Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/07/2008 02:31 am
LAUNCH DAY NEWS ARTICLE: http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5349 - will be updated throughout this launch attempt. This will be a one stop place for key events during the countdown.
This is the live update thread for the launch. Should we have a successful launch, it will continue as the Flight Day 1 Live Update thread. Each Flight Day will have a specific thread.
Below are the rules for what is always a very busy day on this site - which is the world's most visited shuttle news media site regardless, so you can imagine what it's like during a mission (please take note):
Firstly, if you are guest, please note it is recommended that you create yourself a login, as we protect the site's servers in the event of overloading by making it member only, see here:
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This is a live update thread, so we do not want any "woo hoo, go Atlantis" comments clogging up the updates. We have a cheerleading thread for your best wishes:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=10978&start=1
We also have a separate weather specific thread, for comments on the status of the pre-launch weather:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=11725&start=1
If you are in Florida for the launch and need tips on where to go for best viewing, we have a thread for that:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=10458&start=1
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For L2 users, we will have the flagship specific live sections for missions (you'll get to see what's going on at MCC, MOD, MER, and with the MMT as they get to see them). I will copy some paraphrased notes of interest into this thread.
L2 regulars will know it's the only place in the world which contains live NASA/USA etc documentation, images, video. memos and notes from actual engineers and managers working the mission as it happens. STS-120 went over 3,000mb of information and we're already past that with STS-122, so you get the idea! If you don't:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=9944&start=1
God Speed Atlantis.
Post by: generic_handle_42 on 02/07/2008 02:48 am
Here is the NASA TV schedule for today's launch as well as for FD 1. The full mission TV schedule can be found at: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/mission_schedule.html
Now, time for some sleep before tanking.
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Waiting for the go for tanking.
Will we get the go for tanking today with the dismal weather forecast?
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shuttlefan - 7/2/2008 11:08 AMChallenger lesson: Tank even if weather forecast is bad. See STS-116/12A.1 for a recent example of this.QuoteChris Bergin - 7/2/2008 4:06 AM
Waiting for the go for tanking.
Will we get the go for tanking today with the dismal weather forecast?
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Post by: psloss on 02/07/2008 09:16 am
They have skipped attempts recently at least in part based on weather forecasts, such as with STS-116 after the first attempt.
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/07/2008 09:37 am
And that timing appears correct (thanks Mr Diller :) )
Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/07/2008 09:51 am
Slow fill for LH2.
Still in chilldown for LOX, should start slow fill in about 10 minutes.
ECO's to go WET at around 6:05 AM EST.
Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/07/2008 09:54 am
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/07/2008 09:56 am
SIM Command not started yet. Optimistic about getting 4/4 ECO's, but time will tell. We should know within an hour (generally faster here!).
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dember - 7/2/2008 5:57 AMSort of. As was noted, if the problem is somehow related to the previous behavior (i.e., the fix hypothetically didn't fix the problem), they'd have to discuss that a lot. If the circuit is down due to a larger problem (like an MDM failure), that would fit the LCC more closely. (But then that's a hypothetical MDM problem and who knows if that would be acceptable...)
good news is 3/4 insted of 4/4.
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5% sensor is WET.
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Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/07/2008 10:22 am
So far so good, as per PAO.
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/07/2008 10:23 am
Now, they need to continue to behave.
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elmarko - 7/2/2008 6:24 AMNASA TV (or NASA TV-KSC) usually doesn't bring the audio up until sometime around when the crew starts getting in the orbiter.
I've never watched a shuttle launch on NASA TV this early before, do you still get the radio loops behind it, or is it just George Diller? Tuning in at work, you see :)
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Thanks in advance if anyone has a link...
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Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/07/2008 11:13 am
Orbiter not working any issues of note (listed some of them in the latest article). No constraints to launch.
Post by: Bejowawo on 02/07/2008 11:20 am
Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/07/2008 11:23 am
LOX at 50 percent.
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Post by: John44 on 02/07/2008 11:39 am
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3295&Itemid=2
Post by: generic_handle_42 on 02/07/2008 11:44 am
Post by: Bejowawo on 02/07/2008 11:49 am
30 minutes to the next built in hold, everything seems nominal at this time of the count
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ntschke - 7/2/2008 6:43 AM
Does anyone know of a link where you can track realtime (or almost realtime) launch telemetry? I found one years back but can't seem to dig anything up. I basically showed downrange, alt, speed, etc, etc. I checked NASA's site but finding stuff there is almost impossible.
Thanks in advance if anyone has a link...
Heavens Above is a good site. You have to set up a user name and password. It also has tracking of about anything in the sky.
http://www.heavens-above.com/main.aspx?Session=kebgcpadiajldaliapagkclc
Post by: Bejowawo on 02/07/2008 12:19 pm
The Final Inspection Team should be heading out to the launch pad shortly and perform their inspection
Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/07/2008 12:19 pm
- Perform inertial measurement unit preflight calibration
- Align Merritt Island Launch Area tracking antennas
- Perform open loop test with Eastern Range
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Lawntonlookirs - 7/2/2008 8:08 AMQuotentschke - 7/2/2008 6:43 AM Does anyone know of a link where you can track realtime (or almost realtime) launch telemetry? I found one years back but can't seem to dig anything up. I basically showed downrange, alt, speed, etc, etc. I checked NASA's site but finding stuff there is almost impossible. Thanks in advance if anyone has a link...Heavens Above is a good site. You have to set up a user name and password. It also has tracking of about anything in the sky. http://www.heavens-above.com/main.aspx?Session=kebgcpadiajldaliapagkclc
I've used that site a lot and do have an account there. Their ISS and sat predictions are very accurate. However, what I'm looking for, (and I know I've see it somewhere in the past) is something showing vehicle data during the launch. Thanks anyway...
Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/07/2008 12:21 pm
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Would love to be at home now for screenshots. This is a good video!
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Post by: John44 on 02/07/2008 12:24 pm
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3296&Itemid=2
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dember - 7/2/2008 2:26 PMThat won't be known until the Final Inspection Team goes to the pad to look for ice and frost build up on the ET and orbiter.
Anyone know of any ice build up on the ET?
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Diller: Criteria during launch?
Lyons: LCC on this system is 3 out of 4 systems working in order to launch. Currently 4/4, expect to be that way through T-0.
(Basic transcript, may have missed some things but....)
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So far everything running very smoothly - hope the weather cooperates for launch!
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EDIT: And with this, I go to class. Back around 2 PM EST or so for some updates, and if we launch, I'll be grabbing shots for that too. :) GO ATLANTIS!
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Some interesting shots of the final inspection team doing their job.
The guy on the left of that image is a member of this site's forum, if I'm recognizing him correctly :)
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Chris Bergin - 7/2/2008 9:10 AMQuotegeneric_handle_42 - 7/2/2008 2:00 PM
Some interesting shots of the final inspection team doing their job.
The guy on the left of that image is a member of this site's forum, if I'm recognizing him correctly :)
And THAT is why this place is awesome (among many other reasons). :cool:
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View of the Final Inspection Team inside the white room.
It's the Closeout Crew.
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Post by: Bejowawo on 02/07/2008 01:45 pm
Slightly more than 1 hour remaining in the scheduled hold at T-3 hours.
Still everything nominal!
Closeout Crew already inside the White Room, awaiting the arrival of the crew.
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Chris Bergin - 7/2/2008 10:05 AMGood to hear, but the whole vehicle needs to be behave!
Just to pass on, nothing being worked at this time. Atlantis is behaving herself.
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psloss - 7/2/2008 2:06 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 7/2/2008 10:05 AMGood to hear, but the whole vehicle needs to be behave!
Just to pass on, nothing being worked at this time. Atlantis is behaving herself.
And the weather needs to behave!
BTW - great coverage from you guys and girls!
I'm currently on a customer site - which is about 60 miles from home - hopefully I'll be back in time for T-0!
Cheers
Lee
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LSainsbury - 7/2/2008 10:12 AMCan't do anything about the weather except watch what it does.Quotepsloss - 7/2/2008 2:06 PM
Good to hear, but the whole vehicle needs to be behave!
And the weather needs to behave!
Post by: generic_handle_42 on 02/07/2008 02:13 pm
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http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3297&Itemid=2
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psloss - 7/2/2008 3:06 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 7/2/2008 10:05 AMGood to hear, but the whole vehicle needs to be behave!
Just to pass on, nothing being worked at this time. Atlantis is behaving herself.
Yes, the whole stack :)
There's that SRB aft skirt heater GN2 purge temp which dropped to 68 deg F for 31 minutes, but they've got a contingency plan if that happens again.
Bar that, nadda!
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T-3 hours and counting.
George Diller notes how smooth the count is going....and that's an understatement. There's been smooth counts, but always chatter on the LCC and MMT loops (which we copy into L2), but I've never known it to be this smooth.
(Sorry if I just jinxed something) ;)
Post by: generic_handle_42 on 02/07/2008 02:56 pm
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http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5333
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The discussion is ability to stack Discovery to the LON stack (that was for Endeavour) in case of a rescue being required and they are checking timelines for the change.
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Chris Bergin - 7/2/2008 10:13 AM
Urgent discussions taking place about LON after Endeavour was withdrawn this morning. Will write up memos going into L2.
The discussion is ability to stack Discovery to the LON stack (that was for Endeavour) in case of a rescue being required and they are checking timelines for the change.
What do you mean "Endeavour was withdrawn"?
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Urgent discussions taking place about LON after Endeavour was withdrawn this morning. Will write up memos going into L2.
I realize the discussions are ongoing, so no final words yet, but at least say why was Endeavour withdrawn this morning.
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Thx.
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joncz - 7/2/2008 4:23 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 7/2/2008 11:13 AM
Urgent discussions taking place about LON after Endeavour was withdrawn this morning. Will write up memos going into L2.
I realize the discussions are ongoing, so no final words yet, but at least say why was Endeavour withdrawn this morning.
HEPA filter contamination problem. Was noted on 123 processing notes on L2 yesterday morning, but they've found it's in bad shape (and obviously not simple to R&R).
Discovery will be the LON vehicle for STS-122, and appears to be doable, so no constaint to STS-122.
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HEPA filter contamination problem. Was noted on 123 processing notes on L2 yesterday morning, but they've found it's in bad shape (and obviously not simple to R&R).Wrong place and time to ask but will that affect STS-123?
Discovery will be the LON vehicle for STS-122, and appears to be doable, so no constaint to STS-122.
Thanks
Ian
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ichilton - 7/2/2008 4:36 PMQuoteHEPA filter contamination problem. Was noted on 123 processing notes on L2 yesterday morning, but they've found it's in bad shape (and obviously not simple to R&R).Wrong place and time to ask but will that affect STS-123?
Discovery will be the LON vehicle for STS-122, and appears to be doable, so no constaint to STS-122.
Thanks
Ian
I'm writing it up (with an updated L2 based countdown update for 122) so I'll start a seperate thread for Endeavour to keep the discussions in the right place. Give me 30 mins :)
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Edit: Please somebody have taken a screen of the bunny ears.
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:)
Can you change your file extension from png to jpg?
It requires less data.
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Both SRB recovery ships are on station.
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STS-122 launch day activities - 1
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3287&Itemid=2
STS-122 launch day activities - 2
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3288&Itemid=2
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http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5350
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Final launch time confirmed.
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Window open is 19:40:29Z; window close is 19:50:30Z. The preferred, in-plane T-0 time may be updated in the hold at T-9 minutes; if not, it's as previously noted: 19:45:30Z.
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(Read the news site www.nasaspaceflight.com articles and you would have already known -James, Moderator).
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lcs - 7/2/2008 7:46 PMHmm, might be related to Ascent Flight Director Norm Knight's call to NTD Jeff Spaulding. Lost audio after that.
May I have your attention please? Off-mike or on?
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lcs - 7/2/2008 1:46 PMI think that's the announcement made to visitors on-site at KSC (i.e., in the blast danger area) about the exhaust cloud, etc. Just forgot to mute that bit for the TV audience.
May I have your attention please? Off-mike or on?
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Caution/warning memory is clear, PLB purge complete for flight.
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psloss - 7/2/2008 1:57 PM
Currently no-go for RTLS weather -- if I heard it correctly there's a shower inside the 20 nautical mile radius around the SLF.
Actually the area around the SLF is clear of precip at this time based on the latest radar image through the NOAA Melbourne site. The concern is there are thunderstorms now developing north and northeast of Orlando and they are about 45 miles away and may move into the 20 naut. mile circle of the RTLS SLF zone during the liftoff or at the RTLS time (about 30 - 45 minutes after launch), this will be a dynamic call today.
Yes I am aware there is a weather thread here, I have that open on my computer as well, I just wanted to provide some insight into the matter here.
Richard
Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/07/2008 06:14 pm
Please also note, no more than two images per post.
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Mark Kirkman
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Besides, launch time is in-plane time:14:45:30 pm EST.
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eeergo - 7/2/2008 8:19 PMIssue have been resolved.
SRO's comms seem to be deficient, that or the console officer's not listening to NTD.
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We will take images aplenty during the launch, and I can tidy up dulplicates later on.
I would prefer the regulars to post. If you're new or don't usually post, to ensure we keep the site running smooth, please just observe for the launch itself.
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Recorder activation complete, hold released.
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God Speed Atlantis.
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MAX Q.
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Tracking cameras went slightly off.
SRB SEP.
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OMS engines are firing.
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Did not see any foam liberation.
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Negative Return.
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Well done to all those teams that made this possible. Thank you for this incredible moment. And an even bigger thanks to Chris, and the people who keep this forum the way it is, for allowing us to follow it for ourselves. Looking forward to a great mission. Europe is in space!! :)
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Oli4 - 7/2/2008 2:55 PMI think it's normal; my guess is that the sun angle highlighted the main engine plume differently than we've seen with the ET camera in the past.
I see al ot of particles floating around there.... or is it just the plasma
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Chris Bergin - 7/2/2008 8:49 PMMaybe not foam, but I saw loads of particles coming from the aft of the orbiter. Not sure if it was from the SSMEs, the RCS or the OMS.
4,000 mph velocity.
Did not see any foam liberation.
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http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/pdf/202926main_sts122_ascent_checklist.pdf
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Also, did they really roll the other way?
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psloss - 7/2/2008 1:58 PMQuoteOli4 - 7/2/2008 2:55 PMI think it's normal; my guess is that the sun angle highlighted the main engine plume differently than we've seen with the ET camera in the past.
I see al ot of particles floating around there.... or is it just the plasma
I agree. It was a very back-lit scene, similar to STS-121. Probably the best launch I've seen yet! Just gorgeous. Good luck Atlantis! See you in a couple of weeks!
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Anyway: beautiful launch! And spectacular sep (due to lighting). Thanks to all who provided pics too... Seems (except for one moment during ascent) we had some really great cam views from the guys at KSC!
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elmarko - 7/2/2008 3:02 PM There was an issue requiring no action from the crew, anyone catch it? Also, did they really roll the other way?
There was a cabin pressure alarm I believe, but determined to be sensor related.
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Did like seeing an extended view from the ET camera after separation. Someday would love to somehow see a view from the camera all the way through to re-entry, though I doubt that's possible...
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elmarko - 7/2/2008 9:02 PMCabin DP/DT and yes. The roll to heads-up have been done for quite a while now!
There was an issue requiring no action from the crew, anyone catch it?
Also, did they really roll the other way?
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Quick, look up everyone in England... a Shuttle and ET are passing overhead!
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"Spreading" ?
The time-period shortly after launch when the crew and ground are out of communication with one another for about a minute or so. I believe the ground can communicate to the crew, but the crew can't respond.
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DaveS - 7/2/2008 2:06 PMQuoteelmarko - 7/2/2008 9:02 PMCabin DP/DT and yes. The roll to heads-up have been done for quite a while now!
There was an issue requiring no action from the crew, anyone catch it?
Also, did they really roll the other way?
Yes, but they rolled the opposite direction this time. Is was clockwise instead of counter clockwise.
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Why does the graphic show Atlantis flying backwards?I believe she flys backwards to minimize risk of MMOD hits on the crew cabin, but doubtless someone who actually knows can confirm/correct.
(edit: must stop calling her "it"!)
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nathan.moeller - 7/2/2008 2:56 PM
Did anyone notice that they rolled the opposite way? Very interesting. Also, lots of debris shedding from the aft. I'm assuming that's ice. Saw a large chunk of what I'm sure was ice under the left wing at ET sep. Beautiful flight! Go Atlantis!
Yes the guidance system on Atlantis will decide to roll to heads-up either rolling left or right to improve comm with the TDRS system through S-band only (KU is not available until the payload bay doors are open of course). This left or right roll to heads up decision is decided by the GPCs and is completely normal.
We saw more ice coming from the aft of the vehicle this time as the sun was directly behind the ET/shuttle at ET sep and it highlighted the ice particles more than usual, once again completely normal.
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nathan.moeller - 7/2/2008 3:03 PMLooking at ET sep on 121, this ascent takes that lighting pretty much to its extreme. The ET camera was in the orbiter's shadow at MECO and Sun becomes visible after the orbiter separates. On 121, the sun is just out of the field of view of the camera.
I agree. It was a very back-lit scene, similar to STS-121. Probably the best launch I've seen yet! Just gorgeous. Good luck Atlantis! See you in a couple of weeks!
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Guys, we KNOW about the roll to heads up, we just assumed it was always the same way. This appeared to be different. What determines the roll direction?
The on board guidance system decides which way to roll to heads up to provide the fastest and best linkup to the TDRS system for S-band comm, only the GPCs (shuttle's computers) know why they decided to roll in the direction they did.
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00197 and 00198 are for the record, for sure.
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Lawntonlookirs - 7/2/2008 3:29 PMBoth.
Question: Just before the ET seperated from the Shuttle, a halo like picture was comeing off the back of the suttle. It appeared to be the exaust from the shuttle rocket engines just before shut down. Is that normal or was it just way the light was shining as the shuttle was entering the approaching sunset?
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shame they wern't bigger as yep a beautifull launch
i was hoping for some good sized replay m.e tank sep pics,
did i miss them ?
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Question: Just before the ET seperated from the Shuttle, a halo like picture was comeing off the back of the suttle. It appeared to be the exaust from the shuttle rocket engines just before shut down. Is that normal or was it just way the light was shining as the shuttle was entering the approaching sunset?
Perfectly normal. It's the exhaust plume from the SSMEs. It becomes more and more visible as the vehicle accelerates faster and faster.
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psloss - 7/2/2008 8:31 PMSo the OMS engines are still firing at ET sep? For how long after?QuoteLawntonlookirs - 7/2/2008 3:29 PMBoth.
Question: Just before the ET seperated from the Shuttle, a halo like picture was comeing off the back of the suttle. It appeared to be the exaust from the shuttle rocket engines just before shut down. Is that normal or was it just way the light was shining as the shuttle was entering the approaching sunset?
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mikes - 7/2/2008 9:33 PMNo! The OMS engines are not firing at ET-sep.
So the OMS engines are still firing at ET sep? For how long after?
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Question: Just before the ET seperated from the Shuttle, a halo like picture was comeing off the back of the suttle. It appeared to be the exaust from the shuttle rocket engines just before shut down. Is that normal or was it just way the light was shining as the shuttle was entering the approaching sunset?
No. The OMS fire for about 2-3 minutes in the middle of the launch period. The RCS jets fire after MECO to stabilize and maneuver the orbiter.
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DaveS - 7/2/2008 8:36 PMOh, ok just the cloud of SSME effluvia then? How far away is it at that point? Looked right behind Atlantis.Quotemikes - 7/2/2008 9:33 PMNo! The OMS engines are not firing at ET-sep.
So the OMS engines are still firing at ET sep? For how long after?
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No. The OMS fire for about 2-3 minutes in the middle of the launch period. The RCS jets fire after MECO to stabilize and maneuver the orbiter.Ah! Came the dawn :)
I always think of the RCS as being tiny. They're not.
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Oh, ok just the cloud of SSME effluvia then? How far away is it at that point? Looked right behind Atlantis.
MPS propellent venting after MECO. LOX vent through the engines, LH2 vent out the port side (at the umbilical fuel port).
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Anyone know where I can get a copy of the Post Insertion checklist (I'm an L2 subscriber if that's necessary)?
Here:
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Question: Just before the ET seperated from the Shuttle, a halo like picture was comeing off the back of the suttle. It appeared to be the exaust from the shuttle rocket engines just before shut down. Is that normal or was it just way the light was shining as the shuttle was entering the approaching sunset?
Perfectly normal. It's the exhaust plume from the SSMEs. It becomes more and more visible as the vehicle accelerates faster and faster.
This huge plume is characteristic of rockets nozzles in the vacuum of space. The zero pressure allows the gases to expand far more than at launch. I believe this is called underexpanded.
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DaveS - 7/2/2008 3:43 PM
History repeated itself today: 7 years ago today Atlantis launched on the STS-98/5A mission with the Destiny Lab. Today Atlantis launched on mission STS-122/1E with the Columbus Lab.
Wow, didn't realize that! Hardly seems like 7 years....
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Question: Just before the ET seperated from the Shuttle, a halo like picture was comeing off the back of the suttle. It appeared to be the exaust from the shuttle rocket engines just before shut down. Is that normal or was it just way the light was shining as the shuttle was entering the approaching sunset?
Perfectly normal. It's the exhaust plume from the SSMEs. It becomes more and more visible as the vehicle accelerates faster and faster.
This huge plume is characteristic of rockets nozzles in the vacuum of space. The zero pressure allows the gases to expand far more than at launch. I believe this is called underexpanded.
Watch a video of the Expedition 11 launch sometime. As the Soyuz heads uphill, you can see the launch plume expand outward as its altitude increases.
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VB94 - 7/2/2008 3:48 PMQuotekegan - 7/2/2008 2:44 PM
Anyone know where I can get a copy of the Post Insertion checklist (I'm an L2 subscriber if that's necessary)?
Here:
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/news/flightdatafiles/index.html
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vt_hokie - 7/2/2008 8:50 PMQuoteDaveS - 7/2/2008 3:43 PM
History repeated itself today: 7 years ago today Atlantis launched on the STS-98/5A mission with the Destiny Lab. Today Atlantis launched on mission STS-122/1E with the Columbus Lab.
Wow, didn't realize that! Hardly seems like 7 years....
Gerst picks up on that too.
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There was one debris incident during ascent (at least), looks like it was past the dangerous point of ascent.
Are there any details? Good news either way.
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Has anyone noticed that Doug Lyon's tie has been cut? I seem to remember this happening to the NTD on a launch last year.
LCC's rite of passage ;)
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Chris Bergin - 7/2/2008 10:00 PMHe has been busy with the count for the last few hours(and days!). And also, he's not on the MMT.
Someone's not giving the memo to Doug on Endeavour!
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DaveS - 7/2/2008 9:04 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 7/2/2008 10:00 PMHe has been busy with the count for the last few hours(and days!). And also, he's not on the MMT.
Someone's not giving the memo to Doug on Endeavour!
True enough.
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psloss - 7/2/2008 3:12 PMI went ahead and did a comparison between the two for lighting; what's striking is how much better the quality of the video from ET camera on today's launch is compared to 121...
Looking at ET sep on 121, this ascent takes that lighting pretty much to its extreme. The ET camera was in the orbiter's shadow at MECO and Sun becomes visible after the orbiter separates. On 121, the sun is just out of the field of view of the camera.
121 on top, 122 on bottom...
Edit -- added a snap from STS-121 after the orbiter clears the view to show where the Sun was...
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psloss - 7/2/2008 10:23 PMIt's live. Was downlinked through JSC. Last time we got "JSC video" was on STS-112/9A.
Some early video from orbit (I think it's live).
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eeergo - 7/2/2008 4:26 PMThe Ku antenna is stowed with the doors closed. :)
Yes, I think PLBD opening is coming up now. Let's hope they can keep Ku working so that we can see it live.
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psloss - 7/2/2008 10:27 PMYes. You could see it first few seconds of the video.Quoteeeergo - 7/2/2008 4:26 PMThe Ku antenna is stowed with the doors closed. :)
Yes, I think PLBD opening is coming up now. Let's hope they can keep Ku working so that we can see it live.
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PLBD opening in work.
EDIT: Yes, I didn't know S-band was had such a big data rate, so I thought maybe they were relaying Ku by some other means. I stand corrected then :)
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S-band has video capability when over a ground station, but only sequental stills when routed through TDRS.
Ah ha! (Thanks!)
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eeergo - 7/2/2008 4:39 PMThe issue is when the doors are closed, not opened.
No issues with Freon loops, hose was ok as expected.
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That BBC journalist who asked a question at the presser is currently slagging off NASA on BBC News 24 for all manner of BS. Unbelievable and rediculous journalism.
Yes sensationalism again... on Sky TV now as 'breaking news - at least 3 pieces of debris come off space shuttle'
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siegfriedcqb - 7/2/2008 9:43 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 7/2/2008 3:36 PM
That BBC journalist who asked a question at the presser is currently slagging off NASA on BBC News 24 for all manner of BS. Unbelievable and rediculous journalism.
Yes sensationalism again... on Sky TV now as 'breaking news - at least 3 pieces of debris come off space shuttle'
Made a phone call to the BBC, explained it to them, and got them to change it :)
Gordo, can you sort out Sky?
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Out of interest, Chris, who did you phone at Sky? Do you have a contact there?
I did the BBC, didn't see Sky's until now, but they would probably be copying BBC, so it should all come out in the wash :)
Might need to start a dumb media thread...as I took this off the live updates...so I'm off to ban myself to teach me a lesson ;)
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What was the foam issue?
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Some early video from orbit (I think it's live).
In my quest for new angles on video, just once I would love to see video recorded in the cargo bay during launch to see how the vibrations affect the payloads, if at all...
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This is a realy cool pic.
Wow! That's beautiful... can you post that in high-res somewhere? :D
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That BBC journalist who asked a question at the presser is currently slagging off NASA on BBC News 24 for all manner of BS. Unbelievable and rediculous journalism.
Yes sensationalism again... on Sky TV now as 'breaking news - at least 3 pieces of debris come off space shuttle'
Dare I say it?
Atlantis is doomed?
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This is a realy cool pic.
Wow! That's beautiful... can you post that in high-res somewhere? :D
sorry i can't it's a small pic. Maybe someone finds this pic in an better resolution.
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Chris Bergin - 7/2/2008 9:53 PMQuotesiegfriedcqb - 7/2/2008 9:43 PMQuoteChris Bergin - 7/2/2008 3:36 PM
That BBC journalist who asked a question at the presser is currently slagging off NASA on BBC News 24 for all manner of BS. Unbelievable and rediculous journalism.
Yes sensationalism again... on Sky TV now as 'breaking news - at least 3 pieces of debris come off space shuttle'
Made a phone call to the BBC, explained it to them, and got them to change it :)
Gordo, can you sort out Sky?
Sorry, Not on shift today. I would not worry too much its a one line statement thats forgotten about in a matter of minutes. At this time of night the story probably came from as a red alert on the news wires from AP. All the urgent news wires all flash up on a screen in front of the Studio team, so they home in on something that sounds like a story and put it to air as quickly as they can.
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NC-1 burn coming up in about an hour.
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Ford Mustang - 7/2/2008 5:11 PM
Debris report: Pretty clean launch, did see a few pieces of debris (at least 3) on the LH2 feedline [from what I hear]. Did not see an impact at that time, but obviously being looked at.
Let's hope Marcia "They're all gonna die!" Dunn hasn't seen that yet...
EDIT: and the shot directly above this post... NICE! I see fluffy bunny clouds! (incidentally, did anybody else notice the shapes of the clouds before launch? I saw a goose, and Bill the Cat, and 8 or 9 monsters!)
Okay, so I'm a bit delirious. I'm home from work with the flu.
Post by: Coolhand77 on 02/07/2008 09:29 pm
The SSME's are also being throttled down during this period because they will be pushing too hard against a lighter load and they need to maintain <=3G's. The engines are burning hydrogen rich, not at an optimum mixture ratio, and you will get more visible exhaust products.
The RCS is firing pretty often during ET sep along with the MPS venting and it makes for a pretty spectacular display.
However, I don't remember any other ET video showing this much venting/firing.
Post by: nathan.moeller on 02/07/2008 09:30 pm
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Coolhand77 - 7/2/2008 4:29 PM
However, I don't remember any other ET video showing this much venting/firing.
All has to do with the sun angle.
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Chandonn - 7/2/2008 4:25 PMQuoteFord Mustang - 7/2/2008 5:11 PM
Debris report: Pretty clean launch, did see a few pieces of debris (at least 3) on the LH2 feedline [from what I hear]. Did not see an impact at that time, but obviously being looked at.
Let's hope Marcia "They're all gonna die!" Dunn hasn't seen that yet...
EDIT: and the shot directly above this post... NICE! I see fluffy bunny clouds! (incidentally, did anybody else notice the shapes of the clouds before launch? I saw a goose, and Bill the Cat, and 8 or 9 monsters!)
Okay, so I'm a bit delirious. I'm home from work with the flu.
The goose was really cool... several people here commented on it... :)
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nathan.moeller - 7/2/2008 4:33 PM
Just ignore the ignorant mass media who sensationalize minor events in futile attempts to mess up a good thing. Nobody really cares what they think.
Sad that this isn't true. People who don't know better see it, believe it, and tell their Congressman NASA is screwing up and the money is spent better elsewhere.
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JohnV - 7/2/2008 4:40 PMQuotenathan.moeller - 7/2/2008 4:33 PM
Just ignore the ignorant mass media who sensationalize minor events in futile attempts to mess up a good thing. Nobody really cares what they think.
Sad that this isn't true. People who don't know better see it, believe it, and tell their Congressman NASA is screwing up and the money is spent better elsewhere.
I should clarify. Nobody who knows anything about NASA and what they do cares what they think. Also, no one who has seen this chart cares what they think.
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Post by: spacebudget on 02/07/2008 10:57 pm
Long time lurker, but if anyones interested, here's my youtube vid of the launch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mj87_ECxbI
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Post by: TJL on 02/07/2008 11:13 pm
Thanks for sharing!
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TJL - 7/2/2008 7:13 PM
Great video...where exactly were you viewing from?
Thanks for sharing!
From the Mosquito Lagoon, just south of the Haulover Canal, about 12.4 miles from Pad A.
And thanks for the nice words, everyone.
Post by: elmarko on 02/07/2008 11:25 pm
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Running the ascent flight control team video replay now...hoping they didn't edit the hell out of it this time...
And hopefully someone's recorded it, as I guess I've missed it?
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And how about that barrel-roll ice debris?
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ApolloLee - 8/2/2008 1:30 AMI thought it looked like a comet when it was venting! That was the by far best ET handheld video so far! This flight is just getting better by the minute!
The venting is extremely cool (woo hoo! something I haven't seen before)... Actually looks like the ET is sending out cartoon sound waves (I'm sure there's a better comparison, but I can't think of it.)
And how about that barrel-roll ice debris?
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I know this might be Q and A material but why is the venting taking place? Not like the tank needs to be used again and I'm not sure it matters if it still has fuel inside for re-entry...
They don't want the ET to explode due to overpressure. That would create a hazard for the shuttle which is still in the vicinity and may create some orbital debris.
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I know this might be Q and A material but why is the venting taking place? Not like the tank needs to be used again and I'm not sure it matters if it still has fuel inside for re-entry...
The venting causes the tank to tumble. Makes it break up higher in the atmosphere, I believe
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spacebudget - 8/2/2008 1:43 AMQuoteApolloLee - 7/2/2008 7:34 PM
I know this might be Q and A material but why is the venting taking place? Not like the tank needs to be used again and I'm not sure it matters if it still has fuel inside for re-entry...
The venting causes the tank to tumble. Makes it break up higher in the atmosphere, I believe
"The liquid oxygen tank contains a separate, pyrotechnically operated, propulsive tumble vent valve at its forward end. At separation, the liquid oxygen tumble vent valve is opened, providing impulse to assist in the separation maneuver and more positive control of the entry aerodynamics of the ET." from http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/et.html
I am not sure if my reasoning is also valid. :)
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The venting in this video really does make this spectacular...
Where can I find the video?
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ZeeNL - 7/2/2008 7:57 PMFWIW, that reference is way out of date...I believe the tumble valve was deleted from the tank a long time ago...
"The liquid oxygen tank contains a separate, pyrotechnically operated, propulsive tumble vent valve at its forward end. At separation, the liquid oxygen tumble vent valve is opened, providing impulse to assist in the separation maneuver and more positive control of the entry aerodynamics of the ET." from http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/et.html
Edit -- I'm going to post a link to a Usenet thread on this in the Q&A thread...
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haywoodfloyd - 7/2/2008 8:06 PMLook for John44 to post it, hopefully. He has been posting links to those videos in this thread (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=10045&posts=62#M239582).Quotepsloss - 7/2/2008 7:30 PM
The venting in this video really does make this spectacular...
Where can I find the video?
The home page for his site is:
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/
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DaveS - 7/2/2008 7:32 PMQuoteApolloLee - 8/2/2008 1:30 AMI thought it looked like a comet when it was venting! That was the by far best ET handheld video so far! This flight is just getting better by the minute!
The venting is extremely cool (woo hoo! something I haven't seen before)... Actually looks like the ET is sending out cartoon sound waves (I'm sure there's a better comparison, but I can't think of it.)
And how about that barrel-roll ice debris?
where did you see the venting video/photos? cant find em anywhere
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NasaPhotographer - 7/2/2008 9:00 PMThey are referring to handheld video shot by the crew after ET separation...it was downlinked a couple of hours ago and went out live on NASA TV at the time...
where did you see the venting video/photos? cant find em anywhere
...NASA TV is currently running FD1 highlights. If you can view NASA TV, I would expect excerpts of the handheld video of the ET to show up in the highlights in the next few minutes. (It's now 9:15 pm Eastern.)
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psloss - 7/2/2008 9:12 PMQuoteNasaPhotographer - 7/2/2008 9:00 PMThey are referring to handheld video shot by the crew after ET separation...it was downlinked a couple of hours ago and went out live on NASA TV at the time...
where did you see the venting video/photos? cant find em anywhere
...NASA TV is currently running FD1 highlights. If you can view NASA TV, I would expect excerpts of the handheld video of the ET to show up in the highlights in the next few minutes. (It's now 9:15 pm Eastern.)
ahhh yes, i remember hearing it on the radio channel as i was driving home, didnt see it though. im sure good ol jester will have it up in no time :)
ok, seen it on the replays, wow!! that was cool. i didnt even know the tank did that.
it would be neat if it were possible to watch the tank as it falls all the way and begins to burn up and see it start to break up and such.
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Post by: Steve B on 02/08/2008 02:00 am
I'm in the UK but have been glued to NasaTV online for most of the day, and the information, pics and commentary on this thread have been the perfect accompaniment to the visuals and sounds on NTV.
I'm planning to come over late August and [hopefully] view the STS-125 Atlantis launch, and it's been exciting today to see Atlantis finally get off the ground with Columbus... and what a superb launch it was.
Thanks again!
Steve
P.S. I've followed missions before but 'Spaceflight' is undoubtedly the best website for the job, will be subscribing to L2 very shortly. ;)
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the venting was from the intertank area which would mean it is H2
Very cool - a few pics that I liked from day 1-- ET sep was awesome, great sun angle
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trlstyle - 7/2/2008 11:04 PM
Ill post photos ASAP, i had the chance to make it to KSC today. What a nice day it turned out to be, and such a magnificent launch!
i wish i could meet some of you guys that make it to ksc. i prolly already have but dont know it, most likely spoken to one of ya at one point or another or shared info. and if provided, im sure you'd know who I was as well. :cool:
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NasaPhotographer - 7/2/2008 11:08 PMQuotetrlstyle - 7/2/2008 11:04 PM
Ill post photos ASAP, i had the chance to make it to KSC today. What a nice day it turned out to be, and such a magnificent launch!
i wish i could meet some of you guys that make it to ksc. i prolly already have but dont know it, most likely spoken to one of ya at one point or another or shared info. and if provided, im sure you'd know who I was as well. :cool:
Its a slim chance, but i may know who you are. Who are you contracted to shoot for? NASA or a 3rd party? I would love to talk photo with you, be sure to check my EXIF info. :)
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hyper_snyper - 8/2/2008 3:28 PMWow, can you say "DVD menu background"? :)
trlstyle, do you have that in wallpaper size?
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hyper_snyper - 7/2/2008 11:28 PMSure do, I shot it!:cool: Shoot me a PM with your email. I must disclaimer that there is really minor post processing - i will probably continue to work on the file...i just wanted to get some eye candy up here.
trlstyle, do you have that in wallpaper size?
PS...include res size.
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trlstyle - 7/2/2008 11:34 PMQuoteTahii - 7/2/2008 11:31 PMHaha, rule of 3rds my friend! I can NOT center things for the life of me - it really bugs me. I was shooting at anywhere from 3-10 frames per second, so i have a lot of options as far as orbiter placement in the frame, i just started to edit that one.Quotehyper_snyper - 8/2/2008 3:28 PMWow, can you say "DVD menu background"? :)
trlstyle, do you have that in wallpaper size?
looks pretty good!!!
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Ford Mustang - 7/2/2008 12:15 AM
Just watching the FD1 highlights before sleep.. What an awesome shot before SSME ignition!
I know. I really wish they would have stayed with that shot for SSME start. Oh well... one can dream for 123.
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Trekkie07 - 7/2/2008 11:49 PMQuoteFord Mustang - 7/2/2008 12:15 AM
Just watching the FD1 highlights before sleep.. What an awesome shot before SSME ignition!
I know. I really wish they would have stayed with that shot for SSME start. Oh well... one can dream for 123.
And that shot would be at night if things go well with Endeavour over the course of the next month.
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nathan.moeller - 8/2/2008 1:01 AMQuoteTrekkie07 - 7/2/2008 11:49 PMQuoteFord Mustang - 7/2/2008 12:15 AM
Just watching the FD1 highlights before sleep.. What an awesome shot before SSME ignition!
I know. I really wish they would have stayed with that shot for SSME start. Oh well... one can dream for 123.
And that shot would be at night if things go well with Endeavour over the course of the next month.
Exactly! ;)
Post by: Shadow Spork on 02/08/2008 06:24 am
Like something out of a sci-fi movie! :)
Post by: psloss on 02/08/2008 09:54 am
First, Ben has one still of the launch up on his STS-122 page, but more coming today:
http://www.launchphotography.com/STS-122.html
And John44 has posted the handheld video shot of the tank, post-sep:
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3298&Itemid=1
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psloss - 8/2/2008 11:54 AM Couple of links: First, Ben has one still of the launch up on his STS-122 page, but more coming today: http://www.launchphotography.com/STS-122.html And John44 has posted the handheld video shot of the tank, post-sep: http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3298&Itemid=1
And the engineering replays: http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3300&Itemid=1
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Satori - 8/2/2008 12:21 AM
Does anyone has the exact launch time in format 1945:30.XXXUTC?
19:45:29.952, according to http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/SSapplications/Post/JavaSSOP/orbit/SHUTTLE/SVPOST.html
I prefer to add 36 milliseconds to it for the getting 19:45:29.988 time, which exactly means SRB Ignition Command from GPC time used in Space Shuttle Mission Reports as Liftoff time...
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zeke01 - 12/2/2008 9:18 PM
In the hand-held video taken of the ET on STS-122, has anyone noticed or commented on what appears to be a ?bolt? It doesn't appear to be ice. It looks like a cylinder with straight edges dumbbelling end-over-end. It appears around minute 3:30 in the video in the lower right of the picture and for the next 20 seconds appears with the ET venting. If it is a bolt, that's not expected right?
Ice.
Thread locked or we'll be all out of order ;)