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Flight Day 3 coverage of STS-122.
First post to be updated as and when needed.
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5352
Rules: Only relevant updates should go in here.
Images: Images are great, but let's not go crazy unless it's a nice new updated view. Two images per post please.
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Jacques, where did you get that exotic Russian orbital map?
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The FD 3 Execute Package is ready for its uplink.
About 8 minutes away from the wakeup call at 4:45 EST.
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ckiki lwai - 9/2/2008 10:38 AM
Jacques, where did you get that exotic Russian orbital map?
http://www.mcc.rsa.ru/Pic/mks/model.htm
its live, every day...
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Crew wakeup music for Steve Frick. Selected by his wife. I didn't know the song and I missed the name and reason. ;)
Shannon Lucid in CapCom this morning
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I think the music had to do with his favorite breakfast/food didn't catch what the name was.
Wonder why she hasn't been assigned to a flight recently.
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I think it were biscuits with milk>
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It was the theme song from 'Pray home companion'
Not that I know what that is, but I'm assuming it's a TV show in the US?
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It's probably prairie home companion ;)
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Oh, yes, that sounds a bit more logical. You're probably right. ;)
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FD 3 Execute Package is now available
http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/211206main_fd03_exec_pkg.pdf
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Shuttle flight deck (robo station)
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About 3hours away from TI burn
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Great image of the front of the Station... Peggy, Yuri and Dan waking up now, and they have some first tasks from Münich (I can't really spell the place's real name yet :) )
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eeergo - 9/2/2008 12:30 PM
and they have some first tasks from Münich (I can't really spell the place's real name yet :) )
It's München (aka Munich in English) or Oberpfaffenhofen ;-)
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München?
Munich?
OK, Felix beat me...
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np
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Oh, and of course the English pronunciation of "Oberpfaffenhofen" is quite nice and only to be beaten by the French one...
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Here's the Birthday Girl
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beautiful shot... See FD2 about comments about perception of improved color on the camera views
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Having a Shuttle show up at your birthday party, now that is a party truly "out of this world."
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Docking ring
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NH-1 (height adjust) burn underway
UPDATE: good burn. no trim required
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Rendez-vous Checklist:
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/pdf/203849main_RNDZ_122_F_1.pdf
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Did anybody catch that whole last exchange?
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Not sure what the issue is and there's no impact to the rendezvous, but it sounds like they are doing a dump of GPC 1 for the ground...the exchange earlier referred to a few of the GPCs and which ones to downlist in case something else happens.
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Houston confirming good dump of GPC1
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Happy Birthday, Peggy!
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ISS MCC-H just mentioned to Peggy that there's a part of a blanket on the starboard OMS pod sticking up that they should keep in mind when doing the RPM photography...
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some oms blanket sticking up. As i heard over the loop. Wonder if they'll find anything else?
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Station in sight. Tally Ho
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station in sight!
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Mmm again Atlantis involved. Maybe this little nuisances are some defect on her OMS pods?
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Happy birthday Peggy!
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Heading into Orbital Day.
Docking should be due west of New Zealand.
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And of course both of these conversations about the GPC and the TPS blanket pretty much going without elaboration or clarification by the PAO.
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I'm sure the TPS problem is nothing to worry about.
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dember - 9/2/2008 7:57 AM
I'm sure the TPS problem is nothing to worry about.
Neither of them are; at least Navias would elaborate on that, though.
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Good config for the burn.
Anyone else notice any "debris" flying by the ODS? Probably ice, but..
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Burn started.
Update: Good burn, no trim required.
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Ford Mustang - 9/2/2008 2:05 PM Anyone else notice any "debris" flying by the ODS?
Yes... per the Execute Package, they had a waste and water dump this morning, so probably just that?
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Ford Mustang - 9/2/2008 2:05 PM
Good config for the burn.
Anyone else notice any "debris" flying by the ODS?
UFO inavasion ;)
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Good burn, No trim required
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NCC Targeting in work
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Beautiful shot!
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4 hours from docking. Flying over Africa
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tinorex - 9/2/2008 8:07 AM Ford Mustang - 9/2/2008 2:05 PM Good config for the burn. Anyone else notice any "debris" flying by the ODS?
UFO inavasion ;)
LOL! I was thinking the same thing. I'm sure if we check youtube in the next few hours there will be some quack's proof of "multiple UFOs attacking Atlantis".
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One camera from Atlantis, one from the ISS. Not sure which is which, looks like the one on the left is from Atlantis.
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Atlantis now heading into Orbital Night
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One hour until the TI burn, scheduled for 8:47AM CST, 9:47AM EST.
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RNDZ checklist page 1-5 has this and other charts along with data fields for updated calculations of the maneuvers. Makes it pretty cool to be that "in touch" with what they're doing, even when there is no active verbal comm going on...
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/pdf/203849main_RNDZ_122_F_1.pdf
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Payload Operations Center in MSFC.
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GO for the TI burn!
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15 minutes from the TI burn.
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Nice split-screen of the orbiter from the station...
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One the OMS Pod Blanket:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5352 (leading image is a two in one image from the hi res images on L2).
Too early to know the forward plan for this. RPM will help.
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Dan Tani getting some of his excersize in before docking.
ISS in docking attitude.
I will post screencaps of the TI burn, and a small video (very small) of the burn, if they show it like they did the last time....
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Good config for the TI burn!
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Good burn, no trim required!!!
EDIT: Internet lagged just when the TI burn happened, and do not have the video OFF HAND. I am receiving a copy of it as we speak, so it will be a few minutes before I can get it to you guys.
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I was hoping they'd show the TI burn live again. AWESOME! The dual camera view made it that much more impressive.
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Planning to take photos of the OMS loose blanket while Atlantis is station-keeping for 11 minutes once it's reached the R-bar, before starting the RPM. Yuri will be the photographer.
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Meanwhile on ISS: Looks like Dan's catching some TV while he's exercising...
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Now that were past TI burn here's an overview from the Rendezvous Checklist detailing the approach from 2000 ft along the rbar Position 1 starts post MC4 burn.
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Go for MC1 burn
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Now starting to see the shape of Atlantis from the ISS:
Also, MC1 burn in progress.
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MCC-H: Really close from having the big loop!
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Closing at 11 mph.
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A quick PMC on a privatized loop has been requested. Unusual to have during a rondezvous? Or just an indication all is going smoothly?
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Probably want it done before docking.. as things pick up then.
TI Burn Video!!!
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Interesting request to "privatize" air-to-ground 2. Is that normal and I've just never heard it before? Or do they normally have scheduled secured comms and only requests something like this in an abnormal situation? Especially considering the activities that are going to take up the rest of the FD.
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dawei - 9/2/2008 10:12 AM
A quick PMC on a privatized loop has been requested. Unusual to have during a rondezvous? Or just an indication all is going smoothly?
There's time... ISS crew is having lunch and we're still over 30,000 ft away...
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ntschke - 9/2/2008 10:14 AM
Interesting request to "privatize" air-to-ground 2. Is that normal and I've just never heard it before? Or do they normally have scheduled secured comms and only requests something like this in an abnormal situation? Especially considering the activities that are going to take up the rest of the FD.
The timing seems unusual, but PMCs are normal and they are private.
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Medical conferences are always on a privatized loop. However, I have not heard of one taking place at a busy/critical time like this.
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COMM Checks between ISS and Atlantis happening!
Big Loop Enabled!
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Steve Frick tells Peggy that all is well. Looking forward to seeing each other.
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psloss - 9/2/2008 10:17 AM ntschke - 9/2/2008 10:14 AM Interesting request to "privatize" air-to-ground 2. Is that normal and I've just never heard it before? Or do they normally have scheduled secured comms and only requests something like this in an abnormal situation? Especially considering the activities that are going to take up the rest of the FD.
The timing seems unusual, but PMCs are normal and they are private.
Didn't see it in the Acrynyms list...PMC?
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Good MC2 targeting.
GO for the burn.
PMC = Personal/Private Medical Conference. Will get that on the list now. ;)
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I suspect one of the 3 rookies is suffering a bit of sickness, best to get the advice now and get them abck to full stength.
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Bill Harwood has a good summary of the last few hours, including the issue with the GPC (#3):
http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/current.html
"SR-52 (02/09/08): Terminal phase of station rendezvous begins"
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Ford Mustang - 9/2/2008 10:23 AM Good MC2 targeting. GO for the burn. PMC = Personal/Private Medical Conference. Will get that on the list now. ;)
Ok, thanks.
Just curious then, if its medical related is it something like one crew member may not feel well? Or more like updates based on post-exercise routines, tests etc?
edit: Just saw Gordo's post...kinda what I figured. One thing, would we know if it were something along the lines of an "emergency"?
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Range going down fast, close to 10,000 feet away!
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MC3 burn in progress.
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Ford Mustang - 9/2/2008 10:38 AM
Range going down fast, close to 10,000 feet away!
You can see the range rate or R-dot there, too -- closing at 13.8 feet per second at that point in time. (That will be decreasing a lot over the next half-rev or so...)
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Burn of the RCS to maneuver to correct attitude for the MC4 burn:
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Go for the MC4.
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Good shot of the shuttle, 2000 feet and closing!
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2000 ft
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About 30 minutes until RPM start.
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1200 feet below the ISS.
GO for RPM. GO for inside 600FT.
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1 hour 25 minutes until docking.
1000 feet under the ISS. RPM start around 700 feet under ISS - PAO.
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For those armchair crew members like myself we've moved onto the approach Cue Card CC 9-7 from the Rendezvous Checklist
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Very cool
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I love this shot! :cool:
646 feet below the ISS.
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686ft
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611 feet.. Closing in at 5/10 of a foot per second [could also be 1/2 foot per second].. ;)
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Nice view of the MT
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Harmony module is almost in view!
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Block ALPHA complete on the approach cue card.
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Think thats the KU on the right
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15 minutes until RPM start.
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Beautiful video of the orbiter from the ISS.
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600 ft
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Wow, someone is great with the cameras. Full sweep around of atlantis, very cinemagraphic. I suggest NASA hold on to that video!
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7 years ago to the day that the US Destiny Lab was brought to the ISS, also aboard Atlantis!
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5 minutes until RPM start, ratty com during RPM.. Should still have big loop.
Hoping for good KU, and not ratty KU!
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RPM START!
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Here we go
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NTV has defintely upgraded something because the images on the plasma HD are awesome. Not full HD but MUCH better than the previous mission. Almost 3Dish...
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START PHOTOS
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Rbar, How beautiful!
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END PHOTOS
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This one is just awesome
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And that be the end of my KU coverage
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OMS!!!
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Ford Mustang - 9/2/2008 11:32 AM
OMS!!!
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Question: Why did they wait with the OMS pictures until after the RPM? There seemed to be plenty of time before the RPM.
thx adv
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I know it's the starboard one that has the problem, but the port looks more beaten up! Probably just the lightning.
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I believe this is the issue on the OMS:
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There it is again: "Oberpfaffenhofen" ;-)
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Great pronountiation of Columbus Control Center by the PAO commentator... "Obenfafon"
Seems I'm not the only one with spelling problems :laugh:
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Yea, German is a nice language isn't it?
My favorite word is "Bundesfernstrassenprivatfinanzierungsgesetz" (no joke), but that's OT ;-)
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Photos being ready for downlink. Should know something soon!
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Yea.. nice how even the PAO commentator started to laugh when saying "Overpafenofen" :D
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Atlantis on the V-Bar at 285 feet.
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uko - 9/2/2008 5:47 PM
Yea.. nice how even the PAO commentator started to laugh when saying "Overpafenofen" :D
will have some time to learn the word now...
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GO FOR DOCKING!
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also a control Centre for the Columbus module
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200 feet away:
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Who is the flight director for this flight?
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30 minutes until docking.
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Real Madrid - 9/2/2008 10:55 AM
Who is the flight director for this flight?
Mike Sarafin.
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station attitude holding tight
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ODS:
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6 minutes to KU and download of photos.
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they think no fly out will be required
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Jorge - 9/2/2008 5:58 PM
Real Madrid - 9/2/2008 10:55 AM
Who is the flight director for this flight?
Mike Sarafin.
do you known also the flight director for Mission STS-123?
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70 ft and closing
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About 15 minutes until docking. All going smoothly.
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50 ft and closing
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Real Madrid - 9/2/2008 11:04 AM
Jorge - 9/2/2008 5:58 PM
Real Madrid - 9/2/2008 10:55 AM
Who is the flight director for this flight?
Mike Sarafin.
do you known also the flight director for Mission STS-123?
Mike Moses.
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Jorge - 9/2/2008 6:08 PM
Real Madrid - 9/2/2008 11:04 AM
Jorge - 9/2/2008 5:58 PM
Real Madrid - 9/2/2008 10:55 AM
Who is the flight director for this flight?
Mike Sarafin.
do you known also the flight director for Mission STS-123?
Mike Moses.
okay thanks
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Thunderstorms in the background of the docking ring
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12 MINS TO DOCKING
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final approach go!
30ft
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25 feet.
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4 minutes until docking.
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Almost there
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14ft
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nathan.moeller - 9/2/2008 12:15 PM
Are they coming into orbital daylight? Things are getting brighter!
Sunrise is 5 minutes after docking
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Go to ODS for docking, JSC!!!! :(
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Here we go!
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contact!
free drift confirmed
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DOCKING
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DUFF! contact
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docking confirmed
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CONTACT AND CAPTURE CONFIRMED
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Official docking time 11:17 am CST over the coast of Australia.
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Contact!
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Station in free drift to allow motion to dampen out.
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Station FREE DRIFT confirmed.
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Congratulations to ISS ground control for NOT CHANGING THE CAMERA VIEW during the last few seconds of approach. I've been screaming at the TV the last few times when some yahoo decided that, just as contact is about to show up, he decides to pan, tilt or zoom. Hold the shot still!
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is the video from harmony in HD? I think it might, but I have analog cable.
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Happy Birthday, Peggy. You have recieved:
One Space Shuttle Atlantis
One Columbus Module
Seven Crew Members
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Ronsmytheiii - 9/2/2008 12:21 PM is the video from harmony in HD? I think it might, but I have analog cable.
Yep, at least initially in HD, but donw-converted and cropped for ED. Still very clear and liquid-like.
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go for step 8 on docking cue card
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Great coverage here :) Great job, Atlantis again at the station and an awesome mission coming just round the corner! The new cameras for this mission, both in the ISS and the Shuttle, are a great new feature!
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I saw them fly over here in Belgium around 16.45 GMT, about half an hour before docking. With the naked eye I was able to see only one object, but through binoculars I'm quite sure I saw Atlantis separately. Looked like a flying close binary.
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Well done with the coverage lads. Very important to create pictorial coverage, for both live complimentary coverage and for those that are stuck at work or without net right now to catch up later.
Very refreshing to be able to leave the likes of Ford with the coverage. Good work.
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Another quick privatized PMC coming up. A "follow on" to the earlier one.
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Crew have been asked to take some more images of the OMS Pod blanket.
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ISS Hatch Opening!
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Bart Hendrickx - 9/2/2008 6:33 PM
I saw them fly over here in Belgium around 16.45 GMT, about half an hour before docking. With the naked eye I was able to see only one object, but through binoculars I'm quite sure I saw Atlantis separately. Looked like a flying close binary.
Same time, same experience here in Slovakia through binoculars (15xmagnification, 60mm (2.4in) objective diameter)
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Some more work before shuttle hatch opening:
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CNN (Miles O'Brien) just ran a "LIVE" piece showing the OMS pod blanket, and used a picture posted here. ( NasaSpaceFlight.com )
So expect quite a few more "new members" to join NSF, as you just got some free advertising.
Great coverage of DOCKING day, as always.
(edit: feel free to move this to Cheerleading thread, if necessary) :cool:
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Shuttle hatch leak checks ongoing.
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Holy...
Sound inside the ISS from the HD cam!!!!!!
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Oooh... this may be the best attempt at catching audio from the hatch opening yet! Great sound!
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Great, we have live audio with the HD camera! No more silent welcomings :)
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nice hot mike
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Ford Mustang - 9/2/2008 5:48 PM
Holy...
Sound inside the ISS from the HD cam!!!!!!
Amazing, you can hear everything they're saying!
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Dan is literally bouncing off the walls as he waits to open the hatch. Love the live video and audio.
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Holy cow! Is that the new HD audio? Amazing! Sounds like they're in the room with me...
Feels like we switched from one of Edison's phonographs to an ipod...
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OK, now THIS is cool. "Hot mike" on HD system, which is currently streaming. Pillar-boxed but still very cool and live audio, can hear them chatting, Dan Tani clapping, etc. Now we're feeling closer than ever to being there. Yeah baby!
Not sure how many of you are watching in HD but it's awesome. I feel like I'm sitting in the module with them.
I love technology.......
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Looks like we don't need to ask anymore what is sounds like on the space station.....
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ApolloLee - 9/2/2008 12:49 PM
Holy cow! Is that the new HD audio? Amazing! Sounds like they're in the room with me...
that explains the res..
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Now that is just TOO cool! :)
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This is beyond cool!!!!
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Keep this for welcoming ceremony!!!
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Wow - hope someone tells them they're audio live.... ;)
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FlyinBob - 9/2/2008 11:51 AM
Wow - hope someone tells them they're audio live.... ;)
Don't worry, they did. ;)
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This is the best reality TV I've seen in a long time :)
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Neat hissing sound........ Very 2001
These sounds have always existed during hatch opening, we've just never heard them...
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I love this hot mike! This isn't normal, is it?
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nice play with the rush of air!
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PAO needs to learn that silence is golden
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They better put the welcome ceremony on NASAs HD TV page!
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Really nice insight into life on the ISS... hearing the chatter of people living and working together without it being an 'event'.
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This hissing sound of air was the sound of air rushing in to pressurize the vestibule?
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"Let's go to dinner!"
And what was that they said about Navias?
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What was that about "Rob Navias stories"???
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All empty now.
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I'm loving hearing all the audio from the Harmony module, but I wonder if they remember that they are on VOX. They set a 5-minute timer, then said something about a "Rob Navias story." Whatever that means, they got a chuckle out of it.
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How cool (and Breaking News-worthy) would it be if the crew floats in with a bottle of champagne to start the birthday celebration? ;)
They need to stick with this type of coverage. People will watch just for the detail and "connection" which will then lead to better support of the things we do in space...
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Videos
STS-122 - ATLANTIS RENDEZVOUS PITCH MANUEVER
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3309&Itemid=2
STS-122 - ATLANTIS ISS DOCKING
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3310&Itemid=2
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ntschke - 9/2/2008 9:59 AM
How cool (and Breaking News-worthy) would it be if the crew floats in with a bottle of champagne to start the birthday celebration? ;)
They need to stick with this type of coverage. People will watch just for the detail and "connection" which will then lead to better support of the things we do in space...
Absolutely agree
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Air-to-ground 2 is privatized for PMC.
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getting the feeling that someone up there may not be too well
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GoForTLI - 9/2/2008 12:58 PM
I'm loving hearing all the audio from the Harmony module, but I wonder if they remember that they are on VOX. They set a 5-minute timer, then said something about a "Rob Navias story." Whatever that means, they got a chuckle out of it.
Peggy tried calling down on air-to-ground 2, but they didnt hear her on the freq, they heard her through the HD audio, and told her.
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gordo - 9/2/2008 12:05 PM
getting the feeling that someone up there may not be too well
It happens. They have all the support they need up there.
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Alright, i take back the PAO silence thing. Things seem awfully quiet and we are oddly disconnected.
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Yeah...they were talking all over the hot mike when we didn't want them too...and now that there's nothing to hear they're not talking at all. :)
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Ronsmytheiii - 9/2/2008 1:09 PM
Alright, i take back the PAO silence thing. Things seem awfully quiet and we are oddly disconnected.
Looks like its handover to orbit-2 so the PAO must also be changing.
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Hi,
Is there any more info on the PMC thing?
The CBS news update said:
Earlier today, the shuttle crew requested a private medical conference, or PMC, a somewhat unusual request in the midst of a rendezvous. A followup PMC was asked for shortly after docking but NASA does not discuss medical issues because of privacy concerns and it was not known what might have prompted the brief conferences.
Ian
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That's about all we know. There's obviously a reason that it's private.
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Heading into Orbital Night.
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Okay, which one are they going to stick with? One mission its "Rendezvous Pitch Maneuver" the next it's "Rotational Pitch Maneuver"...
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I pick Rbar.
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I believe Chris clarified this a few missions ago, it's technically the R-Bar Pitch Maneuver. But I heard it as, I believe, Rotational during the briefing yesterday (MMT/Mission Status) and the PAO has been switching back and forth today too.
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ichilton - 9/2/2008 6:13 PM
Hi,
Is there any more info on the PMC thing?
The CBS news update said:
Earlier today, the shuttle crew requested a private medical conference, or PMC, a somewhat unusual request in the midst of a rendezvous. A followup PMC was asked for shortly after docking but NASA does not discuss medical issues because of privacy concerns and it was not known what might have prompted the brief conferences.
Ian
I heard a request from the crew for AG2 to be privatised, but they did not say it was for a PMC. That bit is speculation.
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ETEE - 9/2/2008 1:25 PM
I heard a request from the crew for AG2 to be privatised, but they did not say it was for a PMC. That bit is speculation.
There were at least two PMCs, one just before the RPM I believe and a second shortly before/after docking.
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Atlantis now in free drift, ISS taking over attitude control.
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According to the NASA TV schedule from Harwood, the hatch opening should start in four minutes. Bears watching to see how the crew looks physically and emotionally when they enter and greet the ISS crew.
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PMA hatch is open, go for equalization
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Go for pressure equalization.
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ETEE - 9/2/2008 10:25 AM
ichilton - 9/2/2008 6:13 PM
Hi,
Is there any more info on the PMC thing?
The CBS news update said:
Earlier today, the shuttle crew requested a private medical conference, or PMC, a somewhat unusual request in the midst of a rendezvous. A followup PMC was asked for shortly after docking but NASA does not discuss medical issues because of privacy concerns and it was not known what might have prompted the brief conferences.
Ian
I heard a request from the crew for AG2 to be privatised, but they did not say it was for a PMC. That bit is speculation.
Commander Frick specifically asked for air to ground two to be privatized for a "follow-up PMC". This was right after docking.
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ISS now has attitude control, confirmed by Atlantis.
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ETEE - 9/2/2008 1:25 PM
I heard a request from the crew for AG2 to be privatised, but they did not say it was for a PMC. That bit is speculation.
I thought I heard them say it was for a PMC.
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Hatch opening!!!!
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Opening hatch! Great job on the screen caps today, Ford Mustang and anyone else who contributed.
They also just said no KU for 11 min.
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11 minutes until KU, ISS going hot mic.
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Speedracer - 9/2/2008 12:35 PM
ETEE - 9/2/2008 1:25 PM
I heard a request from the crew for AG2 to be privatised, but they did not say it was for a PMC. That bit is speculation.
I thought I heard them say it was for a PMC.
I thought PMC's were a regularly scheduled event? Not necessarily anything wrong....
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Kel - 9/2/2008 6:38 PM
Speedracer - 9/2/2008 12:35 PM
ETEE - 9/2/2008 1:25 PM
I heard a request from the crew for AG2 to be privatised, but they did not say it was for a PMC. That bit is speculation.
I thought I heard them say it was for a PMC.
I thought PMC's were a regularly scheduled event? Not necessarily anything wrong....
Yes, but not during docking!
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Looks like we'll miss the hatch opening :(
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They are not regularly scheduled during rendezvous and docking. But I agree with ETEE, I don't specifically recall the word PMC being used. It's a good assumption that that's why they would privatize, but it is still speculation.
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Crew inside the Harmony module now.
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Would there be any other reason for privatized communications? I can think of private chats between astronauts and their families.
Looks like they're greeting each other with cheers!
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Hear lots of cheering!
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jmjawors - 9/2/2008 1:40 PM
They are not regularly scheduled during rendezvous and docking. But I agree with ETEE, I don't specifically recall the word PMC being used. It's a good assumption that that's why they would privatize, but it is still speculation.
No it's not, they specifically requested the privatization for PMCs.
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Live tracking, thanks to sts1canada, I was able to set up Orbitron and get very accurate tracking on my laptop. Also a nice feature as a "live" screensaver.
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Good, they will replay the video soon.
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ntschke - 9/2/2008 1:42 PM
Live tracking, thanks the sts1canada, I was able to set up Orbitron and get very accurate tracking on my laptop. Also a nice feature as a "live" screensaver.
Orbitron?
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AntiKev - 9/2/2008 12:41 PM
jmjawors - 9/2/2008 1:40 PM
They are not regularly scheduled during rendezvous and docking. But I agree with ETEE, I don't specifically recall the word PMC being used. It's a good assumption that that's why they would privatize, but it is still speculation.
No it's not, they specifically requested the privatization for PMCs.
OK. I stand corrected.
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Avron - 9/2/2008 7:44 PM
Orbitron?
http://www.stoff.pl/
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Avron - 9/2/2008 1:44 PM ntschke - 9/2/2008 1:42 PM Live tracking, thanks the sts1canada, I was able to set up Orbitron and get very accurate tracking on my laptop. Also a nice feature as a "live" screensaver.
Orbitron?
We can discuss in another location but it's a free ("cardware"-send him a postcard saying hi) application that lets you customize and add orbital elements, and track just about anything in the sky.
Maybe there's already a thread for this somehwere, if not I'll start one and ask sts1canada for his expertise...
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Glad to hear Nick that you got Orbitron working well for tracking, Orbitron is a satellite tracking program for Microsoft Windows to track the shuttle, ISS and other satellites. It is free and you can find out more about it here at this link below!
http://www.stoff.pl/
Richard
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Back with KU from the ISS:
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Blanket to blanket flap ...
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OMS:
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Is this not a bit unusual though - not showing any of the inside of the ISS after docking?
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It is mildly interesting, now that the docking port for the shuttle has moved further away from the truss, we get a different angle on the shuttle from this camera located there.
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More clear OMS shots:
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woods170 - 9/2/2008 2:00 PM
marshallsplace - 9/2/2008 7:55 PM
Is this not a bit unusual though - not showing any of the inside of the ISS after docking?
It is, but has probably something to do with the PMC.
Ronald
Probably, I wonder why though. If it's something more serious that just space sickness they probably wouldn't have opened the hatches.
Trying to keep on topic though, we are getting some nice shots of the OMS pod blanket.
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"Awaiting replay of hatch opening. Can not show at this time due to operational constraints." - PAO
Hmm...
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they said ealier on that live pics would be a prob,i think due to the orientation of the whole stack,
but ... MAAAN.. look at that view
JJ..
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According to PAO (or CAPCOM, not sure which) they were supposed to have Ku back 11 minutes or so after hatch open. This is a different issue, I don't want to draw any conclusions based on pure speculation, but if I were asked to guess I would say related to the PMCs that were going on earlier. I'm sure Chris has some information, but is not at liberty to say.
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Nice
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Didn't they do a 'pull test' on all the blankets? Perhaps they pulled a little too hard...
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Yes I am afraid the loss of KU before and during hatch opening was just bad timing as the complex was moving through the ZOE at that time and when KU through TDRS-West resumed, the ISS/shuttle crew were & are in the middle of the usual safety briefing which would be boring for us to watch (the crew is huddled together for the briefing), so that is why we have an 'Outside' KU shot right now ;)
Richard
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AntiKev - 9/2/2008 2:08 PM
According to PAO (or CAPCOM, not sure which) they were supposed to have Ku back 11 minutes or so after hatch open. This is a different issue, I don't want to draw any conclusions based on pure speculation, but if I were asked to guess I would say related to the PMCs that were going on earlier. I'm sure Chris has some information, but is not at liberty to say.
I can tell you that L2 has no information at this point regarding these operational constraints. However we're enjoying some lovely snapshots that were taken earlier today :)
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sts1canada - 9/2/2008 2:12 PM
...the ISS/shuttle crew were & are in the middle of the usual safety briefing which would be boring for us to watch (the crew is huddled together for the briefing)...
Wouldn't be boring for me! I know that!
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Hi,
Are the operational constraints that they are using the bandwidth for copying the images from the RPM and downlinking video of the hatch opening?
Ian
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Quindar - 9/2/2008 2:09 PM
Didn't they do a 'pull test' on all the blankets? Perhaps they pulled a little too hard...
Yes they did a pull test on the blankets on the front of the OMS pod after the problem with the blanket on STS-117, this one appears to a case of the stitches breaking free due to the airflow during launch due to wear and tear over the many flights of this OMS pod, the stitches are checked and this one may have appeared okay preflight but they gave away probably during MAX-Q (one minute after launch) when the air pressure, air flow over the shuttle is at its strongest. I expect to see this blanket pop up when we see the recovered SRB video later in the week.
Richard
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Operational constraints are likely to be that the ISS crew are a little busy completeing the checklist steps and safety briefing, so have not go time to go and rewind the tape and play it down
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SRMS in pre-grapple position.
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I'm tellin' you...they brought in some champagne and all the other stuff is just an excuse not to show it. ;)
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sts1canada - 9/2/2008 11:17 AM
Quindar - 9/2/2008 2:09 PM
Didn't they do a 'pull test' on all the blankets? Perhaps they pulled a little too hard...
Yes they did a pull test on the blankets on the front of the OMS pod after the problem with the blanket on STS-117, this one appears to a case of the stitches breaking free due to the airflow during launch due to wear and tear over the many flights of this OMS pod, the stitches are checked and this one may have appeared okay preflight but they gave away probably during MAX-Q (one minute after launch) when the air pressure, air flow over the shuttle is at its strongest. I expect to see this blanket pop up when we see the recovered SRB video later in the week.
Richard
I know OMS pods are swapped between orbiters... Are these the same pods as STS-117?
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triddirt - 9/2/2008 1:12 PM
AntiKev - 9/2/2008 2:08 PM
According to PAO (or CAPCOM, not sure which) they were supposed to have Ku back 11 minutes or so after hatch open. This is a different issue, I don't want to draw any conclusions based on pure speculation, but if I were asked to guess I would say related to the PMCs that were going on earlier. I'm sure Chris has some information, but is not at liberty to say.
I can tell you that L2 has no information at this point regarding these operational constraints. However we're enjoying some lovely snapshots that were taken earlier today :)
You mean the 10s of mbs of RPM images and a load more images on the OMS Pod etc. that are already on L2, of course. "lovely snaps" is totally underplaying things.
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Go to CNN.com and check out the headline for the shuttle docking article:
Shuttle arrives with pricey, late laboratory
Always count on the media to make the space program look good. ;)
(Bad URL - James).
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Yes this right hand OMS pod is known as RP01, it has now flown three times on Atlantis, STS-115, STS-117 & this flight STS-122, it has flown 36 times, this information is from the archives from Bill Harwood's Space Place website here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/currentglance.html#BACKGROUND
Look for the flight hardware diagram:
The left hand OMS pod is known as LP04, it has also flown three times on Atlantis, STS-115, STS-117 & this flight STS-122, it has flown 29 times.
Richard
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Inside the ISS with the HD cam!
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We had audio, but it cut out.
EDIT: Have to go for about an hour and a half, will be back soon!!
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Look at the monitor in the background
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My guess is the PAO and staff may quash that great live audio as it may be little too revealing for their tastes, Rob Navias stories not withstanding....
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punkboi - 9/2/2008 2:28 PM
Go to CNN.com and check out the headline for the shuttle docking article:
Shuttle arrives with pricey, late laboratory
I'm as much of a fan of the program(s) as anyone, but that's a fair summary as far as I'm concerned. Columbus has been massively expensive, and taken a very long time to finally reach orbit. I'm not assigning blame, just saying that the headline is fair. And further they could spend more on it and it would still be a far better use of taxpayer money than many other things that go into federal budgets. My 2 cents^H^H^H2 billion dollars ...
I'm very much looking forward to the briefing at the top of the hour where I'm sure the sudden PMC need will be covered, or at least asked about.
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Linebackers in space! :)
(actually I think he was a safety when he played, but linebacker sounds better ;) )
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HD.. nice source you can make out whats on the displays.. soon we will be able to read them...
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ntschke - 9/2/2008 11:42 AM
punkboi - 9/2/2008 2:28 PM Go to CNN.com and check out the headline for the shuttle docking article: Shuttle arrives with pricey, late laboratory Always count on the media to make the space program look good. ;) (Bad URL - James).
Mainstream news media are about as un-biased as Bill Clinton. Speaking of which, we'll see more of this kinda of negative talk about everything with the way this election is shaping up. Does anyone have a real guess as to which candidate is the "best" overall, as well as in regards to space exploration?
I would .... in a different thread.....
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The crew is at the robotics (ROBO) workstation getting ready to use the SSRMS (based right now on NODE 2) to grapple the OBSS and lift it out from the starboard (right) sill of Atlantis and hand it over to the SRMS so it (the OBSS) will be out of the way for tomorrow when Columbus is pulled out of the payload bay of Atlantis to be installed on ISS.
Richard
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Avron - 9/2/2008 11:44 AM
HD.. nice source you can make out whats on the displays.. soon we will be able to read them...
I can read something on one of the displays... It says, "WATCH OUT! BEHIND YOU! THEY CAN SEE YOU!"
And maybe Microsoft Clippy too, saying "It looks like you're trying to move the robotic arm, would you like help?" But I'm not sure.
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ChrisC - 9/2/2008 11:42 AM punkboi - 9/2/2008 2:28 PM Go to CNN.com and check out the headline for the shuttle docking article: Shuttle arrives with pricey, late laboratory
I'm as much of a fan of the program(s) as anyone, but that's a fair summary as far as I'm concerned. Columbus has been massively expensive, and taken a very long time to finally reach orbit. I'm not assigning blame, just saying that the headline is fair. And further they could spend more on it and it would still be a far better use of taxpayer money than many other things that go into federal budgets. My 2 cents^H^H^H2 billion dollars
Understood, but I still think it was unnecessary. They could've just said "Shuttle arrives with long-awaited science lab" or something. But then again, maybe it sounded too positive for mainstream news sites like CNN. :bleh:
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ChrisC - 9/2/2008 2:42 PM punkboi - 9/2/2008 2:28 PM Go to CNN.com and check out the headline for the shuttle docking article: Shuttle arrives with pricey, late laboratory
I'm as much of a fan of the program(s) as anyone, but that's a fair summary as far as I'm concerned. Columbus has been massively expensive, and taken a very long time to finally reach orbit. I'm not assigning blame, just saying that the headline is fair. And further they could spend more on it and it would still be a far better use of taxpayer money than many other things that go into federal budgets. My 2 cents^H^H^H2 billion dollars ... I'm very much looking forward to the briefing at the top of the hour where I'm sure the sudden PMC need will be covered, or at least asked about.
Yeah, but...16 years late? Sorry, its not like Columbus was ready 16 years ago and due to setbacks and re-design it sat in mothballs. The 500 yr anniversay would have been cool...but lets not pretend that it was built back then and is still using floppy disks and reel-to-reel tapes.
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Speaking of PR, Leland Melvin would make great PR for one of those NCAA commercials where they show how an athletic scholarship helped them prepare for the real world....
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Is it me or they're giving quite a crappy coverage since docking? They haven't shown any inside views except for the last few minutes, can't download the hatch opening and welcoming ceremony... HD cameras rock, but it's better if you broadcast the feed!
Anyway, the crew seem to be working hard, configuring the orbiter for the docked phase.
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Let's keep the chatter down to a minimum. A lot of people are extremely bored with the mass media debate, and also seem to forget that it's usually not CNN, or ABC etc.etc. It's ALL AP wire.
If there's a need, we can have a thread on the general section. Let's keep this clear for live event coverage.
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Please nasa!
Try to planning this next time so the astronauts boarding of the station not will happen when the ku is down!
If it´s possible.
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MKremer - 9/2/2008 2:43 PM
Linebackers in space! :)
(actually I think he was a safety when he played, but linebacker sounds better ;) )
actually, i'm pretty sure Leland played wide receiver.
J.Scott
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MSB on the way.
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James Lowe1 - 9/2/2008 7:54 PM
Let's keep the chatter down to a minimum. A lot of people are extremely bored with the mass media debate, and also seem to forget that it's usually not CNN, or ABC etc.etc. It's ALL AP wire.
If there's a need, we can have a thread on the general section. Let's keep this clear for live event coverage.
The raw wire copy mentions "....after years of delay" the grabbing headlines are all CNN etc...
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Hey, that ESA sign is larger than the NASA one
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Avron - 9/2/2008 9:00 PM
Hey, that ESA sign is larger than the NASA one
Maybe bacause ESA spents more bucks on this misson ;)
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Hah, that good to see. :--D
They're talking about the tear now, seems to be because of some bad aerodynamics as far as I heard.
But it isn't anything unusual
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And of course the questions start off with blanket concerns...
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Question on tile damage on the nose cap - Where did that come from?
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I'm getting a nice buzz. FD thinks this is quite a bit smaller than the STS-117 tear. Harwood's up :) Asking about the GNC issue. Atta boy Bill.
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Good question from Bill Harwood on carrying a spare GPC - One is not carried as they carry five.
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Confirmed the PMC, but wasn't aware of any issue.
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Sounds like the privatized call was from CDR.
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Expected Question regarding crew health... Non committal answer.
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Hmm, pretty much dismissed any health concerns. But he's yet to hear any details...hopefully everyone is fine and the apple is green.
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Obviously, by the questions the AP and other story concentration over the next news period will be that dang tear.
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FD's handling these questions very well. Not speculating at all...giving the answers with the knowledge he has and nothing more. This is excellent. He sounds extremely optimistic about everything that's going on.
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ntschke - 9/2/2008 8:13 PM
Hmm, pretty much dismissed any health concerns. But he's yet to hear any details...hopefully everyone is fine and the apple is green.
I would have thought that anything to do with a crew members health is confidential and thus he cant say anything if he did know?
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nathan.moeller - 9/2/2008 3:15 PM
FD's handling these questions very well. Not speculating at all...giving the answers with the knowledge he has and nothing more. This is excellent. He sounds extremely optimistic about everything that's going on.
We'll get more of the same questions at the post MMT briefing with John Shannon.
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Gary - 9/2/2008 2:17 PM
paulbacon - 9/2/2008 8:16 PM
ntschke - 9/2/2008 8:13 PM
Hmm, pretty much dismissed any health concerns. But he's yet to hear any details...hopefully everyone is fine and the apple is green.
I would have thought that anything to do with a crew members health is confidential and thus he cant say anything if he did know?
He shouldn't know. a PMC is exactly that - Private.
That's why he said everyone is doing fine as far as he knows. Briefing concluding.
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SSRMS has captured OBSS
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Mood of the briefing was very reserved but professional, pressing ahead.
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Gary - 9/2/2008 8:19 PM
Seems that the blanket is the BIG news simply because everything else is ticking over quite nicely.
Well obviously, but it is big news as per TPS inspections. It was noted last night (Houston). We gained info and images this morning (GMT) and ran with it, but other media are just now catching up, so the amount of questions are expected.
This will be ongoing as they work on if it requires a focused inspection and a special EVA repair.
Part and parcel of a shuttle mission. They'll fix it if they need to.
What I would note is it won't be the biggest news of the mission.
Will be writing a second article on this based on additional information.
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Gary - 9/2/2008 8:19 PM
Seems that the blanket is the BIG news simply because everything else is ticking over quite nicely.
3 small pieces of foam falling off at launch was massive news for some news channels. They wont report anything good to have come from this mission, so have to report negative things, despite how small of an issue
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psloss - 9/2/2008 3:18 PM
nathan.moeller - 9/2/2008 3:15 PM
FD's handling these questions very well. Not speculating at all...giving the answers with the knowledge he has and nothing more. This is excellent. He sounds extremely optimistic about everything that's going on.
We'll get more of the same questions at the post MMT briefing with John Shannon.
I agree 100%, Maybe it just me, but other than Bill Harwood's question, all the questions asked at this briefing were much more appropriate for the MMT briefing this afternoon with John Shannon, not the daily MSB; TPS issues have no bearing to the matters that should be discussed at the MSB. I wish the NASA PAO would make it more clear to the media beforehand to ask mission activity questions to the MSB briefers only and leave the technical TPS questions to the MMT briefers. Anyways, I don't want to move this thread away from FD 3 coverage, so I'm going back to watch the mission.
Richard
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OV-107 - 9/2/2008 1:55 PM
Please nasa!
Try to planning this next time so the astronauts boarding of the station not will happen when the ku is down!
If it´s possible.
Umm, no. It's possible, but requires prox ops stationkeeping, and therefore will not be done because it's a waste of time and prop. Ku is not a requirement. Period.
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OBSS unberthed
OV-107 - I'd like to see the TV coverage planned as well, but you have to understand that these missions are extremely busy and must be planned around necessary flight operations. IMO, it's EXTREMELY gracious of NASA to go through the trouble of having a PAO that allows us to watch all of this as it is.
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The OBSS is being unberthed by Leland Melvin using the ROBO station inside the Destiny lab from the starboard still of Atlantis and handed over to the SRMS so it can be parked overnight and for tomorrow's Columbus unberthing activities.
Richard
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Wow, the video from inside Destiny is really sharp -- is that a HD camera? Even if its being downconverted, it still looks great.
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We're getting some awesome shots of the OBSS unberth. Can anyone grab a screenshot?
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FYI CDR Steve Strick being called to privatized Air-to-Ground 2...
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PAO announcing that the post MMT briefing has been moved up to 4 pm Eastern (20 minutes from now).
Edit -- adding a couple of stills of the OBSS handoff from the KSC server relay...
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Yes the images from the Lab are coming from a portable HD camera during this mission, these are sharpest views we have ever had inside the lab, you can almost read the computer screens ;)
Today's FD 3 MMT mission status briefing has been moved up to 3 PM CST, 4 PM EST, 9 PM GMT with John Shannon, get ready for round 2 of TPS questions.
Richard
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View from Starboard side
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sts1canada - 9/2/2008 3:42 PM
Yes the images from the Lab are coming from a portable HD camera during this mission, these are sharpest views we have ever had inside the lab, you can almost read the computer screens ;)
Thanks, Richard...I've seen the downconverted HD feeds during the weekday ISS coverage, but what I've seen was relayed in 16:9 vs. the 4:3 today...
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psloss - 9/2/2008 3:36 PM Wow, the video from inside Destiny is really sharp -- is that a HD camera? Even if its being downconverted, it still looks great.
Yep, its been easy to tell when its Hd (DCd or not). Picture, colors clarity are all more life-like.
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Are there any exterior HD cameras? Indoors is great, but outside has the view!
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nathan.moeller - 9/2/2008 9:34 PM
OBSS unberthed
OV-107 - I'd like to see the TV coverage planned as well, but you have to understand that these missions are extremely busy and must be planned around necessary flight operations. IMO, it's EXTREMELY gracious of NASA to go through the trouble of having a PAO that allows us to watch all of this as it is.
I understand that of course. ;)
I only shared my own thoughts.
But now the entrance of the station is out of interest, at least for me. The mission on the station has started and now we all focus on that!
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Now who is driving?
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All those beautifull HD shots, and I am stuck here with 150k NASA TV, we Europeans should start lettercampaigns to various satellite tv providers!
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The shuttle RMS is now about ready to grapple the OBSS and then move it over to 'hang' away from the left payload bay door of Atlantis into an overnight park position.
Richard
Around 12 minutes to go to the scheduled MMT briefing for today.
Richard
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Thanks Avron for the great shots.
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ckiki lwai - 9/2/2008 3:48 PM
All those beautifull HD shots, and I am stuck here with 150k NASA TV, we Europeans should start lettercampaigns to various satellite tv providers!
They are all standard res shots.. but off the bird at 119 W 300KB/s when I last looks at that the PID feed rate..
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RMS moving in for grapple of OBSS
EDIT: Grappled
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Now moving in towards grapple of the OBSS by the SRMS, the SSRMS is holding on to the OBSS in the middle part of the OBSS.
It is great to see the two Canadarms at work!
Richard
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Both arms have the boom
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Go for OBSS Ungrapple by Station arm..
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SSRMS being commanded to release OBSS
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Hmmm, some big picture stuff...EVA-1 postponed 24 hours...
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WOW... Somebody must not be feeling good... Changes to the EVA plan...
EVA1 Delay 24 Hrs. Stan takes over for HANS
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Go for SSRMS OBSS ungrapple, the OBSS will soon be moved away from over the payload bay, clearing the way now for tomorrow's unberthing of Columbus after the spacewalkers tomorrow attach a PDGF to Columbus for the SSRMS to grapple to, right now the SSRMS cannot grapple Columbus because it does not have a grapple fixture.
Richard
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I would guess there's a connection between these EVA/flight plan changes and the privatized discussions...
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Stan Love is taking EVA 1.
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psloss - 9/2/2008 3:59 PM
I would guess there's a connection between these EVA/flight plan changes and the privatized discussions...
Gotta be... Gonna be some hot questions at the Post MMT..
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Ungappled
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That would explain the unusual PMC calls earlier today, but due to crew medical privacy rules, that is all we will find out which is normal, I wish everyone on orbit my best wishes to take care and I hope everyone will be okay.
Richard
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Today's MMT briefing will be slightly delayed, probably due to this late breaking development, I wonder how well the EVA crew members are cross trained to do each other tasks, I am sure they are cross trained well, but it is something that we don't hear about too often. I believe this is the first time during a shuttle flight that a backup EVAer has to take over for a prime EVA crew member for a EVA AFTER the shuttle is on-orbit. :(
Richard
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OV-107 - 9/2/2008 2:00 PM
Stan Love is taking EVA 1.
From whom?
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Poor Columbus... Another day stuck in the payload bay..
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Interesting, are they "cross-trained" so that one member could replace another on an EVA? Or is that only done as a last resort?
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schlegel bio
Schlegel is 56 years old, here is some bio data:
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/schlegel.html and
http://www.spacefacts.de/bios/international/english/schlegel_hans.htm
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Lee Jay - 9/2/2008 4:06 PM
OV-107 - 9/2/2008 2:00 PM
Stan Love is taking EVA 1.
From whom?
I believe it is from Hans, this is his first spaceflight since 1993.
Richard
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Wonder if the image analysis teams and program(s) could be ready to set up focused inspections tomorrow as a substitute...
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MMT Briefing
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MMT MSB briefing starting with Navias and Shannon
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"Today's MMT briefing will be slightly delayed, probably due to this late breaking development, I wonder how well the EVA crew members are cross trained to do each other tasks, I am sure they are cross trained well, but it is something that we don't hear about too often. I believe this is the first time during a shuttle flight that a backup EVAer has to take over for a prime EVA crew member for a EVA AFTER the shuttle is on-orbit. "
Not cross trained per se. But Stan did the robotics during the EVA 1 NBL runs with Hans.
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This delay in EVA 1 will probably use up the 1 mission extension day available preflight for STS-122.
MMT briefing starting now!
Richard
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Lee Jay - 9/2/2008 4:06 PM OV-107 - 9/2/2008 2:00 PM Stan Love is taking EVA 1.
From whom?
According to the mission plan, it was supposed to be Wallheim and Schlegel.
Is there anyone we HAVEN'T seen yet today?
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Not expecting any focused inspections of RCC. Results expected at 7 pm CST tonight.
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Excellent diagrams and comparisons. Shannon not expecting this to be an issue. Now touching on the GNC issue.
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Computer problem was caused by the computer not starting up correctly. A dump of the meory state will be downlinked and then the computer will (basically) be rebooted.
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Poor Hans if it´s him.
Hope he will be better fast.
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Pad 'best it's ever looked post launch.' Looking great for mating Endeavour next week. SRB performace was excellent.
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Now getting to the medical issue
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Shannon on medical issue - "No impact to mission but activities will be rearranged". Obviously not giving any details.
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Medical issue with the crew apparently. Was discussed during the rendezvous. Not going to impact mission. Some schedule rearranging expected. Love replaces Schlegel on EVA-1.
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SRB's in port - SRB video expected by Tues eve.
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Confirmed: Hans Schlegel not on EVA 1 and reason for PMC's.
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First mission extension day added.
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They are doing a little more aggressive orbiter powerdowns to be able to get a second extension day.
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Bill asking if the medical issue involves Schlegel and if it's life threatening. Shannon won't say who and it's not life or mission threatening. Mark pressing for details on the issue but Shannon correctly holds his ground.
Shannon is excellent with briefings. He gives the information he has while respecting the necessary privacy of the crew and issues.
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Well at least it's not a life threatening issue and a mission ending issue.
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Irene wins the dumb question award... I'll take follow up in the dumb media thread..
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Gary - 9/2/2008 4:20 PM
great answer from John Shannon in response to press wanting more info on the medical problem - His answer "no".
After the first no, Shannon's expression for the follow up was priceless.
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woods170 - 9/2/2008 3:17 PM
Confirmed: Hans Schlegel not on EVA 1 and reason for PMC's.
It's confirmed that he's not on EVA 1, but not that he's the one who's ill. We can assume it for obvious reasons, but Shannon's not confirming anything.
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Hans Schlegel is probabbly sugffering a bit of space sickness, you don't what him throwing up in the suit during an EVA, so they will park him. It could be he feels great tomorrow and goes back in as the EVA member in 2 days time, Remember Rusty S in Apollo 9
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I guess this is what Chris was talking about. Right? ;) Gurantee, this will be in the first minutes of the national news broadcasts tonight.
BTW, I can not reply and/or send new PMs/messages on this site. Anyone else tried or had this issue?
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Good question regarding specifics on the Group B powerdown... John is happy to move off the medical issue..
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Shannon also noted that the downstream EVAs are still to be discussed. It may be that a little more time improve the situation...
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Great question about powerdown procedures. Then an 'is the condition contagious' question.
'You guys can fish all day but I won't bite.' AWESOME!! Go Shannon!
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LOL -- Shannon: "You guys can fish all day, but I won't bite."
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LOL! Gotta love it! "You guys can fish all day...but I won't bite".
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ntschke - 9/2/2008 9:25 PM
LOL! Gotta love it! "You guys can fish all day...but I won't bite".
I'd feel really awkward being in a room with him asking about space sickness! ;)
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Seriously, I understand that it's the responsibility of the press to fish here, but I think the personal privacy policies inside and outside NASA and the government are fairly strict. And I believe they have changed since the STS-36 situation, which was 18 years ago this month. These are probably easy questions for Shannon to NOT answer.
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Media missing the point that John Shannon stated that mission is not impacted.
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psloss - 9/2/2008 4:27 PM
Seriously, I understand that it's the responsibility of the press to fish here, but I think the personal privacy policies inside and outside NASA and the government are fairly strict. And I believe they have changed since the STS-36 situation, which was 18 years ago this month. These are probably easy questions for Shannon to NOT answer.
What happened on STS-36? That's a mission that Mike Mullane was on. It's been a while since I read his book, but I don't recall anything specific...
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Gary - 9/2/2008 9:28 PM
Shannon is still not answering.
He shouldn't need to! The press are being really stupid - why don't they realise that if Shannon says no to one person, then he's not going to change his mind for anyone else!
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el_nino - 9/2/2008 3:30 PM
psloss - 9/2/2008 4:27 PM
Seriously, I understand that it's the responsibility of the press to fish here, but I think the personal privacy policies inside and outside NASA and the government are fairly strict. And I believe they have changed since the STS-36 situation, which was 18 years ago this month. These are probably easy questions for Shannon to NOT answer.
What happened on STS-36? That's a mission that Mike Mullane was on. It's been a while since I read his book, but I don't recall anything specific...
Mission was delayed due to illness of the CDR.
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Wondering if we have any sources in the briefing room... Now that the cameras are off I wonder if the media is continuing to poke at the medical issue..
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el_nino - 9/2/2008 4:30 PM
What happened on STS-36? That's a mission that Mike Mullane was on. It's been a while since I read his book, but I don't recall anything specific...
If I recall correctly, that was discussed in the book.
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nathan.moeller - 9/2/2008 4:30 PM
Mission was delayed due to illness of the CDR.
Oh, was that the one they were talking about? It's been a long time and my memory is fuzzy.
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The press will probably be bugging ESA for info about the medical issue, given the last few questions...
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el_nino - 9/2/2008 3:31 PM
nathan.moeller - 9/2/2008 4:30 PM
Mission was delayed due to illness of the CDR.
Oh, was that the one they were talking about? It's been a long time and my memory is fuzzy.
Yep. And John Shannon wins MSB Response of the Mission Award.
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I didn't know Shannon could Tap-Dance but he dodged every medical question with a lively step.
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Kel - 9/2/2008 4:32 PM
The press will probably be bugging ESA for info about the medical issue, given the last few questions...
Yeah; no idea what their medical disclosure laws are, but I believe that here in the U.S. there is a legal obligation to withhold that information (particularly without consent).
I would be incredibly surprised if Mr. Schlegel is NOT asked about this by the press, assuming he takes part in any upcoming PAO event.
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In the U.S. we have the law called HIPAA - it's a patient privacy protection act, I think it applies to all doctors, nurses, medical personnel, and medical facilities.
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Just a couple of thoughts.
It's possible that no one is sick. Dan Tani was informed about his mother via a Private Medical Conference or something similar. I sort of doubt that's the case here because the crew called for the conference but it's possible.
It's possible Hans isn't the one with the health issue. Rather, he could be the one best suited to replace the person who is sick, and Stan Love is the best suited to replace him.
The point being that we shouldn't just assume, based on the circumstantial evidence we have, that Hans is sick. That might very well be the case, but we just don't really know at this point. Either way, the combined crew will find a way to get the job done.
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seem to be in a loop right now
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I guess this explains why no video was shown of the Atlantis crew arrival on ISS.
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Gary - 9/2/2008 3:34 PM
Quindar - 9/2/2008 9:33 PM
I didn't know Shannon could Tap-Dance but he dodged every medical question with a lively step.
I didn't think he dodged them he simply said "No". Perfect answer, leaves no room to work around it.
Indeed. These guys don't dodge anything. They're straight forward with answers, even if that answer is a simple 'no.'
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Heh -- Steve Robinson talking with the orbiter about power consumption. Asked about the COAS (I believe) being on and to turn it off. :)
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TJL - 9/2/2008 4:37 PM
I guess this explains why no video was shown of the Atlantis crew arrival on ISS.
TJL you may have a good point regarding the video.
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psloss - 9/2/2008 3:27 PM
Seriously, I understand that it's the responsibility of the press to fish here, but I think the personal privacy policies inside and outside NASA and the government are fairly strict. And I believe they have changed since the STS-36 situation, which was 18 years ago this month. These are probably easy questions for Shannon to NOT answer.
Very true. The law is called HIPAA and it passed after STS-36.
http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/hipaa/
Bottom line is that Shannon behaved properly. He wasn't about to violate federal law during a televised press conference.
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If there are any European PAO events then Hans might get asked. Its then his call is he says what was wrong.
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Just a question: Wasn't Hans relaying messages while RPM? I'm quite sure I heard him this day.
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I don't know, this seems like pure speculation. There was bad communication that prevented it from being televised live, but I'm also wondering why I didn't see a replay later unless I just happened to miss it. I doubt there was anything like bringing in Hans on a stretcher or anything like that. He may have just stayed behind or floated in and past everyone. If anyone thinks this is the first time an astronaut has been ill on docking day, they'd be mistaken, so I wouldn't read too much into it at this point. About half of rookies OR astronauts who haven't flown in many years will get sick. Older astronauts get it worse so far as I know.
TJL - 9/2/2008 4:37 PM
I guess this explains why no video was shown of the Atlantis crew arrival on ISS.
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Interesting to see Phil Englelhauf (spelling?), director of the MOD talking to the Flight Director Orbit 2, Tony Ceccacci right now, as CAPCOM Steve Robinson talks to the crew on orbit about some housekeeping tasks etc. It would be interesting to hear what options they would be discussing regarding re planning the time lines.
Richard
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Patients are not boung by HIPPA or the European law. That is to say, if the sick astronaut wants to make a statement, he's free to do so. I rather expect something from the crew regarding this. They know the world will be concerned about it.
gordo - 9/2/2008 4:44 PM
If there are any European PAO events then Hans might get asked. Its then his call is he says what was wrong.
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Hans might not be very ill. The concern is vomiting. If there is ANY chance of an astronaut puking in his/her EVA suit, the spacewalk will be delayed, period no matter what. During an EVA, vomit can be deadly.
gordo - 9/2/2008 4:44 PM
If there are any European PAO events then Hans might get asked. Its then his call is he says what was wrong.
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Will this effect the landing date or no impact?
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Gary - 9/2/2008 3:12 PM
Good question from Bill Harwood on carrying a spare GPC - One is not carried as they carry five.
He is referring to a 6th one.
A 6th one was carried on several missions for awhile. it was stowed and would required a sawp out
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Justin Wheat - 9/2/2008 9:52 PM
Will this effect the landing date or no impact?
Only in if they want to use the extra days contingency.
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Justin Wheat - 9/2/2008 9:52 PM
Will this effect the landing date or no impact?
we've got a one day extention and no doubt another if the crew save on the cryo
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On FD 5 (monday) there is a PAO event scheduled with Hans.......
Hans has been in space before (STS-55) so he knows what it is like up there..and probably what it feels like to get sick....
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The hippocratic oath and patient confidentiality means that nothing is divulged without explicit permission of the patient. I work in medical education, so I'm surrounded by a world of consent forms, data protection act and patient confidentiality on a regular basis
They've just asked Peggy to replay the hatch opening once they get Ku AOS.
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Hatch Opening Playback coming on the next Ku pass...
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sts1canada - 9/2/2008 10:48 PM
Interesting to see Phil Englelhauf (spelling?), director of the MOD talking to the Flight Director Orbit 2, Tony Ceccacci right now, as CAPCOM Steve Robinson talks to the crew on orbit about some housekeeping tasks etc. It would be interesting to hear what options they would be discussing regarding re planning the time lines.
Richard
That's not the responsibility of MOD. It's the responsibility of the FAO(Flight Activities Officer).
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I remember when the policy change happened and NASA explaining why they had to change to follow the new law. Fact is, Shannon was following the letter of the law. He had no choice but to answer "no". If he had given any specifics, then he would not only lose his job but he would have broken the law.
It's a cut and dry legal issue. Medical information is legally protected private information and not to be disclosed to the public without consent, even if it's an astronaut.
By the way, it sure doesn't sound to me like the crew is overly concerned about the mission "impact". If an astronaut was seriously ill, it would be evident in the downlink. "Common sense" over-rules speculation.
Jorge - 9/2/2008 4:40 PM
psloss - 9/2/2008 3:27 PM
Seriously, I understand that it's the responsibility of the press to fish here, but I think the personal privacy policies inside and outside NASA and the government are fairly strict. And I believe they have changed since the STS-36 situation, which was 18 years ago this month. These are probably easy questions for Shannon to NOT answer.
Very true. The law is called HIPAA and it passed after STS-36.
http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/hipaa/
Bottom line is that Shannon behaved properly. He wasn't about to violate federal law during a televised press conference.
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landofgrey - 9/2/2008 2:49 PM
Patients are not boung by HIPPA or the European law. That is to say, if the sick astronaut wants to make a statement, he's free to do so. I rather expect something from the crew regarding this. They know the world will be concerned about it.
That's very possible. Remember when John Glenn came back in the Shuttle? As I recall, the crew were late coming out, and none of them would say a word about it. But when John himself was asked, he just said very frankly something to the effect, "I was inside vomiting".
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Hatch opening video replay is coming soon...
And how about all sickness theories start a new thread?
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Regarding the hatch opening coverage, the shuttle/ISS complex were in a period of NO KU comm (no television coverage available) while passing through the ZOE at the time of hatch opening, only S-Band audio was available and even that was spotty through TDRS-Z. However the crew sounded very happy at the initial hatch opening, however the comm (voice & internal video) was blacked out shortly after as the STS crew informed the ISS crew of the PMC matters with the STS crew and the safety briefing was longer than usual due to these factors.
The videotape of the hatch opening will be download soon to the ground as asked by the ISS CAPCOM to Peggy on ISS.
Richard
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Shannon wasn't entirely clear at first... the one official mission extension day IS being used. It's being inserted into Sunday and everything that was scheduled for tomorrow to EOM is being slipped one day.
Landing will be on the 19th now, unless another extension day is made possible and used. I was hoping it would be the 18th since that's rollout day for Endeavour and I was hoping to have rollout and landing on the same day since that means I would only have to make one drive to KSC for both.
gordo - 9/2/2008 4:54 PM
Justin Wheat - 9/2/2008 9:52 PM
Will this effect the landing date or no impact?
we've got a one day extention and no doubt another if the crew save on the cryo
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DaveS - 9/2/2008 4:55 PM
sts1canada - 9/2/2008 10:48 PM
Interesting to see Phil Englelhauf (spelling?), director of the MOD talking to the Flight Director Orbit 2, Tony Ceccacci right now, as CAPCOM Steve Robinson talks to the crew on orbit about some housekeeping tasks etc. It would be interesting to hear what options they would be discussing regarding re planning the time lines.
Richard
That's not the responsibility of MOD. It's the responsibility of the FAO(Flight Activities Officer).
Okay I stand corrected, but I was just pointing out that it is not common to see Phil who is part of the MOD talk directly to the flight director while he/she is currently on shift, that is all.
Richard
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Thanks for this info. I missed the call.
sts1canada - 9/2/2008 4:56 PM
The videotape of the hatch opening will be download soon to the ground as asked by the ISS CAPCOM to Peggy on ISS.
Richard
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hopper - 9/2/2008 10:44 PM
Just a question: Wasn't Hans relaying messages while RPM? I'm quite sure I heard him this day.
I also reacted on that. I´m pretty shure I heard his english with clear german accent during the docking. If it is him who is ill, maybe he isn´t to ill to work on things inside the station and the shuttle.
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I checked again the stream. Hans was talking while RPM. There's a clear "Thanks for relaying, Hans." response.
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I don't wish to speculate but before this thread gets too off topic, the concern would most likely be that the affected crewmember has bouts of SAS and then he feels fine unless he moves rapidly.They don't wish for him to get perodic bouts of SAS while in an EVA suit, that would be VERY dangerous situation if that happened. That is all I will say about this matter, let us turn our focus to the actual mission at hand as this flight day starts to wind down.
Richard
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landofgrey - 9/2/2008 3:58 PM
Shannon wasn't entirely clear at first... the one official mission extension day IS being used. It's being inserted into Sunday and everything that was scheduled for tomorrow to EOM is being slipped one day.
The delay gives Love a chance to cram for the EVA, plus make any different suit prep's for him (if needed).
Very true it might not be that bad for Hans, just the precaution of him not being 100%. He could be fine in plenty of time to take part in the 2nd EVA.
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Chris, do you have anything on what is his sickness?
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Paul Howard - 9/2/2008 10:18 PM
Chris, do you have anything on what is his sickness?
No. But we mainly concentrate on the vehicles here.
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Paul Howard - 9/2/2008 4:18 PM
Chris, do you have anything on what is his sickness?
You should know better than to ask that! :bleh:
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Viewing hatch opening replay
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Nice -- they're downlinking the replay w/audio...
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Oh my Peggy said "all the way to the axx-end" lol. I wonder how long the HD audio will be used before someone questions if it's a good idea or not.
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"however the comm (voice & internal video) was blacked out shortly after as the STS crew informed the ISS crew of the PMC matters with the STS crew and the safety briefing was longer than usual due to these factors. "
Absolutely not correct. Nothing was blacked out.
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I love the audio! Gives a greater sense of reality to the event.
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Heh -- listening to Dan describe watching the launch on NetMeeting to the "launch-ees"
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"Okay I stand corrected, but I was just pointing out that it is not common to see Phil who is part of the MOD talk directly to the flight director while he/she is currently on shift, that is all. "
The MOD is there to explain to the flight director what is going on in the management meetings and act as a relay or protective wall as needed.
Once given official direction, the FAO, under direction of the FD will begin replanning.
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"I don't wish to speculate but before this thread gets too off topic, the concern would most likely be that the affected crewmember has bouts of SAS and then he feels fine unless he moves rapidly."
Not corect and why it is not good to speculate.
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New guys orientation. :cool:
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In playback someone is losing their voice, Dan even commented....
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It's really interesting to see this video, more than I remember NASA usually having for public consumption. Hans is probably just wondering where the barf bags are.
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"Wasn't Hans relaying messages while RPM? I'm quite sure I heard him this day."
No, he wasn't.
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Seems everyone accounted for...... Couldn't tell if Hans was OK or not...
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nathan.moeller - 8/2/2008 10:30 PM
I love the audio! Gives a greater sense of reality to the event.
Couldn't agree more - 'hearing' what the station is really like makes it feel like much more of a 'place' rather than the normal loops audio which makes it feel like an 'activity'.
Doug
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Remember STS-118 landing? The crew had no problems mentioning Barbara was feeling bad, even before she mentioned it at the news conference. Barbara didn't mind talking about it and even said it was an interesting experience. Gotta love teachers.
PAO needs to shut up and let us listen to the crew otherwise what's the point?
Lee Jay - 9/2/2008 4:55 PM
landofgrey - 9/2/2008 2:49 PM
Patients are not boung by HIPPA or the European law. That is to say, if the sick astronaut wants to make a statement, he's free to do so. I rather expect something from the crew regarding this. They know the world will be concerned about it.
That's very possible. Remember when John Glenn came back in the Shuttle? As I recall, the crew were late coming out, and none of them would say a word about it. But when John himself was asked, he just said very frankly something to the effect, "I was inside vomiting".
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Playback resumes..
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Playback started again:
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landofgrey - 9/2/2008 5:28 PM
Oh my Peggy said "all the way to the axx-end" lol. I wonder how long the HD audio will be used before someone questions if it's a good idea or not.
She said "aft", not what you are thinking. These are professionals.
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Yeah, I know... it sounded like it could be something else. I've just been paying attention to the HD when it's on because it's completely open to anything the crew says. On the air/space to ground loops, you only hear what they're saying when they key the mic. For the HD, you hear everything, like when there's a hot mic left open. It adds to the experience but the astronauts have to be more careful about what they say in passing when they're not thinking about it. I know I'd get in trouble for one too many verbal bombs.
ChrisC - 9/2/2008 5:38 PM
landofgrey - 9/2/2008 5:28 PM
Oh my Peggy said "all the way to the axx-end" lol. I wonder how long the HD audio will be used before someone questions if it's a good idea or not.
She said "aft", not what you are thinking. These are professionals.
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erioladastra - 9/2/2008 5:29 PM
"however the comm (voice & internal video) was blacked out shortly after as the STS crew informed the ISS crew of the PMC matters with the STS crew and the safety briefing was longer than usual due to these factors. "
Absolutely not correct. Nothing was blacked out.
We are splitting hairs here, the A/G channel was privatized after hatch opening so no internal comm between the crew and the medical officials could be heard on the public A/G channel. To me that is a "blackout" until the A/G was not privatized. Sure we still had KU during that time showing the outside of the ISS using cameras on the ISS, but we had absolutely NO voice comm until the the A/G channel was unprivatized. That is all that I meant by my statement of 'blackout'.
Richard
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All cameras and monitors switched off by crew to save power. Ground has option to turn them on to 'take a look around' but needs to power them off when they're done.
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If I'm not mistaken, even though Hans is a German citizen, he's under the care of American doctors and so HIPPA applies in this case.
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Thanks to those who are providing pics. The resolution is awesome :)
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RMS ops:
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Hm... asked if the mic was hot and then they unplugged the mic.
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Now a replay of the centerline docking camera, looking to PMA-2.
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I felt like I was up there in the ISS while watching that video. Did anyone think the ambient noise level was louder in the Zvezda module than it was in the Harmony node?
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Thanks for keeping up with the screencaps, Ford. :)
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MKremer - 9/2/2008 5:59 PM
Thanks for keeping up with the screencaps, Ford. :)
Not a problem, highly enjoying it! ;)
SSRMS near Columbus
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GoForTLI - 9/2/2008 5:57 PM
I felt like I was up there in the ISS while watching that video. Did anyone think the ambient noise level was louder in the Zvezda module than it was in the Harmony node?
It probably is...the decibel levels in Zarya and Zvezda were stories back at the beginning of the decade. (Google on "noise in Zvezda" if you're curious.)
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Well I think we can say this has been a more eventful FD 3 then we expected earlier this morning, hopefully the rest of the FDs will be "less eventful" ;)
Richard
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I hope this is the "high point" of unexpected eventfulness for the mission
sts1canada - 9/2/2008 6:01 PM
Well I think we can say this has been a more eventful FD 3 then we expected earlier this morning, hopefully the rest of the FDs will be "less eventful" ;)
Richard
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Humm....
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"We are splitting hairs here, the A/G channel was privatized after hatch opening so no internal comm between the crew and the medical officials could be heard on the public A/G channel. To me that is a "blackout" until the A/G was not privatized. Sure we still had KU during that time showing the outside of the ISS using cameras on the ISS, but we had absolutely NO voice comm until the the A/G channel was unprivatized. That is all that I meant by my statement of 'blackout'. "
But that is not correct. ONE A/G channel was privatized for a medical conference. THRE other A/G loops were available. Video was not affected at all except we did not have Ku at the time. Far cry from a black out.
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"Did anyone think the ambient noise level was louder in the Zvezda module than it was in the Harmony node?"
Yes, it is ALWAYS much higher.
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Looking over my notes, this is not the first crew member to be replaced on an ISS EVA.
Back in January 2003, EXP-6 flight engineer Don Pettit replaced Nicolai Budarin due to medical concerns.
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Bumped and lost the firewire connection. Replay started again!
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Replay of MSB with Shannon coming up. Can anybody snag that clip of him and his 'fish all day/I won't bite' quote? :)
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nathan.moeller - 9/2/2008 6:14 PM
Replay of MSB with Shannon coming up. Can anybody snag that clip of him and his 'fish all day/I won't bite' quote? :)
Will do. Recording the whole thing. :)
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Warned people about this before and seen as some didn't listen, I'm deleting this thread back to the LIVE UPDATES FOR THIS FLIGHT DAY.
Thanks!
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PAO just replaying audio after noting that Dan Tani and Leo Eyharts have completed the main parts of the crew member exchange. So now Tani is part of the STS-122 crew and Eyharts is part of the Expedition 16 crew. This was moved up as part of the replanned timeline.
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They're saying Tani's Soyuz seat liner will be stored in Columbus so it can be returned on a later shuttle flight, as there's not really any place for it to come home on Atlantis this time.
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Eyharts is the first ESA Expedition crewmember.
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Thomas Reiter was under contract to NASA and not considered an ESA crewmember.
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landofgrey - 10/2/2008 4:43 PM
Eyharts is the first ESA Expedition crewmember.
Except for Reiter.
Michael Cassutt
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I think this pretty much wraps up FD3. They're just replaying in-cabin and in-station videos of rendezvous and docking operations.
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docking
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nathan.moeller - 9/2/2008 6:14 PM
Replay of MSB with Shannon coming up. Can anybody snag that clip of him and his 'fish all day/I won't bite' quote? :)
Here it is! :cool:
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landofgrey - 10/2/2008 4:45 PM
Thomas Reiter was under contract to NASA and not considered an ESA crewmember.
A statement directly contradicted by both his NASA bio and his ESA one, where is identified as taking part in ESA's first long-duration ISS mission.
MC
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There was some confusion about Reiter. He does come from ESA and is an ESA astronaut. However, for Expedition 14, he was actually contracted to NASA and was considered to be a NASA ISS Expedition crewmember. Eyharts is the first that ESA has specifically. Each partner in ISS has a certain number of slots they can use for their own astro/cosmonauts. Quotas, as it were. Eyharts is the first one of ESA's allotment. Since Reiter was under NASA, his spot counted against NASA's quota (i.e. he took up a spot that a NASA astronaut could have had instead) and not ESA's. That was, I believe, part of a barter deal NASA had with ESA where ESA provided NASA something (I don't recall what at the moment but I think it was with Italy, maybe partly for Node 3?) and NASA "paid" for it by manifesting one of their guys instead of a NASA astronaut.
Sorry for the slightly off-topic clarification :)
This VTR playback kicks that word that Peggy didn't say but sounded like she did. I enjoy the video from shuttle more because most of the time all we get is the Destiny camera.
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Docking confirmed! :cool:
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nathan.moeller - 9/2/2008 11:14 PM
Replay of MSB with Shannon coming up. Can anybody snag that clip of him and his 'fish all day/I won't bite' quote? :)
Could this John Shannon comment go into the halls of fame? I still enjoy reading Chris' Paul Hill article: http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=3297
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landofgrey - 10/2/2008 4:51 PM
There was some confusion about Reiter. He does come from ESA and is an ESA astronaut. However, for Expedition 14, he was actually contracted to NASA and was considered to be a NASA ISS Expedition crewmember. Eyharts is the first that ESA has specifically. Each partner in ISS has a certain number of slots they can use for their own astro/cosmonauts. Quotas, as it were. Eyharts is the first one of ESA's allotment. Since Reiter was under NASA, his spot counted against NASA's quota (i.e. he took up a spot that a NASA astronaut could have had instead) and not ESA's. That was, I believe, part of a barter deal NASA had with ESA where ESA provided NASA something (I don't recall what at the moment but I think it was with Italy, maybe partly for Node 3?) and NASA "paid" for it by manifesting one of their guys instead of a NASA astronaut.
Sorry for the slightly off-topic clarification :)
This VTR playback kicks that word that Peggy didn't say but sounded like she did. I enjoy the video from shuttle more because most of the time all we get is the Destiny camera.
I'll be happy to drop it, too, but an ESA announcement in April 2005 stated that Reiter was actually taking the place of a Russian cosmonaut, not a NASA astronaut.
MC
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I just want to make a few points
1) there is no such thing as HD audio, do you really mean Audio which is coming from the camera that you are calling the HD cam? as this is technically worse quality than normal MiniDV/DVCAM due to the inadequate mpeg compression involved.
2) are you sure the camera is HD? as the aspect ratio does not match HD and the deck in view on the station is not capable of playing HD video.
although it could be a deck out of view or they are using the camera to downlink
but either way if it is HD then its defiantly being cropped somewhere.
Same goes for shuttle side, the decks you see in view on the aft flight deck are not capable of HD playback
Of course they could be HD cams being used in SD mode which would negate the compatability problems and improve quality over whats previously been seen
Also out of interest what kind of speed transfer do they get over KU
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The camera had to have been HD, because MCC-H said "Getting good audio and video from the HD cam" earlier in the day.
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You may be right. However, someone from ESA I asked on launch day said explicitly that Reiter was under contract to NASA. It's possible that Reiter was under contract to NASA but took up a Russian seat. It depends on what kind of arrangement there was. But, honestly, it's not something I actually paid much attention to outside of what I've needed to know (it's fringe to what I have to write about), so I'll defer to your knowledge. I do recall it was part of a barter deal, which would make sense considering the Russians and Europeans worked together to develop various things such as the ATV (Russian docking port).
Michael Cassutt - 9/2/2008 6:59 PM
I'll be happy to drop it, too, but an ESA announcement in April 2005 stated that Reiter was actually taking the place of a Russian cosmonaut, not a NASA astronaut.
MC
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madmardy - 9/2/2008 6:59 PM
Also out of interest what kind of speed transfer do they get over KU
.I get approx 3-4 HD 1080p feeds per a transpoder... and that like a few megs a sec per a feed
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Good points. I think it's an HD camera. NASA is putting HD cameras on the station. It's not that the audio is better quality, only that it's unfiltered from the normal downlink comm channels (you get ambient noise too).
Watching on the web, it might not look HD (aspect ratio) because of the streaming NASA does. Even on an HD television, it (I don't think) might not look like it's from an HD camera. It depends on if it's processed in HD format for broadcast, and it may not be even though NASA TV is available in HD now. It could be formatted for NTSC broadcast.
And all of the above... I don't know, just guessing really. If I remember, I'll ask one of the NASA TV guys becasue I'm curious now.
madmardy - 9/2/2008 6:59 PM
I just want to make a few points
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erioladastra - 9/2/2008 5:32 PM "I don't wish to speculate but before this thread gets too off topic, the concern would most likely be that the affected crewmember has bouts of SAS and then he feels fine unless he moves rapidly." Not corect and why it is not good to speculate.
Well, apparently you know more than most. But whats the point of telling people not to speculate if you know you can't say otherwise?
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ntschke - 9/2/2008 7:10 PM
erioladastra - 9/2/2008 5:32 PM "I don't wish to speculate but before this thread gets too off topic, the concern would most likely be that the affected crewmember has bouts of SAS and then he feels fine unless he moves rapidly." Not corect and why it is not good to speculate.
Well, apparently you know more than most. But whats the point of telling people not to speculate if you know you can't say otherwise?
If you look at the safety briefing on L2 you will see he is always at the back of the pack.. could all just be a coincidence ?
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Very pretty image!
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Great images today Ford! :) You are getting some great shots today!
Richard
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madmardy - 10/2/2008 1:59 AM
I just want to make a few points
1) there is no such thing as HD audio, do you really mean Audio which is coming from the camera that you are calling the HD cam? as this is technically worse quality than normal MiniDV/DVCAM due to the inadequate mpeg compression involved.
Exatcly the same point that I had in mind. There is no HD audio. Close to that would be some kind of multichannel audio, with selectable "with PAO/mute PAO" channels :)
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A new revision to the NASA TV schedule will be available in about a 1/2 hour according to NASA PAO, it will be revision B and it will ONLY cover tomorrow's FD 4 activities. Another revision, rev. C that will cover the rest of the mission will be available sometime tomorrow.
Richard
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NASA TV now playing a crew introduction video:
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mtakala24 - 9/2/2008 7:33 PM madmardy - 10/2/2008 1:59 AM I just want to make a few points 1) there is no such thing as HD audio, do you really mean Audio which is coming from the camera that you are calling the HD cam? as this is technically worse quality than normal MiniDV/DVCAM due to the inadequate mpeg compression involved.
Exatcly the same point that I had in mind. There is no HD audio. Close to that would be some kind of multichannel audio, with selectable "with PAO/mute PAO" channels :)
It's not "HD" audio, its just coming from the HD feed. The astronuats, MCC and anyone with who's seen HD will know when it is and isn't HD video. Plain and simple, does the picture look clearer, brighter and more colorful than the grainy almost Apollo-ish video from before? Then its HD, whether or not its down-converted. It will look better on any tv, even streaming on the web. That's clear looking at Ford's images all day long.
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Avron - 9/2/2008 7:15 PM ntschke - 9/2/2008 7:10 PM erioladastra - 9/2/2008 5:32 PM "I don't wish to speculate but before this thread gets too off topic, the concern would most likely be that the affected crewmember has bouts of SAS and then he feels fine unless he moves rapidly." Not corect and why it is not good to speculate.
Well, apparently you know more than most. But whats the point of telling people not to speculate if you know you can't say otherwise?
If you look at the safety briefing on L2 you will see he is always at the back of the pack.. could all just be a coincidence ?
Sorry, little lost. WHO is at the back of the pack?
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I should have made that point too. I only said it might not "look" like HD because rather than being letterboxed, it may be cropped to 4:3. The quality will still be better.
Has anybody been watching this on an HD TV? I've been stuck in front of a computer all day so haven't been able to (thank god for web streaming)
ntschke - 9/2/2008 7:46 PM
p>It's not "HD" audio, its just coming from the HD feed. The astronuats, MCC and anyone with who's seen HD will know when it is and isn't HD video. Plain and simple, does the picture look clearer, brighter and more colorful than the grainy almost Apollo-ish video from before? Then its HD, whether or not its down-converted. It will look better on any tv, even streaming on the web. That's clear looking at Ford's images all day long.
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Yes, I've had it on all day on an HD plasma. Very clear difference between some shots and others. I'm used to seeing HD in a 16:9 ratio. Lots of stations broadcast in that right now as they upgrade to "full" HD. Even though you're not getting the full screen the cropped (or "pillar box") image is still much better.
For example in/near washington, the local NBC station is a much clearer picture-but still cropped. Then for the national NBC nightly news its full HD-widescreen. Both great images compared to any ED broadcast.
The mistake a lot of people make (including me) with a new HD display is to "stretch" any image to fill the screen. Bad idea, burn-in is a long dead issue and if you stretch a cropped HD feed, it will look WORSE than it did in ED.
Now, back to the mission. What can we look forward to tomorrow as far as coverage and preps for the EVA? Is there an revised flight plan out there yet?
landofgrey - 9/2/2008 7:54 PM I should have made that point too. I only said it might not "look" like HD because rather than being letterboxed, it may be cropped to 4:3. The quality will still be better. Has anybody been watching this on an HD TV? I've been stuck in front of a computer all day so haven't been able to (thank god for web streaming) ntschke - 9/2/2008 7:46 PM p> It's not "HD" audio, its just coming from the HD feed. The astronuats, MCC and anyone with who's seen HD will know when it is and isn't HD video. Plain and simple, does the picture look clearer, brighter and more colorful than the grainy almost Apollo-ish video from before? Then its HD, whether or not its down-converted. It will look better on any tv, even streaming on the web. That's clear looking at Ford's images all day long.
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Now a documentary on Yuri and Peggy:
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Now the part of Yuri Malenchenko
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Now Leopold Eyharts!
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And back with live shots from the ISS. Official crew sleep in about 30 minutes.
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The preliminary Flight Day 4 TV Schedule has now been posted on the NASA website. You can download it here.
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The right OMS pod
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Thanks! I'll have to check it out with the FD highlights. The TV schedule rev is up, but I'm waiting more for the execute pkg. I'm guessing it's going to be a lot of transfer work and then EVA prep. MAYBE an inspection of the OMS pod, which would be nice to get that "issue" out of the way early in the mission.
Or Maybe not... the tv sked doesn't show an OMS inspection. hm
ntschke - 9/2/2008 8:03 PM
Yes, I've had it on all day on an HD plasma. Very clear difference between some shots and others. I'm used to seeing HD in a 16:9 ratio. Lots of stations broadcast in that right now as they upgrade to "full" HD. Even though you're not getting the full screen the cropped (or "pillar box") image is still much better.
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Interesting plan. To save some the trouble of download, the plan is: FD4: Get up, talk, camp out, go to bed. "Highlights at 11."
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080209/ts_alt_afp/useuropespaceshuttle_080209223231
" NASA delays first Atlantis spacewalk by 24 hours"
" by Jean-Louis Santini"
"...Just after the shuttle docked with the ISS, mission chief John Shannon told reporters German astronaut Hans Schlagel, one of the Atlantis' crew of seven, was unwell, without giving details, and had been excused from the spacewalk..."
I'd swear he did not say that.
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MCC getting ready to update the crew on plans tomorrow.
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Lee Jay - 10/2/2008 1:43 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080209/ts_alt_afp/useuropespaceshuttle_080209223231
" NASA delays first Atlantis spacewalk by 24 hours"
" by Jean-Louis Santini"
"...Just after the shuttle docked with the ISS, mission chief John Shannon told reporters German astronaut Hans Schlagel, one of the Atlantis' crew of seven, was unwell, without giving details, and had been excused from the spacewalk..."
I'd swear he did not say that.
He didn't. That's a hell of a reach for them.
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There will be a focused inspection on the OMS pod as well as some off duty time for FD04 as well as two EVA procedure reviews.
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Here's the word from MCC: lots of EVA 1 procedure reviews early and later, some crew offtime and possibly PFC's. They WILL do a focused inspection of the OMS pod. Still working details of the inspection so it wasn't included in preliminary "heads up" plans earlier. Capcom didn't say if it would use SSRMS, RMS, OBSS or what.
The EVA's will slip a day each, on every other day. They may give approval for another docked day tomorrow and are looking at potential to get that extra day and possibly preserving the option for another.
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Wow, the crew didn't know about the blanket until now??? That's what it sounded like to me. He sounded a little non-plused on the emotions after hearing about it. More unexpected eventfulness for the crew of STS-122 today.
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Highlight of day 3 now. I hope they'll send the scene with the Atlantis crew entering ISS.
I missed that earlier today and I'm laying in bed with my laptop now. (the clock's 03:02 here)
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Food tray! I've not seen this yet!
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landofgrey - 10/2/2008 1:55 AM
Wow, the crew didn't know about the blanket until now??? That's what it sounded like to me. He sounded a little non-plused on the emotions after hearing about it. More unexpected eventfulness for the crew of STS-122 today.
Na, they knew earlier as they were asked to take more images of it just after docking.
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Gary - 9/2/2008 5:47 PM
He didn't. That's a hell of a reach for them.
The BBC makes a similar statement:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7236715.stm
Although no reason was given for the delay [of the spacewalk], the spokesman also said that Hans Schlegel, the German astronaut who was to have performed the spacewalk, had fallen ill.
Ugh.
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Were they asked about photos? That's good then. It seems they'd be given at least a heads up that there might be something of concern to look at later rather than having it sprung on them right before bed. I guess I don't understand why he said he hadn't known about this before. He seemed genuinely surprised and not very pleased with the info. He must've meant the focused inspection. Maybe?
Chris Bergin - 9/2/2008 9:09 PM
landofgrey - 10/2/2008 1:55 AM
Wow, the crew didn't know about the blanket until now??? That's what it sounded like to me. He sounded a little non-plused on the emotions after hearing about it. More unexpected eventfulness for the crew of STS-122 today.
Na, they knew earlier as they were asked to take more images of it just after docking.
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Can't wait until John44 posts his FD3 Highlight video. Waiting to see the audio from the safety briefing and various other things. :cool:
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Some OBSS ballet video.. will get some money shots :)
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landofgrey - 9/2/2008 8:19 PM
He seemed genuinely surprised and not very pleased with the info. He must've meant the focused inspection. Maybe?
I got the sense that they were aware of the blanket (having sent down more photos) but hadn't heard or seen the results from those photos and therefore was unaware that a focused inspection would be needed.
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GO for grapple:
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Thanks. I had forgotten about the request to take photos of the OMS pod during the RPM today. Guess I'm having senior moments in my old age. Has anyone heard about what MET the FI will begin, or do I have to wait for the exec. package? It sounded like they were talking about doing it after the first EVA prep session.
collectSPACE - 9/2/2008 9:26 PM
I got the sense that they were aware of the blanket (having sent down more photos) but hadn't heard or seen the results from those photos and therefore was unaware that a focused inspection would be needed.
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GO for SSRMS ungrapple of the OBSS:
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That was it for the FD3 highlights! Congrats on a successful docking, Atlantis and the 122 crew!
Also, for those who have said kind words to me about my coverage/images, I really do appreciate it. I do it for you guys. :)
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Definitely appreciated.
Ford Mustang - 9/2/2008 9:33 PM
That was it for the FD3 highlights! Congrats on a successful docking, Atlantis and the 122 crew!
Also, for those who have said kind words to me about my coverage/images, I really do appreciate it. I do it for you guys. :)
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nice FD highlights.
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This noob appreciates your efforts, Ford! Good way to catch up on things. Thanks!
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nice images! great for people who couldnt watch it live! Really impressive docking and RPM
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Hi,
Is there a recording of the hatch opening video replay anywhere? - it doesn't seem to be on spacemultimedia.
Thanks
Ian
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Wasn't very hard to find:
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3311&Itemid=1
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Hi,
humm, i'm sure that wasn't there earlier!
Thanks
Ian
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Bump'n'lock to keep the running order..