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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #40 on: 08/11/2023 06:12 pm »
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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #41 on: 08/13/2023 12:44 am »
The IM-1 launch is tentatively scheduled for September 14.

https://www.spacetv.net/live/launch-of-spacex-falcon-9-with-doge-1-mission-to-the-moon/

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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #42 on: 08/13/2023 06:34 pm »
I would be very dubious about this.  The article is much more about Doge-1 than IM-1 and IM's website doesn't mention the date.  Doge-1 is - can I say 'stupid' on the internet? Well, here goes... it's stupid.  When Intuitive announces a date we can take it seriously.  I would expect somewhere around December at the earliest.

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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #43 on: 08/14/2023 11:29 pm »
I would be very dubious about this.  The article is much more about Doge-1 than IM-1 and IM's website doesn't mention the date.  Doge-1 is - can I say 'stupid' on the internet? Well, here goes... it's stupid.  When Intuitive announces a date we can take it seriously.  I would expect somewhere around December at the earliest.
Intuitive Machines now targeting November 15 for the launch of the IM-1 mission.

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1691180389933424642

Also, Eric Berger mentions on Twitter that the Peregrine mission has a target launch window of NET December.

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1691188220707360768

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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #44 on: 08/20/2023 09:30 am »
Next soft landing attempt: Chandrayaan 3,  August 23 12:17 UTC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrayaan-3
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66562629
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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #45 on: 11/09/2023 06:40 am »
It would appear that Astrobotic's lander will launch next - assuming no more holdups - currently aiming for 24 December.  Next would be Intuitive Machines on 12 January, again assuming no more delays.  If those are the launch dates the landings would actually happen close together, round about the 19th of January - and SLIM is also set to land at the same time.  It is entirely possible that there will be three landing attempts in a single week.  If we assume every landing happens about 2 days after sunrise (so descent imaging is not too complicated by shadows) they would occur in the order of increasing west longitude, i.e. SLIM, then Intuitive, then Astrobotic.

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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #46 on: 11/09/2023 05:39 pm »
Three lunar landings in a row... we are living through interesting times.
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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #47 on: 12/11/2023 11:24 pm »
Not quite so clear now.  It looks like the Astrobotic launch is delayed to January 8, 2024, just a few days before Intuitive Machines.  If Astrobotic follows the same kind of c. 30 day flight it had planned before, the landing is delayed, but if it follows a shorter path, as its payload users guide says it can, the landing might still happen on the 25th. At any rate the next landing attempt will be SLIM on Jan. 19 or 20th.

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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #48 on: 12/19/2023 10:42 pm »
Not quite so clear now.  It looks like the Astrobotic launch is delayed to January 8, 2024, just a few days before Intuitive Machines.  If Astrobotic follows the same kind of c. 30 day flight it had planned before, the landing is delayed, but if it follows a shorter path, as its payload users guide says it can, the landing might still happen on the 25th. At any rate the next landing attempt will be SLIM on Jan. 19 or 20th.

Clearly the race is now SLIM's to win or lose, based on their landing success. With the IM-1 launch now "no earlier than mid-February 2024," who's next in line?
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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #49 on: 12/19/2023 10:59 pm »
Looks like the launch order would be Astrobotic on Jan. 8th and Intuitive mid-February.  Both landings would be in the time around 20-23 February with Intuitive probably first because the sun rises first on their landing site.

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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #50 on: 01/05/2024 10:04 pm »
Next Moon flight after Astrobotic and Intuitive Machines looks like being China's Queqiao-2 relay satellite, February or March.  After that, maybe Chang'e 6 in c. May and then Intuitive's second CLPS flight IF the first is successful.  If it isn't there  might be more delay.

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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #51 on: 03/11/2024 07:08 pm »
The above post still looks pretty good, amazingly.  We do have dates, roughly 15 March for Queqiao 2 and May 2 for Chang'e 6.  After that, where are we?  IM-2 looks like going to very late in the year as lessons from IM-1 are applied.  So maybe Firefly's CLPS mission will come in before it, but I haven't seen anything about its launch date.  Also late in the year might be ispace's Hakuto-R Mission 2 (Resilience). But the order is not known, and I could well imagine most or all of those 3 going into 2025.

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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #52 on: 04/01/2024 11:42 pm »
The above post still looks pretty good, amazingly.  We do have dates, roughly 15 March for Queqiao 2 and May 2 for Chang'e 6.  After that, where are we?  IM-2 looks like going to very late in the year as lessons from IM-1 are applied.  So maybe Firefly's CLPS mission will come in before it, but I haven't seen anything about its launch date.  Also late in the year might be ispace's Hakuto-R Mission 2 (Resilience). But the order is not known, and I could well imagine most or all of those 3 going into 2025.

As of November 2023, Blue Ghost was looking at Q3 2024. They were planning on narrowing down the launch month in May once environmental testing completes. Both IM-2 and Griffin Mission One (VIPER) are officially targeting November 2024. iSpace had said Winter 2024 so I'm thinking December 2024 since assembly was scheduled to complete this spring.

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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #53 on: 04/02/2024 12:00 am »
Here's my list:

[NET 2024-5]   Chang'e 6         China                --sample return
[NET 2024-9]   Blue Ghost M1 (RAC, LMS)   United States (Firefly Aerospace)
[NET 2024-10]   IM-2 (Prime-1)         United States (Intuitive Machines)
[NET 2024-11]   Griffin (VIPER)         United States (Astrobotic)
[NET 2024]   Hakuto-R 2         Japan (ispace)
[NET 2025-03]   Blue Moon Mark1 M-1      United States (Blue Origin)
[NET 2025]   IM-3 (Reiner Gamma)      United States (Intuitive Machines)
[NET 2025]    HLS Starship V1   (uncrewed)   United States (SpaceX)
[NET 2025]   Beresheet 2         Israel (SpaceIL)
[NET 2026]    Blue Moon Mark1 M-2      United States (Blue Origin)
[NET 2026-9]   Artemis 3 (HLS Starship V1)   United States (SpaceX)         --two astronauts
[NET 2026-6]   FLEX, HLS Starship V1      United States (Astrolab, SpaceX)   --Artemis 3 ?
[NET 2026]   ?, HLS Starship?      Australia, United States (SpaceX?)   --Artemis 3 ?
[NET 2026]   LUPEX            India, Japan (ISRO, JAXA)
[NET 2026]   APEX 1.0         United States (Draper, ispace)
[NET 2026]   Blue Ghost M2         United States (Firefly Aerospace)
[NET 2026]   Chang'e 7         China
[NET 2026]   Series 3 (Mission 6)      Japan (ispace)
[NET 2028]   Artemis 4 (HLS Starship V2)   United States (SpaceX)         --four astronauts
[NET 2028]   Blue Moon Mark2 M-1 (uncrewed)   United States (Blue Origin)      
[NET 2028]   Chang'e 8         China
[NET 2028]      Luna-27            Russian Federation
[NET 2030-3]   Artemis 5 (Blue Moon Mark2 M-2)   United States (Blue Origin)       --two astronauts
[NET 2030]   Argonaut         Europe
[NET 2030]   Artemis 6         United States (SpaceX)          --four astronauts
[NET 2030]   ?            China                --two astronauts

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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #54 on: 04/02/2024 12:41 pm »
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IM-3 (Reiner Gamma) 

The closest thing from 2001 in the real world. A greyish "eye" like Iapetus' (in the novel), with a magnetic anomaly the size of AMT-1 (except there is no monolith).  8) 

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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #55 on: 04/02/2024 05:45 pm »
Reformated mandrewa's table as a table. (And remembered why I hate BBCode table format so much.)

Launch Date  Mission/Vehicle NameCountryCompany--extra info
[NET](Payload)
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[2024-5]-Chang'e 6China---sample return
[2024-9](RAC, LMS)Blue Ghost M1United States(Firefly Aerospace)
[2024-10](Prime-1)IM-2United States(Intuitive Machines) 
[2024-11](VIPER)GriffinUnited States(Astrobotic)
[2024]-Hakuto-R 2Japan(ispace)
[2025-03]-Blue Moon Mark1 M-1United States(Blue Origin)
[2025](Reiner Gamma)  IM-3United States(Intuitive Machines)
[2025]-HLS Starship V1 United States(SpaceX)--uncrewed
[2025]-Beresheet 2Israel(SpaceIL)
[2026]-Blue Moon Mark1 M-2  United States(Blue Origin)
[2026-9]Artemis 3HLS Starship V1United States(SpaceX)--two astronauts
[2026-6](FLEX)HLS Starship V1United States(Astrolab, SpaceX)--Artemis 3 ?
[2026]?HLS Starship?Australia, United States  (SpaceX?)--Artemis 3 ?
[2026]-LUPEXIndia, Japan(ISRO, JAXA)
[2026]-APEX 1.0United States(Draper, ispace)
[2026]-Blue Ghost M2United States(Firefly Aerospace)
[2026]-Chang'e 7China
[2026]-Series 3 (Mission 6)Japan(ispace)
[2028]Artemis 4HLS Starship V2United States(SpaceX)--four astronauts
[2028]-Blue Moon Mark2 M-1 United States(Blue Origin)--uncrewed
[2028]-Chang'e 8China
[2028]-Luna-27Russian Federation
[2030-3]Artemis 5Blue Moon Mark2 M-2United States(Blue Origin)--two astronauts
[2030]-ArgonautEurope---formerly the European Large Logistics Lander (EL3)
[2030]Artemis 6-United States(SpaceX)--four astronauts
[2030]-?China---two astronauts
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[edit: I added the note to Argonaut. I looked up whether it was a vehicle or mission/payload and that came up.]
« Last Edit: 04/02/2024 06:58 pm by Paul451 »

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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #56 on: 04/03/2024 06:58 am »
This looks good!  I expect VIPER and Beresheet 2 will be delayed, VIPER as decisions are made about the lander and Beresheet 2 for its funding difficulties.

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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #57 on: 04/04/2024 12:57 pm »
This looks good!  I expect VIPER and Beresheet 2 will be delayed, VIPER as decisions are made about the lander and Beresheet 2 for its funding difficulties.

I expect you're correct but for the most part the NET dates in this list are based on the NET date given by the organization involved.  So even though Griffin (VIPER) is almost certainly delayed, I'm not going to change that until some official source says so.

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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #58 on: 04/04/2024 05:27 pm »
Planned lunar landings
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[NET 2024-5]   Chang'e 6         China                --sample return
[NET 2024-9]   Blue Ghost M1 (RAC, LMS)   United States (Firefly Aerospace)
[NET 2024-10]   IM-2 (Prime-1)         United States (Intuitive Machines)
[NET 2024-11]   Griffin (VIPER)         United States (Astrobotic)
[NET 2024]   Hakuto-R 2         Japan (ispace)
[NET 2025-03]   Blue Moon Mark1 M-1      United States (Blue Origin)
[NET 2025]   IM-3 (Reiner Gamma)      United States (Intuitive Machines)
[NET 2025]    HLS Starship v1   (uncrewed)   United States (SpaceX)
[NET 2025]   Beresheet 2         Israel (SpaceIL)
[NET 2026]    Blue Moon Mark1 M-2      United States (Blue Origin)
[NET 2026-9]   Artemis 3 (HLS Starship v1)   United States (SpaceX)         --two astronauts
[NET 2026]   FLEX LRV (HLS Starship v1)   United States (Venturi Astrolab, Axiom Space, Odessy Space Research)
[NET 2026]   ?, HLS Starship?      Australia, United States (SpaceX?)   --Artemis 3 ?
[NET 2026]   LUPEX            India, Japan (ISRO, JAXA)
[NET 2026]   APEX 1.0         United States (Draper, ispace)
[NET 2026]   Blue Ghost M2         United States (Firefly Aerospace)
[NET 2026]   Chang'e 7         China
[NET 2026]   Series 3 (Mission 6)      Japan (ispace)
[NET 2028]   Artemis 4 (HLS Starship v2)   United States (SpaceX)         --four astronauts
[NET 2028]   Blue Moon Mark2 M-1 (uncrewed)   United States (Blue Origin)      
[NET 2028]   Chang'e 8         China
[NET 2028]      Luna-27            Russian Federation
[NET 2030-3]   Artemis 5 (Blue Moon Mark2 M-2)   United States (Blue Origin)       --two astronauts
[NET 2030]   Argonaut lunar lander (Artemis)   Europe
[NET 2030]   Artemis 6 (?)         United States (SpaceX)          --four astronauts
[NET 2030]   ?            China                --two astronauts
[NET 2030]   Moon RACER LRV (Nova-D)      United States (Intuitive Machines, Boeing, Northrup Grumman, AVL, Michelin)
[NET 2030]    Lunar Dawn LRV         United States (Lunar Outpost, Lockheed Martin, MDA Space, General Motors, Goodyear)

Note: LRV means Lunar Roving Vehicle.  And these are intended to be operated either by two crew or remotely, say from the Earth or the Gateway.

Note: I've been playing around with the table format that Paul451 used, but that is such a pain to do!  I may replace this with that.  Or I may not.

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Re: Next Moon flight
« Reply #59 on: 04/11/2024 12:46 pm »
planned lunar landings
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[NET 2024-5]   Chang'e 6         China                --sample return
[NET 2024-9]   Blue Ghost M1 (RAC, LMS)   United States (Firefly Aerospace)
[NET 2024-10]   IM-2 (Prime-1)         United States (Intuitive Machines)
[NET 2024-11]   Griffin-1 (VIPER)         United States (Astrobotic)
[NET 2024]   Hakuto-R 2         Japan (ispace)
[NET 2025-03]   Blue Moon Mark1 M-1      United States (Blue Origin)
[NET 2025]   IM-3 (Reiner Gamma)      United States (Intuitive Machines)
[NET 2025]   HLS Starship v1   (uncrewed)   United States (SpaceX)
[NET 2025]   Beresheet 2         Israel (SpaceIL)
[NET 2026]   Blue Moon Mark1 M-2      United States (Blue Origin)
[NET 2026-9]   Artemis 3 (HLS Starship v1)   United States (SpaceX)         --two astronauts
[NET 2026]   FLEX LRV (HLS Starship v1)   United States (Venturi Astrolab, Axiom Space, Odessy Space Research)
[NET 2026]   Roo-ver rover (Artemis)      Australia   --extracts oxygen from regolith
[NET 2026]   LUPEX            India, Japan (ISRO, JAXA)
[NET 2026]   APEX 1.0         United States (Draper, ispace)
[NET 2026]   Blue Ghost M2         United States (Firefly Aerospace)
[NET 2026]   Chang'e 7         China
[NET 2026]   Series 3 (Mission 6)      Japan (ispace)
[NET 2026]   Griffen-2? (MOONRISE)      United States (Astrobotic)
[NET 2028]   Artemis 4 (HLS Starship v2)   United States (SpaceX)         --four astronauts
[NET 2028]   Blue Moon Mark2 M-1 (uncrewed)   United States (Blue Origin)      
[NET 2028]   Chang'e 8         China
[NET 2028]   Luna-27            Russian Federation
[NET 2029]   Moon RACER LRV (Nova-D)      United States (Intuitive Machines, Boeing, Northrup Grumman, AVL, Michelin)
[NET 2029]    Lunar Dawn LRV         United States (Lunar Outpost, Lockheed Martin, MDA Space, General Motors, Goodyear)
[NET 2030-3]   Artemis 5 (Blue Moon Mark2 M-2)   United States (Blue Origin)       --two astronauts
[NET 2030]   Argonaut lunar lander (Artemis)   Europe
[NET 2030]   Lanyue crewed lunar lander            China                --two astronauts
[NET 2031]   Artemis 6   (HLS Starship ?)      United States (SpaceX)          --four astronauts
[NET 2031]   Lunar Cruiser (Artemis)   Japan               --pressurized lunar rover
[NET 2032]   Artemis 7         United States

Note: LRV means Lunar Roving Vehicle.  LRVs are intended to be operated either by crew or remotely, say from the Earth or the Gateway.
« Last Edit: 04/12/2024 11:12 am by mandrewa »

 

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