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Title: LIVE: STS-122 Flight Day 2 - Inspection Day
Post by: jacqmans on 02/08/2008 08:12 am
Flight Day 2 coverage of STS-122.

First post to be updated as and when needed.

Rules: Only relevant updates should go in here.

Images: Images are great, but let's not go crazy unless it's a nice new updated view. Two images per post please.

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Post by: jacqmans on 02/08/2008 08:21 am
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Post by: JesseD on 02/08/2008 08:51 am
Good morning crew! Peter Gabriel for the wakeup music.
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/08/2008 09:08 am
>Peter Gabriel<

About as near as the British get into space :( ;)
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Post by: ArielGold on 02/08/2008 09:09 am

Daily Execute Packages for the crew will be posted here. Day 2 is up.
 

 

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Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/08/2008 10:51 am
Latest article based on the opening ascent images (L2 exclusive 30 mins after MECO, but included a couple into this article).

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5351
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Post by: eeergo on 02/08/2008 11:02 am
We are now settled in space, and nothing better to start a nice day than an image of the RMS during checkout with beautiful Earth behind.
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Post by: Andy_Small on 02/08/2008 11:02 am
Arm is in motion.  Going thru it's check out
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Post by: Andy_Small on 02/08/2008 11:07 am
flight deck video soon!
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Post by: Andy_Small on 02/08/2008 11:11 am
nc 2 BURN PAD going on board now
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Post by: eeergo on 02/08/2008 11:12 am
NC-2 burn is with the right OMS, delta-v 7.8 (not sure if it's mph or m/s)
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Post by: psloss on 02/08/2008 11:14 am
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eeergo - 8/2/2008  7:12 AM

NC-2 burn is with the right OMS, delta-v 7.8 (not sure if it's mph or m/s)
Feet per second.

TIG is MET 00/16:57:14.1, or 11:42:44 UTC
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Post by: JesseD on 02/08/2008 11:14 am
the burn being scheduled has a deltaV total of 7.8 fps, scheduled for 7.42AM EST

edit: AK... too slow! : :laugh:
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Post by: eeergo on 02/08/2008 11:34 am

Atlantis' crew has reported they found yesterday the SSV cables and now have good video. Now passing over Japan.

Thanks for the correction ;)

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Post by: psloss on 02/08/2008 11:36 am
That's SSV, which stands for sequential still video.
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Post by: eeergo on 02/08/2008 11:36 am
CBS and MSNBC interviews with Tani and Peggy are starting.
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Post by: eeergo on 02/08/2008 12:00 pm
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Post by: eeergo on 02/08/2008 12:19 pm
Have they changed the orbiter's cameras? The colors look extremely good to me, better than in previous missions...
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 12:19 pm
At school, can rely on video for updates, but no pictures, unless they come from chan2large.


RMS going in for grapple of the OBSS:
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 12:22 pm
RMS closer to grapple of the OBSS:
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 12:24 pm
David, they must have done something.  These colors are outstanding!
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 12:28 pm
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 12:29 pm
MCC is happy with OBSS heating config, Atlantis pressing on with step 3.
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Post by: Felix on 02/08/2008 12:32 pm
pre-grabble:
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 12:32 pm
Holy cow, either I lagged, or that RMS moved faster than ever before!

RMS now at PRE-GRAPPLE position.
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 12:32 pm
Grapple!
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Post by: Felix on 02/08/2008 12:36 pm
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 12:37 pm
3500NM behind the ISS, closing around 500NM per orbit.
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 12:39 pm
MCC likes current grapple config, go to unberth!
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Post by: Felix on 02/08/2008 12:44 pm
OBSS Unbearthing
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 12:44 pm
Missed the start of unberthing, but here it is!
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Post by: on 02/08/2008 12:47 pm
Have they updated the camera quality?  They look extremely better than previous missions.
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 12:49 pm
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Justin Wheat - 8/2/2008  8:47 AM

Have they updated the camera quality?  They look extremely better than previous missions.

They appear to be HD to me.  I'm noticing the "flicker" of watching a HD show on a non-HD feed.


OBSS has not moved yet, from the unberthed position.
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Post by: Felix on 02/08/2008 12:52 pm
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Post by: ntschke on 02/08/2008 12:52 pm
Yes, I believe the video from most of yesterday's launch and today's activities all seem to be "down-converted" from HD to display on ED feed.

Which is the current checklist they're going against in preps for OBSS and TPS inspections?

Thanks
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 12:55 pm
Atlantis and her crew now moving into orbital night.
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/08/2008 12:59 pm
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ntschke - 8/2/2008  1:52 PM

Yes, I believe the video from most of yesterday's launch and today's activities all seem to be "down-converted" from HD to display on ED feed.

Which is the current checklist they're going against in preps for OBSS and TPS inspections?

Thanks

Robotics, I believe. Let me check (or someone more savvy on the checklists can beat me to it).
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 01:01 pm
Looks like a shot of the right (starboard) OMS pod.  [small]Not too good with all that port and starboard speak.  Someone can fill me in later.  ;)[/small]

EDIT:  Thank you, Chris.  Gotta write it across my forehead now.   :bleh:
EDIT2: Time to go to class.  Good luck with inspections!
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/08/2008 01:04 pm
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Ford Mustang - 8/2/2008  2:01 PM
  [small]Not too good with all that port and starboard speak.  Someone can fill me in later.  ;)[/small]

Port is left and starboard is right. :)
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Post by: marktowler on 02/08/2008 01:10 pm
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Chris Bergin - 8/2/2008  2:04 PM

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Ford Mustang - 8/2/2008  2:01 PM
  [small]Not too good with all that port and starboard speak.  Someone can fill me in later.  ;)[/small]

Port is left and starboard is right. :)

This method should help to memory which side is port or starboard.

"Port" and "left" are 4 letters words. Otherwise it is starboard.

Hope this will help to remind ;)
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Post by: Felix on 02/08/2008 01:15 pm
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Post by: psloss on 02/08/2008 01:20 pm
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Chris Bergin - 8/2/2008  9:04 AM

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Ford Mustang - 8/2/2008  2:01 PM
  [small]Not too good with all that port and starboard speak.  Someone can fill me in later.  ;)[/small]

Port is left and starboard is right. :)
Is that stage left and stage right?  :) That's what always screws me up...
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Post by: jbirdav8r on 02/08/2008 01:24 pm
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psloss - 8/2/2008  8:20 AM

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Chris Bergin - 8/2/2008  9:04 AM

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Ford Mustang - 8/2/2008  2:01 PM
  [small]Not too good with all that port and starboard speak.  Someone can fill me in later.  ;)[/small]

Port is left and starboard is right. :)
Is that stage left and stage right?  :) That's what always screws me up...

Say you're looking at the Orbiter on the pad from the front--starboard is the right side of the vehicle and port is the left.
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Post by: Celebrimbor on 02/08/2008 01:30 pm
Surely, its with reference to direction of travel in combination with the clear definition of nadir and zenith. So with head pointing zenith and going forwards, port is left.

EDIT: but then if direction of travel IS zenith... then... oh I don't know
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Post by: haywoodfloyd on 02/08/2008 01:30 pm
Port and Left have the same number of letters.

You can also use that for the green and red lights on vehicles...remember Red Port Wine.

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Post by: Felix on 02/08/2008 01:39 pm
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Post by: ntschke on 02/08/2008 01:52 pm

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Gary - 8/2/2008 9:32 AM
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marktowler - 8/2/2008 2:10 PM This method should help to memory which side is port or starboard. "Port" and "left" are 4 letters words. Otherwise it is starboard. Hope this will help to remind ;)
For a bit of history - Port is left because the port drink is PASSED to the left at dinner. The port light is red because port is red. Port replaced larboard on sailing ships because larboard and starboard where too easy to confuse.

OK, but the crew can't drink booze...so they'll have NO clue where they're going.  Call the BBC Chris, tell them THIS is the story they've been waiting for..."Without alcohol, shuttle/ISS crews doomed" ;)

BTW, I believe I found the RMS-related checklist (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/news/flightdatafiles/index.html) under STS-122 mission specific files.  I did fine a generic one on here as well but not sure what the difference is.

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Post by: Felix on 02/08/2008 01:57 pm
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Post by: Felix on 02/08/2008 02:05 pm
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/08/2008 02:08 pm
About 40 minutes left on the Starboard Wing Survey. Looks very clean, but as we say on each mission - what we see on the screen is not exactly what they get on the ground, but you'd likely see something obvious.
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Post by: pippin on 02/08/2008 02:08 pm
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OK, but the crew can't drink booze...so they'll have NO clue where they're going.  Call the BBC Chris, tell them THIS is the story they've been waiting for..."Without alcohol, shuttle/ISS crews doomed" ;)

Didn't we have this cultural thingy half a year ago ;-) ?
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Post by: Jim on 02/08/2008 02:10 pm
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Gary - 8/2/2008  9:32 AM

For a bit of history - Port is left because the port drink is PASSED to the left at dinner. The port light is red because port is red.

Port replaced larboard on sailing ships because larboard and starboard where too easy to confuse.

You are mixing definitions. Port is on the left because that is where the ship moored, opposite of the "steerboard"
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Post by: pippin on 02/08/2008 02:15 pm
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Jim - 8/2/2008  4:10 PM

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Gary - 8/2/2008  9:32 AM

For a bit of history - Port is left because the port drink is PASSED to the left at dinner. The port light is red because port is red.

Port replaced larboard on sailing ships because larboard and starboard where too easy to confuse.

You are mixing definitions. Port is on the left because that is where the ship moored, opposite of the "steerboard"
Can't be. The other explanation sounded way more realistic ;-)
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Post by: stan on 02/08/2008 02:21 pm
At the risk of thread drift..
Starboard derives from the days of double-ended ships before rudders were hung on the centerline.  I believe it came into the Engish language through the danish and norsk invaders. The steering oar used to be hung from the aft, "steerboard" side.  The other side, the larboard side, was usually the side of the ship that was placed against the wharf.  If I remember correctly from my merchant shipping days, the Norwegians still use the term "larboard".

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Post by: ntschke on 02/08/2008 02:28 pm

Actually this is all very interesting...and is a good way to pass the time during one of the less-exciting portions of most shuttle missions-TPS inspections. ;)

 

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Post by: zappafrank on 02/08/2008 02:33 pm
Easiest way to remember, port has 4 letters, so does left.

You will never forget it.
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Post by: Felix on 02/08/2008 02:39 pm
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Post by: Felix on 02/08/2008 03:18 pm
Btw ISS coming over Europe momentarily

Shtuttle Airlock
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Post by: Felix on 02/08/2008 03:19 pm
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Post by: kimmern123 on 02/08/2008 03:22 pm
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stan - 8/2/2008  4:21 PM

At the risk of thread drift..
Starboard derives from the days of double-ended ships before rudders were hung on the centerline.  I believe it came into the Engish language through the danish and norsk invaders. The steering oar used to be hung from the aft, "steerboard" side.  The other side, the larboard side, was usually the side of the ship that was placed against the wharf.  If I remember correctly from my merchant shipping days, the Norwegians still use the term "larboard".


This is a bit off topic but anyway  ;) . We don't say "larboard" in Norway, but it's not that far from the actual word. Port is called "babord" and starboard is "styrbord" (directly translated, steerboard)

Okay, now back to the TPS-inspections ;)
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Post by: stan on 02/08/2008 03:44 pm

Thanks for the correction.  It has been 37 years since I spent a summer working on a Norwegian freighter, and I have forgotten almost all the Norwegian I learned back then.
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Post by: ApolloLee on 02/08/2008 03:46 pm
OK.... I'm issuing a challenge... How can they make TPS-Inspections more exciting?

I vote for painting random bingo numbers throughout the spacecraft so we can all play TPS inspection bingo at home...
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Post by: pippin on 02/08/2008 03:53 pm
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ApolloLee - 8/2/2008  5:46 PM

OK.... I'm issuing a challenge... How can they make TPS-Inspections more exciting?

I vote for painting random bingo numbers throughout the spacecraft so we can all play TPS inspection bingo at home...
They DO. Haven't you found them?
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Post by: psloss on 02/08/2008 03:54 pm
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ApolloLee - 8/2/2008  11:46 AM

OK.... I'm issuing a challenge... How can they make TPS-Inspections more exciting?

I vote for painting random bingo numbers throughout the spacecraft so we can all play TPS inspection bingo at home...
It's a necessary part of the mission.  Why does it have to be exciting?
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Post by: nathan.moeller on 02/08/2008 03:56 pm
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psloss - 8/2/2008  10:54 AM

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ApolloLee - 8/2/2008  11:46 AM

OK.... I'm issuing a challenge... How can they make TPS-Inspections more exciting?

I vote for painting random bingo numbers throughout the spacecraft so we can all play TPS inspection bingo at home...
It's a necessary part of the mission.  Why does it have to be exciting?

I could be way off base but I can't help but think he was kidding ;)
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Post by: ApolloLee on 02/08/2008 03:59 pm
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psloss - 8/2/2008  8:54 AM


It's a necessary part of the mission.  Why does it have to be exciting?


Understood..... just trying to break the monotony.... I'm certainly not really suggesting they turn a vital part of the mission into an excuse for bingo....

Though if they want to use the tiles to have people answer trivia questions that start with certain letters like "Blockbusters," that's fine with me.....

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Post by: elmarko on 02/08/2008 04:13 pm
Some people need to lighten up :)
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Post by: psloss on 02/08/2008 04:15 pm
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ApolloLee - 8/2/2008  11:59 AM

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psloss - 8/2/2008  8:54 AM
It's a necessary part of the mission.  Why does it have to be exciting?
Understood..... just trying to break the monotony....
Understood as well...but also understand that several parts of the shuttle missions are very monotonous.  Monotonous doesn't have to mean boring -- though I'm sure it is boring to many people (I doubt they'd spend a lot of time on this site).  The inspections may not be continuously engaging, either, but that doesn't mean I'm disinterested.
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Post by: Mark Nguyen on 02/08/2008 04:20 pm
Funny, I was told that when a ship was at port, you'd better see the stars from the other side of the boat than the side where you had to deal with all the lights of the city. Hence, starboard...

Mark
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Post by: Oli4 on 02/08/2008 04:27 pm
Lets end this discussion :)

Port and starboard
Port and starboard are shipboard terms for left and right, respectively. Confusing those two could cause a ship wreck. In Old England, the starboard was the steering paddle or rudder, and ships were always steered from the right side on the back of the vessel. Larboard referred to the left side, the side on which the ship was loaded. So how did larboard become port? Shouted over the noise of the wind and the waves, larboard and starboard sounded too much alike. The word port means the opening in the "left" side of the ship from which cargo was unloaded. Sailors eventually started using the term to refer to that side of the ship. Use of the term "port" was officially adopted by the U.S. Navy by General Order, 18 February 1846.
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Post by: Analyst on 02/08/2008 04:29 pm
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psloss - 8/2/2008  5:54 PM

It's a necessary part of the mission.  Why does it have to be exciting?

Isn't the whole return to the moon thing mostly because "going around in circles" is so boring? ;)

The public needs something exiting: be it a gapfiller, some foam falling, a solar array blanket repair or the first lunar landing after Apollo. They will turn away the second time. You eigher accept space missions - manned or unmanned - can be boring, or you jump from one target to another just to keep the public exited (and the big tax payer money coming). I vote for the first option. Going around in LEO is not boring at all, at least not more boring than the 20th lunar surface EVA or the fifth lunar landing. But this is just me.

Analyst
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/08/2008 04:39 pm
There's always a number of ROIs (Regions Of Interest) from an OBSS Survey, but so far we're hearing they've really not seen anything of real interest so far...so that's good.
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Post by: William Barton on 02/08/2008 04:40 pm
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Analyst - 8/2/2008  12:29 PM

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psloss - 8/2/2008  5:54 PM

It's a necessary part of the mission.  Why does it have to be exciting?

Isn't the whole return to the moon thing mostly because "going around in circles" is so boring? ;)

The public needs something exiting: be it a gapfiller, some foam falling, a solar array blanket repair or the first lunar landing after Apollo. They will turn away the second time. You eigher accept space missions - manned or unmanned - can be boring, or you jump from one target to another just to keep the public exited (and the big tax payer money coming). I vote for the first option. Going around in LEO is not boring at all, at least not more boring than the 20th lunar surface EVA or the fifth lunar landing. But this is just me.

Analyst

That's sounds rational, but unless your secret identity is Bill Gates, that big taxpayer money has to be justified to the big taxpayer, whose got a lot of hands in his pocket.
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Post by: James Lowe1 on 02/08/2008 04:49 pm
Ok everyone. No more posts that are not specific to this flight day.
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Post by: triddirt on 02/08/2008 05:00 pm
Caught an Interesting exchange just now re CO2 Levels higher than expected... Checking for Obstructions on LIOH canisters..
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/08/2008 05:59 pm
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triddirt - 8/2/2008  6:00 PM

Caught an Interesting exchange just now re CO2 Levels higher than expected... Checking for Obstructions on LIOH canisters..

Interesting. I believe we saw LIOH mentioned a few times by the PRCB. Lemme check..
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Post by: jmjawors on 02/08/2008 06:06 pm
I think there was some sort of tape on those canisters causing an obstruction.  It's since been removed and all is well (at least there's been no more talk about it).
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/08/2008 06:08 pm
Ah, the previous discussion about LiOH was with regards to the dust hazard.

Here's a good image of them from that PRCB presentation anyway:
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Post by: psloss on 02/08/2008 06:37 pm
PAO (Pat Ryan with Orbit 2 for this mission) just noting that the mission status briefing and the post MMT briefings are going to be "combined" at the top of the hour (3 pm Eastern).
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Post by: jarthur on 02/08/2008 06:59 pm
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psloss - 8/2/2008  12:37 PM

PAO (Pat Ryan with Orbit 2 for this mission) just noting that the mission status briefing and the post MMT briefings are going to be "combined" at the top of the hour (3 pm Eastern).

They must not have had much to talk about. A good sign.
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Post by: Felix on 02/08/2008 07:06 pm
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Post by: Felix on 02/08/2008 07:12 pm
Shannon:
"The vehicle could not be performing better"

Debris report:
"Absolutely nothing of interest [..] Extremely clean launch"

SRB videos are expected to come in on Wednesday
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Post by: PaulyFirmbiz on 02/08/2008 07:25 pm
I love the SRB videos.. really dramatic POV givin the relativly short time they capture the launch itself. But as a video editor and someone that loves to be anul.. I Recorded the launch video via the ET and brought it into my Final Cut Program on the mac and went frame for frame.. the take performed wonderfuly
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Post by: PaulyFirmbiz on 02/08/2008 07:25 pm
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PaulyFirmbiz - 8/2/2008  2:25 PM

the take performed wonderfuly

Tank i mean lol :bleh:
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Post by: jimmiemac on 02/08/2008 07:33 pm
Anyone else notice how all the PAO commentators are making an effort to pause their commentary when space/ground communications take place?  This is a welcome change and a big improvement from earlier missions.
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 07:35 pm
Back with a live shot of Atlantis on orbit.
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 07:49 pm
Atlantis closing in on the ISS by about 500 Nautical Miles per orbit (every 90 minutes).  Has caught up a lot since this morning!!
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 07:55 pm
NASA TV now playing a "Columbus Intro" video, provided from the ESA:
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 07:56 pm
Say this name 10 times fast!
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 07:58 pm
And now back with a live shot of Atlantis, and Columbus's new home, starting Sunday:
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Post by: eeergo on 02/08/2008 08:00 pm

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Ford Mustang - 8/2/2008 9:56 PM Say this name 10 times fast!

I really don't want to dribble... :laugh:

Relaxing in the ISS:

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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 08:16 pm
EVA1 and 2 spacewalkers in the first image, while EVA3 walkers in the second.
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Post by: Chandonn on 02/08/2008 08:22 pm
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jimmiemac - 8/2/2008  3:33 PM

Anyone else notice how all the PAO commentators are making an effort to pause their commentary when space/ground communications take place?  This is a welcome change and a big improvement from earlier missions.

THey must have heard our comments regarding that on the last few flights...  ;)
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Post by: eeergo on 02/08/2008 09:03 pm

Centerline camera installed in the ODS, Atlantis' crew reports. Now comes the orbiter docking ring extension. NC-3 coming up in 20 minutes too.

And great view of the radiators and RS of the ISS:

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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 09:21 pm
3 minutes from the NC3 burn.  Maneuver for Atlantis finishing up.
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 09:23 pm
Atlantis is now in proper attitude.  30 seconds until the 10 second NC3 burn.
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 09:24 pm
PROP console reports burn started.


Good burn!  No trim required.  :)
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Post by: Spiff on 02/08/2008 09:38 pm
Ok, this may have to go in the Q&A section, but on the other hand maybe not... Anyway....

The PAO commentator kept talking before and after the NC3 burn about it increasing Atlantis velocity and so increasing the speed of approach. However, to my best knowledge of orbital mechanics, (which I admit isn't very large,) increasing something's velocity in orbit will cause its orbit to take longer (the whole raise apogee by increasing velocity at perigee stuff...) Thus Atlantis should catch up less fast with the station.

What am I missing?
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 09:40 pm
Orbiter Docking Ring has been extended!
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/08/2008 09:42 pm
Atlantis is behaving really well. No issues of any note, and then issues that are noted have things like: "Probably important enough to put in the FD2 MMT charts - at least to decide whether to keep it in there or not."
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Post by: Andrewwski on 02/08/2008 09:42 pm
Wow...according to my local news:

"As the space shuttle Atlantis orbits the Space Station..."
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Post by: Jim on 02/08/2008 09:43 pm
Don't PAO literally
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Post by: dember on 02/08/2008 09:45 pm
Columbus control centre up and running.
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Post by: psloss on 02/08/2008 09:45 pm
Running ascent flight deck video replay now...
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 09:45 pm
Looks like ascent from inside orbiter now:
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 09:49 pm
Looking out the overhead windows:

Picture 2: Open visors!
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 09:55 pm
MECO!
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 10:00 pm
We were supposed to see Payload Bay Door opening, but just some video of the KU Band Antenna deploy:
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Post by: psloss on 02/08/2008 10:01 pm
Here comes payload bay door opening now...
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 10:02 pm
Payload Bay Door opening, starboard first!
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 10:05 pm
Now comes port!

PAO:  Atlantis now open for business.
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Post by: JohnV on 02/08/2008 10:06 pm
Is it standard for the starboard door to open part way, re-close, then completely open?  Just curious since the port door didn't seem to follow the same pattern.

EDIT:  Thought maybe it was to test the reversal of the drive assembly, but when the port door didn't seem to do the same thing it made me wonder.
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/08/2008 10:07 pm
Now cameras looking directly into the RMS end effector camera:
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Post by: ChrisC on 02/08/2008 10:18 pm
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JohnV - 8/2/2008  6:06 PM
Is it standard for the starboard door to open part way, re-close, then completely open?  Just curious since the port door didn't seem to follow the same pattern.
That was tape deck shuttling.  They fast forwarded to the interesting part, then backed it up, then played back at regular speed.  You can tell because A) it did the motion reversal, B) the door moved WAY too fast, and C) you see macroblocking artifacts.  It's not really macroblocking (in the MPEG2 sense), but typical of shuttling DigiBeta decks, which is what I assume they're using.  Could be hard drive, of course, but it's still the same thing.  Overshoot the start, go back, play.
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Post by: ntschke on 02/08/2008 10:21 pm

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Spiff - 8/2/2008 5:38 PM Ok, this may have to go in the Q&A section, but on the other hand maybe not... Anyway.... The PAO commentator kept talking before and after the NC3 burn about it increasing Atlantis velocity and so increasing the speed of approach. However, to my best knowledge of orbital mechanics, (which I admit isn't very large,) increasing something's velocity in orbit will cause its orbit to take longer (the whole raise apogee by increasing velocity at perigee stuff...) Thus Atlantis should catch up less fast with the station. What am I missing?

I'm curious about this too.  the higher the satellite, the longer it will take to complete 1 orbit right? (just like the furhter out a planet is)l.  So if the burn was in the plus x direction they're in effect  raising the altitude in order to catch/raise up to ISS.  Right?

Any experts want to enlighten us?

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Post by: Jim on 02/08/2008 10:28 pm
my reply stills applicable.  PAO simplifies things
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Post by: Avron on 02/08/2008 10:35 pm
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Jim - 8/2/2008  6:28 PM

my reply stills applicable.  PAO simplifies things


Slowing down in closing with the ISS, yes?
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-122 Flight Day 2 - Inspection Day
Post by: Jim on 02/08/2008 10:38 pm
"increasing Atlantis velocity and so increasing the speed of approach"

in this point.  one half can only be true
Title: Re: LIVE: STS-122 Flight Day 2 - Inspection Day
Post by: ApolloLee on 02/08/2008 10:43 pm
Marcia Dunn never fails.... (though mind you, writers don't usually write the headlines)

Headline of Dunn's AP shuttle right now: Astronauts check shuttle for damage

Atlantis is doomed
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Post by: nathan.moeller on 02/08/2008 10:45 pm
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ApolloLee - 8/2/2008  5:43 PM

Marcia Dunn never fails.... (though mind you, writers don't usually write the headlines)

Headline of Dunn's AP shuttle right now: Astronauts check shuttle for damage

Atlantis is doomed

Dunn is not a journalist in my book.  Just ignore her.  Anyway, sounds like a great report so far from the higher-ups.
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Post by: Avron on 02/08/2008 10:53 pm
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nathan.moeller - 8/2/2008  6:45 PM

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ApolloLee - 8/2/2008  5:43 PM

Marcia Dunn never fails.... (though mind you, writers don't usually write the headlines)

Headline of Dunn's AP shuttle right now: Astronauts check shuttle for damage

Atlantis is doomed

Dunn is not a journalist in my book.  Just ignore her.  Anyway, sounds like a great report so far from the higher-ups.


And thus no news for AP's view of the world -- need a story of doom
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/08/2008 11:02 pm
Needs to be said that technically they did check Atlantis for damage, that's what the inspections are for, and it was probably a subeditor who wrote the headline - which was loaded, as Joe Public would read that and might assume there's damage to check for...
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Post by: Lee Jay on 02/08/2008 11:07 pm
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ApolloLee - 8/2/2008  4:43 PM
Headline of Dunn's AP shuttle right now: Astronauts check shuttle for damage

Ummmm....isn't that what they were doing?
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Post by: Avron on 02/08/2008 11:13 pm
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Lee Jay - 8/2/2008  7:07 PM

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ApolloLee - 8/2/2008  4:43 PM
Headline of Dunn's AP shuttle right now: Astronauts check shuttle for damage

Ummmm....isn't that what they were doing?

Could be "Clean launch for Shuttle "or "shuttle problem board is clear"
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/08/2008 11:16 pm
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Avron - 8/2/2008  12:13 AM

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Lee Jay - 8/2/2008  7:07 PM

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ApolloLee - 8/2/2008  4:43 PM
Headline of Dunn's AP shuttle right now: Astronauts check shuttle for damage

Ummmm....isn't that what they were doing?

Could be "Clean launch for Shuttle "or "shuttle problem board is clear"

Works for a space flight specific site like us, but mass media are about getting eyeballs, and that's why the headline is as they've got it. Doesn't mean it's right, but that's how it is.

I've worked mass media. You wouldn't believe how much a subeditor can angle your copy to grab eyeballs.
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Post by: DaveS on 02/08/2008 11:20 pm
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Ford Mustang - 8/2/2008  12:07 AM

Now cameras looking directly into the RMS end effector camera:
That's the EE camera. It's the EE itself! The camera+light fixture is mounted on top of the EE cylinder.
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Post by: ntschke on 02/08/2008 11:23 pm

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Jim - 8/2/2008 6:28 PM my reply stills applicable. PAO simplifies things

Your reply didn't answer the question.  If you don't want to that's fine...just trying to determine if the vehicle is actually "speeding up" to compensate for the higher (and larger) orbit or if there are other factors involved.

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Post by: MKremer on 02/08/2008 11:32 pm
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Avron - 8/2/2008  6:13 PM

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Lee Jay - 8/2/2008  7:07 PM

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ApolloLee - 8/2/2008  4:43 PM
Headline of Dunn's AP shuttle right now: Astronauts check shuttle for damage

Ummmm....isn't that what they were doing?

Could be "Clean launch for Shuttle "or "shuttle problem board is clear"

Wire service reporters don't write the headlines for their stories (and don't have any control over what ends up as the headline).
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Post by: Jim on 02/08/2008 11:34 pm
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ntschke - 8/2/2008  7:23 PM

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Jim - 8/2/2008 6:28 PM my reply stills applicable. PAO simplifies things

Your reply didn't answer the question.  If you don't want to that's fine...just trying to determine if the vehicle is actually "speeding up" to compensate for the higher (and larger) orbit or if there are other factors involved.


Can't answer it.  Don't know the actual direction of the burn.

It physically can't speed up in a higher orbit.  For a each point in a given orbit, velocity and altitude are fixed.  change the velocity and it changes the orbit

A  positive burn would result in a higher orbit and therefore slower.

Hence the confusion in what PAO said.

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Post by: MKremer on 02/08/2008 11:41 pm
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ntschke - 8/2/2008  6:23 PM

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Jim - 8/2/2008 6:28 PM my reply stills applicable. PAO simplifies things

Your reply didn't answer the question.  If you don't want to that's fine...just trying to determine if the vehicle is actually "speeding up" to compensate for the higher (and larger) orbit or if there are other factors involved.


Adding energy raises the apogee. The actual velocity in a higher orbit is slower than a lower orbit, even though it requires more energy (ie- acceleration from an engine or thruster) to get there.

You can't go both higher and faster (that is, unless you want to escape Earth orbit altogether, or waste a whole bunch of fuel speeding to your higher target then braking to match velocities).
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Post by: Lee Jay on 02/08/2008 11:47 pm
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Avron - 8/2/2008  5:13 PM

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Lee Jay - 8/2/2008  7:07 PM

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ApolloLee - 8/2/2008  4:43 PM
Headline of Dunn's AP shuttle right now: Astronauts check shuttle for damage

Ummmm....isn't that what they were doing?

Could be "Clean launch for Shuttle "or "shuttle problem board is clear"

Sure, but that doesn't describe today's activities.  The primary task for today was, in fact, to inspect the orbiter for damage.  So far, they haven't found any, and none was expected, but that doesn't mean they weren't looking for it - they were.

I've seen some unbelievably bad headlines relating to Shuttle flights and ISS issues in the past.  This wasn't one of them.  It was more-or-less accurate, if a bit eye-ball catching.
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/09/2008 12:32 am
Someone's playing around with the RMS camera!   :bleh:
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/09/2008 12:46 am
Atlantis and her crew have now entered the official crew sleep period, ending Flight Day 2.
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Post by: apollo13 on 02/09/2008 12:57 am
Is the LiOH proposing a safety threat?
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/09/2008 01:15 am
Wave!
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Post by: MKremer on 02/09/2008 01:47 am
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apollo13 - 8/2/2008  7:57 PM

Is the LiOH proposing a safety threat?

Nope. Resolved. All the tape wasn't removed from the cannister openings when they were first installed. All OK now.
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Post by: ChrisC on 02/09/2008 02:17 am
FYI, the Flight Day Highlights package that they are running at the top of every hour (during crew sleep) is 15 minutes long.
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Post by: dember on 02/09/2008 02:22 am
They have enough consumables for an extension. If there was an extension it would only be by one day right?
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/09/2008 02:24 am
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dember - 8/2/2008  10:22 PM

They have enough consumables for an extension. If there was an extension it would only be by one day right?

Yes.
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Post by: JohnV on 02/09/2008 03:00 am
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ChrisC - 8/2/2008  5:18 PM

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JohnV - 8/2/2008  6:06 PM
Is it standard for the starboard door to open part way, re-close, then completely open?  Just curious since the port door didn't seem to follow the same pattern.
That was tape deck shuttling.  They fast forwarded to the interesting part, then backed it up, then played back at regular speed.  You can tell because A) it did the motion reversal, B) the door moved WAY too fast, and C) you see macroblocking artifacts.  It's not really macroblocking (in the MPEG2 sense), but typical of shuttling DigiBeta decks, which is what I assume they're using.  Could be hard drive, of course, but it's still the same thing.  Overshoot the start, go back, play.

Ahh, ok, thanks.  I thought it was kind of odd.  I didn't notice any speed oddities, mainly because the internet connection I was on does strange things anyway.

Thanks again!
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Post by: ChrisC on 02/09/2008 04:57 am
Yeah, well, I was watching it straight off the NASA satellite feed :)  The only way you're going to get higher quality than that is to sit in their TV control room ...
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Post by: Spiff on 02/09/2008 08:39 am
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Jim - 9/2/2008 1:34 AM
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ntschke - 8/2/2008 7:23 PM

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Jim - 8/2/2008 6:28 PM my reply stills applicable. PAO simplifies things

Your reply didn't answer the question. If you don't want to that's fine...just trying to determine if the vehicle is actually "speeding up" to compensate for the higher (and larger) orbit or if there are other factors involved.

Can't answer it. Don't know the actual direction of the burn. It physically can't speed up in a higher orbit. For a each point in a given orbit, velocity and altitude are fixed. change the velocity and it changes the orbit A positive burn would result in a higher orbit and therefore slower. Hence the confusion in what PAO said.

 Ok, glad to know that my knowledge of orbital mechanics is enough to understand that PAO's statement couldn't make sense. Even if I didn't trust my own judgement. :P

Thanks everyone for your answers!

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Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/12/2008 08:22 pm
Bump'n'lock to keep the running order..