced the Tweetup for STS-132. Which viewing area do they use for these events? The Visitor's Center?
http://www.nasa.gov/connect/tweetup.html
Surprisingly not. They use the press site.
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So from Clarion / three Oaks, a car would be of great benefit for frequent KSC visits?
Yes. You're looking at a 10-15 minute drive to KSC from the closest points in Titusville. I'm sure there is always the option of taking a cab, but that can get expensive in a hurry. Sometimes you're better off renting a car. A couple of our guys did that for STS-129 and it helped them out a whole lot as far as convenience goes. Where did you end up getting hotel reservations?
Thanks! A car it is. :)
Three Oaks.
If Atlantis moves to a later date, I'll try and re-book with Clarion. Wasn't willing to spend the difference, which was substantial. Need to buy beach towels, film (yes film), and visit the dreaded gift shop :)
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Thanks! A car it is. :)
Three Oaks.
If Atlantis moves to a later date, I'll try and re-book with Clarion. Wasn't willing to spend the difference, which was substantial. Need to buy beach towels, film (yes film), and visit the dreaded gift shop :)
Three Oaks is definitely the cheapest considering where it is. You're only about fifteen minutes from the space center. By the way, if you're going to the Visitors' Center more than twice, remember to get the Annual Admission Pass the first time you go. I think I sent you the details.
As for the gift shop, yes it's amazing, but remember to buy only the things you'll actually wear/use once you're home. I know how some things tend to look just plain awesome in the KSC VC context, but once you get them home you think "Why the heck did I buy this...?" :)
Anyway, hope to see you out there at some point!
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Add another four to the list of people travelling from down under for the STS-132 launch. Regarding a ticket release date, I got an email a week ago from a woman from Kennedy Space Center saying she was hearing not before April 21st. So looks like a bit more of a wait to try and nab some causeway tickets.
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Add another four to the list of people travelling from down under for the STS-132 launch. Regarding a ticket release date, I got an email a week ago from a woman from Kennedy Space Center saying she was hearing not before April 21st. So looks like a bit more of a wait to try and nab some causeway tickets.
I would think that would be related to STS-131 landing for the same reason Chris G doesn't want to arrange the NSF lunch.
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... I got an email a week ago from a woman from Kennedy Space Center saying she was hearing not before April 21st. So looks like a bit more of a wait to try and nab some causeway tickets...
They changed the text on the NASA website from
"...tickets typically go on sale four to six weeks prior to the scheduled launch date."
to
"...tickets typically go on sale three to six weeks prior to the scheduled launch date."
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Three Oaks is definitely the cheapest considering where it is. You're only about fifteen minutes from the space center. By the way, if you're going to the Visitors' Center more than twice, remember to get the Annual Admission Pass the first time you go. I think I sent you the details.
Anyway, hope to see you out there at some point!
Yup, got the annual pass, though I bungled the order, so it didn't do myself any favours. Oh well.
If there is any doubt finding me, look for the "Go Direct" t-shirt and a Nikon telephoto lens :)
Less than a month to go!! JOY!!
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So NASA announced the Tweetup for STS-132. Which viewing area do they use for these events? The Visitor's Center?
http://www.nasa.gov/connect/tweetup.html
Surprisingly not. They use the press site.
Interesting. I'll need to tell my brother about this.... or do I?
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What kind of zoom do you need to see the launchpad from Titusville.
So you can make some nice pictures or movies?
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Is there any way for a non US citizen to get hold of Saturn V viewing area tickets?
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What kind of zoom do you need to see the launchpad from Titusville.
So you can make some nice pictures or movies?
A 300 mm lens is handy for decent pictures. You can look up movies on YouTube (search "Launch from Titusville") and you can get an idea of what it looks like.
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Is there any way for a non US citizen to get hold of Saturn V viewing area tickets?
It isn't easy, but it's not impossible either. You should contact your embassy in the US and ask them to request one for you.
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What kind of zoom do you need to see the launchpad from Titusville.
So you can make some nice pictures or movies?
A 300 mm lens is handy for decent pictures. You can look up movies on YouTube (search "Launch from Titusville") and you can get an idea of what it looks like.
Can you tell me how many that is in times X, i want to buy a new camera/camcorder.
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Can you tell me how many that is in times X, i want to buy a new camera/camcorder.
Not sure. Contact Larry (lsullivan411) or Brian (astrobrian). They're our photography experts and they both use 300mm lenses.
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Can you tell me how many that is in times X, i want to buy a new camera/camcorder.
Not sure. Contact Larry (lsullivan411) or Brian (astrobrian). They're our photography experts and they both use 300mm lenses.
many thanks
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So what's the difference between signing up for one of the tours like this:
http://www.kennedyspacecentertours.net/?event=offer.detail&offerId=11559
vs. buying a ticket directly from here
http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/space-shuttle-launch-viewing-tickets.aspx
?
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So what's the difference between signing up for one of the tours like this:
http://www.kennedyspacecentertours.net/?event=offer.detail&offerId=11559
vs. buying a ticket directly from here
http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/space-shuttle-launch-viewing-tickets.aspx
?
The first is a third-party tour company, selling them for about the same rate as Gator Tours / Dolphin Tours. This tour will pick you up outside of KSC and bus you in. I'm not familiar with this particular company, but the Gator / Dolphin tickets are usually available pretty close to the launch (for 130 I managed to get a Dolphin ticket 4 days prior).
The second link is for tickets straight from KSC Visitor Center, and much cheaper. These tickets will get you a car pass to drive yourself to the Visitor Center. This route is generally much preferred, but becoming very difficult to pull off as tickets sell out within minutes.
Both sources will get you to the same area of the causeway for viewing the launch.
Edit: To clarify, I'm only referring to the center "NASA Causeway Launch Viewing" option in the second link.
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What kind of zoom do you need to see the launchpad from Titusville.
So you can make some nice pictures or movies?
A 300 mm lens is handy for decent pictures. You can look up movies on YouTube (search "Launch from Titusville") and you can get an idea of what it looks like.
Can you tell me how many that is in times X, i want to buy a new camera/camcorder.
Generally, magnification is based on a 50mm lens being 1x, so 300mm would be 6x.
This site has some useful pointers: http://www.phototrek.org/Travel/STS-93/exposure.html
The first set of photos here are my survey of several viewing locations (shot at 560mm): http://condor.dyn.dhs.org/photos2/090315_STS119Launch_index.html
My suggestion from Titusville is to watch and enjoy, take a few wide angle photos to capture the scene, but don't spend the launch behind a viewfinder!
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What kind of zoom do you need to see the launchpad from Titusville.
So you can make some nice pictures or movies?
This is a photo of the STS-125 launch taken (by me) from Titusville, (the Clarion Inn motel along US-1) that is about 12 miles from pad 39A.
I used a Nikon D60 camera with a Nikon 300 mm lens. As you can see when you look at the photo at 100% there is a lot of detail in it and I did not use full zoom when I took it. (I wanted the VAB in the photo).
And I must add that it was about 35 degrees celsius that day...
Hope this helps.
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What kind of zoom do you need to see the launchpad from Titusville.
So you can make some nice pictures or movies?
This is a photo of the STS-125 launch taken (by me) from Titusville, (the Clarion Inn motel along US-1) that is about 12 miles from pad 39A.
I used a Nikon D60 camera with a Nikon 300 mm lens. As you can see when you look at the photo at 100% there is a lot of detail in it and I did not use full zoom when I took it. (I wanted the VAB in the photo).
And I must add that it was about 35 degrees celsius that day...
Hope this helps.
Note to self: bring teleconverter(s) :)
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What kind of zoom do you need to see the launchpad from Titusville.
So you can make some nice pictures or movies?
This is a photo of the STS-125 launch taken (by me) from Titusville, (the Clarion Inn motel along US-1) that is about 12 miles from pad 39A.
I used a Nikon D60 camera with a Nikon 300 mm lens. As you can see when you look at the photo at 100% there is a lot of detail in it and I did not use full zoom when I took it. (I wanted the VAB in the photo).
And I must add that it was about 35 degrees celsius that day...
Hope this helps.
Hey, take a look at the cruiser (boat) half way between the pad and the VAB, nice view! Is it military/coast guard? How close can Joe public in a boat (surf board?) get?
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What kind of zoom do you need to see the launchpad from Titusville.
So you can make some nice pictures or movies?
This is a photo of the STS-125 launch taken (by me) from Titusville, (the Clarion Inn motel along US-1) that is about 12 miles from pad 39A.
I used a Nikon D60 camera with a Nikon 300 mm lens. As you can see when you look at the photo at 100% there is a lot of detail in it and I did not use full zoom when I took it. (I wanted the VAB in the photo).
And I must add that it was about 35 degrees celsius that day...
Hope this helps.
Nice picture. Staying at the Clarion for 132 so good to see what the view is like from there. Did you use a CPL or any other sort of filter? Lots of haze in the way, wondering if a polarizer would help.
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It's been released tickets for this launch go on sale April 22nd at 9:00am.
http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/space-shuttle-launch-viewing-tickets.aspx?ic_campID=4&ic_pkw=GH_bmrs_STS132_Tickets_Apr10
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Thanks! So in otherwords, if the KSC drive-yourself tickets sell out, I should try for the tours, since they'll take me to the same viewing area anyway?
So what's the difference between signing up for one of the tours like this:
http://www.kennedyspacecentertours.net/?event=offer.detail&offerId=11559
vs. buying a ticket directly from here
http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/space-shuttle-launch-viewing-tickets.aspx
?
The first is a third-party tour company, selling them for about the same rate as Gator Tours / Dolphin Tours. This tour will pick you up outside of KSC and bus you in. I'm not familiar with this particular company, but the Gator / Dolphin tickets are usually available pretty close to the launch (for 130 I managed to get a Dolphin ticket 4 days prior).
The second link is for tickets straight from KSC Visitor Center, and much cheaper. These tickets will get you a car pass to drive yourself to the Visitor Center. This route is generally much preferred, but becoming very difficult to pull off as tickets sell out within minutes.
Both sources will get you to the same area of the causeway for viewing the launch.
Edit: To clarify, I'm only referring to the center "NASA Causeway Launch Viewing" option in the second link.
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It's been released tickets for this launch go on sale April 22nd at 9:00am.
http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/space-shuttle-launch-viewing-tickets.aspx?ic_campID=4&ic_pkw=GH_bmrs_STS132_Tickets_Apr10
Yup, I got that e-mail too!! :)
Oh boy! Let the fun begin on getting tickets!
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does any of you international (would be) visitors know, how long the FedEx shipping time of these tickets are ?
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Well, this will be my first time trying to get tickets. I'm trying and so is a friend - figure if we end up with too many tickets that's less of a problem than not having any. Any tips from those who have ordered before?
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does any of you international (would be) visitors know, how long the FedEx shipping time of these tickets are ?
Never received any tickets myself, but at our business, and depending on you location, getting something shipped FedEx is usually only a few days, and they mention that on the KSC site. Australia might be 5 days I guess.
1 day processing & moving regionally
maybe 1 day contigency
flight time (they all go by air)
1 day processing & moving regionally
maybe 1 day contigency
For Canada I'll get mine in 2 days most likely. If it left early enough, I could get it next day.
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Question: I am from The Netherlands and we leave at May 8 to Florida. The tickets wond be send until May 6, so they will never get here on time.
Can you give up a seperate billing and shipping adress, so I can ship the tickets to our hotel.
Thank you.
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I have a similar problem. I leave europe on may 11th in the morning (if ash clouds from Eyjafjalla behave and stay in island...).
As there is the weekend on May 8 & 9, chances are remote to receive the tickets by May10 (no parcel service on weekends in europe).
That was really not thought through by Delaware North, on my previous launches it was possible to pick a different shipping adress and/or earlier shipping date. They way it is done this time is almost prohibitive to overseas shuttlefans.
Does anybody know a contact adress to the Delaware North Guys who organize the LTT sale?
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Have similar problem here. Flying to Florida on May 11th from Estonia. Not sure if it is worth to take the risk and order the expensive tickets.
discovery_fan.. if you find out something, please let us know.
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(866) 737-5235 is listed as a contact phone for the launch tickets.
I would order, and then call the day after you order and see about getting an alternate shipping address. Since the tickets go quickly it would be wise to not mess with anything out of the normal when ordering.
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My wife and I are going down to see the launch! Tickets go on sale tomorrow! I told her it was a fun time and worth the trip, so she agreed as long as I paid for the trip!!!
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This is taken from KSCVC STS-132 Launch Viewing Ticket page: "Due to current international air traffic issues, particularly over Europe, international orders will be given first priority for shipping and will be sent via Fed Ex by 4/29."
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Yep! That is what I was told by an agent of Delaware North after my question, they will be sent via Fed Ex by 4/29.
If one is not satisfied with this arrangement, and needs the tickets shipped to another adress then his billing adress, he has to phone order.
I hope we are all lucky enough to get tickets ordered today (they sell out so quickly), and then get them in time. All the best!
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It looks like I got a spot on the waiting list for the NASA launch Tweetup. I think it is a long shot but it would be really cool if I could get in. My twitter account is @davidgojr. Any idea if any people on the wait list got to the Tweetup last time?
I'm also hoping to get some Congressional passes but I haven't heard anything yet. Anyone hear anything on these passes either?
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It looks like I got a spot on the waiting list for the NASA launch Tweetup. I think it is a long shot but it would be really cool if I could get in. My twitter account is @davidgojr.
Hmm... I'm on the wait list too. Which begs the question: Did everyone who registered get put on the wait list (that'll be a long wait!), or are we on a shorter list? :)
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It looks like I got a spot on the waiting list for the NASA launch Tweetup. I think it is a long shot but it would be really cool if I could get in. My twitter account is @davidgojr. Any idea if any people on the wait list got to the Tweetup last time?
I'm also hoping to get some Congressional passes but I haven't heard anything yet. Anyone hear anything on these passes either?
Just heard from my Congressman's office today that I did not get tickets. :( Trying to buy causeway tickets tomorrow.
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Great...the website to get launch tickets is BROKE!!!!!
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Great...the website to get launch tickets is BROKE!!!!!
Or overloaded! :D
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Very overloaded :(
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Great...the website to get launch tickets is BROKE!!!!!
Yeah, I'm ready to lose my mind...
Begging the boss to let me stay online longer (as I have an audit meeting to attend)..
(pulls hair out)
great, now it says "Service Unavailable"
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we broke the server :-) :-((
"Service Unavailable"
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Arrggghhhhhhhhhhh "service unavailable"
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Well good to know NOBODY's gotten in yet and it's not just me! =p
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Same here:
Service Unavailable
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Has this happened before????
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Same here, and their phone system is down too.
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Server Crashed? Would think they would be able to handle a few hundred thousand hits?
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Same here in Ottawa. Service is unavailable.
dan
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Same here, and their phone system is down too.
Reminds me of one of the Die Hard movies...
"Half of New York city just dialed 911", or in this case KSC
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Hey, can y'all stop trying to access the website so I can get on and order my tickets? ;)
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Hey, can y'all stop trying to access the website so I can get on and order my tickets? ;)
Nooooo :)
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Same here and phones ring busy too. >:(
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First person in better get tickets for all of us? =)
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now, there is still gator tours
does anybody have experiences with them ?
do they get a special batch of tickets anyway ?
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Just to beat this dead horse some more, I'm finding the same results.
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now, there is still gator tours
does anybody have experiences with them ?
I just checked and they haven't gone on sale yet, still STS-131
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Gator Tour is OK . I did them on STS-131. Had no prob.
dan
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Do I take it everyone is getting connection time-out messages?
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you are mistaken
http://www.gatortours.com/shuttle/
graylinelaunch.com/
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I'm not counting out Causeway tickets yet, as apparently nobody is getting them right now.
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some lucky few might get through
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I'm not counting out Causeway tickets yet, as apparently nobody is getting them right now.
Same here.
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NOOOO!
IT just sent us a message: "This system is shutting down. Please save all work in progress and log off." They do that every once in a while and they have to choose TODAY at 9AM.
I will need to log on in about 10 minutes. Very bad timing. I'll sue!!!
Dan
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I was on the KSC Visitor's Center web site all morning waiting for 8:45 a.m. Hit refresh shortly before and kablooie...it was gone. Seeing the same timeouts here in Indiana you all are getting.
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I'm not missing out so just bought a Grayhound VIP tour - All booked and Paid for :)
Frosty (Australia)
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is there a DIRECT link to the ticket center .. ?????
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From twitter
@ExploreSpaceKSC: We will post an update on STS-132 launch ticket sales as soon as possible. We apologize for the inconvenience.
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Same here, website was fine at 8:30 or so.
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I'm not missing out so just bought a Grayhound VIP tour - All booked and Paid for :)
Frosty (Australia)
any info how you receive these tickets ?
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guessing they are using IIS webserver. Can be very finicky if the load suddenly increases. Can often kill the webserver until it is restarted.
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is there a DIRECT link to the ticket center .. ?????
http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/space-shuttle-launch-viewing-tickets.aspx
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we broke it :(
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Yeah - you just print out the voucher and present it when the bus picks you up from one of their pickup points.
They do say you need to ring and conf your pickup point 48 hrs prior
It was very easy and simple to do even from over here in Australia $USD115 all up.
Frosty
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voucher ? you mean the reservation number ?
Yeah - you just print out the voucher and present it when the bus picks you up from one of their pickup points.
They do say you need to ring and conf your pickup point 48 hrs prior
It was very easy and simple to do even from over here in Australia $USD115 all up.
Frosty
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you are mistaken
http://www.gatortours.com/shuttle/
graylinelaunch.com/
Thanks for that.
I just bought a gator ticket. I'm not risking it.
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Yes - its the booking number that you get - just print it out
Frosty
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From Twitter: For those trying to log into www.KennedySpaceCenter.com, the website is temporarily down. Launch tickets will not go on sale at 9:00 am
We will post an update on STS-132 launch ticket sales as soon as possible. We apologize for the inconvenience
@ExploreSpaceKSC
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hopefully thats a real ticket, not just a reservation nb for a "maybe" ticket"
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Looks like Gator & GrayLine are the same company anyhow?
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Causeway tickets are not on sale. My mom actually got through to the website and was able to proceed as far as where ticket selection is, but it said no tickets were available at this time.
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Grayline have already taken the $usd115 from my Credit Card (I can check this online with my bank)
Here is the link I used for them
http://grayline.ezrez.com/travel/arc_process.cfm?search=true
Frosty
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which could also mean, some lucky few came through and they are sold out
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Causeway tickets are not on sale. My mom actually got through to the website and was able to proceed as far as where ticket selection is, but it said no tickets were available at this time.
Well don't that beat all.
Well, I'll still try for one when it gets fixed. Can't risk a scrub and not get access when you use up your Gator ticket.
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which could also mean, some lucky few came through and they are sold out
As per Twitter, they are not on sale at this time.
http://twitter.com/EXPLORESPACEKSC
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which could also mean, some lucky few came through and they are sold out
As per Twitter, they are not on sale at this time.
http://twitter.com/EXPLORESPACEKSC
I applaud them, even though their website got killed, they are on top of keeping us informed via twitter.
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did they ever get waiting room open, I tried at about 750am central. nothing but thought it was my flacky internet connection but nothing on iphone either
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not sure, I don't think so.
did try since 8:40
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I don't think the virtual waiting room ever worked. I think the server broke down by 8:45 EDST.
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which could also mean, some lucky few came through and they are sold out
As per Twitter, they are not on sale at this time.
http://twitter.com/EXPLORESPACEKSC
Excellent, thanks for posting that!
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Thank HKS, he posted it first.
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I'm not missing out so just bought a Grayhound VIP tour - All booked and Paid for :)
Frosty (Australia)
I did the same.
The Gator Tours tickets include an extra Kennedy Space Center ticket so the price difference is only $20 and this way I have my causeway ticket assured. Also, no need the spend the rest of the afternoon wondering when the KSC website comes back online.
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I'm not missing out so just bought a Grayhound VIP tour - All booked and Paid for :)
Frosty (Australia)
I did the same.
The Gator Tours tickets include an extra Kennedy Space Center ticket so the price difference is only $20 and this way I have my causeway ticket assured. Also, no need the spend the rest of the afternoon wondering when the KSC website comes back online.
Is this true that the Gator tours package has an extra ticket above and beyond the KSC LTT package?
I was going to buy year-passes to KSC for me and my wife as the price is so good for those, but maybe the extra ticket and the guarantee of having a ticket is worth the Gator Tours price.
I see that they have a Titusville pickup area, we are staying in Titusville, I feared before that Gator tours only had pickups much further inland.
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Perhaps they should borrow some of the webservers from NSF... :p
I think they should have known that this was happening and had some backup capacity!
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gator tours
What's included in the VIP Package?
Transportation from a pickup location to the Kennedy Space Center.
Admission ticket to the Kennedy Space Center. A 2-day ticket valid for 1 week from launch date.
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I'm not missing out so just bought a Grayhound VIP tour - All booked and Paid for :)
Frosty (Australia)
I did the same.
The Gator Tours tickets include an extra Kennedy Space Center ticket so the price difference is only $20 and this way I have my causeway ticket assured. Also, no need the spend the rest of the afternoon wondering when the KSC website comes back online.
Is this true that the Gator tours package has an extra ticket above and beyond the KSC LTT package?
I was going to buy year-passes to KSC for me and my wife as the price is so good for those, but maybe the extra ticket and the guarantee of having a ticket is worth the Gator Tours price.
I see that they have a Titusville pickup area, we are staying in Titusville, I feared before that Gator tours only had pickups much further inland.
No, I think that all adult KSC tickets are valid for a second day within 7 days.
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Is this true that the Gator tours package has an extra ticket above and beyond the KSC LTT package?
Yep, check here: VIP Space Shuttle Launch Viewing (http://www.gatortours.com/shuttle/index.htm)
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gator tours
What's included in the VIP Package?
Transportation from a pickup location to the Kennedy Space Center.
Admission ticket to the Kennedy Space Center. A 2-day ticket valid for 1 week from launch date.
Now that the KSC website is down I cannot examine their package more carefully. Does the LTT allow access to the visitors center for launch day plus one other day? Sounds like the Gator package has the same thing, but worded differently.
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oh well, there is always Titusville Space Park or Highway 1 :-/
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Per Twitter, No LTT sales today through KSC.
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From Twitter;
STS-132 launch tickets will not go on sale today via website or telephone. We apologize for the inconvenience.
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I'm not missing out so just bought a Grayhound VIP tour - All booked and Paid for :)
Frosty (Australia)
I did the same.
The Gator Tours tickets include an extra Kennedy Space Center ticket so the price difference is only $20 and this way I have my causeway ticket assured. Also, no need the spend the rest of the afternoon wondering when the KSC website comes back online.
Is this true that the Gator tours package has an extra ticket above and beyond the KSC LTT package?
I was going to buy year-passes to KSC for me and my wife as the price is so good for those, but maybe the extra ticket and the guarantee of having a ticket is worth the Gator Tours price.
I see that they have a Titusville pickup area, we are staying in Titusville, I feared before that Gator tours only had pickups much further inland.
I bought the annual pass a couple weeks ago.
If I get an extra KSC ticket from Gator tours, I'll just give it to someone when I'm down there.
The important thing to remember (for all) is that once the bus picks you up, you're out of luck with your tour. So for the little extra money, it's worth trying for the KSC LTT ticket. That way you can get a new ticket at no charge if it scrubs.
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The important thing to remember (for all) is that once the bus picks you up, you're out of luck with your tour. So for the little extra money, it's worth trying for the KSC LTT ticket. That way you can get a new ticket at no charge if it scrubs.
That is not correct.
Both tickets are considered used the moment you board the bus. This is from the conditions in the KSC LTT ticket:
If you board a bus to the NASA Causeway and launch is postponed, all elements of this ticket are considered used in full. While you will no longer be able to access the NASA Causeway, you will be invited to return for the next launch attempt with your Visitor Complex admission ticket.
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I would suggest that anyone who wants updates gets a twitter account and enable text message updates. I received a ExploreSpaceKSC update via text message 10 seconds before it appeared in my live twitter page.
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Now that the KSC website is down I cannot examine their package more carefully. Does the LTT allow access to the visitors center for launch day plus one other day? Sounds like the Gator package has the same thing, but worded differently.
As far as I understand it, the gator tour tickets have a serious disadvantage:
Once you are out to the KSC, if a scrub occurs, your package is gone. (you consumed everything).
The KSC launch viewing tickets work (from my own experience) this way:
If there is a scrub before you are on the causeway, you can come for another try. If the scrub is lets say at the t-9min. hold, at the first attempt the DNC guys usually hand you your LTT passes out once you return from the bus, and you can try one more. If there is a second scrub, you can purchase new LTTs at the gate at a set time for appr. additional 25 USD (or you can view the next attempts for free from the visitor center). Therefore with the KSC tickets you can see the launch at least from the VC, even if there are 5 scrubs. Your max. access pass is valid for every launch attempt, regardless how many attempts there are.
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Both KSC and Gator say about the same thing. Once you board the bus (in the bus loading area) to go to the Causeway, they have done their part of the contract with you. If you haven't set foot on that bus and the launch is scrubbed, you can return but Gator Tour will ask you for Transportation cost to bring you back (I think it was 35$ from Orlando). KSC. You get to keep the second ticket which is good for the visitor centre within the next 7 days.
Dan
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The difference is the Gator ticket is considered used once you board the bus no matter if launch or scrub, with no option to reuse or purchase another one. The KSC LTT tickets are used also, however in the event of a scrub you DO have the opportunity to purchase new causeway tickets (albeit at a lower price).
Hmph. No LTT today, back to my regularly scheduled day. :\
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The important thing to remember (for all) is that once the bus picks you up, you're out of luck with your tour. So for the little extra money, it's worth trying for the KSC LTT ticket. That way you can get a new ticket at no charge if it scrubs.
That is not correct.
Both tickets are considered used the moment you board the bus. This is from the conditions in the KSC LTT ticket:
If you board a bus to the NASA Causeway and launch is postponed, all elements of this ticket are considered used in full. While you will no longer be able to access the NASA Causeway, you will be invited to return for the next launch attempt with your Visitor Complex admission ticket.
I guess the LTT would be the advantage then, because you still have the car pass, so you can buy a pass for a retry launch in case of a scrub and you wont have to worry about arranging for bus transportation since Gator may not provide it.
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what happens if the launch gets scrubbed ?
at the next attempt the causeway will be empty since everybody is at the VC ?
or do they sell new ticket batches ?
edit: thanks for the answers
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what happens if the launch gets scrubbed ?
at the next attempt the causeway will be empty since everybody is at the VC ?
or do they sell new ticket batches ?
They hand out passes to buy a new ticket at around $25 each.
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STS-132 launch tickets will not go on sale today via website or telephone. We apologize for the inconvenience - from KSC twitter
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In the event of a scrub you have to go to the front ticket window where another causeway ticket can be purchased. Like the online mad rush for tickets, that sometimes can cause a scramble at the ticket lines so you want to head there first thing once the bus pulls back into the VC.
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I am in Texas-trying to get tickets-thanks for all your info and help. So is it a definite 'no' for tickets today? Thanks in advance!
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In the event of a scrub you have to go to the front ticket window where another causeway ticket can be purchased. Like the online mad rush for tickets, that sometimes can cause a scramble at the ticket lines so you want to head there first thing once the bus pulls back into the VC.
If the VC is a closed for the day except for people with tickets then surely if there is 5000 people there, and 5000 tickets then everyone should be accommodated. Or am I missing something?
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That should be the case, however on two occasions I had to do that after a scrub and they did not take any verification at the window that you were originally a causeway ticket holder. Some who were already at the VC using the KSC viewing tickets did go to the window to try to purchase LTT tickets --and got them. So if enough people think to do that, there go the tickets that should be available to the original causeway folks. Another issue with this is the KSC staff will tell you tickets will be available for purchase at xx time, come to the window at that time--that has been false in the past, the tickets are available right away at the window after the scrub. So again, if you listen to the KSC staff and not attempt to repurchase right away...
I do not know how many folks have been inconvenienced by this but to avoid finding out the hard way, I attempt to repurchase without hesitation.
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If the VC is a closed for the day except for people with tickets then surely if there is 5000 people there, and 5000 tickets then everyone should be accommodated. Or am I missing something?
As far as I understood the process when I was there the story is like this:
There are a lot of people there who have just KSC VC Tickets and not LTT Tickets. If the scrub occurs at T-9min., and the LTTs are considered consumed, they too get a chance to purchase LTTs.
So all who know and have time to come for a second attempt (if its a technical scrub and not a 24hrs wx scrub then maybe the next attempt is 1 week later or so, and many people will have to fly home...) rush to the ticket boots.
Sometimes, in case of 24hr scrubs it is done like this: You can come the next day at 6am in the morning and then starts the LTT resale at the ticket boot.
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ExploreSpaceKSC
To clarify, no launch tickets on KennedySpaceCenter.com nor via our telephone, have been sold. We will keep you updated with new date/time.
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Seriously, anyone who wants updates needs to get twitter text message updates. It is super-fast!
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Yes, the VC people have the opportunity to purchase these tickets after a scrub. This may indeed cancel out other people who do have to fly home in which case the original LTT people buy another ticket, and some fortunate VC folks end up with causeway tickets as well.
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Wow.. VC is doing a really good job with twitter updates. :)
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Yes, the VC people have the opportunity to purchase these tickets after a scrub. This may indeed cancel out other people who do have to fly home in which case the original LTT people buy another ticket, and some fortunate VC folks end up with causeway tickets as well.
What is if I miss the planned launch but fortunately (for me) the launch is scrubbed? Can I use my original LTTs?
Or the other way - If I have gator-tour tickets and(!) Original KSC Tickets can I go with gator tours and (if the launch is scrubbed) use my KSC-Ticket set for the 2nd attempt?
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What is if I miss the planned launch but fortunately (for me) the launch is scrubbed? Can I use my original LTTs?
Or the other way - If I have gator-tour tickets and(!) Original KSC Tickets can I go with gator tours and (if the launch is scrubbed) use my KSC-Ticket set for the 2nd attempt?
As far as I know, KSC LTT Tickets and VC Max. Acces Tickets are valid for the entire mission. So whenever there is a scrub, you can acces the KSC VC.
If you still have your LTT in hand, you can use it to board the bus from VC to the causeway site about 2 hours before launch...
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What is if I miss the planned launch but fortunately (for me) the launch is scrubbed. Can I use my original LTTs?
Or the other way - If I have gator-tour tickets and(!) Original KSC Tickets kann I go with gator tours and (if the launch is scrubbed) use my KSC-Ticket set for the 2nd attempt?
Yep--your LTT tickets are valid until you board that bus so if you miss the original launch attempt, you are in luck as you still have a valid set of LTT tickets. If you go the Gator route, you lose those causeway tickets and the KSC tickets only gain you general admission to the VC. On launch day, the VC is closed to the general public, there are actually separate KSC viewing tickets you need to purchaes in order to watch the launch from the VC.
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So if the Visitor Complex people can buy the LTT tickets after the scrub, why can't the people who have Gator Tour tickets? Is that because the Gator Tour bus won't be coming back for the next attempt?
If that's the case maybe I should get the Gator Tour ticket and KSC VC ticket to get the license for my car. So if the launch will be scrubbed while I'm at the causeway I can get a second LTT ticket and drive myself for the next attempt?
Thanks!
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Yes, those Gator buses leave right away from the causeway, there is no way to stop off at the VC to attempt to purchase the LTT tickets. Best to get Gator ones for the causeway and KSC viewing ones as backup so if it is scrubbed you can indeed come back on your own and at least watch from the VC.
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What is if I miss the planned launch but fortunately (for me) the launch is scrubbed. Can I use my original LTTs?
Or the other way - If I have gator-tour tickets and(!) Original KSC Tickets kann I go with gator tours and (if the launch is scrubbed) use my KSC-Ticket set for the 2nd attempt?
Yep--your LTT tickets are valid until you board that bus so if you miss the original launch attempt, you are in luck as you still have a valid set of LTT tickets. If you go the Gator route, you lose those causeway tickets and the KSC tickets only gain you general admission to the VC. On launch day, the VC is closed to the general public, there are actually separate KSC viewing tickets you need to purchaes in order to watch the launch from the VC.
I had the Gator Tour: In the bus in Orlando, they gave us 2 tickets - One for the Causeway (LTT) and another one for the Visitor Centre (the same one you get from KSC). As long as I do not Board the Causeway Bus (as if I miss the bus), my LTT ticket is still good. But then I need to hitch a ride back to orlando or walk back (which might be faster lol)
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What exactly is the difference between Gator tours tickets and KSC tickets?
Because the KSC are hard to order, while you can easily purchase a Gator ticket.
I've decided to order a Gator ticket. As I understand, we will drive to KSC, visis the VC, and then drive to the causeway?
Can anyone give me more information?
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I just ordered the GATOR tour also. Essentially it is the same launch tickets at the caseway that they distribute throught the Visitor Center but they handle them and distibute them once you get on the bus. The tickets from KSC Visitor Center arrive to the Tour Service by armored vehicles a week before launch. You also get a 2 day pass to the Visitor Center included. I did this to garuntee my ticket at the Causeway.
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Yes, those Gator buses leave right away from the causeway, there is no way to stop off at the VC to attempt to purchase the LTT tickets. Best to get Gator ones for the causeway and KSC viewing ones as backup so if it is scrubbed you can indeed come back on your own and at least watch from the VC.
Thanks for the answer!
Now I get it.
I didn't know that the Gator buses leave right away and there is no way to purchase LTT tickets again. I will keep trying to get the LTT tickets from the KSC Visitor Complex website because Gator is too risky.
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guessing they are using IIS webserver. Can be very finicky if the load suddenly increases. Can often kill the webserver until it is restarted.
Heh. What a surprise :)
GET /index.html HTTP/1.1
Host: www.kennedyspacecenter.com
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Content-Length: 34
Content-Type: text/html
Last-Modified: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:24:07 GMT
Accept-Ranges: bytes
ETag: "23bd443b38e2ca1:b92c"
Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0
X-Powered-By: ASP.NET
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:07:46 GMT
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guessing they are using IIS webserver. Can be very finicky if the load suddenly increases. Can often kill the webserver until it is restarted.
Heh. What a surprise :)
GET /index.html HTTP/1.1
Host: www.kennedyspacecenter.com
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Content-Length: 34
Content-Type: text/html
Last-Modified: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:24:07 GMT
Accept-Ranges: bytes
ETag: "23bd443b38e2ca1:b92c"
Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0
X-Powered-By: ASP.NET
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:07:46 GMT
I would even help them fix it for a couple VIP tickets, but I am sure Delaware North is on top of it.
EDIT: I recently crashed one of my production IIS servers with a new vulnerability testing tool that I have. Exhibited almost identical symptoms to the KSC website. And even once the high traffic ceases, the webserver continues to act the same until it is rebooted.
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I just ordered the GATOR tour also. Essentially it is the same launch tickets at the caseway that they distribute throught the Visitor Center but they handle them and distibute them once you get on the bus. The tickets from KSC Visitor Center arrive to the Tour Service by armored vehicles a week before launch. You also get a 2 day pass to the Visitor Center included. I did this to garuntee my ticket at the Causeway.
Then why don't they go as fast as the tickets at the KSC site. You can order at Gator at this moment without problems, but the site from KSC blacks out.
Why does everyone want the KSC tickets?
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I just ordered the GATOR tour also. Essentially it is the same launch tickets at the caseway that they distribute throught the Visitor Center but they handle them and distibute them once you get on the bus. The tickets from KSC Visitor Center arrive to the Tour Service by armored vehicles a week before launch. You also get a 2 day pass to the Visitor Center included. I did this to garuntee my ticket at the Causeway.
Then why don't they go as fast as the tickets at the KSC site. You can order at Gator at this moment without problems, but the site from KSC blacks out.
Why does everyone want the KSC tickets?
Well, they are half the price.......
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I just ordered the GATOR tour also. Essentially it is the same launch tickets at the caseway that they distribute throught the Visitor Center but they handle them and distibute them once you get on the bus. The tickets from KSC Visitor Center arrive to the Tour Service by armored vehicles a week before launch. You also get a 2 day pass to the Visitor Center included. I did this to garuntee my ticket at the Causeway.
Then why don't they go as fast as the tickets at the KSC site. You can order at Gator at this moment without problems, but the site from KSC blacks out.
Why does everyone want the KSC tickets?
Well, they are half the price.......
I ordered a Gator-Ticket but I'll try to get a KSC ticket, too.
Gator for the first attempt and KSC as Backup
with the chance of getting one for the third....
It's a "once in a liftetime" experience
and the tickets are the smallest amount of the cost of this trip.
- no risks - I will not save money at the most important part of all.
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I just ordered the GATOR tour also. Essentially it is the same launch tickets at the caseway that they distribute throught the Visitor Center but they handle them and distibute them once you get on the bus. The tickets from KSC Visitor Center arrive to the Tour Service by armored vehicles a week before launch. You also get a 2 day pass to the Visitor Center included. I did this to garuntee my ticket at the Causeway.
Then why don't they go as fast as the tickets at the KSC site. You can order at Gator at this moment without problems, but the site from KSC blacks out.
Why does everyone want the KSC tickets?
Well, they are half the price.......
I ordered a Gator-Ticket but I'll try to get a KSC ticket, too.
Gator for the first attempt and KSC as Backup
with the chance of getting one for the third....
It's a "once in a liftetime" experience
and the tickets are the smallest amount of the cost of this trip.
- no risks - I will not save money at the most important part of all.
I know Gator tickets are non-refundable, but are they transferable?
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For STS-131 I had already purchased two Gator Tour tickets when I received word from my congressman's office that my name had come up on the "wait list".
I called Gator Tours to see what my options were, and surprisingly they offered to give me a refund. There's no guarantee, but I wanted to mention this. The Gator Tour tickets sold out the next day. They know that for these last few launches the tickets are guaranteed to sell out, so perhaps they being a bit more flexible.
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Tickets going on sale early next week per KSC website and Twitter.
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For STS-131 I had already purchased two Gator Tour tickets when I received word from my congressman's office that my name had come up on the "wait list".
I called Gator Tours to see what my options were, and surprisingly they offered to give me a refund. There's no guarantee, but I wanted to mention this. The Gator Tour tickets sold out the next day. They know that for these last few launches the tickets are guaranteed to sell out, so perhaps they being a bit more flexible.
Thanks for that. Good to know.
But if I do get KSC tickets, I'll look at selling the Gator ticket here first.
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Tickets going on sale early next week per KSC website and Twitter.
Thanks. I'll be ready for 'round 2' :)
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For STS-131 I had already purchased two Gator Tour tickets when I received word from my congressman's office that my name had come up on the "wait list".
I called Gator Tours to see what my options were, and surprisingly they offered to give me a refund. There's no guarantee, but I wanted to mention this. The Gator Tour tickets sold out the next day. They know that for these last few launches the tickets are guaranteed to sell out, so perhaps they being a bit more flexible.
They should not have any problem selling any tickets they have available.
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I see a lot talk about gator, what about florida dolphin tours? According to the ksc site they are also approved. Are they ok to purchase from? They appear to have the same policies as gator, just not nearly as many pickup locations.
Thx!
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I just ordered the GATOR tour also. Essentially it is the same launch tickets at the caseway that they distribute throught the Visitor Center but they handle them and distibute them once you get on the bus. The tickets from KSC Visitor Center arrive to the Tour Service by armored vehicles a week before launch. You also get a 2 day pass to the Visitor Center included. I did this to garuntee my ticket at the Causeway.
Then why don't they go as fast as the tickets at the KSC site. You can order at Gator at this moment without problems, but the site from KSC blacks out.
Why does everyone want the KSC tickets?
Well, they are half the price.......
Okay. I was thinking that Gator was giving a lousy experience, because to be honest, I don't think 115 dollar is expensive for an experience like this.
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It isn't expensive when you think of how much you spend on travel costs, room & board, souveniers....
It's the WHOLE REASON you are there. Live off of hot dogs & KD if you must, but go all out on the viewing!
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Hummm makes me wonder if ticket purchasing will change yet again as the current set up obviously didn't work LOL
Here we go waiting for round two...
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Gator tours causeway tickets booked and confirmed looking forward to this all the way from Australia,hopefully stays on track STS132 :-)
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and it seems, either graylinelaunch.com /gator tickets
are sold out too, or they stopped selling them.
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I see a lot talk about gator, what about florida dolphin tours? According to the ksc site they are also approved. Are they ok to purchase from? They appear to have the same policies as gator, just not nearly as many pickup locations.
I've used Dolphin, they were fine ... but you hit on the main drawback, pickup locations. They don't have any Titusville locations (at least they didn't when I used them). If you're staying in Orlando, that's fine, but it can be a pain if you're already in Titusville.
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I just booked my tickets with florida dolphin. They have two pickup locations, orlando and cocoa beach. We're staying further south, so the cocoa beach pick worked best fo us. They seem to be the most expensive, but at least I'm assured tickets!
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I've used Dolphin, they were fine ... but you hit on the main drawback, pickup locations. They don't have any Titusville locations (at least they didn't when I used them). If you're staying in Orlando, that's fine, but it can be a pain if you're already in Titusville.
I booked using http://centralfloridatours.com/ They have Titusville pickup.
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does any of you know/ have experience, if KSC Tours (around the pads etc) are still available one day before launch ?
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and it seems, either graylinelaunch.com /gator tickets
are sold out too, or they stopped selling them.
Their site indicates "sales will resume soon". I suspect they have a cooperation agreement with DNC to do sales simultaneously.
FWIW, as additional background (sourced from other posts here or calls to the vendors, I don't remember), the reason KSC/DNC outsources to these other tour operators is that they don't have enough buses to fill the causeway. When I was out for the STS-119 launch, I'd guess there was space for at least twice as many people as were actually there. I walked a few hundred feet down from where the masses were and found a space right on the river instead of being back 10 deep.
does any of you know/ have experience, if KSC Tours (around the pads etc) are still available one day before launch ?
STS-119 was an evening launch, and they were doing regular tours (minus the pad stop) up until about L-4 hours. I was standing at the Saturn V exhibit (Banana Creek VIP site) thinking I should just stow away in a corner for a few hours :)
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Just out of curiosity, for someone who doesn't have to fly over an ocean to get to Florida, are there reasonable views from Titusville, Cocoa Beach or other places on the mainland? I was thinking of flying over at the last moment, and just driving down to Titusville to watch the launch.
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Yeah, Titusville is a great view, just a little further away. Clear, unobstructed view straight to the pad.
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Anyone know if the is some cheap hotels or something not to far from Kennedy Spacecenter? My dream is to see a launch sometime in my life..:)
/Fredrik, Sweden
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Anyone know if the is some cheap hotels or something not to far from Kennedy Spacecenter? My dream is to see a launch sometime in my life..:)
/Fredrik, Sweden
Three Oaks Motel in Titusville. www.threeoaksmoteltitusvillefl.com
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From Twitter.
ExploreSpaceKSC
STS-132 launch viewing tickets on sale Mon. 4/26 at 9 am ET. This link will take you directly to the launch ticket store.
We recommend that you bookmark this link and go directly to this page on the day of sale.
http://www.tickets.com/kennedyspacecenter/ (http://www.tickets.com/kennedyspacecenter/)
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Just out of curiosity, for someone who doesn't have to fly over an ocean to get to Florida, are there reasonable views from Titusville, Cocoa Beach or other places on the mainland?
http://www.launchphotography.com/Shuttle_Launch_Viewing.html
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...which I am flying over from Ireland to see on May 14th(fingers crossed!!)
I'm doing the same.
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...which I am flying over from Ireland to see on May 14th(fingers crossed!!)
I'm doing the same.
Nice one Cian might see you there!
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Hello all,
O.K. Here is the information some of you have been waiting very patiently for!
STS-132 NSF PRE-LAUNCH DINNER!!!!!!!!!
Dinner for all NSF forum members (and those who may be travelling with you. Remember, everyone is welcome) will be held on Thursday, May 13 at 7:30p.m. at Dixie Crossroads in Titusville, FL. This is the day before the scheduled launch of Space Shuttle Atlantis and the STS-132/ULF-4 mission. We will hold dinner at 7:30p.m. due to the retraction of the RSS from Atlantis earlier that afternoon at 5:00p.m.
IMPORTANT INFO: Please respond to this message with a PM on THIS SITE (some of you know me through facebook, but I ask that you please RSVP to this invite on NSF so that all information is kept in one place). In the PM (AND THIS IS IMPORTANT), please include your real name, the number of people who will be attending the dinner with you, and a cell phone number that you can be reached at while you are in Titusville. (Please note that I WILL NOT pass on your cell number to anyone! It will be kept strictly confidential. I ask for a cell phone number because there has been some confusion on restaurant’s part in the past that has prevented people from meeting up with our group.)
It is very, VERY important that you include the number of people in your party as I will be calling the restaurant to make reservations.
ALSO, I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE INCLUDE ALL THIS INFORMATION IN ONE (1) PM, PLEASE. I AM FINISHING UP COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY AND GRADUATING IN EARLY MAY AND AS SUCH CANNOT DEVOTE A GREAT DEAL OF TIME TO TRACKING DOWN INFORMATION FROM MULTIPLE PMs.
On May 13 (for dinner), I ask that you ALL arrive NO LATER THAN 7p.m. as Dixie Crossroads will not seat us until we are all there! The earlier we all arrive, the earlier we can EAT!
Please note that Dixie Crossroads is a seafood restaurant. A complete menu (including non-seafood items) can be found at the following link along with driving directions. http://www.dixiecrossroads.com/
PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS EMAIL NO LATER THAN MAY 7, 2010 AT 7p.m. EDT (I will call the restaurant at 7:30p.m. May 7 to make the reservations.)[/i][/u]
For all of you travelling up, down, over, around to Titusville to witness the final launch of orbiter Atlantis, I wish you all safe travels and clear skies. GO ATLANTIS and GO STS-132/ULF-4!!!!
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Here is "Space Shuttle Cancel Policy" of "Central Florida Tours/Gator Tours/GrayLine Orlando":
http://centralfloridatours.com/reservations/index.php?main_page=page&id=2
Unfortunately, In the event of a scrub once guests have been transported to the Shuttle Viewing Site (NASA Causeway) they do not mention an opportunity to buy a Launch Transportation Ticket (LTT) for the next attempt but instead they say about next attempt that people "would view from the main Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex (not the VIP Shuttle Launch site)".
It is strange, why they would not stop by the Visitor Center on the way back to give people an opportunity to buy Launch Transportation Ticket (LTT) for the next attempt? :o
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Atlantis on LC-39A aiming for a mid-May launch of a unique mission at around 2 p.m. Doesn't that sound familer to a certain mission last year? Heh.
I'm trying to get down to Titsuville for this one, but that is only if they delay to May 15th or the 16th. Anyone know if I can get better than the Astronaut Hall of Fame?
Orbiter
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Here is "Space Shuttle Cancel Policy" of "Central Florida Tours/Gator Tours/GrayLine Orlando":
http://centralfloridatours.com/reservations/index.php?main_page=page&id=2
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It is strange, why they would not stop by the Visitor Center on the way back to give people an opportunity to buy Launch Transportation Ticket (LTT) for the next attempt? :o
Probably because 15000-20000 people are trying to get home....
I'm mean it's a big traffic jam after launch.
During STS-130 mission Gator Tours do offer Causeway tickets to us after the first scrub. Cost: $55 ($20 for ticket + $35 for transportation).
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Oystein
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Atlantis on LC-39A aiming for a mid-May launch of a unique mission at around 2 p.m. Doesn't that sound familer to a certain mission last year? Heh.
I'm trying to get down to Titsuville for this one, but that is only if they delay to May 15th or the 16th. Anyone know if I can get better than the Astronaut Hall of Fame?
Orbiter
Most sites along US 1 in Titusville from the Clarion Inn (just north of the NASA Causeway) northward, will offer an unobstructed view of LC 39 A.
I believe the view from the Astronaut Hall of Fame, besides being a bit further away may not have a clear view of the pad.
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Astronaut HOF is in Titusville, just further south - I believe it's correct that there is not an unobstructed view of the pad, plus being so far south it's further away. No reason to choose there over Titusville...plus Titusville is a whole lot cheaper.
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Astronaut HOF is in Titusville, just further south - I believe it's correct that there is not an unobstructed view of the pad, plus being so far south it's further away. No reason to choose there over Titusville...plus Titusville is a whole lot cheaper.
Im not 100% sure but if you check on google earth I think the line of sight is obstructed by the VAB.
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Im not 100% sure but if you check on google earth I think the line of sight is obstructed by the VAB.
It depends on where you are. From the Clarion Hotel (just north of the Titusville side of the causeway), both pads are clearly visible.
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VAB blocks the view of 39A from the AHOF.
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Im not 100% sure but if you check on google earth I think the line of sight is obstructed by the VAB.
It depends on where you are. From the Clarion Hotel (just north of the Titusville side of the causeway), both pads are clearly visible.
I meant from Hall Of Fame ;)
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Assuming nobody else is seeing the virtual waiting room yet?
EDIT: And there it is.
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waiting room open!
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yep.
let the lottery begin.....
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My roommate's computer went through to a "ticket selection" page where it says tickets are currently not for sale - should we stay on that page or go back to the waiting room? Seems like the page you want to advance too but not sure if it will work when tickets become available or if a refresh is required, which will take us back to the waiting room.
I am in the 15-second refreshing waiting room on my computer.
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i got into that too but exited out. dontt think it will work and didnt want to take the risk but if you have 2 computers might be worth staying in?
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Yeah, I don't think it will work either after I've seen it for awhile, seems like it was generated in error. It does not automatically refresh and based on the URL's I believe if I refresh it will go back to the waiting room.
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Yeah, I don't think it will work either after I've seen it for awhile, seems like it was generated in error. It does not automatically refresh and based on the URL's I believe if I refresh it will go back to the waiting room.
it does
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I agree, it looks like when it took you beyond the 15-second refresh page, that was an error. In the 15-second refresh page, it does say Welcome to the virtual waiting room.
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yep definately the place to be. well for another 30 min anyway.....
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Every 15 seconds my heart rate rises just a little bit as I ask myself, "Is this going to be the time I get through?"
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Has anyone got an opinion as to how long "an extended period of time" is? ie at what point do I start looking at gator Tours etc?
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well they say the tickets could be gone in under a minute. reckon i will give it 20-30 past 0800 to be sure
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My guess after 5 minutes they would be long gone.
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agreed
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It said the virtual waiting room opens at 8 and tickets are on sale at 9. So if you get past the virtual waiting room, do you have to wait until 9 to purchase? Or are people purchasing before 9 if they get past the waiting room?
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From what I understand the VWR is just a "feel-good" measure to let you know everything it working, and to allow them to keep too many people from getting into the ticketing system at once. No ticket sales until 9am.
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No, when you get past the waiting room before 9 it tells you tickets aren't on sale, I believe it is an error on their part and you shouldn't get through until after 9. Additionally, it appears if you get past it before 9, you need to refresh and go back into the waiting room.
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Has anyone got an opinion as to how long "an extended period of time" is? ie at what point do I start looking at gator Tours etc?
I guess that point is long gone. There are no Gator Tours tickets available at the moment.
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From what I understand the VWR is just a "feel-good" measure to let you know everything it working, and to allow them to keep too many people from getting into the ticketing system at once. No ticket sales until 9am.
I certainly don't "feel good" my heart is going like a bee's wings ;)
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Well, at least since the sale starts at 9:00 sharp, it may help to weed out some of that pesky competition that have responsible and respectable 9:00-5:00 jobs.
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Does anyone know about how many causeway tickets are usually sold?
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When 9:00 rolls around, should we be manually refreshing or let it auto-refresh every 15 seconds?
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When 9:00 rolls around, should we be manually refreshing or let it auto-refresh every 15 seconds?
If you refresh, it tells you not to and it will do it automatically.
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Well, at least since the sale starts at 9:00 sharp, it may help to weed out some of that pesky competition that have responsible and respectable 9:00-5:00 jobs.
Oh, don't count on that lol. Work computers are nice and fast. Good luck everyone.I am waiting also.
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Does anyone know if this same KSC site will give us the opportunity to purchase tickets to watch from the visitors center, when the causeway tickets sale out?
That is my backup plan. Then 3rd of course is to watch from titusville.
Thanks,
Jason
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Good luck guys :)
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Good luck! ;)
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For what it's worth, I was told that the powers that be are working on adding additional viewing areas for the final launches. I'm not sure if the changes will be seen on 132, but word on the street is that they're trying to push as hard as possible to have more viewing tickets available to the public.
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There should be a NSF member-only presale for these things.
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Well, at least since the sale starts at 9:00 sharp, it may help to weed out some of that pesky competition that have responsible and respectable 9:00-5:00 jobs.
Nope. I am happily doing this at my responsible and respectable job---irresponsibly ;)
Yes, if LTT sells out you have slightly longer to try for KSC viewing.
Good luck.
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It's the final countdown...
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Good luck! ;)
Countdown-T-One Minute.........
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Well, I'll give it 10 minutes and start looking on ebay...
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anyone winning?
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Yey! Got my tickets!! :)
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congratulations.
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Not looking good.
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at least we know it did work this time
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Nope...trying on 4 different computers and have yet to get past the waiting room. Looks like I'm out of luck.
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so do I still need to be inthis waiting room to get visitor complex viewing tix as well I wonder?
Congrats to the one person who got there tix so far!!
jason
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Yey! Got my tickets!! :)
I'd give you a thumbs-up, but my reaction tends toward using a different finger...
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Beginning at 9:00 a.m. ET, guests will be selected at random to proceed to the order page. Due to the high level of interest in tickets, some visitors may be in the virtual waiting room for an extended period of time.
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i keep getting unable to process due to high volumes
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Yey! Got my tickets!! :)
Well... I got through one minute after the clock on my computer said that tickets had gone on sale.
No problems what so ever during the process of checking out.
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Now trying to sell me Visitor Center tickets. Ballgame.
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i keep getting unable to process due to high volumes
I got the same thing, was finally able to get to the second page but still no go. Sucks
Selling visitor center tics now.
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Only Visitor Complex Ticket left.
We had 4 computers connected and could not get Causeway. Better luck next time.
Dan
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I cant even get it to process VC tickets!
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Im still in waiting room, wonder how long it'll take them to select everyone?
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I made it to the Captcha screen but then got told there were none available :(.
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now my wife is getting unable to process due to high volume.
not sure what to do now. guess keep trying by clicking continue
this is fun huh :)
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I never had a good feeling about this!
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So out of the NSFers here only one got through for causeway tickets?? Come on, fess up. We know where to find you :)
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now lets HOPE she still is launching in May
(flight is booked :-\ )
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In total I had 7 people trying. 3 got through to the ticket selection but couldn't get causeway. :(
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I think I got it, friend was helping me, have to get confirmation from him.
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I guess I'll be visiting my old friend, US-1 again.
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I got the option to buy Causeway Tickets but due to high load error it put me back to ticket room and could then only buy the Visitor Centre ones - ohh well at least I got 2 of them?
I already have a Causeway Tickets confirmed as part of my Grayline/Gator tour - will the Visitor Centre ones be of any use?
Frosty
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So does anyone know what the deal with Gator is? Are they actually sold out? What are the other alternatives?
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I got the option to buy causeway but wouldn't process so I got visitor center tickets. Better than nothing I guess
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No KSC causeway ticket for me :(
I picked up a KSC viewing area ticket for the heck of it though...not sure if that could translate into buying future causeway tickets after the gator tour. Just covering as many bases as possible.
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In total I had 7 people trying. 3 got through to the ticket selection but couldn't get causeway. :(
I have 4 computers up, and 2 are still stuck in the waiting room...
I already have a Causeway Tickets confirmed as part of my Grayline/Gator tour - will the Visitor Centre ones be of any use?
You can't see the pad from the visitor center (except on the jumbotron), which in my book takes away a lot of the fun...
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So out of the NSFers here only one got through for causeway tickets?? Come on, fess up. We know where to find you
--got 'em ;)
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So does anyone know what the deal with Gator is? Are they actually sold out? What are the other alternatives?
I just checked and it looks like the Gator tour is already sold out.
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So does anyone know what the deal with Gator is? Are they actually sold out? What are the other alternatives?
I just checked and it looks like the Gator tour is already sold out.
Someone said earlier in the thread that they thought they actually hadn't.
Either way, Dolphin Tours is still selling causeway tickets, it seems.
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I guess I can close my Firefox window with the VWR.
From KSC Twitter account (http://twitter.com/ExploreSpaceKSC/status/12882495494):
"STS-132 NASA Causeway launch viewing tickets for the May 14 launch are sold out."
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Correction: getting a server error when I try to buy Dolphin tickets.
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I guess I can close my Firefox windows with the VWR
from KSC Twitter account (http://twitter.com/ExploreSpaceKSC/status/12882495494):
"STS-132 NASA Causeway launch viewing tickets for the May 14 launch are sold out."
Thanks. Closed mine now too.
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Is there any reseller that still has tickets? It's not looking good :(
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Looks like the launch gods hate me. Can't even get through to be offered VC or HOF tickets.
Is it legal to resell tickets? I don't have any, but I was wondering if I might see some on ebay or ticket agent sites, and if they would be legal/legit.
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Confirmed! I have a causeway ticket!!!!!
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I know it is a lottery, but I kind of feel cheated here. My wife and I BOTH got past the captcha verification and then were told to retry due to high transaction volume. NOT due to no available tickets, but because the server is too busy....
anyone have any spare tickets you want to sell????
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Gator has some Cocoa Beach tickets.....?not sure how good they are
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my wife never got through, now I tried from another pc and get this on the refresh page at the top.
Please note that all Launch Viewing tickets are Sold Out.
Darn. Is it still possible to get visitor center tix from other means? The reason being is I have a 3 year old, and sitting by a river for 3 hours is a challenge for him :) So I was hoping to at least distract him with the visitor center.
Again, congrats to the ones who got through.
Jason
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I don't see any reason to pay for anything that isn't Causeway. Can watch from Titusville for free.
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All are sold out, even VC.
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Says: "....It's a great way to enjoy a beach day during your vacation as well as have a good view of the space shuttle lift off - you are approx 12 miles away viewing up the coast as it takes off over the Atlantic Ocean - it is a great view."
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So, anyone know when Gator Tours tickets go back on sale?
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Says: "....It's a great way to enjoy a beach day during your vacation as well as have a good view of the space shuttle lift off - you are approx 12 miles away viewing up the coast as it takes off over the Atlantic Ocean - it is a great view."
http://www.launchphotography.com/Shuttle_Launch_Viewing.html says it's 14 miles away and obstructed.
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I see some companies do a launch day kayak tour. That looks like it would be pretty cool, however, as with anything else, they're all sold out. I have my own kayaks, though. How close could I get, and will it be clear where I can and can't be so that I don't mysteriously disappear off the face of the earth after an FBI scuba diver jumps from the water and pulls me in? Just want a decent view!
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Anyone want to see my definition of scum...... http://cgi.ebay.com/STS-132-Space-Shuttle-Launch-Tickets-Causeway-/170478083022?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Tickets_all_in_one&hash=item27b1491bce
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WOw, there are visitor center tickets already on sale on ebay? HOW!!
And man they arent cheap.
Oh well I loved the view we ahd last year from titusville. I just wish the state of FL would open all toll booths after a launch. Going back to Orlando last year after the launch was miserable. ANd this year I will have a pregnant wife in tow :) You notice bathrooms are scarce on that bee line expressway?
Jason
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Anyone want to see my definition of scum...... http://cgi.ebay.com/STS-132-Space-Shuttle-Launch-Tickets-Causeway-/170478083022?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Tickets_all_in_one&hash=item27b1491bce
Everyone needs to open this auction and click the "Report" button. I believe ebay's policy is not to sell a bare ticket for a price in excess of face value
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Anyone want to see my definition of scum...... http://cgi.ebay.com/STS-132-Space-Shuttle-Launch-Tickets-Causeway-/170478083022?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Tickets_all_in_one&hash=item27b1491bce
So lazy he can't even use a picture of Atlantis, but a 29-year-old picture of Columbia.
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Cocoa is more than 12 miles. Titusville is 12 miles. Closest point in Cocoa is closer to 14 I believe.
Still trying to figure out what to do next. Going to look for people selling them on craigslist/ebay. Ordering from Dolphin worries me as there's no option if scrubbed once you're on the causeway...but may go ahead and take that risk, as it's better than nothing.
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Gator has some Cocoa Beach tickets.....?not sure how good they are
Says: "....It's a great way to enjoy a beach day during your vacation as well as have a good view of the space shuttle lift off - you are approx 12 miles away viewing up the coast as it takes off over the Atlantic Ocean - it is a great view."
Unless that's the pick up site (and it doesn't sound like it from your followup), don't do it! For one thing, Cocoa Beach is public access; you don't need to pay a tour bus to take you there (though I suppose it will make dealing with traffic more pleasant). For another, along US-1 in Titusville will be a much better view.
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I see some companies do a launch day kayak tour. That looks like it would be pretty cool, however, as with anything else, they're all sold out. I have my own kayaks, though. How close could I get, and will it be clear where I can and can't be so that I don't mysteriously disappear off the face of the earth after an FBI scuba diver jumps from the water and pulls me in? Just want a decent view!
Dirty-I wish you had gotten some....feel for ya! But u r keeping your sense of humor-tha's good-me too-but still sad
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Anyone want to see my definition of scum...... http://cgi.ebay.com/STS-132-Space-Shuttle-Launch-Tickets-Causeway-/170478083022?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Tickets_all_in_one&hash=item27b1491bce
Scumbag for sure!!!!!!!
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Any Australian members here going to STS-132 launch in need of VC tickets?
Send me a PM, might be able to help you out with VC Tickets on launch day
Frosty
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Gator has some Cocoa Beach tickets.....?not sure how good they are
Says: "....It's a great way to enjoy a beach day during your vacation as well as have a good view of the space shuttle lift off - you are approx 12 miles away viewing up the coast as it takes off over the Atlantic Ocean - it is a great view."
Unless that's the pick up site (and it doesn't sound like it from your followup), don't do it! For one thing, Cocoa Beach is public access; you don't need to pay a tour bus to take you there (though I suppose it will make dealing with traffic more pleasant). For another, along US-1 in Titusville will be a much better view.
Thanks for the advice! I hope you got some tickets Fanatic!
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An ebay auction for 6 causeway tickets just sold for $1200
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I found this message darkly amusing. If they're all sold out, why is it still refreshing the waiting room?
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An ebay auction for 6 causeway tickets just sold for $1200
That is downright immoral and unethical-and not what the Astronauts would want.or NASA. How can they do this?
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How much does a Causeway ticket cost, purchased from the official Delaware North/KSCVC website?
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I think that after all the scumbags get their $500 per LTT on ebay, legitimate sellers who cannot use their tickets will be selling them for much more reasonable prices.
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How much does a Causeway ticket cost, purchased from the official Delaware North/KSCVC website?
It was like $59something with tax
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An ebay auction for 6 causeway tickets just sold for $1200
That is downright immoral and unethical-and not twht the Astronauts would want.or NASA. How can they do this?
Capitalism...not that I like it, but the demand is driving the price.
What's ticking me off is the ticket brokers (such as ebay "**ticket-solution**) that some how managed to get a lot of tickets and are just turning them around for a 500% profit.
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These ebay fellas are indeed the very definition of scum, and what luck that most people who sit in the waiting room are die-hard shuttle fans and this bozo is the one who gets in to order them.
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How much does a Causeway ticket cost, purchased from the official Delaware North/KSCVC website?
About $75 after shipping and all. $200/ea isn't bad, I suppose. One could view it as paying for a service (I dragged my butt out of bed at 5:30 to wait an hour for nothing); it might have been easier to pay someone else to stand in line for me, so to speak. The guy asking $900 each is out of his mind.
It's too bad that NASA has outsourced VC ops to DNC. They could maybe fund the program by selling LTTs direct at a demand driven (i.e. auction) price! ::)
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Okay now they are selling Hall of Fame tickets-you have to call.
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All I wanted was one ticket and these crooks have got six just for profit: Any contact from KSC who can trace these people to either have the tickets revoked or voided?
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I don't think that will happen - it's not worth their effort to do so. It's not NASA/KSC operating it, it's Delaware North.
Selling tickets like this is not unusual, just look at any sporting event. While I wish this was different, it's not.
I'm still not sure how I'm getting tickets as I don't want to pay $300+ on ebay but wish there was a way to get new causeway tickets if scrubbed from Gator/Dolphin.
I'm assuming you need to get back on the Dolphin/Gator bus when they take you to the causeway (no way to get on a KSC bus)?
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Correction: getting a server error when I try to buy Dolphin tickets.
Call them on the phone: 407-352-4646
I just bought from them.
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This Twitter graph gives an insight of how hot the tickets are.
The bubble in the middle is from failed sales attempt on Thursday.
Don't know what the initial bump with "water", "body", and "found" is, though! ???
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Keep trying ebay. I just missed out on a full LTT with two tickets for ~$400. And ebay/paypal has "full buyer protection" for florida tickets in compliance with FL state law. So buying and getting screwed should be protected against on ebay.
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Correction: getting a server error when I try to buy Dolphin tickets.
Call them on the phone: 407-352-4646
I just bought from them.
Thanks! Just called them-yes they have them....$121.00.
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I know it is a lottery, but I kind of feel cheated here. My wife and I BOTH got past the captcha verification and then were told to retry due to high transaction volume. NOT due to no available tickets, but because the server is too busy....
The same story here - I also feel cheated!!!
I also got an offer to buy tickets and then the following message:
"We're sorry, we were unable to process your request due to high transaction volumes. Please try to submit your request again."
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What exactly does the Dolphin package include? If I am staying in Titusville is their package still usable for me?
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I know it is a lottery, but I kind of feel cheated here. My wife and I BOTH got past the captcha verification and then were told to retry due to high transaction volume. NOT due to no available tickets, but because the server is too busy....
The same story here - I also feel cheated!!!
I also got an offer to buy tickets and then the following message:
"We're sorry, we were unable to process your request due to high transaction volumes. Please try to submit your request again."
Sigh-yes I got the same thing...so close-so far! I hardly slept last night out of sheer excitement and nerves...
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Just confirmed 4 tickets through Viator, which sells for Dolphin. Give it a try. Used coupon code 7fab to get 7% off. Good luck!
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Just confirmed 4 tickets through Viator, which sells for Dolphin. Give it a try. Used coupon code 7fab to get 7% off. Good luck!
SWEET! Good for you......
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What exactly does the Dolphin package include? If I am staying in Titusville is their package still usable for me?
They have NASA Causeway tickets but they pickup by bus from Orlando and Cocoa Beach only.
I am not staying Cocoa Beach (all good staff is sold out) I will have to drive by car 60 miles to their pickup location.
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I know it is a lottery, but I kind of feel cheated here. My wife and I BOTH got past the captcha verification and then were told to retry due to high transaction volume. NOT due to no available tickets, but because the server is too busy....
The same story here - I also feel cheated!!!
I also got an offer to buy tickets and then the following message:
"We're sorry, we were unable to process your request due to high transaction volumes. Please try to submit your request again."
Same thing here but I kept using the browser back button to the captcha verification and eventually it went through!
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I'm assuming you need to get back on the Dolphin/Gator bus when they take you to the causeway (no way to get on a KSC bus)?
can't you just ask the dolphin/gator driver to drop you off at the VC ?
How you get back to Orlando or wherever is up to you, after you repurchased LTT tickets.
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Correction: getting a server error when I try to buy Dolphin tickets.
Call them on the phone: 407-352-4646
I just bought from them.
You are my hero :))))))))))))))) Wooooooooooooh :)
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Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. Dophin said they might go back to VC after launch because it's still open, so if that's the case I could buy more LTT's...I have friends in the area that could pick me up. Not sure if they'll actually drop off or not. According to the rep at Dolphin, nobody can go back to the causeway for a second attempt even if they buy from KSC/Delaware North, which as we all know isn't true if they buy more tickets.
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Capitalism...not that I like it, but the demand is driving the price.
What's ticking me off is the ticket brokers (such as ebay "**ticket-solution**) that some how managed to get a lot of tickets and are just turning them around for a 500% profit.
Random thought: What ticket sellers should do for high demand events is implement a system where ticket prices vary not just due to seating location, but size of order. Sell the first two LTTs for $50 ea., the next two for $100, etc. The die-hard fan that wants a ticket for him and a friend gets in cheap, and the ticket-broker wanting a larger block has to deal with a smaller profit margin. Granted, larger groups may suffer a little too, but it may be a net improvement over the status quo...
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Anybody staying at the Clarion want 2 causeway tickets at $250 ea? Package of 4 on ebay for $1000 and I only need 2
EDIT: Have car and will drive so we can share the hang-tag
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Just booked with Dolphin. Hope the first time is the charm. Getting the bus from Cocoa. $121 each, she said they would probably sell out within a few hours and the phones are ringing off the hook.
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What are really the ods of a scrub? I know it happens often, but is there a percentage known?
And how quick do they decide not to launch? Just with a little wind?
And of course how is the weather usually around May? I tend to think it's an ideal weather circumstance.
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Anyone able to get through to KSC customer service? Trying to inquire about ticket selling issues but just keep getting busy signal.
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Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. Dophin said they might go back to VC after launch because it's still open, so if that's the case I could buy more LTT's...I have friends in the area that could pick me up. Not sure if they'll actually drop off or not. According to the rep at Dolphin, nobody can go back to the causeway for a second attempt even if they buy from KSC/Delaware North, which as we all know isn't true if they buy more tickets.
Coming over from the UK on a "once in a lifetime trip" just to see the launch.
I panicked last week and bought two causeway tickets through Gator (specifying pick-up Titusville, even though we will now be staying in Orlando and will have a car). My worry was how to deal with a scrub whilst on the causeway and no way to purchase new tickets if I re-boarded the Gator bus.
This morning I was able to buy two Visitor Centre tickets and car parking placard from KSC. Just wondering now what are my options.
My thinking at the moment is to drive to Titusville, board the coach at the pick-up spot there just to collect the tickets, alight and then drive to the Visitors Centre. That way in the event of a scrub on the causeway, I would be able to forego the Gator coach back to Titusville, take the KSC coach back to the Visitors Centre, buy replacement tickets and leave by car. Plus point is that we would have room and VC tickets for two others in the car.
Alternative would be to find two people with a car from Orlando, have them use the VC and car park tickets, but asking them to bring us back to Orlando in the event of there being a scrub on the causeway requiring abandonment of Gator bus and purchase of new tickets at the VC.
Any thoughts / suggestions / obvious flaws?
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Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. Dophin said they might go back to VC after launch because it's still open, so if that's the case I could buy more LTT's...I have friends in the area that could pick me up. Not sure if they'll actually drop off or not. According to the rep at Dolphin, nobody can go back to the causeway for a second attempt even if they buy from KSC/Delaware North, which as we all know isn't true if they buy more tickets.
Coming over from the UK on a "once in a lifetime trip" just to see the launch.
I panicked last week and bought two causeway tickets through Gator (specifying pick-up Titusville, even though we will now be staying in Orlando and will have a car). My worry was how to deal with a scrub whilst on the causeway and no way to purchase new tickets if I re-boarded the Gator bus.
This morning I was able to buy two Visitor Centre tickets and car parking placard from KSC. Just wondering now what are my options.
My thinking at the moment is to drive to Titusville, board the coach at the pick-up spot there just to collect the tickets, alight and then drive to the Visitors Centre. That way in the event of a scrub on the causeway, I would be able to forego the Gator coach back to Titusville, take the KSC coach back to the Visitors Centre, buy replacement tickets and leave by car. Plus point is that we would have room and VC tickets for two others in the car.
Alternative would be to find two people with a car from Orlando, have them use the VC and car park tickets, but asking them to bring us back to Orlando in the event of there being a scrub on the causeway requiring abandonment of Gator bus and purchase of new tickets at the VC.
Any thoughts / suggestions / obvious flaws?
Same Problem (just Germany instead UK, 1 person instead of 2)
But: Does Gator give you your LTT "in front of the bus" if you
don't go on the bus?
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Today has really got me angry. Ive just been thinking.... for STS-134 and certainly STS-133 is there a possibilty that someone well credited from NSF.com could do some magic and swing a NSF charter bus in the same arrangement the tour company does? Long shot I know but how cool would a NSF bus be with no need for us die hards to wait in a virtual waiting room be :)
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If anyone ends up having extra causeway tickets PLEASE let me know. I only need two and will compensate you well for your troubles.
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My thinking at the moment is to drive to Titusville, board the coach at the pick-up spot there just to collect the tickets, alight and then drive to the Visitors Centre. That way in the event of a scrub on the causeway, I would be able to forego the Gator coach back to Titusville, take the KSC coach back to the Visitors Centre, buy replacement tickets and leave by car. Plus point is that we would have room and VC tickets for two others in the car.
Alternative would be to find two people with a car from Orlando, have them use the VC and car park tickets, but asking them to bring us back to Orlando in the event of there being a scrub on the causeway requiring abandonment of Gator bus and purchase of new tickets at the VC.
Any thoughts / suggestions / obvious flaws?
Only thing you will have to keep in mind though. The causeway tickets from Orlando (and I would assume Cocoa Beach) are coded a different color (green, I believe). So when you are all filed into a very long line to wait for the causeway buses, the people who arrived via Orlando/Cocoa Beach are actually herded into a different line and board different buses, presumeably the ones they arrived to KSC on. So having a ticket of a different color will prevent you from boarding a regular causeway bus. You may have to reconnect with that tour at KSC to ensure you can get out to the causeway. As I am not sure if those buses come back to KSC (and your car) or if they head back to Orlando/Cocoa Beach straightaway, you might want to clarify that part of it before you end up stuck on those buses without a way back to KSC.
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Is there anyone having a detailed "scrub-statistics"?
How often was a Shuttle launch scrubbed within the last 3 hours?
(especially since RTF)
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Today has really got me angry. Ive just been thinking.... for STS-134 and certainly STS-133 is there a possibilty that someone well credited from NSF.com could do some magic and swing a NSF charter bus in the same arrangement the tour company does? Long shot I know but how cool would a NSF bus be with no need for us die hards to wait in a virtual waiting room be :)
Gosh that is a great idea.I would LOVE that. It seems that there is so much risk for ANYONE to view a Launch-but for international travelers-whew. Nerve-wracking. Trying to figure out scenarios and logistics. I am only visiting from Texas so I really feel for those of you across the ocean.
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Senator came through!
Got my confirmation this morning that I am confirmed for congressional tickets. I had to put my name on the request list over a year ago, but I figured with the shuttle being retired, I'd like to hit one of the last 3 flights.
Pretty excited. Now I need a hotel. I tried to get to that three oaks motel one, but it wasn't going through for me. anyone have any other suggestions?
T
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My thinking at the moment is to drive to Titusville, board the coach at the pick-up spot there just to collect the tickets, alight and then drive to the Visitors Centre. That way in the event of a scrub on the causeway, I would be able to forego the Gator coach back to Titusville, take the KSC coach back to the Visitors Centre, buy replacement tickets and leave by car. Plus point is that we would have room and VC tickets for two others in the car.
Alternative would be to find two people with a car from Orlando, have them use the VC and car park tickets, but asking them to bring us back to Orlando in the event of there being a scrub on the causeway requiring abandonment of Gator bus and purchase of new tickets at the VC.
Any thoughts / suggestions / obvious flaws?
Only thing you will have to keep in mind though. The causeway tickets from Orlando (and I would assume Cocoa Beach) are coded a different color (green, I believe). So when you are all filed into a very long line to wait for the causeway buses, the people who arrived via Orlando/Cocoa Beach are actually herded into a different line and board different buses, presumeably the ones they arrived to KSC on. So having a ticket of a different color will prevent you from boarding a regular causeway bus. You may have to reconnect with that tour at KSC to ensure you can get out to the causeway. As I am not sure if those buses come back to KSC (and your car) or if they head back to Orlando/Cocoa Beach straightaway, you might want to clarify that part of it before you end up stuck on those buses without a way back to KSC.
Dolphin told me they may stop at the VC afterward because the VC would be open after the launch still. If so I'd imagine you might be able to buy tickets in case of a scrub.
Not sure if you could somehow get onto a KSC bus instead after the launch - do they check tickets getting back on to buses?
One problem with driving yourself is the lack of a vehicle placard in that case - you won't be allowed to drive into VC unless you have one. I've thought of taking a cab from Titusville if necessary.
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Senator came through!
Got my confirmation this morning that I am confirmed for congressional tickets. I had to put my name on the request list over a year ago, but I figured with the shuttle being retired, I'd like to hit one of the last 3 flights.
T
Is that for Causeway or Saturn V? Either way, congrats.
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Don't know. The NASA rep from the congressional liason office said that the Banana Creek facility is really difficult to get tickets to unless you actually ARE a senator. From what I understand, that is usually astronaut families. Most congressional invitations are for the causeway..not sure if it's any different than the tickets you could buy today.
One week prior to the launch, they will sent me the launch day itinery..where to meet the busses, what time, and where they will take me. I'm REALLY hoping for banana creek (Saturn V center), but I'm happy that I'll be able to watch the launch.
If anyone has any pull with the Congressional Liason's Office, I'd love a recommendation!!!
T
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My thinking at the moment is to drive to Titusville, board the coach at the pick-up spot there just to collect the tickets, alight and then drive to the Visitors Centre. That way in the event of a scrub on the causeway, I would be able to forego the Gator coach back to Titusville, take the KSC coach back to the Visitors Centre, buy replacement tickets and leave by car. Plus point is that we would have room and VC tickets for two others in the car.
Alternative would be to find two people with a car from Orlando, have them use the VC and car park tickets, but asking them to bring us back to Orlando in the event of there being a scrub on the causeway requiring abandonment of Gator bus and purchase of new tickets at the VC.
Any thoughts / suggestions / obvious flaws?
Only thing you will have to keep in mind though. The causeway tickets from Orlando (and I would assume Cocoa Beach) are coded a different color (green, I believe). So when you are all filed into a very long line to wait for the causeway buses, the people who arrived via Orlando/Cocoa Beach are actually herded into a different line and board different buses, presumeably the ones they arrived to KSC on. So having a ticket of a different color will prevent you from boarding a regular causeway bus. You may have to reconnect with that tour at KSC to ensure you can get out to the causeway. As I am not sure if those buses come back to KSC (and your car) or if they head back to Orlando/Cocoa Beach straightaway, you might want to clarify that part of it before you end up stuck on those buses without a way back to KSC.
Dolphin told me they may stop at the VC afterward because the VC would be open after the launch still. If so I'd imagine you might be able to buy tickets in case of a scrub.
Not sure if you could somehow get onto a KSC bus instead after the launch - do they check tickets getting back on to buses?
One problem with driving yourself is the lack of a vehicle placard in that case - you won't be allowed to drive into VC unless you have one. I've thought of taking a cab from Titusville if necessary.
That's interesting. I'll have to check the same with Gator tours.
I will now have a VC viewing ticket & Gator tour causeway ticket.
If I rent a car and park at the VC lot, I might be able to get a ride (or taxi) to the K-mart parking lot for the Gator tour. Then on the way back, have them drop me off at the VC (or thereabouts), get a replacement causeway ticket (in case of scrub), and get the rental car from the VC lot.
The things you (might) have to do...
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Bought Dolphin tickets, better than nothing and I hate the suspense of not knowing. Compared to the ebay prices today, its a fair deal.
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Bought Dolphin tickets, better than nothing and I hate the suspense of not knowing. Compared to the ebay prices today, its a fair deal.
It is a fair deal.
Well, at least if there's a scrub, with cell phone in hand, you should be able to call Dolphin/Gator and get another chance. Be sure to program that on speed dial :)
(note to self: need to get a cell phone)
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Most congressional invitations are for the causeway..not sure if it's any different than the tickets you could buy today.
Beefstew, I don't know if the congressional tickets from the Senate are any different, but I know that the tickets I got from my congressional Rep for STS-132 are for the causeway. Perhaps they put us in the part of the causeway closer to the pad (the NW end of the causeway) compared to the regular (paying) ticket-holders. I don't know.
The NW end of the causeway is only 6.25 miles from LC-39A according to google earth as the crow flies. The SE end is 7.75 miles away.
I have heard of congressional ticketholders getting bumped on rare occasion to the Saturn V/VIP area, but only in the event that multiple delays and scrubs led to the crowd at the VIP area to thin out enough to open up the extra space.
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My invitation didn't say anything about where I would be located, but just asked me to RSVP (by the 26th.) I sent them the RSVP info and got the automated Confirmation email back. They said they'd send more info about a week before the launch.
A friend of mine had Congressional tickets for a lauch that got pushed back a few months. The Congressional Liason office called him and offered VIP Saturn V tickets to the next lauch. Of course, he took them up on the offer. He showed me the pictures, and it looked awesome. He was there 3 hrs early and spent the time walking through the Saturn V center...I could easily get lost in there for a few hours.
The funny thing is that he said at T+10 mins, they started to push everyone towards the busses. Apparently some exhaust was heading their way and it *might* contain acid..so they wanted to get everyone out.
I watched a lauch from the side of road (beeline) but I'm really hoping to get to Banana Creek..
Did your invite (from your representative) specifically mention a location?
t
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I watched a lauch from the side of road (beeline) but I'm really hoping to get to Banana Creek..
I've seen a lot of launches from up close (Banana Creek, press site, etc), and I've seen a lot of launches from the Causeway. From the Causeway the experience is awesome, and yes, from up close it is awesome x 10. If you [only] end up at the Causeway, don't worry - you won't be disappointed and you should in no way feel like you missed anything. Sort of like the difference between winning the lottery for $10 million and winning the lottery for $100 million. In the end, you're rich either way! :)
The biggest difference in seeing it from up close is the sound. You don't get the same ground-shaking experience at the Causeway, though it is still impressive. On the flip side, a big drawback of Banana Creek is the crowd. It was crowded beyond belief at the last launch. I heard they squeezed an extra 2000 people into the site, which is only designed for 3500 or so. Unattended children are also a problem there. I suppose that's not a problem unique to that site, but I've never had a tripod knocked over by someone's kid at the Causeway.
Just my two cents.
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i managed to get congressional causeway tickets for STS-130 in february.
because the congressional buses meet in titusville and get screened in the back of the visitor's center parking lot, we never actually set foot inside the visitor's center that night, and didn't get the two-day KSCVC passes that are included with a regular causeway ticket.
i ended up having to mail order my endeavour shirt and patch when i got home, because we never actually got to the gift shop at the KSCVC that night and the shops at the airport were sold out.
the lines were long at every point and we were running pretty late, so our bus actually pulled in well towards the back of the line of causeway buses, about as far east on the causeway as you can get.
after the scrub i asked if we had a chance of being upgraded to the banana creek site at the next attempt, what with the usual scrub attrition and all, and the girl on our bus said it was highly unlikely because of the sheer number of congressional pass holders that attended that launch.
unfortunately, congressional passes are probably causeway-only for these last few launches. the flip side is that you don't need to wrestle with any trips to the box office for more passes in the event of a scrub -- your invitation is good until they launch.
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I know I'm asking a biased audience here, but would those of you who have seen a shuttle launch recommend it to a pretty big shuttle fan? I've wanted to see a launch for years and was hoping for causeway tickets this morning. My plan right now is to go to Titusville instead. The trip for me from New York will probably cost me around $500 (luckily I have a place to stay for free). I'm a college student, but I do have some money to spend.
I guess my question is basically is it worth coming down to see this launch at Titusville (it works out nicely with my schedule), should I try to shell out some additional money for causeway tickets by other means, should I hope for better luck on one of the two remaining launches (demand can only increase though right?) or should I save my money and see some other launch at the Cape sometime?
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OK....So I was not able to get tickets for the launch. I'm thinking of going to Space View Park in Titusville...figure if I get there early I can get a good spot.
So whats the general consensus.....is that the best viewing spot?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks for your help, Tim
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I would hit ebay and spacecoast.craigslist.org/tix and orlando.craigslist.org/tix
see if there is anything there that you can live with the price of.
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Yes, viewing the launch from Titusville is worth the trip.
For you too as well, tim202--Titusville (Clarion parking lot, small parks along the waterfront) well worth it!
-Tom
I know I'm asking a biased audience here, but would those of you who have seen a shuttle launch recommend it to a pretty big shuttle fan? I've wanted to see a launch for years and was hoping for causeway tickets this morning. My plan right now is to go to Titusville instead. The trip for me from New York will probably cost me around $500 (luckily I have a place to stay for free). I'm a college student, but I do have some money to spend.
I guess my question is basically is it worth coming down to see this launch at Titusville (it works out nicely with my schedule), should I try to shell out some additional money for causeway tickets by other means, should I hope for better luck on one of the two remaining launches (demand can only increase though right?) or should I save my money and see some other launch at the Cape sometime?
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OK....So I was not able to get tickets for the launch. I'm thinking of going to Space View Park in Titusville...figure if I get there early I can get a good spot.
So whats the general consensus.....is that the best viewing spot?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks for your help, Tim
View-wise, anywhere along the river on US-1 gives more or less the same view. But the crowd atmosphere is much better at Space View Park, in my opinion. More excitement.
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Hi all
First time poster, log time reader. ;D
Just wanted to say thanks for all the advice given over the last few weeks.
My family and I are coming over from Adelaide, Australia. Staying in Cocoa beach (after the hell of days in Disney :-X)
After waiting for an hour last night on hold and in the waiting room I took the forum advice and called Dolphin tours. I tried 3 times got through and purchased 3 Causeway tickets!! ;D ;D ;D
Are there any other Aussies coming over with Dolphin tours Cocoa Beach pickup?
Does the tour group get herded around together so no one walks off? Is there a separate line for the LTT?
Which Ron Jon's is the pick up point?
My son is totally bouncing off the walls, and we are all very excited.
Thanks again every one, this is the best space forum around.
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Can anyone else say how long it took to receive their Dolphin tours confirmation email?
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Can anyone else say how long it took to receive their Dolphin tours confirmation email?
I got my email 45 minutes later, the lady at dolphin said they were really busy.
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Can anyone else say how long it took to receive their Dolphin tours confirmation email?
I got my email 45 minutes later, the lady at dolphin said they were really busy.
Ill have to call them tomorrow then, I ordered mine like 4 hours ago.
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Is there anyone having a detailed "scrub-statistics"?
How often was a Shuttle launch scrubbed within the last 3 hours?
(especially since RTF)
A friend of mine asked me a similar question as we were debating the Gator Tours route. Here's what I came up with (source = Bill Harwood's CBS site):
Post Columbia flights: 18
First attempt successful: 9 (not counting delays prior to countdown start at L-3 days)
Of the 9 flights with at least one scrub, 4 launched within 4 days of the first attempt.
One might therefore conclude that if the initial attempt is May 14, and you stick around until May 17, you have a 72% chance of seeing a launch.
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Hi Guys
All very excited about coming to see STS-132 launch and visit the area in a couple of weeks.
I have Causeway tickets as part of a Grayline tour on the big day - I am trying to work out where the actual "Causeway Viewing Area" is - I have attached a GoogleMaps map of the area - would someone who has been there before be able to mark on the map where it is and repost perhaps?
I am sure it would help a few of us first timers get a lay of the area.
Also I ended up getting a Visitor Centre Launch day ticket in the mad rush for online tickets last night - thought it might come in handy?
I have read stories of if once you get on "the bus" to head to the Causeway veiwing area and there is a delay to launch you loose your Causeway ticket? Will the VC Ticket let me come back on next launch attempt (Not to the Causeway though)??
Tks
Frosty
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... I am trying to work out where the actual "Causeway Viewing Area" is - I have attached a GoogleMaps map of the area - would someone who has been there before be able to mark on the map where it is and repost perhaps?
Causeway viewing area is the 405 marker just above the (c)2010 Google label.
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Hi all
First time poster, log time reader. ;D
Just wanted to say thanks for all the advice given over the last few weeks.
My family and I are coming over from Adelaide, Australia. Staying in Cocoa beach (after the hell of days in Disney :-X)
After waiting for an hour last night on hold and in the waiting room I took the forum advice and called Dolphin tours. I tried 3 times got through and purchased 3 Causeway tickets!! ;D ;D ;D
Are there any other Aussies coming over with Dolphin tours Cocoa Beach pickup?
Does the tour group get herded around together so no one walks off? Is there a separate line for the LTT?
Which Ron Jon's is the pick up point?
My son is totally bouncing off the walls, and we are all very excited.
Thanks again every one, this is the best space forum around.
There's only one Ron Jon that I know of - it's a huge store on 520 and A1A I believe.
That's also my pickup point - I'll probably see you there!
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I know I'm asking a biased audience here, but would those of you who have seen a shuttle launch recommend it to a pretty big shuttle fan? I've wanted to see a launch for years and was hoping for causeway tickets this morning. My plan right now is to go to Titusville instead. The trip for me from New York will probably cost me around $500 (luckily I have a place to stay for free). I'm a college student, but I do have some money to spend.
I guess my question is basically is it worth coming down to see this launch at Titusville (it works out nicely with my schedule), should I try to shell out some additional money for causeway tickets by other means, should I hope for better luck on one of the two remaining launches (demand can only increase though right?) or should I save my money and see some other launch at the Cape sometime?
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You will regret it and punish yourself for the rest of your life if you do NOT see a Shuttle launch in person.
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OK....So I was not able to get tickets for the launch. I'm thinking of going to Space View Park in Titusville...figure if I get there early I can get a good spot.
So whats the general consensus.....is that the best viewing spot?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks for your help, Tim
View-wise, anywhere along the river on US-1 gives more or less the same view. But the crowd atmosphere is much better at Space View Park, in my opinion. More excitement.
Anywhere the A. Max Brewer Parkway is good to. It's northwest of the pad so (save clouds) you're guaranteed an unobstructed view.
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It is really depressing to see these scalpers (sinful people) who sell $59 tickets for $900. :(
I think it is going to be even worse for the last two launches.
Kennedy Space Center should do something about it - they can ask for names of the people who make the reservation and print it on the tickets and then verify the names when people come for the launch. This way there will be no scalping at all.
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That wouldn't make any sense for them though. Takes extra manpower, extra effort, thus extra time and extra expense.
If Delaware North wanted to capitalize on the demand, they'd raise the prices, as they are clearly selling them for lower than their value.
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I know I'm asking a biased audience here, but would those of you who have seen a shuttle launch recommend it to a pretty big shuttle fan? I've wanted to see a launch for years and was hoping for causeway tickets this morning. My plan right now is to go to Titusville instead. The trip for me from New York will probably cost me around $500 (luckily I have a place to stay for free). I'm a college student, but I do have some money to spend.
I guess my question is basically is it worth coming down to see this launch at Titusville (it works out nicely with my schedule), should I try to shell out some additional money for causeway tickets by other means, should I hope for better luck on one of the two remaining launches (demand can only increase though right?) or should I save my money and see some other launch at the Cape sometime?
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You will regret it and punish yourself for the rest of your life if you do NOT see a Shuttle launch in person.
Chris-I LOVE your answer....that is the way I feel about it. I am in Austin Texas and I have never seen a Launch. Yesterday my daughter and I drove to Johnson Space Center Houston and I walked in and sat down and cried.... but just for minute! As part of the visit experience we got to see the Mission Control Room. They haven't hung STS131 Patch on the wall yet. Apparently there is a tradition where the Shuttle Crew gathers and nominates the person who went over and above the call of duty, and it is that Astronaut who is elected to hang the patch in the Mission Control room. But there was still a sign up in the Control Room that said Good Luck STS131. It was so awesome.
We also saw the huge room where the Astronauts train....with near-scale mock-ups. The final thing the tour guide pointed out to us in that area was an American Flag hanging on one wall. He told us that that particular American Flag is the ACTUAL flag which will be placed on Mars when we arrive there in 2035 or some approximate time.
We also saw a Saturn V Rocket on loan from the Smithsonian Institute. Blew us away-it is so huge.
The whole visit was like a dream....they almost had to drag people out of there.
This is the Year of The Shuttle-the end of an era-historic and heart-wrenching. A proper salute and final goodbye is well in order and I am proud of all of you here who honor all that. Texas salutes you all!
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Oh yeah.......
"The Saturn V was the largest operational launch vehicle ever produced. Standing over 363 feet high with its Apollo Spacecraft payload, it produced over 7.5 million pounds of thrust at lift-off. These pages contain a mixture of photos of the three examples on display at the Johnson Space Center, Kennedy Space Center and the Alabama Space and Rocket Center. Of these three, only the JSC vehicle is made up entirely of former flight-ready (although mismatched) components."
http://www.apollosaturn.com/saturnv.htm
Yes-Space Travel is exciting! Congraulations to all who are going.
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Check out the Patch
http://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/kippsphotos/saturn5.html
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Can't wait just hope everything stays on time.I booked via central florida tours VIP Causeway tickets which the tickets are for gator tours.The last launch viewed was STS-91 from the astronaut hall of fame. It was a moment i will never forget as Chris said don't miss one or you will regret it.
Getting a hire car just hope i don't get lost the day before the launch.
Colin
Melbourne Australia..
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I know I'm asking a biased audience here, but would those of you who have seen a shuttle launch recommend it to a pretty big shuttle fan? I've wanted to see a launch for years and was hoping for causeway tickets this morning. My plan right now is to go to Titusville instead. The trip for me from New York will probably cost me around $500 (luckily I have a place to stay for free). I'm a college student, but I do have some money to spend.
I guess my question is basically is it worth coming down to see this launch at Titusville (it works out nicely with my schedule), should I try to shell out some additional money for causeway tickets by other means, should I hope for better luck on one of the two remaining launches (demand can only increase though right?) or should I save my money and see some other launch at the Cape sometime?
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You will regret it and punish yourself for the rest of your life if you do NOT see a Shuttle launch in person.
Chris-I LOVE your answer....that is the way I feel about it. I am in Austin Texas and I have never seen a Launch. Yesterday my daughter and I drove to Johnson Space Center Houston and I walked in and sat down and cried.... but just for minute! As part of the visit experience we got to see the Mission Control Room. They haven't hung STS131 Patch on the wall yet. Apparently there is a tradition where the Shuttle Crew gathers and nominates the person who went over and above the call of duty, and it is that Astronaut who is elected to hang the patch in the Mission Control room. But there was still a sign up in the Control Room that said Good Luck STS131. It was so awesome.
It is actually the lead Flight Director who chooses who will hang the plaque; usually the one chosen is a lead flight controller for that flight.
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I know I'm asking a biased audience here, but would those of you who have seen a shuttle launch recommend it to a pretty big shuttle fan? I've wanted to see a launch for years and was hoping for causeway tickets this morning. My plan right now is to go to Titusville instead. The trip for me from New York will probably cost me around $500 (luckily I have a place to stay for free). I'm a college student, but I do have some money to spend.
I guess my question is basically is it worth coming down to see this launch at Titusville (it works out nicely with my schedule), should I try to shell out some additional money for causeway tickets by other means, should I hope for better luck on one of the two remaining launches (demand can only increase though right?) or should I save my money and see some other launch at the Cape sometime?
I have lurked in the shadows on this site far, far too long. Time for a good story that I hope will help you make up your mind to make the trip! :)
I am 31 years old -- essentially a child of the Space Shuttle age. Even though I was only a small child at the time, I can vividly remember my mom sitting me on her lap at something like 4 o'clock in the morning to watch STS-1 lift off for the first time on our 25" color console-style TV back in 1981. As I grew older, I eagerly awaited the rattling of our windows every time a space shuttle would announce its arrival home above our apartment just outside of Los Angeles, CA. And then there was that cold January morning I will never forget as my second grade teacher clasped her hand across her mouth as a volunteer parent whispered in her ear that Challenger and her crew was gone.
Fast forward nearly three years to September 29th, 1988, the day I ran to every classroom at the beginning of school to tell our teachers to turn on their TVs so we could watch Discovery return America to space. As the years went on, I became more and more hooked on space, and I wanted nothing more than to grow up and become an astronaut. I followed every mission from start to finish, learned the jargon, and read everything that I could about the shuttle. To this day, I probably still hold the record for the longest time that anyone has had "The Space Shuttle Operator's Manual" checked out for the Norwalk Public Library (I think I had it for over a year).
But time and life intervened, and I never went to see a shuttle land at Edwards. I never made the trip to KSC to see a launch. I didn't become an astronaut. The shuttle program experienced many more successes and one more heartbreak. Still, the passion for space lived inside of me, only trapped by circumstances that stopped me from living out my dream of experiencing the shuttle up close (or at least closer than watching it lazily coast above my backyard while in orbit).
Then I grew up.
Twenty-seven long years passed from STS-1 until one Thanksgiving weekend a couple of years back when I said "enough is enough", and I jumped in the car to race up to Edwards for a date with Endeavour as she headed home. Seeing the Orbiter plunge toward the runway and then gently touchdown was all it took to get me hooked. What an amazing machine!
Since then, I have made the effort to see the shuttle every chance I can...call it making up for lost time. In September 2009, I headed out to Edwards again and this time was able to position myself right beneath the HAC to watch Discovery as she turned to line up with the runway right before sunset...a beautiful sight! Then in November of last year, I was lucky enough to set up a business trip to Orlando the same week that Atlantis was set to launch. Although I was stuck working on launch day, I was amazed at how incredible it was to watch Atlantis head uphill, even from 40 miles away.
Finally, three weeks ago, I achieved my lifelong dream as I found myself among thousands of onlookers from all over the world as we stood along the shores of the Indian River to watch as Discovery made her second-to-last trip to space. "Far too long" I thought as the count wound down from T-31 seconds. At T-6.6 seconds when I saw the steam begin to billow out from under the MLP as the SSMEs came to life, I thought for sure that either I was dreaming or there was about to be an engine abort and she wouldn't lift off. I guess I was in denial that I was finally there after all that time! But the count wound down to zero, and suddenly I went from standing in the murky twilight of predawn to being bathed in the most beautiful light I think I've ever seen.
The experience was nothing like I imagined...it was better! On television, a night launch tends to look like a ball of light rising slowly off the pad. In real life, you see this unimaginably bright flickering flame literally leap off of the pad and dart toward the stars. And when the sound of liftoff finally reaches you more than half a minute after launch, you're not quite prepared for the bone rumbling vibration that passes through your whole body for about 10 seconds.
In the case of STS-131, I got an extra bonus as the exhaust plume from the SRBs and later the water vapor exhaust from the SSMEs was lit by the predawn sun at altitude, creating a beautiful visual display. I guess although I waited almost 29 years to see a shuttle launch, I picked a good one -- all of the long time shuttle veterans in Titusville told me that STS-131 was by far the most visually stunning launch in the Program's history.
I probably won't get a chance to head back to Florida for 132, 133, or 134 (or 135, Congress-wiling). And I realize that after this year, the closest I'll probably get to the American space program for a LONG time is when the ISS makes a zenith pass above my backyard. But I can tell you with certainty that my two year long adventure chasing Space Shuttles in the high desert of California and in the gator-infested swamps of Florida was well worth it.
If you have a chance over the next few months to make the trip to the Space Coast for a launch, go. Don't hesitate. Don't worry about what it costs. Don't make excuses. If you have children, bring them -- it might be the last time they see a piloted American spacecraft launch for a very, very long time. It will be an experience that you won't forget.
--Craig
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I know I'm asking a biased audience here, but would those of you who have seen a shuttle launch recommend it to a pretty big shuttle fan? I've wanted to see a launch for years and was hoping for causeway tickets this morning. My plan right now is to go to Titusville instead. The trip for me from New York will probably cost me around $500 (luckily I have a place to stay for free). I'm a college student, but I do have some money to spend.
I guess my question is basically is it worth coming down to see this launch at Titusville (it works out nicely with my schedule), should I try to shell out some additional money for causeway tickets by other means, should I hope for better luck on one of the two remaining launches (demand can only increase though right?) or should I save my money and see some other launch at the Cape sometime?
I have lurked in the shadows on this site far, far too long. Time for a good story that I hope will help you make up your mind to make the trip! :)
I am 31 years old -- essentially a child of the Space Shuttle age. Even though I was only a small child at the time, I can vividly remember my mom sitting me on her lap at something like 4 o'clock in the morning to watch STS-1 lift off for the first time on our 25" color console-style TV back in 1981. As I grew older, I eagerly awaited the rattling of our windows every time a space shuttle would announce its arrival home above our apartment just outside of Los Angeles, CA. And then there was that cold January morning I will never forget as my second grade teacher clasped her hand across her mouth as a volunteer parent whispered in her ear that Challenger and her crew was gone.
Fast forward nearly three years to September 29th, 1988, the day I ran to every classroom at the beginning of school to tell our teachers to turn on their TVs so we could watch Discovery return America to space. As the years went on, I became more and more hooked on space, and I wanted nothing more than to grow up and become an astronaut. I followed every mission from start to finish, learned the jargon, and read everything that I could about the shuttle. To this day, I probably still hold the record for the longest time that anyone has had "The Space Shuttle Operator's Manual" checked out for the Norwalk Public Library (I think I had it for over a year).
But time and life intervened, and I never went to see a shuttle land at Edwards. I never made the trip to KSC to see a launch. I didn't become an astronaut. The shuttle program experienced many more successes and one more heartbreak. Still, the passion for space lived inside of me, only trapped by circumstances that stopped me from living out my dream of experiencing the shuttle up close (or at least closer than watching it lazily coast above my backyard while in orbit).
Then I grew up.
Twenty-seven long years passed from STS-1 until one Thanksgiving weekend a couple of years back when I said "enough is enough", and I jumped in the car to race up to Edwards for a date with Endeavour as she headed home. Seeing the Orbiter plunge toward the runway and then gently touchdown was all it took to get me hooked. What an amazing machine!
Since then, I have made the effort to see the shuttle every chance I can...call it making up for lost time. In September 2009, I headed out to Edwards again and this time was able to position myself right beneath the HAC to watch Discovery as she turned to line up with the runway right before sunset...a beautiful sight! Then in November of last year, I was lucky enough to set up a business trip to Orlando the same week that Atlantis was set to launch. Although I was stuck working on launch day, I was amazed at how incredible it was to watch Atlantis head uphill, even from 40 miles away.
Finally, three weeks ago, I achieved my lifelong dream as I found myself among thousands of onlookers from all over the world as we stood along the shores of the Indian River to watch as Discovery made her second-to-last trip to space. "Far too long" I thought as the count wound down from T-31 seconds. At T-6.6 seconds when I saw the steam begin to billow out from under the MLP as the SSMEs came to life, I thought for sure that either I was dreaming or there was about to be an engine abort and she wouldn't lift off. I guess I was in denial that I was finally there after all that time! But the count wound down to zero, and suddenly I went from standing in the murky twilight of predawn to being bathed in the most beautiful light I think I've ever seen.
The experience was nothing like I imagined...it was better! On television, a night launch tends to look like a ball of light rising slowly off the pad. In real life, you see this unimaginably bright flickering flame literally leap off of the pad and dart toward the stars. And when the sound of liftoff finally reaches you more than half a minute after launch, you're not quite prepared for the bone rumbling vibration that passes through your whole body for about 10 seconds.
In the case of STS-131, I got an extra bonus as the exhaust plume from the SRBs and later the water vapor exhaust from the SSMEs was lit by the predawn sun at altitude, creating a beautiful visual display. I guess although I waited almost 29 years to see a shuttle launch, I picked a good one -- all of the long time shuttle veterans in Titusville told me that STS-131 was by far the most visually stunning launch in the Program's history.
I probably won't get a chance to head back to Florida for 132, 133, or 134 (or 135, Congress-wiling). And I realize that after this year, the closest I'll probably get to the American space program for a LONG time is when the ISS makes a zenith pass above my backyard. But I can tell you with certainty that my two year long adventure chasing Space Shuttles in the high desert of California and in the gator-infested swamps of Florida was well worth it.
If you have a chance over the next few months to make the trip to the Space Coast for a launch, go. Don't hesitate. Don't worry about what it costs. Don't make excuses. If you have children, bring them -- it might be the last time they see a piloted American spacecraft launch for a very, very long time. It will be an experience that you won't forget.
--Craig
Thanks for the great story, and thanks to everyone else who responded to me. I think I'll go for it. Perhaps as a sign I got my tax return back today, which should cover the cost of the trip. :D
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How would you be able to see Atlantis after dark ?
KSC closes at 6pm.
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How would you be able to see Atlantis after dark ?
KSC closes at 6pm.
With lights!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phiden/3648239985/
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How would you be able to see Atlantis after dark ?
KSC closes at 6pm.
go to space view park in titusville. nobody's there the night before; you can walk right out onto the pier. do NOT forget the bug repellent.
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Tried yesterday morning to get tickets through NASA for the causeway, got in but only had visitor center left. Decided against getting those and found some VIP tickets (causeway) through floridadolphintours.com. The tickets were twice what NASA was charging but they do bus pickups at area hotels so I dont have to drive there myself. This will be my first shuttle experience and I am looking forward to it.
My question is how long is the launch window (days, I know each is a 10 minute window). I thought I read it was something like 6 days before they would have to take her back to the VAB. I still have some time to extend my trip past then if it is longer than that.
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Has anyone ever watched the launch from the astronaut hall of fame? I know you can get the same view for free, but I have to consider a pregnant wife that might need use of restrooms more often ,and a 3 year old that might need to be entertained?
I am not sure what all they have to do at the hall of fame as I have never been.
THe place we watched from last year in titusville was great, but it was an empty parking lot, with not bathrooms in site.
I am not sure how much the HOF tickets are.
Thanks for any help
Jason
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Seems to be a huge amount of interest in this launch. Don't think we've ever had a 29 page viewing thread at this stage of the flow.
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Seems to be a huge amount of interest in this launch. Don't think we've ever had a 29 page viewing thread at this stage of the flow.
Most of the posts are related to the incredible rush to buy the KSC/Delaware North Causeway viewing tickets.
I'm glad I've decided to fly in to watch this launch and not the next ones because I don't even want to imagine what chaos will be around Titusville for those launches.
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Seems to be a huge amount of interest in this launch. Don't think we've ever had a 29 page viewing thread at this stage of the flow.
Personally I've always wanted to see a launch, and it was something i was going to do while I was in the States. Now, with only a few left I've had to make the trip just to see it and want to make sure everything is right. Im sure alot of international travelers are the same.
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Has anyone ever watched the launch from the astronaut hall of fame? I know you can get the same view for free, but I have to consider a pregnant wife that might need use of restrooms more often ,and a 3 year old that might need to be entertained?
I am not sure what all they have to do at the hall of fame as I have never been.
THe place we watched from last year in titusville was great, but it was an empty parking lot, with not bathrooms in site.
I watched STS-125 Atlantis last May from a spot along US-1 that I would estimate was about a mile and a half south of Space View Park. It was just an empty lot along the river where a lot of people pulled off, but across the road was a gas station and a (Mexican ?) restaurant that would obviously have bathrooms. Another quarter mile or so further north, there was a McDonald's on the river side of the road with a good view. I can't recall whether or not it had a McDonald's playground, but if it did, that may be an ideal spot bathroom/child entertainment/view of the pad-wise.
I went to the Hall of Fame about a year and a half ago, the day after seeing STS-126 Endeavour. It was nice, but it wasn't big or anything. If memory serves me right, the biggest thing there they have is the gift shop (of course!). They have a little movie theater that plays the same 10-minute film about how awesome astronauts are over and over, then you progress to the main museum room, which contains a couple space suits, a Gemini capsule, an Apollo command module (bend down and check the charred bottom from reentry, pretty neat!), a case of nick-nacks such as the astronaut Snoopy doll, a couple mission control consoles rigged up with phones you put to your ear so you can listen to interviews or mission audio, and a few other things. The next room is the actual "hall of fame" in that it is the room without all the flashy display stuff, but which is decorated simply and elegantly with the names, mission patches, and (maybe) pictures of the inducted astronauts. Off in the corner in the back of that room, I think there are also little memorials to the fallen astronauts. The last room I guess is the "kid zone," and it has a centrifuge you can ride 2 at a time (I imagine the wait for this on a launch day will be VERY long- also, I wouldn't ride or allow a child to ride it on launch day. It peaks at 4 G's, and after I got off it, I was feeling moderately ill for the rest of the day, which would be horrible if you're stuck in place for four or five hours), this thing where you get inside and there's a green screen and you jump around essentially being "inside" this video game they are displaying on television screens, and a couple of other kiddie exhibits. This room leads back to the gift shop and the entrance. Somewhere in there, there is a bathroom or two that I think are pretty regular in size (maybe 4 or 5 stalls or so). I imagine they'll get lots of use on launch day, and the kid zone at the Hall of Fame will be mayhem beyond the worst day at Chuck E. Cheese. You also won't have a view of the pad, or the launch at all for the first 10 seconds or so. I think they will have a jumbo-tron and mission control/PAO audio, though.
When I saw STS-126, I saw it at Space View Park, and I had my little brothers with me, who were ages 8, 6, and 1.5 at the time. We were sitting there for about 4 hours, immediately after spending about 11 hours in the car driving down from North Carolina. Space View Park has a restroom I believe. No idea how big it is or how crazy it will be on launch day. I think on one side (the side with the pier, opposite the large condominium building) they have a jumbo-tron and mission audio going as well. My brothers are usually pretty punchy and rowdy, but even after all day in the car and waiting 4 hours, the thrill and suspense of what they were about to see, and just the interesting opportunity to look around the crowd, perhaps meeting another kid and forming a 4-hour friendship, was more than enough to keep their behavior stellar, much to my surprise. They loved it and really acted like angels that day. And of course, as I'm sure you know, you will have a view of the pad and VAB from Space View Park. Just arrive early, with chairs, water, and snacks. There's a Burger King across the street, adjacent to the Apollo (I think) portion of Space View Park. I was watching from atop a giant flower pot in front of the Gemini monument, and I had a spectacular view. Most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life. If you go to Space View Park, I would suggest parking on the grass that's part of what I presume is the condominium property. Don't worry, everyone else will do it, too, and you won't get in trouble. You'll see a grassy area along the road, a fence behind which is a retention pond, and after that are some 10 or 12-story condos. Park there and walk around the condos to get to Space View Park.
That's the best I can give you, and so do the best with that. I hope it helped somewhat! Given your situation, I personally would probably still choose Titusville (either the McDonalds area or Space View Park) over the Hall of Fame. The restrooms at the Hall of Fame are probably more likely to be relatively clean and with slightly less of a wait, although ALL bathrooms will have very high traffic that day. Perhaps the Hall of Fame will have port-a-potties set up outside, I don't know. But the lack of a view of the pad plus the fact you have to pay to view there would be a real deal-killer for me. I would think that the amenities elsewhere would be sufficient for your wife and kids, but take into account that this info is coming from a 22-year-old male that is not married and has no kids (although, like I said, I do have very young brothers and am quite well acquainted with the behaviors of children). I hope I could help you out a bit. Happy viewing!
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Has anyone ever watched the launch from the astronaut hall of fame? I know you can get the same view for free, but I have to consider a pregnant wife that might need use of restrooms more often ,and a 3 year old that might need to be entertained?
I am not sure what all they have to do at the hall of fame as I have never been.
THe place we watched from last year in titusville was great, but it was an empty parking lot, with not bathrooms in site.
I am not sure how much the HOF tickets are.
Thanks for any help
Jason
See if you can find a restaurant on the river. When I watched STS-118, we went to a place called Paul's Smokehouse or Paul's Steakhouse on US1. They charged $10 per car to park there but it was worth it. Were able to use the restaurant's bathrooms and go eat in there. While the two guys in our group sat out in the 95 degree heat looking at the pad through binoculars and waiting for the launch, the girls sat inside in the air conditioning and had some drinks. Kept everyone happy.
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My question is how long is the launch window (days, I know each is a 10 minute window). I thought I read it was something like 6 days before they would have to take her back to the VAB. I still have some time to extend my trip past then if it is longer than that.
Usually it is something like 10 days - each days the launch time moves 25 minutes early:
May 14: 2:19 pm
May 15: 1:54 pm
May 16: 1:29 pm
and so forth
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My question is how long is the launch window (days, I know each is a 10 minute window). I thought I read it was something like 6 days before they would have to take her back to the VAB. I still have some time to extend my trip past then if it is longer than that.
Usually it is something like 10 days - each days the launch time moves 25 minutes early:
May 14: 2:19 pm
May 15: 1:54 pm
May 16: 1:29 pm
and so forth
Ok thanks for the info, I guess if it does not launch within the first 3 days or so we might look into extending our stay. I just hope it launches on the 14th so we can enjoy the area with the rest of our days down there.
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STS-134 has been moved to November.
It was the LON for STS-132.
I read somewhere the last days, that a delay of STS-134
would delay STS-132.
Any suggestions?
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STS-134 has been moved to November.
It was the LON for STS-132.
I read somewhere the last days, that a delay of STS-134
would delay STS-132.
Any suggestions?
this was posted in their facebook page yesterday:
"Space Shuttle Managers have decided that STS-132 can continue to track for May 14, with STS-133 following in September, while STS-134 moves to mid-November."
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Thanks DirtyDeeds for all the great info!!
We actually watched Atlantis last may too. Really close to the spot you just described (empty lot). I think we paid 5 or 10 bucks to park. It was about a little under 2 miles north of the mcdonalds. My son was 2 then and was really good. I imagine he will behave this time too, but was wanting to keep his interest just in case.
We got there a little later then I wanted last year and that mcdonalds was a mad house!! We stopped to get something to eat, and use the bathrooms!! But man it was packed!!!!!! It was my 1st launch and I wasnt aware of the number of people that were going to be there.
I will try that space view park possibly or the smokehouse place Andrewwski mentioned (thanks for that Andrewwski !!)
Thanks for all the info guys. My ultimate goal was just to be on site at kennedy (causeway or visitor center) but the view from titusville isnt bad either.
Jason
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How many people on average turn up for a launch to Titusville and surrounding areas?
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STS-134 has been moved to November.
It was the LON for STS-132.
I read somewhere the last days, that a delay of STS-134
would delay STS-132.
Any suggestions?
this was posted in their facebook page yesterday:
"Space Shuttle Managers have decided that STS-132 can continue to track for May 14, with STS-133 following in September, while STS-134 moves to mid-November."
Thank you for the fast information. That keeps me alive :)
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STS-134 has been moved to November.
It was the LON for STS-132.
I read somewhere the last days, that a delay of STS-134
would delay STS-132.
Any suggestions?
this was posted in their facebook page yesterday:
"Space Shuttle Managers have decided that STS-132 can continue to track for May 14, with STS-133 following in September, while STS-134 moves to mid-November."
Unbelievable.
This site broke the news yesterday? Ever heard of the site? It's called NASASpaceflight.com ;D
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2010/04/shuttle-schedule-extended-sts-134-slip-to-november/
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How many people on average turn up for a launch to Titusville and surrounding areas?
I would estimate that there were over 8,000 people in Titusville for STS-131. We saw people camped out along US-1 early in the morning the day before launch, and by launch time, there were people lining every open spot along the Indian River, every road median, and every curb across the way from the river. It was quite the madhouse.
There were lots of places charging to park, but you can find public parking along the streets if you don't mind parking a few blocks inland and hiking over to the river. I think we parked about 4-5 blocks away and then walked. Be careful that you don't park where it's marked "No Parking", and try to respect the residents in the area. Although I'm sure they're used to the crowds after 30 years, I saw plenty of people who were parking in front of residents' driveways, which just isn't right.
I will share a bit of a secret that I discovered when I went to the launch. Since the wife and I had just gotten back from our cruise on April 4th, we were pretty tired and not in the mood to camp out in Titusville for a "good spot" overnight (frankly people, a 184-foot tall space shuttle looks pretty much the same from along the river as it does 100-feet away across the street!). I had read in the STS-131 viewing/going-to-the-launch thread that Port St. John, which is south of Titusville, also affords a nice view of launches (especially those at night), so I devised a strategy to head for Port St. John, and then work my way up US-1 to see how close I could get before getting stuck in traffic. I figured if traffic slowed down, we'd just pull over and watch from where we were.
Sure enough, when we got to the junction of the 528 and the 407, I saw that the traffic heading directly for Titusville was at a dead stop. So I went to the right in the fork of the road, and then exited the 528 at US-1 in Port St. John. Amazingly, there were NO cars on this stretch of US-1, so we just cruised north along the Indian River until we hit Titusville. There, we parked the car a few blocks east of the river and then walked right up to a spot on the river-side of US-1.
So if you're planning on going to Titusville for the launch, I would suggest you bypass route 407 and I-95, and just head up US-1 from Port St. John. You might save yourself a lot of headache and sitting in traffic by doing that.
--Craig
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I would estimate that there were over 8,000 people in Titusville for STS-131.
While I was not there for STS-131, I've been to two other launches, and I have got to believe you're off by an order of magnitude. 8,000 people is a good day at a minor league baseball game. The amount of traffic and amount of people I've seen at launches far surpasses any sporting event I've ever seen, and any concert, and any... anything. Driving back from Titusville for STS-125 to Winter Park, I never had the opportunity to shift my car out of first gear, and it took four hours to get back. 8,000 seems like way too tiny of a number to be correct.
What is really amazing, and encouraging, to me is the number of people that will gather along any beach or overlook along the East Coast to watch a night time shuttle launch. Here in North Carolina, at a local dark beach, several dozen people, totally unorganized from one another, will always gather to watch the Shuttle launches (which, depending on weather and lighting conditions, can be quite spectacular!). Everyone gathers around the one or two guys that have either a satellite radio feed of mission control, or the mission control call-in on their cell phone, or whatever, or people will just shout out the milestones of each countdown/flight as they occur. It's really neat. Definitely the second best thing to actually being there (the third best is spacevidcast and nasaspaceflight up on your computer simultaneously).
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My question is how long is the launch window (days, I know each is a 10 minute window). I thought I read it was something like 6 days before they would have to take her back to the VAB. I still have some time to extend my trip past then if it is longer than that.
Usually it is something like 10 days - each days the launch time moves 25 minutes early:
May 14: 2:19 pm
May 15: 1:54 pm
May 16: 1:29 pm
and so forth
Ok thanks for the info, I guess if it does not launch within the first 3 days or so we might look into extending our stay. I just hope it launches on the 14th so we can enjoy the area with the rest of our days down there.
Guys.... remember that this is a news site.
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2010/04/sts-132-reviews-readiness-and-potential-timelines-atlantis-mission/
That article (which has been up since Sunday night) contains all the launch window information and launch times.
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Hi everyone,
I'm a newbie and very glad to have found a group of people who are so enthusiastic about space flights. Our friends and family think we are nuts to go all the way across the country JUST to see a shuttle launch (what? You are not going to Disney?). This will be our first time watching a shuttle launch in person, previous ones were from NASAtv website.
I tried to buy LTT yesterday but could only get VC tickets. Do you think it's better to watch from a spot along US-1 and be able to see the pad than the VC? We are planning to visit KSC anyway, so the VC tickets would still get used. How early do you need to stake out a place along US-1 and what would be a good spot to be when we have 2 young 'uns (4 and 7), one of whom is a die-hard space fan? At the Space View park or somewhere along the highway?
I'm a bit anxious about the uncertainty of the launch schedule. Which website should I tune in to get the latest update on the launch schedule? Also, in the event of a last minute scrub, would VC ticket holders be able to buy LTT at the ticket window? Does it turn into a mad dash of first-come-first-served to the ticket window or is there a specific time that they announce?
I appreciate all the advice and tips shared!
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Chris, now we're at 30 pages! Apparently there were over 32,000 people onsite for STS-131 and PAO projections were to double that number for the last few flights. I have lived in Cape Canaveral for 3 yrs and I have NEVER seen traffic as bad as it was April 5th weekend. I now buy groceries around launch time like there is a hurricane coming.
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Hi everyone,
I'm a newbie and very glad to have found a group of people who are so enthusiastic about space flights. Our friends and family think we are nuts to go all the way across the country JUST to see a shuttle launch (what? You are not going to Disney?). This will be our first time watching a shuttle launch in person, previous ones were from NASAtv website.
I tried to buy LTT yesterday but could only get VC tickets. Do you think it's better to watch from a spot along US-1 and be able to see the pad than the VC? We are planning to visit KSC anyway, so the VC tickets would still get used. How early do you need to stake out a place along US-1 and what would be a good spot to be when we have 2 young 'uns (4 and 7), one of whom is a die-hard space fan? At the Space View park or somewhere along the highway?
With the kids, they may enjoy being at the VC more during the countdown. I'd probably go to Titusville for a nicer view though, and if you go to the VC on a "regular" day you can go on the tours and such.
I'd get to Titusville at least three hours before launch. I got there about three hours for STS-118 and things were filling up pretty rapidly by that time. The earlier you get there, the easier it will be to park and find a spot - definitely would not recommend less than three hours.
I'm a bit anxious about the uncertainty of the launch schedule. Which website should I tune in to get the latest update on the launch schedule? Also, in the event of a last minute scrub, would VC ticket holders be able to buy LTT at the ticket window? Does it turn into a mad dash of first-come-first-served to the ticket window or is there a specific time that they announce?
I appreciate all the advice and tips shared!
This website. You'll find the news breaks here well before anywhere else.
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Yep, I'll be checking here every day until the launch. I have a flight in LATE on thursday (staying near Orlando Airport), then friday and saturday night in Melbourne. That's the closest hotel I could find that didn't completely suck. I guess that's what I get for going "last minute."
However....I'm keeping an eye on this site, if something should change, or the launch slips...I think I can jump into a closer hotel and better flights If I am quick enough. Keeping my fingers crossed...everything is still refundable/changeable.
My plan to go fishing on Saturday if everything goes okay on Friday...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let the weather cooperate. Anyone know the stats on past May Launches?
TJ
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Suppose if the launch will be delayed till May 19.
I have a return airplane ticket for May 19 at 1:53pm
The launch time for May 19 is 12:17pm EDT.
I have 1 hour and 30 minutes to get to the plane.
I know that it will be a heavy traffic that day everywhere but suppose if I park at the intersection of 528 and 407 to see the launch. It is 20 miles from launch pads but 30 miles from Orlando Airport. On a normal day the drive to the airport is less than 30 minutes from this point.
Will I be able to get to the airport in 30 minutes?
I should be way ahead of the traffic with Titusville and Port St. John behind me?
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Way too many what ifs and variables. And even if someone could say yes to what you want to do, it only takes one traffic accident to mess it all up. Unless you have plans for a missed flight I wouldn't chance it
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Suppose if the launch will be delayed till May 19.
I have a return airplane ticket for May 19 at 1:53pm
The launch time for May 19 is 12:17pm EDT.
I have 1 hour and 30 minutes to get to the plane.
I know that it will be a heavy traffic that day everywhere but suppose if I park at the intersection of 528 and 407 to see the launch. It is 20 miles from launch pads but 30 miles from Orlando Airport. On a normal day the drive to the airport is less than 30 minutes from this point.
Will I be able to get to the airport in 30 minutes?
I should be way ahead of the traffic with Titusville and Port St. John behind me?
Oh, that's cute. Yeah... unless you really are ok with missing your plane, being anywhere near the Cape will prove a nightmare in terms of traffic.
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Thank you for replies!
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As an example of the traffic in Titusvile: for STS131 when I checked out of the Clarion at 9:30am (3 hours after launch), it took me over 45 mins to go the <2 miles to the I95 entrance. Traffic out of town was still moving very slow, and I was avoiding the path out KSCVC!
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In that case I would watch from the Orlando International Airport. :(
50 miles distance is not very good.
Is there windows in the airport on the upper floors facing east?
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Not at all possible to do that.
You really need to be at the airport an hour and a half before hand. If you're in Titusville, with traffic it's almost guaranteed your plane would already be in the air by the time you get there. And that's not counting time to check in, go through security, board, etc.
I've heard reports that say 528 turns into a essentially a parking lot before a launch.
While 50 miles isn't ideal you'd still be able to watch it quite well. I have family that routinely watches from 65 miles south (opposite the direction that the vehicle travels) and they are impressed every time.
Hopefully you don't have to worry about that though...here's to a successful launch on the 14th!
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Anyone have an extra Kennedy Space Center placard? I need one for a friend who will be driving in by himself. Please I am willing to buy it off you for a reasonable price. Thank you
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In that case I would watch from the Orlando International Airport. :(
50 miles distance is not very good.
Is there windows in the airport on the upper floors facing east?
Top floor of the parking garage
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Hopefully you don't have to worry about that though...here's to a successful launch on the 14th!
Here! Here! :)
Thank you guys, for replies!
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Hopefully you don't have to worry about that though...here's to a successful launch on the 14th!
Here! Here! :)
Thank you guys, for replies!
Yes, indeed!
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In that case I would watch from the Orlando International Airport. :(
50 miles distance is not very good.
Is there windows in the airport on the upper floors facing east?
Top floor of the parking garage
There is the terminal building roof where the helipad is, much higher than the parking garage. I have been up there to watch friends land but they may have the elevator manned to discourage large crowds.
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Thanks for the info!
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Causeway tickets on ebay are going down in price nicely. FYI if you are on Dolphin, you can cancel 7 days or more before launch for a 100% refund, so if you have Dolphin tix LTT tickets but would rather have straight up LTTs, check out ebay every day or so.
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Causeway tickets on ebay are going down in price nicely. FYI if you are on Dolphin, you can cancel 7 days or more before launch for a 100% refund, so if you have Dolphin tix LTT tickets but would rather have straight up LTTs, check out ebay every day or so.
Hey Furner-I didn't know that about Dolphin.that's great intel. Thanks!
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Causeway tickets on ebay are going down in price nicely. FYI if you are on Dolphin, you can cancel 7 days or more before launch for a 100% refund, so if you have Dolphin tix LTT tickets but would rather have straight up LTTs, check out ebay every day or so.
Hey Furner-I didn't know that about Dolphin.that's great intel. Thanks!
Their website is pretty vague and you really would not know about the cancellation policy unless you read the fine print in the papers you get after booking. Also, a schedule change more than 72 hours before launch entitles you to either a schedule change OR a refund.
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As an example of the traffic in Titusvile: for STS131 when I checked out of the Clarion at 9:30am (3 hours after launch), it took me over 45 mins to go the <2 miles to the I95 entrance. Traffic out of town was still moving very slow, and I was avoiding the path out KSCVC!
Weekend launches are even worse. STS-124 launched at 5 p.m right? I didn't even get out of Titusville until 11 p.m!!
Advice for those trying to get to a launch: Book a hotel to stay the night, enjoy the beach so even if the launch scrubs you have at least a small benefit.
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So Furner.you are definitely going to see Beautiful Atlantis launch? I know you were fightin' for those tickets. I hope you are going.
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I'd also like to know what is the best hotel you can get that has a great view of the shuttles on the pad for a liftoff and how to book in advance.
Orbiter
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Clarion in Titusville - watch from balcony or parking lot directly on the river. However, to get their non-launch rates, you have to watch for schedule changes (here at NSF is great!) then jump online within a few hours to get their normal rate of $80-90/night, verses their launch rates of $189/night with two night minimum :P
I've stayed there (at the lower rate) for the most recent 3 missions. Plus they have NTV (of course) and free WiFi for NSF access!
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As an example of the traffic in Titusvile: for STS131 when I checked out of the Clarion at 9:30am (3 hours after launch), it took me over 45 mins to go the <2 miles to the I95 entrance. Traffic out of town was still moving very slow, and I was avoiding the path out KSCVC!
Weekend launches are even worse. STS-124 launched at 5 p.m right? I didn't even get out of Titusville until 11 p.m!!
Oh, my goodness!!! :o
I booked a Day's Inn in Daytona Beach (which is 55 miles from Visitor Complex) since there were nothing good left in Cocoa Beach. And since I booked with Dolphin Tours I will have to drive from Cocoa Beach (the closest Dolphin Tours pick up location).
When am I going to get back to my hotel?
What time in the morning should I start driving to Dolphin Tours Cocoa Beach pickup location?
Can I just get my tickets from Dolphin tours and drive to Visitor Complex by myself?
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I just spoke with Florida Dolphin tours. I asked if it would be possible to get my tickets from them and drive to Visitor Complex by myself. They answered that it is not possible - I have to go with the bus. :(
I asked to make sure that in case of a last minutes scrub to get LTT tickets for the next attempt. She said that I have to talk to the bus driver about this but she said that it is not always possible to get LTT tickets for the next attempt because the tickets are not always offered by NASA. ??? :(
Does anyone know in what cases NASA will not offer LTT tickets for the next attempt?
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In the official Kennedy Space Center LTT ticket rules :
http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/LTT.aspx
they do not even mention an opportunity to buy an LTT ticket for a next attempt but plainly say that "you will no longer be able to access the NASA Causeway, you will be invited to return for the next launch attempt with your Visitor Complex admission ticket. Return viewing will be from the main Visitor Complex grounds." :(
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I have heard from a few people that have attended launches that you can get in line and purchase a new LTT if the launch is scrubbed after they have boarded a bus. I am not sure on the Florida Dolphin Tours procedure but I will be asking when I board the bus on the 14th. What I don't know is that if people who already had LTT were given first crack at the next launch LTT or if those at the VC also have a shot at them.
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I always thought that the tour groups have worked out with Kennedy to take their bus to the causeway. So individual people on the tour don't have an LTT, the bus itself is cleared to go to the causeway.
If the launch is scrubbed, the tour company still has to pay for the bus and driver..which is why they don't offer an alternative. If you get back to the VC and buy an LTT for the next attempt, you won't have a parking placard, so there will be no way for you to get back to the VC.
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I have heard from a few people that have attended launches that you can get in line and purchase a new LTT if the launch is scrubbed after they have boarded a bus. I am not sure on the Florida Dolphin Tours procedure but I will be asking when I board the bus on the 14th. What I don't know is that if people who already had LTT were given first crack at the next launch LTT or if those at the VC also have a shot at them.
People posted in this thread that people at VC can also buy LTT tickets for the next launch attempt and they have even better chances because KSC starts to sell ticket almost right away.
About Florida Dolphin Tours procedure I think that it works in the following way: In some very special rare circumstances (I do not know which ones) KSC will not offer LTT tickets for the next launch attempt to anyone. Otherwise everyone (including those who are with bus tours) on KSC grounds gets a chance to buy an LTT ticket for for the next launch attempt. From what I spoke with Florida Dolphin Tour - they will provide the transportation for the next attempt to VC and if KSC will offer LTT tickets, to NASA Causeway.
So I think that we are in equal conditions here with whose who got direct LTT tickets. :)
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I have heard from a few people that have attended launches that you can get in line and purchase a new LTT if the launch is scrubbed after they have boarded a bus. I am not sure on the Florida Dolphin Tours procedure but I will be asking when I board the bus on the 14th. What I don't know is that if people who already had LTT were given first crack at the next launch LTT or if those at the VC also have a shot at them.
People posted in this thread that people at VC can also buy LTT tickets for the next launch attempt and they have even better chances because KSC starts to sell ticket almost right away.
About Florida Dolphin Tours procedure I think that it works in the following way: In some very special rare circumstances (I do not know which ones) KSC will not offer LTT tickets for the next launch attempt to anyone. Otherwise everyone (including those who are with bus tours) on KSC grounds gets a chance to buy an LTT ticket for for the next launch attempt. From what I spoke with Florida Dolphin Tour - they will provide the transportation for the next attempt to VC and if KSC will offer LTT tickets, to NASA Causeway.
So I think that we are in equal conditions here with whose who got direct LTT tickets. :)
So it sounds like that if they scrub the first attempt Dolphin Tours will get to come back to the causeway and we pay Dolphin Tours the $25 bucks to return to the causeway and we personally will not have to get in line for the tickets.
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I have heard from a few people that have attended launches that you can get in line and purchase a new LTT if the launch is scrubbed after they have boarded a bus. I am not sure on the Florida Dolphin Tours procedure but I will be asking when I board the bus on the 14th. What I don't know is that if people who already had LTT were given first crack at the next launch LTT or if those at the VC also have a shot at them.
People posted in this thread that people at VC can also buy LTT tickets for the next launch attempt and they have even better chances because KSC starts to sell ticket almost right away.
About Florida Dolphin Tours procedure I think that it works in the following way: In some very special rare circumstances (I do not know which ones) KSC will not offer LTT tickets for the next launch attempt to anyone. Otherwise everyone (including those who are with bus tours) on KSC grounds gets a chance to buy an LTT ticket for for the next launch attempt. From what I spoke with Florida Dolphin Tour - they will provide the transportation for the next attempt to VC and if KSC will offer LTT tickets, to NASA Causeway.
So I think that we are in equal conditions here with whose who got direct LTT tickets. :)
I have to admit, that I've never attended a launch but if I'm thinking about the process this is what's going on in my mind:
Best chances of getting new LTTs in case of a scrub is for those
who are at VC at time of announcement of the scrub.
If you didn't enter the bus to the causeway, you didn't loose your LTT and as far as I understood my travel agency (Gator) my LTT isn't lost.
But everybody will try to get new LTTs - even if his own one is still valid - to be on the safe side for former launch attempts (or even only to make money with reselling). So it's the question if there are any LTTs left to buy, if you've been on the bus - or right there at the causeway.
(or do they sell new LTTs at the causeway?)
For the people travelling with a tour bus there will be an additional problem. Will they return to VC after the scrub from the causeway or not? (my little help for this problem might be an additional VC-Ticket with PP I own - but as quoted in other comments this will not work).
So my strategy will be:
Using the LTT from gator on the first attempt and praying.
If I left VC to go to causeway and scrub will be announced:
hoping for new LTTs from Gator.
If this doesn't work;
Use the VC-Ticket for the next attempt (with a bit of hoping for scrub).
In the case of scrub: Running to the ticket booth as fast as I can
buying 1, 2, 3... LTTs to be on the safe side for all later attempts.
That's all I can do.
Do you think this a good strategy?
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Well from what I understand of the tour process is that the bus gets the placard to enter the center, you have a ticket personally to enter the vistor center and see the sights and then get back on your tour bus which has a different colored LTT and you go out to the causeway. At least with the tour I am on they do NOT return to the center after the launch or a scrub, but I was under the impression that you could pay a fee and get sent back for the next launch at the causeway. I don't know how you would be able to obtain a normal LTT and get on property with a personal car since you won't have a placard in your posession to get onto property.
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So Furner.you are definitely going to see Beautiful Atlantis launch? I know you were fightin' for those tickets. I hope you are going.
Going with Dolphin tickets unless the ebay tickets all of a sudden drop to reasonable prices. Staying at the Clarion, have reservations 13-17 and an additional reservation 17-19.
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I have heard from a few people that have attended launches that you can get in line and purchase a new LTT if the launch is scrubbed after they have boarded a bus. I am not sure on the Florida Dolphin Tours procedure but I will be asking when I board the bus on the 14th. What I don't know is that if people who already had LTT were given first crack at the next launch LTT or if those at the VC also have a shot at them.
People posted in this thread that people at VC can also buy LTT tickets for the next launch attempt and they have even better chances because KSC starts to sell ticket almost right away.
About Florida Dolphin Tours procedure I think that it works in the following way: In some very special rare circumstances (I do not know which ones) KSC will not offer LTT tickets for the next launch attempt to anyone. Otherwise everyone (including those who are with bus tours) on KSC grounds gets a chance to buy an LTT ticket for for the next launch attempt. From what I spoke with Florida Dolphin Tour - they will provide the transportation for the next attempt to VC and if KSC will offer LTT tickets, to NASA Causeway.
So I think that we are in equal conditions here with whose who got direct LTT tickets. :)
I have to admit, that I've never attended a launch but if I'm thinking about the process this is what's going on in my mind:
Best chances of getting new LTTs in case of a scrub is for those
who are at VC at time of announcement of the scrub.
If you didn't enter the bus to the causeway, you didn't loose your LTT and as far as I understood my travel agency (Gator) my LTT isn't lost.
But everybody will try to get new LTTs - even if his own one is still valid - to be on the safe side for former launch attempts (or even only to make money with reselling). So it's the question if there are any LTTs left to buy, if you've been on the bus - or right there at the causeway.
(or do they sell new LTTs at the causeway?)
For the people travelling with a tour bus there will be an additional problem. Will they return to VC after the scrub from the causeway or not? (my little help for this problem might be an additional VC-Ticket with PP I own - but as quoted in other comments this will not work).
So my strategy will be:
Using the LTT from gator on the first attempt and praying.
If I left VC to go to causeway and scrub will be announced:
hoping for new LTTs from Gator.
If this doesn't work;
Use the VC-Ticket for the next attempt (with a bit of hoping for scrub).
In the case of scrub: Running to the ticket booth as fast as I can
buying 1, 2, 3... LTTs to be on the safe side for all later attempts.
That's all I can do.
Do you think this a good strategy?
1. LTT Tickets are sold at VC.
2. My impression is if there is a last minutes scrub and KSC decides to sell LTT tickets to the next attempt everyone on the NASA grounds at that day should be able to get them (since some of the people are not willing to come for the next attempt).
3. Since you have a VC Ticket for the launch day (with vehicle placard) you may ask the bus driver to stop by the visitor center and buy a direct LTT ticket for the next attempt by yourself and then come by the car.
4. My impression is it does not make sense for the tour buses to leave NASA grounds for the next 3 hours after the launch since there will be a heavy traffic around space coast.
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Finally crossing one off of my "bucket list". Im coming down from Ohio from the 13th thru the 20th and staying at the Royal Mansions Resort in Cape Canaveral. Has anyone stayed there?
Good look to all those coming down for a historic launch, and safe travels.
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2. My impression is if there is a last minutes scrub and KSC decides to sell LTT tickets to the next attempt everyone on the NASA grounds at that day should be able to get them (since some of the people are not willing to come for the next attempt).
To get those LTT tickets you MUST have a little slip of paper that nice KSCVC employees hand you as you board your bus out to the causeway that read "In the event of a scrub, this piece of paper is redeemable for a LTT ticket at the cost of xx.xx" (last time I used this it was $21.95... prices may have gone up...)
Just an FYI... so for those fearing a scrub, make sure you get that piece of paper... and I believe they hand them to you tour bus folks as well (at least they did for me for STS 125 and 128)
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So Furner.you are definitely going to see Beautiful Atlantis launch? I know you were fightin' for those tickets. I hope you are going.
Going with Dolphin tickets unless the ebay tickets all of a sudden drop to reasonable prices. Staying at the Clarion, have reservations 13-17 and an additional reservation 17-19.
So you know what the Clarion's cancelation policy is like? I'm thinking of booking a king room on the water for two weeks in the middle of November for 134 while its cheap, then canceling all but what I need as the launch date is finalized.
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2. My impression is if there is a last minutes scrub and KSC decides to sell LTT tickets to the next attempt everyone on the NASA grounds at that day should be able to get them (since some of the people are not willing to come for the next attempt).
To get those LTT tickets you MUST have a little slip of paper that nice KSCVC employees hand you as you board your bus out to the causeway that read "In the event of a scrub, this piece of paper is redeemable for a LTT ticket at the cost of xx.xx" (last time I used this it was $21.95... prices may have gone up...)
Just an FYI... so for those fearing a scrub, make sure you get that piece of paper... and I believe they hand them to you tour bus folks as well (at least they did for me for STS 125 and 128)
Thank you for the info! :)
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To get those LTT tickets you MUST have a little slip of paper that nice KSCVC employees hand you as you board your bus out to the causeway that read "In the event of a scrub, this piece of paper is redeemable for a LTT ticket at the cost of xx.xx" (last time I used this it was $21.95... prices may have gone up...)
Just an FYI... so for those fearing a scrub, make sure you get that piece of paper... and I believe they hand them to you tour bus folks as well (at least they did for me for STS 125 and 128)
While I would certainly prefer having the voucher to not (for peace of mind), I've never had to provide a voucher when buying post-scrub replacement LTTs. On one occasion, I bought a set of 3 LTTs with zero vouchers, and on another I bought 5 LTTs with 4 vouchers. Of course, rules seem to change constantly out there, so your mileage may vary ;). I could also see the rising demand playing a part here.
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To get those LTT tickets you MUST have a little slip of paper that nice KSCVC employees hand you as you board your bus out to the causeway that read "In the event of a scrub, this piece of paper is redeemable for a LTT ticket at the cost of xx.xx" (last time I used this it was $21.95... prices may have gone up...)
Just an FYI... so for those fearing a scrub, make sure you get that piece of paper... and I believe they hand them to you tour bus folks as well (at least they did for me for STS 125 and 128)
While I would certainly prefer having the voucher to not (for peace of mind), I've never had to provide a voucher when buying post-scrub replacement LTTs. On one occasion, I bought a set of 3 LTTs with zero vouchers, and on another I bought 5 LTTs with 4 vouchers. Of course, rules seem to change constantly out there, so your mileage may vary ;). I could also see the rising demand playing a part here.
You are correct; for STS 125 they were rather relaxed about the vouchers (though this didnt scrub, but woman was like "eh if you loose it, shouldn't be a problem") For STS 128 on the other hand... yeah, not so much, since apparently they had issues with people who only have VC tickets trying to obtain LTT tickets. I guess it is their way of weeding out who has the LTT tickets and who just has VC tickets.
But don't fret, those of you worrying about a scrub just need to relax... there's still plenty of time before you all board your bus; worry about it then and ask questions. LOL
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So Furner.you are definitely going to see Beautiful Atlantis launch? I know you were fightin' for those tickets. I hope you are going.
Going with Dolphin tickets unless the ebay tickets all of a sudden drop to reasonable prices. Staying at the Clarion, have reservations 13-17 and an additional reservation 17-19.
So you know what the Clarion's cancelation policy is like? I'm thinking of booking a king room on the water for two weeks in the middle of November for 134 while its cheap, then canceling all but what I need as the launch date is finalized.
You can usually modify/cancel something like 2 days before the reservation starts. During the reservation process it tells you the day that you need to cancel by.
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So Furner.you are definitely going to see Beautiful Atlantis launch? I know you were fightin' for those tickets. I hope you are going.
Going with Dolphin tickets unless the ebay tickets all of a sudden drop to reasonable prices. Staying at the Clarion, have reservations 13-17 and an additional reservation 17-19.
So you know what the Clarion's cancelation policy is like? I'm thinking of booking a king room on the water for two weeks in the middle of November for 134 while its cheap, then canceling all but what I need as the launch date is finalized.
That is just brilliant planning. Wonder how much of a break you could get for the room-except for Launch dates of course.
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So Furner.you are definitely going to see Beautiful Atlantis launch? I know you were fightin' for those tickets. I hope you are going.
Going with Dolphin tickets unless the ebay tickets all of a sudden drop to reasonable prices. Staying at the Clarion, have reservations 13-17 and an additional reservation 17-19.
So you know what the Clarion's cancelation policy is like? I'm thinking of booking a king room on the water for two weeks in the middle of November for 134 while its cheap, then canceling all but what I need as the launch date is finalized.
That is just brilliant planning. Wonder how much of a break you could get for the room-except for Launch dates of course.
Normal rate is $79USD per night. May 13, 14, 15 it is $189 per night (plus taxes). Might be up for May 11 and 12 as well. Goes back down to $79 per night on May 16.
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Does anyone know if I could use my VC ticket to visit KSC before the launch to take the tour? I was hoping to see the shuttle on the pad before the launch.
From the discussion above, it seems that, in the event of a last minute scrub and a sale of new LTTs, VC ticket holders will not have a chance to buy LTTs. Is this correct?
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To get those LTT tickets you MUST have a little slip of paper that nice KSCVC employees hand you as you board your bus out to the causeway that read "In the event of a scrub, this piece of paper is redeemable for a LTT ticket at the cost of xx.xx" (last time I used this it was $21.95... prices may have gone up...)
Just an FYI... so for those fearing a scrub, make sure you get that piece of paper... and I believe they hand them to you tour bus folks as well (at least they did for me for STS 125 and 128)
While I would certainly prefer having the voucher to not (for peace of mind), I've never had to provide a voucher when buying post-scrub replacement LTTs. On one occasion, I bought a set of 3 LTTs with zero vouchers, and on another I bought 5 LTTs with 4 vouchers. Of course, rules seem to change constantly out there, so your mileage may vary ;). I could also see the rising demand playing a part here.
i'm curious -- how long ago were those launches? i see from ysuindy's post in the STS-128 viewing thread that they were enforcing the one-ticket-per-voucher policy at the box office as far back as STS-127's many, many scrubs, and only selling the leftovers to the public the next morning.
and in comparison, STS-128 had already had so many delays by its weather scrub on monday the 24th the KSCVC web site was advertising LTTs for walk-up sales at the box office on tuesday the 25th.
but i seem to recall that after STS-130's scrub, the KSCVC box office was only selling VC viewing tickets the next day. a friend of mine with LTTs missed the replacement LTT sale at the box office after the buses returned that night and wasn't able to get any closer than the VC for the launch the following evening.
given that there's only been one scrub since august (happy sigh 8) ) and only three scheduled launches left (frowny sigh :( ) and the only scrub this year didn't seem to have extra LTTs for sale at all afterwards, i'd expect these last launches to be extremely low on attrition (especially buttressed up against the start of weekends) and high on policy enforcement -- voucher-only replacement LTT sales the same day of a scrub and few if any extra LTTs available to the public thereafter.
[even with the KSCVC box office meltdown last week, i was AMAZED that gator tours sold out so quickly -- which may be the greatest indication that all of this prognostication may be way off of the mark for these last launches. gator seemed to have tickets for sale for STS-131 as late as the last week of march. even assuming that one sold-out launch should only be about as crowded as another sold-out launch, we may be looking at unprecedented everything as pertains to lines, crowds, traffic, etc.]
and talking a tour bus driver into stopping by the KSCVC box office to buy LTTs on the way home seems extremely unlikely -- speaking from my experience on gator at STS-128's weather scrub and on a congressional bus at STS-130's weather scrub, non-KSCVC buses don't return to the KSCVC after leaving the causeway -- they head straight back to the pick-up/drop-off points. it's always seemed to me that they only sell replacement LTTs to those with vouchers after a scrub, and probably don't even have an estimate as to how many, if any, "extra" LTTs they might have to work with until those sales are complete.
[also, protip, gang: LTT stands for "launch transportation ticket". calling it an "LTT ticket" is like calling that thing stuck in the wall at the bank where the $20s come out an "ATM machine".] ::)
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and talking a tour bus driver into stopping by the KSCVC box office to buy LTTs on the way home seems extremely unlikely -- speaking from my experience on gator at STS-128's weather scrub and on a congressional bus at STS-130's weather scrub, non-KSCVC buses don't return to the KSCVC after leaving the causeway -- they head straight back to the pick-up/drop-off points. it's always seemed to me that they only sell replacement LTTs to those with vouchers after a scrub, and probably don't even have an estimate as to how many, if any, "extra" LTTs they might have to work with until those sales are complete.
[also, protip, gang: LTT stands for "launch transportation ticket". calling it an "LTT ticket" is like calling that thing stuck in the wall at the bank where the $20s come out an "ATM machine".] ::)
Spacedog is correct, from experience, for STS 125 (also an afternoon launch) Gator Tour busses DID NOT go to the KSCVC after the launch, we went directly back to our pick up locations.
As for that last comment... that's just begging us to continue calling it a LTT ticket ;) FYI.
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Well, the only thing I can do now is pray that there will be no scrub. :)
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Well, the only thing I can do now is pray that there will be no scrub. :)
I'm praying too!
BTW, to all: here's a link to a food thread that was started last year and has some good information on best spots to eat. Figured it deserved mentioning.
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=18970.0
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Does anyone know if I could use my VC ticket to visit KSC before the launch to take the tour? I was hoping to see the shuttle on the pad before the launch.
No one know the answer to this one?
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Does anyone know if I could use my VC ticket to visit KSC before the launch to take the tour? I was hoping to see the shuttle on the pad before the launch.
No one know the answer to this one?
Yes, you can. You get two days admission to the VC, obviously one intended for launch day, but you can use the other before or after the launch. I vaguely remember that you have to make both visits within 7 days.
A while back you asked what happens about the sale of LTT tickets if there's a launch scrub. On both the launches I've attended, existing holders of LTTs were given a little slip which gave them priority in purchasing tickets for the rearranged launch. The first time (STS-116), they were handed out as we left the bus having returned from the Causeway. The second time (STS-129), we were given the slips before we arrived at the Causeway.
I had to repurchase an LTT the first time and it was all very relaxed and there were plenty left over for "new purchasers". But it was 4 years ago and the middle of the night.
How its working now that there are so few launches left I wouldn't know.
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Does anyone know, in the event of a scrub and they hand out vouchers, will they only sell one replacement LTT per person, or if I have two vouchers, one for me and one for my wife, will they sell me two LTTs if my wife is not in line with me?
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Do the vouchers have a # on them so for instance since I am on Dolphin Tours, and I highly doubt they would stop at the center in the event of a scrub, could I call the KSC number and buy LTT and pick them up at will call the next day?
Also I was thinking that maybe after the busses drop us off back at LBV at our hotel, we could drive back to KSC before it closes and pick up LTT to come back the next launch via car. (tour people do get vechicle cards for entry by car don't they?) Of course that raises questions about how long they have tickets, for instance do they hold LTT for the priority folks until the following day and then release to the public? If not the chances I get my two tickets before anyone else in line since I would be going to LBV and then back, at least 1 hour journey in normal traffic, seems quite small.
Best case scenario for all, this thing either launches on the 14th or it gets scrubbed before we all board a bus.
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Gator tours :
The KSC admission badge is a 2-day ticket and can be used on the consecutive day (transportation fees would apply) to see further aspects of the space center - IMAX movies and bus tours may not be available on launch day - therefore we would recommend you plan using the 2nd day of access of your ticket if you are unable to see them launch day.
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Do the vouchers have a # on them so for instance since I am on Dolphin Tours, and I highly doubt they would stop at the center in the event of a scrub, could I call the KSC number and buy LTT and pick them up at will call the next day?
Also I was thinking that maybe after the busses drop us off back at LBV at our hotel, we could drive back to KSC before it closes and pick up LTT to come back the next launch via car. (tour people do get vechicle cards for entry by car don't they?) Of course that raises questions about how long they have tickets, for instance do they hold LTT for the priority folks until the following day and then release to the public? If not the chances I get my two tickets before anyone else in line since I would be going to LBV and then back, at least 1 hour journey in normal traffic, seems quite small.
Best case scenario for all, this thing either launches on the 14th or it gets scrubbed before we all board a bus.
Based on their attitude during the initial sale of causeway tickets, all they care about is selling as quick as possible. I doubt they would hold any for you, and I have seen a picture of the voucher and it is just a photocopied slip of paper.
Something you all might want to consider if you are on a tour is to see if you can snag a single VC viewing ticket with vehicle pass. Dont have to use the VC viewing ticket and then you will have a vehicle pass that can be used in the event of a scrub.
This way you will get to ride the bus for the first attempt, and if you can somehow get a replacement LTT you will have a vehicle pass.
Might be worth it to skip the bus ride back to your car (so you can buy a replacement LTT) in the event of a scrub and either call a cab or see if you can hitch a ride with another NSF'er.
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I have thought of walking back to the VC or asking the bus driver to just let me off if they would and having my wife come back and pick me up after she is let off back in Orlando at the hotel if it comes to that. There has got to be a better system than what they use for all of this stuff.
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I have thought of walking back to the VC or asking the bus driver to just let me off if they would and having my wife come back and pick me up after she is let off back in Orlando at the hotel if it comes to that. There has got to be a better system than what they use for all of this stuff.
I dont know how there would be any way for them to "force" you to ride the gator/dolphin buses out, I think you should be able to go with the people who had regular LTTs and get to the VC that way. It would just be up to you to keep from getting stranded at that point.
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That is what I thought as well, and that is probably what I will end up doing if it comes to that. I am not driving all the way from Nebraska to have me and my family see our first launch of any kind, and last shot at a shuttle launch for us to have it scrub and then not see it from the best possible way after we paid for the shot simply because the tour group does not return to give us another shot. I had the chance to get regular VC viewing tickets the day they went on sale and passed, i wanted to pay more to see it from the causeway. My second choice in viewing is from Titusville anyway, not VC.
I wish KSC would sell an advanced LTT that covers all attempts of the STS mission in question. Maybe you pay 100 per person and you get a LTT for every attempt. If it goes up on the first shot you paid much more, if it takes 5 you break even. NASA probably would come out ahead, and they could still sell the normal ones too for people who want to go the way they do currently. Doing that would help accomodate people like me who are coming from a long way to see it, and would really help our international visitors with their viewing.
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another protip: other than a few hours before a launch attempt, the KSCVC parking lot is just a parking lot.
when i found myself without a voucher after surrendering my gator LTT at the weather scrub of STS-128 on monday, august 24th, i just got in my rental car and drove up to KSCVC in the late afternoon of tuesday the 25th, parked, bought a replacement LTT at the door, and asked for one of the extra parking placards off of the stack they had at the box office to walk back out and put onto my dashboard.
along similar lines, returning to the gator bus to go back to orlando a few hours after STS-119's technical scrub, i stopped by the info booth just past the metal detectors and asked for one of the extra parking placards the nice folks there had in big stacks behind the desk.
remember, too, that the parking lot attendants go home right after a launch, but they also go home right after a scrub (the web site says that nobody will be let onto the site until an hour after launch, but the buses seem to take that long just to get off of the causeway).
if the KSCVC is set up the same way for STS-132 as they were for STS-129, which launched at about the same time, the visitor center will be open till around 7 pm that night.
again, your mileage may vary, and they may have escalated security and may no longer have stacks and stacks of extra parking placards for the taking any more, last launches and all. but i've never had a problem just asking for one at the KSCVC.
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Excellent info spacedog, thanks for the tips. Hopefully none of us have to worry!
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i'm curious -- how long ago were those launches? i see from ysuindy's post in the STS-128 viewing thread that they were enforcing the one-ticket-per-voucher policy at the box office as far back as STS-127's many, many scrubs, and only selling the leftovers to the public the next morning.
The one where we drove back in was STS-127. The one where we bought an extra ticket and didn't provide our vouchers was STS-130. I think you're probably right, the demand on these last missions is probably going to change how these things work dramatically. I would take any assumptions that are based on how things worked for people in the past with a grain of salt, and only count on them as a backup.
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I have thought of walking back to the VC or asking the bus driver to just let me off if they would and having my wife come back and pick me up after she is let off back in Orlando at the hotel if it comes to that. There has got to be a better system than what they use for all of this stuff.
I dont know how there would be any way for them to "force" you to ride the gator/dolphin buses out, I think you should be able to go with the people who had regular LTTs and get to the VC that way. It would just be up to you to keep from getting stranded at that point.
this... just... no. abandon this line of thinking. it leads nowhere you want to be.
they used to let the general public drive their vehicles onto the causeway, just like they used to let people play frisbee on certain lawns in washington, dc that now have big fences around them. now they not only don't let you bring laser pointers or nail clippers with knife blades onto the property, they search the buses with guard dogs while you're off riding the shuttle launch experience.
it's not nasa.org, it's nasa.gov. you're not just a guest on private property, you're in a secured government facility. you can no more walk back from the causeway or not go out with the same group you came in with than you can wander around an air force base, and you'd probably meet the same kinds of sanctions if you were to try.
look, i know this whole "you might not get a replacement LTT after a scrub" thing has people spooked. i've been there. scroll back through the other "Viewing" threads for previous launches, you'll see the same questions asked and answered every time.
what you have to remember is that LTTs are completely sold out. this means that every seat on every bus has already been spoken for. (this also means there won't be any empty seats on the buses heading back from the causeway to the KSCVC either.)
all of the kennedyspacecenter.com ticket holders get their tickets sent out in the mail weeks before a launch attempt. likewise, all of the gator and dolphin and florida bus drivers get an envelope full of LTTs and two day visitor center tickets for each of their customers when they picked up their bus that morning.
see, here's a thing that's really not intuitive at all: they don't actually sell launch tickets at the KSCVC the day they go on sale. they might have in the past, but they sure don't any more. if a friend back home hadn't ordered my STS-131 LTT for me through the web site, i wouldn't have gotten one -- and i was actually at the KSCVC on february 11th to see the SDO launch. there were no launch tickets sold on-site that day -- and, yes, it's true, NASA's visitor center has no public wireless internet access. (see "secured government facility".) my only path to a launch ticket on site that day would have been via cell phone.
so if all of the launch tickets were never at the physical KSCVC box office booths to begin with, and they all sell out the day they go on sale, and they're all mailed out ahead of time, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the vouchers exchanged for replacement LTTs on site right after a scrub are simply swapped out for the very same LTTs that were handed over in the first place. there's no reason to print out additional tickets if they're being handed box loads of them that same night.
which means there very probably simply aren't any physical replacement tickets -- not at the causeway, not at the KSCVC -- to sell to someone who didn't get their ticket from kennedyspacecenter.com in the first place. as your original tickets came from the bus companies, it's to the bus companies your replacements would be sent.
[editing to add: the different kinds of bus tickets are also different colors. orange tickets are what get sold through kennedyspacecenter.com; purple tickets are what get handed out through gator; yellow tickets are VIP tickets for banana creek. not sure what brown and green go to (dolphin and florida tours?). so it's much simpler than just "to whom do these LTTs go to?" orange LTTs are collected on site; orange replacement tickets are what's exchanged for the vouchers. if you're a gator customer, your tickets and your replacement tickets are both purple -- a color the KSCVC box office probably doesn't ever traffic in at all.]
will there be the high attrition rates reported in the past, leaving them with plenty of extra tickets to sell the next day? probably not for 132 and 133 and 134. i've heard estimates as high as 25% not showing up for previous 24 hour scrubs and 75% for subsequent 48 hour scrubs. but, for an orbiter's last scheduled launch, up against a weekend like this? i'd not expect more than 15% of the people showing up on friday to recuse themselves from showing up on saturday, whatever the reason.
but there still might be extra tickets sold at the box office the next day, possibly that night. and you can grab a parking placard on your way back out to the causeway if you want the option of driving back to the KSCVC and inquiring at the door. it's a sure bet you'll simply have to take the bus back to orlando first, though. i can't imagine any circumstance where a tour bus driver would have the authority to drive into any kind of .gov facility with 30 tourists and drive out with 29.
the bottom line is that it's not in delaware north's best interests to keep people from being able to buy replacement tickets to the causeway. if it's physically possible to get boxes of new LTTs from NASA to the gator and dolphin and florida buses within 24 hours to make another launch attempt, that's surely what they're going to do. you'll probably know one way or another by the time the bus returns to the parking lot with your car; if not, call the 800 number for your tour line and check kennedyspacecenter.com and hope for the best.
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Yea I figured there would be no way to walk back, and it looks like a good hike anyway, so that option is clearly bad. I was not sure about getting on a different bus either, but the one thing that I thought this may be an option was that the tour company says to be on time back to the bus after the launch or you are stranded. Surely you can get back to the VC at the very least.
Next week when I call Dolphin to confirm my pickup location I will ask them about all this we are discussing to see what they do. It does seem silly to not have a way to get replacement LTT for those companies. Last resort is of course to try to drive back to KSC after the tour bus drops us off in Orlando and see about getting a replacement that way and just drive back for the launch.
As a planner I like to have all my bases covered ahead of time so that if something goes awry I already have an idea what needs to be done. I don't like getting hit with something and then trying to figure stuff out then if possible. Thanks for the additional info!
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Next week when I call Dolphin to confirm my pickup location I will ask them about all this we are discussing to see what they do. It does seem silly to not have a way to get replacement LTT for those companies.
I'm a bit lost here.... Surely Gator/Dolphin will be more than happy to sell you a ticket to one of their tours for the rescheduled launch? They can't possibly be sold out at that stage.
It'll cost more than an LTT direct from the VC, sure, but it will get you in. And probably be a lot less bother than having people driving back and forth from Orlando.
Or am I missing something?
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Next week when I call Dolphin to confirm my pickup location I will ask them about all this we are discussing to see what they do. It does seem silly to not have a way to get replacement LTT for those companies.
I'm a bit lost here.... Surely Gator/Dolphin will be more than happy to sell you a ticket to one of their tours for the rescheduled launch? They can't possibly be sold out at that stage.
It'll cost more than an LTT direct from the VC, sure, but it will get you in. And probably be a lot less bother than having people driving back and forth from Orlando.
Or am I missing something?
I am certain they must have some way to do it, but someone I talked to on another webiste has used them 4 times and one of them was scrubbed for weather after they were at the causeway and he didn't get LTT for the rescheduled launch since the bus doesnt return to the VC. Now what he didn't tell me was if the company offered completely new tickets for the full price to return. This is something I am willing to pay for if there is a scrub, the guy I was chatting with has seen 6 launches or something so he probably would be unwilling.
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Does anyone know if I could use my VC ticket to visit KSC before the launch to take the tour? I was hoping to see the shuttle on the pad before the launch.
No one know the answer to this one?
There is a KSC tour that takes you within 1 km from the launch pads but I am pretty sure that it is not be available on the day of launch because of the security (and because of Space Shuttle filled with explosive hydrogen) but may be (I do not know) you can take this tour the day before the launch.
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I am not driving all the way from Nebraska to have me and my family see our first launch of any kind, and last shot at a shuttle launch for us to have it scrub and then not see it from the best possible way after we paid for the shot simply because the tour group does not return to give us another shot. I had the chance to get regular VC viewing tickets the day they went on sale and passed, i wanted to pay more to see it from the causeway. My second choice in viewing is from Titusville anyway, not VC.
I wish KSC would sell an advanced LTT that covers all attempts of the STS mission in question. Maybe you pay 100 per person and you get a LTT for every attempt. If it goes up on the first shot you paid much more, if it takes 5 you break even. NASA probably would come out ahead, and they could still sell the normal ones too for people who want to go the way they do currently. Doing that would help accomodate people like me who are coming from a long way to see it, and would really help our international visitors with their viewing.
Here! Here!
I am flying all the way from Canada, fueling $2000 in Florida economy in bad times. Cannot they organize it in a decent way so people will not get screwed for $2000 + a week of vacation time?
It is very frustrating :(
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spacedog71,
Thank you for the great and valuable advise!
Nasaspaceflight.com rules! :)
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Does anyone know if I could use my VC ticket to visit KSC before the launch to take the tour? I was hoping to see the shuttle on the pad before the launch.
No one know the answer to this one?
There is a KSC tour that takes you within 1 km from the launch pads but I am pretty sure that it is not be available on the day of launch because of the security (and because of Space Shuttle filled with explosive hydrogen) but may be (I do not know) you can take this tour the day before the launch.
My recollection is that the KSC tours don't run on launch day at all. In addition, the day before launch, the tour only goes to the viewing site (I forget what it's called, the overgrown scaffolding tower they've built for the public to view the pads.)
Prior to that the tour goes a lot closer, so if the opportunity's available, I'd go in a couple of days before the launch.
There are also good views from the road down to Playalinda Beach (up until the time that is closed, obviously).
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This is something I am willing to pay for if there is a scrub, the guy I was chatting with has seen 6 launches or something so he probably would be unwilling.
I can understand that because it's $100+, not the $25 or so that a replacement KSC LTT costs. But if it's your one and only chance, not your sixth, money doesn't really come into it, does it?
I'd give Gator a ring and ask them how the situation is handled. Then you can be all geared up to ring their booking office straight away, or do whatever else is needed.
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I will be going to atleast 2 of the last 3 launches.
This will be my 7th launch in person if I go.
(STS-84, STS-90, STS-95, STS-114, STS-124, STS-128)
I've had these missions scrub on me
(STS-121 July 1st, STS-122 December 9th, STS-127 July 11th, STS-130 February 7th)
I will only go if there is either a 1-2 day delay in the processing on the pad or a 24-48 hour scrub. I can now only do a weekend launch.
Orbiter
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Just off the phone with Dolphin, they told me that in the event of a scrub and you have used your LTT, Dolphin does not acquire new LTT if they go on sale. The lady I talked to was not even aware that NASA sells them again for the next day. I guess if we get a scrub after the LTT is used I am going to have to drive back from Orlando and hope the VC still has some left and then drive back for the next launch myself.
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Just off the phone with Dolphin, they told me that in the event of a scrub and you have used your LTT, Dolphin does not acquire new LTT if they go on sale. The lady I talked to was not even aware that NASA sells them again for the next day. I guess if we get a scrub after the LTT is used I am going to have to drive back from Orlando and hope the VC still has some left and then drive back for the next launch myself.
It looks like they have much less experience than Gator Tours. In that case let us explain to the bus driver and ask him/her to get the new LTT tickets for the next attempt.
In a case that we will not be able to get the new LTT tickets:
Dolphin has two pickup locations one in Orlando and another in Cocoa Beach. You can drive to Cocoa Beach pickup location (they told me that I can leave the car there) in this way it will be a shorter distance to drive back to VC.
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I didn't think Gator let you get new tickets either though. Do they in fact let you do that?
Person that I spoke to at Dolphin said they would possibly stop at the VC after launch or scrub, in which case it would be perfect for buying new LTT's. Not sure if they actually will do that, but I will be asking the bus driver regardless.
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I didn't think Gator let you get new tickets either though. Do they in fact let you do that?
Person that I spoke to at Dolphin said they would possibly stop at the VC after launch or scrub, in which case it would be perfect for buying new LTT's. Not sure if they actually will do that, but I will be asking the bus driver regardless.
Pleading, begging, bribing!!!
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I didn't think Gator let you get new tickets either though. Do they in fact let you do that?
I read in this thread that people who took bus tours in the past (I think it was Gator tours) were offered new LTT tour bus tickets in case of a last minutes scrub.
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I didn't think Gator let you get new tickets either though. Do they in fact let you do that?
Person that I spoke to at Dolphin said they would possibly stop at the VC after launch or scrub, in which case it would be perfect for buying new LTT's. Not sure if they actually will do that, but I will be asking the bus driver regardless.
I will be doing the same if it comes to that. I don't really want to sit on the bus driving back to Orlando only to turn around and try to get back to the VC before they sell out of LTT, although others mentioned that in the past they hold LTT for voucher people until the following day when they go on sale to anyone. If that is the case again I have until the VC closes for the day, which should not be an issue for a 2:20 launch. That is about 5 hours to get out of KSC and back again. Of course we all hope the launch goes off as planned and all of this is rendered meaningless :D
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Shurley someone here who has experience in Launch's knows the procedure for what happens if a scrub happens?
Seems there is 2 cases
1. People who bought their own Causeway tickets online..
2. People who have their Cuaseway ticket as part of a tour..
Can someone who has experienced it all before comment ?
Do we loose out tickets (which seems the case)?
Do we automatically get an offer to pay for next attempt?
How do we get new tickets if scrubbed?
Many Tks
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2. People who have their Cuaseway ticket as part of a tour..
Probably best to ask the company that you bought it off directly. They'll be able to give you the most accurate answer
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This was on Florida Dolphin Tour's website, not sure if it was always there or if it was updated:
In the event of a scrub/cancellation/reschedule once onboard our vehicle but before reaching KSCVC:
* No Refunds will be issued.
* Guests will be transported to KSCVC as a normal day, unless the scheduled time of launch caused collection times to be outside of regular KSCVC operating hours, in which case clients will be returned to their original pickup locations and given the following options:
* Reschedule to the next launch date ($25 per person).
* Reschedule to visit KSCVC on a regularly scheduled Florida Dolphin Tours excursion.
In the event of a scrub/cancellation/reschedule at KSCVC:
* No Refunds will be issued.
* Guests will enjoy KSCVC as a regular day, unless the scheduled time of launch results in being at KSCVC outside of regular operating hours, in which case announcements will be made as to when to return to vehicle and guests will then have the following options:
* VIP guests have the option to cash in their green LTT ticket for merchandise or concessions up to $20 value, whilst still at KSCVC, or retain to use on subsequent launch date, unless green LTT “VIP” have already been collected by a member of KSCVC staff, then LTT ticket will be considered used and will not be valid for further use in any capacity.
* Reschedule to the next launch date ($25 per person)
* Reschedule to visit KSCVC on a regularly scheduled Florida Dolphin Tours excursion ($25 per person). In the event of ANY rescheduling scenario, clients must retain any and all tickets (blue&green) given to them for use on subsequent launch/KSCVC visit. Lost or stolen tickets will not be replaced and will have to be repurchased at face value.
* Please note that in some instances, in the event of a scrub - LTT viewing may not be available for the subsequent rescheduled dates, in which case you will have the option to return to KSCVC and watch the launch from the main visitors complex for the $25.00 reschedule fee.
So it sounds like in the event of a scrub either on the bus or once reaching the viewing site, the Dolphin bus will take you to the VC where you should be able to acquire a "scrub LTT".
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Shurley someone here who has experience in Launch's knows the procedure for what happens if a scrub happens?
Seems there is 2 cases
1. People who bought their own Causeway tickets online..
2. People who have their Cuaseway ticket as part of a tour..
Can someone who has experienced it all before comment ?
Do we loose out tickets (which seems the case)?
Do we automatically get an offer to pay for next attempt?
How do we get new tickets if scrubbed?
Many Tks
You can find your answers by reading this entire thread.
I do not have experience but I read this entire thread and there seems to be the consensus from the people with experience in the following:
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a) if a scrub is before you boarded the bus to Causeway you do not loose your ticket.
b) if a scrub is while you are already on Causeway you loose your ticket but are able to buy a new Causeway (LTT) ticket for $25 the same day when you return to Visitor center.
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a) if a scrub is before you boarded the bus to Causeway you do not loose your ticket.
b) if a scrub is while you are already on Causeway you loose your ticket but those who took Gator tours say that they were offered a new LTT bus tour ticket for $50-60. Dolphin tour say that there will be no new LTT tickets but you will be able to see the next launch attempt from the Visitor center. Dolphin seems to repeat the info from the NASA Kennedy Space Center website:
http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/LTT.aspx
I think that Dolphin tours have less experience than Gator tours because their tickets are a little bit more expensive than Gator and probably not many people took Dolphin tours before. I think that Dolphin tours have the same chance to take new LTT tickets as Gator tours they just do not know about it.
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This was on Florida Dolphin Tour's website, not sure if it was always there or if it was updated:
In the event of a scrub/cancellation/reschedule once onboard our vehicle but before reaching KSCVC:
* No Refunds will be issued.
* Guests will be transported to KSCVC as a normal day, unless the scheduled time of launch caused collection times to be outside of regular KSCVC operating hours, in which case clients will be returned to their original pickup locations and given the following options:
* Reschedule to the next launch date ($25 per person).
* Reschedule to visit KSCVC on a regularly scheduled Florida Dolphin Tours excursion.
In the event of a scrub/cancellation/reschedule at KSCVC:
* No Refunds will be issued.
* Guests will enjoy KSCVC as a regular day, unless the scheduled time of launch results in being at KSCVC outside of regular operating hours, in which case announcements will be made as to when to return to vehicle and guests will then have the following options:
* VIP guests have the option to cash in their green LTT ticket for merchandise or concessions up to $20 value, whilst still at KSCVC, or retain to use on subsequent launch date, unless green LTT “VIP” have already been collected by a member of KSCVC staff, then LTT ticket will be considered used and will not be valid for further use in any capacity.
* Reschedule to the next launch date ($25 per person)
* Reschedule to visit KSCVC on a regularly scheduled Florida Dolphin Tours excursion ($25 per person). In the event of ANY rescheduling scenario, clients must retain any and all tickets (blue&green) given to them for use on subsequent launch/KSCVC visit. Lost or stolen tickets will not be replaced and will have to be repurchased at face value.
* Please note that in some instances, in the event of a scrub - LTT viewing may not be available for the subsequent rescheduled dates, in which case you will have the option to return to KSCVC and watch the launch from the main visitors complex for the $25.00 reschedule fee.
So it sounds like in the event of a scrub either on the bus or once reaching the viewing site, the Dolphin bus will take you to the VC where you should be able to acquire a "scrub LTT".
Hopefully this is the case, a guy I spoke with who took Dolphin before said that they had a weather scrub once already at the causeway and the bus did not return to the VC to allow him to get a new LTT. I guess I never asked him what time of day the launch was, I assumed afternoon since it was a weather issue. They may have changed their policy since then and return to the VC now.
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So for those of us who are travelling with gator or another company from Orlando by bus there is the question of how to come back to Orlando in the case that we only can leave the bus at VC but the bus will not waiting.
Will there be an NSF meeting point in front of VC e.g. to share taxis back to Orlando?
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Causeway tickets are becoming more reasonable on ebay.
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there is no reason to think the tour buses will return from the causeway to the visitor center after a scrub. they're almost certainly going to leave the causeway and go straight back to orlando or cocoa beach or wherever you were picked up.
here's what the KSCVC parking lot is like for hours after either a launch or a scrub: a completely bottlenecked single lane of KSCVC buses entering the main bus loop from the causeway, to drop off those who bought tickets online and drove onto the premises with a parking placard, and a completely bottlenecked single lane of cars with parking placards trying to leave the main parking area. traffic in gets waved through by police, and then they come to a stop while traffic out gets waved through by police.
here's the way tour buses operate:
1. you're picked up at a designated parking lot somewhere in florida at a designated time by a tour bus and transported to the KSCVC.
2. you exit the bus with all your gear and feed your blue KSCVC ticket through a turnstile, which is returned to you when you walk through.
3. you go through metal detectors and bag screening, and spend a few hours in the visitor center while your bus is being screened by security.
4. a few hours before the scheduled launch, you and your already-screened gear are picked up inside the KSCVC grounds by your already-screened bus. you hand your LTT to an employee while in line to board the bus. from this moment on, you have nothing but a blue ticket good for one more day at the visitor center. as clearly stated in section 7.A.1 on the kennedy space center web site at http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/LTT.aspx (http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/LTT.aspx), that's it. whatever happens after you board the bus to the causeway and surrender your LTT, your ticket has been used and KSCVC's obligation to you has been fulfilled.
5. your bus takes you to the causeway. the launch happens, or it does not.
6. your bus leaves the causeway and returns you to your designated parking lot.
people sometimes get confused on this point because bus tour attendees take a bus to the KSCVC and then board that same bus to the causeway a few hours later. "If you board a bus to the NASA Causeway and launch is postponed," proclaims the kennedy space center web site, "all elements of this ticket are considered used in full." by "board a bus" they're referring to step 4, not step 1.
the policies on the dolphin web site are badly written, because there should be an additional category listed after "In the event of a scrub/cancellation/reschedule at KSCVC" titled "In the event of a scrub/cancellation/reschedule after giving up your LTT and leaving the KSCVC for the causeway," covering steps 4-6.
both dolphin policies quoted above describe steps 1-3, scenarios where you are either on your way to the KSCVC and have not yet surrendered your LTT, or after you have arrived at the KSCVC -- and have also not yet surrendered your LTT (step 4). in either scenario, enjoying KSCVC "as a regular day" is still an option because you're either approaching or have arrived at the KSCVC but have not left for the causeway yet.
i have never heard of tour buses returning from the causeway to the KSCVC after a scrub. my experience after STS-128's weather scrub was that the gator tour bus went straight back to orlando. friends who took gator tours to STS-130 reported the same result after its weather scrub.
as relayed elsewhere in this thread, KSCVC has, in the past, given out vouchers for people boarding their buses (orange tickets, purchased online) to purchase replacement LTTs upon return to the KSCVC. their buses do return to the KSCVC, because all of the people on them arrived at the KSCVC by car, using the parking placards that were sent to them with their tickets. the handing out of vouchers is not a stated policy on their web site and is not guaranteed to happen at all for this last scheduled launch of atlantis. if anything, handing out vouchers at all in the past has been going well above and beyond what they're obligated to do.
my experience has been that gator tours does not give out these vouchers, because they head straight back to orlando after a scrub. on the bus ride home, people are offered either an opportunity to purchase return roundtrip tickets to view the launch from the visitor center with the second half of their blue ticket, or an opportunity to purchase return roundtrip tickets AND replacement LTTs, which has not been offered every time.
i have never taken dolphin or central florida bus packages. but i can't imagine they work differently from gator in this respect.
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Thanks spacedog, that was very detailed and goes along with what I have heard from other tour members in the past. I just have to hope that either the launch happens ontime, scrubs before we board the bus for the causeway, or Dolphin sells replacement LTT if a scrub happens after we leave for the causeway.
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my experience has been that gator tours does not give out these vouchers, because they head straight back to orlando after a scrub. on the bus ride home, people are offered either an opportunity to purchase return roundtrip tickets to view the launch from the visitor center with the second half of their blue ticket, or an opportunity to purchase return roundtrip tickets AND replacement LTTs, which has not been offered every time.
Thank you for all that, especially the above.
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From past experience of Gator, you only get 2 chances.
We'll assume handed in LTT.
Friday get scrubbed, so we get offered chance on bus to come back tomorrow with LTT.
Saturday gets scrubbed, than thats it Gator wont return for sunday, KSC dont give them the option.
Of course maybe different with last few launches, but that happened with STS-127 and STS-129, Causeway was deserted for 129.
John
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spacedog71, john_raiders,
Thank you very much for the very valuable info!
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spacedog71, john_raiders, thanks for sharing your experience.
Wow!
What a confusing system...
That's why I got (was lucky to be able to buy) Causeway tickets from KSC as an backup to the package from Gator.
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spacedog71, john_raiders, thanks for sharing your experience.
Wow!
What a confusing system...
That's why I got (was lucky to be able to buy) Causeway tickets from KSC as an backup to the package from Gator.
Wow, you're actually in a better position than most: you have 2 LTT tickets!
As an aside, I received my official VC ticket & parking placard today (to go with my Gator tour, though I may be able to part with them by the sounds of it: view it from Titusville in the event of a scrub without an LTT).
JOY!! :)
(Less that 1 week until I leave: I can almost taste it now) hehe
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I'm pulling for all of you. What dedicated fans! Love it.....You all deserve a great show after what you have been through already. Can't even imagine what the STS 132 Crew is going through.
ATLANTIS we love you. Thanks for your stalwart service, drive and beauty.
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Hi everybody,
I am planning to go to STS-132 (my first launch), and so far I have visitor center tickets, and I am still hoping that I might find some Causeway tickets (if anyone has any ideas, let me know!).
Assuming I get them somehow, can any of the more experienced launch goers give me an idea of how much time you need to give yourself to get from the VC, on the buses and out to the causeway? In other words, at what time in the morning before the launch should you make sure you leave the VC?
Thanks in advance,
Mark
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Hi everybody,
I am planning to go to STS-132 (my first launch), and so far I have visitor center tickets, and I am still hoping that I might find some Causeway tickets (if anyone has any ideas, let me know!).
Assuming I get them somehow, can any of the more experienced launch goers give me an idea of how much time you need to give yourself to get from the VC, on the buses and out to the causeway? In other words, at what time in the morning before the launch should you make sure you leave the VC?
Thanks in advance,
Mark
Try to call florida dolphin tours: 407-352-4646
http://www.floridadolphintours.com/?q=node/12
They were the last who had bus tour Causeway tickets last week.
The price is $121 and you travel to NASA Causeway with a tour bus.
If the Shuttle flies away from the first attempt you are lucky, if not read two spacedog71 and john_raiders posts above.
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here's the KSCVC operating timetable from sts-129 in november 2009, when atlantis launched at 2:28 pm ET. you can probably expect a very similar schedule on may 14th (and so on): visitor center open from 6:00 am to 6:00 pm that day, etc.
note that the last bus out to the apollo/saturn v center and international space station leaves at 8:45 am; people will probably be corralled out of there and bused back to the KSCVC around 10:00 am. the grassy area directly across from the gift shop at the apollo/saturn v center, with the bleachers to the right, is a private VIP viewing area cordoned off from the rest of the banana creek VIP viewing area, which you can see out the doors by the thruster side of the saturn v rocket display.
they'll be busing you out early in the morning so they can bus the VIPs in, but prior to that, there's (probably - your mileage may vary) nothing stopping you from walking out to the river's edge and taking some photos of launch pad 39A -- the closest shots you'll be able to take of the launch pad on launch day without VIP tickets of your own. the scaffolding obscures virtually everything but the very tip of the external tank, but it's still an impressive sight.
at the moment, the IMAX films are the newly released hubble 3D and magnificent desolation: walking on the moon 3D. note that the IMAX films are free included with admission. i strongly recommend you take in a viewing of hubble 3D while you're at the KSCVC, for the STS-125 launch scene alone -- which includes audience shots from the banana creek viewing area.
for my part, i'll probably do what i did in november -- get up while it's still dark and sacrifice my hotel's continental breakfast so i can stop by space view park in titusville and get pictures of the launch pad just as the rising sun hits it from the other side of the river at 6:33 am (nap in the KSCVC parking lot to follow).
main stage -- rocket garden
nasa's televised launch coverage on a jumbo screen with special launch presentations
10:00 am live launch status update and astronaut encounter
11:00 am live launch status update and astronaut encounter
12:00 pm live launch status update and astronaut encounter
1:00 pm live launch status update and astronaut encounter
2:00 pm live coverage of final countdown
kennedy space center bus tour
apollo/saturn v center and international space center
pre-launch: first departure 6:30 am - last departure 8:45 am
live launch coverage
launch status center: 6:00 am - 5:00 pm
astronaut encounter theater: 10:00 am - 4:00 pm
launch status briefings -- launch status center
10:00 am, 11:00 am, 12:00 pm, 1:00 pm, 4:00 pm, 5:00 pm
space station 3D -- IMAX theater
6:30 am, 7:00 am, 7:30 am, 8:00 am, 8:30 am, 9:00 am, 9:30 am, 10:00 am, 10:30 am, 11:00 am, 11:30 am, 12:00 pm, 12:30 pm, 1:00 pm, 3:00 pm, 3:30 pm, 4:00 pm, 4:30 pm, 5:00 pm
shuttle launch experience
pre-launch: 6:00 am - 1:45 pm
post-launch: 2:45 pm - 6:00 pm
"a new journey has begin: constellation" at astronaut encounter theater
continuous showings from 6:30 am - 9:30 am and 4:30 am - 5:45 am
spaceperson photo opportunity
10:00 am, 11:00 am, 12:00 pm, 1:00 pm, 2:00 pm, 3:00 pm, 4:00 pm, 5:00 pm
robot scouts
6:00 am - 6:00 pm
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That so great, Spacedog 71, of you to lay it out like that. I was at the launch of 130, and of 122 before that, and was pleasantly surprised how much was open and operating in the hours before launch.
For 130, we spent quite a bit of time at the Saturn V centre at the edge of the water just looking at the launchpad (for 130 this was in the middle of the night, and the way that the launchpad was lit was quite stunning).
If you're going to the causeway, pee before you get in line - we were waiting for a long time to get on a bus.
Here's a report that some friend and I wrote after our launch experience in Feb. Scroll down a bit to see the launch day activities and pics:
http://toronto.rasc.ca/content/STS130rep1.shtml
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About what time will the causeway buses for both KSC and tours start boarding? Want to get some idea about how much we can get in before we should be in line.
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I believe we were standing in line around 1am for at 4am launch, so about 3 or 4 hours prior..... We had arrived at the KSCVC around 9pm, which gave us a few hours before to do KSC tours, etc..... Note that the "normal" bus tour around the facilities did not go to the gantry that night. We basically just went to the Saturn V centre and back, walked around the KSC, ate, sat in front of the large screen near the rocket garden and listened to talks and generally absorbed the vibe.
Car placards that you receive with your tickets will also tell you about what time to arrive, but for a 2.19pm launch, you'll be on the bus around 11, so I'd try to get to KSC as early as possible that day...... I think I read it will be open around 6am?
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About what time will the causeway buses for both KSC and tours start boarding? Want to get some idea about how much we can get in before we should be in line.
you'll definitely want to be ready to get in line around eleven am or so.
the documentation that came with my KSCVC causeway ticket says 2-3 hours before launch. i seem to remember both of my gator trips also having a meet-up time at about the three hour mark.
for STS-131's 6:21 am launch i'd purchased "dinner" (breakfast) with an astronaut, which ran late enough to make me quite anxious about the time. didn't get back out to the car to get my gear and through the metal detectors and back into the causeway line until 4:15 am, which had stretched all the way past the nasa logo statue by the front entrance to the front of astronaut encounter. didn't get through the (unbelievably long) line and out to the causeway until 5:30 am, all the way in the back, right against the outer eastern edge of the causeway's roped off area. i don't plan on ever cutting it THAT close again.
another protip: while the causeway does have intermittent local concessions like tents and trailers selling hot dogs and chips and souvenirs, it seems to be all local church groups and organizations. when you board a bus for the causeway you've stepped away from any kind of standardized pricing, quality control, or official merchandise.
doesn't mean every cheeseburger at the causeway will necessarily be room temperature and every unlicensed toy "space orbiter" will necessarily fall apart before you get it home, but if you have your heart set on an official STS-132 t-shirt, you might have better luck (and vastly shorter lines) at the kennedy space center gift shop at the airport on your way into orlando.
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Is anyone on the 5:55am Dolphin Tours bus from the Quality Inn International?
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doesn't mean every cheeseburger at the causeway will necessarily be room temperature and every unlicensed toy "space orbiter" will necessarily fall apart before you get it home, but if you have your heart set on an official STS-132 t-shirt, you might have better luck (and vastly shorter lines) at the kennedy space center gift shop at the airport on your way into orlando.
Strongly agree here...get your official STS-132 souvenirs at the airport KSC shop on your way IN. If you wait until you are flying out they will likely be sold out.
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I am on the 5:40 dolphin bus from Comfort Inn LBV just in case anyone else on here is on that one.
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I'm heading down next week to see the launch, the last one for me personally. I've got my own arrangements all set up but I just wanted to say ...
WOW
... thanks spacedog71 for your excellent posts here!
AFTER this launch, someone should digest all of this information (especially the scrub/LTT info) and make one single reference post that people can point to. Because it's only going to get crazier in these viewing threads for the last couple missions. You guys are chewing your limbs off in here with all the stress and rumor and misinformation :)
For example, I always point people to Ben Cooper's page:
http://www.launchphotography.com/Shuttle_Launch_Viewing.html
... but that doesn't go into the details of how exactly causeway tickets are handled in event of a scrub.
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heh. thanks chris. good to hear. :D
someday i will illustrate the whole bloody saga about STS-119's scrub and STS-127's scrubs and STS-128's scrubs and how it took five flights to florida before i got to see a single freaking shuttle launch. (it's been kind of a rough year). ::)
in the meantime, of course, i've become very, very well acquainted with the process and its various permutations therein. happy to give back.
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Huh! Don't get me started of STS-127's 4 scrubs! I traveled to Florida twice from Toronto for that launch, and never saw it with all those scrubs. Hydrogen tank, weather, lightning, weather, and oh yeah, weather.
Let's hope all goes well for 132, and I hope all the first time launch goers have a wonderful time.
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So, not going to be able to watch STS 132 from KSC as I didn't get selected for the KSC tweetup BUT I did get selected to go to JSC May 19th for the MCC tweetup during Atlantis's final mission. Just bring tears of joy to my eyes; now to figure out the logistics of getting out there and if its do-able in the middle of my FL vacation LOL
Anyone else here register for these tweetups?
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So, not going to be able to watch STS 132 from KSC as I didn't get selected for the KSC tweetup BUT I did get selected to go to JSC May 19th for the MCC tweetup during Atlantis's final mission. Just bring tears of joy to my eyes; now to figure out the logistics of getting out there and if its do-able in the middle of my FL vacation LOL
Anyone else here register for these tweetups?
Yes! I'm going for the STS-132 tweetup at JSC; they sent me a confirmation email today. Happiness... :D
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Huh! Don't get me started of STS-127's 4 scrubs! I traveled to Florida twice from Toronto for that launch, and never saw it with all those scrubs. Hydrogen tank, weather, lightning, weather, and oh yeah, weather.
I'm another victim of 127's scrubs. Went home to Florida with nearly two weeks to see 127 go. Still missed it. Saw LRO launch, though... for about ten seconds, then vanished into clouds.
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I nominate Spacedog as the DOG OF DAWGS. You are so awesome to take the time to share your knowledge and experience to help us-total strangers! Thanks.
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I hope you're all keeping a very close eye on the updates from the writers here, such as Chris B and Chris G? I remember a previous viewing thread where they was a change of launch date and too many people were only watching this thread.
So tip is to keep checking the live update thread:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19698.0
The news site here:
www.nasaspaceflight.com
And Chris B has Twitter:
http://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight
There is no place that is faster with news on shuttle and things can change real fast, such as it did with STS-131.
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Just wanted to check, is anyone that is holding causeway tickets not planning on going? I am still interested in buying LTTs if I can get a decent deal on it.
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Just wanted to check, is anyone that is holding causeway tickets not planning on going? I am still interested in buying LTTs if I can get a decent deal on it.
Yes, I am in need of two causeway tickets as well, if someone is interested in selling tickets they won't be using...
Best Regards,
Mark
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someday i will illustrate the whole bloody saga about STS-119's scrub and STS-127's scrubs and STS-128's scrubs and how it took five flights to florida before i got to see a single freaking shuttle launch. (it's been kind of a rough year). ::)
Maybe this will make you feel better: I have been at KSC for 21 scrubs and one abort. And I don't work at KSC and I've never lived in Florida. Going there is 2000+ miles round trip for me. There should be a support group for folks like us...
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I really hope she launches on May 14th.
I had the distinct privilege of watching STS-125 from the Causeway last year.... it was, truly, one of the most important 'bucket list' items for me.
I wish I could be there this time, but my work schedule simply doesn't permit it.
Which is a real shame, since this is ...
A) Atlantis' Ultimate flight. (Most likely.)
B) I've seen Atlantis fly before
C) May 14th is my birthday!
D) GO ATLANTIS!
A very sad, yet fitting, birthday gift from NASA, whether I'm there or not.
Thanks all, and Godspeed Atlantis!
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If anyone is still looking for causeway access, I'm cancelling 3 Gator Tours seats today. Thought I heard they were sold out. Got a better offer (Saturn V Center). Haven't gotten through to Gator yet.
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So, not going to be able to watch STS 132 from KSC as I didn't get selected for the KSC tweetup BUT I did get selected to go to JSC May 19th for the MCC tweetup during Atlantis's final mission. Just bring tears of joy to my eyes; now to figure out the logistics of getting out there and if its do-able in the middle of my FL vacation LOL
Anyone else here register for these tweetups?
Yes! I'm going for the STS-132 tweetup at JSC; they sent me a confirmation email today. Happiness... :D
I'll be going to JSC as well on 5/19. Still trying to work out travel plans. Anyone from Houston able to recommend where to stay/be? JSC seems pretty far from Houston proper.
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OK, I'm going to the launch on a congressional Ticket, and the RSVP process told me that I'd receive information a week before launch. I was hoping that meant 8 or 9 days, but it looks like they really mean 7 days (I hope) because I haven't heard anything. From reading the threads, I heard that they usually have you meet a bus on merrit island a few hours before launch and they take you from there (and return you there.) Has anyone had any expereince with how this works? SHould I eat a big breakfast before hand, or will there be opportunities to get some food?
Also, I'm travelling with my 75 year old father. He can move around okay and all, but he wouldn't be ok standing for a few hours. Can I bring a collapsable chair for him? I didn't see anything on the invite about what I could or Could not bring...maybe that's still forthcoming.
TJ
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I'll be going to JSC as well on 5/19. Still trying to work out travel plans. Anyone from Houston able to recommend where to stay/be? JSC seems pretty far from Houston proper.
Most hotels along or near Bay Area Blvd or NASA Rd 1 are good choices if you want to be near JSC. On average Houston is a 30 min drive from JSC, traffic depedent.
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someday i will illustrate the whole bloody saga about STS-119's scrub and STS-127's scrubs and STS-128's scrubs and how it took five flights to florida before i got to see a single freaking shuttle launch. (it's been kind of a rough year). ::)
Maybe this will make you feel better: I have been at KSC for 21 scrubs and one abort. And I don't work at KSC and I've never lived in Florida. Going there is 2000+ miles round trip for me. There should be a support group for folks like us...
Ouch. Hope we all have better luck than that.
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Can I bring a collapsable chair for him? I didn't see anything on the invite about what I could or Could not bring...maybe that's still forthcoming.
TJ
They will probably give you a list of prohibited items (beach umbrellas, pets, grills, drugs, alcohol, weapons, fireworks, luggage, large bags). Anything you do bring will have to fit on your lap on the bus. There are no underseat storage or overhead bins. In fact the bus can be quite cramped.
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What is the best way to get to the Visitors Center from New Smyrna on Launch day?
- I-95 to NASA Pkwy W
- US-1/FL-5 to NASA Pkwy W
- or Kennedy Pkwy N to NASA Pkwy W
http://tinyurl.com/2d6swvw - That Google Map shows the area.
Do either the N/S Kennedy Pkwy or the E/W NASA Pkwy backup significantly on launch day? What about restricted access/roadblocks? Seems to me that Kennedy Pkwy would be more "scenic". We are slated for a 9AM arrival to KSC VC.
Thanks in advance
-daniel
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Seems to me that Kennedy Pkwy would be more "scenic".
Since Kennedy Pkwy, especially from the North, runs through the space center area, I'm not sure it's an option for the public on any day, let alone on a Shuttle launch day.
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OK, I'm going to the launch on a congressional Ticket, and the RSVP process told me that I'd receive information a week before launch. I was hoping that meant 8 or 9 days, but it looks like they really mean 7 days (I hope) because I haven't heard anything. From reading the threads, I heard that they usually have you meet a bus on merrit island a few hours before launch and they take you from there (and return you there.) Has anyone had any expereince with how this works? SHould I eat a big breakfast before hand, or will there be opportunities to get some food?
Also, I'm travelling with my 75 year old father. He can move around okay and all, but he wouldn't be ok standing for a few hours. Can I bring a collapsable chair for him? I didn't see anything on the invite about what I could or Could not bring...maybe that's still forthcoming.
TJ
if your experience is anything like mine was with congressional tickets in february, your bus will be going straight from the sears parking lot in the back of a shopping mall to the causeway and back again, with no stops in between.
there are tents set up every quarter-mile or so on the causeway with dozens of folding chairs underneath.
the buses roll in, u-turn, and line up, three across, filling in from west to east.
depending on how far of a walk you'd face to the nearest tent to your right, there should be at least a few as-yet-unclaimed folding chairs for the taking. (people tend to walk off their bus, turn to the right, beeline for the latest tent, and grab chairs with which to walk back to the area in front of their bus.)
you may want to sit right down in the chairs in the shade of the tent itself. (it's certainly what i plan to do next friday; as a redhead, i find florida sunlight downright painful.)
there are lines of portable toilets every few hundred yards, and some manner of trailer or tent at about the same interval grilling burgers and selling snacks and candy out of costco boxes.
at the very least, you'll probably want to bring some bottled water; lately i've been treating the bags of peanuts and cookies my airline gives me on the flight down as causeway rations.
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Hola!
Long time lurker and first time poster. STS-132 will be my 3rd launch and I cannot wait!!!
Quite a few of my wife's relatives live in and around the Merritt Island area and we just got a call stating that they have a VIP Placard for their car in hand. Can anyone elborate where we will be seeing this launch from? I was thinking it will be either by the countdown clock or the Saturn V Center but wasn't sure.
Even if its at the causeway I really dont care, this will be my closest viewing spot yet!
Thanks!
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Hola!
Long time lurker and first time poster. STS-132 will be my 3rd launch and I cannot wait!!!
Quite a few of my wife's relatives live in and around the Merritt Island area and we just got a call stating that they have a VIP Placard for their car in hand. Can anyone elborate where we will be seeing this launch from? I was thinking it will be either by the countdown clock or the Saturn V Center but wasn't sure.
Even if its at the causeway I really dont care, this will be my closest viewing spot yet!
Thanks!
99% sure it will be at the causeway, the Saturn V center is for VIP's and the countdown clock is news media/twitter. Anyway, you'll have a great view and nice atmosphere, enjoy!
Peter
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It could be two things:
One, car passes are indeed issued for the Causeway for employees who are nominated by their NASA work contacts for that purpose. It's really easy, one badged employee has to be in the car, but you can drive right onto the west end of the Causeway and enjoy the launch without having to deal with the VC or busses.
Two, if you're very very lucky, there are VIP passes issued to employees which allow you to drive directly to the barge turn basin site, which is actually closer than the press site by very slight amount and certainly closer than Banana Creek. These are fantastic seats, if you end up here! It's similar to the Causeway in that it's limited bleacher seating with mainly standing-room-only, but launch commentary is broadcast and there's access to the NASA Exchange trailer for buying souvenirs.
Either way, enjoy!
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Thanks for the quick feedback. As soon as I can get more details on which causeway site I'll report back.
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So, I'm flying in from SF Bay Area, arriving late Thursday night. I have causeway tickets....and two kids (6 yrs and 3yrs). This is my second launch (first was also Atlantis, STS-76 in 1996--an amazing night launch).
I have a few questions that I'd really appreciate your input on --
1) It seems like we wouldn't be boarding a bus from KSC to the Causeway until around 11am or so; but I have to arrive by 7am due to the time on my placard. So, this means I will get to spend about 4 hours either passed out in the car with the kids in the parking lot (possible--we're on CA time, 3 yrs early), or touring KSC (more likely). Do I have that right? KSC from 7am to 11am? with stuff to do around KSC?
2) Food for the kids at KSC? at Causeway?
Is there food I can pick up for the kids early? (breakfast type) or later? Can't tell from the "limited food stands" exactly what they mean. Hot dogs? Candy bars? Sandwiches?
3) Shade/seats at Causeway?
My only concern is that the kids have a spot to sit in the shade and that their old man is able to sit in a chair in the shade--we all burn easily. We won't really be able to bring in chairs (given travel schedule, etc.). I've read there are tents with chairs some places, but can't tell if that's VIP only and how hard it will be to get to those. If I arrive earlier is there a better chance of getting these? Are they actually there? Any other thoughts along these lines?
4) After the launch, will we have an hour or so to go back to KSC and tour? or no?
Thanks so much in advance for your thoughtful replies.
P.S. (looked for similar questions, didn't quite see something exactly on point -- sorry if a duplicate)
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Here's some info on what you asked:
1) The arrive by time isn't enforced steadfast. It's basically there to help throttle the traffic, but all they're looking at is the placard itself. If you think it'll help the day, especially with the kids, fudging your arrive by time a little won't be a big deal. Just don't wait until the last minute, as traffic is going to be extremely heavy. Don't aim for much later than 8.
2) It changes every launch, but there's sometimes hot food and packaged snacks at the causeway, sometimes both. You'll also be able to get coffee and canned soft drinks. There will be the usual options at the Visitor's Center, too, all of which are around the same (slightly inflated) price.
3) There are no viewing areas with reliable shade on the causeway. If you want to be at the best site on the east side of the causeway, then you want to be on the first or second bus. That takes you directly to an area with a countdown clock and bleacher seating. There's only room on that section for one or two busses, plus you have the advantage of being early in line for a LTT replacement ticket voucher if there's a scrub. If shade is a concern, bring an umbrella.
4) You should have no problem with this, and should probably plan on it. You'll sit in horrendous traffic going outbound from KSC. It's taken me as long as 3 hours to get back to Orlando, most of which was clearing the immediate traffic from the coast.
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Can anyone verify this?
We were down just before Christmas and took a very senic drive thru Canaveral National Seashore. Someone told me that they close it 3 or 4 days before the launch? I had good views of 39A and 39B from there and would like to get some pics with the shuttle on the pad, is this a good place or is the shuttle mostly obstructed by the pad from the North? Any other recomendations without going onto KSC?
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Can anyone verify this?
We were down just before Christmas and took a very senic drive thru Canaveral National Seashore. Someone told me that they close it 3 or 4 days before the launch? I had good views of 39A and 39B from there and would like to get some pics with the shuttle on the pad, is this a good place or is the shuttle mostly obstructed by the pad from the North? Any other recomendations without going onto KSC?
Yes, you can view the shuttle on the pad from Playalinda Beach. You can't see the orbiter itself but you can see the ET and SRB's. It is a great view, I am actually heading over myself in a couple days.
(http://scriptunasimages.smugmug.com/photos/729526591_gTUwB-M.jpg)
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Thanks Walter!
We never went over to the beach. We came down from the north on the "lab road" and went west from there. Saw about 20 nice Gators here and there, and about a 12 footer right next to the road. Was cold that week before Christmas, and could have got out and petted them!
About the closing the park before launch, not sure I would want to hide for 4 days in the swamp with the Gators and Skeeters to see the lanch from a couple miles away? Am sure they sweep it pretty good from the air, but I am sure it has been done.
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Seems to me that Kennedy Pkwy would be more "scenic".
Since Kennedy Pkwy, especially from the North, runs through the space center area, I'm not sure it's an option for the public on any day, let alone on a Shuttle launch day.
Thanks - I also came across this map that shows Kennedy Parkway as closed off with security gates - http://www.planetware.com/i/map/US/kennedy-space-center-spaceport-usa-map.jpg
Here are a couple of cool Google Street View images:
http://tinyurl.com/294vr43
http://tinyurl.com/27bk7r6
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For those coming for the launch, here's some information about road closures that might be helpful in planning your trip:
Per KSC:
- The Cape Canaveral National Seashore, also called Playalinda Beach, will close for launch on Monday, May 10, at 6 p.m. and will reopen after launch. The Merritt Island National Wildlife Refuge will close on Thursday, May 13, at 6 p.m. and will reopen after launch.
- State Road 406 east to State Road 3, and State Road 3 from the Haulover Canal bridge south to County Road 402 leading to Titusville will be open to badged personnel only beginning on Thursday, May 13, at 6 p.m.. These roads will close to all vehicle traffic on Friday, May 14, at 2:10 p.m. until after a successful launch is confirmed.
- State Road 3 from the Gate 2 News Media Pass and Identification Building to State Road 405 NASA Causeway via Space Commerce Way will be closed for launch to unauthorized vehicles beginning at 8 a.m. on Friday, May 14. NASA Causeway between the U.S. Astronaut Hall of Fame and the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex will also close starting at that time. The roads will reopen two hours after launch.
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For those coming for the launch, here's some information about road closures that might be helpful in planning your trip:
Per KSC:
- The Cape Canaveral National Seashore, also called Playalinda Beach, will close for launch on Monday, May 10, at 6 p.m. and will reopen after launch. The Merritt Island National Wildlife Refuge will close on Thursday, May 13, at 6 p.m. and will reopen after launch.
- State Road 406 east to State Road 3, and State Road 3 from the Haulover Canal bridge south to County Road 402 leading to Titusville will be open to badged personnel only beginning on Thursday, May 13, at 6 p.m.. These roads will close to all vehicle traffic on Friday, May 14, at 2:10 p.m. until after a successful launch is confirmed.
- State Road 3 from the Gate 2 News Media Pass and Identification Building to State Road 405 NASA Causeway via Space Commerce Way will be closed for launch to unauthorized vehicles beginning at 8 a.m. on Friday, May 14. NASA Causeway between the U.S. Astronaut Hall of Fame and the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex will also close starting at that time. The roads will reopen two hours after launch.
Oh thanks! I was starting to plan going to Playalinda Beach when I first arrive on the 11th, but I now see that would be futile, so very much appreciated!
So would Merritt island be the next best pre-launch viewing area?
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Got the intinerary for Congressional Tickets today. I heard somewhere that busses stop at the VC to go through a security screening. Is that true?
-------------------------Letter from Nasa Below------------------
CAUSEWAY
LAUNCH ITINERARY FOR
CONGRESSIONAL GUESTS
KENNEDY SPACE CENTER (KSC), FLORIDA
STS-132, ATLANTIS LAUNCH
FRIDAY, MAY 14, 2010
All Congressional guests will meet in the Merritt Square Mall parking lot on the South West side of the mall behind Sears, where they will board their assigned bus. The street address for Merritt Square Mall:
777 East Merritt Island Causeway, Merritt Island, FL 32952
All guests over the age of 16 must present a valid Government issued ID (i.e. driver’s license, school ID, or passport).
Please note that guests will not be permitted to drive their personal vehicles to the Kennedy Space Center on the day of launch. Absolutely NO coolers or large bags will be permitted—Guests will be permitted to bring a camera, a small umbrella, and a small umbrella stroller. A foldable chair that can be placed in a bag and carried is recommended, as there is limited seating available. Please note: water, concessions, and bathroom facilities will be available at the Causeway VIP Viewing Site. The dress code is casual.
All guests will be met by representatives of the Headquarters NASA Office of Legislative & Intergovernmental Affairs. Guests can call the Congressional Guest Hotline at 866-838-7437 for updates about the scheduled launch date/time and instructions in the event of a launch delay.
10 am Guests meet at the Merritt Square Mall; guests board bus transportation.
Parking allowed in parking lot at the South West side behind Sears.
10:30 – 11:15 am En route to NASA Causeway VIP Viewing Site.
11:15 am Arrive NASA Causeway.
2:20 pm Launch of Space Shuttle Atlantis on mission STS-132.
2:40 pm Bus departs NASA Causeway for Merritt Square Mall.
Due to traffic conditions, expect a 1 to 1.5 hour trip.
3:40 pm Arrive Merritt Square Mall.
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Merritt Island and the Port Canaveral area are definitely good for pre-launch viewing. RSS retract is ~5PM on the 13th with the xenon lights coming on that night, so you'll have a great view either way!
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Merritt Island and the Port Canaveral area are definitely good for pre-launch viewing. RSS retract is ~5PM on the 13th with the xenon lights coming on that night, so you'll have a great view either way!
awesome, thanks!
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Got the intinerary for Congressional Tickets today. I heard somewhere that busses stop at the VC to go through a security screening. Is that true?
Edit: I suppose I was wrong -- some of the busses do go through a separate causeway screening. Banana Creek busses do not go through this additional security.
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Sweet. one less stop.
So, as far as I can tell, the only differences between a LTT ticket and a Congressional ticket are:
-No stops at Visitor Center
-Pick up/Drop off at the mall
-No cost
That's about it, right?
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- The Cape Canaveral National Seashore, also called Playalinda Beach, will close for launch on Monday, May 10, at 6 p.m. and will reopen after launch. The Merritt Island National Wildlife Refuge will close on Thursday, May 13, at 6 p.m. and will reopen after launch.
Thanks, we get in Sunday and will get over there first thing on monday!
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Got the intinerary for Congressional Tickets today. I heard somewhere that busses stop at the VC to go through a security screening. Is that true?
Yes, the congressional buses go through security at the VC. For STS-131 this was done at tents at the south end of the VC parking lot, away from everything else. Everyone got off of the bus and went through metal detectors while bomb-sniffing dogs went through the bus. Security recommended that we leave as much of our stuff on the bus as posssible so that there was less stuff to deal with at the metal detectors.
Also, at the mall parking lot gathering area STS-130 astronaut Steve Robinson was mingling with the crowd. I meant to ask him to compare sitting in the ISS cupola versus standing in a Sears parking lot at 1:30am, but didn't get the chance.
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Got the intinerary for Congressional Tickets today. I heard somewhere that busses stop at the VC to go through a security screening. Is that true?
forgot to mention that before. you do actually make one stop between the mall parking lot and the causeway.
and unlike gator, dolphin, etc., your bus isn't screened in a way that lets you into the KSCVC for last minute snacks or trips to the gift shop.
instead, they take you to the far edge of the KSCVC parking lot. everybody gets off the bus and waits under a tent for a few minutes while security screens the bus, and then you get back on and head out to the causeway from there.
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Merritt Island and the Port Canaveral area are definitely good for pre-launch viewing. RSS retract is ~5PM on the 13th with the xenon lights coming on that night, so you'll have a great view either way!
Could you give more details on how to get to either of these places please? We're interested in seeing the shuttle lit up the night before. Would we still be able to visit Space View park to watch the shuttle sitting on the pad? We missed out on the guided tour that would take visitors to the Causeway to see the shuttle before launch, so we're hoping to see it from outside KSC.
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Is there anyone with LTT's that would not be able to make a second attempt in the event of a scrub who I could maybe buy the unused tickets off or a ticket repurchased after they get back to the VC? I would pay a bit more for it to make it worth your while. I have Dolphin tours tickets for first attempt but would prefer the standard ticket for any further attempts. Need 2 if anyone can help.
Thanks, Dave.
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Wow 40 pages already, should be interesting to see how far this gets as we get closer to launch! 6 Days 14 Hours 20 Minutes to go :) Just got confirmation on my tickets today, phew, nothing like waiting until the last minute.
Looking forward to meeting some of you at dinner!
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I noticed on one of the pictures that there are bleachers on the causeway..are these first come, first served? If not, I guess I need to find some disposable chairs at a walmart.
Also, I'm coming from Orlando to canavral. Is there a good place to eat breakfast on Merrit Island?
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Depends how much you need it. Personally I would probably do without and get through KSC security as early as possible and buy some junk from inside. Much better to be relaxing inside not worrying about time than munching on steak and eggs somewhere and ending up at the back of the line. However thats just me ;)
I noticed on one of the pictures that there are bleachers on the causeway..are these first come, first served? If not, I guess I need to find some disposable chairs at a walmart.
Also, I'm coming from Orlando to canavral. Is there a good place to eat breakfast on Merrit Island?
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Has anyone any experience of seeing the SRB's being towed in at Port Canaveral? Can you see anything? Is it worth seeing?
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Much better to be relaxing inside not worrying about time than munching on steak and eggs somewhere and ending up at the back of the line. However thats just me ;)
How early do you need to be in line for the causeway buses to get a good spot?
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Much better to be relaxing inside not worrying about time than munching on steak and eggs somewhere and ending up at the back of the line. However thats just me ;)
How early do you need to be in line for the causeway buses to get a good spot?
If you look on Google Earth, the west side of the causeway is approx a mile closer to the pad than the east end. The buses park at the west in a line therefore the later you are the further away you are. However from memory the best line of sight is half way so its a trade off depending on how you want to play it. Send me your email address and I will send you a diagram if you want a better idea.
Regards.
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Much better to be relaxing inside not worrying about time than munching on steak and eggs somewhere and ending up at the back of the line. However thats just me ;)
How early do you need to be in line for the causeway buses to get a good spot?
If you look on Google Earth, the west side of the causeway is approx a mile closer to the pad than the east end. The buses park at the west in a line therefore the later you are the further away you are. However from memory the best line of sight is half way so its a trade off depending on how you want to play it. Send me your email address and I will send you a diagram if you want a better idea.
Regards.
It will be my first time at the causeway. Are there restrictions in where I can go? Are there fences or something else?
Thanks
Marco
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Much better to be relaxing inside not worrying about time than munching on steak and eggs somewhere and ending up at the back of the line. However thats just me ;)
How early do you need to be in line for the causeway buses to get a good spot?
If you look on Google Earth, the west side of the causeway is approx a mile closer to the pad than the east end. The buses park at the west in a line therefore the later you are the further away you are. However from memory the best line of sight is half way so its a trade off depending on how you want to play it. Send me your email address and I will send you a diagram if you want a better idea.
Regards.
It will be my first time at the causeway. Are there restrictions in where I can go? Are there fences or something else?
Thanks
Marco
I think you can track up the causeway from where your bus parks however everytime I have been out there I have stayed relatively close to the bus as there are 100's of identical buses and you have to board the same one back that you came on. I certainly saw other people walking around and away from they're buses but I cant say 100% that there wasnt a limit or that there were zones you had to stay in.
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Has anyone any experience of seeing the SRB's being towed in at Port Canaveral? Can you see anything? Is it worth seeing?
Best place to see the SRB's is at the Canaveral lock. The hard part is knowing when they'll be coming through but it's definitely worth seeing.
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You can watch from just about any area of the Causeway, but keep in mind you'll have to hustle back to get on your original departure bus if you go too far west. There's also guards stationed at the drawbridge that separates the east and west causeways, so I doubt you can go too far that way. The bleachers are right by the drawbridge in the center and offer a good view.
And please, don't forget sunscreen and bug spray if you're out on the causeway. It's a wide open space with hardly any shelter, and avoiding getting extremely sunburnt is a lesson I've learned the hard way out at KSC during day launches. :P
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And please, don't forget sunscreen and bug spray if you're out on the causeway. It's a wide open space with hardly any shelter, and avoiding getting extremely sunburnt is a lesson I've learned the hard way out at KSC during day launches. :P
I'm currently packing at the moment, so a big thanks for that one! :)
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Has anyone any experience of seeing the SRB's being towed in at Port Canaveral? Can you see anything? Is it worth seeing?
Best place to see the SRB's is at the Canaveral lock. The hard part is knowing when they'll be coming through but it's definitely worth seeing.
Watch the live threads starting on Flight Day 2 or so for news on the arrival of the SRBs. And the briefings of course, as someone usually asks.
Also search the live threads of previous missions, as some here have posted pictures and more details about how to see them.
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One question from someone flying in out of town with two young kids and an old man (me)....we're arriving MCO late Thursday night (11pm). We'd like to find a 24hr Walmart/Target/Kmart/whatever that would be open somewhere between MCO and Disneyworld where we can stop and by some of the (permitted) folding chairs and an umbrella. Anything at all is fine, it just has to be open late at night -- midnightish.
And one related question --> I'm driving to KSC. Can I leave my junk in the car for the 3-4 hours prior to the Bus ride to the causeway? or do I have to lug it around with me?
Mixologist07 -- Thank you for your response to my question related to this point (below). Here's some info on what you asked:...
3) There are no viewing areas with reliable shade on the causeway. If you want to be at the best site on the east side of the causeway, then you want to be on the first or second bus. That takes you directly to an area with a countdown clock and bleacher seating. There's only room on that section for one or two busses, plus you have the advantage of being early in line for a LTT replacement ticket voucher if there's a scrub. If shade is a concern, bring an umbrella.
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http://www.walmart.com/storeLocator/ca_storefinder_details_short.do?edit_object_id=3782&sfsearch_zip=&sfsearch_city=Orlando&sfsearch_state=FL
sorry - can't get the hyperlink button above to work.
try this Walmart above - my son and I stopped there after we left MCO for the launch of STS 127. Got a couple of folding chairs (that we gave to our bus driver after the successful launch) for about $10 each and picked up some water and other stuff.
If you can't get the link to work it is at 5991 New Goldenrod Rd, Orlando 32822. You can get there from the store locator at Walmart's website.
the listing doesn't give store hours, just pharmacy and store to store hours. You may want to call to confirm it is 24 hours. There is a New Goldenrod Rd exit off 528. Have some quarters with you to pay the toll - I recall it is an unmanned toll booth so you can't get change and you can't use paper money - at least that I saw - a local may have better knowledge.
Enjoy and good luck for a no scrub launch.
Oops just reread your post and you were looking for a Walmart between MCO and Disney - this is for a Walmart between MCO and KSC - did hte work - figure I will leave it up here for anyone else who needs it.
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One question from someone flying in out of town with two young kids and an old man (me)....we're arriving MCO late Thursday night (11pm). We'd like to find a 24hr Walmart/Target/Kmart/whatever that would be open somewhere between MCO and Disneyworld where we can stop and by some of the (permitted) folding chairs and an umbrella. Anything at all is fine, it just has to be open late at night -- midnightish.
I'm not a local, but I saw this on a Disney forum. It's a 24-hr Walmart near Disney World. The address is 1471 East Osceola Parkway, Kissimmee (407) 870-2277. You might want to verify the hours before you go.
HTH.
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One question from someone flying in out of town with two young kids and an old man (me)....we're arriving MCO late Thursday night (11pm). We'd like to find a 24hr Walmart/Target/Kmart/whatever that would be open somewhere between MCO and Disneyworld where we can stop and by some of the (permitted) folding chairs and an umbrella. Anything at all is fine, it just has to be open late at night -- midnightish.
And one related question --> I'm driving to KSC. Can I leave my junk in the car for the 3-4 hours prior to the Bus ride to the causeway? or do I have to lug it around with me?
Mixologist07 -- Thank you for your response to my question related to this point (below). Here's some info on what you asked:...
3) There are no viewing areas with reliable shade on the causeway. If you want to be at the best site on the east side of the causeway, then you want to be on the first or second bus. That takes you directly to an area with a countdown clock and bleacher seating. There's only room on that section for one or two busses, plus you have the advantage of being early in line for a LTT replacement ticket voucher if there's a scrub. If shade is a concern, bring an umbrella.
I go to this one http://www.walmart.com/storeLocator/ca_storefinder_details_short.do?edit_object_id=4332&sfsearch_zip=&sfsearch_city=orlando&sfsearch_state=FL . It 1 exit in the wrong direction on I4 for you if you come off of of 528 but really easy to double back. If you turn right out of the car park that road takes you virtually to Disney main gate. All by 1 block. Follow the road until you
can see the Orlando Ale House over the intersection at 435 and turn left. Disney maingate is then on your right after the Medical Center.
Regards
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Hello everyone,
My family and I are headed to KSC to watch our first launch and I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good spot to take a photo of the shuttle once the RSS is rolled back and the xenons are lit up on Thursday evening / night.
I'd assume a decent picture could be taken from Titusville (with a 300mm lens), but I believe the RSS and tower are between you and the stack.
Does anyone have any other spots that they would recommend for a night time photo? We'll be out on the causeway on Friday, so we'll be able to get our daytime shots then.
Thanks!
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You can see the VAB fairly easy, but it is a little harder to see much more than the lights from the pad structure. Even with the RSS retracted the angle is not right for it but you can see both pads
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Hello everyone,
My family and I are headed to KSC to watch our first launch and I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good spot to take a photo of the shuttle once the RSS is rolled back and the xenons are lit up on Thursday evening / night.
I'd assume a decent picture could be taken from Titusville (with a 300mm lens), but I believe the RSS and tower are between you and the stack.
Does anyone have any other spots that they would recommend for a night time photo? We'll be out on the causeway on Friday, so we'll be able to get our daytime shots then.
Thanks!
It is over 13 miles from the pad, but Rt401 north of 528 next to port Canaveral gives a view of the stack.
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In one of these threads, someone posted a link to an older thread that listed restaurants in the area, e.g. Titusville. Can someone repost that? I had been leaving the browser window up so I could make a note of it but I've checked all of my computers and it seems to have disappeared.
Edit: thanks AnalogMan!
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In one of these threads, someone posted a link to an older thread that listed restaurants in the area, e.g. Titusville. Can someone repost that?
Launch Viewing and local advice for the Cocoa Beach/Rockledge/Titusville
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=18970.0 (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=18970.0)
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Thanks astrobrian and kermit!
I think we'll first go to the spot you've shown in your image kermit, that looks like a pretty good spot. We still should be able to get some good shots from 13mi assuming the atmosphere is fairly still.
Thanks again to both of you for your help! Here's hoping to good weather on Friday!
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Thanks astrobrian and kermit!
I think we'll first go to the spot you've shown in your image kermit, that looks like a pretty good spot. We still should be able to get some good shots from 13mi assuming the atmosphere is fairly still.
Thanks again to both of you for your help! Here's hoping to good weather on Friday!
When you take the Canaveral AFS exit off 528 and go north you cross over the canaveral canal with the locks off to the left. That is where the booster recovery (Liberty Star and Freedom Star) ships pass through, about 24 hours before launch, heading for the recovery area. The Pegasus barge also uses this canal to deliver the external tanks.
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Thanks astrobrian and kermit!
I think we'll first go to the spot you've shown in your image kermit, that looks like a pretty good spot. We still should be able to get some good shots from 13mi assuming the atmosphere is fairly still.
Thanks again to both of you for your help! Here's hoping to good weather on Friday!
When you take the Canaveral AFS exit off 528 and go north you cross over the canaveral canal with the locks off to the left. That is where the booster recovery (Liberty Star and Freedom Star) ships pass through, about 24 hours before launch, heading for the recovery area. The Pegasus barge also uses this canal to deliver the external tanks.
Google maps actually has a tank being towed by KARS park as well :)
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one last question... I'm driving to KSC. Can I leave my junk in the car for the 3-4 hours prior to the Bus ride to the causeway? or do I have to lug it around with me?
(Thanks Himom and Yorky10 for your prior answer!)
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one last question... I'm driving to KSC. Can I leave my junk in the car for the 3-4 hours prior to the Bus ride to the causeway? or do I have to lug it around with me?
(Thanks Himom and Yorky10 for your prior answer!)
I'm assuming you mean you things you will be taking to the viewing site?? You can leave them in the car but you will need to go through security again to go get them which could cause you delays which I wouldn't risk.
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I plan on coming to view this launch, this will be the first one I came to see since I was a kid with sts-91, where's the best spot to come and view it for free?
The other week I was at the Haulover canal area and on the south east side of the area I found a few hard to access spots that had a decent view of both pads. Not sure if that area is off limits during a launch or not.
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the part of the road just south by couple hundred feet of haulover bridge is closed for launch
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I see this probably getting deleted right away, because it violates just about every tenet of online etiquette ever. But I have to try. Apologies.
There has to be someone here who live around the Cape Canaveral area.
Me and my traveling companion from Iowa (I'm from Nashville, TN) have procured tickets for the STS-132 launch this Friday, May 14th at the Kennedy Space Center. However! We failed to realize that it's impossible to get into the base without a vehicle placard, which is most unfortunate, because we don't have one.
So...are there any peeps going to see the shuttle launch who might be able to provide a ride? We can be anywhere around the city that you like. We have the tickets, we just don't have a vehicle placard. I will bake you a cake in the shape of the shuttle if you want. We're just /really/ trying to go see the shuttle launch. Message or reply. You will have my eternal love!
Again, I apologize, I normally wouldn't go the forum posting route. I'm just about out of any other options, and this is my last chance to see a shuttle launch. (I'll be busy during the last few.) Flame me if you like, I'll have my asbestos suit on.
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I have a hotel reservation in Melbourne for Friday and Saturday night. It was the closest I could get to Cocoa Beach that wasn't a fleabag hotel. I checked what was available today...just for fun. And found a few hotels have opened up and are available.
I had refundable reservations. So I cancelled my reservation in Melbourne, and now have a room on the Beach at Cocoa Beach...Yay!
-Beef5stew
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I plan on coming to view this launch, this will be the first one I came to see since I was a kid with sts-91, where's the best spot to come and view it for free?
The other week I was at the Haulover canal area and on the south east side of the area I found a few hard to access spots that had a decent view of both pads. Not sure if that area is off limits during a launch or not.
Anyone got some ideas? I need to know by tomorrow after noon.
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wow....good luck to you. Im confused though: tickets to the launch dont include access the the area you are ticketed for?
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I can't make the Friday launch, but I'm crossing my fingers for a 24-hour turnaround and I'll be making the trek from TN with family overnight to get to Titusville or Daytona area (sorry to anyone fixed on Friday :) ).
If there is a Saturday afternoon launch, does anyone have an approximate launch time (I can't find it on NASA site or here).
Thanks.
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Launch windows and a whole lotta other stuff on Bill Harwood's site.
http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/currentglance.html
I have it bookmarked.
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Thank you sir! Bookmarked!
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Yeah, we got them on eBay while we had a ride lined up, but now that ride has fallen through. Blast it!
So we have tickets, but no way to get onto the base. It's most distressing, we are trying everything to find a ride.
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So if you are at the Visitor Center for the launch. Where is the best place to be to get the best view from the VC. Thanks!
Ben
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Anyone got some ideas? I need to know by tomorrow after noon.
people here and the KSC tour operator said to essentially park at JCPenney ( on US1 just south of downtown Titusville) and walk across the street.
Also, apparently there is a parking scam where people will park your car behind a taped off area for a fee. So be careful.
Expect a LONG delay getting home though.
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I plan on coming to view this launch, this will be the first one I came to see since I was a kid with sts-91, where's the best spot to come and view it for free?
On this website this guy documented it pretty well:
Space Shuttle Launch Viewing Recommendations (http://%20http://launchviewing.tumblr.com/)
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I go by Ben Cooper:
http://www.launchphotography.com/Shuttle_Launch_Viewing.html
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Yeah, pretty much anywhere in Titusville is good. Drive along the river on US1...find someplace that you can see the pad. There's quite a few places.
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We have KSC visitor's center tickets (6) available with car tags (2). Is anyone interested? Cost is $60 each, obo
email before 8pm EST Thursday 5/13 -- can be picked up in Cape Canaveral Thursday evening ~ 9pm
Cash Only
[email protected]
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Quick question:
So I've got a Dolphin Tours package. My current plan is to come back on Saturday via my own transportation to the KSCVC to actually take advantage of the second day of admission. Can I drive myself to VC on Saturday, or do I need to get a parking pass somehow (I assume the Dolphin package doesn't include that)?
Also, I'm guessing I'm not going to be able to do any of the extra tours?
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If the launch is not scrubbed on frday, all visitors center activities are available, and driving a personal car not a problem...It is best to book tours in advance as they do sell out on weekends.
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Flight leaves in 1 hour 49 minutes. Be there soon!
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I also will have a spare KSC VC launch viewing ticket and vehicle placard available. PM me if you're interested. I will be at the Dixieroads dinner tonight at 7pm.
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Any NSF members at the Tweetup?
Let's hope this weather holds up for tomorrow!
-MF
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Hola!
Long time lurker and first time poster. STS-132 will be my 3rd launch and I cannot wait!!!
Quite a few of my wife's relatives live in and around the Merritt Island area and we just got a call stating that they have a VIP Placard for their car in hand. Can anyone elborate where we will be seeing this launch from? I was thinking it will be either by the countdown clock or the Saturn V Center but wasn't sure.
Even if its at the causeway I really dont care, this will be my closest viewing spot yet!
Thanks!
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Sry about the post above. Doing this on my iPhone.
Just got our placard and we will be at the Saturn v center with the astronaunt families. I'm not sure how my contact pulled this off but we are stoked. The NASA employee will be in the car with us though.
Will anyone else from here be in that area??
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Sry about the post above. Doing this on my iPhone.
Just got our placard and we will be at the Saturn v center with the astronaunt families. I'm not sure how my contact pulled this off but we are stoked. The NASA employee will be in the car with us though.
Will anyone else from here be in that area??
depends. do you have any extra room in your trunk? :P
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I go by Ben Cooper:
http://www.launchphotography.com/Shuttle_Launch_Viewing.html
Excellent resource; thanks!
Can't wait till tomorrow!
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Will there be a wait list for trunk?? sign me up you should get ready to rumble
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Well we do have a suv that seats 8.... :)
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Well we do have a suv that seats 8.... :)
(http://l.yimg.com/eb/ymv/us/img/hv/photo/movie_pix/dreamworks_skg/shrek_2/pussbigeyes.jpg)
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I'm going to the launch! First time in a long time, and I'm bringing my family with me. Here are my plans, I have some questions, and would appreciate any answers.
Option #1: Go to Port Canaveral and park off the side of 401 a couple hours before launch and watch from there.
Option #2: Take 528 east and turn North on US 1, follow Indian river and get as close to Titusville as possible, stopping before the traffic/parking gets too much.
I would also like to go to KSCVC (I don't have launch day tickets), since I don't have time to go back next day, it has to be launch day. I called the VC and they said that normal hours and admission polices take effect after the launch, open till six, we'd have about 3 hours to visit.
Has anyone ever tried this? Is it crazy to try? Is the traffic too bad? Three hours doesn't sound like much, but my 4-year old son can't sit through Imax shows and bus tours anyway, although I would like to go to the Saturn V center.
Option #1 might mean less traffic going towards the VC if I take RT 3 up Merritt island, the VC said the roadblock there is removed soon after launch, but how soon? Has anyone tried that either?
Thanks
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Arrived in Orlando this afternoon at about 4, just got done eating and now heading to bed since we have to get up around 4:30 tomorrow. Hope everyone arrives safely and we all get to see a good show tomorrow as scheduled.
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the scene at space view park in titusville is a slumber party of tripods. i have to get through my lenses and get my night shots and get back on the road; the bed with my name on it is behind me in orlando.
go atlantis!
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Excellent meeting some of you at dinner tonight... I appologize for not knowing who was all there but dinner was great tonight!
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Well it's too bad we didn't get any special guests, but it was great meeting so many of you and Chris G said is was probably the second largest turnout.
The word is a get together for the tweet-ups (and any from NSF) to meet at FishLips in Port Canaveral at 6:30pm tonight. See you there!
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I must say that was a most spectacular launch!!
My heartfelt thanks to each and every person who made her launch possible for us. Memorable beyond belief.
THANK YOU
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STS-132 Post-Launch News Conference
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5952
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I must say that was a most spectacular launch!!
My heartfelt thanks to each and every person who made her launch possible for us. Memorable beyond belief.
THANK YOU
Where did you watch it from?
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Hi Guys
Well what a beautiful launch that was today - my first one..
Great to see in person and after coming such a long way (Melbourne Australia) I can say it was well worth the effort (and cost) in getting here.
But I had a bit of an issue with my photography skills out on the Causeway today - i had the camera all setup on the tripod ready to go along with my nice new HD video camera ready in hand to capture the event, but in my excitement just at launch I bumped the tripod, quickly tried to reposition it but couldn't and didn't want to miss any of the launch, so I pressed record on the camcorder instead to get the video - but much to my dismay upon checking video when back in the bus but I hadn't hit record! :o
So I dont have any snaps or video of the launch - I got a few shots about 2mins in but that's it!
My family and friends back home are going to give me hell!!
Could any of you who were on the causeway today email me a couple of shots of the first 30 sec's or so of the launch??
Would really appreciate it - the higher the resolution the better even if you have to send a few emails.. My Email address is below my sig.
Also where might I find a HD video of today's launch (hopefully from the causeway)?
Many Tks and hope you all had a great day also...
Frosty
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I must say that was a most spectacular launch!!
My heartfelt thanks to each and every person who made her launch possible for us. Memorable beyond belief.
THANK YOU
Where did you watch it from?
causeway, w/ gator tours
also met frostywinter along the way, and Alexw
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Hi Guys
Well what a beautiful launch that was today - my first one..
Great to see in person and after coming such a long way (Melbourne Australia) I can say it was well worth the effort (and cost) in getting here.
But I had a bit of an issue with my photography skills out on the Causeway today - i had the camera all setup on the tripod ready to go along with my nice new HD video camera ready in hand to capture the event, but in my excitement just at launch I bumped the tripod, quickly tried to reposition it but couldn't and didn't want to miss any of the launch, so I pressed record on the camcorder instead to get the video - but much to my dismay upon checking video when back in the bus but I hadn't hit record! :o
So I dont have any snaps or video of the launch - I got a few shots about 2mins in but that's it!
My family and friends back home are going to give me hell!!
Could any of you who were on the causeway today email me a couple of shots of the first 30 sec's or so of the launch??
Would really appreciate it - the higher the resolution the better even if you have to send a few emails.. My Email address is below my sig.
Also where might I find a HD video of today's launch (hopefully from the causeway)?
Many Tks and hope you all had a great day also...
Frosty
[email protected]
Sorry to hear your pics and videos didn't work out. You made the right choice to watch the launch in person, however. Your best bet is to go over to youtube over the coming days and search for "STS132 launch causeway". You'll find plenty of videos and some of them will likely be in high quality.
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Here is an HD one for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESk0mFt_-E4
Double click on it so you can see it in HD on youtube. This isn't my video but one I just found on youtube shot from the Causeway.
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Hi David
Yes it was great in person, thanks for the YouTube HD clips, that's great.
But I would really like some good high res photos, so hopefully someone might email me some.
I wanted to make a DVD of my trip and print some shots out also so the YouTube stuff isn't always som good resolution wise.
I am sure someone will have some from the causeway today :)
Many tks
Frosty
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I'll get some causeway HD video up tonight. I was around the mid-east end, where the second "gap" between the trees was. My videography wasn't the best, but it still looks pretty spectacular.
Might also have some pictures, will see how they turned out.
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Excellent Andrew many tks
That's about were I was also :)
Many tks
Frosty
I'll get some causeway HD video up tonight. I was around the mid-east end, where the second "gap" between the trees was. My videography wasn't the best, but it still looks pretty spectacular.
Might also have some pictures, will see how they turned out.
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Well I have got a few of my photos up. They were taken from the turn basin. Was a beautiful launch!! Enjoy!
http://scriptunasimages.smugmug.com/Galleries/Events/STS-132-Space-Shuttle-Atlantis/
(http://scriptunasimages.smugmug.com/Galleries/Events/STS-132-Space-Shuttle-Atlantis/Atlantisprofile/867041002_Y9bpa-M.jpg)
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Just saw Atlantis low in the northeast from just north of New York City. She came by on time or perhaps a minute after the listed time. Picked it up without optical aid, not enough time to get a view in the telescope. No detail in 8x25 binoculars (not surprisingly). The sky was pretty bright, no stars except for Mars overhead, so it would not have been obvious unless you knew where to look.
ISS scheduled to pass directly overhead about 912pm EDT (35 minutes after Atlantis).
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I was midpoint on the east causeway too...Sure was a beautiful launch, and she sure is a good bird!!!!
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That was just beyond words. Wow. Dolphin tours pretty much seems to have things figured out for this. Was pretty easy all the way through.
Have two or three questions though.
1. When we got off the bus as KSC VC, they gave us a green ticket and a blue ticket. We used the blue ticket to enter the VC, but we kept the blue ticket. Can we use this for a second day of entry to the VC? I totally forgot to ask our guide about this today. Dolphin's website is not clear at all on if their VIP package includes a non-launch day admission to the VC.
2. What day should the spent boosters be coming in?
3. Will the observation gantry be open for bus tours on Saturday? I overheard someone saying that it is closed 24 hours before and after a launch. Not sure how accurate that is.
also, is the Clarion internet horrible for anyone else?
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1. Yes, it's good within 7 days.
2. Hopefully we find out soon. I want to go see them too.
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Yes,,blue ticket good for tomorrow and SRBs probably returned on Sunday,,,,,Port Canaveral,,,,Not sure about viewing tower,,,,and don't forget to stop at Astronaut Hall of Fame,,,lots of historical artifacts there
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Here is an HD one for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESk0mFt_-E4
Double click on it so you can see it in HD on youtube. This isn't my video but one I just found on youtube shot from the Causeway.
David-- Were you there? Wish I had planned to go, though passes were hard to come by.
The causeway view is great. Saw 117 from there. That was Atlantis also. The last of 3 times I saw her fly.
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Just got back, the traffic back was horrid. Next time, getting a hotel! Could see more in the telescope, but my T-adaptor broke this morning, so only had wide-shots.
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Just got back in a few minutes ago from watching Atlantis go over Indianpolis area. Very bright, had a little over a minute. Just amazing every time I watch, see how fast it is going and realize there are people in there.
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Just got home from the launch.
I wish I took pictures but I was too busy watching, cheering, and crying as she climbed.
The Administrator is right. Even if it is your 4th launch just watch it. NASA and CNN will have it youtubed.
It was the best live one I ever saw.
It was spectacular, amazing, and you feel so damn good. People just start cheering, hooting, and hollaring.
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That was awesome. We took Dolphin Tours and had causeway tickets. I was a bit disappointed that we were on the far end of the causeway, but the view was still fantastic, and the weather was ideal. Not bad for my first launch, so NO COMPLAINTS about anything. I wanted first and foremost to see it go up on Friday, and I was not disappointed. Here are a few shots.
I also had some camera problems, was all set to go on high speed burst mode on my camera, I had turned it off until 2 minutes before launch and forgot to re-activate burst so I only got a few shots at liftoff when I wanted a ton so I would have better chances of a real good shot. I did get lucky at SRB separation however as you will see below, all chance as I was zooming in and it cleared up just in time for me.
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Just saw Atlantis flying overhead! She was very bright (mag -1?) as she flew over our backyard.
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This was our 2nd launch, and some friends 1st. We watched from Titusville because we couldn't get NASA causeway tickets. It was really FANTASTIC from Titusville too. Had to be better from the causeway, but, it was really GREAT from Titusville. I think I could have seen every one and I would still not be tired of them.
I think the best part is when the shock wave and sound slams into you! It was just AWESOME. Did not really PLAN to attend the launch, just so happened that this was the last day of our vacation! So, we had no choice but to take in the launch. We could not come all the way to Florida from St. Louis, MO and NOT come to one of the LAST shuttle launches in HISTORY! Not when we were RIGHT here!
This place is just great!
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When will the SRBs return to Port Canaveral and is Jetty Park the best place to watch them come in?
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Here's my video from the causeway:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8viPv-0AX54
http://www.filefront.com/16451811/STS-132%20H264.mp4
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Here's my video from the causeway (Youtube to follow):
http://www.filefront.com/16451811/STS-132%20H264.mp4
Great video! Really enjoyed it!
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Here's my video from the causeway:
That's great - close to my own position. I decided myself not filming
and only enjoy the moment. So it's fantastic to have this video.
Thanks a lot
Marco
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For those wondering about the SRBs, LeRoy Cain said in today's post-MMT briefing:
"Plan is to do slip operations on Monday. Open assessment on Tuesday."
So on Monday sometime, they'll come past Jetty Park and through the Canaveral locks. I don't know what time. I wonder if they have to come through in daylight -- could easily check previous viewing threads for that, although instead I think I'll go out for a run on the beach :)
I'm also trying to dig up the radio frequency(ies) for the ships, for those of you with scanners. Here's some links so far:
http://www.milaircomms.com/uhf_ksc.html
http://www.textfiles.com/science/shuttle.fre
http://www.pablin.com.ar/electron/info/varios/nasafreq.htm
http://members.optusnet.com.au/extremescan/general/nasa.html
If one of you all has a scanner, let us know what you find so we can document it here. I'm leaving Sunday noon-ish, so that'll be it for me. Good luck!
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A group of my coworkers attempted to view the ISS and Shuttle passing sort of overhead (http://www.heavens-above.com/PassSummary.aspx?satid=25544&lat=44.662&lng=-111.103&loc=West+Yellowstone&alt=2046&tz=MST) half an hour ago from Old Faithful. We couldn't see anything. Has the orbit for the ISS changed recently?
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For those wondering about the SRBs, LeRoy Cain said in today's post-MMT briefing:
"Plan is to do slip operations on Monday. Open assessment on Tuesday."
So on Monday sometime, they'll come past Jetty Park and through the Canaveral locks. I don't know what time. I wonder if they have to come through in daylight -- could easily check previous viewing threads for that, although instead I think I'll go out for a run on the beach :)
Very likely the ships will come through early. Twice that I've gone down the first ship was through around 6am, 2nd around 8am - my guess is that they will arrive in Port Canavaral sometime late Sunday, and go through the locks at first light - with about a 2 hour separation between ships. I beleive they can go through the locks anytime, day or night, but they would want the docking operations done during the daylight I'm sure.
Also these links were originally posted by someone else the last flight, sorry I couldn't find the post to give the original poster credit:
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=338991000
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=338990000
Tracking of Freedom Star with the tank was fairly accurate, though they don't always show a current tracking if not near land.
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My wife and I were fortunate enough to get congressional tickets to see the STS-132 launch. We did indeed enjoy the company of the other NSFers at the dinner outing that Chris arranged for us. As a matter of fact Rob Ross was at the table with my wife and I.
We arrived at the Sears parking lot on Merritt Island at around 10:00, where the buses were lined up for us. Traffic coming out of Orlando was pretty rotten, and thankfully we were able to take Highway 520, which was empty, to our destination on the south side of Merritt Island, or we might not have made it in time.
Worryingly, our bus did not get underway until 10:45, but for some reason they did not bring us by the Visitor's Complex to send us through metal detectors or bag checks. I actually brought a ridiculous amount of camera equipment in 3 different bags (my Rebel for stills, a Canon 7D for video, two tripods, a Sigma 80-400mm lens, and goliath Canon 500mm f/4L lens).
As a surprise treat for us, astronaut Janice Voss came onto our bus while we were waiting and talked to all of us. We were all tickled to have her speak and she took a few questions from us before she moved on to the next bus. My wife and I thought that was very sweet of them.
We arrived at the causeway long after most everyone else had already arrived and staked out positions along the causeway. I was dismayed since the only places left that I could place my cameras was in the back toward the road. Fortunately, this did not prove to be a problem, since the shallow rise up to the road still placed my cameras a few feet above everyone's heads as long as they weren't standing within 20 feet right in front of me.
All of that is to say that we had no real advantage over the paying ticket-holders. We had to stake out our spot in the same area and with the same limitations as the paying ticket-holders.
I had lots and lots of folks come by wanting to see through my viewfinder on the Rebel, which was attached to the very conspicuous 500mm lens. I was happy to oblige.
I note that it took me nearly two hours to set up both cameras and dial them in, leaving only 10 minutes until launch time. I had borrowed my father's 7D and had never taken any serious video footage before. This was attached to the 80-400mm Sigma lens on a fluid-filled pan-tilt head I had purchased for my Manfrotto tripod. The Rebel was attached to a ball head on a carbon fiber tripod with a ball head with the 500mm lens and remained fixed for the whole launch. I used a wireless shutter release so that I could view the launch with my eyes.
I pre-focused and pre-metered both cameras ahead of time before the launch, and then turned both lenses to manual focus so that the autofocus functions would not get confused trying to lock onto the shuttle. I also turned the exposure settings to manual for the same reason.
I turned on the video on the 7D about a minute before launch, and viewed the shuttle through the Rebel at T-minus 7 seconds so that I could see the shuttle main engines turn on. I took a number of shots as the exhaust cloud grew and covered the shuttle. At that point I backed away from the camera and viewed the shuttle directly. I also stopped taking pictures for a few seconds since the shuttle stack was entirely obscured by the exhaust cloud. This gave the buffer in the camera some time to catch up. When I saw the shuttle poke out of the cloud of its own exhaust, I mashed down on the shutter release again. It fired continuously until I knew the shuttle was out-of-frame.
Since I was trying to view the shuttle with my own eyes, rather than through a viewfinder, I blindly zoomed out the lens on the 7D and tilted the camera up when I sensed it was out of frame. This actually ended up being fairly effective, if not particularly professional. But I can say I have no regrets and did enjoy the experience thoroughly.
It is interesting to note that my wife and I were expecting the launch to be louder than it was. I have been to an Atlas V launch, as well as 3 Delta II launches (some with the full compliment of 9 SRBs) at a distance of about 5 miles, and the shuttle was about as loud as those experiences, perhaps only a little louder. Other folks on the causeway who were veterans of shuttle launches also remarked that the sound was far less than they had experienced in the past from the causeway. One person even said that they had experienced a louder launch from Titusville! One NASA employee we talked to afterward, who viewed the launch from the Saturn V center/Banana Creek VIP area also told us that it was quieter than usual. I do wonder what could account for that. Wind conditions? An improvement to the water sound suppression system?
We got back aboard our bus and departed for the Sears parking lot. It took 2 hours to get there because of the traffic. My wife and I did not particularly mind since we were tired, and took a nap on the mercifully air-conditioned bus. We ate at the mall, burning time by drinking adult beverages, waiting for the traffic to die down. We departed at 7 p.m., and even then it took 1.5 hours to get back to our hotel near Disney World in Orlando (Kissimmee), due to significant slowdowns on Highway 528 before the airport.
I'll attach pictures on the following post.
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These are all unprocessed images straight out of my Canon Rebel Xsi. No cropping or white balance and color correction. Since I'm still in Florida I won't have the ability to clean up the full-resolution raw files until I get home to California, but I'm still pleased even with these low-resolution, uncorrected jpegs. These are all taken with a Canon 500mm f/4L lens I rented.
You will notice that there is still quite a bit of haze and distortion from convective heat rising up in the 6.5-7 miles of air in between me and the shuttle. This is why I considered it foolish to use any teleconverters or longer focal length lenses than the 500mm since any shot tighter than what I have here would just produce blurry, hazy close-ups of the shuttle. On a crop camera 500mm is fine from the causeway. I could have rented an 800mm and slapped a 2x teleconverter on, but I chose not to (although I did see some folks with 800mm lenses on the causeway!).
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Two more photos.
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It is interesting to note that my wife and I were expecting the launch to be louder than it was. I have been to an Atlas V launch, as well as 3 Delta II launches (some with the full compliment of 9 SRBs) at a distance of about 5 miles, and the shuttle was about as loud as those experiences, perhaps only a little louder. Other folks on the causeway who were veterans of shuttle launches also remarked that the sound was far less than they had experienced in the past from the causeway. One person even said that they had experienced a louder launch from Titusville! One NASA employee we talked to afterward, who viewed the launch from the Saturn V center/Banana Creek VIP area also told us that it was quieter than usual. I do wonder what could account for that. Wind conditions? An improvement to the water sound suppression system?
this observation ... makes me feel a LOT better about my launch experience.
my first launch was STS-128 (night), followed by STS-129 (76º under the lovely shade of one of those big tents), STS-130 (night) and STS-131 (night). i ... had no idea how spoiled i'd been.
i ran really late friday morning and our bus arrived so far east on the causeway i was well past all of the tents, so this was my first launch experience under the florida sun on a hot day. it was pretty brutal.
but the sound, that REALLY bothered me. the roar of the engines at a launch is one of the things that really propelled this obsession ("the Bottom," penn gillette once called it, "the loudest good thing you will ever hear"), and as i've gained more and more experience, there's been a gradual dilution of the impact of the experience. inevitable, i suppose -- and my pictures have gotten better as i've been able to concentrate more on things like zooming out as the orbiter leaves the pad behind -- but i was really hoping the "last launch" factor would leave me more overwhelmed.
my "workflow", if you can call it that, has consisted of taking pictures with my camera on the tripod as the launch starts, (watching it with my eyes instead of through the viewfinder ;D ), taking my hands off of the camera entirely as the sound rolls in and just enjoying the Bottom, and then pulling the camera off of the tripod and watching the SRB sep through the telephoto lens.
friday afternoon, the sound rolling in seemed downright ... cursory. "phoned it in" is the expression used in the performing arts when an actor is distracted and not giving a performance their all. somehow, the engine noise seemed like they were phoning it in.
and it never occurred to me that the engine noise itself could actually be noticeably quieter than the earlier launches i'd seen. i just assumed my emotional detachment had reached an all-time high (which may very well have also been happening).
the "oh good, it wasn't just me" factor is tremendously reassuring to hear, so, thanks for that. :)
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Interesting notes on the sound...I only saw one causeway video, but the sound was noticeably quieter than compared to my expectation from mostly Pad B launches. Those were 10 years ago, but I do remember hearing more than once that the sound can be quite different from one launch to the next.
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For those wondering about the SRBs, LeRoy Cain said in today's post-MMT briefing:
"Plan is to do slip operations on Monday. Open assessment on Tuesday."
So on Monday sometime, they'll come past Jetty Park and through the Canaveral locks. I don't know what time. I wonder if they have to come through in daylight -- could easily check previous viewing threads for that, although instead I think I'll go out for a run on the beach :)
Very likely the ships will come through early. Twice that I've gone down the first ship was through around 6am, 2nd around 8am - my guess is that they will arrive in Port Canavaral sometime late Sunday, and go through the locks at first light - with about a 2 hour separation between ships. I beleive they can go through the locks anytime, day or night, but they would want the docking operations done during the daylight I'm sure.
Also these links were originally posted by someone else the last flight, sorry I couldn't find the post to give the original poster credit:
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=338991000
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=338990000
Tracking of Freedom Star with the tank was fairly accurate, though they don't always show a current tracking if not near land.
Looks like they are estimated in Port Canaveral 4:00 and 5:00 today. Is there any good location at the port to view them tonite? Have to get going back to Michigan tomorrow morning.
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A group of my coworkers attempted to view the ISS and Shuttle passing sort of overhead (http://www.heavens-above.com/PassSummary.aspx?satid=25544&lat=44.662&lng=-111.103&loc=West+Yellowstone&alt=2046&tz=MST) half an hour ago from Old Faithful. We couldn't see anything. Has the orbit for the ISS changed recently?
I saw the ISS and Atlantis last night fly over SE Wisconsin. The ISS pass over me was about 3 minutes behind the time listed on Heavens-Above or NASA's website.
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Interesting notes on the sound...I only saw one causeway video, but the sound was noticeably quieter than compared to my expectation from mostly Pad B launches. Those were 10 years ago, but I do remember hearing more than once that the sound can be quite different from one launch to the next.
So are people saying I should prepare to see another just to evaluate the difference? ;) It's probably going to happen, I'm hooked
It was really windy, and the cloud headed strait towards Titusville, so that's the most likely explanation.
It was still awesome, no matter what. :)
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the sound at the press site was certainly less intense than normal. lots of rumble, not as much ground vibration, and it dissipated very quickly. i'm curious if banana creek got the brunt of the sound, as that's the direction the wind seemed to be going.
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QUOTE..."It was really windy, and the cloud headed strait towards Titusville, so that's the most likely explanation".
I noticed on a few of the videos taken of "132" from Titusville that the sound was loud and lasted a bit longer than usual.
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Talked to the guy running the locks. Real nice guy, but he said that there is really no indication right now of when the SRBs will come in. He did say that if I came back this afternoon/evening I might be able to see them, but they do not tell the lock operator ahead of time that they are coming in.
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Links above now getting a good track.
Liberty Star showing ETA 17:00 UTC
Freedom Star showing the same ETA
Liberty being about 3 hours away if I'm reading right?
Seeing as it's past 18:00 UTC... ETA is off, but the map does update positon pretty well it seems. Guess we will head out there in a few hours and see what we can see!
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First srb in view at jetty park. Freedom of the Seas cruise ship is on its way out but should clear channel before srb comes in.
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At the park now. Wow what a big cruise ship! Another behind it on the way out. Can't get the name yet.
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Heading up there now -should be there in an hour. I'd assume I'd still see them?
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If not the first one, the second one.
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Liberty past us. Heading out now. No sign of freedom yet. Last I saw it was about 30 behind.
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Is Liberty in the inlet then?
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Is Liberty in the inlet then?
Yes
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?oldmmsi=338990000&zoom=10&olddate=5/16/2010%209:44:22%20PM
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I was able to use this webcam just a few minutes ago and turn it to the left, just in time to see an SRB being towed through;
http://www.cocoabeachsurf.com/BeachCam1.htm
Didn't work too well, but at least I saw it! Now if I could only see it in person.
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Liberty appears to be parked well before lock. Might be waiting until am to continue?
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Thanks for the great links to marinetraffic! Those were very useful in timing as to when to leave here.
Hope you made it Andrew!
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A couple more...don't want to clog the thread.
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Didn't catch them coming past Jetty Park but was able to see them parked for the night. Was pretty cool.
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Didn't catch them coming past Jetty Park but was able to see them parked for the night. Was pretty cool.
Darn, I just missed them! :(
I'll try and wake up REALLY early
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Just saw the ISS go directly overhead in the bright twilight about 8:27pm Eastern Daylight Time, where I live just north of New York City. In 8x25 image stabilized binoculars, the ISS had a definite structure like three crossbars on a tree. It was right on time.
Even if you don't have an overflight tonight, the thin moon near Venus after sunset is a wonderful sight in itself !
bob
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Didn't catch them coming past Jetty Park but was able to see them parked for the night. Was pretty cool.
Darn, I just missed them! :(
I'll try and wake up REALLY early
They're parked in the second basin in the canal - if you go to the area across from there (I stopped at the end of Flounder Street) you can see them across the canal. Not sure if they'd be visible in the dark.
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Freedom Star and Liberty Star docked for the night. Lighting wasn't the best for the camera and I didn't have my good one with me...looked a lot better in person.
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Freedom Star and Liberty Star docked for the night. Lighting wasn't the best for the camera and I didn't have my good one with me...looked a lot better in person.
I am heading down at 6am, sunrise is 6:32 so hope to see them go through
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I'm on my wsy there now. Hope to see some more new faces :)
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Did anyone happen to have a radio scanner to listen in on chatter? What frequency(ies)?
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Finally got around to looking at my pictures from the launch. Didn't have a great camera or anything, but here's a few of the images. Cropped them in for a better view, if anyone wants to see the originals I can put them up too.
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the sound at the press site was certainly less intense than normal. lots of rumble, not as much ground vibration, and it dissipated very quickly. i'm curious if banana creek got the brunt of the sound, as that's the direction the wind seemed to be going.
There was enough vibration to set off plenty of car alarms in the VAB/LCC parking lot. But it was certainly less than "normal". Wind and temperature really effect the sound. I've been at the Banana Creek site when the sound was less impressive than I've heard at the Causeway. I have 23 other launches to compare 132's to, and I'd give it a B+ on the sound quality. At least from the LCC area.
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the sound at the press site was certainly less intense than normal. lots of rumble, not as much ground vibration, and it dissipated very quickly. i'm curious if banana creek got the brunt of the sound, as that's the direction the wind seemed to be going.
There was enough vibration to set off plenty of car alarms in the VAB/LCC parking lot. But it was certainly less than "normal". Wind and temperature really effect the sound. I've been at the Banana Creek site when the sound was less impressive than I've heard at the Causeway. I have 23 other launches to compare 132's to, and I'd give it a B+ on the sound quality. At least from the LCC area.
There was also enough vibration to render a truck useless, but that's a story for another day...
While out there (media site) I didn't hear any car alarms but then again I wasn't really paying much attention to that. Would love to share photos but I really didn't try taking any as I wanted to watch her with my own eyes one last time.
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Excellent launch, the first one I viewed in person since STS-91 when I was about 8 years old.
Got to the Sears parking lot 90 min. before launch and walked a few minutes to the Indian River. Much less of a wait than I was expecting!
See my photos here:
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978241752 (http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978241752)
Now my question is about viewing the landing. Is the Max Brewer Bridge closed during the landing? What's the best place to view?
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Would love to share photos but I really didn't try taking any as I wanted to watch her with my own eyes one last time.
Didn't concentrate on photos either. This one was taken with a tiny point and shoot. But I did get some good HD video and a nice 24/96 audio recording.
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Re: sound level from the launch
Did folks at the Causeway or the River sites see fish jump? Check your videos.
For example, you can see a fish jump out of the river in the Canon A40 movie I took for STS-125 from the Causeway - watch the lower left corner about 22 seconds into the movie.
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11982.msg403452#msg403452
No fish jumping at STS-132 could indicate lower sound levels.
PS: thanks for all of your videos from this launch, they brought chills reminding me of watching the STS125 launch!
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Not sure about during the launch...but there were fish jumping all day beforehand.
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NASA Announces Opportunities to See Shuttle and Space Station
Space shuttle Atlantis and the International Space Station are flying together 220 miles overhead until Sunday, May 23. Circling the Earth every 90 minutes, the spacecraft offer unique sighting opportunities for sky gazers around the world.
With the shuttle attached, the station appears even brighter than usual in the morning and evening sky. The station may be seen every day from various locations around the world just prior to sunrise and just after sunset.
There are good sighting opportunities, weather permitting, on Tuesday for Alabama, Kentucky and Tennessee; on Wednesday for California and Texas; and on Thursday for Florida. For information about when the spacecraft will be visible over your city, visit:
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/sightings
Atlantis delivered the Russian-built Mini Research Module-1 to the station, and the mission's three spacewalks focus on storing spare components outside the station, including a communications antenna, parts for the Canadian Dextre robotic arm, and replacing six solar array batteries.
The International Space Station, a unique partnership among the space agencies of the United States, Russia, Japan, Canada and Europe, is celebrating its 10th anniversary of continuous human occupancy this year. Construction began in 1998, and 23 crews have lived aboard the orbiting complex since 2000. Station residents are conducting important science and technology experiments.
For more information about the International Space Station and its crew, visit:
http://www.nasa.gov/station
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MEDIA ADVISORY: M27-11
GOOD SPACE SHUTTLE AND SPACE STATION SIGHTING CHANCES THIS WEEK
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. -- Central Florida will have two good
opportunities May 18, and May 20, to see the International Space
Station with shuttle Atlantis docked to it, weather permitting.
The space station with its six-person Expedition 23 crew and Atlantis
with its six astronauts are orbiting Earth about 220 miles up. The
spacecraft will pass almost directly overhead on Tuesday night and
Thursday night.
On Tuesday, the station and Atlantis will travel for two minutes from
the northwest toward the southeast at 9:16 p.m. EDT.
On Thursday, the spacecraft will travel for three minutes, again from
the northwest toward the southeast at 8:30 p.m.
For sighting opportunities from specific cities in Florida, visit:
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/cities/region.cgi?country=United_States®ion=Florida
For the latest information about the International Space Station, its
crews and scientific research taking place on board, visit:
http://www.nasa.gov/station
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Excellent launch, the first one I viewed in person since STS-91 when I was about 8 years old.
Got to the Sears parking lot 90 min. before launch and walked a few minutes to the Indian River. Much less of a wait than I was expecting!
See my photos here:
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978241752 (http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978241752)
Now my question is about viewing the landing. Is the Max Brewer Bridge closed during the landing? What's the best place to view?
Hey guys, I'd appreciate a reply when you get a chance. I haven't been to a landing before... & couldn't find much info online.
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Now my question is about viewing the landing. Is the Max Brewer Bridge closed during the landing? What's the best place to view?
Hey guys, I'd appreciate a reply when you get a chance. I haven't been to a landing before... & couldn't find much info online.
Most likely it would be closed since they won't know til well into things if runway 15 will be primary. I can tell though based on my having seen STA runs that the clarion hotel is a good spot to watch it come in.
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I'd love to watch a landing too, in person. But since the KSC landing facility is not equipped for that then;
Titusville along the river, or KSC, and hang out at the Saturn V centre? From Saturn V you'll see it come down, but it will land behind the trees and you won't see touchdown. Hear the twin sonic booms too!
There's a bit of info here too, if you scroll down.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/about/view/view_shuttle.html
I recall reading something on this forum a while ago by someone who happened to be at the KSC during a landing at the gantry area and Saturn V area and lucked upon the landing and shuttle being towed back to the OPF.
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Re: sound level from the launch
Did folks at the Causeway or the River sites see fish jump? Check your videos.
For example, you can see a fish jump out of the river in the Canon A40 movie I took for STS-125 from the Causeway - watch the lower left corner about 22 seconds into the movie.
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11982.msg403452#msg403452
No fish jumping at STS-132 could indicate lower sound levels.
PS: thanks for all of your videos from this launch, they brought chills reminding me of watching the STS125 launch!
Thanks for the link!! It was great reading back through the STS-125 thread and reliving the launch.
Amazing to think that this may very well be "it" for Atlantis.... she's screaming "FLY ME AGAIN!!!" this mission for sure.
(BTW, I was right in front of the porta-potties... between the johns and the rope - it was a perfect spot to setup my tripod - nothing but water between me & Atlantis!)
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Wow. Got back last night from the Cape. My lucky family had the amazing opportunity to see the launch as guests of the Administrator. Thursday we had a tour of OPF-3 with OV-103, drive-bys of the SLF and VAB, an SSPF tour, and a night viewing of the pad from the eastern fence! One of our guides was Scott "Scooter" Altman, a really nice guy. Friday we were invited into OSB-2 to hear several speakers including Bob Cabana, Lori Garver, two Russian VIPs, and Altman. Then we enjoyed the launch from the balcony with Tom Stafford, Mike Griffin, Mike Massimino, and Sergei Krikalyov. Oh, and David Letterman. (Sorry for the name-dropping but even more sorry to have forgotten some) Then we had some traditional beans and cornbread.
Our gratitude to the many NASA managers, engineers, technicians, and assistants who guided us through those wonderful experiences.
Will post photos and videos later.
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I saw the ISS with Atlantis docked from here in Tampa. I took a lot of 5 second exposure shots, but saved the best (20sec) shot for last. I put it on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SpaceStation_STS132_Tampa.JPG
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It took me a couple of days to get around to uploading this, but here's my video of the launch from the Vehicle Assembly Building's roof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwRG6ET8xeg
Some photos from the clicking camera you here can be found here:
http://www.collectspace.com/flightdayjournal/sts-132/01a.html
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Sorry for the name-dropping but even more sorry to have forgotten some
Wow, what a cool experience! Please feel free to name drop! Is this the balcony you watched it from?
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Is this the balcony you watched it from?
That's the one. Nice shot you have there - can even make out some faces. Were you near the VAB?
We were on the south end of the balcony. I estimate 300 people were up there. I was the putz yelling "Go, Atlantis!" before the sound hit. Regarding the sound, I also thought it pounded the chest less than my previous launch, STS-79. I blamed it on the wind and the altitude of the balcony. Behind us was a Russian putz talking on his phone during the launch.
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Here is my video from the causeway, taken with a Canon 7D and Sigma 80-400mm lens. Forgive the crappy pan/zoom technique after the initial seconds of launch, I was focused on watching the shuttle with my own eyes, so I only gave a half-hearted attempt to tracking the shuttle with the camera after the first 12 seconds of launch. I'm still pretty happy with the results.
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Does anyone know how I can clean up my previous message? The vimeo embed text doesn't seem to be working right.
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Hey guys!
Back from the launch and it was awesome!!
We ended up having a choice of viewing the launch at the Saturn V center or at the Turn Basin Site. We went to both but decided to stay at the Turn Basin. Man what a view!!!
Here is my wife's attempt at catching it on video. Be sure to adjust the setting to 1080p and watch full screen :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02-I9wghNUQ
We also had to get our picture in front of the VAB and firing room :)
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For future reference:
I watched launch from the Indian River Queen paddleboat. Our viewing location ended up being just north of 528 on the Indian River (intercoastal). While the trip was a nice afternoon cruise, I was sadly disappointed that there was no NASA select or prelaunch broadcast info! I ended up being the one with the "blow by blow" as I constantly reloaded our beloved NSF launch forum.
The boat is not equipped to handle a launch. Their sole intent was to drive up the river and serve food.
The view was pretty far and now that I look at google maps, we were still ~5 miles south of 405 where the waterway limits were imposed. There was almost NO sound as they kept the boat engines running, essentially drowning out any rumble we could have heard. Instead of countdown, we heard the captain telling us all to PLEASE not all stand on one side of the boat SO he kept turning the boat!
In all fairness, it was a nice cruise, good food, beautiful breeze, shade, restrooms, etc. Just be prepared to find your own media for updates/status and don't think you're getting anywhere near Titusville.
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For future reference:
I watched launch from the Indian River Queen paddleboat.
Thanks for letting us know. I had always wondered what kind of view you'd get from the water. How was the crowd on the boat? Where there a lot of people?
It supremely bugged me the last time I was on the Causeway for a night launch that they left all of those generators running. They created a constant background drone. In the olden days they cut the lights off before launch, but I guess they're too safety conscious now. So I can sympathize with you on the boat motor noise.
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For future reference:
I watched launch from the Indian River Queen paddleboat.
Thanks for letting us know. I had always wondered what kind of view you'd get from the water. How was the crowd on the boat? Where there a lot of people?
Crowd was just fine as we were on a private charter with about 150 people booked (I think it was much less, maybe 100 actually onboard).
I've done the causeway as well and the boat noise seemed more than the generators but again, it may have been due to the distance. Add the captains warnings during OAA retract, etc. and you get the picture.
I didn't feel as bad after reading everyone else's posts about how muffled launch was from everywhere.
I just honestly don't understand why every human being on the planet isn't as excited about space as I am ;-) The world should come to a screeching halt when we launch.
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I checked out a few of the local restaurants recommended in an NSF thread here, and have this to contribute:
Yen Yen restaurant in Cocoa Beach : just got take-out as I arrived in town after my 8 hour drive, and it was good enough. Lots of memorabilia on the wall including many, many pictures of the owner with astronauts.
DiLorenzo's Italian Restaurant in Cape Canaveral : modest strip mall location, pizza/sub shop with ordering at counter; I ordered a pasta dish and it was good, and the family folks running the place were very nice.
Roberto's (Cuban) in downtown Cocoa Beach : extremely busy the Friday night I was there (post launch), so service was rather slow, but I got the sampler plate and it was *excellent*; do not pass up, especially if you're unfamiliar with Cuban
Slow n Low BBQ at about 3rd Street in Cocoa Beach : also busy on a Saturday night; pork BBQ was lean and some of the best I've ever had; spicy vinegar slaw was fantastic. Great service. Wow.
In a few days I'll post my tips on how to see the shuttle up close after a landing! (learned from STS-129 last November)
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Wow. My lucky family had the amazing opportunity to see the launch as guests of the Administrator.
OV-103 in OPF-3
Ares I MLP & LUT
CDR Altman
39A East Fence
Smoke over 39B from OSB-2
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39A East Fence
...*wibble*...
i don't know if there's a price i wouldn't pay for the chance to stand that close to 39A for a few minutes and take pictures of an orbiter, at night, after the RSS had retracted, just before a launch.
simply stunning.
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39A East Fence
...*wibble*...
i don't know if there's a price i wouldn't pay for the chance to stand that close to 39A for a few minutes and take pictures of an orbiter, at night, after the RSS had retracted, just before a launch.
simply stunning.
Seconded on that one! Wow!
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Ok I want to get that clearance!
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I checked out a few of the local restaurants recommended in an NSF thread here, and have this to contribute:
I have a few as well for those interested. If you need addresses, I have some of them too, for those below and others.
SlowNLow: I had the 1/2 chicken (really good) fries (so-so) and green beans (so-so). Really good service.
The dugout Sports Grill: I had the meat lovers pizza. It was pretty good.
Cafe Chocolat in Titusville: The server was ditsy, the espresso was cold, and the ice cream portion was tiny (but good)
Bagel World in Titusville: Good bagels, but the sesame one I had actually tasted salty. Don't know what was up with that.
Sunrise Bagel Company: Awesome bagels, great coffee. That was my haunt. It also had free wi-fi (which was a life saver for me).
Durango Steakhose (Cocoa beach): Great service. Had the baby back ribs on the open oak fire. Very Yummy. Baked potato was good.
Durango Steakhouse (Hwy 50 near Titusville): crummy service, steak was slightly undercooked, but good. I don't know what they made their mashed potatoes out of, but they almost tasted (and looked) instant...yuck.
Fishlips at port Canaveral: Had a New York Strip with baby potatoes & asparagus. It was okay, nothing special.
Tokyo Japanese Steakhouse in Cocoa Beach. I had the Beef & Chicken meal, which was very good, but I found it rather salty. Very nice place, great service. Best for groups at the grills (2), otherwise you're at the bar which was rather 70s style.
Best meal of all was still Chops in Titusville: Cream of asparagus soup, pork chop, yummy rolls, very nice house wine (Merlot). Service was good too (probably because they weren't that busy when I was there). Nice, romantic spot (if you have someone to share that with, which unfortunately I didn't).
I first went into Kloiber's Cobbler Eatery just across from Chops in Titusville, but it was mainly a lunch (and perhaps breakfast?) place. Looked like a quality menu though.
If you're looking for coffee, best bet is a 7-eleven; it's pretty good. There are very few Starbucks' around (not that I'm fond of them), no Tim Hortons or Second Cup.
As to accomodations, I'd steer clear of the Three Oaks Motel in Titusville. Pool was closed the whole time I was there (not that I needed it), the bathroom was dirty & faucets falling out, no water pressure at times (especially at night), and let's just say don't leaving anything lying around during the day (even in the fridge). The bed was clean though. And if they ever get the construction finished on both Hopkins & Washington avenue...you might actually be able to sleep in (they start at 7am).
Oh, and IF by chance there are still any FILM guys out there, be careful & bring what you need. There is a Miracle Photo on US1, but they no longer carry E6 slide film, and apparently only 1 place in Orlando processes it. They did have Fuji print film, as did the gift shops at KSC. I was lucky I had enough film, and even brought 3 rolls back with me (including 2 B&W). I actually had no problem with hand checking at all security stations, which was a first.
Next time, I'm staying at something more up-scale, and since there is NOTHING to do in Titusville at night; perhaps in (or close to) Cocoa Beach. There's an Econolodge at US1 & hwy 528 to Cocoa that seems very convenient.
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Citabria - wonderful pics! What an impression that must've made on your kids. Just fantastic.
Robertross - re. restaurants on the Space Coast. In my 4 trips there in the past couple of years, I have eaten at quite a few places.
I found the Dixie Crossroads in Titusville to have mediocre food (sorry to say that -maybe it was just that night - I should go again to be sure), although the company I was with that night sure made up for the food.
A couple of great little places that I found where I least expected them.
There's a little strip mall 1 block north of Ron Jon's in Cocoa Beach, near the 520 & A1A intersection. A place where I *least* expected to find good food.
A few restaurants there, and one that I really liked was the "Old Fish House". Everything home made, and fresh. One place on the Space Coast that actually has good fresh seafood, and steaks for those who don't like seafood. I love seafood, but my friend doesn't, so it was fine for us. Home made desserts - can recommend their key lime pie and chocolate cake!! Very friendly, and busy on weekends.
Also in the same strip mall, is this ice cream shop that makes their own gelato (and kimchee too, strangely enough) and a little Thai place, which had great curries. There's also an indian place in the same strip mall, but I haven't been there yet.
If I go for a launch, I stay at one of those hotels along North Atlantic Ave, which is within walking distance of this mall. (Days Inn, Marriott, Hampton Inn, etc)
During the day, there's the usual fare along the main drag (IHOP, etc) and at least during the day I can go to the beach, or relax, or go to Cocoa or the military base down the highway and look at the planes, or swim, or read, or hop in the car and go to a wildlife sanctuary, or back to KSC........
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Question for a few of you that went to the launch and had other locations from my causeway experience. How do you get tickets to see the launch from Turn Basin or the Saturn V location? Also, how do you get to be a guest of the administrator? Sounds like you have to know him personally but you never know. I also met some folks at the causeway who were congressional guest ticket holders, and they were as surprised as I was that they were not taken to the 5 mile or a closer location to see the launch. They also had a child around the age of 6 with them, and I was under the impression that you had to be at least 14 to get congressional tickets. Anyone able to answer these 3 questions? We may be in the position to see another launch, particularity if the president allows STS-135 next year, and would like to see about getting an even better view if possible.
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Citabria - wonderful pics! What an impression that must've made on your kids. Just fantastic.
Thanks, I count myself lucky. Like most of you here, I've been very interested in manned spaceflight my whole life (first memories of Gemini 7/6). But that doesn't count for much, does it? Like most things in life, it's all down to whom you know. Yes, it was a personal connection to the NASA Administration. I feel a bit guilty about it, but, like you said, it was for the kids.
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Wow Citabria - I agree with everyone else, very nice work with the photos, and thanks for sharing with all us non VIPs ;D
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Hi All,
It has been a bit busy hence I have not been able to send pictures out lately but here is are a few. I made a few galleries and they can be seen here:
STS:132 (current mission)
http://www.atapattu.net/atapattu00.html
Enjoy.
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Space Weather News for May 23, 2010
http://spaceweather.com
SOLAR TRANSIT: Yesterday in Switzerland, Thierry Legault photographed the International Space Station and space shuttle Atlantis passing directly in front of the sun, not far from new sunspot 1072. The veteran astrophotographer calls the image his "best ever of a solar transit," and indeed the silhouette of the docked spaceships backlit by "solar fire" is a must see. It is featured on today's edition of http://spaceweather.com.
DOUBLE FLYBY ALERT: Atlantis is scheduled to undock from the ISS on Sunday, May 23rd, at 11:22 am EDT, setting the stage for double flybys over many towns and cities around the world. Need a flyby prediction? There's an app for that: http://simpleflybys.com .
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Question for a few of you that went to the launch and had other locations from my causeway experience. How do you get tickets to see the launch from Turn Basin or the Saturn V location? Also, how do you get to be a guest of the administrator? Sounds like you have to know him personally but you never know. I also met some folks at the causeway who were congressional guest ticket holders, and they were as surprised as I was that they were not taken to the 5 mile or a closer location to see the launch. They also had a child around the age of 6 with them, and I was under the impression that you had to be at least 14 to get congressional tickets. Anyone able to answer these 3 questions? We may be in the position to see another launch, particularity if the president allows STS-135 next year, and would like to see about getting an even better view if possible.
Most, if not all, of your questions are answered in Steven Pietrobon's unofficial space shuttle launch guide. Here's the link:
http://www.sworld.com.au/steven/space/shuttle/guide.txt
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Ok I want to get that clearance!
I've been there and done that, and when people ask me how they can do it, sadly there's only one answer: It's all about who you know.
The only other route is to become a journalist and get assigned to cover KSC. Press get incredible access.
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Got the intinerary for Congressional Tickets today.
Long time lurker, first time poster.
My family and I viewed our first launch, STS-132 from (near) Spaceview park. I slept in the car the night before to hold a good spot that gave us access to our coolers and chairs.
How do you apply for Congressional Tickets?
Here is one of our photos.. Wish I would have gotten into launches a long time ago, they are great!
Thanks...
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Wow, just got back from Florida. and what was that great. to see the space shuttle launch from space view park in Titusville.
Those 4 minutes where the 6 hour waiting time more than worth!!
WHAT AN EXPERIENCE!!!. For all those who are not sure to go see a launch, i would say GO!!
BTW the night before the launch was also awesome! seeing the platform in the light!
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Holy cow those are fantastic pictures! I need to get to know the insiders...
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OK shuttle fans, here is my post on how to see a landing. More specifically ...
how to get an up close view of the shuttle as she rolls from the SLF to OPF
This is based on my experience with STS-129 last November.
When they tow the shuttle back from the SLF to the OPF, about 30 minutes prior to when she actually rolls down the parkway, they stop traffic on the road that she'll be rolling over and literally sweep that section of road clean. They run street cleaners or brooms or something and then walk it down (a mile or two) inspecting for any remaining debris. After they do that surface inspection, though, nobody is allowed to drive on the road until the shuttle has rolled over it and reached the building it's going to. That meant stopping any southbound traffic, and so you can use that to "luck" into one of the most impossibly great photo opportunities imaginable that day.
You can get an incredible photo opportunity around 5-6 hours after landing time. What you need to do is time your rides on the tour busses so that you end up at the right spot, the intersection of the towway and the parkway, just before they close the parkway for the shuttle to get towed down it. One of the images attached below is a screenshot from NASA TV showing the vantage point you'll get -- the tour busses are parked just behind the shuttle in that shot. The other (larger) images were all taken by me that day in November.
Here is a typical timeline of what happens immediately after a landing, with some qualifying comments below:
T + 0 -- landing in Florida
T + 4 hrs -- first motion on the tow from the runway
T + 5 hrs -- turn from runway onto towway
T + 5h15m -- first visible from parkway (rounding the bend)
T + 5h30m -- turn from towway onto parkway; ideal photo opportunity
T + 5h45m -- start turn from parkway onto ramp to OPF
T + 5h50m -- road clear, parkway traffic moving again
The 4 hours from landing to tow first motion is typical. In my case, the shuttle had landed heading northbound (runway 33) instead of southbound (runway 15), which put it at the far end of the runway at wheels stop. This added, by my estimate, 30 to 45 minutes to the processing time. So consider the landing direction when you try to time this, because if it's a southbound landing, then they might start towing only 3h15m or 3h30m after landing.
Keep up with the live status of the shuttle on the runway here at NSF, in particular the live commentary thread for that landing day. You can also check the NASA TV screengrab (jpg still image) (http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/countdown/video/chan2large.jpg) to see what's happening this instant, although NASA TV often will cut away to other programming so you won't be able to see the tow happening. Better to rely on the NSF live thread. Obviously you'll need a smartphone (like an iPhone or an Android) to do this. Use this information to time which bus you get onto at the Visitor's Center, and be conservative -- that is, get onto a bus too early rather than too late. You'll be getting onto a regular "free" tour bus, not any of the special tours.
Then when you get to the launch gantry stop, you can re-calibrate and get on the next bus at the right time, so that you see something as you drive past the towway heading north towards the Apollo / Saturn building. Note however that if you time the northbound bus so that you can see the shuttle on the towway, you will not have any time to spare at the Apollo / Saturn building and will basically get right back on the bus to go southbound. If you haven't seen the Apollo / Saturn exhibits yet, skip the tight northbound timing and get to that building early so you can see those exhibits (at least an hour and preferably more), and then time your return trip on the southbound bus.
When you get to the Apollo / Saturn building, you can re-calibrate and get on the next bus at the right time, so that you intentionally get stuck at the towway intersection after they've closed the road. As for the timing of that ... Based on my experience with STS-129, including the fact that there were 4-5 busses in front of us at that intersection, I'd guess that they close the road at around the same time that the shuttle turns from the runway onto the towway, or maybe 10-15 minutes after that. So that is when you'd want to get on a bus at the Apollo / Saturn building, so you'd be first in line getting stuck and have the best photo op. Monitor the live thread here for tow progress.
I strongly recommend that you be standing in line for the busses leaving the Apollo / Saturn building by the time the shuttle is turning onto the towway. Get to the front of the line then DON'T get on the bus, and instead stand off to the side and let others board as you get chummy with the bus driver (who are usually big fans themselves). Stay with him (and the next bus driver, and the next ...) and see when his radio tells him when they've closed the road, because that'll be the best info of all. As soon as they close the road, get on the bus!
The tour busses only run during daylight hours, so this method is only going to work if the landing has occurred in the morning, as early as 4am or so and as late as 11am.
Good luck!
(and sorry about violating the 2-images-max rule, but they are relatively small :)
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Any suggestions on where to watch the landing from?
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Lol, the SLF, like I am today!
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Today's tow matched my timeline above almost perfectly. I hope someone here got to see it in person.
Here's a still from NASA TV today showing the photo op. At the extreme right edge you see the first of the tour busses that have been stopped.
(screenshot is in HD from the NASA TV HD feed but it's just upconverted SD)
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Today's tow matched my timeline above almost perfectly. I hope someone here got to see it in person.
Here's a still from NASA TV today showing the photo op. At the extreme right edge you see the first of the tour busses that have been stopped.
(screenshot is in HD from the NASA TV HD feed but it's just upconverted SD)
I'm seriously going to have to try to do that on one of the next flights. That's just unbelievably close. I doubt you can get out of the bus... right?
I watched it from the KSC visitors center, it worked out fine. At least 100 other people were out there in the parking lot watching it as well.
I posted about it, with pictures, here:
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978260484 (http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978260484)
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Hi everyone,
Travelled from Australia to watch sts132 Atlantis launch was a great experience viewed from the NASA Causeway,this was my second launch last one was sts91(from hall of fame) back in 1998,the view i had this time was better and a better camera helped this time,Money well spent for this trip.
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Hi everyone,
Travelled from Australia to watch sts132 Atlantis launch was a great experience viewed from the NASA Causeway,this was my second launch last one was sts91(from hall of fame) back in 1998,the view i had this time was better and a better camera helped this time,Money well spent for this trip.
Wow the last launch I was at was STS-91 too. But I live in Florida, I will always be asking myself why I did not go over there more often. :-[
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This pic is a little late to the party, but it took a while for me to clean it up. Still working on a higher res version to posterize for my office, hope you guys like! =)
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Cool Picture Naito.
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This pic is a little late to the party, but it took a while for me to clean it up. Still working on a higher res version to posterize for my office, hope you guys like! =)
How did you do that? I was there at 5 am and tried to get a shot like that but the lights did not show up on my pictures.
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How did you do that? I was there at 5 am and tried to get a shot like that but the lights did not show up on my pictures.
Pic was taken from roughly here
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.418315,-80.62466&spn=0.006369,0.010847&z=17
around midnight the night before launch. It's a composite of about 30 different exposures. The longer exposures brought out the light beams, and the short ones got the details of the stack. Used some astro-photography software to stack the images to get rid of the air and humidity effects from shooting across 12 miles of Florida air, then fused the different exposures together.
In interests of full-disclosure, I added the extended water reflection on the bottom since it got cut off by the road and shoreline in the original one. Hope it's not too much =p
Took less time than I thought to do the finished version =) Hope you all like!
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Fantastic Naito, thanks for the explanation :D It's one of the best photos like that I've seen.
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Here's my effort at one of those shots. 30 sec exposure from Titusville
http://www.flickr.com/photos/complexvisuals/4604984409/in/set-72157623932154253/
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Can't access, please ATTACH the photo to the post.
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Here's my effort at one of those shots. 30 sec exposure from Titusville
http://www.flickr.com/photos/complexvisuals/4604984409/in/set-72157623932154253/
I saw those while browsing on flickr before, they were great! Where in Titusville were you?
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I saw those while browsing on flickr before, they were great! Where in Titusville were you?
Thanks alot. In Titusville, near directly across from El Leoncito Mexican restaurant. We walked across the road and out onto a wooden dock/pier.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=28.56597,-80.796204&sll=53.318442,-6.251353&sspn=0.033071,0.089092&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=15
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Darn I think my problem was the exposure was set too short. Not sure I will have another chance to get a early morning shot like that :(