Why does nobody ever get that excited about Shatner?
Great. And loved Shatner too. But the episodes with the female captain, and I really have no idea of her name were awful and only saw 1-2 episodes. Not that a female captain would not have worked but sorry not her. Live long and prosper.
Great. And loved Shatner too. But the episodes with the female captain, and I really have no idea of her name were awful and only saw 1-2 episodes. Not that a female captain would not have worked but sorry not her.
Quote from: jak Kennedy on 08/05/2018 12:32 amGreat. And loved Shatner too. But the episodes with the female captain, and I really have no idea of her name were awful and only saw 1-2 episodes. Not that a female captain would not have worked but sorry not her. That was Star Trek: Voyager. It seems to take the later Star Trek series several months or more to find its footing (the first season of The Next Generation is pretty bad, remember) and Voyager was no exception. It really didn't hit its stride until Season 3. Still, Voyager was the most uneven of the modern Star Trek shows. It does have episodes that are very, very good. But it also has episodes that are among the all-time Star Trek stinkers.Star Trek: Voyager and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine were both way ahead of the TV viewing curve. They (especially DS9 from late Season 2 onwards) were the predecessors of today's "binge TV".
William Shatner is a great actor- yes, a little corny at times but also capable of drop-dead dramatic situations.
Looks like the Discovery showrunners are involved.
I'm excited to see Picard coming back!It doesn't guarantee a good show. There were plenty of bad Next Generation episodes, especially in the first couple of seasons. But at least with Picard there is great potential there.I also liked the tone of Next Generation better than the tone of any more recent Star Trek outings. Here's hoping they bring back the Next Generation tone along with Patrick Stewart.
Quote from: ChrisWilson68 on 08/05/2018 08:09 pmI'm excited to see Picard coming back!It doesn't guarantee a good show. There were plenty of bad Next Generation episodes, especially in the first couple of seasons. But at least with Picard there is great potential there.I also liked the tone of Next Generation better than the tone of any more recent Star Trek outings. Here's hoping they bring back the Next Generation tone along with Patrick Stewart.I don’t what people have against Discovery. Yes it has a rocky start but so do many Trek shows. Plus it has a great protagonist in the first season, one of the best in any of Treks.
Can he really at 78 pull off more than a nominal time on screen?If he can, there is always the risk to the show that he shortly will not be able to.I don't see a plausible way from an in-char point of view, unless they are simply ignoring the age, to have him as a captain for sixty one or so years. (thirty one after assuming command of Enterprise).'returning as captain of the Enterprise' doesn't leave much wiggle room though.
I never got into Enterprise so I can't speak to that.
I doubt he'll be an active captain. I'm betting there is some story line where he is needed for specific experience like dealing with the Q Continuum or something else from TNG.
Quote from: Eric Hedman on 08/06/2018 02:56 amI doubt he'll be an active captain. I'm betting there is some story line where he is needed for specific experience like dealing with the Q Continuum or something else from TNG. If they want to tie it back in with the Abrams movies, they could set this show shortly after the destruction of Romulus (seen in "Star Trek 2009"). The Romulan government needs help from the Federation, and the only one they'll talk to is Jean-Luc Picard, who they trust because he helped them defeat Shinzon in 2002's "Star Trek: Nemesis". So out of retirement comes Picard, as a special adviser on a mission to help the Romulans pick up the pieces. The mission could be on the new USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-F with a new supporting cast, and this could be a 'back door pilot' for a successor show set on the new Enterprise after Patrick Stewart's involvement ends (this show was rumored at first to only be a mini-series, not a full-fledged weekly series.)
“Temba, his arms open.” /Thx, the world of ST!
Except that the destruction of Romulus occurred a long time before the TNG timeline.
Quote from: Blackstar on 08/06/2018 11:46 pmExcept that the destruction of Romulus occurred a long time before the TNG timeline.No, it was post-TNG. Old Spock tells Young Kirk (in the mind-meld scene) that he is from "129 years from now", which puts it around the year 2387 (TNG was 2364-71 or so and "Nemesis" was around eight years later, or 2379.)
OK, technically in the future of TNG, but so far we've only seen it affect events far in the past of TNG, because it is the excuse for the fork in the timeline that creates the JJ Abrams rebooted Trek continuity.
I like Picard and TNG, but this seems like a *terrible* idea indicating a real lack of imagination on the creators behalf. Unless this is a very short mini-series.
*One can ask whatever happened to those 29th Century 'Time Cops' (i.e., the USS Relativity on Voyager or Mr. Daniels on Enterprise) who were fixing timeline incursions. How did they miss Vulcan going kablooey?
Quote from: eric z on 08/05/2018 01:50 pm William Shatner is a great actor- yes, a little corny at times but also capable of drop-dead dramatic situations.Watch this scene again. Watch it from the beginning and pay attention to Shatner's voice and his facial expressions and how he moves. It's an amazing bit of acting, right down to him sinking down to the floor, totally defeated.It's a great bit of acting by Nimoy too.
Lots to choose from: check out the scene in ST 3 when his son, David is killed. “You Klingon bastards; you‘ve killed my son....”
Quote from: Ike17055 on 08/12/2018 12:55 amLots to choose from: check out the scene in ST 3 when his son, David is killed. “You Klingon bastards; you‘ve killed my son....”You can see it in the original series as well. I'm blanking on which episode it was, but I watched an original series episode a number of months ago and was impressed with Shatner's acting. He's quite good in some episodes. (For instance "City on the Edge of Forever.") I think that too often Shatner has been called a "bad" actor. That's not really accurate. He at times was a hammy actor and chewed scenery when he didn't have to. But in some cases, given the right material, he could be very good. Maybe his range was narrow, or maybe he just wasn't consistently giving good performances, but he certainly had ability.
On topic:Patrick Stewart is an absolute gift to humanity and I look forward to seeing what Captain Picard gets up to in retirement. 78 Earth years is not that old in 2383.
Since everyone is talking about Shatner, his 2004 album "Has Been" made me fan: Pickfork review of Has Been.You have to listen to the whole album though to feel it's beauty and brilliance. I disagree with the end of the review though. The songs "It Hasn't Happened Yet" and "What Have You Done?" are also awesome.
Quote from: mme on 08/12/2018 10:38 pmSince everyone is talking about Shatner, his 2004 album "Has Been" made me fan: Pickfork review of Has Been.You have to listen to the whole album though to feel it's beauty and brilliance. I disagree with the end of the review though. The songs "It Hasn't Happened Yet" and "What Have You Done?" are also awesome.Shatner singing "Common People" is hilarious.But you wanna know the man, look up Wil Wheaton's essay "William [bleeping] Shatner" (you need to type in the actual word in Google). It is the funniest thing you'll read in a long time. Trust me.
Since everyone is talking about Shatner, his 2004 album "Has Been" made me fan: Pickfork review of Has Been.You have to listen to the whole album though to feel it's beauty and brilliance. I disagree with the end of the review though. The songs "It Hasn't Happened Yet" and "What Have You Done?" are also awesome.On topic:Patrick Stewart is an absolute gift to humanity and I look forward to seeing what Captain Picard gets up to in retirement. 78 Earth years is not that old in 2383. Get with the program folks.
is kind of hammy but in KHAN (loud voice) he does in my view an amazing performance...he plays a guy/gal who is rusty, and feeling for skills that he knew he once had but which have gone rusty...he slowly "gets better" until he returns to his old self...and the scene at Spocks death is to me just wonderful acting
I didn't know this till relatively recently, but Picard is supposed to be ten years older than Patrick Stewart who plays him. So he would be pushing 90. I believe the mandatory retirement age for human Starfleet Captains on Starship Command duty is 100. After that; they have to be Starbase-based or they can take retirement.
Quote from: MATTBLAK on 08/13/2018 12:10 amI didn't know this till relatively recently, but Picard is supposed to be ten years older than Patrick Stewart who plays him. So he would be pushing 90. I believe the mandatory retirement age for human Starfleet Captains on Starship Command duty is 100. After that; they have to be Starbase-based or they can take retirement.Star Trek has always had a bit of a problem with this issue. As a franchise, they wanted to keep their stars in the center seat as long as possible. In real life that would not work--you have a few thousand starships, you cannot keep the same people in command of them for a decade or more at a time, you need to rotate them out.The U.S. Navy is the extreme other end of this--often a captain will be in command of a ship for only one year and then they're out. Maybe they'll get a couple of commands, but that's it. They're constantly rotating new people into command. There are reasons to do this, but I've often thought (without any good inside knowledge) that it's a poor way to get experienced people in command. It takes a long time to get good at what you do, and if somebody is good going into command, why would you only want to get one year out of them? And if they need more than a year in command to get good, you're not giving them that experience.
Quote from: TripleSeven on 08/12/2018 09:52 pmis kind of hammy but in KHAN (loud voice) he does in my view an amazing performance...he plays a guy/gal who is rusty, and feeling for skills that he knew he once had but which have gone rusty...he slowly "gets better" until he returns to his old self...and the scene at Spocks death is to me just wonderful actingStar Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is showing at one of my local theaters August 20. You might check and see if it's showing near you too.There is a great arc to Kirk's story (just as there was a good arc to Spock's story in the previous film). Kirk spends much of the film fighting against retaking the command chair. He's finding excuses, and he's not seizing the opportunity. It's not just that he's rusty, he is holding back because he somehow thinks it's wrong and that he shouldn't be in command, and then that nearly gets them all killed. He only gets his cockiness back after beaming down to the planetoid (and eating the apple--symbolic?). He doesn't believe in the no-win scenario, right? Then he gets back in the game and he defeats Khan. But he ends up paying a price for his actions, losing his best friend in the process. It's a wonderful story arc. And in some ways it mirrors Spock's story arc in the first film, where Spock reluctantly goes back to the Enterprise, feeling like he has failed in achieving his goal of "total logic." And by the end of the film, Spock realizes that there's much more to the universe than logic and that he belongs on the Enterprise.I think The Wrath of Khan is a well-done film, although it has some mostly minor problems. Shatner's acting is good for most of it and sometimes outstanding (like the death scene with Spock), but a few of his lines are sub-standard. There's a story about how he delivered the line "Here it comes" just before using the Prefix Code to lower Reliant's shields. He kept delivering the line in a snarky/sarcastic manner that the director thought sounded wrong. It's the kind of thing that probably would have tipped off Khan that something was going on as soon as he heard it. So Nicolas Meyer kept asking Shatner to re-do the shot. But with actors with huge egos (coughShatnercough) you cannot really tell them that they did a line wrong or ask for a different delivery. So Meyer kept blaming the need for a re-shot on a problem with the sound, or a camera glitch or something. Eventually, after a bunch of takes, he simply tired Shatner out, which is how come Kirk almost sounds bored when he delivers that line. It's a poor delivery, but the best one the director could get out of him.
the discussion of living things the intimacy of "Kirk and command" the discussion of "I am a Vulcan"...logic alone dictating actions... as with all living things according to their own gifts...
Quote from: mme on 08/12/2018 10:38 pmOn topic:Patrick Stewart is an absolute gift to humanity and I look forward to seeing what Captain Picard gets up to in retirement. 78 Earth years is not that old in 2383.But it is.In the final of TNG, he is around that stardate - in the 'flash-forward' - and retired and ill.He does not refer to this state as being surprising - 'why wasn't I healed and still in starfleet' - as he would have if it was routine to be healthy and working at 100.Also, if this was true, there should have been lots of much older captains met along the way, and there aren't.
You can see it in the original series as well. I'm blanking on which episode it was, but I watched an original series episode a number of months ago and was impressed with Shatner's acting.
Quote from: Blackstar on 08/12/2018 09:33 pmYou can see it in the original series as well. I'm blanking on which episode it was, but I watched an original series episode a number of months ago and was impressed with Shatner's acting.Perhaps, "The Conscience of the King" (the Kodos the Executioner episode)?
Neither version is available downunder
New trailer:
Quote from: Star One on 10/05/2019 09:26 pmNew trailer:-Hmpf.. With that over the top soundtrack to this trailer I suddenly got a bad feeling for this spin off. Pretty please I do not want another Star Trek Discovery with magic mushrooms and space travel. Can I have something simple with an elderly captain Picard exploring the universe thank you so very much.
Quote from: Swedish chef on 10/05/2019 11:05 pmQuote from: Star One on 10/05/2019 09:26 pmNew trailer:-Hmpf.. With that over the top soundtrack to this trailer I suddenly got a bad feeling for this spin off. Pretty please I do not want another Star Trek Discovery with magic mushrooms and space travel. Can I have something simple with an elderly captain Picard exploring the universe thank you so very much.I am guessing you didn’t continue watching Discovery as the mushrooms etc were mostly gone in season two.
Quote from: QuantumG on 10/07/2019 09:27 pmQuote from: old_geez on 07/22/2019 06:21 amNeither version is available downunderOld guy who you know visits other old folks you know, but he's got a new ship and a young crew.Old captain treks around the galaxy using a space ride sharing service, seeking new civilizations that attack using their own ride sharing service. The young enterprising pilots take the old folks passengers around, to seek strange new worlds, to seek new life and new civilizations, and new passengers who also might want space ride sharing services. If anyone needs to, they pull over and allow them to boldly go where no man has gone before.
Quote from: old_geez on 07/22/2019 06:21 amNeither version is available downunderOld guy who you know visits other old folks you know, but he's got a new ship and a young crew.
All aboard the USS Uber the Federations latest and most millenial starship.
See Whoopi Goldberg's emotional reaction when Patrick Stewart officially invites her to return to #StarTrek for season two of #StarTrekPicard: “It was wonderful having you, and we cannot wait to have you with us again one more time.” abcn.ws/2CcjBVI
Staying away from any spoilers I only wish to say that this was an really enjoyable premier, looking forward to the next episode.
Dahj visits Picard, told him she killed 3 people, and he immediately welcomes her. Given she's a complete stranger to him at that point, that seems incredulous.Picard gets catapulted through the air by the explosion, and wakes up on a couch in his home. Like wtf? Where's the ambulance, hospital, police, investigation?
The storyline of this new series Star Trek Picard is based on 2 major events:1) The events of the 2009 movie "Star Trek: Nemesis" feature the destruction of Romulus, the homeworld of the Romulan empire, due to its sun going supernova, which prompts an attempt at mass-relocation of a billion Romulan refugees into Federation territory....It was interesting that Picard told the FNN reporter about Dunkirk - Patrick Stewart's own father was a military veteran who served in that conflict.
He specifically refers to “books of history people would rather forget”, and is a historian/archaeologist. I think the idea that these moments of history *are* forgotten by most in his time is half the point, rather than a WTF.
The storyline of this new series Star Trek Picard is based on 2 major events:
I was really hoping they would to pull heavily from TNG, which is something we could definitely use today. Instead, they just had to go political.Its really sad, growing up Picard was almost like a father figure to me hoping this show doesn't ruin that
Its really sad, growing up Picard was almost like a father figure to me hoping this show doesn't ruin that
- That would make no sense because the Romulan empire is vast and there would be plenty of space to relocate a billion Romulans to.
- Another wtf moment. Why would anyone expect this particular event from WW2 to be common knowledge in the 24th century? Because Hollywood made a movie about it in the early 21th century?
Quote from: sanman on 01/26/2020 07:35 amThe storyline of this new series Star Trek Picard is based on 2 major events:You're confusing two movies.Data dies at the end of 2002's "Star Trek: Nemesis".The supernova that destroys Romulus is in 2009's "Star Trek" (the J.J. Abrams reboot movie.)
We previously saw the Federation News Service in 1994's "Star Trek: Generations", interviewing Kirk about the launch of the USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-B. The familiarity may simply be so that contemporary audiences would know what was going on, similar to the famous "salt shaker" incident in the original episode "The Man Trap" (they tried using a futuristic looking salt shaker, but no one watching the scene knew what it was supposed to be, so they just used an ordinary one.)Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was by Nicholas Meyer, not James Cameron.
Movies & TV shows are products of the times they're made in
In the german magazine "heise" Patrick Stewart votes for ending human space exploration and using that money for climate protection: https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Klimawandel-the-final-frontier-Enterprise-Captain-will-lieber-die-Erde-retten-4641389.html
I thought it was Vulcan that was destroyed in the J J Abrams reboot. I remember it as Vulcan, because that's when Spock's parents die.You're right - Nemesis was 2002 - but its storyplot was about the Romulans.
I would have thought an Android like Data would know she was an android. How was she at school sports? (or explained away by "not yet activated")
The older Spock recounts to the younger Kirk how he was travelling with "red matter" (yeah right) to the Romulan system to prevent the super nova, but he arrived too late. Spock and the evil Romulan ended up going back in time to "reboot" the series, and give a parallel time line. (And also destroy Vulcan, to explain why there are so few Vulcans in later time lines).I watched Picard last night and it seemed pretty good. Especially the contrast between an old French château and starfleet, which he pops off to visit for the afternoon (which makes sense, if you have beaming technology). I think part of the story is that Picard has wasted away in retirement (or retirement has made him older), and I suspect as the series progresses he will get faster and stronger - more like the old Picard. I would have thought an Android like Data would know she was an android. How was she at school sports? (or explained away by "not yet activated")I think the series will work out, assuming they don't get sucked into time travel which only ever leads to nonsense or comedy.
Why should we care about actor's opinion on anything, outside theater acting and drama? Maybe screenwriter's but not much more.
See, this is why I hate Time Travel stuff, even though it's well-established in the Star Trek universe, because it creates paradoxes.
If Romulus is destroyed in the JJ Abrams rebooted timeline, then that timeline cannot get to the events of Star Trek Nemesis, where the titular Nemesis is Romulan. And the events of Star Trek Nemesis are what give us the death of Data.
As regards episode 2 and I don’t know why but I am still shocked to hear swearing in anything Trek related.
Quote from: Star One on 02/01/2020 07:42 amAs regards episode 2 and I don’t know why but I am still shocked to hear swearing in anything Trek related.Yes that was not quite right… but then again there was plenty of swearing before, just none of it in English.
I imagine if the Borg come back to life we could be in for some body horror if they feel less bound by censorship on their streaming service.
Quote from: Star One on 02/01/2020 12:56 pmI imagine if the Borg come back to life we could be in for some body horror if they feel less bound by censorship on their streaming service.TNG already went there in the episode "Conspiracy", where we saw the alien-infested Commander Remmick's head explode. Reportedly, Paramount sternly told Roddenberry and Co. to never do anything like that again after they got a lot of complaints from affiliates and viewers.
I'd heard that this series had to be severely re-edited after customer Amazon demanded that the episode count be reduced. I don't see why a streaming service like Amazon Prime would need to be so strict on episode count, as streaming services are supposed to be much more flexible on content than broadcasters saddled with their traditional constraints. Bezos claims to be a Star Trek fan, but he should really kick himself over the effects of this imposition, because it appears to be this re-editing which has so badly damaged the story pacing.
I'd heard that this series had to be severely re-edited after customer Amazon demanded that the episode count be reduced.
Quote from: sanman on 02/04/2020 12:07 pmI'd heard that this series had to be severely re-edited after customer Amazon demanded that the episode count be reduced. I don't see why a streaming service like Amazon Prime would need to be so strict on episode count, as streaming services are supposed to be much more flexible on content than broadcasters saddled with their traditional constraints. Bezos claims to be a Star Trek fan, but he should really kick himself over the effects of this imposition, because it appears to be this re-editing which has so badly damaged the story pacing.I think you are confused or misinformed. ST: Picard is a CBS streaming show (CBS All Access), not Amazon Prime. Amazon just allows you to also subscribe to CBS as an add-on. Bezos does not control ST: Picard at all.
I've watched up to episode 3 now.But... It just looks so low budget (compared to my expectations).
I did laugh at them recreating his study on the holodeck just so they could keep using the set.
I am enjoying this show, but must admit I find this vision of the future odd because everyone brandishes guns.
Odd episode this was just browsing along at a restful pace, and then it suddenly bursts into life at the endI did laugh at them recreating his study on the holodeck just so they could keep using the set.
I laughed, but not at that - when he froze the program, the birds stopped outside, but inside the fire was still burning
I've been watching TNG and something just seems odd about Picard's personality in this show and I can't seem to put my finger on it...
Is that what Dahj/Soji is destined/dreaded to become?
I will probably keep watching it but I find this series overly emotional and dramatic. I stopped watching Discovery for the same reason (even Spock was overly emotional).
Seven keeps aging like a fine wine...
So far the women are far cooler than then men, including Picard.
I kinda like the holographic dissociative identity disorder guy.
I don't think that's meant to be one guy - these are actually multiple holographic avatars in the image of the Captain, Rios.
Quote from: QuantumG on 02/25/2020 10:11 pmI kinda like the holographic dissociative identity disorder guy.I don't think that's meant to be one guy - these are actually multiple holographic avatars in the image of the Captain, Rios.
I’m confused by the last episode scene where the Vulcan Commodore Oh mind melds with Dr. Agnes Jurati.Dr Agnes thought that synthetic life was good...But then after one mind meld with a Vulcan, Dr Agnes simply believes all synthetic life is now bad...
I’m confused by the last episode scene where the Vulcan Commodore Oh mind melds with Dr. Agnes Jurati.
a self-harming post-traumatic fanatic
Disagree with @QuantumG on that character thumbnail for Agnes. Traumatic brainwashed and suicidal seems more appropriate. She might be a fanatic but didn't show any indication of it prior to the mind meld.
This begs the question of whether the eventual Emergency Engineering Hologram will have a Scottish accent. :-)
Season 3 teaser trailer:
I think one of the bigger problems of S2 were that it was released weekly and not in one batch. The show was heavily serialized, without any time passing between episodes. And having to wait a whole week broke the flow of the episodes.
Quote from: zack on 07/25/2022 08:52 amI think one of the bigger problems of S2 were that it was released weekly and not in one batch. The show was heavily serialized, without any time passing between episodes. And having to wait a whole week broke the flow of the episodes.I’m doubtful it would make a difference. I watched season 2 when all episodes were out, so it was effectively a batch release for me, and it was just tedious to go through. It was just padded into waaaay too much screen time.
