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International Space Flight (ESA, Russia, China and others) => Russian Launchers - Soyuz, Progress and Uncrewed => Topic started by: simonbp on 07/15/2008 06:01 pm
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http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/hyperbola/2008/07/farnborough-energias-crew-spac.html
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I guess...
Simon ;)
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http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/hyperbola/2008/07/farnborough-energias-crew-spac.html
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I guess...
Simon ;)
Looks more like a TKS capsule enlarged with a soyuz service module.
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Just another funny picture from Energia. Last was "Kliper-transformer", this time "pepelats". :)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/6/63/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%86.jpg)
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I guess...
It's rather "decidophobia"...
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Remember "Zarya" :)
(http://www.buran.ru/images/gif/zarya.gif)
(http://www.buran.ru/images/gif/zarya2.gif)
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Ridiculus. "I was told by the two Energia employees on the company's stand that they had been given it to display at the last minute. They knew very little [...]"
Sorry, I can't take this proposal serious. Not nearly.
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This all has to be viewed together with the statement from Davydov (deputy Head of Roskosmos) that the Government will soon approve plans to double expenditure for the space program starting from 2009! Big pie to share!
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What is CTCS standing for?
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What is CTCS standing for?
CSTS or ACTS (Crew Space Transportation System and Advanced Crew Transportation System respectively) is a human spaceflight system which is jointly studied by the European Space Agency (ESA), the Roskosmos Russian Space Agency (eventually in replacement of the Kliper project) and lately the Japanese Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA), with the objective to design a spacecraft for LEO operations such as servicing the International Space Station but also capable of exploration of the Moon and beyond.
Wikipedia Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSTS)
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Just another funny picture from Energia. Last was "Kliper-transformer", this time "pepelats". :)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/6/63/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%86.jpg)
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I guess...
It's rather "decidophobia"...
Mate, this is snapshot from Russian comedy movie Kin-Dza-Dza (1986) by director Georgi Daneliya."Pepelats" is the name of this craft from the movie (you should hear funny noises it made in movie during the flight) and it became a common term for a crappy spasecraft design on Russian Novisti Kosmonavtiki space forum. So, please treat this as a joke, unlike serious staff that had been shown in UK airshow.
BTW Daneliya during his interview about movie mentioned that he had been inspired by Bradbury Marsian Chronicles.
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So, please treat this as a joke, unlike serious staff that had been shown in UK airshow.
I'll hope you joking too. It's looks same crazy parachuteless concept as Zarya was.
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BBC article with more info:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7519723.stm
Simon ;)
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What is CTCS standing for?
CSTS or ACTS (Crew Space Transportation System and Advanced Crew Transportation System respectively)
sure...but the title of the thread says "Energia CTCS"
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So, please treat this as a joke, unlike serious staff that had been shown in UK airshow.
I'll hope you joking too. It's looks same crazy parachuteless concept as Zarya was.
RUSSIA is still VERY unpredictable. Hope that Energia will find money one way or another.
"Crazy parachuteless concept" might be sound crazy from technical point of view, but it makes sence from political one - they would like to land capsula in Russia not Kazahstan, and with prescision 2x2 km for easier recovery.
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What is CTCS standing for?
CSTS or ACTS (Crew Space Transportation System and Advanced Crew Transportation System respectively)
sure...but the title of the thread says "Energia CTCS"
So what? On Farnboroug airspace show had been presented Crew Space Transportation System designed by Energia, till Nov 2008 we hopefully will see EADS version design or m.b. other Eropean airspace companies design version of CTCS.
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Did you note the new landing method retained for CSTS? Solid propellant thruster with modulation of the thrust by cosinus technique (variation of angle)! Very strange. Not so new as an idea (cf "project Zarya") but innovative in practice.
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What is CTCS standing for?
CSTS or ACTS (Crew Space Transportation System and Advanced Crew Transportation System respectively)
sure...but the title of the thread says "Energia CTCS"
So what? On Farnboroug airspace show had been presented Crew Space Transportation System designed by Energia, till Nov 2008 we hopefully will see EADS version design or m.b. other Eropean airspace companies design version of CTCS.
One more try:
the title of this thread is "Energia CTCS", not CSTS. The question was/is: is CTCS a typo (and should be CSTS instead) or is CTCS a real abbreviation?
anyway, i would be surprised if we saw another EADS proposal. they already have their ATV Evolution proposal (CaRV). And i would be even more surprised if Europe undertook any serious effort in November to get CSTS in November.
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Did you note the new landing method retained for CSTS? Solid propellant thruster with modulation of the thrust by cosinus technique (variation of angle)! Very strange. Not so new as an idea (cf "project Zarya") but innovative in practice.
Manned spacecraft "Zarya" (14F70) (1985-1989) had been designed with a total of 24 oxygen-kerosene engines each delivering 1500 kg thrust ignited just before impact with the earth to provide a zero velocity landing of the landing module (Please note that neither solid propellant thrusters nor landing gear in Zarya).
BTW Chief Designer of Zarya in NPO ENERGYA was Konstantin Feoktistov - the first civilian who was a fligth engineer of the VOSHOD-1 mission in 1964.
I hope we will get more details in November 2008 during ESA ministers meeting.
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What is CTCS standing for?
CSTS or ACTS (Crew Space Transportation System and Advanced Crew Transportation System respectively)
sure...but the title of the thread says "Energia CTCS"
Felix, the quoted article title is:
"Farnborough: Energia's Crew Space Transportation System concept?"
So we are talking about CSTS and there is a typo in the title of this thread.
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So, please treat this as a joke, unlike serious staff that had been shown in UK airshow.
I'll hope you joking too. It's looks same crazy parachuteless concept as Zarya was.
Could I remind you about similar "jokes" from McDonnell Douglas Aerospace (now part of Boeing) DC-X Delta Clipper Experimental test vehicle and Blue Origin New Shepard.
Both crafts never designed to achieve orbital altitudes or velocity, but instead to demonstrate a radical new concept of vertical take off and landing. Those crafts managed to softly land with 4 legs on the ground after controlled descend from altitude 3140 m in June 1996 and 87 m in Nov 2006 respectively.
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The Japanese RVT (http://www.isas.jaxa.jp/e/enterp/tech/flight/index.shtml) too
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-irOfrXy4N4)
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I can show you a lot of pics with ppl rope-walking on their hands. That don't make the such ideas more sane and safe. Using parachuteless landing for manned flights, are same crazy as jumping from waterfall in the barrel. There is no thrusted landing system with same statistic of success as parachute landing and will not appear in this century. Even a such simple system as Soyuz' DMPs making mistakes.
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I can show you a lot of pics with ppl rope-walking on their hands. That don't make the such ideas more sane and safe. Using parachuteless landing for manned flights, are same crazy as jumping from waterfall in the barrel. There is no thrusted landing system with same statistic of success as parachute landing and will not appear in this century. Even a such simple system as Soyuz' DMPs making mistakes.
To pm1823:
And why we do not have such statistics?
BTW Soyuz DMP system does not have anything with parashute (DMP or Engines for Soft Landing are responsible for the decceleration on the last meter of descent).
There was only 1 incident recorded involved DMP failure - landing of Soyuz 35 on Jun 3, 1980 (crew: Farkas, Kubasov, and it was not a catastrophic event).
For your information, there is a SIGNIFICANT difference between Souyz landing module (2,8 metric tonn) and proposed vehicle landing module (~12 tonnes). Size does matter and in this scenario parashute system might be not scaled well.
Do not worry - this is still a concept, not a real spacecraft.
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From Russian Novosti Kosmonavtiki Magazine forum:
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/nk/forum-pic/PPTS/PPTS-1.gif
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/nk/forum-pic/PPTS/PPTS-2.gif
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/nk/forum-pic/PPTS/PPTS-3.gif
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/nk/forum-pic/PPTS/PPTS-4.gif
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/nk/forum-pic/PPTS/PPTS-5.gif
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/nk/forum-pic/PPTS/PPTS-6.gif
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/nk/forum-pic/PPTS/PPTS-7.jpg
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From Russian Novosti Kosmonavtiki Magazine forum:
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/nk/forum-pic/PPTS/PPTS-1.gif
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/nk/forum-pic/PPTS/PPTS-2.gif
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/nk/forum-pic/PPTS/PPTS-3.gif
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/nk/forum-pic/PPTS/PPTS-4.gif
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/nk/forum-pic/PPTS/PPTS-5.gif
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/nk/forum-pic/PPTS/PPTS-6.gif
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/nk/forum-pic/PPTS/PPTS-7.jpg
thanks!