Quote from: clongton on 02/15/2014 12:03 amQuote from: Robotbeat on 02/14/2014 12:19 pmBoeing picked more conservative milestones than SpaceX did. Boeing picked more analysis and paper studies for their milestones, SpaceX picked pad abort and an in-flight abort. Is Ed honestly saying these are comparable /at all/??Is Ed honestly saying that paperwork counts more than actual flown hardware?Say it ain't so Ed. Number of Atlas 5 Launches: 43 N/ANumber of Falcon 9 v1.1 Launches: 3 N/ANumber of CST-100 Flights: 0Number of SpaceX Crew Vehicle Flights: 0Digging deeper into history gives these numbers.Number of SpaceX orbital launches: 13 N/ANumber of Boeing or Boeing predecessor or partly owned company orbital launches: 787 N/ANumber of Boeing or predecessor/partly owned launches by orbital family rockets: 906 N/ANumber of Boeing or Boeing predecessor crewed orbital spacecraft flown: All previous U.S. flights N/A - Ed Kyle
Quote from: Robotbeat on 02/14/2014 12:19 pmBoeing picked more conservative milestones than SpaceX did. Boeing picked more analysis and paper studies for their milestones, SpaceX picked pad abort and an in-flight abort. Is Ed honestly saying these are comparable /at all/??Is Ed honestly saying that paperwork counts more than actual flown hardware?Say it ain't so Ed.
Boeing picked more conservative milestones than SpaceX did. Boeing picked more analysis and paper studies for their milestones, SpaceX picked pad abort and an in-flight abort. Is Ed honestly saying these are comparable /at all/??
Hmmm... The phrase "past performance" does come to mind.
Do we even know when (or if) CST-100 has a launch abort test scheduled?And once they do that, will they do a max-Q abort test?
Quote from: joek on 02/15/2014 03:50 am... it doesn't appear SpaceX will have actually demonstrated much more than Boeing at that point. Oh I'm sorry I must have missed the four round-trip flights into space of CST-100. When did they happen?
... it doesn't appear SpaceX will have actually demonstrated much more than Boeing at that point.
The first CST-100 test flight will launch in late 2016, with the first manned mission planned for early 2017.
Chris Ferguson, commander of the final space shuttle flight, virtually returned to space in the Boeing Crew Space Transportation (CST)-100 simulator, when he recently performed manual piloting activities, including on-orbit attitude and translation maneuvers, docking and backing away from a virtual International Space Station, and a manual re-entry to Earth.
Last Shuttle Commander Virtually Flies Boeing CST-100 to Space Station
Boeing CST-100 Unveiled, Ready for TestingA scale model of Boeing's CST-100 spacecraft with an Atlas V rocket successfully underwent a fit check, verifying that the model accurately fits the hardware ...
Quote from: catdlr on 03/06/2014 11:25 pmBoeing CST-100 Unveiled, Ready for TestingA scale model of Boeing's CST-100 spacecraft with an Atlas V rocket successfully underwent a fit check, verifying that the model accurately fits the hardware ...Ummm. Congratulations Triumph Aerospace Systems on fabricating an aluminum model to fit another model? As the design evolves, will they be producing more of these? I'm not sure which is more impressive, this, the cardboard mock-up Boeing's been showing off, or the fact Boeing was able to get and continue to receive funding.Seriously, SpaceDev has fine-tuned construction techniques, built and tested a composite aerostructure while continuing work on their hybrid rockets and escape system. Dragon is already flying with continued work on their escape and landing systems. Boeing has --- a small scale chunk of metal made by someone else? It reinforces my long-standing view that their contract is black cover and will never see completion.
Ummm. Congratulations Triumph Aerospace Systems on fabricating an aluminum model to fit another model? As the design evolves, will they be producing more of these? I'm not sure which is more impressive, this, the cardboard mock-up Boeing's been showing off, or the fact Boeing was able to get and continue to receive funding.Seriously, SpaceDev has fine-tuned construction techniques, built and tested a composite aerostructure while continuing work on their hybrid rockets and escape system. Dragon is already flying with continued work on their escape and landing systems. Boeing has --- a small scale chunk of metal made by someone else? It reinforces my long-standing view that their contract is black cover and will never see completion.
What are these? You should do a little research before making such unsupported statements, which is nothing more than biased opinion. There also is a Avionics Software Integration Facility
1. Boeing has yet to surpass Blue Origin's well-funded development who was cut after CCDev2.2. At the time I suspected a good deal of the money would go to other Boeing projects, but this one has done quite well for them;3. Boeing is very far behind and 4. I doubt they'll pass the Critical Design Review Board in April this year
Jim is there room in Boeings design to use a "berthing" hatch if needed quickly in the future?Any opinion if a cargo return version could quickly be put together (crash program) if needed?
CST-100 is going to be a finalist
Quote from: Jim on 03/14/2014 02:08 amCST-100 is going to be a finalistI agree with your other points. But how do you know that Boeing will be a finalist for CCtCap? If their price is out of whack with the rest of the competition, they are likely to be downselected. Apparently, NASA intends to ask more skin in the game from participants for the next round, that could also hurt Boeing if they are not willing to do so.