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After months of no news, Space One now came out with a launch date AND time for their rocket's first launch (window is 02:00 - 03:00 UTC, March 9): https://www.space-one.co.jp/news/news_20240126.pdf

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Looks like they are also finally starting to build up some social media presence - see https://wakayama-rocket.com for details.
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Payload is indeed (as speculated earlier in the other thread) a prototype "quick response" satellite for the Japanese government Cabinet Satellite Intelligence Center, who also operates the IGS series: https://www.cas.go.jp/jp/houdou/pdf/241026sate.pdf
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Is the satellite name 短期打上型小衛星 (Tenshi Uchiage Gata Shou Eisei, Short-Term Launch Type Small Satellite)?
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Is the satellite name 短期打上型小衛星 (Tenshi Uchiage Gata Shou Eisei, Short-Term Launch Type Small Satellite)?

Short-range launch type microsatellite  Via (Jarvis AI)

Short-term launch of small satellites  (Bing)

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The Chinese phrase 短期打上型小衛星 (qiánqiān dǎ shàng xíng xiǎo wèixìng) literally translates to "short-term launch type small satellite." In English, this phrase could be translated as "quick-launch small satellite."

The Chinese phrase 短期 (qiánqiān) means "short-term," 打上 (dǎ shàng) means "to launch," 型 (xíng) means "type," 小 (xiǎo) means "small," and 衛星 (wèixìng) means "satellite."

This phrase is often used to refer to small satellites that are designed to be launched quickly and inexpensively. These satellites are often used for research or educational purposes.
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Launch track appears to be heading towards SSO:
https://twitter.com/ots_min/status/1753269872304496734
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Live stream will be here:
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Launch window has been refined to 02:01 - 02:17 UTC on March 9th. Weather forecasts are still GO as of today.
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Launch window has been further refined to 02:01:12 - 02:17:12 UTC.
Weather still showing no concerns for launch tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/nvslive/status/1765929106619912409
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https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1766216030634799552

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Space One's maiden flight - Japan’s first private-sector orbital launch - is set to occur within a one-hour window on Saturday, March 9 at 11:01 AM JST (02:01 UTC) from the Space One launch pad.

Martin Smith with the details:

LINK to NSF ARTICLE:  https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2024/03/space-one-kairos/
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LINK to NSF ARTICLE:  https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2024/03/space-one-kairos/
Good overview, but I'm not sure about the following sentence:  "The solid rocket motors are made by IHI Aerospace, an investor in Space One, and have been used previously on the Epsilon rocket developed by IHI and the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA)."

Epsilon and Enhanced Epsilon solid motors are 1.45 to 2.5 meters in diameter as I understand things.  Kairos is 1.35 meters diameter.

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https://twitter.com/nvslive/status/1766218394477715493

Official reports still GO as of 21:40 UTC; next polling point at 00:30 UTC.
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Payload is indeed (as speculated earlier in the other thread) a prototype "quick response" satellite for the Japanese government Cabinet Satellite Intelligence Center, who also operates the IGS series: https://www.cas.go.jp/jp/houdou/pdf/241026sate.pdf

Any guess who built the payload?  MELCO like the IGS sats?
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Payload is indeed (as speculated earlier in the other thread) a prototype "quick response" satellite for the Japanese government Cabinet Satellite Intelligence Center, who also operates the IGS series: https://www.cas.go.jp/jp/houdou/pdf/241026sate.pdf

Any guess who built the payload?  MELCO like the IGS sats?

No official confirmation, but I remember seeing someone pointed out that the spacecraft bus looks like Canon Electronics's CE-SAT-1 series. The mass certainly fits with the payload capability of KAIROS to SSO, and of course Canon is one of Space One's main investors (in addition to roles like building the LV's avionics).

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Payload is indeed (as speculated earlier in the other thread) a prototype "quick response" satellite for the Japanese government Cabinet Satellite Intelligence Center, who also operates the IGS series: https://www.cas.go.jp/jp/houdou/pdf/241026sate.pdf

Any guess who built the payload?  MELCO like the IGS sats?

According to a document summarizing the contract for the “short-term launch small satellite system,”
Satellite system is AES Corporation
http://www.aes.co.jp/
The ground system is Skyperfect JSAT.

https://orbitseals.blogspot.com/2020/08/1japan-csice-satellite-rocket.html

"Short-term launch small satellite system" is also mentioned in the Cabinet Office Space Policy Committee materials, and before the official announcement, Grid estimated on OSINT that it would be launched on KAIROS LV.

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The launch sequence is shown below.
This is information from NVS, an organization of space enthusiasts who went to the site as a member of the press.
Stage1 motor burn time: 90s
Stage2 motor burn time: 70s
Stage3 motor burn time: 60s
Stage1/2 Sep:T+130s
Stage2/3 Sep:T+280s
Stage3/4 Sep:T+480s
Satellite Sep:T+3100s

https://twitter.com/nvslive/status/1763625831140831594?s=20


Based on this information and assuming that motor combustion starts immediately after separation, the sequence is as follows.
T+000s:Liftoff
T+090s:Stage1 motor burnout
T+130s:Stage1/2 Sep
T+200s:Stage2 motor burnout
T+280s:Stage2/3 Sep
T+340s:Stage3 motor burnout
T+480s:Stage3/4 Sep
T+3100s:Satellite Sep

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Payload is indeed (as speculated earlier in the other thread) a prototype "quick response" satellite for the Japanese government Cabinet Satellite Intelligence Center, who also operates the IGS series: https://www.cas.go.jp/jp/houdou/pdf/241026sate.pdf

Any guess who built the payload?  MELCO like the IGS sats?

According to a document summarizing the contract for the “short-term launch small satellite system,”
Satellite system is AES Corporation
http://www.aes.co.jp/
The ground system is Skyperfect JSAT.

https://orbitseals.blogspot.com/2020/08/1japan-csice-satellite-rocket.html

"Short-term launch small satellite system" is also mentioned in the Cabinet Office Space Policy Committee materials, and before the official announcement, Grid estimated on OSINT that it would be launched on KAIROS LV.



Interesting. AES's only previous satellite was the 50 kg SOCRATES launched for the Kashima lab.
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Clock is back. New launch time of 02:17:12 UTC.
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What's not clear to me if these were hang-fires or just the commentators and onscreen clock not being informed about holds in the countdown. But looks like it's a scrub for the day based on the people leaving the area.
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Although the official broadcast was disappointing, there was excellent aerial footage of the launch preparations and re-rollback operations by the TV station.

MBS News Live Coverage

Raising the MST satellite floor and evacuation from the MST launch pad

(The official broadcast is a travel promotion measure by local governments suffering from depopulation and does not seem to be aimed at space exploration fans.)

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KAIROS LV rollback operation
MST moving to the launch pad.
The TV station's aerial pilot did a very good job!

(It would be scary to think if this TV station had no aerial footage and only official broadcasts that were noisy and lacked information.)

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This is more or less the official scrub tweet from IHI Aerospace:

https://twitter.com/IHI_ad/status/1766287855972991484
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Bing translation.

"The launch of the KAIROS rocket has been rescheduled. Details will be announced as soon as they are known. — IHI Corporation"
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https://twitter.com/asahi_tenmon/status/1766329317037085086

Confirmed that launch was delayed due to possible ship violation of the range (not confirmed apparently - was seen on radar).
Next attempt is NET March 13.
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Reports suggest the range violation was a ship which could not be turned around in time to exit before the launch window closed, so they gave up.

Apparently all 2500 local resident and 2500 non-resident launch viewing tickets were given out, so a fair crowd showed up. The official broadcast unfortunately had the cheese factor of a typical rural local event production, replete with getting the kids to shout slogans of encouragement and rolling out yet another mascot character.

For good or ill, the fact that there was reduced PR factors in the broadcast meant no launch loop audio or control room video. Even the pseudo-countdown audio was weak TTS count audio.

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Payload is indeed (as speculated earlier in the other thread) a prototype "quick response" satellite for the Japanese government Cabinet Satellite Intelligence Center, who also operates the IGS series: https://www.cas.go.jp/jp/houdou/pdf/241026sate.pdf

Any guess who built the payload?  MELCO like the IGS sats?

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Satellite system is AES Corporation
http://www.aes.co.jp/
The ground system is Skyperfect JSAT.

https://orbitseals.blogspot.com/2020/08/1japan-csice-satellite-rocket.html

"Short-term launch small satellite system" is also mentioned in the Cabinet Office Space Policy Committee materials, and before the official announcement, Grid estimated on OSINT that it would be launched on KAIROS LV.



Interesting. AES's only previous satellite was the 50 kg SOCRATES launched for the Kashima lab.

There was a poor quality rumor that MHI was involved in the sat somehow, and was the reason that sat itself wasn't of Canon Electronics origin.

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Official confirmation that next attempt will be on March 13: https://twitter.com/ihi_ad/status/1767103588067889631
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Official confirmation that next attempt will be on March 13: https://twitter.com/ihi_ad/status/1767103588067889631

Supposedly the launch window extends through the end of march if they don't launch on the 13th, so I guess that's regarding scheduling NOTAMS, etc. Official broadcast by the same local Wakayama TV station again it seems.

Though from a PR perspective, if they have that much leeway in the launch window, why not push it back to the weekend? They had such a good local turnout, seems a shame to not have that again.

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Still on in just over 2 hours' time: https://twitter.com/nvslive/status/1767675348404289902

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Official stream has begun.
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Sequence of events.
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Launch gantry has started retraction.

From this stream, they have a helicopter:
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View of launch vehicle. People are still there.
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The launch tower is being retracted.
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X-20 minutes.

The launch tower has fully retracted.
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Cars are leaving

Edit: Cars have all left now.
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Some crowd views watching the launch:
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Good view of the site nestled in the hills.

Credit MBS News.
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X-10 minutes.

Credit MBS News.
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A lot of news channels seem to have helicopters in the air, these are all different views:







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Apparently https://www.kyc.co.jp/en/company/index.html 'KYC Machine Industry Co., Ltd.'
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Burning stages:
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Smoke cloud.
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Looks like it landed just south of the pad, there's an active fire there

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First two frames of explosion:
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Pad itself appears undamaged.
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First two frames of explosion:

Was that at the interstage?

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That was one fast unscheduled disintegration!

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Explosion was from centre of vehicle.

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Small fire close to pad.

Flame suppression in progress.
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First two frames of explosion:

Was that at the interstage?

Yeah, the explosion seems to have originated from the interstage between 1st and the 2nd stage

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Quite a spectacular explosion.

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First two frames of explosion:

Was that at the interstage?

Yeah, the explosion seems to have originated from the interstage between 1st and the 2nd stage

Yeah :(

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NVS view. A large burning chunk heading back to Earth.
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Something very carbonaceous is burning (looks like diesel fuel or rubber?)
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From nine minutes ago. A large fire near the pad.

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Black smoke fire is close to infrastructure.
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Well, that was fast!

If it appeared to originate near the S1/S2 interstage, my money is on failure of the forward dome of the stage 1 solid motor, "popping the case" so to speak. Solids having a bit of trouble nowadays, it seems.

Also, that helicopter in the photo was remarkable close.
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People are back at the launch pad already?!?
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People are back at the launch pad already?!?

That was fast...

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For those interested, this stream had by far the best (most zoomed/highest framerate) view of the launch and the following fall of pieces of the rocket:



Edit: Here's a link from the same channel with some of the footage:

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Yeah, that's not the kind of failure you want to see. Going to be hard to come back from that.

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Pad crew approaching nearby debris.

Infrastructure damage near pad.
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If it appeared to originate near the S1/S2 interstage, my money is on failure of the forward dome of the stage 1 solid motor, "popping the case" so to speak. Solids having a bit of trouble nowadays, it seems.

The AFTS accidentally triggering might also be a cause.
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A zoom of some pieces of wreckage sitting in a shallow pond:
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Higher resolution views of nearby debris and damage.

Third image: yeah, that looks close.
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All fires appear adequately suppressed or totally out.
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Rough location of the explosion in the launcher


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Note to self: when taking video of an exploding rocket, don't track the big white smoke cloud; track one or more energetic ejected fragments. Or zoom out wide.

Edit to add my impressions of the launch.
 * Lift-off acceleration was rapid, maybe even for a solid rocket.
 * Pitch over was quick and looked well controlled.
 * At the time of the RUD, the vehicle was ~1/2 the distance to the shoreline.
 * No debris was visible within the fence closest to the pad.
 * Debris (likely fairing, maybe upper stage fragments) fell on nearby infrastructure outside the pad proper.
 * No or almost no debris reached the ocean.
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If it appeared to originate near the S1/S2 interstage, my money is on failure of the forward dome of the stage 1 solid motor, "popping the case" so to speak. Solids having a bit of trouble nowadays, it seems.

The AFTS accidentally triggering might also be a cause.

AFTS may have been right though. It looked good, had steady flight, no roll, defined pitchover to clear land, but maybe something internal wasn't happy, such as case pressure or internal fire.

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We have our first failed launch of 2024 after 47 successful flights. ❌😔

Updated orbital launch count as of Mar. 12 (Mar. 13 UTC):

Earth 🌎 — 47/48

USA 🇺🇸 — 28/28
China 🇨🇳 — 10/10
Russia 🇷🇺 — 3/3
Japan 🇯🇵 — 2/3
Iran 🇮🇷 — 2/2
India 🇮🇳 — 2/2

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Orbital launches by organization:

🇺🇸 — 24 SpaceX, 3 Rocket Lab, 1 ULA
🇨🇳 — 6 CASC, 2 CASIC, 1 OrienSpace, 1 CAS Space
🇷🇺 — 3 RKK Energiya
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🇨🇳 — 3 Jiuquan, 3 Xichang, 2 offshore, 2 Wenchang
🇳🇿 — 3 Māhia
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🇮🇷 — 1 Shahrud MTS, 1 Semnan
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Satellite got thrown out intact after the LV disintegrated:

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t looks to me as if the majority of the launch vehicle ended up west of the pad, but it was supposed to head south. It's plausible this was an automatic flight termination.

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But I think it's more likely the forward bulkhead in the first stage just burst and the first stage booster venting exhaust from both ends didn't fall straight down.
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Looks like the forward dome of the first stage either failed or was blown, much the way an FTS would trigger, allowing pressure to escape from both ends of the first stage solid fuel barrel section and preventing continuing thrust.
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I'm fairly confident he said, "We will analyze the available data and after thorough review determine a root cause."

No, I don't understand even a single word of Japanese. I got all that from tone of voice.
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I'm fairly confident he said, "We will analyze the available data and after thorough review determine a root cause."

No, I don't understand even a single word of Japanese. I got all that from tone of voice.

If a transcript is generated I can Translate it.
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Rough translation of the beginning

All debris fell within the spaceport property and fires have been extinguished, with no injuries.

At +5 sec, the flight was determined to be impossible to succeed (unclear if this is ATFS or human intervention)




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Rough translation of the beginning

All debris fell within the spaceport property and fires have been extinguished, with no injuries.

At +5 sec, the flight was determined to be impossible to succeed (unclear if this is ATFS or human intervention)

continuing with rough translation/paraphrasing


ATFS did fire (not external command), not clear if all ATFS charges fired.

Currently collecting/analyzing data, have not confirmed ATFS fire reason, will not speculate.


Sorry, but the sat is busted (asked if sat is okay)


will be talking with customers of future #2 and #3 rocket after failure investigation

will be doing more thorough pad check for damage but currently okay, also need to check spaceport property


no go fever to launch #2 within this year, will work through failure investigation and work through fixes


probably only went 50-100m high


safety zone made to allow safe debris fall, that's why debris fell on spaceport property and not private land


still planning to do 20 launches a year, still planning to do 30 launches a year in 2030


firefighting done with water, no special foams necessary for solid propellant used


professor does light general explanation of launch failures (first few launches are hard, industry has several failures a year) and speed of failure investigations


Space One won't use the word "Failure" as an internal business culture reason, only if the mission is completed or how many mission steps have been completed (Note previous discussion says they cleared mission 4 step 1, liftoff and didn't get to step 2)


business loss figures will not be released at this time


at this time previous scrub does not appear to have any bearing on this launch failure


after failure report and explaining to customer, still planning to launch #2


ATFS for a solid rocket uses charges to break case to stop thrust
each stage has an ATFS charge


Getting a little testy with the reporters, telling them to look that question up in a basic rocketry education text.


Regarding failure investigation flow , telemetry data analysis, determine facts from data, confirm facts


No timeline for failure investigation yet


Pitchover at +2 sec was planned? (not sure of the japanese wording here)


All previous SRM tests on land were successful (all stages tested)


small rockets are for small payloads, so they don't have to be rideshares (can pick their orbits)


Looking at Rocket Lab's failures and their speed of recovery/failure investigation for comparison, have a lot of work ahead.

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A good compilation of different viewpoints:


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Thank you so much for the transcription, very much appreciated!

Space One won't use the word "Failure" as an internal business culture reason, only if the mission is completed or how many mission steps have been completed (Note previous discussion says they cleared mission 4 step 1, liftoff and didn't get to step 2)

Another successful failure  ::) Certainly applying the "failure is not an option" saying with a particular interpretation: if you don't say it, it is certainly not an option in the book. Everything will contain a measure of success.
At any rate, they also unambiguously succeeded in separating the payload as mentioned upthread, should have added that to the step tally so that the culture doesn't suffer.
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If it appeared to originate near the S1/S2 interstage, my money is on failure of the forward dome of the stage 1 solid motor, "popping the case" so to speak. Solids having a bit of trouble nowadays, it seems.

The AFTS accidentally triggering might also be a cause.
We now know that the AFTS did trigger.  It appears to me that the rocket was flying under control up until the moment AFTS fired.  There may have been a hidden internal failure that triggered the destruct, but I agree that an accidental firing is right up there on the list of possibilities for this one.

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I'm fairly confident he said, "We will analyze the available data and after thorough review determine a root cause."

No, I don't understand even a single word of Japanese. I got all that from tone of voice.

If a transcript is generated I can Translate it.

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We now know that the AFTS did trigger.  It appears to me that the rocket was flying under control up until the moment AFTS fired.  There may have been a hidden internal failure that triggered the destruct, but I agree that an accidental firing is right up there on the list of possibilities for this one.

What I'm not clear about is whether the AFTS triggered because of a vehicle failure, e.g., the forward dome failing, or if the AFTS triggered accidentally.
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NHK published a news video of the event including a few comments from the press conference.  Start watching at 1:00 into the following video

https://youtube.com/watch?v=v7-MmmNEfok
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We now know that the AFTS did trigger.  It appears to me that the rocket was flying under control up until the moment AFTS fired.  There may have been a hidden internal failure that triggered the destruct, but I agree that an accidental firing is right up there on the list of possibilities for this one.

What I'm not clear about is whether the AFTS triggered because of a vehicle failure, e.g., the forward dome failing, or if the AFTS triggered accidentally.

AFTS needs to trigger on either vehicle health or trajectory, so accidental would come from bad vehicle sensors. If it was a valid activation, then there was an internal problem not visible on the videos, or something the AFTS didn't like with the pitchover.

The pitchover looked clean though, so I am disinclined to believed it was a trajectory issue. At this early in the flight, the case/dome blowing would be unlikely, so the dome blow was likely the ATFS charge itself, there probably wasn't enough time for a case burn-thru unless there was truly catastrophic grain failure. A catastrophic grain failure increasing case pressure beyond limits may be possible, but that would imply an even faster burn than expected (and I don't think I see propellant chunks in the exhaust).

To me, bad sensor data or some other internal issue set off the AFTS. Unless it was a bug within the AFTS itself. It wasn't mentioned if the AFTS was a bought component or self-made, and/or supplied by the avionics maker.

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Rumor mill seems to suggest the AFTS was somewhat of JAXA origin that was originally intended for H-3, but for assorted reasons was not installed on H-3. Which seems to suggest this AFTS' first flight was this one. Unclear if it ever flew in shadow mode on H-3 or any other rocket and also something about it being an updated version on newer hardware compared to the "original"?

I remember METI/JAXA were talking about having an AFTS system of domestic origin was critical to support the nascent japanese newspace industry via launch cost reduction, due to ITAR preventing acquiring one from the US. Does that mean METI was effectively forcing Space One to use a JAXA designed AFTS? Rocket Labs was in a similar situation with a NASA approved AFTS to fly from Wallops delaying them right?

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https://twitter.com/nvslive/status/1827580003816763833

According to Space One CEO Mamoru Endo at a public event today:

* The AFTS was activated after sensing that the first stage motor's fuel burning rate is lower than modeled, and thus the rocket was under-thrust and under-speed than original predictions.

* The AFTS' parameters were "conservatively set" on its first flight and thus the self-destruct command was issued.

https://twitter.com/nvslive/status/1827580105939677634

He also claims they are aiming for December 2024 for flight 2.

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