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Thread for the Starlink Group 6-82 launch.

Launch 15 December 2025, at 05:25:10 UTC (12:25 am EST), from CCSFS SLC-40, on booster 1092-9. The first stage successfully landed aboard A Shortfall Of Gravitas.

Payload 29 Starlink V2.0 Mini satellites, to a 43.00 degrees inclination orbit on a southeastern trajectory.  Initial orbit 261 x 274 km.

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« Last Edit: 12/15/2025 05:04 am by zubenelgenubi »
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https://www.spacex.com/launches/sl-6-82

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SpaceX’s Falcon 9 is targeting the launch of 29 Starlink satellites to low-Earth orbit from Space Launch Complex 40 (SLC-40) at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida.

A live webcast of this mission will begin about five minutes prior to liftoff, which you can watch here and on X @SpaceX. You can also watch the webcast on the X TV app.

This will be the ninth flight for the first stage booster supporting this mission, which previously launched NROL-69, CRS-32, GPS III-7, USSF-36, and four Starlink missions. Following stage separation, the first stage will land on the A Shortfall of Gravitas droneship, which will be stationed in the Atlantic Ocean.
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Another triad of Starlink launches scheduled in quick succession, less than 48 hours.
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PDF of online press kit.
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https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/
Supplemental GP Element Sets
Current as of 2025 Dec 12 11:22:00 UTC (Day 346)
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Starlink G6-82 Pre-Launch   
Derived from a pre-launch Starlink-G6-82 state vector, provided by SpaceX. SupGP data is provided for the entire stack, as well as one for a single satellite.

Launch: 2025-12-15 02:43:00 UTC.
Deploy: 2025-12-15 03:48:02.400 UTC.
Launch window: 2025-12-15 02:43:00 UTC to 2025-12-15 06:43:00 UTC.

https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/table.php?FILE=starlink-g6-82&FORMAT=tle
Pre-Launch Derived Orbit:
261 km x 274 km x 43.00 deg
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Supplemental GP Element Sets
Current as of 2025 Dec 13 13:21:30 UTC (Day 347)
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Starlink G6-82 Pre-Launch   
Derived from a pre-launch Starlink-G6-82 state vector, provided by SpaceX. SupGP data is provided for the entire stack, as well as one for a single satellite.

Launch: 2025-12-15 02:47:00 UTC.
Deploy: 2025-12-15 03:52:02.400 UTC.
Launch window: 2025-12-15 02:47:00 UTC to 2025-12-15 02:59:19 UTC.


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PLANNED LAUNCH/REENTRY:
SPACEX STARLINK 15-12, VANDENBERG SFB, CA
PRIMARY:   12/14/25   0520Z-1002Z
BACKUP:      12/16/25   0452Z-0934Z

SPACEX STARLINK 6-82, CAPE CANAVERAL SFS, FL
PRIMARY:   12/15/25   0243Z-0726Z
BACKUP:      12/16/25   0217Z-0700Z


ULA KA-04, CAPE CANAVERAL SFS, FL
PRIMARY:   12/15/25   0835Z-1204Z
BACKUP:      12/16/25   0813Z-1142Z

SPACEX STARLINK 6-99, KENNEDY SPACE CENTER, FL
PRIMARY:   12/15/25   1311Z-1754Z
BACKUP:      12/16/25   1245Z-1728Z
NEXT PLANNING WEBINAR: 2215Z
132036-132259
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Here is a consolidated post of available video links for this launch:

SpaceX's direct live broadcast on
Website: https://www.spacex.com/launches/sl-6-82
 Twitter:  https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1BdGYZozpOEJX

NSF Live Coverage:  https://youtube.com/watch?v=F7gptlD-k5Q

SpaceX Re-broadcast alternatives on YouTube:
Space Affairs:  https://youtube.com/watch?v=56LU0zOelL0

Replay supplied by The Space Devs (15 min after the broadcast end):  https://youtube.com/@thespacedevs/videos

Summary Video provided by SciNews (15 min after the broadcast ends):  https://youtube.com/@SciNewsRo/videos

Post Launch Extras:

CelesTrak has ephemeris-based SupGP data: https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/
Max-Qproductions by Pete Carstens: https://www.youtube.com/@maxqproductions1
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Celestrak has new launch opportunities, along with a delayed launch time from https://www.spacex.com/launches/sl-6-82 :

https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/
Supplemental GP Element Sets
Current as of 2025 Dec 14 21:17:10 UTC (Day 348)
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Starlink G6-82 Pre-Launch   
Derived from a pre-launch Starlink-G6-82 state vector, provided by SpaceX. SupGP data is provided for the entire stack, as well as one for a single satellite.

Launch: 2025-12-15 02:52:20 UTC.
Deploy: 2025-12-15 03:57:22.400 UTC.
Launch window: 2025-12-15 02:52:20 UTC to 2025-12-15 02:59:19 UTC.

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Launch: 2025-12-15 03:10:20 UTC.
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Launch opportunities change, but no change to launch.
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Starlink G6-82 Pre-Launch   
Derived from a pre-launch Starlink-G6-82 state vector, provided by SpaceX. SupGP data is provided for the entire stack, as well as one for a single satellite.

Launch: 2025-12-15 02:43:00 UTC.
Deploy: 2025-12-15 03:48:02.400 UTC.
Launch window: 2025-12-15 02:43:00 UTC to 2025-12-15 02:45:09 UTC.

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Well, whatever, we have a launch in progress in under an hour.

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It's windy,
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So, due to the wind, the launch time has been delayed by 2 hours. 


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The NSF crew is continuing.

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PSA #3:  Paywall? View this video on how-to temporary Disable Java-Script: youtu.be/KvBv16tw-UM
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NSF and I will take a break and return at T-40 min just before FD-Rollcall for pro loading.
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T-55 min,  Wind is steady, and the flag is fully unfurled.
PSA #3:  Paywall? View this video on how-to temporary Disable Java-Script: youtu.be/KvBv16tw-UM
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HOLD,  resetting the clock to a later launch opportunity. 
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