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Offline AndrewM

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I would think if Europa Clipper continues to target October 10th, this mission will slip to after Europa Clipper. NASA had previously stated they have a 48-hour data review requirement ahead of their missions so unless that has changed, SpaceX would not be able to launch OneWeb 20 on the 9th.

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According to https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_spt.jsp the launch has slipped all the way to NET October 9 - looks like the discussion is to let some Starlinks fly first:

SPACEX ONEWEB, VANDENBERG SFB,CA
PRIMARY:   10/09    0644Z-0723Z
BACKUP:      10/10   0639Z-0718Z
      10/11   0634Z-0713Z
      10/12   0629Z-0708Z
      10/13   0624Z-0703Z
      10/14   0619Z-0658Z


OneWeb is now gone and Starlink Group 11-2 has been added for Vandy.

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The latest Vandy Launch Alert email confirms what we already know:

Quote from: VSFB
The SpaceX Falcon 9 launch of the OneWeb Launch 20 mission scheduled to launch from the Vandenberg SFB Spaceport has been postponed until further notice.

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Just to make sure it's really NET October 9:

B0798/24 NOTAMR B0795/24
Q) MMFR/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/
A) MMFR
B) 2410090603
C) 2410150613
D) 09 0603-0643, 10 0559-0638, 11 0553-0633, 12 0548-0628,
   13 0543-0623,14 0539-0618, 15 0534-0613
E) DANGEROUS AREA FOR REENTRY OF ROCKET ONEWEB-4
   LATERAL LIMIT AREA FORMED BY THE UNION OF THE FLW POINTS:
   30 51N 120 38W
   30 56N 120 28W
   30 25N 120 27W
   30 23N 120 11W
   30 05N 120 06W
   30 34N 120 38W
   30 51N 120 38W
   MMFR
F) SFC
G) UNL


A3146/24 NOTAMN
Q) FAJO/QWMLW/IV/BO/W/000/999/5049S02328E580
A) FAJO B) 2410090814 C) 2410150818
D) 09 OCT 0814-0848, 10 OCT 0810-0843, 11 OCT 0804-0838, 12 OCT
0759-0833, 13 OCT 0754-0828, 14 OCT 0750-0823, 15 OCT 0745-0818
E) AREA BOUNDED BY (4251S 02515E, 4243S 02234E, 5948S 02010E, 5956S
02405E):  SPACEX ONEWEB-4 STAGE 2 ROCKET RE-ENTRY OPS TAKING PLACE.
APPLICABLE AIRSPACE DOWNGRADED TO CLASS G.
F) SFC G) UNL
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This launch cannot take place within the 48 hours before the scheduled launch of Europa Clipper, so unless Europa Clipper delays from its current date, the current launchdate for this mission will not hold:

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ESA continues Hera launch preparations amid Falcon 9 grounding
October 2, 2024

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The launch period for Hera runs through Oct. 27, with daily instantaneous launch windows. Carnelli said NASA has requested a 48-hour standdown ahead of the launch of Europa Clipper on a Falcon Heavy at the Kennedy Space Center, currently scheduled for Oct. 10.

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This launch cannot take place within the 48 hours before the scheduled launch of Europa Clipper, so unless Europa Clipper delays from its current date, the current launchdate for this mission will not hold:

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ESA continues Hera launch preparations amid Falcon 9 grounding
October 2, 2024

[...]

The launch period for Hera runs through Oct. 27, with daily instantaneous launch windows. Carnelli said NASA has requested a 48-hour standdown ahead of the launch of Europa Clipper on a Falcon Heavy at the Kennedy Space Center, currently scheduled for Oct. 10.

[...]
This rule is insanely stupid. Deferring a Vandy commercial launch has no possible effect on Europa Clipper.

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Isn't that just for launches at the cape?

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This launch cannot take place within the 48 hours before the scheduled launch of Europa Clipper, so unless Europa Clipper delays from its current date, the current launchdate for this mission will not hold:

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ESA continues Hera launch preparations amid Falcon 9 grounding
October 2, 2024

[...]

The launch period for Hera runs through Oct. 27, with daily instantaneous launch windows. Carnelli said NASA has requested a 48-hour standdown ahead of the launch of Europa Clipper on a Falcon Heavy at the Kennedy Space Center, currently scheduled for Oct. 10.

[...]
This rule is insanely stupid. Deferring a Vandy commercial launch has no possible effect on Europa Clipper.

It's like an ostrich putting its head in the sand, is it not?

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If I recall correctly, NASA LSP launches and all USA-based crewed launches (not commercial cargo to ISS) require ~48 hours spacing between launches using the same model (ex. Falcon 9/Falcon Heavy) to allow post-flight launch vehicle performance analysis.

So, no Falcon 9 launches within 48 hours before Falcon Heavy/Europa Clipper.

See the Starlink 6-22 launch with respect to Psyche last year.

Seeking correction or clarification.



This launch may be the first Vandenberg Falcon 9 launch after Europa Clipper, so as to provide good customer service to an external customer, as opposed to Starlink?

NET 11 October 05:53 to 06:33 UTC?

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« Last Edit: 10/05/2024 02:11 pm by zubenelgenubi »
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How flexible is SpaceX with respect to schedule changes?

Speculation: IF Europa Clipper is postponed soon, until after future-hurricane Milton🌀 blows through central Florida circa October 10, THEN why not perform the OneWeb launch ASAP, and minimum 48 hours before the rescheduled Europa Clipper launch?  SpaceX, OneWeb, and Space Force are all ready to go, yes?
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How flexible is SpaceX with respect to schedule changes?

Speculation: IF Europa Clipper is postponed soon, until after future-hurricane Milton🌀 blows through central Florida circa October 10, THEN why not perform the OneWeb launch ASAP, and minimum 48 hours before the rescheduled Europa Clipper launch?  SpaceX, OneWeb, and Space Force are all ready to go, yes?

The NGA notices were canceled on September 30. New notices would have to be issued (not a big deal, but a necessary item).

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=61410.msg2629002#msg2629002

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How flexible is SpaceX with respect to schedule changes?

Speculation: IF Europa Clipper is postponed soon, until after future-hurricane Milton blows through central Florida circa October 10, THEN why not perform the OneWeb launch ASAP, and minimum 48 hours before the rescheduled Europa Clipper launch?  SpaceX, OneWeb, and Space Force are all ready to go, yes?


Falcon 9 has been cleared for flight for this mission only:
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From the FAA: "The SpaceX Falcon 9 vehicle is authorized to return to flight only for the planned Hera mission scheduled to launch on Oct. 7 from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida. The FAA has determined that the absence of a second stage reentry for this mission adequately mitigates the primary risk to the public in the event of a reoccurrence of the mishap experienced with the Crew-9 mission.
Safety will drive the timeline for the FAA to complete its review of SpaceX’s Crew-9 mishap investigation report and when the agency will authorize Falcon 9 to return to regular operations."

Because the FAA has not given SpaceX clearance to dispose of a second stage?
« Last Edit: 10/07/2024 06:17 pm by Comga »
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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How easy would it be for SpaceX to change their flight plan to send all 2nd stages to a disposal orbit until the FAA clears them?

Is that even feasible?

I could see Elon making such a public request just to throw shade at the FAA (not that it's a good thing to do, but that never stopped him)

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SFN Launch Schedule, updated October 6:
TBD, but it is the only Vandenberg Falcon 9 launch currently listed by this source during the post-September 28 stand-down.
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SFN Launch Schedule, updated October 6:
TBD, but it is the only Vandenberg Falcon 9 launch currently listed by this source during the post-September 28 stand-down.

There are no active NGA notices for any launches from Vandy.

The only active NGA notices for US space activities are the Europa Clipper launch and the Crew-8 splashdown.

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Starlink 9-7 launched October 15, as the Vandenberg return-to-flight after the September 28 second stage de-orbit over-burn.

SFN Launch Schedule, updated October 14:
(Still) TBD

Next?
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Rescheduled for October 20th NET 05:09 UTC:

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B0863/24 NOTAMN
Q) MMFR/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/
A) MMFR
B) 2410200509
C) 2410260524
D) 20 0509-0548, 21 0504-0543, 22 0453-0543, 23 0448-0539, 24 0444-0534,
   25 0439-0529, 26 0434-0524
E) DANGEROUS AREA FOR REENTRY OF ROCKET ONEWEB-4
   LATERAL LIMIT AREA FORMED BY THE UNION OF THE FLW POINTS:
   30 51N 120 38W
   30 56N 120 28W
   30 25N 120 27W
   30 23N 120 11W
   30 05N 120 06W
   30 34N 120 38W
   30 51N 120 38W
   MMFR
F) SFC
G) UNL
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NGA Space Debris notice that is effectively a Rocket Launching notice.

Quote from: NGA
151956Z OCT 24
NAVAREA XII 824/24(18).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS:
   A. 200509Z TO 200548Z, 210504Z TO 210543Z,
      220453Z TO 220543Z, 230448Z TO 230539Z,
      240444Z TO 240534Z, 250439Z TO 250529Z
      AND 260434Z TO 260524Z OCT
      IN AREA BOUND BY
      30-25.00N 120-27.00W, 30-23.00N 120-11.00W,
      30-02.00N 120-06.00W, 29-44.00N 120-29.00W,
      29-54.00N 120-51.00W, 30-17.00N 120-48.00W,
      30-22.00N 120-38.00W.
   B. 200509Z TO 200542Z, 210504Z TO 210537Z,
       220453Z TO 220537Z, 230448Z TO 230533Z,
      240444Z TO 240528Z, 250439Z TO 250523Z
      AND 260434Z TO 260518Z OCT 2024
      IN AREA BOUND BY               
      31-26.00N 120-37.00W, 31-29.00N 120-29.00W,
      30-25.00N 120-27.00W, 30-22.00N 120-38.00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 260624Z OCT 24.

NGA Space Debris notice.

Quote from: NGA
151934Z OCT 24
HYDROPAC 3261/24(29,61).
SOUTHWESTERN INDIAN OCEAN.
DNC 01, DNC 02.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   200720Z TO 200814Z, 210715Z TO 210809Z,
   220704Z TO 220809Z, 230659Z TO 230805Z,
   240655Z TO 240800Z, 250650Z TO 250755Z
   AND 260645Z TO 260750Z OCT
   IN AREA BOUND BY
   37-44.00S 025-29.00E, 37-36.00S 023-00.00E,
   59-52.00S 020-09.00E, 60-00.00S 024-05.00E.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 260850Z OCT 24.

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https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_spt.jsp:

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SPACEX ONE WEB 4, VANDENBERG SFB, CA
PRIMARY:   10/20/24   0509Z-0548Z
 BACKUP:      10/21/24   0504Z-0543Z

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https://twitter.com/eutelsatgroup/status/1847468576220868623

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We are set to launch 20 LEO OneWeb satellites with @SpaceX no earlier than Saturday 19 October, from Vandenberg Space Force Base in California.

Keep an eye on our social channels for further updates on launch!

#OneWebLaunch20 🚀

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