Quote from: Robotbeat on 02/21/2013 06:36 pmQuote from: Space Pete on 02/21/2013 06:35 pmQuote from: Space Pete on 02/21/2013 05:45 pmWhere are they going to keep all their food, and water, and spare parts, and trash?Oh, and I forgot to add exercise equipment.Mir-style equipment would fit in a Dragon.But very little else - see my post about consumables above.
Quote from: Space Pete on 02/21/2013 06:35 pmQuote from: Space Pete on 02/21/2013 05:45 pmWhere are they going to keep all their food, and water, and spare parts, and trash?Oh, and I forgot to add exercise equipment.Mir-style equipment would fit in a Dragon.
Quote from: Space Pete on 02/21/2013 05:45 pmWhere are they going to keep all their food, and water, and spare parts, and trash?Oh, and I forgot to add exercise equipment.
Where are they going to keep all their food, and water, and spare parts, and trash?
Four Protons are then used to lift to orbit and mate with the hab four storable propulsion stages, each with a propellant mass of 18 tonnes and a dry mass of 2 tonnes, and an Isp of 326.5 (i.e. RussianRD-0210 N2O4/UDMH engines). (Briz-M ?) This combination can throw 26 tonnes onto TMI with a 03 of 18km2/s2.
Dear press who go to this press conference, please ask the hard questions this time. We're disinterested in hearing another sales pitch. The hard questions are:1. How much money do you have?2. Where are you going to find the shortfall?If they can't answer these questions, the adjective "dreamer" should appear in your article.
3. How will they test a crew return vehicle before the possible mission for reentry?
Quote from: RocketmanUS on 02/21/2013 08:34 pm3. How will they test a crew return vehicle before the possible mission for reentry?Launch one on an LV with a lot of spare lift capability and have it re-enter from a very high elliptical orbit, essentially what NASA is doing with EFT-1.
What sort of mission cost are we looking at here? The launch vehicle, Dragon capsule, consumables and fuel alone have to push this to $500M+? Add in 4-5 years of preparation, training, etc... Could this be done for <= $1B? Where is the money coming from? I'm sure they could get some commercial sponsors and maybe even an exclusive TV deal that would pay some bills, but even that wouldn't get all the way to $1B I don't expect...
Quote from: Space Pete on 02/21/2013 05:45 pmSo they want to keep 2 people confined inside a Dragon for 500 days?Where are they going to keep all their food, and water, and spare parts, and trash? How are they going to develop ECLSS that can last that long without the ability to deliver replacement parts (considering the failure rate of the ISS ECLSS)? How will they fit all that closed-loop ECLSS inside a Dragon (considering the size of the ISS ECLSS) and still maintain some usable living space?The IEEE paper covers those technical questions.
So they want to keep 2 people confined inside a Dragon for 500 days?Where are they going to keep all their food, and water, and spare parts, and trash? How are they going to develop ECLSS that can last that long without the ability to deliver replacement parts (considering the failure rate of the ISS ECLSS)? How will they fit all that closed-loop ECLSS inside a Dragon (considering the size of the ISS ECLSS) and still maintain some usable living space?
Quote from: Drkskywxlt on 02/21/2013 05:27 pmWhat sort of mission cost are we looking at here? The launch vehicle, Dragon capsule, consumables and fuel alone have to push this to $500M+? Add in 4-5 years of preparation, training, etc... Could this be done for <= $1B? Where is the money coming from? I'm sure they could get some commercial sponsors and maybe even an exclusive TV deal that would pay some bills, but even that wouldn't get all the way to $1B I don't expect...Well to speculate a little on where to money could come from, if this indeed turns out to be sending humans on a mars flyby free return mission. Red Bull spent around $690 mill. over five years (2005-2009) on Formula One (They sponsor two teams). So they have the commitment and willingness to spend a high amount of money. They fit the bill for sponsoring something like this, especially since the massive success of the Baumgartner jump. Not to mention that Dr. Jonathan Clark was on the Baumgartner team.Now I'm not saying they will foot the whole thing, but they could be a significant sponsor. I'm sure if it gets going, then there are others that would want to join the team aswell. And Tito can probably fund the whole thing until the initial studies have been made, so sponsors can enter later when there is some assurance that it is technically possible.
Well to speculate a little on where to money could come from, if this indeed turns out to be sending humans on a mars flyby free return mission. Red Bull ...Now I'm not saying they will foot the whole thing, but they could be a significant sponsor. I'm sure if it gets going, then there are others that would want to join the team as well. And Tito ...
Quote from: Chalmer on 02/21/2013 08:55 pmWell to speculate a little on where to money could come from, if this indeed turns out to be sending humans on a mars flyby free return mission. Red Bull ...Now I'm not saying they will foot the whole thing, but they could be a significant sponsor. I'm sure if it gets going, then there are others that would want to join the team as well. And Tito ...If that's true, they should have this information to announce at the first press conference, including Tito's contributions. I expect they won't though. It'll be yet another "we're looking for sponsors" announcement, which actually means "we've tried looking for sponsors and have only gotten blank stares."Maybe after the fifth or sixth of these types of announcements the space media stop being suckers for yet another unfunded dream flight (YAUDF?).
So a daily half hour tv spot per day with high lights?Plus an internet subscription for live feeds, updates, and past info?Multiple sponsors?
Quote from: RocketmanUS on 02/21/2013 09:01 pmSo a daily half hour tv spot per day with high lights?Plus an internet subscription for live feeds, updates, and past info?Multiple sponsors? If all goes well Joe 6Pack doesn't give a hoot for 99% of the 501 day trek time, only a few days (launch, flyby, reentry) will interest the main stream media and masses. The rest will interest general public as much as nasa-tv (sorry nasa-tv .If things go south no sponsor wants to be associated with the events anymore.
Show Big Brother and others like it. And how many people buy magazines about the tv soap opera shows?
Could there be $2B worth of revenue there?