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International Space Flight (ESA, Russia, China and others) => Indian Launchers => Topic started by: Bruce H on 02/26/2006 03:29 pm

Title: India building a RLV!
Post by: Bruce H on 02/26/2006 03:29 pm
http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?aid=278065&ssid=27&sid=ENV
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Post by: Hotol on 02/26/2006 04:30 pm
Anyone got images of what this looks like?
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Post by: FransonUK on 02/26/2006 05:01 pm
Pass on the image, but more Indian stuff.
http://news.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=261561&n_date=20060226&cat=India
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Post by: Jamie Young on 02/26/2006 05:02 pm
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Hotol - 26/2/2006  11:30 AM

Anyone got images of what this looks like?

Found this!

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Post by: Sergi Manstov on 02/26/2006 05:04 pm
This aswell. Small though.
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Post by: hornet on 02/26/2006 05:33 pm
good news but sounds like a long way off due to development of technology. but if India were to partner with nasa on the vision... ;)
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Post by: Martin FL on 02/26/2006 06:35 pm
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hornet - 26/2/2006  12:33 PM

good news but sounds like a long way off due to development of technology. but if India were to partner with nasa on the vision... ;)

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?id=4301 :)
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Post by: lmike on 02/26/2006 10:35 pm
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Sergi Manstov - 26/2/2006  10:04 AM

This aswell. Small though.

pic: rlv-isas-test-2001-sm.jpg


Judging by the caption it's the Japanese technology demonstrator from ISAS (JAXA center for aronautical and spacecraft research).  RLV-RVT.  http://www.isas.ac.jp/e/enterp/tech/vehicle/06.shtml  They've done a few 'hopping' ( a few dozen meters up) tests.  They *are* tiny demonstrators of primarily control systems.

links:
http://www.hobbyspace.com/Links/RLV/RLVCountdown2.html#RVT
http://www.hobbyspace.com/AAdmin/Images/RLV/RVTgens.jpg
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Post by: nacnud on 02/26/2006 10:44 pm
Yeah I'd go with that, it's exactly what I thought when I saw that image. Simialar to the DC-X but smaller if I remember correctly.
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Post by: Mark Max Q on 02/27/2006 03:57 am
India is not lacking in scientists and engineers, but the know-how. An alliance with them would be pretty useful if the Chinese get too friendly with the Russians.
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Post by: lmike on 02/27/2006 04:08 am
Well, India is pretty much friendly with Russia as well.  http://www.isro.org/gslv.htm  The LH2 upper stage for their GSLV was designed and built by Khrunichev, (as well as a series of cruise missiles, naval ships, combat aircraft, etc...)
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Post by: Mark Max Q on 02/27/2006 04:15 am
For sure. I just hope we can get the Russians on side with us for the Moon and Mars, but I get the feeling they want to do that on their own or with the Chinese.
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Post by: lmike on 02/27/2006 04:15 am
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Martin FL - 26/2/2006  11:35 AM

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hornet - 26/2/2006  12:33 PM

good news but sounds like a long way off due to development of technology. but if India were to partner with nasa on the vision... ;)

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?id=4301 :)

This just talks about how India would like to lobby the US to outsource a few of its remaining launches to the GSLV (been there, done that with the IT industry)
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Post by: Rocket Ronnie on 02/27/2006 10:12 am
It gets more interesting!

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/breakingnews.php?id=82065
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Post by: Avron on 02/28/2006 04:14 am
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Rocket Ronnie - 27/2/2006  6:12 AM

It gets more interesting!

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/breakingnews.php?id=82065

Yes, very nice... I like the underlying concept.. just wonder about all the export controls etc..
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Post by: MartianBase on 03/18/2006 10:40 am
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Mark Max Q - 26/2/2006  10:57 PM
 An alliance with them would be pretty useful if the Chinese get too friendly with the Russians.

India is just as selfish, insular and greedy as many other nations, probably 100 times worse than the self important and Franco-centrics, Francophiles or French-Fry politicans. India has been against many of the United States ally's, they only care about their own skin and India was something of a foe during the Cold-War.

Remember that NASA is the greatest space agency that ever existed so NASA will always have more to offer other Space Agency's in joint missions. NASA has more to give them when compared to the amount that they ( other space groups ) offer the USA/NASA !

Sadly NASA isn't a divine body nor can it do magic, it can't go everywhere and do everything because NASA is governed by the laws of rocketry physics as well as hampered by politics and economics. People would like NASA to go everywhere - build a new Shuttle, do an asteroid mission, fix Hubble, go to Saturn, send robots to Mars, fix the ISS, go to Europa, make a new base on Mars....
So in order to real its goals NASA must sometimes do joint co-operative missions.

Even though NASA is the greatest agency to ever exist, its does have limitations and we also have budget trouble - there are however a number of Space agency's that do have something great to offer NASA.

Russia is good because the Soviets were NASAs greatest rival. Russia have a huge experience with Venus, Salyut space station, rovers on the Moon, have done biospheres, long duration studies lived in space for double the time that NASA have, built Energia.
Europe even without space has a strong tradition of industry with great products like eurofighter, sports-cars and airbus. Today Europeans are studying exo-planets, testing ion-drives to the Moon, sending off spacecraft like Rosetta and ESA are launching many space telescopes. Japan and Canada also have something to offer, a large knowledge of robotics and Earth-satellite observation, the Japanese did have some of the greatest wonders of technology but today the Japanese industry is in decline and the economy has become stagnant since their economic bubble burst. China will soon surpass Japan in industry, economics and technology, they are building multiple launch pads, are buying companies like Rover and IBM, have a manned spacecraft it is only a matter of time before the Chinese have totally over-taken the Japanese in every area. China might soon have some skill, experience and technology to offer NASA , however political relations with China are mixed and I suspect they will be a rival in Space.


To ally with India could be totally worthless, I know Bush has some great visionary plans about outsourcing NASA to India but I think it is dumb to give them our technology because there is little to be gained in return. India is full of self importance and they only care about their own, they were on the wrong side during the cold war buying up Soviet missiles and MIGs so they could destroy the American made planes. I know people like the late JFK, Webb and Griffin would be very unhappy about outsouring space exploration to another country. Bush however has great plans for outsourcing and giving away technology went over to India and said there would be no curbs on outsourcing tech or aerospace designs from the U.S The only thing India has to offer is a cheap rocket launch so if we start outscouring to these guys we may aswell start outsourcing exploration to everyone else with a launch-pad, sounding-rocket or ballistic missile such as Iran, South Africa, Pakistan, Malaysia, Brazil, and North-Korea.
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Post by: Jackson on 03/22/2006 11:30 am
I like your references to France ;)
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Post by: publiusr on 03/23/2006 07:04 pm
I wish they would build Sea Dragon.
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Post by: nasafreak72 on 01/23/2007 07:31 pm
"India is just as selfish, insular and greedy as many other nations"
You mean like us (the US)?

 ;)
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Post by: publiusr on 02/02/2007 06:55 pm
I like the Indians myself. Their 200 metric ton solids will give them Saturn IB/Titan IV capability--something Atlas V doesn't even have.
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Post by: 02hurnella on 04/04/2007 03:16 pm
I thought the Usa wanted to go it alone on the vision? Europe offered to collaborate didn't they and Nasa said no, but if you get to the moon seperatly we can collaborate? Besides Russia doesn't want to collaborate with china... isn't that not the point of CSTS
Title: Re: India building a RLV!
Post by: josh_simonson on 04/06/2007 06:25 pm
NASA wants to have the full logistical capability in-house, other than that collaboration where Russia, ESA, ISRO, ect build AND pay for their contribution will be welcome.
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Post by: 02hurnella on 04/14/2007 06:11 pm
Is that implying that Russia+ESA didnt pay for thier contributions to the ISS? Russia quite clearly did, they kept it running, built the core launched half of it etc. The ESA less so but they did build node 2, node 3, colombus etc.

The only way people will walk on mars before 2040 is if there is a race! I say 2/3 faviroutes Nasa-1/9 euro-russian-1/9 china-1/9-India 1/9
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Post by: Danderman on 04/14/2007 06:22 pm

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Bruce H - 26/2/2006  8:29 AM  http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?aid=278065&ssid=27&sid=ENV

This project is so early in its development that I suspect that 20 years from now, whatever emerges may be very different from this description. In other words, don't hold your breath.

 

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Post by: Bob_The_Builder on 04/26/2007 04:36 am
As per this,

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Vital gear for rocket launches handed over to ISRO http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/002200704201860.htm

The RH-560M Motorcase, a vital piece of equipment that can help cut the amount of fuel needed to launch rockets, was handed over to the Indian space agency here today.

The Motorcase was handed over to B N Suresh, Director of the Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre (VSSC) of the Indian Space Research Organisation, by city-based Ramakrishna Engineering Company.

Suresh later told a press conference that VSSC is trying to configure low-cost effective technology for air breathing propulsion.

"The RH-560M enhances the capability of the launch. It can save almost the whole amount of fuel...as of now only the US has it. We will be the second country to go in for it," he said.

ISRO plans to test the air breathing propulsion technology by January or February next year, he said.

The April 23 commercial launch of the Italian satellite Agile from Sriharikota by ISRO, the first such launch from India, would be a "significant" event, Suresh said.

And this,

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Indigenous avionics to be installed soon in PSLV/GSLV
Venkatachari Jagannathan

Chennai: The Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) designed new rocket navigation systems have performed flawlessly. Installed on board of the Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle C8 (PSLV-C8) to test its functionality and efficiency on an actual flight, the performance of avionics was excellent say ISRO scientists.

Says director P S Veeraraghavan, ISRO Inertial Systems Unit, "The test results are identical to our expectations and that of the existing flight navigation systems."

"ISRO's two launch vehicles PSLV and Geosynchronous Launch Vehicle (GSLV) will soon be fitted with indigenously designed navigation systems", adds director, Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre, ISRO, Dr.B N Suresh.

Named as Vikram the microprocessor that powered the navigation computers was designed by ISRO. Presently ISRO uses Motorola's 68,000 processor.

With the perpetual threat of technological transfer ban by the western countries hanging over ISRO, Veeraraghavan says designing our own microprocessor is of strategic interest. "The Vikram processor is ten times powerful than the existing one."

ISRO started the work on developing the processor couple of years ago. The systems were tested on the ground using flight simulation.

Meanwhile ISRO is planning to test its air-breathing engine first on its sounding rockets. According to Dr. Suresh, the space organisation has plans to do that in September this year.

Air breathing rocket systems are the ones which use the atmospheric oxygen from their surroundings and burn it with the stored on- board fuel for producing the forward thrust in contrast to the conventional chemical rocket systems, which carry both the oxygen and fuel on-board.

As a result, the air breathing systems become much lighter and more efficient, leading to reduced overall costs. As the air breathing systems have the capability to operate only during the atmospheric phase of flight, they always have to be adopted along with the conventional chemical rockets, for meeting the final orbital velocity requirements

http://www.domain-b.com/aero/20070425_indigenous.htm

What are the chances of this getting in RLV?
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Post by: whitewatcher on 04/26/2007 06:57 am
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02hurnella - 14/4/2007  8:11 PM
The only way people will walk on mars before 2040 is if there is a race! I say 2/3 faviroutes Nasa-1/9 euro-russian-1/9 china-1/9-India 1/9

My guess is 1/3 nasa, 1/3 euro-russian cooperation, 1/3 russia.
If you want to go to mars alone, you either need a very sophisticated concept or you can't afford it.
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Post by: Startrex88 on 07/22/2009 05:08 pm
I read all the views about how great NASA is . No dispute NASA does work which is far superior to many of its rivals but please stop thinking that all others are no good .

First up : Indian space agency is not an outsourcing firm ,the amount of respect you get in the Indian society for being a part of Indian space programme is far more than what a pope can expect from an average catholic and it is due to some reasons let me list a few .

We have a country quite unlike the US .Here half our children still dont have any money to go to school . ISRO is the ONLY organisation in the world that has dedicated a satellite completely for primary school education . It is called EDUSAT which connects rural schools to top end research institutes of this country so that a lecture by an expert can be enjoyed by a student thousands of miles away .

Our health system is exemplary in many cities but lacks specialized care in villages and that is where ISRO tele medicine system comes in . We have dedicated solutions which are solely meant to make for example a Valve Replacement Heart surgery for a villager who does not have access to high quality city hospitals  possible through tele medicine and information sharing networks.

We have a water mapping system and the data is provided free to farmers who depend a lot on where the water flows

These are just a few of the objectives that ISRO has for so long been after. We may have a 1/100 chance of making it to Mars by 2040 we may have to stand and applaud when NASA claims that it sent a probe to Titan but we still get the smiles and blessings of the ever neglected not so educated common man of India . And that is a force more powerful than any motivation that you can ever imagine .

So next time someone uses taxpayers money to send a probe to Andromeda to find if there is life there please remember that with a fraction of that taxpayers money in another part of this world someone  is using all his skills from conventional flight theory to
nanotechnology not for the same purpose but to get nobler motives achieved . And believe me the satisfaction you get when you see an uneducated kid who would have remained uneducated if it wasnt for you  flawlessly reciting "Mary Had A Little Lamb" is far more than what you get crashing a probe in a satellite filled with methane .