Circa 1916-1917 SPAD VII and SPAD XIII were armed with Le Prieur rockets to shoot down German artillery balloons from a distance (since the balloons were protected by heavy flak)
An interesting, comprehensive and informative piece. However, there are some very minor points that I would argue with. I suppose it depends on which source one consults.For example, in a piece I wrote many moons ago for a UK publication I recorded that the first use of rockets in warfare was 85 AD in a battle between the Chinese and Tartars. It's also worth noting that in more modern times by the time of WW1, the French had taken development to the point where they were able to use them as ground to air missiles against observation balloons. Further, this did not stop the British claiming first use of the rocket in WW2.
Quote from: deaville on 12/07/2016 06:27 amAn interesting, comprehensive and informative piece. However, there are some very minor points that I would argue with. I suppose it depends on which source one consults.For example, in a piece I wrote many moons ago for a UK publication I recorded that the first use of rockets in warfare was 85 AD in a battle between the Chinese and Tartars. It's also worth noting that in more modern times by the time of WW1, the French had taken development to the point where they were able to use them as ground to air missiles against observation balloons. Further, this did not stop the British claiming first use of the rocket in WW2.Amongst the sources I used was this page from the NASA Glenn Research Center, which specifically mentions 1232 as the first date when true rockets were used in battle and 1045 being when they were first referenced historically: https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/TRC/Rockets/history_of_rockets.html. Interestingly NASA (and multiple other reputable sites) are contradicted by Space.com (http://www.space.com/29295-rocket-history.html), which gives the 1st century AD as the time rockets first appeared. Of the two dates, I find the later date far more believable. Why? It meshes better with other aspects of rocket-related history, like fireworks. Why, if rockets were invented in the 1st century AD not long after gunpowder, did it take a further 6 centuries to produce fireworks? Fireworks work on the same principles of physics, so this should have been a fairly easy jump. The rockets the Chinese did create by 1045 were reported to have evolved from "fire arrows", which in turn were not around prior to the 10th century. While it's certainly possible rockets were invented almost immediately after gunpowder, later events do not mesh particularly well with this ordering of history.
Just when the first true rockets appeared is unclear. Stories of early rocket like devices appear sporadically through the historical records of various cultures. Perhaps the first true rockets were accidents. In the first century A.D., the Chinese reportedly had a simple form of gunpowder made from saltpeter, sulfur, and charcoal dust. To create explosions during religous festivals, they filled bamboo tubes with a mixture and tossed them into fires. Perhaps some of those tubes failed to explode and instead skittered out of the fires, propelled by the gases and sparks produced by the burning gunpowder.
deaville: "... in a piece I wrote many moons ago for a UK publication I recorded that the first use of rockets in warfare was 85 AD in a battle between the Chinese and Tartars." Since this directly contradicts other statements made in this thread, it would be useful to know more about it. What was your source of information? Is the word 'rocket' being used in the source for what we would call a rocket today? How do we reconcile this with the various other statements about rockets appearing in the period around 1000?
In another western book, dealing with the invention of gunpowder (Robert Norton's The Gunner), we find the following quotation: QuoteUffano reported that the invention and use as well of ordnance as of gunpowder took place in the year 85 of our Lord, and was known and practiced in the great and ingenious kingdom of China. In the Maraty province thereof, there yet remain certain pieces of ordnance both of iron and brasse with the memory of the year of founding ingraved on them and the arms of King Vitey, who was said to have been the inventor. And it also ap pears in ancient and credible histories, that the said King Vitey was an enchanter, and being vexed with cruel wars by the Tartarians, conjured an evil spirit, that he might show him the use and making of guns and powder, which he put into practice in the realm of Pegu, and in the conquest of East-India, and thereby quieted the Tartars. The same being confirmed by certain Portuguese, that have travelled and navigated those quarters, and also affirmed by a letter sent from Captain Artrad written to the King of Spain, wherein are recounted very diligently all the particulars of China, and said that they long since used both ordnance and powder. He affirms further, that he found ancient ill-shaped pieces but that those of later founding are of better fashion and metal than the ancient 5 were. Based on this report, Norton fixes the date for the invention of gunpowder in China as the year A.D. 85. The invention is thus attributed to an enchanter, and a miraculous story is connected with it. Iron and brass ordnance is said to have been con structed at the same time. But the whole statement lacks basis, and need not be further dealt with.
Uffano reported that the invention and use as well of ordnance as of gunpowder took place in the year 85 of our Lord, and was known and practiced in the great and ingenious kingdom of China. In the Maraty province thereof, there yet remain certain pieces of ordnance both of iron and brasse with the memory of the year of founding ingraved on them and the arms of King Vitey, who was said to have been the inventor. And it also ap pears in ancient and credible histories, that the said King Vitey was an enchanter, and being vexed with cruel wars by the Tartarians, conjured an evil spirit, that he might show him the use and making of guns and powder, which he put into practice in the realm of Pegu, and in the conquest of East-India, and thereby quieted the Tartars. The same being confirmed by certain Portuguese, that have travelled and navigated those quarters, and also affirmed by a letter sent from Captain Artrad written to the King of Spain, wherein are recounted very diligently all the particulars of China, and said that they long since used both ordnance and powder. He affirms further, that he found ancient ill-shaped pieces but that those of later founding are of better fashion and metal than the ancient 5 were.