These people willingly suffer cramped living space,
I guess the first thing I would like to tackle is the "need" part. Right now the ISS provides everything needed for people to conduct experiments in space.
But, as more people are needed to carry out more experiments, run machinery, or just be tourists, are they willing to make the same sacrifices? Do they have to? My argument is that they don't have to, and that providing better accommodation doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg.
Quote from: Roy_H on 02/17/2014 07:28 pm But, as more people are needed to carry out more experiments, run machinery, or just be tourists, are they willing to make the same sacrifices? Do they have to? My argument is that they don't have to, and that providing better accommodation doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg. Yes, they have to. Zero g is the whole reason the ISS exists. There is no need for a one g station at this time. There would be nothing for it to do.
Quote from: Roy_H on 02/17/2014 07:28 pmThese people willingly suffer cramped living space,That is not true
Quote from: Roy_H on 02/17/2014 07:28 pmI guess the first thing I would like to tackle is the "need" part. Right now the ISS provides everything needed for people to conduct experiments in space.And microgravity is what is needed for the experiments.
Quote from: Jim on 02/17/2014 09:28 pmQuote from: Roy_H on 02/17/2014 07:28 pm But, as more people are needed to carry out more experiments, run machinery, or just be tourists, are they willing to make the same sacrifices? Do they have to? My argument is that they don't have to, and that providing better accommodation doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg. Yes, they have to. Zero g is the whole reason the ISS exists. There is no need for a one g station at this time. There would be nothing for it to do.Not quite.There is a need for one g habitation separate with zero g work/experiment environment. Which is unrealistic at this time.
Ok, so I take it you agree with the remaining parts about health, exercise, and washroom.
Outer modules rotate about the center to simulate gravity.
Quote from: Jim on 02/17/2014 04:29 pmThe thread premise is wrong. There is no need for such a station in the near termI am very glad for your input. You are a true expert and as I understand actually work at NASA. Your opinions and posts are well respected here. I am just an interested party with no space or rocket training. I feel that if I could talk you into accepting this approach, then it would be something that NASA might actually entertain. I guess the first thing I would like to tackle is the "need" part. Right now the ISS provides everything needed for people to conduct experiments in space. It is filled with highly trained astronauts dedicated to pursuing NASA's objectives. These people willingly suffer cramped living space, awkward hygienics, limited food styles, rigorous exercise routines, and deteriorating body functions. My hat's off for their hard work and dedication. But, as more people are needed to carry out more experiments, run machinery, or just be tourists, are they willing to make the same sacrifices? Do they have to? My argument is that they don't have to, and that providing better accommodation doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg.
The thread premise is wrong. There is no need for such a station in the near term
This goes back to my last point. There is a non-rotating hub that provides microgravity environment for research and potentially manufacturing. Y
So I put preserving ISS for the future as high priority,
Quote from: Roy_H on 02/17/2014 11:25 pmThis goes back to my last point. There is a non-rotating hub that provides microgravity environment for research and potentially manufacturing. YMost of ISS racks are for experiments. You have the volumes reversed. Crew quarters would need the smaller of the volumes.
I just don't think it is needed at all.